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Posted By: SU35 Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/07/11
Hit the range today with a Sako A7 in 300 WSM trying out some Superformance powder.

Norma brass
Win mag primer
73.5 grains of SF
155 Scenar

3,440 mv. Primers were a little on the flat side and I'll drop the load .5 it still should get 3,400 mv. That's a smokin load.

168 BT's at 71.5 grains fetched 3,160s

Keep us posted if you try it with some different bullets. IE: 180 nosler pt's or 165 hornady interlocks. Thanks.....
Wow !! I thought my 3320 fps was blazin with 150 AB's.
Originally Posted by Reloder28
Wow !! I thought my 3320 fps was blazin with 150 AB's.


I'm still on the brass I got from you. I've loaded it around 5 times now, so it is about time to start tossing it out grin. Primer pockets are starting to get a little loose....Thanks again buddy. I have been curious about the superformance powder so I hope we hear more about it. To the OP, that load is smoking hot!!!!! whistle
I tried Superformance in my 300 WSM, but the groups were so large that I didn't even bother with the chrono. Glad to hear that it works.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/10/11
Back from the range with further test and site in for a deer hunt.

Shot for zero then put the next 3 on top of each other for a .5 3 shot group.

Load was
NBT 168's 3,250 MV with an ES of less than 10. (The Zeiss turret is going to like that.)
Norma brass
Win mag primer
71.0 grains of SF powder.
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This same load shot a 3/4" group the day before at 260 yards.
I'm more than likely missing something SU but in your first post you listed 168's w/71.5=3160 right? And then you posted 168's w/71 and they went 3250?

Thinking I'm missing something just not sure what?

Thx
Dober
If you recall I ran the 150-155's with R17 to 3400 but ooh was it a hot load!

I backed it down to 3150-3200 and rock on with it cause it's so darn accurate in my rig.


Dober
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/10/11
Mark, yes, that was a Typo. I've Chrony twice after that to confirm the average of 3,250 with 71.0 grains.

That is one grain less than Hodgdon recommends.

http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/SuperLever.pdf

They recommended Win Mag Primers and that is what I used. I've always had excellent results with Norma brass in the 300 WSM as well.

100 yd zero
1000 20.75 That's darn good and flat shooting for a 30 cal.

I have shot this load to 500 yesterday on a gong. It was hit after hit with the dial. I'm high on these Zeiss elevation turrets btw. Like them better than the M1 or the CDS dial as if you have gloves on it's easier to dial. Very positive clicks and it's dead on. 4A reticle too.

I tucked a shem under the rear to give me more come ups with the 1" tube.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/10/11
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If you recall I ran the 150-155's with R17 to 3400 but ooh was it a hot load!


Mark, 3,400 with a 150 is easy street for Superformance. IT WORKS!!
Thx SU-thought something was amiss, that or wonky clock readings.

3400 wasn't easy street with R17 that's for sure.

Thx
Dober
Posted By: TXRam Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/11/11
I picked up a couple of pounds a couple of weeks ago - glad to see some real world results. I will be trying it in my 300 and 7mm WSM's.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/11/11
Not only has it proven to be an accurate powder with higher velocity's, but also the ES is excellent. I suspect it's also a good powder for extreme temps and cleans up easily.

I'd like to try it in my 25-06 Ackley.

It was a no go in the 6.5x284 with 130 grain bullets.
SU,

Is Superformance an "extreme" powder? I'm on my iPad and Hogdon's drop downs won't open for me.

Thanks
GK
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/11/11
An extreme powder? I'm not sure, but as I said, I suspect it is.
Thanks SU,

Hodgdon has an "Extreme" brand of powder that is supposed to be more temp insensitive than their standard powder. I checked this morning and Superformance is not in the "extreme" category.

However, I will take first hand knowledge such as yours over marketing any day!

Thanks again for the range info.

GK
Hodgdon's list of Extreme powders is not "marketing." It is a list of their temp-resistant powders made by Australian Defense Industries, which all use the same technology--and work as claimed.

If Superformance isn't among the Extreme powders listed, then it isn't an Extreme powder.
John,

I used the term "marketing" incorrectly, and came across rather negative about Extreme powders. I actually like the extreme line and try to use it as much as possible.

My point was, I was hoping it was an Extreme product, but since it was not, I appreciate the input the op had about temps and I would keep that in mind while deciding what powder to use.

GK
Posted By: dman Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/11/11
Go to www.hornady.com/store/Superformance-NewAmmo down the page you can download "Performance, Recoil & Comparison Tests" it talks about not be effected much by temp.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/11/11
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"Superformance ammunition is 100 to 200 fps FASTER than any conventional ammunition on the market today, and achieves this performance in EVERY gun, WITHOUT increases in felt recoil, muzzle blast, temperature sensitivity, fouling or loss of accuracy."
Posted By: STA Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/11/11
SU35, are you happy with the zeiss with the 4A reticle? I really like mine.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/12/11
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SU35, are you happy with the zeiss with the 4A reticle? I really like mine.


