Here is the story. I went out west for the first time this year and got a 6x6 bull at 405 yds with a 30/06. I realized I wasn't prepared for shooting at such long distance. I plan on going back and want to be prepared. I'm going to get a 300 win mag (unless someone convinces me something is better) and I want to scope it with some type of ballistic plex system. What's a reliable, simple to use scope for this purpose. With the set up I had I aimed 20" over the elks back and clipped the spine. I think luck was involved.

Seems to me all you needed was a ballistics chart, which are free online............

Man you'll get different suggestions from different folks.

Get a good range finder, a quality scope with ballistic plex type reticle since you don't seem to want to spin turretes

then go somewhere where you can actually practice out to say 500yds. IMO your 30-06 if a MOA shooter is actually fine for what you need with the right bullet.

biggest thing you can do is actually practice out to the ranges you want to be able to take game at.

What kind of budget do you have ?

VX-3, 3.5-10x40 CDS in yards for your best load.

My .300 WM likes 180 gr. NBT's and NAB's, both shoot to the same POI. And it likes RL-22.

DF

This one, I have one exactly like it on my .300...

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Originally Posted by CowboyTim

This one, I have one exactly like it on my .300...

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FWIW that's a good deal on a solid scope. Buy that, a rangefinder and then go shoot your 30-06 A LOT.

I knew the distance by my range finder and knew what to aim over. I just didn't like using Kentucky wind age. Maybe I'm over thinking things. Have a vxII 4x12 on a old FN actioned sako, and it shoots under Moa.

Amen brother! I've been dialing one in on the 7-08 McWhorter and am reminded how easy they are to like.

^ This.

I am a ballistic reticle fanatic and practice long but don't see the as worth much except giving me false confidence when:


A) the shot exceeds 400 yds

B) conditions are less than ideal

It's hard enough to make a hit a target at 600 yds and using Kentucky wind age & guessing is fine on steel but not something I'd do on meat.

CDS at least allows you a leg up on drop and that's big, but wind is damn near impossible especially out west.

Ymmv, but I'd learn to army crawl a couple hundred yards. The difference for me between 600 & 400 yds is NOT 200 yds in my experience.

I have killed quite a few elk with a 30-06 and a 3-9 scope. After a time I found a longer range gun was necessary, I got a 300 Weatherby with a Swarovski Z-6 3-18 scope with a BR reticle. I have since then killed quite a few elk at over 500 yards.

The ballistic reticle is better than the CDS or Turrets, as there is no changing of the reticle to rely on the repeatability of adjustable scopes. Many will argue his, but the fact still remains with a ballistic reticle there is no messing with the reticle.

Big or small it works well. Another thing the 7mm-08 shooters don't realize, is the 300 not only works at long range, but you can still shoot elk when they are close. The 300 Weatherby is a bit better than the 300 Winchester, the Z-6 is a better scope than a Leupold, so that is why I have it that way, you won't be disappointed with the same setup...

Pretty hard to argue with any of that. Good post. Pretty much the way I see it as well...

If you want to shoot distance [bleep] can the ranging reticles and the CDS. You want repeatable reliable turrets. SWFA SS if you're cheap, a lot of good options if you've got more to spend. Go to the long range forum and ask your question, see how many recommendations you get for CDS and ranging reticles....

Your rifle is fine, if anything it's more than you need. Reliably hitting at long range means practice. A lot of practice. Recoil doesn't make you want to practice more. Take that 30-06, leave it just as it is and go buy a 223 w/ at least a 9" twist barrel and a 6x SWFA SS and shoot it like you're trying to wear it out. Do that for 6 months and you'll be in a lot better position to decide what you want on your '06 or if you want to sell it.

Your too far away from where you want to be to make good decisions. Aquire the skills and the knowledge and the decisions will be easy for you. A cheap 223 with a fast twist and 6x SWFA SS is the least expensive path to acquiring them that I can think of.

David

A ballistic reticle is not a ranging reticle. Anyone who twists dials still needs to know the range with the assistance of a rangefinder. I guess elk hunting in Louisiana is different than the mountains, but a ballistic reticle and a rangefinder work together well without the risk of turrets and the changing poi.

That is not saying turrets won't work, but to suggest 1000's of rounds of practice with a lighter cartridge will benefit you more than working with the rifle you plan to hunt with is unnecessary.

I have had both and gone from turrets to ballistic reticles for simplicity and reliability...

You don't have to hunt elk in Louisiana to know stupid advice when you read it. You're recommending to a guy that can't connect the dots on his own with a 30-06 at 400yards to step up to a 300weatherby and a ballistic reticle? Positively idiotic.

I know you can do it. How many rounds of small caliber 22's and the like (222, 222mag, 22hornet, etc) do you fire a year? For somebody that needs a couple of Dillons to keep up with his ammo requirements you sure are quick to dismiss the benefits of practice.

David

This isn't a pissing contest, just advice. I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. Even so, a 300 WBY works or I wouldn't use it. Second, the ballistic reticle works or I wouldn't use it either. The combination is simple and deadly.

Rangefinding is a essential element in long range shooting, turrets or ballistic reticle. The lack of twisting dials and dealing with the change of the reticle opposed to a static reticle, is less likely to cause a wardrobe malfunction in the field...

I won't get into brands other than to say every recommendation as to brand you get from everybody will probably suffice. When it comes to simple ballistic plex system, you can't get more simple than mil dot, long range dot (like Leupold) and simple hash BDC (like Vortex and others). I have and use several of the other "busy" type reticles and really like them; but, for simplicity, dots or hashes are what you seek.

There are a truck load of cartridges with "similar" ballistics and trajectories. Had you known your cartridges trajectory a little better, knowing the range, you would not have held that high and spined that bull. With a 200-tard zero, a generic 30 cal bullet (180 ?) out of the '06 would drop some 18-22". That 6x6 (congratulations!) bull was probably 28-36" deep through the chest from spine to sternum (assuming broadside), so a 6-8" hold over hair was all you needed at that range for a good mid to low chest hit.

The cartridge is not in question here I don't think and I wouldn't encourage to go so quickly to a magnum. You can see when you review the scenario that placement was the issue. So, you are good to go as is but you need to shoot a lot more to make trajectory knowledge intuitive. With that trajectory knowledge and a good LRF you can kill a bull to 400 with little hold-over without special reticles or turning turrets. As you go to deer and antelope, this does get trickier as they are much smaller. And I don't advise you think longer than 400 yards on any game shots; at least, not yet.

Like Schrap, I also have had good experiences with ballistic reticles in Leup's, Swarovski's, and Zeiss scopes but these really don't get real useful until you are going much beyond 400 yards. And they are not automatic game changers; to be properly used requires some ballistic program work and a lot of reaffirming practice at the corresponding ranges. While turrets can work fine too and may in some cases be more precise especially at long, long range, I prefer the reticles for hunting and I don't shoot past 600 (300 Weatherby also and others).

So, if you make 400 yards your limit you need change nothing except add more shooting at all ranges up to that range to familiarize yourself with '06 trajectory so you are more familiar with hold-over at that range.

Beyond that range, things in the field get more difficult quickly.

Shrapnel,

No doubt you find it works for you. A ballistic reticle is by design an imperfect compromise. Nothing is easier than putting the crosshairs exactly at POI and squeezing the trigger.

For a guy that doesn't want to turn this into a pissing contest you sure are strutting around like a banty rooster about the elk you've slain. You might review what I told him - hold off trying to buy another rifle/scope for elk hunting till he has a better grasp on shooting long ranges - I don't think I made a recommendation for an elk rifle at all.

I know you say it has no bearing on the subject, but how many rounds a year did you say you shoot again? 2000? 5000? 10,000? More?

Seems like the guys with the most trigger time can make any system worka hence the recommendation to get the trigger time instead of trying to purchase skills....


David

Sorry you don't get it, but that's not my fault. If experience is strutting like a Banty rooster, you are an egg that hasn't even been layed yet.

The op mentioned going to a 300 mag and a ballistic reticle, I just responded accordingly. You on the other hand, went off on a sidetrack about dials and turrets.

Just let it rest and quit derailing this thread due to your limited experience and poor comprehension skills.

My apologies to blairvt, but if you are still seeking any more advice, feel free to pm me...

For elk, sight your 30-06 in for 3 inches high at 100. Anything to beyond 400 is simply a matter of laying the crosshair flat across the top of his back.

You had the equipment you already needed, and were successful. It sounds like you need more practice to raise your confidence level, and new scopes and magnums aren't the solution to that.

Reliable is your key word...anymore not sure I would trust Leupold.

NF 2.5-10 x 42 with their MOAR digilume reticle is the best you can do, there is not a single Leupold I would trust to remain accurate, plus this thing has parallax adjustment.

+1 on that.

Well stated and very true.

DF

The '06 will work just fine.

Read 'Stick's posts on turrets, and follow the logic there.

A scope with good turrets, a rangefinder, a drop chart, and range time are what you need.

blairvt,

I've shot a few animals at distance, but won't claim to have the experience of some on here (like Schrap). IME, most animals shot at distance give the shooter enough time to range and dial as well as get into a solid shooting position. There are exceptions, of course in broken-cover country. Learning to shoot dots or other on-the-glass system is quicker for broken country and will get you out there a pretty good ways when sighted appropriately. I think you are on the right track.

My rig is a 300 Win Mag with a VX6/CDS. So far, it has performed well for me. A drop chart is handy. A 7mm mag would be another good choice in my opinion, with excellent, high BC bullets available.

However, if you plan to keep things ~500, it sounds like your 30-06 with a new scope would be up to the task. Maybe spend $ for a really good scope and keep your rifle... Just throwing out ideas.

+1

OP sounds like he's in the camp with some of us, not a sophisticated LR shooter, just a hunter wanting a better set up for the occasional long shot at game.

To me, a good yardage turret like the CDS is about as simple as it gets. Ranging reticles are usually more technical and take more expertise.

The TDS is a good reticle, simple and it works. The reason I got rid of mine, with SFP scopes you gotta be at full power for accurate results. FFP reticles work at all powers but the scopes are usually big, heavy, expensive Euro types.

The best bang for the buck is a yardage CDS, IMO.

DF

Um, reading the OP, it sounds like he got the elk.

Just an observation.....

My buddy just got some kenton turrets for his 30/06 with viper 2.5-10. we went out to see how she works before leaving for an upcoming hunt. spot on at 200 and 300 yards. wanted to see how it would do long range, set up a target at 500 and he shot only one round at maybe 6" left and 6" down. could be that its set up for 4000ft vs 500ft where were shooting. Maybe a little pull which can be a lot at 500 yards. But he has a piece of mind that it works and knows not to go past 600 with 06.

Honestly If I didn't have my 06 set up with the BDC scope which does work, I rather have regular reticle and the turrets. but I don't want to start all over again.

I am not an expert at LR Elk slaying but I am having trouble imagining Shrapnel strutting around like a banty rooster. However if he did so each time he killed something he would have the endurance of a tri-athlete.

The OP asked a reasonable question and was given specific answers related to the question based on a lifetime of SUCCESSFUL experience.

Then someone has to denigrate the nature of assistance offered.

Welcome to the campfire. To the OP: good question.


mike r

shrapnel,

You AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqk! It is a fhuqking shame,that you don't have the 5 IQ Points requisite,to cypher your INCREDIBLE Dumbfhuqktitude. Wow!

Now you use "all" of your "experience","knowledge" and "results" as a Trump Card to choose Killing Glass and the drumroll reveals a fhuqking Swaro Z6 3-18x SFP fhuqking piece of schit,replete with BR reticle?!? Say that again...because that schit is fhuqking FUNNY!

Great time to wax eloquent on your vaunted 300Wby's particulars,muse boolits and correlate POA/POI intersections,as per your EPIC Goat Fhuqk. REALLY delve into the "nuances",correlating reticle subtension to focal plane and erector adjustment values and connect them dots. Laughing! If it helps,tell yourself that the chambering is unknowed to me. Re-laughing!

Talk about zero range,projectile areo form,launch velocity,impact velocity,wind slipping and how "fast" the Z6 3-18x's SFP BR reticle is to press into service. Hell...it'll gawddamned nearly allow 16MOA of subtension! Laughing! I know,I know...to "speed" things up,you drop a coupla gears,to "add capability". Re-laughing!

State yet again,how your "vast" "experience","knowledge" and "results" has made the fhuqking POS Z6 3-18x SFP BR reticle "The Holy Grail". It WILL be fhuqking funny,I can ASSURE you that. Then mebbe mention as frosting,that the fhuqking piece of schit houses a "whopping" 65MOA of erector travel too. Go ahead and Google it all,so you are "armed". Laughing!

Only a Fence-Hopping Dink Sluicing Drooling Dumbfhuqk would begin to endorse such an epic Goat Fhuqk. Congratulations? Explain how/why you get giddy about "lightning fast" subtension values that are 1.7,3.4,5.2,6.9,8.6,10.3,13.8 and 15.5 MOA in their "splendor". Couple that with your 30cal "savvy",keen boolit "selection" and extrapolate how schlepping LESS than (1) Fixed Fhuqker erector revolution worth of SFP holdoff,is of "merit". Read that again. Now one more time. Answer CAREFULLY. Laughing!

To frost that sorta incredible fhuqking STUPIDITY,one would need to go CM/Walnut,9-lugs,add a muzzle brake and rock Coke bottle glasses. Ooops!!!!!! Laughing!

The only thing you shoot is your mouth and Imagination,which fuel your Delusions and grant you enough Pretend,that you fhuqking THINK you have a first fhuqking clue. Sweetheart...you sure as fhuqk do NOT. Hint.

Do not let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt and should it help bolster your courage...be sure to dangle a pic of a Humpie!

Holy fhuqking schit,oh soooooooooooo fhuqking wow!. Cain't know which is funnier,the pending silence or an attempt to smooth STUPID over as a "choice"?!?

Laughing!......................
















blairvt,

Shake your head,to erase everything you think you "know" about scopes,pour a cup of coffee and write the following down...so as to apply same. Facts is intellesting,to the astute. Hint.

Firstly,boolits matter farrrrrrrrrrrr more than headstamps. Few hate the '06 more than I. Mainly because few have shot the chambering more than I. In a nutshell,it is a poor trade in Performance,as per recoil investment. Too easy to slap it fhuqking silly in a short action,reap a handier/dandier parcel and tote a platform that is FUN enough to get used often. Spent primers remain THE Supreme Tutorial,despite it being fashionable for Drooling Dumbfhuqks to muse the opposite being the case. Facts is never not intellesting.(grin)

Anywhoo,let's do you as many favors as possible,while tossing courteous assumptions,which'll leave you an out or two. My charity and good nature is boundless in it's volume.

No matter what Make/Model your '06 is,there are some constants that'll reliably bear fruit and fixatin' them,will connect dots by default. The opening constant is twist rate,in that it'll ASSUREDLY stabilize a 155 Skinner,which is both warm and fuzzy. Hint.

Odds are,your barrel is 22" or better and coupled with the above Skinner,that means 3000fps launch velocities are soundly in the bag. That boolit happens to be a nice blend of aero form and integrity,which'll connect alotta dots in regards to flight characteristics,terminal affects,Precision and recoil quotient. Let's grant a sealevel elevation and standard atmosphere,as opening moves of extrapolation,from which to connect dots and fast track simplification. Mainly because them is WORST case scenarios,in regards to drop/drift.

