Hello,
I'm wanting to load 150 gr, 30-30 bullets in my '06 and run them at about 2400 fps. I know I can do that with SR4759, but does anyone have good data, using IMR 4198??

Thanks!.... Ken

Just looked at an old IMR Handloader's Guide, they have 38 grains at 2600 fps as a MAX load; reduce by 10% (34.2 grains) and work up. This comes with the standard disclaimer that I'm not responsible if you blow yourself up...

Thanks!... Ken

For your information, another alternative.

170 grain Hornady 30-30 bullet, 47 gr. R15, R9.5 primer, bullet seated to cannelure.

To date haven't collected anything with it but it shoots well and has velocity in the range you are wanting.

Jim

You can run the 4198 down much further than simply 10%.

I've run it anywhere from 20 grains (some old Speer manuals) up toward 40, though I usually cruise it at 30 or so.

Lyman's 46th edition doesn't show anything with a jacketed bullet for the .30-06 but does list loads for cast using IMR 4198.

151 grain 311466
23.0 grains / 1670 fps / 12,100 CUP
37 grains / 2515 fps / 38,000 CUP

Just for comparison,
169 grain 311291
25 grains / 1729 fps / 15,100 CUP
38.5 grains / 2501 fps / 45,100 CUP

and for further comparison,
170 grain 31141
25.0 gr/ 1717 fps / 13,100 CUP
38.5 gr / 2463 fps / 43,100 CUP

Their jacketed loads all top out around 50,400 CUP.

It's hard to extrapolate pressure and velocity going from cast to jacketed and IMR4198 is pretty quick, so slight increases can cause some fair jumps in pressure.

kcnboise hit the starting point pretty well. I'm kind of conservative and would start even a couple grains lower, like maybe 32 just to be sure all is copacetic. Work up a grain at a time until you hit your target velocity and you should be fine.

Do y'all think, then, that I should stick with SR4759, instead of the 4198?? Any recommendations on charges of 4759 to reach 2400fps, with a 150grainer, out of a 18.5" bbl?

Thanks!!.... Ken

Get the Hodgdon 2009 manual. There's an article in there with reduced loads using the TSX bullets. Takes the listed cartridges down to a .243 recoil. He list imr 4198 using 150 gr bullets. I'll scan and post a copy later today. He also used H4895 as well.

From the same IMR manual I got the above data from:

31.0 grains SR4759 (MAX) gives 2365 fps.

If you go with the IMR4198 at 34 grains it should be right about 2400 fps.

Here are the loads form 2009 hodgdon magazine.

Been doing this for years...

another interesting observation..

about any big game SP bullet, with an MV of 2250 fps...

if zeroed 3.5 inches high at 100 yds, will be dead on at 200 yds and 3.5 inches low at about 230 to 240 yds....

apply this to the following..

a adult deer regardless of size and weight is 14 to 16 inches from backbone to breast bone..

cut that 'window of opportunity' in half.. say to 7 inches..

so if a hunter can hold steady, a simple 2250 fps MV, will be able to strike a deer, without any visual compensation on the rifle scope ( when zeroed 3.5 inches high at 100 yds) as long as the target is within 240 yds....

the cross hair set right on the ridge of the deer's back, can stretch this out to 300 yds or further..

since most deer are taken within 100 yds, and a bigger percentage are taken within 200 yds total, and a very small percent taken beyond that range...

a hunter with a load of 30 grains of IMR 4198, with a 150 grain bullet is more than armed and capable of taking a deer at 240 yds or anything inbetween..

only thing left to do, is to practice and pick the right bullet that will open up and penetrate deeply at that velocity...

at least here in Oregon with Blacktails.. one does not need a round with the velocity to kill an ELK at 500 yds, to take the average 75 to 110 lb blacktail at 100 yds or less...

Thank you Trailrider and Seafire and all!

Seafire: Will that 150gr flatnose perform well at 2250muzzle? I know the standard 30-30 load is 2365, so I was thinking of bumping it to 2400fps??...

I've loaded a 125gr FPHP down to 2100fps, for out to 75yds, W. Oregon stuff/Willamette Valley.. So I wanted just a little longer round and thought of going to the 150grain for timbered edges/clearcuts...

I'm not taking this carbine w/Ghost Ring to the open sage desert to shoot long range,, so what is everyone's opinion on the correct velocity of the 150 grain FlatNose for deer?

Again, thank you gentlemen for your data and thoughts!

Ken

Not to answer for SeaFire, but real-life speed for 150s in a 20" carbine is in the mid 2200's with a .30-30, so the 150's should work fine.

Kenner,

the 150 FN is also used in the Frequently forgotten 307 Winchester, which has an MV of 2500 to 2600 fps with that bullet..

I loaded up a friends Garand with that bullet as it was the best shooting bullet he tried in that rifle. and he was using it for competition..

we were running it out to 300 meters, and had an MV of 2750 fps or so..

some trees used as a back drop, when I went around the corner and into the woods to chronograph a few rounds...believe me, that bullet is more than fine for lethality...

they open up fine, from slow velocity for the 30/30s to 06 velocity.. and every thing in between..

I suspect they are not more popular for the same reason Round Nose bullets aren't.... don't give enough 'long range' performance.. even tho people are mostly only using them under 150 yds or less...

your combo will actually be a joy to carry, and will not be handicapped at all on anything under 200 yds.. a little change on the zero to 3.5 inches high at 100, you'll be dead on at 200 and 3.5 inches low at about 240 yds..

anything in that bullets way all the way out there, will be toast if put in the right spot..

Seafire Jr's 06 will be upgraded to a 150 grain bullet for this season from a 125 grainer..and at 2400 fps... that will be the bullet we will load, or the 150 ballistic tip..

125 yds is a long shot on where we hunt..right around the corner from the house..

Great!... Didn't know one could run a 150gr 30-30 bullet that fast(2500-2600) and have it perform, without breaking up.... I'll match it up, trajectory-wise, with my 180 gr elk loads..(which is not necessarily the same as velocity for different bullets...)

Thank you all!... I love learning all this stuff!!!

Later,,, Ken

A proposal: Judging from the number of views of several posts, just for the 30.06, on reduced loads of different grained bullets, it would appear that there's quite an interest in "softer"/shorter range loads for .30 cal, not just the '06, and perhaps for other calibers.

Chuck Hawks has published reduced loads and I've received wonderful support on this site from numerous members. I'm wondering... proposing,, and wondering how to get this going... I'm proposing that "The Writers", write an article, or get a post going, specifically for low velocity/soft rounds/close range loads for the .30 caliber, as well as other cals. Perhaps the article could have links to postings, or articles for specific calibers... I say calibers, because there's not much difference 'tween my .308 and 30.06 capabilities of running the same bullets at similar velocities. Perhaps the same is true for other .30 cals and even different cals. Maybe "Reduced Loads" needs its own category??

So, I'm hoping for a good article/post, which consolidates and makes info more accessible. I will be posting this as well on other posts I'm on... What do y'all think?

Take care,,, Ken