Friend has a 16" - general use....

Thinking a 2-7 or similar would be a good all purpose sight.

Thoughts?

I have an EoTech sight on mine.

I run a couple of old Weaver 2.5x and 3x fixed powers on mine. Good quality and you can't beat the price. I can't get used to the red dots yet but I don't do a lot of up close shooting with the rifles. One of the newer 1.5-4.5x would probably be the cheese on a carbine in my opinion. I'm going that way on my 7.62x39 upper shortly.

Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 on our 16" carbine.

Best of both worlds.


Dan

What do you want to use it for? I have irons on one, an Aimpoint Pro, and an old steel tube Weaver 1.5-4.5 for an upcoming 6.8 build.

Exactly, what is the intended use?

I much prefer a scope. But if I was forced to use a red dot, it would be an Eotech

I have several Ars in 223/556 and a couple in 6.8 . like others said all depends on your intended use . The 6.8s both have Nikon 2x7 , the smaller calibers a mix of Eotech , Vortex Strikefire up to a 3-12 on a 24" hvy bbl.

I took a buddy out to shoot who thought he wanted and AR with a red dot. I brought a VX6 1-6 scope and a T2 Aimpoint. I let him shoot at 50 yards out to 200 and he quickly saw the scope was a better all purpose optic.

That said, I have scopes and red dots for different reasons and enjoy both. I also shoot irons some. So it depends if you are gonna shoot close and fast or way out there but for most folks a good low powered variable scope will be a better optic. Even better if it has illumination and close to true 1x magnification like the VX6 1-6 with Firedot reticle or the SWFA 1-4.

VXR on mine..

Aimpoint Micro's on several
4x12x44 on the p-dog AR
1.5x5 on the 22LR AR

SWFA 1-4x. Great from close to far with a great illuminated reticle and a ton of elevation for dialing.

I have a 3-9x40 VXR CDS (fire dot duplex, 1/4 moa) on my hunting/longer range 5.56.

2-7x33 VXR CDS (fire dot #4 with 1/4 moa) on my 450 Bushmaster.

Both of the above are strictly hunting rifles really.

I have also used Trijicon 3-9x40, a couple red dots, and various lower powered 1-4X type scopes.

It just depends upon application.

That said, if I had to pick only one optic for everything, forever more, I would prolly go with a 1-6X like the VX6. Although, the above 2-7x33 wouldn't be too bad a choice either....

The Illuminatti is tough to whoop,as it's got it all.

62 Mils of erector travel,a KILLER reticle and sensational illumination,coupled with a well thought out rheostat and extry battery compartment. Pin it to 4x,tape to synch subtension in accordance to the erector's increments,forget ANY of the other "powers" even fhuqking exist and drive it with both eyes open.





Grab a sane zero,set the zero stop and rock the fhuqk on.



I hear good thangs about 75gr Hornie BTHP's at 2825fps outta a LW BHW 1-8" 18" Middie. The reticle alone,will "only" take it to the 975yd line with same,ala 200yd zero.

I'd go right to 'Horn rings and bask the 40MOA opening move inherent,if only to frost the cake.

Hint.

Prolly ain't horrid on a K-Hornet either.



The reticle,zero retention,tracking,illumination,rheostat and erector travel SMOKE Reupold's attempts.



Re-Hint.

I have used and liked 1x red dot sights at close range for many years. So many years, in fact, that I now prefer a low power scope so that the reticle can be brought into focus with the eyepiece.

When they make an moa based model I will buy one. I do like these.....

I tried a dot. Like a conventional scope that will go down to 1X on the low end. I find them much faster than dots or irons up close. Especially in low light. You can see the dot in low light, but not the target.

On 4X I have enough magnification for 200-300 yards at least. Some of the 1-6X options are probably good too, but 1-4X's are plentiful and less expensive.

I've tried 2-7X scopes. The difference between 2X and 3X is negligible, but the difference between 1X and 2X is remarkable up close. Anymore I'd just as soon go up to a 3-9X as have a 2-7X.

House gun...aim point micro.


My other AR has a 6.5-20 weaver on it.

How about both?

Wow, that's some great info gang, well thought out.

Looks like a compact 1-4x will get much work done for the purpose of this fella's use. Odds are a bolt would get more play for longer shots. Boxer - what range is that Illuminatti - assume SWFA?

Thanks for all those who replied, and for the pics.

https://www.amazon.com/Gilmour-01RW10GT-10-Pack-Rubber-Washer/dp/B003CESZ5S

Rubber hose washers to set zero stop? Great idea..

But they are all the same thickness??? Howzit work?

Two stacked together will allow you to dial down past zero till you feel pressure. Then back up to your zero. You won't get a dead stop on your zero. I feel it tighten up 1/4 turn past zero on mine.

This ^^^

I have 5 guns, 4 with scopes, 1 with an RDS...........I really could do w/o the RDS as I can easily accomplish what it does with a scope & be better for LR work at the same time.

MM

Red dots suck in low light or at night in my experience. Scope for me.

That's what lights are for

Somebody oughta could should make some in various thicknesses. I'm gonna have to experiment a bit. Machinist/benchrester up the road drills and taps the cover-cap-knob and puts in a longish set screw with lock nut so as to adjust it and lock it.

