My recent aqquiring of a Savage 222 Rem mag dog set up

Shilen (no turn neck) 12T barrel w/short throat

Brass included of course Rem stamped

Along with Herters & Sako brass

Do ya all remember Herters products ?

pic.....222 mag Savage/Shilen hidden behind Sham Wow

Isn't Herters rebranded win?

Dunno

Jury is out

I have 100 cases of Herter’s 222 Mag brass I found in a local shop.

Was buying a case of Herters 20 ga target loads at Bass pro and the guy working in the gun dept said it's just rebadged winchester not sure he knew what he was talking about.... need to take the gun shop talk with a grain of salt!

I think the old Herters ammo and brass was Norma. I doubt Winchester or the current “Herters” is offering 222 Mag.

The Herter's brass boxes back in the day all said "Made in Sweden". What other cartridge companies than Norma were operating in Sweden in the 50'-70's? It's an assumption that I and about a million other guys made 50 years ago.

And don’t forget that it was all the finest “International Match Grade”.

I came into a half a case or so of 270 International Match Grade Herters loaded with 150gr Banana Peel bullets years ago. It actually shot really well and the Banana Peels worked great on pigs. Dad eventually shot it all up killing pigs and coyotes.

All my 222 Mag brass and ammo says made in Finland.

All the 222s say made in Sweden.

I have a couple of old Herter's catalogs and a lot of their stuff was said to be European made, especially from Germany.

BPS/Cabela's owns the Herter's brand name. The ammo that BPS/Cabela's currently sells under the Herter's brand name is made by Winchester. Their 129 grain 6.5 CM load looks exactly the same as the 129 grain Winchester PP.

Back when Herter's was Herter's the ammo and component brass that I have or have had appeared to be Norma. I have hundreds of pieces of new Herter's brass in the silver and black boxes, mostly 250-3000 and 6.5x55.

Thumbing through an old, mid-1960s vintage, Herter's catalog is a trip down memory lane for me.

Thanks for that update.

As a fellow old fart, I remember Herters well, spent many hours in their “best in the world” catalog. My first loading equipment was Herters. Big ole black cast iron press. Bought a few semi inletted rifle stocks. In general, liked their stuff.

DF

Remember them well. As I recall,my Herters press was brown and it took a Herters specific shell holder. Heavy enough they claimed you could swage bullets with it. Later years, you could buy adapters to take RCBS,etc shell lholders

I tried unsuccessfully tried to order one of their 7MM mag rifles (J1 or J9 ?) and 401 Power mag handguns. I finally bought a Winchester 70 and a Rugger Blackhawk in 44mg.

They had some really good gear and some crappy gear

My brother and I ordered some stuff from them back in the late 60's, and most of what we got was pretty cheaply made, even for that time period.

Yeah, everything wasn't always "best in the world". Some was pretty good as James Jr. noted, some not so good. Buyer beware was then and is now a good rule to follow.

I enjoyed their catalog.

DF

I ordered a few things from Herters in the early 70s. In those days of snail-mail I mostly did business with Cabela's, Dixie Gun Works and Golden Age Arms. I use to drive up to Cabela's when they were located in downtown Sidney NE. Things were all over the place in no real order and they used a standing polar bear mount as a rod rack.

I bought some once fired 9mm brass and I was looking through it and there was a case with a Herters headstamp. I think it was HRTRS or something like that.

I still have some old "Model Perfect" brass.

My first handgun was ordered via. USPS from Herters - it resembled a Hawes single action 357. All that was required was to say I was 18 and a check in the mail.

I had a Herters press. When I could get the RCBS junior press the Herters left due to the difficulty of getting different size bases.

I still have a set of Herters dies - 256 Win Mag.

I never had good luck regarding accuracy with their bullets. They shot so poorly in my meager trials that I never shot them at game. Back then I had 4831, 4350 and 4895 for rifle powders. Bulls Eye, Unique and 2400 for pistol cartridges.