With said boolit at 3000fps,a 250yd zero is arranged by being +.8" high at 50yds,+2.4" at 100yds and of course on the money at 250yds. Do not get greedy or Shrapnel schit,by painting yourself in a Coke bottle corner. Hint.

What that does outta the gate,is garner all the merit outta the chambering/boolit proper,less getting into midrange woe,which is a greater disparity betwixt Point Of Aim(POA) and Point Of Impact(POI). Nice way of sayin',you cain't make a Big Game Critter small enough,to induce POA/POI woe from the muzzle to the 300yd line(-3.4" low). So with but a lick of sense,you've mitigated any/all Critterly Scenarios from the muzzle to the 300yd line and that with a POS fhuqking '06. Them is what we in da' bidness call,making your own "luck".

Enter the 6x MQ Fixed fhuqker,it's HUGE erector travel,finite erector input value and reticle which subtends same in lineal fashion. Whatcha see,is literally whatcha get.

Now let's enter into your initial concerns and address how one arranges POA/POI intersections,at distances beyond a zero,that'd induce midrange heartache. Here's how you set,with the 250 zero...actually ZERO'd.



To split hairs at the 400yd line,with the boolit cited in the atmosphere mentioned and zero'd as stipulated,you'd need 14.8" of elevation correction...which just happens to be 1 Mil. Now Shrapnel can finger fhuqk zoom selection on her SFP'd Goat Fhuqk,fog up her Coke bottles and do her best to convince herself that she's REALLY in the "know"...but dat ain't how any cookie crumbles. Hint.

Here is that 400yd correction,dumped in the erector. "Clicks" are 1/10 Mil,50 to a revolution,which is 5 Mils and there's 8.5 total revolutions,in said glass. You will easily reap half of that,with a "flat" base,which will grant 21+ Mils of available erector travel,after zeroing the rifle at the 250yd line.

Again,the 1 Mil 400yd correction requisite,to paste crosshair intersection,to correlate POA/POI upon said victim.



Less is more and subtension constants,will bear nothing other than simplistic Precision,with unerring consistency. Most scope Manufacturers go wildly outta their fhuqking way,to fhuqk that schit up and Swaro is more glaring than most,with their Drooling Dumbfhuqkery coupling big zoom shifts,schit reticles,exceedingly modest 30mm tube erector travel and SFP. Someone with 6 IQ Points or better,would howl with laughter at the very notion and immediately getta kick outta the inherent Dumbfhuqkery associated,with dropping that many balls in one offering. Fairly fhuqking impressive actually!(grin)

To frost the ake,the MQ Fixed Fhuqker's erector,jives 100% with it's etched reticle's subtension values...so you can arrange POA/POI intersections,however mood/circumstance dictates.

This image is Chris's and you should be able to bump the bitch with your cursor and get a better eye-fhuqk outta the deal. The first tick mark below crosshair intersection is .5 Mil,the next longer mark is 1 Mil from center and it follows ascending order,to 10 Mils of total elevation subtension. You'll quickly note how easy it is to interpolate correction correlations,betwixt whole Mil and half Mil values. Again keep in mind,that the erector adjustment values follow suit in their adjustment. Such things more than sorta steal Swaro's Goat Fhuqk "thunder". Laughing!

Place the first whole Mil tick mark on a 400yd distant Elk's face and that's where the Skinner will go. EVERY fhuqking time. Hint.



Now let's muse things a leetle further down the line,while keeping your existing rifle a constant and simply squirting GOOD boolits for a change. MOA/Mils/Inches fhuqk alotta folks up and I'll never understand why?!? Many "think" that there's something new to "learn" and that they'll haveta take their shoes off,count on fingers AND toes,to extrapolate erector inputs,which will align POA/POI intersections. NOTHING could be farther offa the fhuqking mark. Simply toss your data in a Ballistics Program(JBM is very warm and very fuzzy for me),hit "calculate" and you are there. It is a typical scenario in which great data entered,yields great data calculated and glass of repute upon a proven rifle,will make dot connections a breeze,on the first pass.

Here is your '06/Skinner/250yd dope in both inches(for mind fhuqk extrapolations) and Mil correction,which can be applied via reticle or turret...even a melding of both.



The comeups and 10mph FULL value drift corrections are in 50yd increments. Want to shoot something in the fhuqking face at the 850yd line in a 25mph full value wind?!? Simply hammer the erector with 5.6 Mils of up and slide the reticle into the wind for 5 Mils of correction. 10mph full value is 2 Mils,the wind velocity is 2.5x that at 25MPH and the lineal extrapolation is a 5 Mil correction. That took about 3 seconds to input on the rifle and looks thusly.



With dope dumped in the erector for ele,wind is easily slid on the horizontal,which again easily affords 1/10 Mil correction subtension. I always factor wind at 10mph full value on all of my stock's drop charts,because extrapolating wind velocity in relation to that constant,is a literal breeze. Pun be intended. NO matter the distance,5mph wind is gonna be halfa 10mph correction,at the same angle. 15mph is gonna be 1.5x same. 25mph is 2.5x the static value's input. So if you had a friend stupid enough to place his hat at the 1000yd line and your Spidey Senses told you that there was a 2mph full value breeze wafting,then the correction would be but .5Mils at that distance. Dump 7.9 Mils in the erector and slide .5 Mil,tap the trigger and shrug your shoulders at the ease.

Here's 7.9 Mils(1000yd poke with your rifle),which is still well shy of (2) complete revolutions on the erector. Hold height at crosshair intersection and slide wind as per conditions.

You are again less than 3 seconds into the fray,to input finite POA/POI intersection. Hint.



Now if only to frost up Coke bottles once again,it is only fair to mention that a zero-stop is easily introduced into the system,which will preclude getting "lost" on an erector,housing better than TWICE the fhuqking piece of schit Swaro's adjustment "range".

With your rifle as it sets,the boolit cited and wearing a 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker in the saddle,you'll easily be able to paste crosshair intersection to the 1500yd line(sub 20 Mil correction). Wherever your crosshair intersection is,when the shot breaks...is where you'll find your Skinner's resting place. Facts are never not intellesting.(grin)

Now I get it that CLUELESS Day Dreaming Drooling Dumbfhuqks gotta talk out their asses,about that which they "know" and "do" the least of and luckily for them,Imagination and Pretend are free. It's never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.(grin)

Spend 300 Clams and live a LOT. Then simply shoot,shoot,shoot and do it again. You'll quickly realize how easy it is to control POA/POI intersections and bask in the glow of rugged reliability and wide open windows of opportunity.

Hint.

You've been led to water.

Thank me later..........................















'nut,

It's funnier than fhuqk,that it'd take you 50 Lifetimes to savvy what an incredible piece of fhuqking schit CDS is,due "all" that you "do".

Bless your heart.................















'farmer,

CDS with TDS?!? Holy fhuqking schit you are on a roll!

A 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker blows EVERY notion you are able to conjure...outta the fhuqking water.

Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess.

Hint................















hoalie,

Perhaps have someone read this Thread to you aloud,numerous times,in the unrealistic hope that you may eventually be able to understand.

You go girl!.....................















Dre,

Don't be in a hurry,to make bad decisions. Hint.

Vortex sucks heavy ass and Vipers don't track for fhuqk. EVERY single soul who's put one on paper at 100yds and conducted a lineal tracking tests,has RAPIDLY aborted the platform in favor of Fixed Fhuqkers. They wander like a Mad Woman going to take a schit.

Dump 1000MOA++ in a Fixed Fhuqker and the bitch repeats,like it has fhuqking eyes....shot after fhuqking shot,after fhuqking shot. Hint.

Why make yourself try to get a hankerin' for the taste of a Schit Sandwich...when you could knock 'er outta Da' Park by literal default?!?

Even YOU know you are fhuqking up.(grin)

Punt before it costs you big.

Hint.........................















'iker,

Fascinating revelation of your's,to so succinctly put your Incredible Fhuqking Stupidity into context,so quickly.

Congratulations?!?

Someone who "knows" as "much" as you,is always going to be BEST served by asking questions,rather than trying to give "answers".

Hint.

Laughing!.................

Stick,

I've actually been very happy with the CDS on the VX6. It has tracked perfectly for me and been repeatable. Have you tried one, or is this one of "them all" you mention?

We've been down this road before about you having some kind of corner on the shooting market. I do my fair share, though I'm not apt to speak down to those who have questions or have not chose to make shooting and hunting their primary hobby.

This represents what I "caught" under the press in a couple of months. Probably nearly as many scattered in the corners of the gun room and collected in the bottom of the shop vac.

In your own words, forgive me for being afforded the luxury of not having to guess...hint.

Not in the same scope, Stick.

TDS was a SFP 6-18 Swaro.

CDS with various Leupolds, which works well to 400-500 yds.

I don't shoot at much stuff beyond those distances. If I did, I'd be more interested in the fine art of LR turrets.

One twist is more than enough for me.

DF

Big stick....If I didn't know better, you try to sound like a bad as* know it all. I bet you're just trying to compensate for something and maybe your avatar should be 'tiny stick'.
I Know I'm not perfect when it comes to writing, but your grammar and spelling give me a head ache trying to decipher your replies.

30 cal 155gr Skinner? What bullet are we talking about here?

Lapua Scenar

Thank you.

Bless your heart.

David

Shrap

Its pretty comical hearing about your vast experience and you are incapable of using turrets. I think you're the one with reading comprehension skills - the rifle was a side note, he was asking about scopes and the most simple to use system. I simply stated my opinion. Everything else has been a response to you quoting my posts and directing your comments at me. Take your own advice.


Curious why you go out the way to avoid the question about the number of rounds you shoot per year.


GFY

David

David, strictly asking out of curiosity....... Are you of the mindset that he who shoots the most rounds per year is a more effective hunter/killer?

So, you're saying he DIDN'T get the elk?!?!?!?!

Laff'n

Best thread ever.

I think that the logic of the old saying, "All roads lead to Rome", applies here.

I now understand, answer a question in a civil manner and you become a turd magnet. I am amazed that so many well informed decent people continue to post.


mike r

SSS DD

Because not everyone chooses to behave in a decent manner?

JG

No, I'm not saying that.

David

Thanks Stick, for the tutorial. The pictures are certainly helpful in understanding the concepts.

Wow. Some people are passionate about this subject. Thanks to those who helped. I still don't know what kind of scope to get though! I did get the Elk, dropped in his tracks.

Nice!

I would make the observation that some people giving advice also posted pictures with their elk.

Some, well.......

I thought it was pretty good myself!

The technical discussions were what I found interesting. Killing elk at 400 yards if the distance is known is not a real trick and even a lowly 4X scope will pull it off nicely....IF the shooter is intimately familiar with elk and the trajectory of the load at that distance.But there are limits to doing things that way.

There is no doubt these modern scopes put a different slant on things,and make the process a WHOLE lot simpler.

What was that line at the end of that movie again?

"I said I didn't have much use for one. I didn't say I didn't know how to use one."

You are making the assumption that someone can't do something based off a statement that they prefer to do something else.

You should write a book.

Come to think of it, you just did.

Tom Selleck's famous line in Quigley Down Under.

DF

....yip, yip, yip...

David

I don't know, to me it almost makes things more complicated as there are so many different choices out there and several proven ways of connecting at longer range that are each very different.


I think the OP needs to first define a budget, secondly decide if he wants to spin turrets or use a ballistic reticle. After that we could discuss variable scopes vs fixed, first focal plane vs second focal plane and so on...

No matter which way the OP goes, nothing will substitute for time spend at the range.

JMHO

Niiiice

Maybe it comes down to field credibility and Shrapnel has it in spades.

All roads lead to Rome, there are many ways to skin a cat, whatever other cliche that says that, in most cases, there isn't just one right way to do anything.

Or so it seems to me.

That said, all of my elk have been shot at under 200+/- yards, so hold-over or dialing in elevation was never an issue. Besides, wouldn't turrets be out of place on a Remington 760?

Funny. It doesn't address your logical fallacy, but it is funny.

Got any pics of your elk hunting successes?

Me, now, I don't hunt other than in the woods, and spinning turrets would make as much sense as, well, listening to you say that someone "can't" use turrets because they choose to use a reticle for their hunting.......

Spinning works. So does holding-over with a reticle. They are not mutually exclusive, and, it can be argued that neither one is ideal for all conditions. Especially since we're talking hunting, not punching paper or rocks.

I didn't realize this was a popularity contest. Or an elk hunting thread.

The guy asked for help with being able to shoot longer distances cause he realized he wasn't prepared on his last trip. I made a recommendation that he hold off buying a new boomer or the most expensive ballistic reticle available on the market until he spent a little time getting comfortable shooting longer ranges and suggested the cheapest way possible that I know of to accomplish same.

Then the guy who sends more rounds down range than 99.99% of the posters on the forum starts in on me about how ridiculous the practice suggestion is and I don't know anything about it cause I'm in Louisiana. Then the recommends the same guy that doesn't know what he's doing buy an even bigger, harder recoiling magnum and a scope that is one of the schittiest tracking scopes made (wonder why he considers turret twisting so "risky").


David

You suck a mean ass.


David

Matt you're right.if you shoot enough, it becomes simple.

I ordered a 6X MQ yesterday. Doubt it will take long to "get it'. I've been tutored by experts.

If you want to see "hard", try going back to pre LRF days when you had to dope distance using just the reticle of a fixed 4 power,and eyeballing 400-500 yards to a 6x6 you really wanted and came 2000 miles to kill.....THAT was tough. Doable....but tough.

We have more technology to assist us today. It's easier.

In my mind it doesn't get much easier than looking at a drop chart, dialing to that number, and holding dead on. Don't have to memorize anything, don't need your scope at max power, don't have to guess at holdover...

Really easy to argue with that IMO. Nowhere near the way I see it.......

Translation: nope, I ain't got any pictures of the elk I've taken, because there ain't any.

Pics of dead elk are relevant how?


Did the OP ask for elk hunting advice?


Did I give elk hunting advice?


I don't know what I enjoy more - Shrapnel posting his straw man arguments to make up for his lack of understanding on how to make turrets work or you down on your knees sucking his ass, regurgitating same with nothing to offer on your own. Like a little boy listening to the men talk and not having enough understanding of the subject to form his own opinion, instead jumping in to defend his hero.

Bless your heart.

David

I killed chit at 2-3x the distance you ever will.

GFY

And, yeah, he was asking about elk hunting. If you could read, you'd know that.

No reason get your panties in a knot.

Please quote/bold the request for elk hunting advice:



Bless your heart.

David

Um, the part where he shot an elk, them asks advice because he is going to go back. Presumably to shoot ANOTHER ELK.

That part indicates we are talking about elk hunting.

For a guy that talks so much chit about reading comprehension you really don't have a clue what a question is do you?

I noticed you were as afraid to quote the request for elk hunting advice in the OP's post as you are to cite specifics about shooting at longer distances or using turrets.

What ranges have you killed chit at? I know (as you plainly stated) its at least 2-3x further than I have, but what's the number? Have pictures to prove it? Pictures w/ a piece of scrap card board and a handwritten yardage denotation are the best proof.