I make them (on my lathe) out of hard plastic for my Conquests and Nightforce SHV. One bummer of the "rings" method is it covers your reference line on the turret body. On my Conquests I put a dot of white paint on the scope body. On my SHV I got mo' fancier and milled a little cutout so I could still see the line.

The only tricky things are getting a good measurement and then, if a guy wants to go the cutout route, the ring needs to stay put on the turret body and not rotate. So it needs to be a light press fit.

I stuck a Vortex Crossfire II 1-4x with illuminated reticle on mine, cantilevered mount. I'm more than satisfied- for $300 and change (scope and mount).

Lot's of guys going to lot's of trouble to try and beat the hose washer idea, why I don't know. It works and works well.

1-4 scope, SWFA , ,or maybe the new Steiner

Lower power scope. 1-4 or similar. Wouldn't go bigger than 2-7.
Think vortex diamond back 2-7 has a pretty wide FOV

I've got an Aimpoint Micro, Aimpoint Comp, Vortex Sparq AR, 2 SWFA SS 1-4's, SWFA SS 3-15 and Trijicon 5-20x50 on AR's. All have the uses.

For one general purpose, I'd probably have to choose the SWFA 1-4.

Me?

Not sure if they'd fit an SHV, but if they did, they'd cover the vertical reference line for the turret. I like my solution better.

Thanks again folks, great info.

Curious, any thoughts on a fixed 4x33 Leupold? Could add a CDS or M1...or LR duplex perhaps.

Thanks.

FUNNY fhuqking schit!

How in THE fhuqk,did JeffZero "convince" herself that one "loses" the vertical scale ala Soft Stop?!? That is fhuqking HILARIOUS,that she can even fhuqk up crystalline pics!

Wow +P++!

Couple/few thousand words and all of them covered vertical reference scales. Have only seen 'em in use on 100+ scopes. Hint.

Though in fairness,I realize that it pales to (1) SHV Safe Queen's "testimony".

Laffin'!
















'BR,

The last Reupold 4x33 M1 I flogged upon,was an utterly DISMAL fhuqking failure and "tracked" like a Mad Woman going to take a schit. No rhyme and certainly no fhuqking reason. Adjustment increments were all over the place and it would not adjust in lineal fashion,nor repeat.

In fairness however,it were aboard a Magnum Research 22LR and that platform is tough on glass. It faired no better,when rolled to a boltgun.

The Illuminatti STEALS the fhuqking show.

Hint.

It all depends on how you expect to use the rifle. For a home defense gun it's hard to beat an Aimpoint. They're well proven by the military. I have a T1 on one of my rifles which is great in all light conditions and at ranges under about 100 yards. People with good eyes can use these effectively at much longer ranges. I like the Eotech reticle but they have had some reliability problems.

If you are primarily going to be hunting or target shooting then a scope is better. Again it depends on what you will be doing. I like 1-4 power for general use and have a couple of Burris MTAC 1-4's on rifles I use in 3 Gun. They are 30mm and have a wide field of view. The reticle works great for action competition where speed is important but would not be the best for precision shooting. They work fine for shooting plates out to 300-400 yards. You can get them for about $350.

If you have a bigger budget there are all kinds of scope options that are higher quality at whatever magnification range you want.

For me it depends on my intended use. My HD guns have a red dot and the other a 1-4x. I have a midrange gun with a 2-7 that I typically use for calling coyotes and general truck duties when in the woods. My precision ar has the Leupold Mark 6 3-18x and it is absolutely superb in that role.

6x magnification, Short, light, good reticle for holding distance, zero stop and locking turrets and tracks true.

Msrp is a bit crazy but nib the TMR reticle like mine can be found at $1800 which is NXS money and less then US Optic, S&B etc yet in a compact package rivaled by only the S&B Short Dot which runs about $1000 more.

I will be buying another for a lightweight 6x47 build I have planned.

There is a guy on snipershide who sells UHMW shim sets for like $20. You get shims for 2 turns, 1 turn, 1/2 turn amd 1/4 turn.

You zero the gun then count turns to bottom out the turret. Dial back to zero, remove the turret and add the appropriate shims then reinstall the turret cap on zero Mark.

I have them in my SWFA 3-15 and they work great. I needed 1 3/8 turns for my ar10 so I ground the 1/2 turn shim until it stops .2 mils below my zero to remove any tension in the reticle.

Also Jeff is mistaken in thinking the hose gaskets cover any reference lines. They fit inside the turret cap and jam on the turret body of the scope thus you can't see them.

I have an old Redfied Accutrac widefield on mine. I like the wide field of view. I have walked the scope out to 500 yds I use the 62 grain Barnes. If I use the range finder, anything out to 500 yds better duck. Buy a leupold 4.5 x 14, have dial cut to bullet, velocity, etc. That be best. In my opinion

I have used numerous sights for my A R 15. I use E0techs, Aimpoints and different power scopes. I still keep putting on the Leupold LPS 1.5 X 6 X 42. It fits all the uses for close in and long shots. It has great glass from 25 yards to 300 yards. Good shooting!

I have 3 ar's. My home defence 223 has a burris ar332,my blinker 223 has a phillipines made 2x7x 40and my hunting 6.8spc has a 2.5x 10x44 simmons aetec.