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Working myself up to a 20ga Autoloader for sporting clays. Would like gun built on 20ga sized frame; one that will reliably shoot 7/8oz target loads; 28" VR CT barrel and can be expected to shoot 200 targets between cleaning and be reasonably easy to clean. Suggestions appreciated.
I picked up a new Turkish gun in 20 ga. One of those sold under several different names. CZ 720, S&W 1020, I think even Mossberg sells a version. Very light gun, maybe 6 lbs. Vent rib, tubes, 28" barrel, shoots target loads just fine, and as long as you use a synthetic CLP in the gas system, 200 rounds is no problem.

Granted, this is really more of an upland gun rather than a clays gun, being so light. But it shoots pretty softly.
Beretta of any sort.
I love the Enel Montefeltro, but I'm damned impressed by this little Silver eagle I got, it's a Turkish gun, but has well over 200 rounds through it with no issues
Benelli M1/2 or similar.

I picked up a Stoeger M3020 for the kids off of the board here. It is a cheap knock off of the same. It is very light and reliable. 1/2 the price but no claims to longevity.
Originally Posted by Citori16
Working myself up to a 20ga Autoloader for sporting clays. Would like gun built on 20ga sized frame; one that will reliably shoot 7/8oz target loads; 28" VR CT barrel and can be expected to shoot 200 targets between cleaning and be reasonably easy to clean. Suggestions appreciated.



Nothing wrong with the Remington 1100 20 gauge Sporting Clays if your on a budget. Personally I think you should consider a Browning 725 20 gauge sporting with 32 inch barrels...You can thank me later. wink

Buy what you going to end up with..a O/U for clays. Also do you reload shot shells yet?

Doc
1100 or 11-87
Originally Posted by Citori16
Working myself up to a 20ga Autoloader for sporting clays. Would like gun built on 20ga sized frame; one that will reliably shoot 7/8oz target loads; 28" VR CT barrel and can be expected to shoot 200 targets between cleaning and be reasonably easy to clean. Suggestions appreciated.



Easy to clean, sounds like your looking for an inertia operated gun.
Benelli Legacy, Montefeltro or M2
Thanks for the input. Been shotguning for a lot of years. Competitively first with M12 then 1100, to 3200, 303 and then to Kguns. Then to a lot of wonderful years with bird dogs and bird guns with a lot of SxS shoots along the way. Load for all gauges. Have lost track of Autoloader devopment. Still enjoy an old 303 12ga for winter clays. Not too impressed with looks of new 400's. Dawson wants 995 for a 391. Seems like a lot for used gun and I recall dumping one pretty quick because they were nasty to clean.
Originally Posted by Citori16
Working myself up to a 20ga Autoloader for sporting clays. Would like gun built on 20ga sized frame; one that will reliably shoot 7/8oz target loads; 28" VR CT barrel and can be expected to shoot 200 targets between cleaning and be reasonably easy to clean. Suggestions appreciated.


I am not a big shotgun guy, and I only aim and shoot it at live targets, but IMO the Benelli M2 is unbeatable.



Travis
Originally Posted by 35



Easy to clean, sounds like your looking for an inertia operated gun.
Benelli Legacy, Montefeltro or M2


Can one of you shotgun nerds tell me the difference between these 3?



Travis
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by 35
Easy to clean, sounds like your looking for an inertia operated gun. Benelli Legacy, Montefeltro or M2

Can one of you shotgun nerds tell me the difference between these 3? Travis

I don't consider myself a "shotgun nerd" but here goes. All the modern Benelli autoloaders use the same recoil inertia driven lockup system for their bolts, but a major difference between the 3 models you mentioned is the 2-piece receiver on the Legacy. There's a link to a good explanation on the Shotgunworld.com website ( http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=940247&highlight=#940247 ) which I copied & pasted below:

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There are basically two frame styles. The first is the heavier sprung four shot models. This would include the SBE, SBE II, M1, M2. The second is the lighter sprung five shot models. These would be the Montefeltro, Legacy, Cordoba, Ultra Light, Sport, Sport II, Super Sport, Executive.

The four shot group have shorter and wider forearms, don't cycle as light of loads, can take magazine extensions to hold more rounds, have pistol grip stocks as an option, come in turkey models, have rifled barrel options, have mid height ribs, and come in W/B, B/S, and Camo finishes.

The five shot group have longer and thinner forearms, cycle lighter loads better, can't take a magazine extension to hold more, have both low and mid height ribs, only one model comes in B/S or camo, one in synthetic, and the rest in W/B.

