My my tactical rifle will be completed shortly so I can no longer take any more time in making a decision

What would you choose for shooting paper out to 600 yards

March 10x60 or the Bender 12x50. This what I have narrowed my choice down to

They are both fantastic scopes and incredable glass just need some help in deciding which one of the two I would be happier with

They both have great glass. The March scopes aren't built as heavy as the S&B's. Mine felt like the tube was thinner than most tactical scopes. Does this mean they aren't as strong? I honestly don't know but would think they are strong enough. I think either would be an excellent 600yd scope. I would like a second plane reticle better if I was target shooting which favors the March. One thing to keep in mind though is all the March scope reticles except the DI & FFP are super thin and will dissapear fast in the late afternoon. A lot sooner than I think they should. They offer a lighted reticle but it's a $600 option.

Terry

You still leaving DR and heading to Gradous?

5-25x56 S&B PMII
P3F Mil-Dot FFP .(covers 2.4 inches at 1000)
Take it to a match then take it hunting.
dave

Get both - what the hell!!!

My new March scope will be here around the 1rst week of June - can't wait to try it out!!

I love S&B scopes, but I just had to try a March scope after checking them at the SHOT Show this year - I went with the March Tactical 2.5-25x42mm

Made my plane ticket for the 1st week in July I am in hopes that I will be with him on the 2nd week to build it

You'll have a good time & a great rifle!!

Robert will impress you with his work - he just ain't your ordinary ole pig farmer!!!

dave7mm.,

What does that beauty weigh? I mean the scope.

The 5�25x56 is offered with 56 MOA of 1/4 MOA clicks, or 273cm (93 MOA) of 1cm clicks. Your choice of P3 Mildot, P4, or P4 Fine reticles.

SKU SRP052556-BP3LDC
�Weight2.38lbs
�Dimensions:15.5"
�Eye Relief3.7"
�field of view:22.5 - 7.5'
�Exit Pupil11.2 - 2.24mm



They aint lightweights.



dave

Decision time tomorrow Any last thoughts or sugestions?

Proven but heavy = S&B

Fairly new to the game & less weight = March

Either scope is VERY nice glass!!

I'd feel safer with a S&B incase a repair problem accured. Surely both are good scopes, but there man made & you just never know.

For instance...Jeff(300MAG) purchased a $2500 Zeiss couple months ago and the turret was broke(was replaced within 2 weeks). What would be the repair/replacement time with a S&B vs March?

slg888
S&B does now have a US repair facility.

The March would have to go back to Japan.
I got to play alittle with the new 8-80 March awhile ago.
Some of the best glass that i've seen ,no dought about it.

......Tuff call.
If a persons going to play like I do. Deer,chucks and targets.
I just keep swapping mine around as needed,untill I can get another one....
I like the FFP 5-25.
Pretty flexable in FFP as I use it for just about everything.
If I was looking at target work only the 12-50 SFP Schmidt would be pretty hard to beat.
The 8-80 March and the 5-25 Schmidt, are very close to the same acutal size ......damm big.But for the most part its just like having a spotting scope on top of the rifle.Kinda handie.
For me.
For a full on BR rifle.I'd do a March and never look back.
For a do everything optic. S&B all the way.



dave

The view from behind this Hensoldt is really nice.

No dought.
But I would wonder about repair on the Hensoldt.
Half a year to sourkrout land and back aint floating my boat.

Big difference between hunting and BR in just the numbers of rounds fired.

I'd still take the Hensoldt over any loopie.
The Hensoldt might need fixed someday.
The loopie would be luckey to get out of the box without being fixed not repaired before its even used.



dave

andrews,

Which one did you order??

Jeff, He decided on the best scope money can buy. Swarovski Z6.

Went with March Got a heck of a deal Should be waiting for me when I get to Robert's shop to build my rifle

Slg888 I have 12 Swarovskis now. They are a great scope just wanted to go with a more of a tactical scope

I have the 8 X 80 March and it beats my Swaro. Do not know how it compairs to the S & B's but my next scope will probably be another March.
Kelbley's told me that the 8 X 80 holds up to the 50BMG

10x60 March. It is better than the 8x80 in low light.
Butch

Hensoldt hasn't been on the scene in the US for very long, but as of today they have 0 returns for warranty work.

Which one?

Let us know what you think.


dave

Like I said before, I'll have my March Tactical 2.5-25x42 in the next week or so - I'll post some pictures & my thoughts on it.


slg888,

Swarovski scopes suck!!!

