I have a like new Remington 700 sf in 220 swift I have shot every factory load and hand loaded to the best of my knowledge it won't shoot anything better than 1.5 inch at 100 yard gets worse farther I can't touch riflings with a bullet unless its 60 grain or more a few 55 no matter what load or bullet nothing better than 1.5 if I slow it down groups open up and seems to shoot 50-52 grains the best but well still not good almost every other gun I owe shoots half of this even with factory ammo I have a 223 same gun not stainless that I handload 40 grain v Max's in an that 1/2 inch TV at the most 3/4 all day I have tryed a second stock three scopes bedded a laminate stock sent back to Remington they sent it back saying it was in spec with a group that was an 1.5 inch looks like they recrowned it still shoots the same it there anyone else out there with a gun like this that has a load for there's or any help for me I'm at a loss

thanks

Try the 50 gr V-Max with Varget or Rel-15 .

Bedding issues are possible.
Quit chasing the lands. Seat 50, 52-53 grain bullets of your choice to 2.680 OAL , start @ 39 grains of H-380 and work up in 1/2 grain jumps. See what happens.

I will try maybe Sunday I have tryed at 2.60 to 2.76 with them never with h-380 with 4064 tho like I said I tryed with factory stock laminated stock and bedded it afterwards I do a pretty nice job bedding I cannot remember trying 50 vmaxs that's worth a shot also I have some I load for a howa 223

The other thing I was going to ask is if neck sizing is bad all my brass is fire formed from this rifle so I have been neck sizing I do have a full length to tho

I have a 220 swift much like yours only a Winchester, it has never shot factory ammo under 1.5".

After a lot of tinkering I came up with W760 (H414) and 55gr Blitzkings seated out as far as possible, it is now the most accurate factory barreled rifle I own.

No neck sizing is a good thing for a swift, but I always use a bushing neck die and a body die to push the shoulder back every 5 or 6 firings

Check the crown-Muddy

Swifty-52, doesn't this throat in this rifle seem awfully long????

In my Swifts, I can reach the rifling with a 50 grain V or BK..

But both are rebarrel jobs..

Yes it does seem long, but Remmys haven't been known for Min tolerance chambers as of late.
The OP stated as new, so wondering if it wasn't bought used and has been partially throated. Most people who buy Swifts haven't been known to keep the speed limit down, and it doesn't take a lot of max load rounds and 4000 fps to throat em a little.
But even if it is throated by going back to max length with a light bullet it should still go under 1.5 with H-380 or AA2700.
If its been back to the factory, it is surprising a bore scoping wasn't requested.

it has been back to Remington it had bout 150 max I would guess down the tube then they shot it the grouping tolerance must be and inch and a half i shot 2 3 shot groups of all my factory ammo so maybe another 50 then tried 150 max handloads this winter I live in Minnesota so its a little cold and snow to do much bench shooting I can match and maybe improve accuracy with my handloads best groups where around 1.25 with 4064 and 53 sierra matchkings and 55 varmaggedons I have tried 4064 h380 4320 varget 3031 4007ssc h4895 people told me to slow it down to 3600 I was mostly loading for 3800 range is I went slower like 3600 it was terrible like 4 inch groups the throat hasn't moved since I measured it after 200 rounds or so

OK, I found that with a 26"-14 Twist tube that mine actually would not shoot flat based bullets as well as Boat tails. Mileage may differ.

You've also been playing around in the same burn rate area on powders and it just isn't working for you.

Since you say that you've used 380, I would go to either H-414 if available, or AA2700 which is available. They are slower than what you are using now.

AA2700 gave me the best results for accuracy/velocity of all the powders you mentioned other than 380, but it wasn't as temperamental at the top end on hot days as 380.

There are loads out there for the Swift that do go the other route as in faster powders i.e. Benchmark, H-335 range, but I wouldn't recommend going there since you are having trouble now.

Might even try a mag primer w/380. sometimes that helps also.

Well doesn't look good for Sunday think I just broke my knee in the hospital now x-rays blah blah blah I have 40 grain vmsx 50 vmax 52 hpbt sierra 50 nosler ballistic tip I think for boat tails maybe one other for powder I got CFE 223 varget 3031 7828 4007ssc 4064 4895 4198 and 748 win I have a good share of bullets to try I may have forgot a few I was hoping to get info from you swifty I have read some from you before thanks a lot this is my first post really I don't know whatever you think is my best bet like I said I've tryed about all of my toughts

Get well.. BEST WISHES!!

