I've always liked the VX2 2-7's. I was wondering if the VXR's had good eye boxes and if they exhibited any tunnel vision.

I love the 2-7 range for my hunting style and I would like to try an illuminated reticle. I would love to hear some opinions on this scope and general reviews from owners.

RHC, Great scope! You will likely really enjoy it. I had the 2-7 Ballistic Firedot and prefer the Firedot Duplex. Sold the scope to fund another desire only. I do really like the 3-9s. VX-R = Bold crisp clear. When it's just dark enough looking into the brush that you start to loose the duplex, or onto a black background, light up that center dot and you are good to go! The etched reticles remind me of the ones in the Zeiss Conquests, pure solid black, no funky golden color shift. Any reports of washed out "night" vision is pure BS, the VX-Rs are not like that at all. Don't pay full retail, there's better deals. Enjoy.

VX-R is a great scope. Sorta looks like a VX-6, glass not quite to that level, but still very good. The one I examined was about like a VX-3, which is really good. It's 30mm, like the VX-6, but streamline and not overly heavy. The Firedot Duplex is the way to go. You'll like it.

DF

When I first examined the VX-R line of scopes,I made my mind up right then, Iwas gonna own one !
All that changed when last year dozens of VX-R's showed up on here in the classifieds !
Then a couple weeks ago I read the horror stories on the "scope thread" about Leupolds QC And offshore parts and who knows probably lenses as well, ending up with some models not even qualifying for the "Made in America stamp !
I have since put a hold on my purchase 'til I hear positive replies to the integrity of these scopes .
Kicking my azz for not snagging the good deal on a Nightforce when it came up on here last year !!
Rich

I occasionally read a negative piece on Leupold, just haven't seen it. The ones I have, especially the VX-6's, are great. I've owned Leoplds for nearly 50 years and the only ones I've sent back have been for reticle change, CDS retrofit, etc.

I've sent more Kahles and Swaros back for stuff going South or breaking.

IME,

DF

DF, I too have held Leupold scopes in the highest regard for the past fifty years , However the "scope thread" which I am speaking of,Is in this section/category of 24 Hr CF .
I will post a link to it as soon as I find it again.
Knowlegible readers on here state facts proving, since the middle 2000's the Quality of the products at Leupold has gone to pot !
The only Leupolds I will buy at this point are those made before the company sold out to profit margins !

Well, most of my Leupolds are older. I do have two VX-6's and a few VX-3's, all seem to be doing well so far. Maybe I'm getting the good ones. People who I respect have sent some back and a few, like you, have sworn off the brand for new stuff.

DF

I am very interested in this as well. I need a rather compact scope to go on a ruger #1 which requires good eye relief across the entire magnification range. The VXR line seems the best option until you step up into the VX6 line.

I was looking at the Leica ER series demo or closeout models but that puts us in the VX6 price range again. In addition, I don't have any experience with Leica's warranty.

I've been trying new stuff for the last 10 years or so but still pick up a VX-?? every now and then. Some of their stuff is excellent and some of it, not so much.

I like'm but I'm not brand loyal to anything.

Do some research here on the Fire. Some less than generous comments have been made over the years about Leica CS and Warranty. Maybe they're coming around, don't know. Seems to me they need to be competitive if they want to compete in this market.

DF

I will look into that new Leica 1.5-8X32 coming out as another option but it will be a while before we get any feedback on the Leica scope. I just wanted to give you a heads up as to a possible competitor in this size and weight.

This is the thread which brought me to screeching halt on purchsing any Leupold scopes made after the change of command ,somewhere in the middle of the last decade.
You see, I too have been loyal to the brand for many years,but things have changed in the company causing quality to deteriorate .
I will not be a victim(if I can help it)of cost cutting for increased profit by any manufacturer.
I will just go elswhere, even at increased expense.
At my age, I will not chance a shot of a lifetime (lol)on something going awry inside a scope.

Anyone investing big money in scopes should read this thread start to finish and form your own opinion.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9433308/1

I think it's a new record for quantity of comments without any, none whatsoever, experience. Would you like to share additional information on more stuff you do not have nor never did?