I love it and wish most of my scopes were a Zeiss Conquest 4A. I'm going to sell a Leupold and get another one.

I dumped a Leupold VX3 3.5x10 with a CDS for this current Zeiss. The Zeiss beats it to pieces.
The turrets on the Zeiss are low and easy to handle and don't move as easy. Easier to handle with cold hands or gloves too.
Posted By: STA Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/12/11
Have not tried the zeiss with turrets but would like too!
IMO the 4a reticle is awesome in the field and woods.
Originally Posted by SU35
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"Superformance ammunition is 100 to 200 fps FASTER than any conventional ammunition on the market today, and achieves this performance in EVERY gun, WITHOUT increases in felt recoil, muzzle blast, temperature sensitivity, fouling or loss of accuracy."
That is the description for Hornady Superformance ammo, Hodgdon Superformance powder is not the same powder used in that ammo, it just produces similar results in certain cartridges, hence it's limited application range, the name of the powder is misleading.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/12/11
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Superformance powder is not the same powder used in that ammo,


Do you know that for fact?

If so, how?
SU-do the Z scopes come with the turret or do you have to send them back to get them installed?

Got any pics?

And....does the bugger have a bottom/zero stop?

Thx
Dober
Originally Posted by SU35
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Superformance powder is not the same powder used in that ammo,


Do you know that for fact?

If so, how?
This is another of the spherical powders Hodgdon� Powder Company and Hornady� Manufacturing introduced to answer the frequently asked reloading question: "Can I buy the powder used in the Hornady Superformance factory ammunition?" Superformance delivers striking velocities in cartridges like the 22-250 Remington, 243 Winchester and 300 Winchester Short Magnum. Velocities well in excess of 100 fps over the best published handloads and even larger gains over factory ammunition! Because this propellant is tailored for specific applications, the number of cartridges and bullets is limited, but where it works, it really works!

(Here's Hodgdon's description, I guess I don't know it for fact, but if it was the same powder, why wouldn't it work with all the different cartridges Superformance ammo comes in? I'd be willing to bet there's a few different powder blends involved in accommodating the entire Hornady Superformance ammo line).
From Shooting Times Magazine:

Hodgdon Announces New Super Powders by Scott E. Mayer � January 4, 2011 � 1 comment

Handloaders can now safely duplicate the performance of Hornady Superformance and Leverevolution ammunition.
By Scott E. Mayer


Today, Hodgdon Powder Company shared with a small group of InterMedia�s writers an announcement that beginning in January 2011 it will offer two new canister powders that allow handloaders to safely duplicate the velocities of Hornady�s Superformance and Leverevolution lines of premium ammunition.



According to Hodgdon�s Chris Hodgdon, Superformance and Leverevolution powders essentially duplicate the proprietary blends currently being used by Hornady, and previously unavailable to handloaders.

Not quite. Hornday uses a different blend for different cartridges--and they don't sell several different Superformance or LeveRevolution blends to handloaders.

From what I have been told, the Superformance canister powder is the one Hornady uses in .30-06 factory loads, and the LeveRevolution powder is the one used in .30-30 loads.
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Not quite. Hornday uses a different blend for different cartridges--and they don't sell several different Superformance or LeveRevolution blends to handloaders.

My point exactly SU35, btw, I don't mean this in a cocky manner whatsoever, I was just saying if it was the same stuff, it would work for a lot more cartridges, but one powder must not be able to cover everything, it would be cool if they released all of the different blends. Also, I'm glad it works well in your 300 WSM, hopefully it will do well in my 300 SAUM also.
Originally Posted by TXRam
I picked up a couple of pounds a couple of weeks ago - glad to see some real world results. I will be trying it in my 300 and 7mm WSM's.

If you get any loads worked up for your 7mm wsm i would really appreciate hearing about them, as i have a 7mm wsm and i have been wanting try the superformance powder but have been holding on buying some due to not being able to find load data for it in that application (ps i mostly shoot 154's)
Posted By: TXRam Re: Superformance in the 300 WSM - 10/14/11
Originally Posted by lmartin
Originally Posted by TXRam
I picked up a couple of pounds a couple of weeks ago - glad to see some real world results. I will be trying it in my 300 and 7mm WSM's.

If you get any loads worked up for your 7mm wsm i would really appreciate hearing about them, as i have a 7mm wsm and i have been wanting try the superformance powder but have been holding on buying some due to not being able to find load data for it in that application (ps i mostly shoot 154's)


Will do! Might be a month or two, as I need to pick up a new chronograph prior to trying it out.
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