Been looking at a marlin XS7 in 22-250 .....they only offer it in 1-14 twists........any thoughts?

depends on what you intend to shoot lite or heavy,decide whats its intended for.

1-14 will stabalize all bullets in the 55g Weight, 60g Sierra HP, and 63g Sierra HP....contrary to some popular myths.

True dat..and with a 55 TTSX, you can kill anything...

I've just been through the try to find a good 22-250 load; though my barrel is a 1:12 twist, I couldn't get Barnes bullets to give as good accuracy as more traditional offerings. I also tried them in a 1:10 twist 223 Remington barrel with similar results.

Personally, I don't think I'd buy a 22-250 with a twist any slower than 1:12.

My old savage 110 is 1-14 twist.try 50gr barnes at 2.350 and 37.5gr h380 just to start.all other bullets i use a manual for starting oal.4895 r15 and 4064 are just what ive found that werks.usually if i keep the speed to 3500-3600 it shoots accurate as hell

I still don't get why Barnes says 1 in 9 or faster but folks shoot it accurately in a 1 in 14...

22 Caliber



Diameter Weight Description S.D. B.C. CAT#
NEW .224" 50-gr Tipped TSX FB (1:12 Twist or Faster) .142 22452
NEW .224" 55-gr Tipped TSX BT (1:9 Twist or Faster) .157 22453
NEW .224" 62-gr Tipped TSX BT (1:8 Twist or Faster) .177 22454





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as will the often overlooked 70 grain SMP Speer...

Regarding Barnes, while they SHOULD stabilize, in my gun they didn't. 1-14" twist, 53 grain TSX, every damn one of 'em keyholed at 100 yards and the groups were over 5 inches.

So ... if they work out for you, GREAT. "good on ya!" but that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone else.

I couldn't get the 60 grain partition to shoot much better. They didn't keyhole, but the groups were around 3-1/2 inches.

Best I could do with a hunting bullet was with the 55 grain Trophy Bonded flat base, around MOA.

That gun, with 50 grain TNTs and 50 grain SXes, shot in the .2s 'til I torched the throat and the jackets started failing, so it sure wasn't a gun that wouldn't shoot.

Tom

Weird...but stranger things have happened...try a 50 Gr TTSX......or a 45 gr TSX...

I had a similar experience with 60 NPTs

55 gr TBBCs always shot pretty good for me too..

[quote=T_O_M]Regarding Barnes, while they SHOULD stabilize, in my gun they didn't. 1-14" twist, 53 grain TSX, every damn one of 'em keyholed at 100 yards and the groups were over 5 inches.

So ... if they work out for you, GREAT. "good on ya!" but that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone else.

I couldn't get the 60 grain partition to shoot much better. They didn't keyhole, but the groups were around 3-1/2 inches.

Best I could do with a hunting bullet was with the 55 grain Trophy Bonded flat base, around MOA.

That gun, with 50 grain TNTs and 50 grain SXes, shot in the .2s 'til I torched the throat and the jackets started failing, so it sure wasn't a gun that wouldn't shoot.

Tom [/quo


try the 45 and 50s in barnes.mine wouldnt shoot the 53s either.

53gr TSX would not stablize in my 1:14 .22-250 fixed that with a new 1:8 twist barrel and have 62gr TSX singing thru it now

I could not get the 60g nosler to group either.

So, the 55g Hornady Sp ended up a winner, just place your shot...really tough bullet and the 60g Sierra HP is a shore nuff tough bullet for a 1-14 twist.

53s did the same,keyholed but the 50s and 45s are hot.mine wont shoot em if the col is more than 2.350,looks like a shotgun pattern.

55g Barnes will not stabalize in a 1-14, and the 60g Partition will shoot 1 1/2" groups in some 1-14 twist 22/250's and not in others, for deer.


If you can find any, the 55g Bear Claws will shoot very well in a 1-14 twist for deer.

Savage makes a 22/250 with a 1-9 twist if you are interested in heavier bullets.

55g Barnes will not stabalize in a 1-14, and the 60g Partition will shoot 1 1/2" groups in some 1-14 twist 22/250's and not in others, for deer.


If you can find any, the 55g Bear Claws will shoot very well in a 1-14 twist for deer.

Savage makes a 22/250 with a 1-9 twist if you are interested in heavier bullets.