So, a new scope line comes out and few years later used ones come on the market and its a sign they're chit? Silly nonsense.

I have a VX-R 2-7 with the FireDot 4 reticle that I'm pleased with. Called Leupold and was told the glass in VX-R's quality wise is between a VX-2 and a VX-3. Bought a VX-3 1.75-6x32 in December and have had to send it back twice because the turrets won't track. It is on its way back to me and hopefully the issue is fixed.

Really!
I didn't make any comments in the post other than to state MY standpoint and MY preference and outlook related to the material in the thread which discussed the manufacturing practices and the reason why. I did recommend to other members ,they read the thread and form thier own opinion ; something apparently , you have failed to do thus far.
If you need to see justification or verification , indeed that it is "silly nonsense' perhaps you would click the link and see for yourself , what some very well known members on here have to say!
Rich

I'll give you one more scope brand to read about, this time being SwaroA (Z3). Notice all the bullet holes/blood on this big muley buck? That's because my (at the time) SwaroA 3-10x42 decided that it was time the erector take a nosedive. After finally killing the buck with 4 shots including 2 gut shots from 150 yards with a dead rest, down to 20 yards, I checked zero and found a 14MOA wandering POI at 100 yards.

According to your logic, you can take anything marked Swarovski off of your riflescope "to buy" list.

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Must have missed the first post?

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A cruel truth is much more desirable than a really nice lie.

Yep Mr. Texas raider, I remember you mentioning in the "Scope Thread" the Swaro failure and You were one of the very few "defenders" of the Leupolds

I still say "Anyone spending big money for a scope should read the thread" in my above post.

What this company has done to the Hallowed name of Leupold is sinful at best.

Killed 100's of animals including over 100 head of big game with the Leupy's, with zero issues in the past 10 years, including the VX3's and VX6. That's why I've defended them so far, based on field use, not reading about it.
If/when they habitually start falling apart I'll run straight to the Meopta store.

Yet more words - same experience...

I may need to run one of these on my .308 for a while.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

I picked up a VX-R 2-7x33 with ballistic firedot here on the fire a couple weeks ago. Plan to put it on my 358 Hoosier and compare it to my Duralyt 2-8x42. I like that Zeiss scope a lot for about $100 more.

For comparison:
VX-R 2-7 weighs 13.1 oz on my postal scale
VX3 3.5-10x40 CDS weighs 13.0 oz
Duralyt 2-8x42 weighs 16.5 oz

Even though the Duralyt is heavier than what I'm looking for, what did you like better about it?

I was thinking of putting the VXR on a Montana 308 and 13 oz is about as heavy as I want to go.

Dirtfarmer,
Just from what I've read, most of the issues with leica scopes seemed to be associated with the first line they produce with leupold. But I will certainly dig deeper on the interweb.
As far as leica's warranty I understand their demo's have a ten year warranty. New optics have a lifetime but is not transferable. I think this would hurt the value a little if I went to resell it. I don't typically trade or sell off my scopes though.

RH,

I liked the color and clarity of the Duralyt over the VXR. To my eye, that scope is pretty easy to get behind.

Marty

I have about a dozen Leupolds, from M8 forward. I'm about to send one back, for a reticle change.

Two older Zeiss 4x that have been trouble free.

Swarovski makes great clear glass. Like Leupold, they have great customer service. In my limited experience with four pieces, you will need and use the CS. They break, but often come back upgraded and better than new.

You pay your money and make your choices.

Jack

We can only report our own experiences. That's the beauty of the Fire. It's inappropriate, IMO, to challenge a contributor when he reports what he's seen or done, just because that experience is counter to ones own. People tend to protect their positions, which is understandable.

I like to read opinions of others and decide what's appropriate for my application.

I respect JG a bunch and know he's an experienced BG hunter. I take his and other's opinions seriously.

All devices will fail sooner or later. It's a function of timing and if it's your turn for something to happen. So, CS is very important. Seems Leupold and Swarovski have better CS than Leica. To me, that devalues the Leica brand to some extent.

DF