Does anyone know how easy it is to turn these turrets, will they spin in a scabbard? Is parallax a concern with this scope as it has no adjustment knob for parallax. How do the turrets in comparison to leupold m1's?

You have a bullet-proof scope. In 10X it won't get any better. Generally, up to 10X parallax isn't a problem. When you start using variables that have 12X and higher on the top end, and fixed power scopes that are above 10X, then parallax could become an issue. The knobs will not turn in a saddle scabbard, but you won't need a small pipe-wrench with you to dial in to your target. In my humble opinion, there is no better 10X scope made. YMMV.

PS. - I don't currently own a Leupold scope. I do have a S&B 4-16x50 PM II though.

Best on the market

I've never had a turret move, unless I turned it myself on any of my 10X PMII's. The clicks are very crisp and positive.

They are parralax free at 300 meters. Proper cheekweld and eye posisioning when shooting at 100 will nulify any problems there. I try to work up my loads at 300 anyway. I believe they are only available in mil/mil, with 13.0 mils of elevation travel(apprx 51 moa).

No comment on Leupold's M1 turrets, as I never ran one.

Pika,

The turrets won't turn unless you want them to. And they're absolutely repeatable.

I don't have a Leupold w/M1's but I do have one with CDS and I doubt the friction of the click adjustments are that much different between the two(M1's and CDS). I can tell you there is no comparison to the S&B.

And considering the price difference, with the Schmitt, you get way more than 4X the scope for the money.

Like Pat said, as long as you have a consistant shooting technique, the paralax won't be an issue close up. The further out you are shooting the better this scope becomes, believe me.

If you can affored to buy one, do it.

You won't be disappointed.

Can you move the scope and take a good pic of the wall and mounts?

Pika: When you say "easy to move" are you referring to rotation of the knobs, or are you asking whether, once set, the knobs will loose their "ZERO."?

Frankly, I've never seen anyone who could shoot as good a group with some parallax as w/o any. However, in this case, on big game, you aren't going to have any significant group size differences at 100-200 yds. That's why I usually set my scopes to be parallax free at 300 yds., not 100 yds.
The big advantage of this particular design is one gets significantly more depth of focus than one does with a 10x scope that has a side focus/parrallax adjustment. E

This is a 3 shot group at 100 meters shot with the 10X PMII during load development.

I know that Scenarshooter has some much better ones. As most likely do alot of other guys on this board.....I'm not a particularly good shot by any means.

But my point is, the "parallax issue" really isn't an issue.

And by the way Pika, welcome to the 'Fire....

You should have left that rifle with me here in Montana last spring..........grin! Maybe I'll get to see you kill a mule deer buck with it up here this fall.......

How much parallax did the scope have when you shot that group ? E

I'm curious what application you guys use the fixed 10x for? Dedicated medium-range hunting and/or tac comp?

Just wondering if they will spin while being pulled out of a scabbard, sounds like it may not be such an issue. If they are set at parallax free for 300m what is the maximum you could be off at 50 to 100yrds if not fully set up properly behind this scope?

If you ordered talley mounts which ones (height) would you recommend for this scope?

I've pulled them in and out of rifle scabbards hundreds of times without anything ever moving. Even had a horse roll over on my rifle, while I was leading it out on Boulder Pass in the Absoroka Beartooth Wilderess in a blizzard in the middle of the night. Scuffed the paint off the bolt handle, but the scope was good to go. Never changed POI either.

Talley 30MM, LW low's are what I use on my lightweight rifles with that scope.

Scenarshooter/Oldslowdog what brought you to picking this scope over a variable? Is this your primary hunting scope? Also wouldn't mind knowing what cartridges you are setting this scope up for, thanks..

I can't speak for Scenarshooter, but this is my take on it.

I like simple. Simple works.

For a hunting rifle, the 10X scope is lighter than a variable, faster, and extremely rugged. Its view is amazingly clear and the mildot reticle really helps when holding for wind.

You really aren't giving up much of anything with this scope. If you wanted to jumpshoot driven deer on the run, you might want a bit less magnification, but that's not how I hunt. Nor plan to.