Odd that you guys arent getting the Barnes 53-55 grainers to stabilize in a 1 in 14...Ive never had any trouble at all with them...but wonky things DO happen with rifles at times.
A Big +1 on the 55 gr TBBCs..if you can still find any, that was my "go to" bullet before the advent of TSXs...

General rule of thumb: twist rate is more about bullet length less about bullet mass. 12 and 14 twists should be good up to 60gr copper/lead bullets. Faster (9 & 7)is better for >60. My own experience suggests it's better to err to the side of too fast a rate. The Barnes bullets are long for a given mass hence the recommended faster rate.

Exactamundo..good post...also its the reason the 63 gr. Sierra SMP shoots well in slower twist barrels...its a short, fat bullet...

Never regretted having an 1-8"tw 22-250. Even the 40vmaxs shot well.....so did everything else.

I love you Tom, but you really need to come out of the clouds. Things are different at different elevations and weather conditions. A 1-14" is still minimally stabilized and sometimes not, at sea level etc.

I love you too Scott...and you may have a point...Ive never shot a .22-250 at anything near sea level....

In fact JB recently noticed an anomaly in some of our results on a similar vein and asked about the range I shoot at...it was 6000 feet...where he shoots is closer to 3500 feet. I forget what exactly it was, but we weren't getting the same results....

I have been told that I too am only minimally stabilized....

I'm looking at a rebarrel also. My 1 in 14 wont shoot the types of bullets I want accuratly. My only issue is that my rifle is a Browning. There's more than enough mag length,but I'm hung upon whether i should improve it or not.

any thing would be an "improvment" over a Browning
I'd sell it as is (a complete rifle),pick up a 700 action and have it barreled with a 1:8 and I'd AI it

+1

And I think ingwe and his lover should get a room.....

Jealous???

Think I'll probably keep it as is and start working on a 223AI.

I guess I can see a fast twist .22-250 for it's versatility with heavier bullets, but IMHO, I think the .22-250 should be left to the lighter bullets. As you pointed out, one can be quite versatile just with bullet choice.

To me, fast twisting the .22-250 for heavy bullets is trying to squeeze 6mm performance out of a .224. I like to let the .224's do their thing and for 6mm, I have a .244 and a .240 Wby. A fast twist .224 just can't keep up with what those two can do with 60-85 gr. bullets.

Just my $.02. Everyone, of course, has the right to do his own thing, even if it doesn't make a lotta sense...

DF

Hardly...

Then it must be denial....

owning a fast twist 22.250, I think their is a lot of credence to what D/Farmer is saying... I love the thing, but its 'superiority' over a 243 is really non existent...

it is a step up from a 223 with a fast twist...by up to 400 fps... but when compared to a 243, with the same bullet weights, not really...

please most heavier bullets are all match bullets...not hunting bullets...

Ditto-- My converted Fireball to .223AI LVSF with the 1:14"tw wouldn't shoot the Barnes 53 TSX's at all. They were still straight at 100 yds, but they wouldnt stay on a 8.5"x11" sheet of paper. My loads with 52 gr AMAXs would shoot 5 touching at 100 and group around 1.5" at 300...

I do alot of shooting past 300 yards in a very windy state and it is really tuff to beat a fast twist barrel with 69 grain or heavier bullets.1 in 8 twist. Drop can be accurately accounted for, wind can not.

I've rebarreled 4 Marlin XS-7 to 22-250, using the 22" Stevens 200 223 barrels, as they are the least expensive 1-9" option that I could find. All 4 rifle shoot very good groups and have accounted for 7 whitetails over the past 2 years, 2 by me in 2010.

Jeff

I have an original Browning Safari grade .22-250 with a 1:14 HB, bought when the Varminter round was still a wildcat; it has the same highly accurate Sako barrel because I don't play range games with it. It's a walking varmint rifle for 50-55 gr bullets, it's not a deer or moose rifle. I have other, much better, rifles for that.

Cool!

Not everyone is a fan of shooting game with .224" diameter bullets and, even when the advancements in bullet technology over the past 30 years are considered, some are not sufficiently skilled to make them an ethical choice.

OTOH, many folks have come to the understanding the bullet construction and placement are almost always significantly more important components to the successful taking of game than are bore diameter and velocity. MOA = My Own Ability, if everybody honestly acknowledged the limits of their own ability, there would likely be less wounded and/or lost game out there. But, all game animals eventually die and those that are wounded and lost still fulfill their primary mission in life, to be eaten by predators and scavengers and to have whatever remains fertilize the earth and/or water. The whole circle of life thing don't you know.

Jeff