Coming from Japan Jeff, you will get radiation exposure looking thru the March scope and it will even make you more retarded than you already are. Plus body parts will begin to fall off.

March is a sister co. of Bushnell(Same address in Japan).

Things viewed through the scope will glow orange - great for lowlight conditions!!!

Sweet. Someone will then get a great deal on it about a week later in the classifieds.

Maybe...........................

300MAG,

What other scopes do you have?

Jeff's a friend of mine so I can answer that. Banner,BSA,and Tasco.

Ringman,

Right now I own 5 Schmidt & Benders and 1 Nightforce scopes.

I sold all my BSA's, Tascos, and my Bushnell Banners to slg888 & SKane - these 2 guys are serious shooters!!!

Bastid.

"The loopie would be luckey to get out of the box without being fixed not repaired before its even used."

Is this from personal experience?

Just ask anyone here.
Im not a fan.


dave

"Just ask anyone here."


So everyone here has warranty issues with "loopies" ?

Every single one that i've ever had, that had a high round count.Had erector issues.
But thats just me.
Search is your friend.

dave

I've owned 5 and out of those 5 I've had to send in 3 for repair. The other two I sold without ever using. These were VX-I's, Vari X II's, and the VX-II I had was one I sold without using. So these weren't high end Leupolds, but I'm just not convinced the quality is there. There are lots of reports out there on issues people are having with the higher end Leupolds too.

So, how does March pull off it's reputation with such high magnifications in their line-up?
Curious how they're defeating the exit pupil theory with their 80x scopes on a 50mm objective. Or even their 50x scopes for that matter? No cloudy, dimminished (low light)view?
Are they doing something with their construction or just have such badass glass(:)that the selling price can command an audience? What gives?

Its called engineering.
Leupold had the opportunity to build a March type scope before Dion did.A group of ten or so HOF BR shooters approached loopie to build it.They wanted Leupold scopes.
Leupold turned them down.
My guess as to why,would be because of a lack of qualified staff.March scopes are built one at a time by hand.
Ten or fifteen years from now when they discover how much market share they have lost.They will introduce a BR division.
Just like the ever so late tactical division they just started.


dave

Isn't March a Bushnell product?

March to my knowledge has no affiliation with Bushnell. March is owned by Deon Optical.

Deon Optical gave us the excellant Nightforce lineup.

dave

I have there 8X80 scope and it is the best scope I own.

When I have it turned up above 50 I need to have it mounted in a gun rest due to my shaking.

At above 60 I can notice the light transmission diminishing slightly and at 80 it grays a little but what can you expect from a 80 power hubble telescope on a rifle.

I do not have any experience with S&B & Henzolt scopes but it beat the nightforce scope that was priced the same and it beats my swaro power to power.

In my opinion it is the best scope I have ever looked through

Can not waite until I return back to the states on the 1st of July. My new March 10x60 tactical is waiting for me on top of my safe. I bought it without even handling or looking through the glass on one. Just heard rave reviews from everyone that has one. All these people can not be wrong by saying how great they are

That is the way I bought mine and I wished I had the money to buy another one.
A Hunting model.

Now we can't let it slip by that you are saying something is better than a Swarovski; especially when it cost less. Aren't you ashamed?!

When I posted my personal experience with scopes which I purchased several folks, who probably never looked through a scope costing over $500, told me "you get what you pay for". And some did it with the utmost animosity.

I maintain you get what you shop for by comparing and beleiving what folks who actually post their experinces with the optics in question.

I took my March scope to my favorite gun shop and let the salesman and any customers who wanted to look through it do so.

They had a Nightforce scope priced the same as my march, set at the same power about 8 people looked through both of the scopes and a couple of people said they saw no difference between the scopes but all of the salesman in the store said that the March was the better scope.

As for My Swaro yes it is a less expensive scope and I did not take that into consideration but power for power the Swaro set at 24 and the March set at 24 everyone that has looked through them side by side prefers the March.

Cost aside I like the March scope better just my opinion about what I own and have looked through.
Some day I would like to look through a Henzolt and S&B but I have not seen anyone at the range with them yet maybe some day

If you don't mind and you have a way to do it, would you put some kind of eye chart or line chart about 500 yards distant and see what magnification setting is required for each.

When I did that with my Nightforce and z5 Swaro the Nightforce needed 12X to resolve the detail while the z5 required 16 1/2X. Of course they are intended for different things, but the magnification should not be that far apart.

I have already done something like that with the Swaro and the March and through my scopes it takes less magnification to see clearly with the March at 600 yards.

Although I do not remember the exact difference.