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#40047 8x42 Geovid HD-B w/User Ballistic Interface - $2945.00

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#40049 10x42 Geovid HD-B w/User Ballistic Interface - $2995.00

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This new Geovid HD-B model features class-leading ranging capabilities and field of view, fully functioning ballistics capabilities utilizing the patented Advanced Ballistic Compansation (ABC) technologies featured in the popular CRF 1600-B, and the unique ability to program customized bullet & caliber ballistic data for the most precise holdover readings possible.

The Geovid HD-B also features vastly improved optical performance utilizing our exciting new Perger Porro prism system. The new Geovid HD-B transmits more light and offers an amazingly, wide field of view (10x = 374� @ 1,000 yards). This means these are more effective than ever for scanning the horizon for hidden game. The rangefinding abilities are improved as well, and the new Geovid HD-B can effectively range out to 2,000 yards - the longest ranging capabilities in class.

You'll also find great comfort in the clever, curved, ergonomic chassis that rests perfectly in the palms of the hands for superior grip, comfort, & stability.

The Geovid HD-B offers the Widest field of view of any rangefinding binocular, Ranges further than other rangefinding binoculars, and is the only model to offer full ballistics holdover calculations AND angular ballistic computations.

As with past popular Geovid models the new HD-B of course delivers lightning fast line of sight distance readings using the most sophisticated micro-processing available. However, by adding Leica�s patented ABC system you now have an amazingly, versatile tool that allows you to choose between three different point-of-impact corrections. For shooters utilizing standard plex or similar reticles the ABC system can offer line of sight distance with holdover corrections in inches or centimeters. Shooters with standard turret adjustments can get additional point of impact corrections in �clicks� in either � M.O.A. or mil radian. And finally shooters may choose to receive a calculated Equivalent Horizontal Range (EHR) for those utilizing custom turrets manufactured specifically for their rifle & cartridge combination.

In all cases the ABC system accounts for air temperature, absolute air pressure, and angle of incline when making the calculations. Where holdover is being provided the sophisticated processing system also considers the specific ballistic characteristics of your cartridge & rifle combination.

The Leica Geovid HD-B and the ABC system provide one of the most comprehensive selections of pre-programmed ballistic curves in the industry. With12 available options to choose from, every shooter is bound to find a curve that closely matches the ballistic performance of their cartridge.

Additionally, the Geovid HD-B features another amazing and wholly revolutionary function that allows shooters to take this even a step further. Using the Leica online ballistic calculator and use of a micro-SD card slot conveniently located in the waterproof battery compartment, each user can upload their exact ballistics information into the Geovid HD-B. After entering their ballistic data onto the card, all one has to do is simply insert the loaded micro-SD card (included with each Geovid HD-B) into the card slot and the Geovid does the rest. With the micro-SD card inserted the Geovid HD-B�s intelligent features automatically use the ballistic information on the card by default, with no additional programming or feature selections necessary. For shooters with multiple weapons you can carry different cards for each weapon being used and simply insert the card that matches the specific hunter�s rifle & cartridge combination. This customized approach allows for greater accuracy to further distances, due to the precise nature of the ballistics data.
WOW!

With the wide field of view, do you know what the eye relief is?
Hi Doug

Looks good. Are they available to buy now? If not, how long will the wait be? I'm interested in the 10x42.

Ian
Very nice looking Doug! Looks like a close range distance of 10 yds on the specs listed on your website. Do you know if the angle comp goes down that close as well? Looks like I'll be forking over some cash for these.

Lee
Man those look nice. Im going to have to get a pair. Hey Doug what did they do with the warranty? Thanks Joel
I'm glad they kept it under $3K. *gulp*
the big question is what is the eye relief spec?? The other is the functions are a little difficult to grasp exactly what they do. is it correct in saying the unit is capable of taking a temperature reading as well as other readings like alititude and barometric pressure and combining them with a shot to range like the G7 rangefinder??
WOW, awesome. I was curious what the announcement was going to be. I won't be buying them, but will be taking advantage of some current geo or ultravids as buyers flock to these....just like they did when they dropped their CRF-900s for 1200's then 1600's
Just placed my order. I was told mid Febuary on delivery. Can't wait.
Originally Posted by Ebby
Very nice looking Doug! Looks like a close range distance of 10 yds on the specs listed on your website. Do you know if the angle comp goes down that close as well? Looks like I'll be forking over some cash for these.