Bless your simple little heart.

David

Popularity and credibility aren't the same thing.

However, in Mr. S's case, he is both incredibly popular and impeccably credible, the best of both worlds, no?

He advised an inexperienced long range shooter to purchase a 300weatherby to improve their long range shooting, mocks another poster who advises a more cautious approach and lots of practice with an easy to shoot cheap rifle combination, and describes turret twisting as "risky", then receives a round of praise from the minions about his sage advice.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

David

Killed stuff with TOW missiles. Tanks. APC's. Stuff that was shooting back.

A mile plus.

GFY.

And, again, going back to the actual OP, he was talking 400 yards give-or-take.

At an elk.

Still having trouble with English 101 and the quote function I see.


Why are you spewing your angst on me? I didn't make post after post calling you out over a topic I knew nothing about - that was you.

Bless your heart.

David

Still waiting on YOUR elk pics.

Gonna be a while, eh?

In this case, agreeing to disagree is OK with me, not that it matters in any way.

Ballistic Reticles are $hit compared to scopes/turrets that actually track correctly. That ain't a guess.......

Imagine that that 6x6 shoots back your getting closer. Or your trying to sell 1/2 a million dollars worth of Ammo at a demo and your customers don't care for misses.

Yup. No way in hell you can shoot an elk reliably at 400 yards other than dialing the dope.....

Gotta laugh at the people that think anything other than their way, the BEST way, is chit, even if it works.

Awsome! Bet that ain't Louisiana!

'nut,

The V-6 is far from warm or fuzzy. Reupold has more interest in hooking stupid fhuqkers like you,rather than building glass that rocks. Less IS sooooooooo fhuqking much more.

Muse a smidge in regard to the platform(s) you used as a "Test Bed" and the paces same was run through. Laughing!

You Drooling Dumbfhuqks are a hoot!............















'farmer,

CDS doesn't work "well" anywhere and TDS is a fhuqking joke everywhere.

Hint................















Dre,

No need to reiterate your sheer and utter cluelessness,as it's a touch beyond OBVIOUS. It's your Imagination,be sure to Pretend with it as you must. Bless your heart.

Weren't my intent to horn you up,but you "hard charging" Cock Gawkers are always in a haste,to try and cram more things in your mouths and asses. Congratulations?!?

Here's a CLASSIC Cock Gawking Crowd Pleaser.



Exceedingly GOOD call to refrain ALL things The Rifle and go right to your Vagina Monologue instead.

You Drooling Dumbfhuqks are a gawwdamned riot!.................















444'

I hear good things about the 155 Skinner myself.

Along with the 105 and 250................(grin)
















'9,

Do NOT underestimate how "real" The Do Nothing Gang's Imagination and Pretend is,to them.

Shrapnel's amazing dumbfhuqktitude is never not amazing,in it's sheer volume and frosted nicely with the fact...that she's always trying her BEST.

FUNNY schit!.....................















'Raider,

You make Savage99 look like Rambo.

Here's to you doing your best,as you hop barbed wire and scream "Get some!" as you dog into a haybale...for yet another "trying" shot.

It remains funnier than fhuqk,that you are "blessed" with enough Stupidity,that you "think" you have a first fhuqking clue.

The Texas version of EVERYTHING,is simply fhuqking hilarious!

You go girl!.....................















goalie,

Do not "forget" the age old constant,in that you are always gonna be best served,by fhuqking yourself...simply due the fact that you will get more poosy.

Congratulations?!?

At least Imagination and Pretend are priced in sucha manner,that you can partake.

Laughing!..................















260gal,

EPIC fhuqking humor,that it takes someome as fhuqking INCREDIBLY gawwdamned stupid and clueless as you,to concoct the delusion(s) that Shrapnel has a first fhuqking clue.

Don't "forget" that you "can't read" this. You Lying Clueless Fhuqks are a riot!

Laughing!....................
















'NH,

THAT was close...I nearly ordered a 30mm Swaro with 65MOA,SFP,6x zoom,schit eye-relief,Goat Fhuqked reticle and wandering zero.

Laughing!................















'muchgun,

bsa and poor poor stupid fhuqking Shrapnel,shoot and "do" a like "amount". Steal away their Imagination and it's Pretend and there's nothing left...and THAT would be mean.

Farrrrrrrrrrrrr fhuqking more entertaining,to dangle copious slack on the rope and watch the show..................(grin)















starsky,

Nothing is warmer or fuzzier than facts.

Fact(s) is an increased zoom ratio,reduced erector travel,dogschit reticle and SFP...do not bolster POA/POI percentages. Mainly due the FACT,that it cannot.(grin)

Not that I don't enjoy the humor of Dumbfhuqkers being STUPID enough,to convince themselves otherwise.

Funny schit!

It's never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.........................(grin)

I'm sure that's pretty hard.

My point was, we had what we had years back....which wasn't what it is today. Lots more tools at our disposal today.

Epic. Can you handily kill animals at 400-500 without turrets? Of course.

Is it the best way to go, especially if you might stretch that? Of course not.

On a computer instead of a phone today.

Here ya go: I highlighted the relevant parts.

GFY

Sometimes its's tough to stay on topic.

'NH,

After seeing the light...NOONE is tough enough to say "connecting like that,do not interest me".

Everyone cuts checks and lots of 'em.................(grin)















'pole,

SFP,schit reticles,modest ele correction,hilarious zoom selection and wandering zero...ain't The Way?!?

Who'da' fhuqking thunk it!

Laughing!..............















goalie,

The relevant part,is the fact that you are a Clueless Drooling Dumbfhuqk...as a BEST case scenario.

I plainly cited the POA/POI correlation facts which are germane and congratulations upon being fhuqking STUPID enough,to have it all fly over your pointy fhuqking head.

Can you even remember the last time you were Outdoors?!? 12 Bucks thus far today,no HOGS yet...but they be movin'.

Film at 11:00.

Bless your heart.................















Ringmam,

It's always been easy to tell who shoots and who don't. You couldn't cypher if Christ was Crucified,or died of the fhuqking schits.

Funniest part of course bein',it's a fhuqking cartoon ruse to coddle simple minded Sheep and only THE dumbest of fhuqks lap it up.

Congratulations?!?

Laughing!

Do not let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt.................

You right about that.

We can't seem to grow'em that big.

Saskatchewan.

DF

Naw...

Not here...

DF

Wow!

What a joke this Big Stick guy is! He should call himself Big DICK instead.

Sad that he's allowed to post on this forum.

NEVER have I seen anyone be as disrespectful as this clown.

Yup. Teaching the 12-year old girl how to shoot 'em



and skin 'em




and even teaching the Liberian lady from work how awesome handguns and shotguns are





Not to mention just being a good parent in-general





Thanks for reminding me though.

Not condoning his "literary" style or social graces, he has experience with turrets, photography and such.

And, when in the right mood, he's a good teacher. I've learned stuff from him and he can be very patient with someone wanting to learn.

He loves ruffling feathers, however and is pretty good at it...

I think it's his form of cheap entertainment...

DF

It may be his way of entertaining himself, but he's still an azzhole. I don't know how anyone can learn from the gibberish he writes.

Well, you see, it's either his way or you're wrong. Because shooting an elk-sized target at 400 REQUIRES spinning, doncha know?

What I think is funny is the sycophants that are so afraid of pissing him off that their heads is so far up his azz that if he turned too quick their necks would break.

It is fun to go back and read where he was offered the chance to go shoot at long range against someone he was talking smack about/to for money and, well, let's just say he "declined" the invitation.

Laff'n

Well, I guess I is hooked. The scope has performed well so far and the glass is better than most anything I've peered through. Nothing on the "windshield", but enough 'comeuptitude' to get the particular platform it is mounted on out as far as I care to poke shots at critters on purpose. The platform is based on a Mod70, but is far from anything Winchester spit out of the factory. Krieger barrel screwed on and spits 210 VLDs nicely. However, my favorite headstamps include those rounds based on the tree-o-eight. 260 Rem is my favorite, but I've been playing with a 7mm-08/162s and a 308 Montucky that loves 155 skinners lately. Fast twist 223s are also something I've been playing with, mostly on AR platforms, but I've also played with a 77 that probably will end up going down the road to finance a build.

Yep, I've got VXIIIs, VX3s, VX2s, VXIIs, even VX1s, fixed(fuggers) with M1s and a Redfield or two on woods guns carried in the East. Sold the Zeiss and even a swaro, since I have concluded that they are not worth the price. Don't own a Burris or a B&L (Bushy) or a Nikon any longer as they offer me nothing of interest.

I hate to admit it to YOU, but I do have a couple of super chickens. Great scopes for the cabbage and reaching out with precision. Not so much at gathering light, compared to quite a few. Not the scope I care to mount on every rifle I own, and that's more than a few.

Platforms include everything from 77s (not a big fan), 70s (pretty ones to look at) and levers to Kimbers (hated the first one, but learned to persuade 'em and since have a few more) and 700s (I can do more with 700s). Got a couple of Tikkers that have yet to disappoint, despite being eat up with the ugly and the plastic. Rocks, ice and rivers don't phase 'em.

I've hunted just about every state in the Union and much of Canada. Have not hunted the Big Island. Most of the hunting I have done does not require dots or dials, but I do like punching paper and banging steel...nearly every day on the farmstead. Deer are just my favorite to hunt. Maybe because they are the tastiest.

Some time I will look you up. Maybe you can gimme some tips on my equipment and my shootin form, as well as sharpen up my Huskys and Stihls. I'll help you get stuff off that top shelf you can't reach. Hahaha. Deal?

What I think is funny is the number of people who imitate him. You know what they say about imitation.

Oh, I could never be that short or insecure, and my mother raised me with manners.

betting that blairvt won't ask any more questions here about scopes.

I think he got his money's worth...

DF

Reading that made me spit ice tea all over my screen.

There's just something about the 'Fire and optics (mostly scopes) that really fire this crew up. Especially Big Chick. But in all honesty, the little guy knows his chit. He just thinks no one else does, and could use an effective communication course.

What's the matter with you two? He wasn't asking a scope question!

Sheesh where's goalie when you need him....

David

so, anyone know what scope I should get? On a MSgt budget with 2 little kids

Now, what's that got to do with this thread...

Sorry, I just had to say that, couldn't help myself...

DF

On a LA rifle, I'd still push for the VX-3 3.5-10x40 CDS. Lot of scope for the buck and the CDS should work well for what you're doing.

I suggested a .300 WM, but agree with posters that your 30-06 is adequate for the task and you wouldn't have to buy another rifle.

To me, up to 400 yds. is one scenario, out to 800-1,000 yds is an entirely different proposition. I belong to the former camp, not the latter. Lot of the suggestions are in the latter camp.

There are those here who like a fixed 6X with an elevation turret, like an FX 6x42 with M1 turret, a custom shop combo. That would work, I just like the variable 3.5-10x40.

IMO,

DF

Isn't this far enough to need turrets?

She actually got pretty damn good with the GP100 and full-power .357's at 20 yards.

Good enough that she got her permit and bought one.

Usually they like the G19

The G19 - the ultimate beginner's gun, yet still serviceable in any situation that calls for a handgun.

Sent you a pm. I've got 2(be 3 in a couple weeks or so) little kids too...

'68,

Is there not ANYTHING,that you Whining Kchunts won't fhuqking Whine about?!? Looking forward to you holding your breath,then stomping your itty-bitty feet,to really drive your Vagina Monologue home.

I'll feign my "surprise",that yet another Drooling Dumbfhuqk skirted ALL things The Rifle,just to slip in some Estrogen Chronicles.

Bless your heart,you Clueless Do Nothing Fhuqk..................















goalie,

I enjoy your Imagination and it's Pretend,gawddamned fhuqking nearly as much as you do...though for VERY different fhuqking reasons. Laughing!

Perhaps you'll be "lucky" enough,to be the first Do Nothing Kchunt to Whine herself happy?!? That'd be quite the Achievement. Laughing!

How close didja' come to going Outdoors today?!? Only 8 Bucks this morning and the monsoons got me thinkin' "Cast & Blast",so swung by the house to grab a Sage and a Loomis,along with some waders...so as to partake. Must be REALLY "fulfilling" for you to exercise your Imagination and it's Pretend,while "living" vicariously. I'm torn on a size #2 or #4 hook,given the increasing volume of the angry water. Thoughts?!?

162's in the BABLR are a given,to contend the Hurricane.



Laughing!

The hilarity of your Couchbound Kchunt is belly-laugharific.

Congratulations?!?

You go girl!.....................















'nut,

I rather enjoyed your Turd Polishing Chronicles...that is some seriously fhuqking FUNNY schit! You really get after it!

Few things funnier than a Clueless Fhuqk,doing her best to "critique" things beyond her "ability".

Bless your heart...that was really "compelling" "Testimony". mebbe add some pics,to take humor to yet another fhuqking level.

Laughing!

Wow +P++..................















'9,

Ask hoalie to post a few pics,of her BEST "efforts".

It is fhuqking FUNNY!

Hint..............














'farmer,

No matter the action length,boltface,headstamp,twist rate or projectile...CDS is still a steaming pile of fhuqking schit. Mainly due "design". Hint.

Variables cain't hang with Fixed glass...again due to design. Less is soooooooo often more,but it's funnier than fhuqk to grant Clueless Fhuqks opportunity to expound upon their Cluelessness.

Rest assured,it is only fhuqking funny,because you gals are in fact doing your BEST.

On a S/A or a L/A,I couldn't/wouldn't go belt on a dare and in 30cal,I've only had 'em in 308Win,Twatt-Sixx,ShamWow,Whizzum,300Winny,300H&H,300Wby,300 Super and 30-378.

Pass the Montucky 7Whizzum/6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker and 162's at 3100fps ala 250yd zero...if only because I have all the T-shirts.

Hint.

Bless your heart!...............
















'Boomer,

Adjustable sights...are turrets,you AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqk. Hint.

If it helps your Imagination and it's Pretend,be SURE to tell yourself I've never seen a GP-100 in either 4" or 6". Laughing!

Pass the dot sight,speed of acquisition,fhuqk parallax and keep subtension to 3MOA or less. Been on fire with my Marvel Unit One on the Kimber TLE.



Google it. As an aside,who chews your food for you?!?

Laughing!..................


































Magnumdoosh,

Still tough to get giddy about a Grock,in any configuration................
















'Tim,

LOVE The Secret Squirrel Schit...that takes humor to new fhuqking levels!

Here's hoping that the exceedingly modest 300 Clam "investment" to connect ALL dots and ring the fhuqking bell,is a "Life's" savings! Don't mention Black Friday or The SampleList.

Ooooops!!!!


Build it...and they will come.




Laughing!.................

WTF? You sure are all worked up over this thread. Later.

Big Chick,

Glad to oblige. Hope you sew as well as you shoot. Hemming those skirts to fit your sawed-off azz takes mad skills, I'm sure! Laffin'!

By the way, Big Chick,

Shootin pistols and revolvers with optics mounted is akin to competing in the special olympics. Can't hit the broad side of a spruce stump otherwise? That's a friggin shame. Laffin!

Just found this thread and find it hilarious.

