Hi Guys,

Just wondering what the practical differences are between the 6.5 remington Magnum and the 260rem. I have a 260 rem and have found it to be a good, well balanced round, however was wondering if the 6.5rem mag is more of a good thing? I use it for hunting in Australia and was thinking about doing a rebarrel and opening the bolt face up. The 6.5 SAUM was also a consideration, but wonder if the old rem mag might be a better option. The rifle it would be going into is a short action Ruger. I am also leaning toward a 26 inch barrel as I like longer iron.

Has anyone got any experience with the 6.5 remington magnum as there is little information on what I suspect is a good cartridge.

Thanks

LowBC

I used to have the hot's for a 6.5 Rem Mag, glad I'm over it. There are just so many better options today. Personally I would look at the 6.5-284 instead. Lot's of info on that available.

I agree with ruffcutt, I like the 6.5 Rem Mag, but there's no reason to choose it over a 6.5-284 in my opinion.

You can go the Hodgdon site, look at the load data and compare the velocities using the same bullet weights between the 260 Rem vs the 6.5mm Rem Mag and go from there.

I personally wouldn`t opt out of the 260 Rem in favor of the 6.5mm Rem Mag.

Imo, any real gain which would justify a rifle modification and its price to do so, would have to have at the very least, a 250 fps across the board average increase........Otherwise, I wouldn`t change anything.

I have a 6.5 rem mag Douglas 26" barrel and a friend has a 6.5 rem mag Shilen 26" barrel and I reload for both. Either will shoot 140 gr bullets to 3100 fps and 130 gr bullets to 3200 fps. Whether that is enough of a step up from a 260, I don't know since I have never loaded for a 260.

The 6.5 rem mag is easy to load for and there are components and dies available.

The 6.5 Rem Mag is always put down because the flavor of the month right now happens to be the 6.5-.284. The Rem Mag holds about 5 more grains of powder than the 6.5-.284 which in my eyes makes it somewhat of an improved version of the .284. I own 2, a model 600 and a 700 and both are accurate as hell. Why settle for balony when there's venison steak to be had.

Sure there's a reason...factory loaded ammo is still available for the 6.5 RM, not so ever with the 6.5-284. That and you don't have to custom form brass.

6.5-284 brass is available,but when I rebarrel my 7mmSAUM it will become a 6.5 Rem Mag.I already have the brass and dies.The cartridge intrigues me and with the 130 Accubond should be murder on mulies and caribou.Monashee

Woods,

Given your experience, are you pushing the 6.5RM through a short action or long action?

That is a significant step up from the 260 with the velocities you are achieving. The best I can do safely with the 260rem is about 2950 with a 120 grain nosler BT.

Thanks LowBC

I haven`t seen 6.5 Rem mag ammo offered for a while but---

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=3&categoryId=18309&categoryString=653***690***

I won`t point ya to 6.5x284 brass though....

BTW Ken Waters states in the beginning of "A New Look At The 6.5 Remington Magnum" in "Pet Loads"



He ends the artical with the comment

Look at the numbers in Noslers latest manual,it's a fair step up.

LowBC,

If your 260 is shot out I'd more seriously consider the 6.5 RM than the 6.5-284 or the 6.5 RSAUM, personally.

The reason is that it'll most likely feed easier... or require less work... than the other two. In a CRF action the 6.5-284 with its rebated rim can be a bear.

If your 260 isn't shot out I'd stick with it and buy a new rifle. Maybe even just buy a short action and build the 6.5 Rem Mag?

I'm glad you brought this subject up because I'm thinking through a 6.5 build of some kind myself. I keep going between a 260 Rem, a 260 AAR (All Around Rifle) and a 6.5 RM. I've pretty much decided that it depends upon the action.

If I get a short action it'll be the first or last, if I go w/ an intermediate length Mauser action the middle or the last.

The 260 AAR is essentially 257 Ackley Improved necked to 6.5mm, or to say it another way a 6.5x57 Ackley Improved.

The 260 is, as you say, a fine round. FWIW, my two-cents says either shoot out that barrel and build yourself this 6.5 RM, or get another action upon which to build it.

Either way, keep this baby alive; objections concerning the 6.5-284 notwithstanding it is a very worthwhile cartridge that needs all the help it can get!

BTW- what makes the 6.5-284 "better"? Different maybe, more "in" faddish-wise, but better?

Don't forget the 6.5x55 BJ Ackley. Developed by Bob Jordon.

Both the 6.5 rem mags I posted about were built off of 300 win mags. Mine was a Browning BBR with a short magazine where I couldn't load close to the lands with the 300. With the rebarrel I was able to have the lands set way out so I could put that long 6.5 bullet out there




The other gun rebarreled to 6.5 rem mag was a Vanguard and neither of these guns has a feeding problem.

I don't think the 6.5 rem mags I reload for would perform as well in a short action, especially with the heavier bullets.

I have been shooting 6.5s for a bunch of years, and I have moved down in bullet weight as bullet designs advanced. I stuck on the 140 gr Hornady Spire Point for a lot of years, but now I am down to the 120 gr to 130 gr for most of my hunting with my 6.5-'06. I think I can move down to a short action and get the same of improved ballistics while having a lighter and handier rifle.

I shot my first deer with a 6.5X55.

jim

My thoughts exactly.Barnes has a new 6.5 TTSX in I believe 125gr,and there is also the 130 Accubond.These bullets should fit easily in a M700 short action and make the 6.5 Rem Mag more thab feasible as a flat shooting deer rifle.If you want to shoot 160s,then a 6.5-.284 in a long action might be the way to go! Monashee

Thank you Gents.