Lee


Line Of Sight (LOS) ranging is 10 to 2000 yards.
Angular Ballistics functionality is 100 to 875 yards with organic drop tables and 100 to 1000 yards with user custom table.
Originally Posted by joelbiltz
Man those look nice. Im going to have to get a pair. Hey Doug what did they do with the warranty? Thanks Joel


The Warranty is the same 5 year warranty that Leica has always had on Geovids
Doug-

Any specs yet on how the beam divergence compares with the Swarovski etc.
Originally Posted by gr8fuldoug
Originally Posted by Ebby
Very nice looking Doug! Looks like a close range distance of 10 yds on the specs listed on your website. Do you know if the angle comp goes down that close as well? Looks like I'll be forking over some cash for these.

Lee


Line Of Sight (LOS) ranging is 10 to 2000 yards.
Angular Ballistics functionality is 100 to 875 yards with organic drop tables and 100 to 1000 yards with user custom table.


if that is true I guess archery people are hosed. I sure hope its not. there should be no reason why an archery profile couldn't have been done. sometimes I wonder if the people designing this stuff back in germany have enough input from real hunters here in the US. it is a small niche but where I hunt you better be able to take a long archery shot I am talking in excess of 80 yards and often its at an extreme up or down angle. at that distance even a couple yards could be a miss. case in point had a huge buck at 96 yards some say umm thats way too far but with a very fast bow and someone that knows what they are doing its doable. it was a downward shot at nearly a 40 degree angle. corrected range was 78 yards. without knowing what the correction is you will not hit the deer at all.
Doug

Just curious. Any word on if the 1600b might be changed to accept the sd card like these binds??
Originally Posted by 805
Doug

Just curious. Any word on if the 1600b might be changed to accept the sd card like these binds??


That is not happening
Very cool. The main reason I got rid of my 1600's is because I don't do mils. I've largely eliminated the importance of mils by using Swarovski TDS holdover reticles - just need to know the distance which is why I run swaro range finding EL's. It looks like these actually incorporate holdover in inches if you want. Might need to give them a try.
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy

if that is true I guess archery people are hosed. I sure hope its not. there should be no reason why an archery profile couldn't have been done.


It's true. Confirmed via Leica employee. No angle comp less than 100 yards. Nobody is more disappointed than me. I've been in the market for a RF Bino for a few years now, and have been patiently waiting for the right one to come out. I initially thought the new Geovids fit the bill, but they don't. I personally would have liked to see a basic angle comp program in them that works for archery, instead of a ballistics program. If I had to choose 1 or the other.

Leicas new CRF 1000-B has been updated to include angle comp at 10+ yards. I may be looking into getting one of them to carry for archery until my needs are met. It's just a matter of time. Swaro came out with their unit last year. Leica almost nailed it with the new Geovids this year. Pressure is on Zeiss for next year. smile
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
...case in point had a huge buck at 96 yards some say umm thats way too far...

LOL
What no 100 yard sight pin? Oh never mind, the sight dot would completely cover the deer at that yardage.
Just for FWIW, speaking of game changing, did anybody notice that these are porro prism (perger system) rather than the traditional roof prism of other top end glass? Which I guess begs the question as to whether or not Leica sees fit for a binocular only version of this system. To answer my own question, probably not since the patent design seems for the ability to accommodate the ease of putting data into the light path over the traditional roof.

It might be interesting to see if Leica decides to jazz up their high end offerings a bit.
No ranging capability below 100 yards? Wow. I was going to buy these, too. What a stupid decision by Leica.
I found it interesting that I could not get a failed reading over about 15 yards in the booth area, even when ranging into dark corners at the far end of the ceiling... Other brands were often worse than 50% on getting a range under the same conditions.
I'm waiting for the next model which will have SPOT and the ability to text.
Originally Posted by dryflyelk
No ranging capability below 100 yards? Wow. I was going to buy these, too. What a stupid decision by Leica.


I think the problem is no ballistic or ranging compensation under 100 yards. The RF can range as close as 10 yards and give straight LOS readings, I believe.
First it was cameras getting too smart for me, then computers of course, then cell phones do waay more than I can ever comprehend, now binoculars! eek

I'm sunk!
Question out of ignorance, not being argumentative.......How many bowhunters out there actually use and benefit from a big, heavy 8x40/10x42 rf bino of any maker? Seems like the 8x monocular in the various RF's would do the job for 99% of the bow hunters out there.
Does this mean Leica will be phasing out the standard Geovid HD binos, possibly putting them on sale smile?
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Question out of ignorance, not being argumentative.......How many bowhunters out there actually use and benefit from a big, heavy 8x40/10x42 rf bino of any maker? Seems like the 8x monocular in the various RF's would do the job for 99% of the bow hunters out there.