Somebody challenge shrapnel to a "long range elk face-off"

I double dog-fugkin'-dare-ya'.



Travis

PS-Don't make this request unless you like struttin' roosters. Because strut he shall.

Actually nobody challenged Shrapnel to anything, he just felt the need to mention repeatedly how many elk he has killed.

Does Shrapnel make you make posts like this so you you can misfire ammunition in the wrong rifle on private hunts or is it just something you enjoy?

David

Nobody makes me do anything.

I just know that when it comes to shooting animals at longe range, he has done it more than anybody I have ever met.

Feel free to prove me wrong.




Dave

The butt hurt is strong in this thread.

Pass the Axis '06 and 5-20x50 Millett.

Tanner

Travis,

Clearly you have no hidden agenda.

I never said he hasn't or couldn't - just the opposite actually.

I only indicated that mere mortals that don't fire tens of thousands of rounds a year might practice a little bit before they start trying to pick out "the best" anything for shooting long range. That's when your daddy felt the need to recount all the elk that he's killed and singled me out for daring to speak because I'm from Louisiana of all places!

Please don't misrepresent the facts for comedic (or hunting rights access) effects.

Regards,

David

and getting stronger by the second....

David

This oughta work. Got's components for everyone...

I would say shrapnel's accounts of killing elk are fairly applicable to a thread about scopes for elk hunting. I tend to listen to dudes that have stacked 'em up, even if I'm a turret dialing type dude.

I love how shooting an elk at 400 yards becomes the freaking Wimbledon Cup at Perry to some people.

See, that's the really interesting part.

I never directly counter indicated anything that Shrapnel said - I was actually typing my post when he posted. Again, I told the poster I didn't think he had enough experience to make a good decision on what would work for him and suggested the cheapest path I knew to get that experience. A path that many suggested to me when I expressed a similar interest. I found it to be excellent advice and basically reposted what had helped me.

Then Shrapnel decided because I'm living in Louisiana I needed a reprimand. The only discussion I had with Shrapnel was in direct response to his posts to me. Later when he kept pressing me, yes I told him I thought it was stupid to advise a green long range shooter to buy a 300 Weatherby and a ballistic reticle Swaro - do you think that's the best plan for a newbie long range shooter?

David

David

You and me both.

I love turrets and I love SS's.



Travis

I wouldn't call the OP a newbie, he has hunted elk and wants to be better at killing elk. I can't really say I GAF about any hurt feelings on any end but I would have no qualms chasing elk with a 300 Bee and a non-turret equipped scope.

Tanner

Depleted uranium has nothing on you for being dense. This is my original post and nowhere did I tell him he needed to do anything, just a response with what works for me. Show me where anything you posted has a single morsel of truth to it other than your minuscule infatuation with scopes I am sure you have little to no experience with. Keep your notions alive, and tell us all about your success shooting elk...

I love this place.....

I think somebody does.



Travis

Gonna have to agree to disagree with you there Tanner. There's a whole world of guys that don't know chit about rifles that are damned good hunters. The OP seems to fall in that category (that's actually worded too strong, but you get my meaning).

Let's

Review his post:



See - the problem that he recognizes is that he wasn't prepared to deal with the "long ranges". I know 400 yards isn't long range, but it seems like it is to the OP judging by his post. He's obviously a hunter just lacks the longer range shooting experience.

I suggested a path to getting the shooting experience. I didn't ask you if you would be ok with hunting or hunting with someone with a 300weatherby and a ballistic reticle. I asked if that's what you would recommend to a newbie long range shooter (not a newbie hunter)?

Again, the advice I had for him was to get familiar shooting a low recoiling caliber for 6 months or so as cheaply as possible before he invested big dollars in a new rifle / scope. Again, that's the advice that was given repeatedly to me on this forum when I wanted to learn to shoot longer ranges and I felt it was extremely helpful.

Again, I didn't say anything directly about Shrapnel or his advice until he decided I needed to be taken to the wood shed.

Please point out the error in my thought process (aside from the obvious mistake of not living in Montana).


Regards,

David

Shrap!

I was wondering where you were! Did your girl Friday call for some backup?

You are very much mistaken, I've shot many thousands of rounds with a SWFA SS 6x. No, I did not recommend that scope or any rifle for elk hunting, I recommend that the OP get some experience prior to buying big ticket items.

I realize you shoot at least 2-3x times that number of rounds in a season (yet don't think practice is advisable for anyone else), but still I found it sufficient to evaluate the scope enough to say it was a worthwhile tool to gain some proficiency.

Whoops there I go again, having an opinion from Louisiana....

David

The dude wants to hunt elk at 400 yards. He's clearly not going to shoot as much as Stick, or even you. A whole lot of simple solutions exist to his query short of buying a new rifle and shoot a thousand rounds a year, etc...

I'd be the last person to discourage shooting as much as you can as I shoot multiple times every week but for some it ain't that easy.

Tanner

Get it right Einstein! I swear, if someone paid $50,000,000.00 for a boxcar loaded with stupid people and they opened the door and you were the only person in there, they would have gotten their money's worth.

This is your post, after mine being critical of anything other than your limited view on this topic in regards to turrets only...

Stick,

Still tough to beat what amounts to a 17 round 9mm revolver. No decockers, safeties and other bells and whistles to confound beginners. Does almost every other striker system have a better trigger than a stock Glock?...yeah...but there are aftermarket triggers that make the Glock trigger eazzy squezzy.

Dear Montana Genius:

No that is part of my post - my post that didn't quote you or reference you or your opinion in any way shape or form. You chose to take it as a personal affront, but in fact I was typing my post when you were posting yours - didn't see it.

Again, in its entirety, some good advice that I was given on this forum that really helped me. I don't get to shot 20-30k rounds a year, no doubt if I did I could make most anything work. If I shot 20-30k rounds a year with Swaro scopes, no doubt I would have the same irrational fear of turning turrets that you do,



Edit:

Shrapnel, you stupid [bleep]!

This is COMPLETELY WRONG!



Your post couldn't have been in regards to my "limited view of the topic" because I hadn't posted yet. It's there for anyone that wants to review page 1. Don't worry Shrap, I'm not expecting you to be man enough to admit your stupidity or apologize for same.

David

'Boomer,

If laughing my ass off is "worked up"...then you SURE as fhuqk muchly underestimate the situation!

Bless your heart,you Do Nothing Day Dreaming Fhuqk.............















'nut,

Noone is slighting your Blue Parking Permit,nor the "merit" upon which it is bestowed. Congratulations?!?



The only thing you shoot is your mouth and Imagination....................















'flave,

A Swaro totin' Dumbfhuqk...sure as schit ain't gonna be in the race.

Hint...................















Tanner,

A coupla 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqkers and Illuminati's got sold today...as well as a BHW 18" Middie Wylde 1-8" Slim Shady spout. That along with a 22/45 Lite,Crimson Trace grips,77/22 OEM K-Hornet 20" setback/punch and The ULTIMATE Sleeper BABLR 7-08.

Noone can resist firsthand extrapolations and they just GOTTA follow suit,after gunning some side by each comparisons.

It woulda been a tough day to endorse Swaro SFP 6x zoom Dog Schit Reticle 65MOA erector Goat Fhuqks...but what fhuqking day AIN'T?!?

Laughing!................















goalie,

Do tell about how CLOSE you came to doin' sumptin' today.

Mebbe frost it,with how CLOSE you'll come tomorrow?!?

At least Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can afford to "contribute".

Laughing!...................
















Shrap,

Mebbe hang a Coke Bottle Humpie pic,to drive it ALL home?!?

Laughing!

Holy fhuqking schit...you AMAZINGLY Fhuqking Clueless Boob...............
















Magnumdoosh,

There's no way to sugarcoat a Grock....................















'9,

Boolits matter farrrrrrrr more than headstamps and that'd be one of many fhuqking reasons...that poor poor Stupid Fhuqking Shrap,knows better than to utter a single fhuqking word.

'Course it's gonna be more than a whole fhuqking bunch quiet in regards to twist,throat,COAL and everything else too. High Plains Fence Hoppin',really puts wares to the "test".

Laughing!................

Stick,

Ain't trying to sugar coat anything. A Glock is one of the ugliest pistols made. But, one ain't carrying it because it's purty. As you've said repeatedly, facts beat everything else hands down. A Glock 17 is the best self-defense handgun for someone who doesn't shoot a lot. It doesn't require fine motor skills to make it "hot". When the schitt hits the fan, your fine motor skills go out the window, unless your very, very well trained. You point it and pull the trigger, just as you would a revolver. No safety to disengage, no decocker to mistake as the safety and it feeds and ejects any ammo you want to feed it. The polymer frame soaks up a lot of recoil, helping those who are recoil shy. Additionally, it's affordable. All true.

That's definitely quote material.

I love this frigging place. This thread is a classic in the making. Always fun to see who is going to argue with someone who has been there and done it and willing to share their opinions/experience. There is always some knucklehead who is going to passionately disagree when neither is wrong, just different.

Always fun to see what new language and words Big Chick is going to create too. I think I will call it 'Elfish'. Big Chick speaks Elfish. Great fun.

An XP100 too? Never seen one. 243? 7-08? Wow. Cool... kin to a 700 kinda like a short bus is to a full-size bus. No SS on top? Can't hit chit with that. How's the windows taste, Chick?

This has been a hoot.

I don't want to be guilty of talking someone out of a new gun, but yours sounds fine. I just picked up one just like it.

Leupold will build you a scope customized for your load with the dots all in the right places for the ranges you want covered. that, and some practice using it with your rangefinder, may be all you need . Take a look at their Custom Shop page.

Alright, I'm looking at a Winchester extreme stainless in 300 Winchester mag. Thought about a Burris 4.5x14 ff II with a ballistic reticle. Also a Zeiss terra 4x12 with a ballistic reticle. I've read though that the Zeiss doesn't have much eye relief when turned up. I like the idea of stainless and synthetic rifle. My pretty sako stock came home from Colorado with some bruises. Guys who are cussing each other need not reply if it's just to put someone else down.

Magnumdoosh,

Fact is,a Grock is easily trumped. I'm fortunate to have never lost a bet big enough,to be forced to suffer one.

Hint................















'nut,

Solid bottom receivers of like diameter and shorter length,tend to help rigidity...which don't hurt Precision. Google it. Laughing!

Fixed Fhuqkers have no role aboard a pistole,especially mid-gripped...not that you'd know the difference. Google it. Laughing!

1000 words.



Always appreciate your Couchbound Commentary,as you set on your kchunt and let your Imagination and it's Pretend flow.

You "lucky" bitch!

Laughing!...............















'348,

What's REALLY fhuqking funny,is just how far you are in over your pointy fhuqking head. Now THAT is a fhuqking hoot!!!

Now your vast "experience","knowledge" and "results" grants you enough Imagination and Pretend to solicit a "custom" scope to "simplify" matters?!? Holy fhuqking dogschit,say that again...you poor poor STUPID fhuqk! Laughing!

Mebbe quantify these "magic" dots,in both their relative sizing and their proposed locale. Take the time to muse "particulars" on how you'd connect them dots and rest fhuqking assured,that your BEST "efforts" will be funnier than fhuqk and you won't even know why! Hint. Laughing!

Lemme give you a fhuqking "hint". Every gawwdamned fhuqking MQ Fixed Fhuqker,will soundly TRUMP your "magic" dots,in versatility,utility and speed. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.

Might you have a "custom" clock,that has only your wake-up time and nighty-night time on it's face? PLEASE say "yes"! Laughing! Where do you STUPID Fhuqkers dream this schit up at?!? Wow!

Here is what EVERY fhuqking chambering on the Planet,boolit on the Planet and every speed possible,will 100% RELIABLY synch to. Kudos on being able to fhuqk up something so utterly foolproof! Laughing!

Hint.

In '06 as plainly cited,it covers all distances from the muzzle to 1100yds+ ala 250yd Skinner zero.

Re-hint.




Someone who "knows" as "much" as you...is ALWAYS gonna be best served by asking questions,instead of giving "answers". Here's to the inherent hilarity of your MAGNIFICENT Dumbfhuqktitude's oblivious "splendor" and your being incapable of it's refrain!

Bless your heart...................















'rvt,

Wow! Now that "revelation" of your's is REALLY "surprising"! Laughing!

No schit...the fhuqking POS Goat Fhuqk Conquest's eye-relief is a gawwdamned joke?!? Schit oh dear...at least that weren't plainly cited initially,by them afforded the luxuries of not being forced to guess. Hint. Laughing!

I get it that you are a DUMB Fhuqk,but now you wanna "trump" that "finding" with an Epic Piece Of Fhuqking Schit Burris 4.5-14x SFP,Goat Fhuqk reticled,40MOA erector and it's SCHITTY eye-"relief"?!? Now THAT is some funny fhuqking schit!!!

Now just because I like watching facts fly over your pointy head,I'll reiterate a GLARING obvious,in that the 6x MQ's reticle alone,has more POA/POI latitude than the POS Burris do,with it's TOTAL erector travel and subtension reticle conjoined in totality at 14x. Hint.

There are 15 Mils+,for the takin'. Re-hint.

LOVED the new rifle notion too,beings you are currently operating your '06 at 10% of it's potential,as a BEST case scenario...you may as well procure a bigger piece of fhuqking schit,that you'll shoot even less. WOW!! Laughing!

Then mebbe "quantify" the Factory Fodder in 300Winny that "swooned" you and it'll be funnier than fhuqk to illustrate how the '06 you already have in hand,spanks it. That before musing the increase in COAL latitude,extry poke in the belly,losing the belt,reduced recoil,reduced fiscal requirement and Killer brass...if only for starters. Hint.

Now conjojn that Imagination and Pretend,with the "Magic" Dot Ploy espoused by poor poor fhuqking Stupid '348 and folks will haveta' put their seatbelts on to read this schit,just to keep from laughing themselves outta their fhuqking chairs!!! Hint.

Cheer up...NOONE can put you down,as well as you can...by you simply doing your BEST. Hint.

I told you plainly,to shake your fhuqking head and to erase EVERYTHING you "think" that you "know",then to take notes and apply same,if only because it will connect the most dots by default. Kudos on your being too fhuqking STUPID,so as to be incapable of even doing that "much"!

Wow +P+++.

BEST Thread Evah'!...............

A 300 mag is not necessary, but it will kill elk fine. Really your 30-06 will do everything you ever need it to. If you want a 300 win, though, I am not standing in your way. Pretty sure there's always a reason to "need" another rifle.

As for a scope, my elk hunting scopes are Leupold 6x42s. They are both on 30-06 rifles. One has the Long Range Duplex (LRD) reticle, with dots for shooting at 300 & 400 yards, and a post for 500. One has a Heavy Duplex (no turret, no dots). If you understand your bullet's trajectory (and it seems like you have this in hand), both of these scopes are good out to 400, if you are.

If you don't like fixed power scopes, there really are many choices that will meet what you want. Leupold VX-3 3.5-10, VX-6 (kind of bulky), Swaro Z3, Z5, Z6, Zeiss, etc. etc. etc. If I HAD to choose a variable scope I would probably pick a Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 for a long action, and I would probably pick a Boone and Crockett reticle.

