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Posted By: LeftHunter DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/28/09
I am trying to set up an aoudad hunt on public land for 2010. I believe that New Mexico is the only place that this type of hunt would be possible(over the counter tags, with public land available)but I might be wrong. I would like to know if any one has tried this before and what units in New Mexico would be best. Also any other information would be grately appreciated (like best time of year to hunt). Also what bullet would you recommend for Aoudad in a 7mm remington mag? Thanks for your replies.

Posted By: Sprint11 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/29/09
Barbary tags are no longer OTC for public land. They were included in the draw this year. Private land tags can still be bought OTC, but it's hard to gain access to most of those ranches with sheep on them without paying. Units 30 & 32 are the primary units containing sheep with a few herds to the west in unit 34.
Posted By: NMpistolero Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Sprint is right about Barbary going to a draw. Last season was the last season to buy over the counter. There are still over the counter statewide year round tags that are good for all the units that aren't in the LE units(SE NM). Sheep are pretty scatterd though and require a lot of scouting and even more luck! As far as bullets go, Barbary do tend to soak up lead but,like everything else, any good hunting bullet put in the right spot will put them down. I shoot accubonds in my 7mag but looking to try the 168 bergers this season.
Posted By: TOBYJOETRUBY Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
I think that unit 9 is still an OTC tag. I was up there this last weekend and could have killed a a 28-29 inch ram. He was with 24 ewes and little ones. Not hunting sheep, looking for tahr. Unit 9 is a rough dirty SOB for where the sheep are, but it is a fun hunt.

Toby Joe
Posted By: LeftHunter Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Thanks for the replies so far. I am trying to talk to someone in the New Mexico Game and Fish department to better understand which areas still have OTC tags but all I have gotten so far are recordings. If you don't mind me asking what is the best area in unit 9? Also what amount of time should I alot for this hunt? I could probably spend 1-2 weeks strait on this hunt. I am also planning on this being a backpack in backpack out type of hunt. Is this a good assumption?
Posted By: TOBYJOETRUBY Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
PM sent.

Toby Joe
Posted By: Sprint11 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Toby joe,

Are you sure you were in NM? Tahr?


Lefthunter,

Water canyon area.
Posted By: TOBYJOETRUBY Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Its not a secret. They escaped out of the Water Canyon high fence several years ago. Theres not alot of them, but I know several people who have seen and killed them. There is an established population of them, it is just very low. Do some research if you dont believe me.

Toby Joe
Posted By: Sprint11 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
LOL. I did. Sure enough they are there. Dammit,,,,now I have to start scouting for another hunt!

Dion
Posted By: TOBYJOETRUBY Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Where you from in NM?

Toby Joe
Posted By: Sprint11 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Albuquerque.
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Tobyjoe and Spirit11,
I have hunted these barberys along the slopes of the southern sac mnts and they are a bitch. I have even ventured out onto the eastern plain out way below (20-30 miles) mayhill. They are there, I just never caught up with one. One ol' rancher from the mayhill area told me good luck...you will need fast horses and magnum rifles.
The thing that pisses me off to extreme is that NM must delete this foreign animal from our shores... and that is not a raciest statement. Because NMF&G will not introduce NATIVE desert bighorn sheep where the the aoudad runs amok. My opinion...shoot them all...over the counter license sales $10 a tag. Yet I forgot, NMF&G would rather not take a Leopoldian Gila stance in the world, in trade for, profit and running the largest exotic game ranch in the world at the expense of the rancher and his cows. Shoot those sumbitches, I want healthy desert bighorn.
But, that is just my opinion.
LNF!%)
Posted By: rost495 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
LNF I don't have much to comment on, but anytime we get a native back over an exotic, I agree.

Except for the edibililty of the Chital or Axis...
Posted By: TOBYJOETRUBY Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Last time I looked, we were talking about the sheep in unit 9 and Mt Taylor, not Mayhill, Roswell or Ruidoso. I dont think that they could kill all the sheep out of unit 9 if they tried. Its been an over the counter tag for years, and they still dont kill many. Its too rough, and most people wont go through the effort to find them, or hunt them. If they are not on the road, they dont see them. I would be for the desert big horn deal, but chances that you will ever draw one of those tags, even if they stalked every Mountain range in NM with Bighorns, is very low, and probably will never happen. I would rather hunt Audads, whenever I wanted, save my money, and go to Canada, or somewhere that I can buy a bighorn tag. And not have to jack with the idiots of NMDGF. Being an outfitter in NM, Im get real tired of the pencil pusher game biologists telling me whats best for our game herds, and they dont even know which end the [bleep] comes out of the animals that they are trying to manage. JMHO

Toby Joe
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
rost, I'm just pissin' and moanin'!\
But, in the NM Desert Bighorn Mgnt Plan it says (the guad mnts are just sse of the southern sac mnts):

