Ok so I am fairly new to reloading but I got a question I am consistently getting 2 in and 1 out. First let me tell you the rifle Is a remington 700 cdl sf 30-06 in a bel and carlson alaskan ti I have shot imr 4064 and imr 4350 always 2 holes touching other one is out. What is causing this I'm shooting 168 Sierra hpbt 15 off the lands. Any ideas?

is it always the same shot out?

i.e. is it always the 1st or 3rd shot?

Change seating depth

It seems like it is the 3rd shot

Is your barrel free floated? I assume it is and the action pillared with the B&C stock?

what's your cool down time between shots?

I thought about going to 10 off the lands

Assuming you have the velocity you want. Changing charge weight also if not. But only change one thing at a time.

Yesterday my cool down time was at least 10 minutes between shots

That's why I always start at the lands, if I can. There is only one direction to go from there.

Why?

Yesterday I shot 47.5 and 48 of 4064 I got both groups 2 touching one out making it about 1.120. The barrel has those speed bumps that remington thinks they need at the top

Pick one thing and go with that.

Talking with a couple guys had the kids shooting 22 ' s also

Again, why?

Shoot the damn thing.

So would it be ok to load up next charge of 48.5 10 off the lands rather than 15 off?

Runout? Bedding? COAL? Powder? Primer? Weak ignition?

Interesting that this always creeps up with a pile advice to fix it, yet it seems to never get 100% cured. One of the new fixes I've "heard" is no bedding under the shank.

Who the hell knows, curious to see how it plays out.

If you are .015 off the lands now, try .025. Sometimes it will tighten things up.

Well I will update if I figure it out or don't figure it out

When i shoot groups its one after the other. No waiting except to get the sight picture. Waiting lets your barrel change temps to much. Give this a try. I have always figured this would also be like shooting for game in the field. Animals wont give you 10 min. ED K

I had this problem with 200gr SMK's 30-06, I went with a different primer and it worked.

3 out seat closer to lands.

2 in 1 out seat bullet further from lands.

Do you wait 10 minutes between shots when your shooting at game. I'd take Steelheads recomendation and just shoot the damn thing.

Let us know how it works out.

Shod

The question is "why"? Why / how does it work? And why does every BR guy I know kiss the lands?

Runout has my attention as of late. That's the one constant with the BR gang and they spend major dollars on dies.

The shorter COAL worked in my 260. Like .084 off the lands. Could runout be thwarted with a jump?

Maybe its one of those things where you just shut up and shoot when things start looking right.

I'm not going to spend 10 minutes on the phone with a friend contemplating suicide, so I sure as hell ain't spending that much time between shots.

Seat it deeper and see what happens. I'm also assuming you don't have a chronograph.

I'd go with the 4350 over 4064.

Seat deeper.

Steelhead offering good overall advice. Seat deeper...use 4350...only change one thing at a time.

As to WHY it's doing what it's doing...only the shooting gods truly know for sure...all you can do is tinker and find out wht you can find out...if you're searching for one hole akkercy...be prepared to be befuddled more often than not as to the WHY any particular rifle does what it does.

For conversation.

For schitsandgiggles.

BR shooters load to lands because they are not interested in maximum hunting loads, just accuracy.
If you load to lands and you rifle shoots well, you need to confirm your magazine can house and feed at that length. Many won't.

For cryin out loud.

I'm getting ready to order a chrono I thought maybe it could have been me so I took my tikka 7mm-08 today loaded with 120 NBT and RL15 shot a 3 shot 1 hole basically next group just slightly bigger almost a one holer. But I will try loading some deeper. I appreciate all the advice so far. This remington has been kinda troublesome

Damn those Tikkas.

I know don't you love them I think I'm gonna buy another one maybe 308.

Might wanna check out the 1:8 223. 4th shot out of a brand new rig is on the left. Little windage nudge, then 5, 6, and 7 on the right. Factory (mag length) Hornday 75 HPBT.

I can live with .4's

If one finds a length that works, stick with it and forget about magazine length. Tons of guns and I run most of them in single shot mode anyway.

With accuracy, the first one usually does the job.

Yeah, but you missed the square.


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We don't need to hit what we are aiming at....

Had a Browning in 7mm08 that did the same. Showed the targets to a guy i was working with. He said knowing me i would never be happy with it. Said if i threw in the dies he would give me what i paid for the rifle and scope. Sold it to him that evening. That fixed the problem.

Ok so gonna give a update I have tried 3 different bullets the last I tried 165 Sierra boat tail spitzer. Seated 10 off the lands from the ogive. Rem brass wlr primer and imr 4350 started at 55 the 55.5 then 56. Speed was normal. Accuracy was actually good right under a inch on all 3 charges. But at 56 it started flattening the primers and i know primers are not the best way to go about pressure signs. So just for fun I took 3 cases to local LGS and asked some of those guys that been loading for a long time. Do these primers look flat they said that is warm. So I said that it is 1 grain below max still. So my question is. Is the chamber to small or to large that is causing this. This gun is about to drive me crazy.

Oh and the guy at the store said I wouldn't go any hotter on the load and it may get real hot in the summer. So who knows. Anyone ever run into this.

How's runout?

I don't have a gauge to check run out

Small sample, but might be something to it.


Easy to swap any individual shot between targets and see lotsa 2 in 1 out.

Then I started paying attention.

If you don't have a gauge to check runout, roll them across a piece of glass or a FLAT surface and watch for tip movement. Pick out the best of the bunch and see how they shoot.

Run 55 and seat deeper for the accuracy node. Maybe even try a flat base. Less powder for the same result is never a bad thing.

For giggles and discussion 223 52 grain SMK 3 in 1 just out and left on #4 and a big pooch on #5.

What does more than 3 shots look like? Like 4, 3 shot groups?

Same rifle, same load 200 yards 10 shots,



How about the 5 sighters right before, seems like the load might work.
And I don't own a run out gauge either.

I was asking the OP. What rig, glass, and dies?

@Swifty

Do a 10-shot group if you are ready for a reality check.

3-shot group is not enough to tell the truth...unless maybe they are all touching.

Have not shot multiple 3 shot at same charge at one time