You can also get a scope with a turret, if that's your preference. Reticles, holdover, turrets, they all work fine if you know how to use them. I like the reticle holdover because it's simple. The turrets are simple too, but it's one more thing to have to do just before the shot, when I really want to be watching the animal and thinking about a steady rest instead. That's why I like the reticle.

I imagined and pretend my way to fresh tenderloins tonight at deer camp.

Didn't even have to spin turrets, but I was outside.

Never a dull moment in the Optics Forum!

Big Chick,

You struggle with sarcasm, I see. That "pistol" is really nothing of the sort. And if you can notice a difference in the "precision" you are "pretending" more than anyone. But you seem to be the only one that hasn't come to the realization.

Yea, I have quite a bit of experience with hand-held rifles and extended relief scopes, mid-gripped and "pistol-gripped". Went through that "phase" years ago. They interest me none in the least where nothing is gained, and much is lost being neither rifle nor 'pistol'. If you like 'em, fine. They certainly fit your frame far better than a real rifle. Shame YOU can't 'holster' 'em without dragging the muzzle through the terra firma.... Laffin'

Trumped how? Don't just make a blanket statement telling me Glocks are sub-par handguns and there are pistols/revolvers available that are much better self-defense handguns than the Glock.

Be specific.

What features do other handguns have that makes them superior to a Glock as a carry, self-defense handgun?

I have my notebook out and my pencil ready to take notes after you follow a paragraph with "HINT".

'douglas,

It's never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.

You'll wanna take notes and apply same.

Hint.................
















goalie,

Do tell about the "sweet satisfactions" of a Minnesota Deer Camp and all "excitement" associated. Mebbe hang some pics. Dare ya'!

Laughing!

You poor poor STUPID fhuqk...............















FO',

Everyone "thinks" they "know" sumptin' about glass...then they like to go wayyyyyyyyy outta their road to remove ALL "doubt",to correlate how that just ain't so.

Obliviously,of course and that certainly do add to the Humor Quotient.

People crack me the fhuqk up.................
















'nut,

It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you must. You are doing "great". Laughing!

I enjoy that you "think",you know what the fhuqk you are trying to talk about.

Bless your heart!

Keep the "particulars" comin'!

Wow +P++!..................















Magnumdoosh,

HINT.

Grocks have the ergonomics of a Desert Iggle or HS stock. At least the 'Iggle can be employed as a hammer and HS gets to "brag" about hiring Lon Horiuchi...while Grock gets you. Laughing!

Joe Average sure as fhuqk ain't very bright,as you perpetually attest obliviously,by simply doing your BEST. I know,I know...you get the warm/fuzzy because BSA sells alotta scopes and Obama won both the Electoral and Popular Vote and "numbers" soothe you. Laughing!

Pardon my being afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess,but no matter the application,ergo's is always gonna be at the top of The List. Amongst folks who actually shoot,I know of noone that Grocks as an opening move,mainly because them folks actually shoot. Sorta a Vulcan Mindfhuqk there ain't it,as well as a right proper Dichotomy?!? You best read that again. Now one more time. HINT.

If polymer mag dumps while screaming "Get some!" "work" for you,then you've "found" your Huckleberry. Such things are of less than zero interest to me,especially in something with the ergo's of a fhuqking 2"x4".

The Good Colonel had it right,in that a pistole is solely for fighting one's way back to a rifle. He also had it right,that the FIRST Rule of a Gunfight...is to simply HAVE a fhuqking gun. I'm not a very good Doomer or Gloomer,nor Zombie Apocalypse "prepper",but have been trying for 30 some years to get eaten by Critters,that eat Critters. I've been through it all,largely had 'em all and have never left where the rubber meets the road. I'll take a proven 22LR over anything/everything and am quick to bank on proficiency/familiarity and the ergo's of a favorite pair of boots,over hypothesized Zombie contrived fhuqking bullschit. 'Course,I've seen me shoot too and you of course,gotta take into account your "abilities"...which is certainly a pisser. HINT.

Now is prolly a GREAT time,to regale me with your Pavement Pounding Grocktitude and how it's killed farrrrrrrrrrr more Zombies for you,than anything else. Laughing!

I've a coupla bajillion hours on a certain S&W 422 and though they've not quite been on the scene for 3 decades,it's offered 25+ years of warm/fuzzy while in the most hostile of environments. The magnitude of which escapes your feeble perception and yet fully crushing your Imagination and it's Pretend. Funny how it ACTUALLY works and I mean fhuqking funny! HINT.

The 422's downside is that the sights travel with the slide and though well anchored fixed irons,do in fact happen to wear like iron,the arrangement do no favors for Red Dottitude. Given the myriad of scenarios schlepped and multiple myriad of encounters nipped,it'd be easy to reflect and examine all that water having flowed under the bridge and opine in crystalline clarity,that Today's dots woulda been fhuqking nice to have Yesterday. Given them constants and incredible rugged reliability of a 422(we all got 'em),the Ruger 22/45 Lite is an obvious upgraded replacement Today. Lotsa quality Guts abound,though much can be done did on the OEM parcel. Tough not to love a static 'Dot,rigid mounted aboard a sight platform that don't travel to/from battery,as well as a rigid mounted spout that don't pivot in/outta battery and literally drive fhuqking tacks. One needn't drive even a Bentz-esque chamber,let alone an Eley-esque Annie chamber,to reap some serious goody. Less is more. HINT.

A single-stage trigger of repute,will quickly spoil a gent and I've been spoiled for 30+ years. Losing the mag "safety" is a given,no different than seriously driving a BHP(which I also happen to love). Bonus points is awarded for getting rid of mosta the pre and overtravel...leaving room for grit/schit to accumulate.

Conjoin them Creature Comforts and Static Baselines(literally and pun be intended),with a zero recoil system of rather impressive Precision,along with obscene round counts and one cain't even Pretend to get "scared",when so armed and in a pickle. Weren't my intent to horn you up. Laughing!

To hedge a bet,Crimson Trace laser grips have come a long ways and noone has yet been able to fail the new Hogue offering,but we are all TRYIN'. HINT.

So while I've zero doubt,that you get great "satisfaction" outta kicking in plywood schithouse doors,while screaming "Get some!" with your Grocks,I'm more than a whole bunch comfy in the REAL World,with a "lowly" 22LR in tow. Been fortunate enough to get to apply farrrrrrrrrrrr more Application,than I have Theory...so color me jaded by actual fhuqking results. HINT.

Today is THE Good Old Days for Pistoles and more than a few suspect pieces of the puzzle,have been capably resolved. I'm always gonna take a dot of repute,am happy to keep Irons for contingency and am at ease in a lasergrip more than connectin' them dots. A sub 2lb crisp trigger,unending ammo supply,living neck deep in daily opportunity and having an interest in the melding,do of course align some very fhuqking unfair advantages.

Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess and rest assured,that I'm ALL ears in your version of Grocktitude and the harrowing paces you've toted one.

GOOD talk.

Laughing!

Bless your heart.

HINT................

Big Stick - I have seen your posts for some time and I really wish to know if you think you can win an argument by being so vulgar. Oh well, that's the way life goes.

But I would like to know if you know your schit or are just full of schit.

I would like to shoot against you at either of the NRA registered high power rifle matches, either the Alaska State Championship or the Regional Championship.

Let's bet $100 on it just to make it a real bet.

We both live in Alaska so it should be easy for both of us to attend one of these two matches.

Here, this is what you should have posted. Your message is still there, and you’re not resorting to guessing about my experiences or my abilities. Remember, you never guess.



Funny, the good Colonel was also one of the original designers of the 10mm. He set out to design, for Law Enforcement, a cartridge that would be the best LE could shoot, and still control, in use against PEOPLE who might be SHOOTING BACK AT YOU. Whenever these critters who are trying to eat you, start shooting back at you, you might reconsider your choice...then again, out of sheer obstinance you probably wouldn't. The original loading was a 200 grain semi-wadcutter spit out at a muzzle-velocity of 1200 fps.



Except about my abilities and my motives. And you guessed wrong.



As configured now, minus all the personal insults and waaaay off the mark guessing about my abilities and motives, yes, it's a good talk.

I have 100 bucks to any taker that Stick doesn't take the bet.

I just like to scan this thread for pics of dead elk.

Although I freely admit, I could give a fugk about elk.



Travis

There sure are some whoppers.

He gets two weeks at a time off why wouldn't he.

'Homer,

I reckon I'm plum flattered...that yet another Drooling Clueless Dumbfhuqk is hangin' on my ever word and redlining her Imagination and Pretend,to hopefully rub elbows. I'll feign my "surprise" at the revelation. Laughing!

Sad part is,Alaska has long been on my Bucket List,but it just don't seem to ever happen,especially given this tough Milford Economy. You "lucky" bitch,"livin'" the good "life" with a hole hundred dollars to burn. Laughing!

Sweetheart there's nothing to "argue",I simply stated facts and it'll be assuredly funnier than fhuqk,if you can conjure enough Imagination and Pretend to find me "mistaken". Be sure to use "all" of your "knowledge","experience" and "results",to copiously frost that Delusion. Laughing!

Don't let the cat get your tongue,or the couch your kchunt.

Bless your heart...............















Magnumdoosh,

You gawwdamned almost fhuqking nearly said sumptin' about Grock ergo's,then went of on another Day Dreaming Dumbfhuqk tangent...which is far from "surprising". I mean I was REALLY looking forward to your Grock Chronicles and the facinating "particulars" of kicking-in plywood schithouse doors,while wearing your Karate Jump Suit. Laughing!

Pardon my having shot a coupla D&D 'Tens and being far from impressed with the platform's ergo's. I cain't blame The Good Colonel for trying to make a buck,but the Bren Ten Goat Fhuqk was a rather feeble effort and it took the humor of The Scout Rifle for folks to laugh elsewhere. Still enjoyin' how forward mounted glass with itty-bitty oculars,were billed as being "fast" to press into service!

At least you ain't THAT fhuqking insecure about your contrived "abilities",as you only saw fit to mention it three times and all via quivering lip. Laughing!

Perhaps you are the Drooling Dumbfhuqk that can shoot a 10mm better than a 22LR and it's all about the Judy Chop and headband?!? Then again....

Laughing!

Should it cheer you up,I've gunned more than a buncha pistoles,in more than a buncha chamberings and you haven't the faculties to process that magnitude.

I'm more than a whole bunch comfy with a proven 22LR,if only because I've largely gunned all the rest. You be sure to tell yourself what you must,in order to satiate your Reality and rest on the "laurels" of Grock having you in their corner. Laughing!

I'm sure that plagiarizin' is very fhuqking "fulfilling" for you,if only because it's as fhuqking close as you'll ever come to "doing".

Congratulations?!?

Laughing!..............















goalie,

The only time you've seen $100...is in plagiarized pics. What do you "do" for a "living" again?!?

Yet another slow day here,along The Milford. Illuminati K-Hornet. Google it.

Laughing!



I'll feign my "surprise" that the "exciting" pics & prose of a Minnesota Deer Camp,was soooooooooo fhuqking dismally hilarious,that even YOU knew better than to try and pawn it off.

You Do Nothing Dumbfhuqks are a hoot!...............















'flave,

I quit carin' about Elkeses,many moons ago...as the "novelty" wore off.

They's big,yeller,stink,leave copious sign and scream.

Pass the Slippery Bucks...and I don't mean the dollars that The Do Nothing Gang do not have.

Laughing!.............















'pole,

Now THAT,was fhuqking funny!.....................(grin)















fredrica,

Bless your heart.

3wks this pass.

Laughing!...................

Well then.

550 yards.


1002 yards.



500 yards, 600 yards, and 850 yards.



800 yards.



550 yards.



1102 yards.



I am a fan of turrets marked in yards, Leupold VX 3 and VX 6s, and lasers that read in yards. Seems simple.

Hold over reticles beat guessing and good work can be done with MOA or Mil turrets and charts but why deal with the hassle?

For me direct dialing works pretty snazzy.

WOW!

JohnBurns,

I think you made a sale here. I have a VX-6 and might as well get a yardage turret for it. I may not ever need it, but part of the fun of being a hunter is the toys to play with. My last two deer were about fifty yards or less. My last elk, well I would have to go back several years but I think it was at most 200 yards.

Popcorn time...

I like yardage turrets, too.

Those into millirons, subtensions, etc., interesting stuff, sounds too much like work.

DF

Uh, I never made that claim, but of course, you know that. I shoot my 22/45 much more than I shoot my Glock 20. If for nothing else to keep my basics sound such as trigger control, sight picture and follow through. But, I’m just shooting paper then. If I’m carrying you can bet I’ll be carrying my Glock 20. Speaking of ergonomics, Glock makes the ONLY pistol that when I bring it up to eye level with my eyes closed initially, when I open my eyes I have a near perfect sight picture. The Glock grip angle is perfect for my shooting form. I’ve gunned a lot of pistols and revolvers as well and the ergos of the Glock suit me just fine, in fact, better than fine...better than any other pistol or revolver I’ve gunned for the last 40 years.

The vast majority of gunfights take place with the assailants within 10 feet of each other and usually 2 shots are fired. I’ll take my Glock 20 under those conditions over any .22 LR made everytime, only because I’m not forced to guess where my 3 rounds are going to hit ANY assailant as close as 10 feet. Two to the body one to the groin. Been practicing that drill for 33 years now and if I do say so myself, I’ve gotten damned good at it.

When it is crunch time range it and dial it so fast and sure.

Might not be for everyone but I guess that is what makes "horse races".

lol you already know that answer, he's a cowardly little Internet troll who can feel like an adult sized man on hunting forums.

I don't blame him though, a Chihuahua is going to be a Chihuahua - it's just in their nature.

For going on those fresh tenderloins:



Packed up:



One of the two about to be skinned and quartered in my shop at home (that mask on the wall was signed by a starting goalie from every North Stars team to ever play....hint):



It was an awesome weekend of pretending. The Ruger American Ranch in 300 BO is getting a can, as it is perfect for the woods.

elkkchuntnm,

GREAT Time to muse glass and dangle a pic of a Lady Elk.

Don't "forget" that you "can't read" this.

Laughing!.................















Ringmam,

You were doing fhuqking "great",there for a spell...then you got purty gawwdamned quiet. Didja' haveta take a nap,so as to repower your Imagination and it's Pretend?!?

Points awarded for Oblivious Hilarity,due your keen mention of getting giddy over a "yardage turret".

I enjoy that there is no end,to the depths of your Drooling Dumbfhuqkery.

Bless your heart......................















'farmer,

Yes it's VERY fhuqking "complicated". Laughing!

Would be funnier than fhuqk to watch you Drooling Dumbfhuqks try to tell time on an actual clock,with "all" those needles movin' about and stuff.

Here's to you doing your BEST and the inherent hilarity associated with them EPIC "efforts".

Bless your heart.................















Magnumdoosh,

I enjoy that you are incapable of mustering the 6 IQ Points requisite,to savvy that ALL of your "claims" are fhuqking hilarious and founded solely upon your Imagination and it's Pretend. You don't shoot enough to keep cobwebs at bay,you "hard charger" you.

I'll feign my "surprise",that you are the only handicapped sonofabitch on the fhuqking Planet,that finds Grock "ergos" "comfortable" and an "asset". Congratulations?!? Laughing!

