as stated in description, new never burned in , camo or green or acu digital avail. all warranties are for life and cover user abuse granted it has not been set ablaze... 750.00 shipped conus. this is for canopy in stuffsack, stakes and we can work out extras if desired....wham.
13 ft. diameter by 6 ft. peak height, all tieouts and top cone are cordura and i used 92 bonded nylon for the stitching.. this is a top shelf tent and i have raised the bar with construction methods and materials with my tents... not typical industry standard stuff but handmade labors of love.
the KAH just can't stand to see their overpriced crap degraded by an upandcomer with better ideas and solutions to the problems that have plagued their precious silnylon cabanas.
getting removed/blocked from an open forum because i make the other companies junk look like what it is, overpriced fashion label bullshit.... long live the American dream
a little background for you guys, i started work for my uncle as a pipe welder when i was 23 in oklahoma and worked on large road boring jobs for him for a few years and then got my union ironworkers card and worked high rise steel for 4 yrs. in utah and a few other states until 2000 when i decided to drag up and pursue my favorite thing in life, the outdoors, namely archery elk hunting. i bought some gear and started chasing bulls in sept. and my first real year hunting in 2001, put a nice 6x7 on the ground from 5 yds. i was hooked. as i increased in understanding the animals behavior, i began shed antler hunting to help pay the bills and stay in shape. i had a resting heart rate of about 40 bpm and could literally cover 12 miles in mtn. country in 1 day. my spike outs were numerous and so i started understanding what gear i needed and wanted and that it was very expensive to get (if possible) exactly what i thought was ideal. being dedicated to construction for so many yrs. i thought to understand the ways the gear i had was put together. i had an old singer machine from my mother that i began tinkering with and it slowly evolved into the 7 machines that i have running today. from light duty to heavy duty leather and tack machines that push 300 size thread and bigger. i have a good friend who is a saddle maker and we throw ideas around every day and that is how the new stuff comes to reality. i sit at a dry erase board and brainstorm and meditate on how things can be improved or just redesigned period. i am a one man think tank and i am not happy unless i can see a finished prototype. so, that is why my passion for this is bordering on obsession. i love what i do and i love watching the stuff i create get hammered to the breaking point. it just makes it all the more reliable the next time around when i fix the problems that come up. i am confident in my abilities to make a superior product to anything out there. and i redesign failures until they are nearly failproof if not fully.
they are good, better than the rest and i have testimonies to prove it, but, i have several allies now who have told me what gets said about me and my product over the phone with certain unnamed manufacturers and it isn't very nice either, but at least i know i have em scared when it takes their minions to have me blocked from an open forum.. God Bless you and your precious gems!!
guess we shall see when they start scrammbling to improve their stuff here in short order because i now have brand recognition as well and several retailers ready to sit down and talk numbers.
amusing thing is , i have done all of this with no capital , out of my own pocket, no loans and out of a garage while the ones who laed the industry have dumptrucks of cash and i can still compete and even excel because i work hard and innovate... and put my heart, soul and even blood and skin into each one i build. i don't have a state of the art facility but i am building at the highest level.. don't let anyone tell you you can't do something. don't get discouraged, work hard and take names.... that is all. have a joyful Sunday!
a testimony from a very good guy that has been searching around for a tipi for some time looking for the best and he found it.
Here we are in 2015 and despite some compelling data and testimonials that there are better tipi fabrics and makers there are some who are not open to even consider alternative to the status quo. Yes, they are proven and that is certainly our option! I personally felt there has to be something better out there then the two options I though for a very long timer were my only tipi options�so I went looking. For those of you open to alternative to the stats quo, there are some very good options out there.
If I am going to invest in something, and I view a tipi as an investment, I am going to go with what I feel is the very best value for the money...even if that means paying double or triple. People do it all the time in other areas of their buying life�cars, clothes, etc. I am one that does not like looking back wishing I had gone with what my heart and mind was telling me I should have gotten (based on a lot of research) because I wanted to save some money or went with the flow. I have done it in the past and regretted it. If what I feel is the best and what I have concluded is what I really want, if I cannot afford�I now save to get what I really want when I can afford it.
What I find interesting is people will pay more for a Kifaru over a Seek Outside stating it is worth the extra money for as best I can conclude is a �peace of Mind� factor. In the case of a base 8 man that is $325 or 38% more for a base Kifaru over SO tipi�and keep in mind the SO has a lot of extras in their base model. If you could get those extras on an SO on a Kifaru, I think it is fair to say that $325 or 38% would go up even more.
Now, let me put this on the table. For those willing to pay in the area of 100% more than a Kifaru base 8 man tipi they can basically get what might currently be the ultimate fabric, Cuban, which the data indicates is far superior to Silnylon in strength and weight. So for in the area of 100% more one can get an ultra strong and ultra light tipi. To say the fabric is not proven is a misrepresentation, which I have found this tipi world is fraught with.
For those that do not want to pay Cuban prices, there is another fabric option I feel based on my research is also superior to Silnylon and that is Dyneema. It costs and wights a little more than Silnylon but it�s qualities are incredible. If I was not going with Cuban, I would be going Dyneema.
After a seriously lot of reasearch I am having Brian at Wyoming Lost and Found build me an 8 man tipi out of Cuban with everything I want. I will be taking it to Alaska in September on a Moose and Brown Bear float hunt to put it to the test. I feel very comfortable taking it because Cuban is a proven tipi and tent material and WL&F is a proven well respected tipi maker. For those who may say he is not a proven tipi maker, that too would be a misrepresentation.
The bottom line for those in the tipi market, you need to know there are options in fabrics and makers that offer you a great value. Reading forums like this is a great foundation for gathering information but don't just take what you read on this forum or what you hear from the makers...check things out yourself, validate what you hear or read as best you can.
Once you start talking to those that make these tipis you will start putting the pieces together and be able to tell who is trying to blur things and who is straight. Also, when it comes the the fabrics, there is a lot of info out there from what I would call small businesses that are using them. There are a lot of great source of information out there that some in this industry I have concluded do not want you to know about!!!
Once you have done your research, then go with what your heart and mind tells you is best for you.
�Industry standards� The industry is constantly telling the consumer what is the best for them and therefore ,they write the rule book/ textbook on what is the �proper� execution or method/procedure for the best performance or longevity of a product�..
this is a very misleading and even deceiving practice because the big corporations or money companies in charge of the research, design and production of a product are also first and foremost, worried about their bottom line. money. Why sell you a product that will last 20 yrs. when they can sell you one that will last 5 and convince you that that is the expected life of a product when it should be 20 yrs? they want it to fail eventually so that you will have to replace it with another �new and improved for this year� version of the same rubbish�.
an example of this is stitch length. industry standard is 10-15 stitches per inch. this creates 10-15 holes per inch in the fabric of the product thus creating a perforation or tear line. why not increase the thread diameter and decrease the stitch per inch to 8-10. this is what we do to minimize the number of holes per inch in our top quality fabrics. the fewer holes per inch while maintaining seam integrity is ideal. instead of many holes creating a tear line, fewer holes will increase the strength of the seam. an added advantage of the 8-10 stitch per inch is increased water resistance. the fewer holes, the less amount of water dripping inside your tent.
just buy one, it would be easier. i can make you a deal that you might be happy with...plenty of guys on here to testify that me stuff is above the bar
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