What say you?

swaro Z3

Yeah, I think so. This or any other Euro that you can get for a good price used. I have an S&B with a modified German 4 I got for $600 that I sure as hell won't be able to get more scope/dollar against. I bought a Meopta with a Duplex that I got for $360 that's probably equal scope/dollar, but I don't think chances are very good of doing that again.

I have a Karl Kaps 4x36 with a 30mm tube and a German number 4, I am very pleased with the purchase.

Meopta - best #4 reticle I've used

Swaro Z3 is not nor has not been offered with a #4. You can get one retro-fitted, but it will cost you shipping there plus $170 to Swarovski.

Just sayin'...

I'll second Mr. Tate, I own a few meoptas with #4 reticle have been behind several others. The meopta meopro is the best bang for buck in my opinion.

I do love the performance of Meopta scopes and really like their #4 but do wish the center wire were a tad thicker for moonlight use on hogs.

My favorite overall is the discontinued #4 by Zeiss.

As to the question:
#1-Zeiss Diavari Victory 2.5-10x50
#2-Swarovski PV 2.5-10x56
#3-Zeiss Diavari Victory 3-12x56

Z3 with a 4A reticle are found all over the place .

yes, but no one asked about a 4-a reticle. The #4 and #4-a are NOT the same. And to re-iterate: the Z3 is not and has not been offered with a #4 as a standard listing.

THIS is a #4:



THIS is a #4-a:

Who said they were identical?

IIRC, the swaro 4a on the Z3 3-9 subtends 16" @ 100yds at 9x and the Zeiss #4 subtends 17" @ 100yds at 9x.

It's more company specific than a hard & fast rule

(the center between the heavy posts, that is)

I ain't seen them all, I like the Meopro but agree the center could likely be a little thicker.

I've no use for Swaro rifle scopes.

Was looking at a Leica 4A and it looks more like a #4

Used to buy them, do not miss them at all.

For best in terms of glass for low light I'd go with a fixed S&B 6x42...but dang short mounting latitude and heavy.

Swaro Z3 for a short action...for me

Meopta 6x42 with their #4 can't be wrong to save a buck or two. Great mounting latitude for long or short actions. I like the thin cross-hair in a 4 reticle. If the light gets low enough your eye is going to fill in that gap anyway--and the light will always get low enough to disappear any cross-hair, while still seeing the posts. The posts just gotta be close enough...and they are.

OTOH, the center section in a Leica 4 is enough to drive a truck through

Here's a Meopta 4C for comparison, I have it in a used 3-12x50 FFP that was a bargain, though no idea on best for money...

I passed on the big Meopta 3-12 x 56 once as the illuminated dot covered about 2 inches or so at 100 IIRC, then it was huge as well. I am fond of the #4 in the Meopro fixed 6 x 42, it is on a Kimber montana in 308.

Thats a nice reticle although I wont complain about the 4K i have on my 3-12x56 R1 either

Ok I have been looking at illustrations of it on the interweb and it appears to not be the case...I would hate to buy the damn thing and thne find out otherwise.

I have this in notes for the Leica 2.5-10 #4--but it is from a while back...would be best to check

Center section low 2.5 X 193.70"
Center section high 10X 48.30"

Thanks

Look guys, over the years the #4 and 4a have been bantered around and changed so much that you better be sure what your getting is what you want. The S&B #4 is about perfect but they put it in scopes that are too short to mount on most rifles. powdr

Don't know what your needs are regarding the 4/4a reticle, but the Leica ERi (2.5-10x 42 illuminated reticle) should be looked at too. It's a 30mm scope, but it has a ton of ring mounting space and 4" of ER. Glass is superb !!!

that leica looks sweet! right now i have 3 scopes with #4 reticles. all meopta. 2 with red dot. they work fantastic!

Which illuminated #4 do you have, in which scope?

i have the 4C in the 3.5-10x44 and 4C in 3-12x56, regular #4 in the 3-9x42

Thanks!

"Bang for the buck", you might check out the Zeiss Duralyt 2-8x42 non-illuminated. It's got a #6, similar to a #4, but with double the space between the posts. I've got one and found it a good value. Probably best on a SA as it's not terribly long. As 4 and 4a reticle so go, I like the Kahles CL #4A.

Does anyone know of a reticle subtensions database/wiki?

The one I had, didn't track for chit. Had to put her down...