Remember you are gonna have far better "luck" bullschitting the Fans,than you are the Players...so be certain to tell yourself that which you need to hear MOST. Perhaps you'll have finally stumbled upon someone fhuqking stupid enough,to believe same?!? Bless your heart.

I'm sure Mall Ninjas everywhere are clapping their hands in unison,that you've "perfected" Weiner Shootin',due your uncanny "abilities" and well "versed" choice of wares,coupled with extreme "dedication" and calm steely "demeanor". I'm fhuqking cryin'...I'm laughing soooooooooooooooo fhuqking hard!!! Wow +P++!

You'd be best served to Judy Chop yourself and attempt to Bitch Slap yourself back to Reality. I'll buy the video. Laughing!

You poor poor AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqk....................
















Taco',

I see you are more than a touch disgruntled as per always,setting on the sidelines lookin' in and telling yourself that you "could" too. At least Imagination and Pretend are priced within your means,so you can afford to "contribute" too.

You "lucky" bitch. Hell...perhaps some year,you'll be able to go outside too?!?

Laughing!...................















goalie,

Oh my...I just fhuqking KNEW that the highly "esteemed" Minnesota Deer Camp was gonna be a rollicking series of belly laughs,but you exceeded ALL of the hilariously low expectations inherent the "Adventure"!!! You REALLY get after it! Laughing!

How do you Drooling Dumbfhuqks like your Titty Trophies mounted? Do you go European and rock the flat head,or really throw some of that Minimum Wage cash at it and opt a Titty Board? Do tell and it goes without sayin',that more pics and prose will be FUNNIER than fhuqk,if only obliviously. Laughing!

Nothing defines "awesome" more than a Danglin' Doe,hung the wrong way!!!

HS Precision has Lon Horiuchi,Grock has Magnum Doosh and the Tallahassee Wart Hogs have you. Boy,that has really gotta be some SWEET "satisfaction",rockin' "Trophies" of such magnitude. Mebbe correlate the "achievement" a touch more and snap a pic of your Blue Parking Permit?!? Laughing!!!

Do NOT let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt...as you yet again take STUPIDITY,to places it's never been before.

Rather enjoyed the "critique" in regards to the PERFECT Doe Rifle! Mebbe expound a smidge on "particulars" and dangle a pic of that Doe Cannon,then say a leetle sumptin' about glass,bases,rings and fodder...it WILL be fhuqking funny!

It's been a REALLY Big Year for you.

Laughing!.......................

OP here. For the guys responding to this in novel format, do you really have nothing better to do with your time? Jobs? Hobbies? Etc? And it has nothing to do with the original question. Please go away. I'm not interested in your filthy mouths. You really arnt much of a man if you hide behind the safety of a piece of electronics. It's the cowards way

Sorry for partaking in the derailment of your thread. I am quite amused by Stick's blathering, especially when he ignores the post by the guy who posted pics of elk drilled at 1k+ yards.

You might want to listen to that guy, as, unlike stick, he actually knows about shooting elk, not a blown-out .223 at middl'n sized coastal deer.

Speaking of imagination and pretend, you are the king of it. Enjoy playing with your saw and pretending you're of any importance, outside of your own mind. Or don't dare to go that far and face the reality that you don't matter, don't know... might be too much for some to face.

Me, I'll go do some biking or hiking around the Rockies this week. Have you made it to an adult bike yet, or are you still riding the kiddy bike with training wheels?

As per your work of fiction, I'll go imagine and pretend those air assault missions some more with Seals and SF - things you know nothing about once again. Then take a 9 month trip shortly and imagine and pretend all the missions I'll fly while you're looking for the step stool to reach the cookie jar. Do yourself a favor and take a break from the sweets, those buttons on your shirt are screaming and likely to take an eye out when they finally give.

You hard charging Internet trolls are a riot, congratulations?

Almost forgot - keep posting pics of woofs your "pards" shot while you pawn them off as your own. Imagination and pretend, keep telling yourself you shot them and maybe you'll believe it to be true. Lying sack of [bleep].

I've sent my 6x42 in for a dial and a german #4 reticle. it will be good close up and at 500+ yards. Its on a 9.3x66 and has ~ a ton of energy at 400 yards.

I removed all the superfluous bullschitt from your post in an attempt to find anything of redeeming value. Fortunately, our screen names were used, otherwise your entire post is your usual useless, profane, insulting bullschitt.

Post a picture of that 5' thick tree you are shown standing beside...you know, the one you've posted at least 100 times over the years. As useless and boring as it is, it beats the drivel I removed from this post.

You really should contact the Alaska State Police and offer your services as their leading firearms instructor; you clearly believe you know more about real firearm need and use of handguns than the national police experts. I can't wait for the ASP announcement that they are issuing .22 LR handguns to their troopers! LMAO!

You're just another example of an oxygen thief.

blairvt,

I apologize for my part in hijacking your thread. I'm done, as I've been down this road many times where the end never varies.

I'm done responding to Larry.

With regard to your scope choice for shooting Elk - I'd take the advice of the man, Shrapnel, who quite literally has killed more Elk with his truck than most have with a rifle. He also shoots Elk at longer ranges. He's probably killed enough Elk to feed a small third-world country for a year. If I were weighing advice about what rifle/scope combination to use to shoot Elk at longer ranges I would give Shrapnel's advice a lot of weight. He's been there, done that, and ran out of a place to store all his T-shirts.

I would also pay attention to what John Burns has to say on the subject. He's a Long Range Guru.

blairvt,

ALL you had to do,was shut your fhuqking mouth and run with the facts handed to you,atop a Silver Platter.

Congratulations...on being able to fhuqk that up,you amazingly Clueless Fhuqk!

Wow +P++..................















goalie,

I guess Minnesota Deer Camp and playing Titty-Titty Bang-Bang in the firsthand,ain't as "comforting" to you...as trying to proffer someone else's trigger time as YOUR "Trump Card" FUNNY schit!.

What were the "odds".

Laughing!

Cheer up,I shoot more chamberings,twists and contours,than your Imagination and Pretend could begin to concoct.

Just sayin'.

Bless your heart...............















Taco,

SugarTits...Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery,so I reckon that I'm yet again flattered,as you chase scraps and try to get in the mix. Laughing!

Is thise where you yet again solemnly cite that you "don't care",after having hung on my EVERY fhuqking word and perused every fhuqking one of my pixels,as you feverishly attempt to "live" vicariously?!? Bless your heart. Laughing!

Wow...a Pedal Bike Safari sounds like a real fhuqking hoot! What sorta bet might a Drooling Do nothing Dumbfhuqk haveta lose,to suffer sucha fate? Do tell! Laughing!

1000 words and if it helps your Imagination and it's Pretend,tell yourself you "could too". Laughing!



Are you saying that YOU are a fhuqking Pilot?!? Laughing!

I've never been in a helo,tell me about it. Is it "scary"?!? Laughing!

I rather enjoy a Drooling Dumbfhuqk Trump Card,as you set on the outside looking in,trying to "live" vicariously. Might you be trying to cite a Cast & Blast,with your quivering lips and high-pitched nasal Whine?!?

Tell yourself that which you MOST need to hear. Laughing!



Cheer up,I don't whoop out the Loomis 1024C's much...save beeg water that's growin'. That knife ain't Famous either. Laughing!




The Dude likes that rod,more than I.



FYI the Revo's ain't all that fhuqking tough. Google it! Hint. laughing!



On pins & needles here,awaiting the "exciting" Mountain Bike "Adventure" pics & prose.

I'm fhuqking crying...I'm laughing soooooooooooo fhuqking hard.

Here's to you doing your "BEST",you "hard charger" you.

Wow +P++++..................















'tell,

It'd be tough to get giddy about a 370 SUCKO,with great boolits on either side of it and it being precluded from same.

There's nothing redeeming in a Reupold Teutonic #4 reticle,whether friction,clicks,target turret or M1's.

Hint.....................















Magnumdoosh,

You'd be pressed very hard,to find a more piss poor lot of Pistoleros...than Cops. Sad but true.

Not so "surprisingly",you were "done" wellllll before you "thought" you had "started". Though it's always a treat to be regaled with the latest conjuring(s) of your Imagination and it's Pretend. Hint. Laughing!

4.5-footer...just for you. Laughing!



Mebbe mention again,that you "don't care"...as you add yet another picture to "your" album. You and Taco' oughtta exchange PM's and go FULL Fhuqking Retard,as a defiant "stand" of the simplistic facts,that exceed your amazingly modest facultys' ability to process.

Oooops...too fhuqking late.

Laughing!

I just took a bow................

'tell,

It'd be tough to get giddy about a 370 SUCKO,with great boolits on either side of it and it being precluded from same.

There's nothing redeeming in a Reupold Teutonic #4 reticle,whether friction,clicks,target turret or M1's.

Hint.....................


Well, give me a fhuqking hint! It is a good windshield for moose hunting inside 500 yards. I don't get gyddie lawfink.

Yeah, we're all impressed. This little one is as big as your moto-bike deer:



Dinner:



Breakfast:




I pretended both meals were yummy!

I learned a lot in this thread and just one question remains. Who is the gnome?

Wish I could hunt in Skechers...

You could if you still could buy your clothes in the kiddie section of the store......

Why did you hang the deer like this? I've not seen that technique before.

We have always skinned them head-up.

Heck, a Lotta guys here do the golf-ball/trailer-hitch skinning.

Hanging them by the head makes them easy to bag up, but hanging them by the front legs?

Can't say I've seen that but to each their own...

Boxer's posts crack me the [bleep] up. He forgets there's a lot of subjectivity in the products he slams and praises, but he never not makes me LOL like a high school chick.

We just pull the head up by tying off the head to another eye-bolt by the one the hoist is on.

We could just noose the neck when we get back to my shop. We just use the triangle to keep em spread out at camp. Easier to cut out the loins.

Axtell,

Do tell about the "good part" of Teutonic #4 subtension value and how it is a "great aid" to 370 SUCKO 500yd POA/POI intersections. I assure you,it will be fhuqking FUNNY,should you try. Hint.

.338" projectiles knock BC and integrity mettle,reliably outta the fhuqking Park. Hardly "daunting" to squirt 250 Skinner.648 BC's outta sumptin' as lowly as a 338 Twatt-Sixx,reap the merits of aero form and copious integrity,rock a throat that'll smooch same,have the works whistle through the magbox,have a minimum of (4) pokes ready to roll in the belly and enjoy the sanctity of Skookum parent brass...if only for fhuqking starters. Hint.

The newly unveiled Hornie 285 has a billed BC of .789 and ups the ante,more than a smidge. Re-hint.

Now I gotta plead guilty to schlepping a Reupold MK4 M3 6x Duplex aboard my Skinner spittin' 338 Twatt-Sixx and as much as I hate M3's,it still wipes the Teutonic #4 soundly,from start to finish. Hint. The gawwdamned fhuqking 6x M3's were set up as BDC's and nothin' sucks more ass than a BDC,except a Teutonic #4 on a 370 SUCKO. Reupold to their credit,was able to build me an MOA "BDC",so windows of opportunity flew open,even with the wrong wayzee erector actuation from The Day. Re-hint. Google it. Laughing!





GOOD talk.

It's always a hoot to listen to a Dumbfhuqk try to justify a Goat Fhuqk,while being 100% totally fhuqking CLUELESS.

Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart...................















goalie,

It is VERY fortunate for you,that Does are "awesome"!

Moto Bike Deer are great for morale...but in fairness,nothing is funnier than a Doe. Congratulations?!?



Here's to the perpetual HILARITY,of your best efforts.

Bless your heart......................
















'trapper,

Someone as fhuqking stupid as you,isn't going to learn a thing...but it is hilarious that your Imagination grants you enough Pretend,that you can dupe yourself. Congratulations?!?

Now don't be too hard on poor poor stupid fhuqking goalie,as I'll have you know that Gnome Mask was signed by EVERY Tallahassee Wart Hog!

You "lucky" kchunt...Stupidity ain't an act for you.

Laughing!................















Taco',

I reckon it is more than a touch disheartening,that you'll never be a Pilot.

Laughing!....................
















starsky,

I hear that along The Milford,that folks oft tote dry garb with 'em...as getting wet might be a constant.

Never seen anyone rock corked shoes in the crummy.



Just sayin'.................(grin)















'Deer,

The Minnesota Upside Down AWESOME Titty Festival,is an approach held in the highest esteem...by them who "know" and "do" the least.

Key is to just hand the Dumb Kchunt slack on the rope and watch her do her best.

Laughing!.....................















'Inman,

Nothing is less subjective than facts.

Hint.

I don't feel compelled to apologize,for being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess.

Fact is,only a Clueless Dumbfhuqk dangles an Awesome Doe,in sucha manner.

Laughing!.......................

My deer hunting rifles are pretty much setup like this. Fixed 6x power scopes with dots that allow me to be plenty accurate enough out to 400-450 yards provided the wind ain't blowing too hard. Elevation is never an issue, it's the wind that can create problems.

The dots are a somewhat crude reference point but work just fine for big game hunting. Past 450 yards though and turrets are pretty much the only way to go(IMO). That or I could see where they would be great for varmint hunting, gophers at 429 yards are fairly safe around my deer hunting rifles.

And I enjoy the sneak more than shooting so turrets are a moot point for any hunting I do. Purely subjective.

Stick,

I reckon it is more than a touch disheartening,that you'll never be an adult sized man.

Laughing!....................

Since we already hijacked this thread, what is the purpose of hanging them upside-down? I've never had an issue, and everyone I know here in MN apparently does it the "wrong" way too.

Unlike some, I am perfectly willing to learn. It just seems like in the 100+ deer I've been a part of skinning, cutting up, and eating, we would have had issues by now, and we have not.

Not that we always do it, but the golf-ball trick requires head-up



And here's one for Stick to carry on his kid-sized bike:



I was spinning turrets like a mo-fo on that 44 mag, but I got 'em.......

I hang mine head down.

Why?

I guess I am wondering what is "wrong" with the way we've been doing it forever. Heck, I've never even really thought about it, as it's the way I learned. Or is it just a six of one, half dozen of another kind of thing?

Hey 'Stick , fhuqking laffin', your telling me that a +P 9.3x62 which is what the SUCKO is,still laffin' like a mo fhuqkhere, is dog sheet inside 500 yards compared to a hi-bc 338 Horndog.
The SUCKO is 0.100" longer than a twatsix cartridge so could be considered a tuetonic version of that.
Dial up 7moa for a 400 yard shot and let that 285gr Lapua mega do its work.
Even you wood be impressed with the result on big moose and bear. Fhuqks them real bad, laffin' and doesn't need a cup of powder to do it.

Seriously, what is a better combination for moose inside 500 yards? Include the windshield and wipers too.

Big stick, I promise face to face you would only cuss me like that one time. I spent several years in the Middle East with thousands of crazy Muslims wanting to kill me, so I'm sure not afraid of you. Again, cowards hide behind computers. Just shut up, you are irrelevant.

Have you picked a scope yet?

