Hi there, what is your experience with these three scopes.
How about eye relief?
Which one do you put first, second and third. Why so?

I think you mean Karl Kahles

They all make several different scopes. I have a fair bit of experience with the Kahles 3x9x42 American Hunter, and the only complaint I have is that the short body necessitates extension rings on a LA rifle.

Other than that, the scope is optically excellent.

I can't comment on the others, no personal experience.

Thanks for Kahles info.
There is a scope brand named Karl Kaps from Germany
www.kaps-optik.de . I�m curious how they are.

Hello,

I have had a Karl Kaps in 4x32 and a 2-8 x 42. Very good scopes. I have seen the other two brand scopes also. I definitely prefer the Kaps scope every time!
Regards,

PH

Very good scopes, indeed !
The variables are very much like the Schmidt&Bender. Seems to be "almost" the same. I have two S&B also. The KKaps is very simmilar in quality to the Sch&Bender. Much better than de Meopta and better fom me than the Docter. The eye relif is around 8/9 mm.
PH

Better in english
http://www.kaps-optik.de/english/index.php
I to have often wondered about the Kaps.------

TacticalSupply.com now offers the full line of Kaps RifleScopes, because we are dedicated to providing you with the best tactical gear available.
Karl Kaps GmbH was founded in 1946 in Asslar, Germany near the city of Wetzlar, an area known for producing world-class optics. During its proud 50 year history Karl Kaps GmbH has built an excellent reputation in over 70 countries as a leading manufacturer of optical products. Today the company is in its third generation of family ownership and is managed by Mr. Karheinz Kaps and Mr. Holger Kaps.

Karl Kaps GmbH manufacturing is based on world famous German craftsmanship and attention to detail combined with traditional and modern high speed manufacturing techniques. The manufacture of each part and final assembly of each device is carefully conducted by highly trained employees. Before shipping, every product is checked by trained personnel working according the ISO 9001 and CE standards. Every Kaps riflescope is guaranteed to be waterproof and fog proof, per the unyielding requirements of both the German Environmental Standard DIN 58 390 80 and ISO 9001. Each scope is O-ring sealed, nitrogen-purged, and tested in conditions far more threatening than anything you'll ever endure.

Importer.

http://www.tacticalsupply.com/catalog/134_298/daytime-optics.php

The 3.35 eye relief reminds me of 80s vintage S&Bs.Still I bet the glass beats the pants of loopie.But then,that dont take alot.
dave

Thanks for the info. Kaps sounds like something I want to have.

Im thinking there 8x56 lighted, would be sweet.
dave

Looking into the USA importer page, I think at those prices the Kaps scopes are really a bargain! Truly great scopes!
PH

FWIW I have a Meopta Meostar 3-10X50. It is a very very good scope. To my eyes better optically than all of the better scopes that I have owned.( conquest, VX-III's, 4200's, monarchs, sightrons, etc.. and right up there with the nicer scopes that I have looked through, VM-V's, PH's, kahles, etc.

It is also the best tracking scope that I have ever used.

I do not believe Docter is making rifle scopes anymore. I think they only offer red-dots.

DC,
From what I gather Pecar is no more either.
http://www.totalfield.com/riflescopes/pecar_berlin/p_riflescope_2.htm
Pecar used to have websight.There websight is down.
dave

That's a shame. I have never owned a Pecar, but I do own one Docter. It has been a great scope, and has very nice glass.

There was a model of Pecar that had a replacable reticle.Interesting stuff.
dave

Docter still makes riflescopes. They have changed importers again though. Now Docter products are brought in by Merkel USA.

ILya

I heard they quit making them, and they do not even show riflescopes on their webpage???

CDNN also bought up all their last remaining stock, and sold them at a discount, a year or two ago.

http://www.docter-germany.com/frontend/index.php?itid=229

PatagoniaHunter,
Are their reticles etched ? I am interested in the 2x8x42 with a #4 reticles. Hopefully their #4 is very close to the Zeiss #4.
Thanks.

Yes, the reticle is etched. I think the 2-8x42 is one of the most versatile and useful power range in a variable. And at the same size and weight as the 1,5-6x42.
You welcome,
PH