Guadalupe Mountains (Table 5, Figure 2). While this range is comprised of good quality
bighorn sheep habitat, and had native bighorn until the 1940�s, the presence of domestic and
Barbary sheep currently preclude reintroduction of desert bighorn sheep [see Domestic sheep and
goats and Exotic ungulates] (Sandoval 1979a). Private landowners once grazed thousands of
domestic sheep. With the decreased value of wool, this number has dramatically declined,
however, many landowners retain domestics and numbers could increase should the wool market
rebound. There are an estimated 400-770 Barbary sheep in the Guadalupe Mountains with even
greater numbers north of the range. Until domestic sheep are eliminated or double fenced, and
Barbary sheep are eliminated or substantially reduced, this mountain range will not be viable
habitat.
Sacramento Mountains (Table 5, Figure 2). There have been no historic reports of bighorn on
this mountain, however there are reports of their presence starting in the 1930s (Sandoval
1979a). Bighorn habitat is limited but the range could support a small bighorn population.
Presence of domestic sheep, Barbary sheep, and feral goats currently preclude transplants to this
area [see Guadalupe Mountains] (Sandoval 1979a).

Or:

Exotic Ungulates. Aoudads, also referred to as Barbary sheep, are native to North Africa, and
were released in the Hondo Valley, Largo Canyon, and the Canadian River drainage between
1955-1970 (Ogren 1962). Viable populations have become established in historic bighorn
habitat in the Guadalupe and Sacramento Mountains. Aoudads are occasionally sighted in desert
bighorn habitats in the San Andres Mountains. They compete with desert bighorn due to their
higher rate of increase, ability to subsist on lower quality forage, and preference for habitat
similar to that of bighorn (Seegmiller and Simpson 1979). Aoudads are socially aggressive when
they encounter bighorn and may disrupt the rut. The potential for aoudads to transmit diseases to
bighorn is unclear. It is NMDGF policy to eliminate aoudads that occur in bighorn sheep habitat.
Persian wild goats, also known as ibex, were released in the Florida Mountains in 1970.
Originally from Iran, they have been sighted in the Do�a Ana Mountains 12 miles west of
occupied range in the San Andres Mountains, and a skull was recovered in the Alamo Hueco
Mountains in 1997. Like aoudads, Persian wild goats are a potential competitor with desert
bighorn sheep. A desert bighorn sheep, assumed to be from the Fra Cristobal population, was
captured while running with a group of feral Caprids (Spanish goat/ibex crosses) on the Ladder
Ranch in south central New Mexico in 1999. The potential for disease transmission exists,
however Persian wild goats housed adjacent to desert bighorn sheep at Red Rock in the early
1970�s were able to go nose-to-nose with desert bighorn with no documented disease
transmission. Both aoudads and Persian wild goats are potential alternate prey items that may
subsidize mountain lion populations to the detriment of native desert bighorn sheep. These
species also occupy former desert bighorn sheep habitat, precluding reintroduction into those
ranges.
Gemsbok, also referred to as oryx, were released onto WSMR between 1969 and 1977. Oryx,
originally from Africa, have expanded their range into rocky foothills that overlap bighorn
habitats in the San Andres Mountains and have moved into flat terrain on the periphery of
bighorn habitat in the Fra Cristobal Mountains. Although oryx are unlikely to be major
competitors with desert bighorn, the potential for disease transmission [see Diseases] and the
possibility for oryx to be alternate prey for mountain lions exists. Oryx calves, hunter-wounded
oryx, and oryx gut piles left by hunters may subsidize mountain lion diets, keeping the number of
mountain lions in these areas artificially high. Oryx have been observed in high elevations
(>6500�) in the San Andres Mountains on a regular basis, overlapping with desert bighorn
habitat. The Oryx Management Plan (NMDGF 2000) signed by NMDGF and WSMR
recommends the reduction of oryx in bighorn habitat.

Reference:

http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/conservation/documents/everythingfinalBighornSheepPlan.pdf