They have two receiver designs. A more normal one peice of the M2,M1,Montefeltro,Sport. And the two peice of the SBE,SBE II,Cordoba,Legacy,Sport II,Super Sport, Executive.

The SBE and SBE II has the top part of the receiver that is a barrel extension. The other two peice models have a tube that slides over the barrel extension which makes the top part of the receiver.

On the pre 05' models there were two different trigger groups. The two peice receivers shared the same ones and the one peice receiver models shared theirs. With the 05' and newer models there are now three trigger groups. The SBE II has it's own, the other two peice receiver shares one, and the one piece receiver shares theirs.

The lesser known and older Benelli SL (same as the Beretta ES100/Pintail) is a combination of the SBE receiver (3") and trigger group with every thing else like the five shot group. It also had a bottom locking lug instead of the rotary bolt face Benelli now uses on all of it's semi auto shotguns.


The Cordoba and SS are the same except for their finishes. They differ from the SBE II more than their chamber lengths. The SBE II has the full barrel extension for the upper receiver, different trigger group, non ported barrels, sprung heavier, and has a four shot magazine tube.
Originally Posted by passport
1100 or 11-87



My 20 gauge 1100's are 12 gauge framed guns with nicely figured upgraded wood and choke tubes added. The extra weight of the 12 gauge frame smooths the balance and swing.

Doc
MT,

That is a good write up and thanks for the info.

I cannot see any advantage to going M2 vs. the Montefeltro in a 20gauge.

Can you?



Travis
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by passport
1100 or 11-87



My 20 gauge 1100's are 12 gauge framed guns with nicely figured upgraded wood and choke tubes added. The extra weight of the 12 gauge frame smooths the balance and swing.

Doc


I can't fathom any of this.

Why would somebody want a 20 gauge built on a 12 gauge frame?


Travis
Originally Posted by 35
Originally Posted by Citori16
Working myself up to a 20ga Autoloader for sporting clays. Would like gun built on 20ga sized frame; one that will reliably shoot 7/8oz target loads; 28" VR CT barrel and can be expected to shoot 200 targets between cleaning and be reasonably easy to clean. Suggestions appreciated.



Easy to clean, sounds like your looking for an inertia operated gun.
Benelli Legacy, Montefeltro or M2


For simplicity and staying clean it's no contest between the inertia system and gas operated systems in favor of Benelli's inertia system. That not to say there are not some very good gas operated shotguns like the Berettas and some others.

Sticking with Benelli's then, for light weight there is the Montefeltro, the Legacy (a fancied up Montefeltro), and the Ultralight-- the 20ga Ultralight may be close to 5.5 lbs (even the 12 is just at 6 lbs). The Ultralight is limited to one in the tube and two in the magazine if that matters, one of the weight saving measures. The M1/M2s may fit the bill too though maybe not as aesthetically pleasing.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by passport
1100 or 11-87



My 20 gauge 1100's are 12 gauge framed guns with nicely figured upgraded wood and choke tubes added. The extra weight of the 12 gauge frame smooths the balance and swing.

Doc


I can't fathom any of this.

Why would somebody want a 20 gauge built on a 12 gauge frame?


Travis


Doesn't make sense to me. I don't want a 16 gauge on the bigger frame either. Not for a hunting gun.
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by passport
1100 or 11-87



My 20 gauge 1100's are 12 gauge framed guns with nicely figured upgraded wood and choke tubes added. The extra weight of the 12 gauge frame smooths the balance and swing.

Doc


I can't fathom any of this.

Why would somebody want a 20 gauge built on a 12 gauge frame?


Travis


Doesn't make sense to me. I don't want a 16 gauge on the bigger frame either. Not for a hunting gun.



Your right, my 12 gauge frame guns are not hunting guns but target guns. Both my 20 gauges are left handed 20 gauges built on 12 gauge frames. I wish Remington would build a lefty 20 gauge on the smaller frame.

Doc
Originally Posted by deflave
MT,
That is a good write up and thanks for the info.
I cannot see any advantage to going M2 vs. the Montefeltro in a 20gauge.
Can you?
Travis


IMO, it all depends on how the shotgun 'feels' in your hands, how it balances and swings for you, and how well you shoot it. Shotguns aren't rifles. By that I mean one can usually shoot rifles of radically different stock dimensions fairly well but IMO, a shotgun has to fit the shooter reasonably well for your best results. I've owned/shot a couple of Benellis (M1, M2, Montefeltro & 12/20gauges) over the years, and they don't all work for me, especially the ones with the tightly curved pistol grips. If possible, I would try before buying.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by passport
1100 or 11-87

My 20 gauge 1100's are 12 gauge framed guns with nicely figured upgraded wood and choke tubes added. The extra weight of the 12 gauge frame smooths the balance and swing. Doc


I can't fathom any of this.
Why would somebody want a 20 gauge built on a 12 gauge frame?
Travis


Remember, the OP's questions specifically referred to a shotgun for sporting clays NOT hunting. In that case, I too would generally prefer a heavier gun for competition shooting. IMO, it's much easier for the average shooter (that be me grin ) to maintain their swing and follow-thru with a heavier gun.
Originally Posted by deflave
MT,

That is a good write up and thanks for the info.