For spot and stalk bowhunting, a full size bino with decent magnification is certainly appreciated. Also, the low light performance is superior to the tiny monoculars.
Originally Posted by prairie_goat
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Question out of ignorance, not being argumentative.......How many bowhunters out there actually use and benefit from a big, heavy 8x40/10x42 rf bino of any maker? Seems like the 8x monocular in the various RF's would do the job for 99% of the bow hunters out there.


For spot and stalk bowhunting, a full size bino with decent magnification is certainly appreciated. Also, the low light performance is superior to the tiny monoculars.


This^^^^

When hunting whitetails from tree stands, my Zeiss PRF is great, and it's all I'll ever take. But hunting mulies or elk via spot and stalk, it's a PITA to have that and a pair of binos both dangling from my neck. The PRF isn't exactly a pocket RF. But since I also shoot LR, I'm stuck with needing a bigger RF.


Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by dryflyelk
No ranging capability below 100 yards? Wow. I was going to buy these, too. What a stupid decision by Leica.


I think the problem is no ballistic or ranging compensation under 100 yards. The RF can range as close as 10 yards and give straight LOS readings, I believe.


Bad explanation on my part. I understand. Pretty crappy, though, for anybody that bow hunts.

There are quite a few western bowhunters like myself who are looking for the perfect optical solution. Having a separate bino and rf is a pain in the butt, especially when you're spotting and stalking. It's so much nicer to have it in one integrated unit.

For me, the angle compensation is a must. I missed a couple of deer because I did not have this feature with the old geovids, so I swore that I'd upgrade if I ever could.

I own the Swaro El Range now, and I like it a lot, but it is not perfect. I wish it ranged under 33 yards (very helpful when shooting 3d tournaments, for example) and I wish the button was on the right side of the frame. I do notice that the optics aren't as good as the swarovisions though - that's no surprise, as there is no free lunch- but I find I miss the swarovisions.

If the Leica's really are all software based, I hope they can come out with an update that will calculate shorter yardages with angle compensation. That's a big deal.

The other factor is obviously the optics. I'd love to stack them up against the El Range and the swarovisions. I'm anxious to hear first hand reports from guys who have tried both.
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
With the wide field of view, do you know what the eye relief is?


Doug, I'd like to know the eye relief also. It's not listed in the specs. Any idea?
The eye relief on the 8x is given at 18mm and the 10x at 20mm. The eyecups are particularly nice and detented so they will stay in place when adjusted to suit your eyes.

Originally Posted by Sitka deer
The eye relief on the 8x is given at 18mm and the 10x at 20mm. The eyecups are particularly nice and detented so they will stay in place when adjusted to suit your eyes.



That is great eye relief, especially considering the FOV they are coming with. NICE!
So the question is..... Swarovski EL Range or Leica Geovid HD-B? Anyone looked through both to compare?
Absolutely no contest... Leica by a long way.

Ergos to Leica by a considerable bit.

I do not have the weight numbers at hand but the Leica feels solid while the Swaro is "clunky" and not a good fit for my hands. The button angle for ranging is not well placed in the Swaro.

In the relative dark of the convention center it is hard to get much of a visual test and at opposite sides of the place, but it was easier to use the Leica and there were virtually no ranging failures. The Swaro was far less reliable in the quicky check we did.

With the extras, no contest with the Leica winning, IMO...
Thanks for the info. I'd like to try both in person before I made any sort of decision. I'm just a bit bummed the Leica's angle feature won't work up close.
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Absolutely no contest... Leica by a long way.

Ergos to Leica by a considerable bit.

I do not have the weight numbers at hand but the Leica feels solid while the Swaro is "clunky" and not a good fit for my hands. The button angle for ranging is not well placed in the Swaro.

In the relative dark of the convention center it is hard to get much of a visual test and at opposite sides of the place, but it was easier to use the Leica and there were virtually no ranging failures. The Swaro was far less reliable in the quicky check we did.

With the extras, no contest with the Leica winning, IMO...


I'd probably wait and pass judgement after I used them in the field, on game animals, and not relying on the specs or ranging stuff indoors, but then thieves and crooks tend to think differently than I do. Plus, I hate to say, you have to deal with Leica and not Swaro for service / warranty issues. It's a shame too because Leica has great stuff.
Hmmm... Guess you missed the memo about the extras, the indoor caveat, the obvious ergo difference noted by many, and the fact the Swaro regularly failed under identical conditions.

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