Shoot those damn exotics, not state run greed for their existance over the natives. Come on, NM G&F! If you want to hunt big game in Africa then go to Africa or Persia, but give our native wildlife a break from these foriegn herbivors.
LNF150
Posted By: NMpistolero Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
LNF, I agree to a point. NMDGF should be doing something to enhance the Desert Sheep populations in NM! Basically all we have is a feeding program for lions!As far as reintro protocol there are few ranges that historically had deserts and now have Barbary. The Guadalupes no doubt would be perfect except for the fact that much of that country is still Domestic sheep country and there are way too many lions in that country to support a reintro there (unless we want to change up the lion diet!) These Barbary fill a niche here in SE NM that is great for hunters. Now SW NM as well as a few central ranges are a different story. Which is why there are still otc tags. NMDGF also have a shoot on sight policy to kill wandering Barbary in Desert Ranges.Like I said, I agree, I wish every mountain range from the Organs to the AZ state line had a viable-huntable Desert herd, but it's not really the Barbary's fault that there isn't. I love sheep hunting, Barbary and hopefully, one day, Deserts but I promise everytime I glass up a big Barbary ram I pretend I just found a 180 Desert!
Posted By: SLM Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
That is so true about the Barbary in 9, I have hunted them many times and about the time you think you have them figured they all but vanish. I have only caught a glimpse of the tahr but I will keep trying till it all comes together.
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 06/30/09
Tobyjoe, I understand your pissed off-ness from my off topic from your Unit 9 to my unit 34. And yes you are right we may never live to draw out and shoot a desert big horn, but maybe our children or grandchildren would if the dark continent competition wasn't there. If you think about it, the oryx, ibex and barbary started from very small populations and look where we are at now. Shoot those down and bring back the desert big horns in small populations and in 40 years (just like the nonnatives) you will have big huntable wild populations of native bighorn sheep. Helicopter gunning is the eviction notice.
LNF!%)
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/01/09
NMpistolero,
I know I have stirred up a hornet nest of disenting opinion, but the lion pop in the guad is a simple predator/prey relationship. Nuke the aoudad's out of existance in that area and that will cycle down the lion pop or they will have to move elsewhere. Puma concolor is not an endangered species, in fact, it ranges from far North America (canada) down to Terra de Feugo. Seriously mnt. lions are a dime a dozen in the northern and southern hemisphere, shoot them too...they are not as rare as the genetics of desert big horns. Very common. The trick of the whole thing is to provide spaces for longevity and genetic diversity...in terms of this 'southern' big horn sheep. Who give a rat's patoot about cougers, domestic sheep, barbery's, Ibex or oryx if we can't just have an essential piece of the puzzle. The big cats thrive off what nonnatives we provide. Is that not the truth?
Posted By: TOBYJOETRUBY Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/01/09
You did not stir up a hornets nest with me. Im just for the more animals to shoot at, the better, as far as Im concerned. I know that Bighorns are a delicate species, prone to disease and infection, but there has to be a way for both to survive. Audads and bighorns coexsist in West Texas, and there are very large numbers of audads there. NMDGF just needs to pull there heads out of their arse, kill every lion, coyote, and predator breathing air in the sheep units, and start stocking.

Toby Joe
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/01/09
Toby Joe,
You are correct, 110%. NMG&F need to pull that financial
d-doe' out of their rectum, sniff it, and maybe, just maybe, lick it for a taste test.
My problem is, I know what the state hired biologist know about the management of native species. I hope all those guy and gals have knee pads, for it is just a 'yes man's' game and they sold their souls for an income, rather then what they learned to be the truth. Helicopter gun the barbary, oryx and ibex, they are no different then feral pigs. And the real pigs are the one's makeing PR and DJ money back from non native species that compete severely with native species.
Posted By: SLM Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/01/09
LNF150 I understand your side but, I had a blast chasing Ibex with a bow and my son and I have enjoyed hunting Oryx off range 3 times, it is a nice weekend get away to try and find a 30" Barbary so I totally disagree with your thinking but we all have an opinion.
Posted By: NMpistolero Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/01/09
LNF like I said I agree that The world would be a better place if we had Deserts in even half of their historic range. It's not impossible( AZ has done a good job) but in reality not gonna happen. Sounds Like you have some schooling, I also have the same degree as The black and blue guys. We all know introducing exotics is never good for an ecosystem, but(big but) in this case, might(big might) fill a niche that provides more opportunity(I hate that word) for hunters. The best thing for Deserts would have been to never have introduced the exotics, but even then they would still have to compete with the sheep ranchers, who typically have more clout in the political arena.
I also agree NMDGF usually have their Heads in their rears, but can you imagine the public outcry if they started arial gunning these animals. Santa Rosa Island is bad, this would be huge!

As far as lions and predator/prey relationships I have some problems with that. Like it or not WE have changed the ecosystem. Again in a perfect world there would be a balance but there is not. Get rid of the sheep and the already decimated deer herd(native) will take the brunt of it. That country down there is rough very little snow, it would take a bunch of good dry ground houndsmen(another dying breed) to really cut numbers. If you went in there and leg snared a bunch they'd be bichin that we're killing all the lions.

Any way you look at it, IT'S ALL F'ED!!!!!!!Might as well just enjoy the damned exotics!!!


Hope that didn't come off as argumantative or butt hurt. That's not how I meant it. I've enjoyed our "thought provoking conversation"!