Interesting point re the bullet selection and what that means for each particular cartridge. I know nosler bought out the 100 grain partition specifically for the 260rem.

The more I think about converting to a 6.5RM, the more I feel like my 7mmRM is becoming redundant, given it has a 338wm as a big brother.

Nothing like some good procrastination and chin scratching.

LowBC

Seriously... if it weren't for chin scratching and "talking things over" this forum would barely have a reason to exist.

I've found this to be true of hunting trips, and family vacations for that matter... when it comes right down to it, I get more joy out of considering destinations, preparing for the trips with maps and equipment, etc, than I do out of the trip itself!

LowBC,

I favor "creative procrastination"; it has eliminated some chores while I was still thinking about whether to do them or not...jim

I dont have any experience with the 6.5 rem mag, but i do with a 6.5X55 in a 700 classic. The way i look at it is, if you are looking for a long range set-up then go with a long action. The 6.5-06 AI is a really good wild cat, or the 264 win mag is even more potent.

I personally, do not like belted mags, theres no need for the belt, so why have it? If you want a short mag take a good hard look at the 7mm saum, yes its a dead round, but you can buy Rifles chambered in it for a song and a dance. There are tons of great bullets, and its ballistics mimic the 280 AI. I bought one in a stainless, synthetic, model 7 and its a great little, accurate, rifle.

With that said, if you want a different cartridge that no one else will have at the range, go with the 6.5 rem mag, but a 6.5 saum would really be different. The saum case has a long neck, is more tapered than a wsm, and its capacity is very good, Norma also now makes 300 saum brass.

Selective deafness works well if you have a spouse that actually expects you to perform said chores...

Don't belted mags use the belt to headspace off of? If so, that would be the reason for the belt.

[i][i]"If you want a short mag take a good hard look at the 7mm saum, yes its a dead round, but you can buy Rifles chambered in it for a song and a dance. There are tons of great bullets, and its ballistics mimic the 280 AI."[/i][/i]


Exactly what DarkStar said.

WN

True, but if you only neck size brass it'll headspace on the shoulder, which does make the belt useless, but the 6.5 Rem Mag's belt doesn't make it a worthless round.

The more I think about it the more I want one...

Me too efw!I need one like a hole in the head....but that's never stopped me before,and I already have brass and dies.an after the season project maybe! Monashee

Well Guys,

I am going to bite the bullet and put a medium weight 6.5 rem mag barrel on, 26 inches long and we'll see what she'll do.

Once I've done that, I'll start picking your brains for loads with the 120NBT.

Thanks for your help.

LowBC

P.S Don't need the 7saum, have a 7mm Rem Mag that does the job nicely.

I had a notice that one of the distributors had some 6.5 brass, PM me if you would like me to call for price and availability.

Thank you Brasshound, much appreciated.

I think the 6.5 Rem mag would be the ultimate cool rifle. I may find a cheap SPS WSM action and build one for schist and giggles.

Since I posted this I went ahead and had a 6.5RemMag built on the extra 7SAUM I had laying around.24" Shilen #2 and a Wyatt box mag to give myself a little load out room.I like it just fine.I've loaded a bunch of 120BTs over N550,now I just need some range time.I kept the other 7SAUM,it shoots way to well to tinker with. Monashee

Monashee,
Try 59.0gr of RL-22 with both 120gr NBTs and 125gr NPs. Both these loads shoot sub-moa in both of my 6.5RMs without pressure signs. I used to get early pressure signs (flat primers with a moderate load of H4831), but RL-22 seems made for this round. Good luck, have fun and raise eyebrows at any hunting camp you attend.
George

I will most certainly give that load a try George,many thanks! Monashee

My go to powder now is RL17

Getting 3200 fps with a 130 gr Scirrocco II seated .060" off and it loudly smacks game DRT

Ballpark charge weight with that rl17/130 combo?

In my opinion Remmington is missing the boat by not building a long range 700 and chambering it in 6.5 mag. I think it would out shoot the 6.5/284.

54.5 gr

I worked up from 48 gr to 55 gr in .3 gr increments as you should too. Never hit a pressure sign but quit because I got where I needed to be.

Vv N165 is the most accurate powder in my 6.5-284, so don't forget about Vhitavuori.

RL-17 is the fastest, with 140's at 3,100, but with some pressure signs. I can shoot 140's all day long at 3,000, but not as accurately as with Vv N165 at 2,950.

DF

The 6.5 RM in a long action kind of intrigues me.

My target speed would be 2,900 fps out of a 24" barrel, looking for low pressures to get it there.

What powder/load do you think will get that?

If I built one it would be in a LA , especially for long, heavy for caliber bullets.

DF

I just found this thread, I probably read it when it came out, but I don't remember. I'm thinking about having a 6.5 R Mag built. Brass seems pretty scarce. A guy will probably have to make his own. Do you guys have any experience doing that?

I bought a set of RCBS form dies (#58117) many years ago. I would start with .350 mag cases and form them down to .30 cal and then to 6.5 cal. I even formed cases from 7mm Mag cases. I also had a 600 Remington chambered in .30x.350 cal just to play with. Its my medium Thumper. Remember that Imperial sizing wax, annealing and outside neck turning are a must. Or you can luck out and buy a crap load of new cases from Midway at an insanely low price when they were trying to unload them.

George

God always looks after true believers and I believe in the 6.5 Rem Mag.

Along with all the kid photos, grandkid photos, etc. my wife put a big Garfield cartoon on our refrigerator and I think it's aimed at me. It says, "some call it procrastination; I call it deep thought."