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like new ?

But if you can't touch the lands with a bullet smaller than 60 grains it sounds like either the throat is already worn, or it was cut wrong.

If you were near me we could scope the throat.... you might want to ask the local gunshop or a buddy with a bore scope to give it a look.

Here is what my Ruger 77V will do with 4064,just about anything else will do close to the same,a lot of it is in the gun,not only the loads.

I agree with you. Sounds throated to me. Some things just don't add up. Think I am out of this one.

Try full length sizing. Sometimes neck sizing creates a situation where the bullets are out of line with the chamber.

Also, check the runout on your loaded rounds. If you don't have a proper apparatus to do so, roll your rounds over a flat surface, such as a piece of glass, and note whether the bullets wobble at all. If there is perceptible movement, you have a die issue.

Clean the barrel down to bare metal.

Run a Q-tip around the crown. If any fibers are pulled off, you have a ding in the crown.

Check to make sure the scope base screws aren't dead-heading against the barrel shank. Make sure the floor plate bolts are tight and not dead-heading as well.

Mount a different scope.

Try these easy steps first, before you get to thinking it's a barrel issue.

Please, please use some punctuation in your posts. They are quite difficult to read, as is. Hope you heal up!

Sometimes it's best to send your problem down the road and start over.

Have you tried a different scope? I have a 700 scope base that won't sit flat, rocks on the receiver, and was one of my toughest accuracy issues to troubleshoot.

I've been shooting a swift since the 70's,and I have found them to be a little particular as to loads. But once you find it they usually are tack drivers. I shot IMR4064 and a 55 Grain Ballistic Tip for 20 years, till I finally had to rebarrel. When the rifle came back to me, it didn't like 4064 at all, but loved 38 grains of RL15 and a 55 Ballistic tip. 3 shot bug hole groups. I wish you luck. Oh BTW, I neck size all my Swift brass.

Jerry

Tryed three scopes not bases it gas been recrowned by Remington stripped all copper

How are the case lengths? The swift is bad for growing cases. Unless using an X-die I have to trim after every one or two shots (when FL sizing).

Jim

Might want to have a look with bore scope. I have rebarreled a lot of like new rifles that were shot a lot..

I usually can fire my cases 5 times before anything even trims off

So it takes five firings before your brass grows past the max case length, which you then shorten with your case trimmer? Am I reading your statement correctly?

Because if the cases are somehow trimming themselves, you've got other problems. Like ghosts or something.

PG, nothing so far that he's said is indicative of what his results are. On one hand it sounds to be throated. 80 thou under not shooting makes some semblance of reason, 80 thou over should be a jam load with it hardly seated in the case and should shoot . Number of firings before trim is kind of normal. Nothing to lead you to the ROOT of the problem.

I have only had to trim a few after four firings I have a few that won't hold a bullet tho seems odd so I full length sized them after sizing there the same 224 bullet slides in and out no tension it hornady brass neck thickness measures the same with a mic to my skills anyway I'm not really experienced with reloading but I have loaded my share and built my share of motors so I know how to use the tools And am good with my hands I check the lengths with my Lee trim gage after every firing so I know bout the trimming I tryed full length sizing this time case I have neck sized all in the past like I said before I tryed 10 different factory loads before hand loading none of witch shot well ether my 223 Remington was similar but not as bad of groups now I have handloaded to a quarter size groups with CFE 223 and 40 grain v maxs

I have attached 3 file the first is the target I got back with the gun from Remington saying the gun shoots the second it one of my average groups around 3800 with a 52 hpbt sierra matchking the next is if I slow it down to 3600 all at 100 yards I have made some loads like you guys have said I think I can walk to the target bench so I I may try them tomorrow trying 50 vmaxs 53 vmaxs 50 nosler bt 50 nosler shots and a 50 midsouth ballistic tip boat tail loaded with 4831 4895 varget 4320 and 380 I think a few of each to test

Abandon the load work up for now and look at mechanical problems.

I am trying a new scope mounts and rings also

Good call.

Bed it. Try it free floated and with tip pressure.

Check the issues I mentioned previously. Also make sure the bolt handle isn't hitting the stock.