I think this is right, Norma brass was the origional brass. That was my understanding way back then anyway. Boy I'd love to have an old Herter's catalog to look through today! Hate what it might cost though. Think I still have a box of the old Herter's 244 Rem brass somewhere. Just can't bring myself to dump it. Shooting up some 24 cal bullet's in my 243 right now. Got a load not doing bad but after weighing bullet's I really should trash them! Light to heavy just over one grain difference! seems I have 224 cal, 25 cal and a few 30 cal bullet's still also!

I remember the George Herter book, How To Live With A Bitch, advertised in the catalogs. I often wondered what prompted him to give it that title. I just figured he couldn't find a "Model Perfect Woman."

As a young teen doing odd jobs and saving every dime, I spent hours looking at the Herter's catalog. My first reloading press was a "C" type Herters. I think that I paid $69.00 for a J9 barreled action and fitted one of their French walnut stock blanks. The rifle shot very well. To feed that rifle, I used to buy bulk 4831 packaged in ice cream cartons by the LGS for .$50 / lb! Yea, I know this dates me!!

I was incorrect.


All my 222's (240 cases) are Finland and my 1200 222 Mags are mostly Finland with some Swedish stuff mixed in.
The lone box of ammo is Finland for bullets and brass.

Yep--but some might have been made by Lapua. Norma and Lapua have made brass for each other on occasion.

"The most perfect mushrooming bullets made."

I have some Herters dies in 243. They seem decent enough

That's an impressive stash, especially if you're not from Minnesota, Wisconsin or the Dakotas, Nebraska or Iowa.

I have a couple of their dies, work fine

Odd, the only truly crappy dies I ever used were Herter's. Out of round, not straight, rough tool marks internally. And they were the top grade ones....

Ran across this today. 25-06 dies, cost $6.29.

my experience BPS Herters brand 22 rimfire and shotgun shells is not been overwhelming at all...

I'm 84 yrs old and well remember Herters. My first attempt at reloading was with a Pacific press and Herters dies. Still have the Pacific press, but can't remember what happened to the Herters dies.

Last night I primed some 222 Rem Mag brass that I bought new at a local gun shop a few years ago. This thread reminded me that I had them. 😁

Their weight was 0.1 grain different from Remington brass with very concentric necks. I didn’t check uniformity of the neck thickness.

Who in the hell are you calling an old fart?

I'd like you to know we refer to that as an Experienced Elderly Flatulency Specialist, ya young punk!

EEFS is an accepted abbreviation approved by Medicare....

your apology is accepted....

I used to buy things from them back in the 60's when the border was open to firearms related items. Shipping was really cheap too. Still use one of the Perfect powder measures. It actually is a real good unit. Bought a lot of dies and die sets, all International Match quality of course. One set of .222 full length dies left the case with a definite belt and set the shoulder back about .020". Shortened it up on a grinder and made a neck sizer for 22 Hornet. .308 neck sizer works for several .30 cal. cartridges. 7mm Mag neck sizer was shortened as well and will work for 7mm08 and many others. The expander plugs are a fairly long cylinder and are far better than the phony button that RCBS uses.

Another good one by SeaFire: "I'd like you to know we refer to that as an Experienced Elderly Flatulency Specialist, ya young punk!

EEFS is an accepted abbreviation approved by Medicare".... Luv it!!

Like BIGEYES, I too read the hell out the Herter's Catalog. When I was still quite young my music teacher, a fisherman and hunter, loaned me his catalog. I literally read it into tatters, mostly under the covers with a flashlight when I was supposed to be sleeping. He kept bugging me to return it, but I was afraid to give it back due to it's state of ruin. I finally got the courage and returned it. I'll never forget the look on his face as I handed it to him. He's in his late 80s now and I still chuckle about it when I run into him.