Sammo,

One can never have "too much" control of POA/POI intersections...at any distance. I getta kick outta Boobs fawning 100yd paper,then finally "get 'er dialed in",then go wage War with Kentucky Windage and Elevation,less a faintest first fhuqking hint of a first clue.

Rest assured,that noone who has tasted finite control...swaps gears and says "nope...I'm goin' back to guessing".(grin)

Hint......................















Taco',

It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you MUST.

Someone has gotta ride in the back and pour coffee.

Bless your heart...you "hard charger" you.

Laughing!.................















goalie,

Your very WELL founded insecurities,are a fhuqking riot and it remains a shame that you are devoid the 6 IQ Points requisite to garner an inkling of your INCREDIBLE fhuqking Stupidity.

Everyone's idea of "AWESOME" is different and your's is fhuqking funny enough,to make you an Honorary Texan.

Never quit doing your best!

I'm fhuqking crying...I'm laughing sooooooooooooooooo fhuqking hard.

Wow +P++!...........................















Axtell,

I get it,that you are a Dumbfhuqk and you needn't go outta your way to elaborate...but it's funnier than fhuqk,that you are compelled to.

There's nothing redeeming in a 370 SUCKO,at ANY distance. It's a 9.3 Cough Silencer. Hint.

I plainly cited the inherent beauty of Killer parent brass and there was no need for you to cite how the SUCKO is removed from that equation,by literal default. That were the point,you Stupid Fhuqk. Though in fairness,I did rather enjoy "tuetonic". Laughing!

Oddly enough,you were raving about the Kraut #4 and the sanctity of it's subtension values,as applied to your Goat Fhuqk SUCKO,but now you are talkin' turrets. Pardon me,while I feign my "surprise". Laughing! I've never gunned a Reupold 6x42 with or without turrets,"tell"me more. Re-laughing!

The 285 Lapooey Mega is a Nerf ball wearing a parachute,with it's "whopping" .339 BC. In .338",one can easily double that value. Hint.

Boolits matter farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more than headstamps and the headstamps that are without good boolits,are double Dog Fhuqked start to finish. You've taken Stupidity to new heights,conjoining a schit chambering,schit boolits and a schit reticle...as your Long Range Swan Song. The only thing you shoot,is your mouth and Imagination.

.338" 250 Skinner from this year. If it ain't "big" it is close.



.338" 250 Skinner. If it ain't "big" it is close.



I've one rifle that's killed (5) Bull Moose in as many shots,but it is a 22" 7-08.

GOOD talk...you Do Nothing Day Dreaming Dumbfhuqks are chock full of hilarity.

Don't let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt,or "forget" about "telling" me about Reupold 6x42 Kraut #4 subtension values.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.....................















blairvt,

It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you please. I'd be rather at ease in slapping some sense into you.

Great time to tell yourself yet again,that you "don't care". Wouldn't wantcha' to make your Mascara run and stain your keyboard,as you toss yet another Hissy Fit. Mebbe hold your breath and stomp your itty-bitty feet,for MAXIMUM "effect"?!? Laughing!

Dumbfhuqk,all you gotta do is quit Whining and follow directions paved with facts. Rest assured,you ain't gonna be able to Whine POA/POI intersections into happening,despite your MAGNIFICENT efforts thus far.

Here's to your Estrogen Levels,precluding you from even doing that "much".

Bless your heart,you Whining Kchunt.

Laughing!.......................















'338,

Broke Dick Whining Turd Polishers don't "pick" anything...other than their noses.

She'll Whine more than a bunch and keep on doing schit just as incredibly fhuqking STUPID as she always has.

Poor poor stupid kchunt,ain't got the savvy to connect a single fhuqking dot and rest assured,she is in fact doing her BEST.

Laughing!.................

We just find it easier to work around the intestinal track, bladder, etc. whilst hanging. the fact our skinning shed is not very tall also has a lot to do with it.

I finally get it, you think 500 yards is long fhuqking range laffin'.
Nice pictures.....did you photo shoppe the man or the animal?
I'm lerrnin, that a 9.3 x 62 variant is crap cartridge with sheet boolitz, SUcko m 85 is a piece of doo doo and a bullet that can be managed with modern range finder and moa dial to the target and once gets there has big frontal area and retains ~ 90% weight.........yup, nothing to like here! laffin'/pukin' a bit.
Talk about the #4 German later I got sheet to do..... I'll mine the secrts from you eventually ....coffin"

Aaaah. We field dress them in the woods before we hang 'em.

Um, now we're supposed to be impressed by pics of other people's animals?

You are right though, we all have a different definitions of "awesome." Mine leans more in the direction of being an awesome father to my son. Yours obviously leans more toward being an awesome douche on the internet.

Only time will tell which awesome was more worthwhile.

Big Stick, what a dumb [bleep] [bleep] you are. Your posts are a waste of space on this forum. Just FYI!

Seems to me stick is usually pictured with his kids.

Just sayin'

We do as well for the most part, either way, we hang the same

Hang head down also. Just the way we did it.

End result is the same,meat in the freezer.

German #4 Reticle on a 6x42 Leupold. Positives are the reticle allows quicker target acquisition at near distances compared to the heavy duplex I'm having replaced, obscures less of the target, better definition when animal is highlighted against the bush as moose so often are, can't think of a negative for the hunting this rifle does.
Also, with the trajectory of the 9.3 a dial on the elevation turret puts this moose rifle on target at 500 yards easily ( I carry a Leica 1600B range finder in my shirt pocket). There is adequate power for large animals in the cartridge/bullet combination. A fixed power scope is rugged......well this one had to go to the warranty center as the turrets were hooped, so good time to install a dial and a reticle.
Others have a different ideas what is best of course, so hope this helps a bit blairvt.

The Germans and for the most part all continental europeans, hunt in very low light conditions, even at night, hence, the huge objectives for light transmission. The German #4 was designed for that purpose and like everything German, it works in that application.

This is my definition of awesome:



with this in the shop:



while the Wild are up 5-1 on Winnipeg after the 2nd period.

For myself I'm sure there is something worse than the German, I just haven't seen it yet. Plus it seems the Euro group are more and more leaning towards illuminated.

WhoreHey,

It was gonna take a Clueless Fhuqking Texan,to Trump The Awesome Upsidedown Minnesota Titty-Fest! Congratulations?!?

Not much to say to someone too fhuqking stupid to leave guts behind,other than "Wow" and "Bless your heart".

Do tell about the 7mmWby and how "much" you've nearly "used" it.

Laughing!

I know...I know,you "can't read" this.

Don't yet again "forget" about your Imaginary Pretend Ignore.

Laughing!..............















Axtell,

You sappy Clueless Kchunt,I enjoy that you can't even keep pace with your Imagination or it's Pretend! FUNNY schit!

Do not "forget" that you were "telling" me about Kraut #4 subtension sanctity and the Delusion that you were gonna apply same to your 370 SUCKO. I'll yet again feign my "surprise",that you gave up on that fhuqking notion. Laughing!

For conversation,the key to getting good pics of Big Critters,is to kill Big Critters. Use your Imagination and Pretend it ain't so. Hint.

Laughing!



If only because facts are intellesting,here's a couple/few in regards to the 370 SUCKO. The "vaunted" .339BC 285 Mega you cite,retains a "whopping" 1440fps of impact velocity at the 500yd line and drifts 3.5-inches per every 1mph of full value wind at same,while "relishing" a better than 3/4 second flight time. Just sayin'. Google it. Laughing!

The "lowly" Twatt-Sixx/250 Skinner retains 1440fps+ of impact velocity to 850yds+ and drifts 3.5-inches per every 1mph of full value wind at the 700yd line.

Loose a Hornie 285 ELD and 1450fps+ of impact velocity,is retained to the 1000yd+ line. That with more pokes in the belly,a smooch,superior brass,less recoil and greater Precision...if only for starters. Just sayin'.

REALLY enjoying the hilarity of the Kraut #4 too,as "vindicated" by your "vast" "experience","knowledge" and "results". You Drooling Dumbfhuqks really know how to put a parcel together.

Laughing!...................















goalie,

You Whining Kchunt...you are on FIRE!

PLEASE say that you had multiple Generations of your exceedingly shallow gene pool on hand,for The AWESOME Upside Down Titty Hanging Tradition...so all could "learn"?!?

I'm fhuqking crying...I'm laughing soooooooooooo fhuqking hard!!!!

Was "your" son "lucky" enough to be with you,on The AWESOME Doe "Adventure"?!? Gotta be a big day for him,to go to school and say "my Dad shot an AWESOME Doe!". Laughing!

Things be a touch different on The Milford...where one day Trumps 1000 years of Minnesota AWESOMENESS. Laughing!

Just sayin'.






Rather enjoyed the AWESOME antlers on the wall,the AWESOME knife on the bench,the AWESOME vacuum packer and AWESOME Richard Simmons action pose. Laughing!!!

Keep doing your AWESOME best,if only because it is funnier than fhuqk.

Wow +P++!.......................
















'68,

You Whining Kchunt...PLEASE find me "mistaken" and I will happily take the time to rub your nose in your INCREDIBLE Stupidity. Don't let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt.

Just sayin'.

Hint.

Laughing!................
















'Walter,

The kids have Casted & Blasted more than The Do Nothing Gang bolted together.

While that ain't "fair",it's sure as fhuqk a fact......................(grin)















elkkchunt,

You Drooling Dumbfhuqk...you suck a mean ass!

Laughing!........................















'tue,

The Kraut #4 is assuredly a fhuqking joke,both near and far.

Yet someone voted Obama for both the Electoral and Popular sweeps.

Joe Average ain't very fhuqking bright and poor poor fhuqking stupid Axtell,is wellllllllllll shy of "par".

Bless her heart....................

Stick,

Good lookin critters and kids.

Unorthadox delivery style aside, it seemed to me that Big Boxer went to some trouble to post a detailed explanation of the benefits of the 6x SWFA when mated to the OP's 30-06.

It sufficiently interested me that if someone would import the bloody things into this part of the world I'd be getting a couple of those scopes and checking them out for myself.


Of course Stick would be horrified to learn that I'd bolted them onto a 270 and a 250 Sav AI!

Larry very graciously walked me through my new 6X. Following his advice, I was able to run it from finding a zero,50 yards to 600 in 9 shots. The scope tracks to perfection, but all I used yesterday was the reticle. I was pretty impressed with the scope.

Thanks Larry!

Have listened to Larry's advice for many years and it has always been spot on. Saved me tons of money along the way. Have to get an illumati sometime I guess but not sure what rig it will go on.

Has the OP bought a scope yet?

I have not been impressed with the German reticle either. Maybe it would be good at 2.5X on a dedicated tight cover rifle, but for a general purpose rifle I will, and have passed.

As far as the OP, if you have even relatively thick skin and can get past stick's persona he does give good advice. He's one of the reasons I am slowly moving everything I have to fixed powers, and mainly FX3 or III 6x42s.

Some things like the "right" way to hang a deer or the clarity of particular bino brand vs. your individual eye he doesn't quite seem to get but as far as tracking repeatability, optic ruggedness, accuracy etc. he knows his $hit for sure.

When it comes to shooting quick, I don't want the bold parts of the reticle hanging off the sides, with a lot of air in the middle. The bigger they are the worse it would be. With the introduction of illuminated, it seems even the Germans and such prefer a bold center aiming point.

Was standing beside the shooter on a wet foggy early morning Moose kill up in Maine. Friend called and the Moose came up out of a hole grunting at around 80 yards. The background was broken and the lights had barely turned on. He looked like a black billboard moving left to right. Friend was using a regular Duplex. Picking out horns was a bigger problem than hitting him in the chest. Which he did easily with the regular Duplex. Myself I would have preferred the HD with its stronger central aiming point.

Stick, the Buck knife was my father's.

GFY.

As for my son, he is doing better than yours.

Adios a-hole

You really mean it this time? Somehow I doubt it.

For the day at least.

Stick What powder are you using with the 285 in the twatt six? Approximate velocity 2400?

I have one in the corner with a benchmark bbl to resurrect and the new eld sounds like fun. Was using H4350 with 250s and the 275 speer in the day

Not to me, the man is one of very few I would like to meet.




I read them.



You are not someone I would ever care to meet.

Don't worry, it's mutual.

I have no desire to meet anyone who sucks up to someone with Stick's manners.

'bob5,

It ain't as AWESOME as an Upside Down Minnesota Titty-Festival...but is in fact quite a bit more rewarding.(grin)

Just think how many folks are putting change in jars after that expose,so as to partake in some of them Minnesota "splendors".

Laughing!...................














'17,

I've an uncanny knack to cut right to the fhuqking chase,knock it outta da park and quite often with splendid pixels to boot.

It is Sensory Overload for Droooling Dumbfhuqks,gets their Insecurities oozing and their Whine screaming...which never ain't not funnier than fhuqk.

The OP is a Stupid Fhuqk well in over her head and is without a single fhuqking clue,because she is too stupid to take notes and apply same.

EPIC humor!................














'NH,

Be curious to see how much more than 22 Mils you have left on your erector,after zero. I'm assuming you are driving a flat base?

Now count to see where you are at in regards to the erector's total travel,then whirl 'er up/down numerous times and put 1000MOA or so into it,betwixt shots...for the warmest of fuzzies. From there it is time to take 10 seconds and install a zero-stop,then simply shoot out the barrel,rinse and repeat.

Not much to it..................














'338,

The Illuminati will sneak up on you and if you ain't careful,you'll have a buncha them danglin' most everywhere.

Sight in to align reticle subtension,affix zoom selector in that locale,then bask in the sanctity of a generous windshield and even greater erector travel. 62Mils sounds like a lot on an erector...mainly because it is.

You'll not have any trouble,finding Victims to apply same upon....................(grin)















'Inman,

The Kraut #4 is simply a piece of schit in everything and offers nothing redeeming. The Reupold 2.5x is yet another piece of schit and the melding is a Goat Fhuqk.



They'd rather double-tap Irons,than suffer the 2.5x Reupold curse. Hint.





I believe you might could be onto sumptin',with the Fixed Fever and believe it or not,I've been contemplating tryin' a 6x42 myself. Laughing!

Gravity is a handy knowed quantity to work with and with hocks high,it tends to take over and will worlk all the way to the Skoozle Pipe(which I doubt goalie or her Clan,is bright enough to remove). Some folks is proud to put the cart in front of the pony and piss up a rope and rest assured,I VERY much enjoy the humor of their "stand" and "trend setting".

Stupid Fhuqkers will always do Stupid Schit,as this Thread oh sooooooooo eloquently attests and why it is AWESOME.

Laughing!.............














'tue,

Have seen wet once and brush twice...the Kraut #4 is a heavy compromise everywhere,for everything.

DON'T try an Illuminati.

That'd be a dare.(grin)

Be CAREFUL,you don't wanna get goalie mad...because you KNOW what happens. Not much. Laughing! You just might be put on Imaginary Pretend Ignore. Re-laughing!

Which is AWESOME!...................














goalie,

You rough & tumble Kchunt,you've got your Estrogen Levels wayyyy outta control. Bless your heart.

Musta been a BIG day,when you were handed over the POS Titty Knife,so as to keep the Tradition of Drooling Dumbfhuqkery rollin'. Did it come with directions?Congratulations?!? Laughing!