The 30 MM tube allows alot of recticle travel which enables you to set it up for virtually any cartridge. Mine is on a . 308 and even with that, I have the ability to dial out well past 1000 meters- if I ever wanted to shoot it that far.

I know that its expensive(it took me two years of saving overtime money) but if you get one, I think you'll find it worth every penny.

E,

Its got a little parallax in it if you really move your eye around, but if you hold/aim consistantly, it's kept to a minimum.

It was built as a hunting rig, but I'm planning on getting some Badger style bottom metal w/AI mags this winter and trying a tactical comp with it next year.

Just for the practice.

How would this fare on a 22lr rifle?

Im conserned about the parralax when shooting at 30-100 meters.

I wish this scope was made in a 6x.

Ditto... and it was at one point.

They even made a small run of 1,5-6x42 a couple of years ago.

Having Leupolds with both a M1 and a CDS turret, there is a difference in the friction of the adjustments.

I'm saving up for a PMII 10x42 for my next rifle.....

I did a little R&D this afternoon. No way 10X would cut it in the woods of the land of cotton. 6x could get plenty distance but in no way does it compare to 10x. At a little over 600 yards on 10x I could see brush in the line of sight that could not be seen on 6x. 10x really gave a much better sight picture at that distance, especially if the target was not in the open.

As much as I want to get away from a variable it definitely has advantages with my type of hunting down south.

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Is 13 mils after the zero stop is set or is it the total range of travel prior to setting zero stop? I am understanding it to be that once the ZS is set, it is limited to one rotation (13 mils).

Depends on the rail you mount it on...
A bit different but...
I shoot a 5-25x56 PMII at 1000 yards every month.
For a 300 RSAUM running 210g Bergers at 2800 FPS my PMII needed 7.6 to 8 mils of UP,to be on at 1000.

The 10x PMII will get you to 1000 with ease.
I have both single turn and double turn S&Bs.
The single turn is bomb proof.


dave

If the data I'm looking at is correct, I think there are 25 mils of total adjustment. So if everything is aligned and zero is at the center of the adjustment range, there is 12.5 mils available for elevation which is close enough to the 13 mils allowed by the the ZS to not worry with 20 moa mounts. If your zero happens to be lower than center then 20 moa mounts would be required to get the most out of the 13 mil ZS range. If zero happens to be higher than center then you're good to go.

Does this sound correct?

I dont have mine handy right at the moment but I would say yup.
I have a 300 Win Mag with a single turn 4-16x50 PMII.
I dont remember all the numbers now but with a zero mount I figurd I could get to 1300 yards max with it.
That being said I never tried it so it could have been some what less.
My 300 RSAUM has the 20 MOA mount.
No real reason not to use it.

dave

1pika, because you are new here I going to help you.
The one's I would recommend are the one's here at my house. Send that scope on over and I'll fix it up.

Could this be fit a Mauser action? The scope tube seems a bit to short on a long action Mauser...

*old thread but best I could find on the search function for my question*

For a short action hunting rifle similar to the GAP NT setup to 600 yards for stand hunting whitetails (fields, cuts, roads, etc), spot and stalk mulies and antelope, I am debating between the fixed 10 S&B, and a NF 2.5-10x42 or NF 4-14x42. I have never considered the fixed 10 but see that it gets great reviews so I am asking for your thoughts on my choice. What am I gaining or losing with those choices? The cartridge will probably be a 6.5mm of some sort or a 7mm-08.

I might drive out to look at a 10x PMII shortly. Seems to be very well regarded. I also must thank a few other posters on another thread for sharing their thoughts on S&B, NF, SWFA and others.

Much appreciated!

As there are several PMII 10x42 users on this thread, perhaps one would be so kind as to advise me of the usable eye relief. I have read specifications of 3.3mm (must be wrong), 3.3 inches, 85mm (about 3.3 inches) and 3.7 inches (quite nice).

I’m looking to buy one myself but can’t find any retailers that have one in stock. Has anyone come across one?

We spoke with S&B and can get them in 6-8 weeks. Let me know if you'd like to place an order

90MM, or just a bit over 3.5"

Thank you,

http://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/police-and-military-forces/10x42-pm.html

Click on Technical data.