Well I tryed today and had good success with a couple new bullets and full length sizing may have something to do with it I think I might buy a better neck sizer what kinda is good for the price I'm not a benchrest shooter but want a quality product I was looking at redding and rcbs I have a Lee and well it works but that could have been some of my problem thanks for all your in put had a good group with a medium load of varget and 50 v max but best with some nosler shots bulk bullets and midsouth black tips all 50 grain tryed 53 vmax some of the worst groups I've shot with the gun like 3 to 5 inch lol I think the powders were 4895 and 4831 anyway lyaman I don't think makes a neck sizer for a swift thanks

Stick with full length sizing dies.

Those remingtons will really shoot. You have a mechanical issue somewhere....take that to the bank

XYZ SCOPE COMPANY made a bunch of screws that were too long in a short run a few years back. Take the front screw out in the forward most part of the base and check the bottom of the screws. If that screw touches the barrel tennon, then the accuracy is gone. If the screw is touching the rifling, it will be all too obvious with the has marks on the bottom of the screw.

Bed the rifle, adjust the trigger, freefloat the barrel, and make sure the magazine box is not pressing up on the center of the action before you ever fire another shot.

When the action is out of the stock, look at the area where the trigger is in the stock. If one of the cross pins that holds the trigger in is pressing into the stock, accuracy is gone.

The following loads are typical loads that work in the Swift:

44.0-44.5g of AA2700 with a 50g Nosler

38g of IMR 4064, 50-52g what evers

39g+ of H380 with 50-55g what evers

One thing that you should pay special attention to, chamfer your case mouths deep, you do not just want to deburr the cases.

Pay special attention to the pressure needed to seat the bullets. Swift cases are thick, work hardening can make pressures spike from one case to another. Mark the cases that have bullets that take a lot of effort to seat(different from the others). The last swift that I had, the cases work hardened so fast that the brass was being shaved off buy the case mouth even though I had a deep chamfer on the case mouths...bullets were very HARD to seat.

If you can, learn to anneal cases.

Lube the inside of your necks before you run them through the F.L. sizer, you will feel a lot less drag from the expander ball.

Bushing dies, body dies, collet dies are all a great thing.

You need to determine just how much freebore you have in your rifle by using an ogive gage used in conjunction with a split neck case or a Hornady comparator. If you find that you have a ton of freebore, then your barrel may have a lot of wear on it, or the throat was just cut long.

When I had a lot of rounds on my 220 swifts, I first went to the sierra 55g Semi point which were as accurate as Burger 52's, then went with the Sierra 63g as the throat got even longer. Not many will elect for this option but when money is tight, you are backed in a corner. As long as the barrel is accurate, save your money for a new gun or replacement barrel. It may break your heart, but a brand new SS 22/250 can be found for about $50, and a gun smith can screw it on your rifle for about another $50 or so. I have never seen a Remington take off Swift barrel for sale, but you have a lot of homework to do before you cross that bridge.

You are driving yourself crazy trying too many components at one time. Stick with one set of components and work through it. The way you are reloading is like you are throwing darts at a dart board. For instance, stick with the Sierra 52, and one powder(one that has been mentioned in this thread by some of the swift shooters), after you have determined the distance to the lands. If you determine that your throat is long, then I would refer you to my experience with the Serra 55 and 63g semi points...they are unreal accurate with IMR 4350. With these two bullets, you can get them up close to the lands, once again.

No one has even mentioned cleaning techniques, I hope that you have good bronze bristle brushes and a good copper solvent. If you have a barrel full of copper, all hopes of great groups are gone. In a darkened room, look in the end of the muzzle with a small flashlight, copper will be very evident if there is any.

Best wishes on your knee, this is all a great tool for you to learn on!

I'm new on this forum, but not on others. I've been shooting a 220 since the 80's, and I've spent plenty of time looking for the best loads. And..it seems like keith and I have had about the same experiences in going to the 63 gr Sierra SMP when the throat got a bit further away. That bullet always shot great in my rifle. When the barrel throat managed to creep further away I had a new barrel put on it. The favorite load of the old barrel was 38.5 grains of IMR4064 behind a 55 gr Nosler SBBT and then the 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. I got that load from an old Gun Digest. It said that any Swift ever made was golden with that load. I tried it, and yes it was. Then with the new barrel, after some shooting, I found that the same load was terrific in the new barrel, and it still is. I just wish I could also shoot the 60 gr Nosler Partition in the rifle. It'll almost stabilize, but not quite.

I shoot Ruger mk 2 since 2005 55 gr bts always use h 380 or 4064. Neck size and f l when needed 6X24 scope 38 grs seems to do the job. Both powders shoot the same small groups