Always remember there Sugar Tits,you will always do better by simply fhuqking yourself,because you WILL get more poosy that way. Hint. Thank me later. Laughing!

Be sure and share these pics with "your" Titty Boy,so he can appreciate Minnesota AWESOMENESS too. Laughing!





Has Titty boy shot her own Buck yet,or caught her own fish...or do The AWESOME come much much later in "life" and is she forced to patiently await it,like you are doing? Spare no details on those "particulars".

Laughing!

Bless your heart,just keep doing your AWESOME Best..................














'6,

'17 is a nice place to be in a Twatt-Sixx............















'STUART,

I hear through the grapevine,that I'm a good time.

Laughing!...............

My "titty-boy" hasn't killed himself, a-hole.

G. F. Y.

You are owned by a complete stranger playing mind games and you are too stupid to see it.

Good grief...who ties your shoe laces?

Hello Stick...when are you going to get sick of having to swim after everything you want to shoot and come over here and hunt in some dry country?

And you are a sycophant to some dude who's, as you put it, "playing mind games."

Either way, I'm fine never meeting either of you. I don't spend my time willingly with a-holes.

It's all good. I just wish I'd have known you can't cut up a deer with a Buck knife years ago......

You are owned and still too stupid to figger it out.

Have a nice day.



ps, I feel a wee bit embarrassed for you!

Goalie, regardless of anything else, that statement was truly tasteless.

Ah, but it isn't regardless of anything else. Context is everything.

Damn guys,

Ride the hell out of each other about habits, buck teeth and ways of doing things, but be man enough to take it without running someone's kid down.

You're a better man than that Goalie. Betting Stick is too.

He's proven otherwise.

So have I.

At least I still have a son for him to make fun of.

'Stick if that's you with that decent blackie all I can think is that you are Mute, otherwise you would look way more fuquked up than the dude in the photo. Laffin"

Also, you obliviously take comfort in knowing everything about ....well everything. There is a lot of knowledge to be shared/gained in the hunting and shooting sports. I'm sure your knowledge base/experience is awesome (no sarcasm) its your online delivery that holds you back or at least dampens your 'awesome'.

BTW I do know most all aspect's of the SUCKO 9.3 and the choices in bullets,powders, and their performance and I have enough brass to make you jealous. The SUCKO holds 5 rounds of awesome, 4 of which are mostly redundant. The 250 NAB is probably the best bullet for this cartridge at a BC of 0.494 and a MV of ~2700fps....its been a long time since I've seen NAB's, NP's in my area or Hornaday's in 9.3.
I'll start a new thread seen as this one is sitting on the tarmac in Havana.

+1
Pathetic and weak in any context. Phugkking sickening.
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http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4274568/1

Goalie,
Prove you are a man and an adult and walk that statement back.

I know plenty of folks who hang deer by the head. They've all tasted just fine with everything else being equal.

Want to buy a Nikon Buckmaster 3x9-40?

+2

Goalie, I thought your were OK, now I think differently. That's some sad sh1t right there.

This is what happens when one gets down in the slop with a hog, or more to the point, to every thread that sociopath touches. Brings out the worst in all and no doubt as to who first cast the first (sic) sad sh1t right there....

Edited to add: And quite a few t of the "illuminati" members here, communicate with him as if nothing had happened.

Big Stick has a total dedication to being the biggest A-hole on this forum and has demonstrated that absolutely nothing, nobody and nothing that means anything to anybody else is off limits to his putrid vitriol. He comes here, as an example in this thread, and he refers to some proud young man as a girl and makes light of things important to that young man.

I'm not here to scold you goalie because lord knows one eventually sows what one reaps. And Big Stick has it coming in spades. What you said would clearly not be out of bounds if Big Stick said it; but, coming from you, it is out of line and out of bounds. Everybody here knows I'm not one to stand up for that piece of human excrement. I'm just trying to put things in perspective for you. Hell, if this all occurred face to face I would be the first to see to it nobody broke up the fight in which you were commencing to beat the crap out of him.

Just look at the number of good people, who I presume look at Big Stick as you and I do, not because of who he is; but, because of who you are and what you said, who are either coming to his defense or telling you to walk it back. Because he knows some stuff, there are about a dozen or more regulars here who are the first to jump relentlessly on someone else who behaves like Big Stick; yet, they won't say word one to challenge him. They sit back and keep their mouths shut because they don't want to suffer his rapier wit, even when he attacks friends of theirs.

He is the lowest form of human being, a bully. Because he, at times, shares good information, he should not be excused. Don't go down to his level. It's a long climb back up.

Thought that this kind of sheit only went on in the Campfire. Damn, just damn.
A man asks for help and it turns to a sheitstorm....in 'Optics', damn.

I saw a reference to this thread and thought I'd skim over it for any highlights. Should have known better.

You gave a thoughtful and rational reply TBS.

These two statements - "Because he knows some stuff" and "Because he, at times, shares good information, he should not be excused." reminded me of the expression "don't bob for apples in raw sewage"

I mostly agree, TBS.

I've had some run-ins with Big Stick here. I've also posted multiple times how he knows rifles and glass unlike any other. I do take issue with his delivery, but also know it is part of his psychological make-up. If you think he doesn't enjoy getting into a pissing match, you'd be wrong. I've had fairly equitable exchanges with Larry as well. I remember back when I was first on here how he lambasted me over the use of a 243. We all know he shoots the round. I figured out how he insults some just to get into a very enjoyable (to him) pissing match. Heck I have rigs set up very similarly to his own and shoot as much as anyone, and he knows it. But he would never give me the satisfaction of confirmation to such. It is just how he is.

However, dragging children of posters into a pissing match is overstepping boundaries with me. Not good for Stick or anyone else on here who stoops to that level.

+3

Take a moment to think how you would feel if someone said that to you having suffered the same tragedy.

First off, I probably wouldn't be calling his son a "titty boy" if that happened to me.

In the end, he said what he did, I said what I did. Anyone who has an issue with me reacting to him calling my son "titty boy" can GFY.

Anyone that would make a comment like that has obviously never lost a child.

Titty boy and a lost child is quite different.

I have no respect for anyone that would make the comment you made. I know that means nothing to you.

I only hope you never experience that kind of loss.

I have no respect for anyone that would make a comment about a kid , wife or family member whether they are living or dead. Both posters are equally at fault and if both were face to face the outcome would not be pretty. There are no winners or losers with this commentary.

Makes me sick to my stomach to see this [bleep] crap. That's why a few hundred former members that posted information and behaved like gentlemen are no longer here.

Thank you for this post, it should be a permanent stickie

This simple question sure took a 180.

blairvt to answer your question. Your 30.06 will work just fine. Most everybody that I know twist their turrets at long range. I know a bunch of people and all shoot different guns and calibers and all work fine, so if your gun shoots good keep it.

Years ago I received some invaluable advice from an Industrial Psychologist....."You don't have to swing at every pitch." Some of you guys need to learn how to let things go. Sometimes you are just like the catfish in my dad's pond; some crumbs get thrown on the water and soon you have a feeding frenzy. Responding to one of the many "Help me scope..." or "What is the best cartridge for shooting wookies between 500 and 550 yards" is pure nonsense. What you on anyone else puts on here is your OPINION. Not FACT as some like to purport. It is amazing to watch what should be a knowledgeable group of grown men start acting like middle school girls over nonsense. And before someone replies to the effect "Yeah, but he called my son...", again, see the first sentence above.

I have no bone to pick with anyone, but it sure seems like people have thin skins. Big Stick is obviously very knowledgeable, and I have to admit that I laugh at his delivery, because I know what he is doing. He feeds off of people getting butt hurt, because of his diatribe.

Take his knowledge for what it is worth and don't throw fuel on his fire for the entertainment of neophyte dumbphucs like me.

My butthole isn't hurt at all. The OP related a scenario and asked opinion on a better/ alternative way of doing things. What has been offered are personal experiences and some hypothetical ones.
I've worked in heavy industry most of my life and there , as here, you will encounter workplace/internet bullies.
Most bullies have insecurities as the motivator. As always, never run from a bully........they usually have a soft center.

Well I haven't read this thread since it got derailed with Elk. I come back to read on page 11 and wowsers! Best derailment ever, or worst?

This is up there with Burns and Stick when they were going at it, maybe surpasses it.

I've got my beer. Less talking, more purse swinging.

I think it's a good idea we just let this one die.

For me, when it comes time to break the carcass down and bone it out, it makes far more sense to hang it head down. You can remove shoulders and then move to loins etc.

Also, when you've removed the head, shoulders and loins, then you are able to lower the deer to get at the hams, quarters etc.

I agree. I can dump out my beer and go back to my reloading room. Deadline is upon us here.

Amen.....

This is the best I have ever heard it put.

We are now to 4 in 4 days on public land. Not bad for the do nothing couch riding [bleep].

Has the OP found a scope yet?

Tasteless doesn't scratch the surface.

LMAO

Not surprising.

Usually come here for information from the guys. Agree to disagree but this one went way off. Bunch of women OTR. Sorry but! I like Chevy's you like Fords let's buy a Dodge. Color me crazy.

Yea. I saw an ad showing 29 miles per gallon. But I would take the one with 500 horse power.

More side track -----

I have a Dodge 2500 diesel, has lots of power. Great on fuel. It's been a great truck and, it was made in 04. For you people in Rio Linda, that makes it 11 years old.

I really hope, people can get past being small. Making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Blessing to you all. Life is way too short for sour attitudes.

You all take care.

goalie,

How does it work in your exceedingly shallow gene pool,when you pass along such AWESOME Traditions?!?

Does Titty Boy get to wear the AWESOME Tallahassee Wart Hog mask,get handed the AWESOME Buck knife and then get to make the first cut in the AWESOME Upside Down Doe? Are the spectators wearing helmets and drool bibs,with Dueling Banjos rockin' the airwaves? Do tell. Laughing!

Here's to amazingly low standards,being your highlights...as you do the best you can,with what incredibly fhuqking little you have to work with.

No more Richard Simmons poses,please.

Laughing!

Bless your heart....................















'STUART,

One needn't shovel water and it keeps the riff-raff away...................(grin)















'Inman,

Lots of Stupid Fhuqkers,reliably do STUPID schit and being privvy to same,is hardly a fhuqking "endorsement".

Gravity ain't subject to debate,nor is air flow or Skoozle Pipery. Great time to nod your head,like you've a fhuqking clue. Laughing!

Nikon is "blessed" with the Optical Trifecta,in that they don't make a scope,spotter or bino worth a fhuqk and THAT,takes some doin'.

I enjoy it when Dumbfhuqks condone STUPIDITY,as if it's a cognizant "choice".

FUNNY schit!

Hint......................















WhoreHey!,

You simple minded Whining Kchunt. Only you,can prevent YOU,from saying something fhuqking STUPID and it is a hilarious constant,that you are powerless in the refrain.

Ooops! Don't "forget" that you "can't read" this.

Laughing!........................
















TBS,

Is there ANYTHING you won't fhuqking Whine about,you Estrogen charged Drama Queen?

Find me "mistaken"...I assure you,it will be fhuqking FUNNY! Hint.

Don't be afeared to hold your breath and stomp your itty-bitty feet,to fully compliment your brazen "stand".

Cheer up,noone can "bully" you better than you can,by simply doing your best. Your amazing ineptitude and colossal Dumbfhuqkery,is noone else's "fault"...you "hard charger" you. Hint.

Laughing!................................
















Raeford,

The OP didn't want any help,she just wanted her schitty fhuqking ideas condoned. Typical Do Nothing Broke Dick Turd Polishing Dumb Fhuqk Pity Party...justa different day. Laughing!

All the Dumb Kchunt has to do,is take notes,apply same and connect ALL dots. I can only lead 'em to water and won't make 'em drink.

Hint...........................















MERWIN,

The only time TBS connects a dot,is when the Whining Kchunt quotes me.

It's a right proper Dichotomy,that happens to be funnier than fhuqk.

Win/win.......................















'Deernut,

Your Imagination and Pretend are on fhuqking fire!

Again.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















Axtell,

No schit?!? "Heavy Industry"? Laughing!

Fascinating,that you "think" that sheer and utter Stupidity is a roadmap to POA/POI intersections. On the average,just how "loud" is your Imagination when you "shoot" it?!? Spare no "details". Laughing!

If you only had an inkling,as to how far you were in over your pointy head........................

















Oldelkkchunt,

PLEASE say you are making a "stand" and packing your bags with the "100's" of other Stupid Fhuqks?!? Schit floats,so you'll be OK. Laughing!

You are a permanent poosie,you "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart......................















rjf,

An exceptionally astute individual,took the time to connect them dots with 100% accuracy and crystalline clarity. No need to try to reiterate that obvious,especially given your glaring lack of a first fhuqking clue.

It'll come as a "surprise" only to you,that not all chamberings/boolits are equal.

Who chews your food for you?.............................















'330,

You sappy ignorant Kchunt,you couldn't pour piss out of a fhuqking boot!

I enjoy that the crystalline facts sail over your pointy head and the best that your means,ability and comprehension will allow you to do,is Whine.

Congratulations?!?

VERY good call to refrain ALL things The Rifle and stay steadfast in Estrogen,instead.

You go girl!....................















'hooper,

I only make sense,to them that have sense and it is hilarious to grant lotsa slack on the rope,for them who THINK they do.

Then let the Stupid Fhuqkers remove all doubt otherwise.

Laughing!........................
















'madman,

"Derailed"? Hardly. In the end,what else can a Whining Clueless Kchunt do...besides Whine like a Clueless Kchunt?!?

Though admittedly,the Minnesota Upside Down AWESOME Doe Chronicles,is some EPIC fhuqking humor and I mean AWESOME! Titty Boy just might get to shoot one herself,one "lucky" day.

Laughing!.......................


















'NH,

Supidity is the "Gift" that keeps on giving.

As nice as it would be,to tell a Clueless Whining Fhuqk to stop being so...it simply ain't in the cards. The Estrogen is planted too deeply and a Richard Simmons pose can strike anywhere,at any time,in it's unbridled AWESOMENESS.

I'm fhuqking crying...I'm laughing soooooooooooooo fhuqking hard!

I say keep lotsa slack on the rope handy and watch The Show,as they do their "best".

Laughing!...................















Tarkio,

Anyone who's dabbled a Dead Critter,savvies that obvious.

But "luckily",there's always gonna be Stupid Fhuqks who are oblivious and it's hoot when they chime in,with their "experience" and AWESOME "traditions".

Laughing!.......................
















fredrica,

Those are some seriously nice Bulls,you must really get after it.

Bitchin' avatar.

Laughing!......................















heavysquawker,

Cheer up...even as fhuqking STUPID and broke as she is,the OP has more glass than you.

Bless your heart........................

















'pass,

Not all have the savvy to begin to be able to keep pace,as you eloquently attest,obliviously.

All dots were connected and it do put schit in perspective,that you still don't know.

Are you originally from Texas?

Laughing!..........................















Ringmam,

You still don't know if Christ was Crucified,or died of the fhuqking schits.

Bless your heart,you CLUELESS Kchunt........................
















'down,

Don't go slighting how "real" Imagination and Pretend are,to The Do Nothing Gang.

It's AWESOME.

Laughing!...................................