I cannot see any advantage to going M2 vs. the Montefeltro in a 20gauge.

Can you?



Travis


Travis, for upland hunting I feel the Monte is excellent. The only reason I would go M2 would be to get the camo and synthetic weather protection or the comfort tech stock.
Shooting clays this afternoon. One of the fellows on squad was shooting a Winchester SuperX 3 20ga. Nice looking gun with a matted silver grey barrel & receiver. It was throwing empties " a mile". He said it would shoot anything and let me shoot a few of his 3/4oz reloads. Impressive!!! Invector + CT's. Said it came with all sorts of shims to fine tune stock set-up. Any experience among the readers here?
Originally Posted by Citori16
Working myself up to a 20ga Autoloader for sporting clays. Would like gun built on 20ga sized frame; one that will reliably shoot 7/8oz target loads; 28" VR CT barrel and can be expected to shoot 200 targets between cleaning and be reasonably easy to clean. Suggestions appreciated.
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Really plenty of good options out there that easily meet the qualification you lay out. I would take a look at the remington, beretta,browning benelli and see which one feels best to you. I personally love my 1100 lt-20 but ymmv.
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Originally Posted by deflave
MT,

That is a good write up and thanks for the info.

I cannot see any advantage to going M2 vs. the Montefeltro in a 20gauge.

Can you?



Travis


Travis, for upland hunting I feel the Monte is excellent. The only reason I would go M2 would be to get the camo and synthetic weather protection or the comfort tech stock.


Same here.

Thanks.



Travis
Originally Posted by Citori16
Shooting clays this afternoon. One of the fellows on squad was shooting a Winchester SuperX 3 20ga. Nice looking gun with a matted silver grey barrel & receiver. It was throwing empties " a mile". He said it would shoot anything and let me shoot a few of his 3/4oz reloads. Impressive!!! Invector + CT's. Said it came with all sorts of shims to fine tune stock set-up. Any experience among the readers here?


I bought my son an SX3 in 20 gauge and it is one helluva shotgun. It is heavier than my M2 but other than that...

If this is for sporting clays (as MT reminded me) then the SX3 is probably preferable due to the extra weight.

And yes, the stock is adjustable for LOP and cast on/off.



Travis

Travis, this is just my opinion and not necessarily the ultimate truth (but really, really close) but heavy guns turned me off as a yout (yes, intentional), and black, plastic guns do as an adult. If a Seal or Ranger, ok.

I like real timber on my shotguns and there are products to protect them even in the very unfriendly climes of Havre, Mt. It's always nice to look down on a sublime piece of planking as opposed to the harsh, cold emptiness of....plastic.
Originally Posted by deflave
MT,

That is a good write up and thanks for the info.

I cannot see any advantage to going M2 vs. the Montefeltro in a 20gauge.

Can you?



Travis



Unless you are super recoil sensitive...m there is no advantage.

The Monte is the shiddddt, when it comes to 20s
If your primary requirement is sporting clays, I'd recommend the Beretta A400 Xcel in 28 or 30". These have tremendous dynamics for targets, though somewhat heavy for chasing Idaho chukars.

I'm somewhat confused by what you want it for. If a hunting gun, then agree completely on the Montefeltro. I've had one, and they are great. They are light, recoil operated, and kick. Another good one is the A400 Xplor. These are also very light (too light for me to shoot well), handle well. If you can get past the looks of the receivers, the A400s are a quantum leap up from the 391s...and easier to clean.

For target shooting, especially sporting clays, a somewhat heavier gun is most useful to a smooth swing, coupled with longer barrels for somewhat more inertia.
I had a monte almost 20 years ago, loved it but I shoot #5 at dang near everything and that particular gun would shot #6s and #4s pretty good but #5s no mater what brand would shoot a foot and a half high. Traded it for the M1 i have now and there really isn't that much weight difference. If a gun won't shoot 5s in lead or 3s in steel I got no use for it.

I was always afraid the comfort tech stock would take on water through those chevrons and rust some stuff. Idk though, it's a cool concept if it works. I gotta say I love about all the Benellis but the vinci is just a grotesque looking thing.
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