Cool setup. I have a Herters "O" press and Herters case prep stuff (crank handle deburring tools)

I kept 1 thick Herters catalog with color insert for the gunstock wood.

So BIG EYES, is it possible we could have stared at each other thru our big eyes? lol
Does Driftwood ring any bells?

My first powder scale was a Herters and cost less than two bucks. After 60 years I still use it occasionally. At the time it was the worlds best scale LOL. Their archery equipment was really good though.

I think Herter's dies were made in West Germany. George Leonard Herter touted them as being "Best German precision", or some equally inflated hyperbole. There was another outfit (maybe Herter's in disguise?) that sold the same dies under the name "Ruhr-American".

There were three grades. My Old Man was a cheap so-and-so so he bought a set of the el-cheapo grade dies, .30-30. They were awful: rough machine marks internally and crowded with cutting oil and steel grit. They worked surprisingly well after detail cleaning though but the sized brass was awfully scuffed looking. When my equally cheap self needed a set of 7x57 dies I sprung for the top quality ones. Those dies weren't caked with steel chips (I guess that was the definition of "best grade"), but the chamber dimensions were decidedly out of round, and the seater was wonky somehow too. I got better accuracy by thumb seating a bullet in an unsized case than I did when using the dies. I remember dropping them in the garbage can, and went out and bought a set of RCBS.

Some of his books bring stupid money these days. I would blush to tell you how much I got for a copy of his paperback "Minnows of North America" a few years ago, but that could've been a case of eBay auction fever. I still keep a copy of his cookbook handy in the kitchen to this day.

There used to be an account online written by a guy who claimed to have worked in a job shop that built a bunch of reloading equipment for Herters. “World’s Finest” was not the description he used.

I remember him writing about building case trimmers with brass bushings for the spindle that were simply drilled and parted off into bins to be assembled. When he happened to look at a catalog George was advertising them as using “the world’s finest precision ball bearings”!

Herters "model perfect" Was what they said about their products.
The duck decoys they sold were as good as any decoy ever made. I used to run 10 dozen out of my boat. With what we called H weights. but with 2 cross bars 16ozs each. Line wrapped around them an they would unwind to what ever depth you set them in. Very fast to put out but took awhile to pick up.

What about their "Wasp Waiste" bullets? Remember those? I still have one of their catalogs from the mid 60's. Fun to look through every once in awhile.

I've acquired Wasp Waist bullets off and on over the years and tried to like them. Truth is, for me anyway, they never lived up to GL Herter's claims. Sometimes the nostalgia of the old Herter's catalog is best left between its pages.

I have a few boxes of the Wasp waist bullets. One of these days I’ll work up a load for them in my 300 H&H and take a deer with them just for fun and nostalgia.

I do have several hundred rounds of 401 Powermag brass. I bought every chance I had right after I got my 401. The brass is good quality and has been holding up well.

Did any of it?

It’s doubtful that their products ever lived up to the hype but I never found a lot of their products lacking. I used their tackle, decoys and traps. Their bullets and dies were underwhelming. Not terrible but not up to the hype. I had a couple of their knives. No complaints.

I have three of the Powermag revolvers. One in each of the offered chamberings. They are ungainly looking but well made (JP Sauer and Sohn) and strong. The grip is kind of an oversized plow handle, but I found it to handle recoil as well as the Ruger Bisley grip.

I don’t know who made traps for them. Probably Oneida/Victor or Blake and Lamb. They worked well.

A few 243's

Not just Match Grade, but International Match Grade. Not just Magnum Velocity. These are Ultra Magnum Velocity. Gotta be the best.

Certainly do remember Herters were my first .243 reloads back in the Jurassic...These S&W are vintage too but date a tad later..

I shot many S&W branded 22 long rifle rounds.

I have a 401 Power Mag revolver and a bunch of original Herters brass for it.

Tony

have a box of 30-30 by Herters. 3-4 sets of Herters dies for weatherby's mags.