NMDGF SUX!
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/01/09
SLM,
It actually is so cool to be able to hunt exotics on federal or private lands, just look at the ring neck pheasant or hungarian partridge. Yet we want the priviledge of hunting the prey, with out having to compete with the natural predators (who might actually run us down). If we are going to have oryx and barbary sheep, should we not import lions and hyenas to keep the pop. in check. Pants Crapping Terror! Or could 'we' all as paying 'wildlife managers' do it ourselves? Doubtfull. It takes a state game agency to expand a non native crop, for federal PR & DJ monies. Look at the eurasian dove...NM has a hunting season on them...why? Because it means money in to coffers of worthless biological supervisors at the state level, when it should be a shoot to kill order. AZ does it, why don't we? If aoudads impact native desert sheep or eurasian dove impact morning doves or english house sparrows impact native song birds, when do we take a stand...or do we?
Personally, I would rather my wife pull a 'last of the mohicans' shot on a wild bull elk, then have to pay $100.00 for a state run can hunt. And that is all NM has become is an exotic game ranch. Plus, how much do ibex, orxy and aoudads eat, your not paying for the grazing rights, nor are they overhauling grass on your back 40 that your cows could me chewing on. It's the ecomonics of ecology and what this land will support. Native hebivores, yes. Non Natives, No.
Posted By: stumpy Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/02/09
Simple question from a non sheep hunter. Does the desert bighorn survive, multiply and endure as good as the Auodads? It seems like Auodads are like our feral hogs. Unstoppable.

stumpy
Posted By: mudhen Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/02/09
Fortunately, their habitat preferences keep them pretty well confined to really rough country when they have a choice.

When I was in graduate school, I looked at a place in Central Texas that had introduced aoudads. The fellow had a section (640 acres) that was high-fenced so that the animals could not escape. He was charging for hunts. In the six years since he had released the aoudads, their numbers had tripled. Despite year-round hunting, only one animal had been harvested. This was a brushy, rocky section of land, and the aoudads knew every inch of it.

His whitetail numbers had dropped to almost nothing and the three axis deer that he had released along with the aoudads had vanished. He ended up paying a friend of mine to trap them all--an effort that took almost two years. The owner sold the live-trapped animals, but with the cost of trapping he just barely broke even.
Posted By: SandBilly Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 07/02/09
Originally Posted by SLM
LNF150 I understand your side but, I had a blast chasing Ibex with a bow and my son and I have enjoyed hunting Oryx off range 3 times, it is a nice weekend get away to try and find a 30" Barbary so I totally disagree with your thinking but we all have an opinion.



+1
Posted By: efw Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/17/09
Lefthunter,

I'm curious as to how you did finding an OTC tag and whether you had success on your hunt?
Posted By: Tejano Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/17/09
The main carrier for disease for Bighorns are domestic sheep not exotics. One Texas Bighorn was headed for the Guadalupes all by himself.

If you hunt Oryx or Aoudads hard enough they move. I've seen this in Texas and Namibia.

Hope there are both OTC exotic permits and more sheep restoration efforts in the future.
Posted By: huntem Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/17/09
While it wasn't public land, I had an awesome time in Texas a few years ago. I was very fortunate to shoot a pretty good ram, also. Free ranging south of Balmorhea.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: euge Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/17/09
huntem

That's a very nice aoudad, & a great picture too! I shot a decent ram just south of there near Alpine a few years ago.

After chasing them through the desert mountains for 5 days I realized it wouldn't take much to turn me into a sheep addict.
Posted By: efw Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/18/09
Huntem,

That is a REALLY nice aoudad man! Thanks for sharing the picture!

What'd you shoot him with? What was the range of the shot? How was the experience of the hunt?

I've wanted to hunt these for a while now. I think I may have to fund a trip for myself and one of my sons before too long.
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/18/09
Yep. that's a dandy for free ranging. nice going.
Posted By: tx270 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/18/09
I'm witth LNF and a couple others here.

NEW MEXICO IS [bleep] STUPID for making aoudads a draw requirement. Its a friggin exotic, non-native species that DIDN'T BELONG THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I've killed several aoudads in the Big Bend area, they are very challenging to hunt and make a fine mount, but they are starting to compete heavily with the mule deer in our area, they eat all the same things in our area and the mule deer population has suffered because of them.

All I'm saying is the aoudads are there(NM), thats fine. But you should be able to shoot them any time of year without a tag, period, just like Texas.

In Texas you can shoot them anytime just like any varmint or exotic and their populations are still increasing.

Bill
Posted By: pointer Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/18/09
Originally Posted by tx270
I'm witth LNF and a couple others here.

NEW MEXICO IS [bleep] STUPID for making aoudads a draw requirement. Its a friggin exotic, non-native species that DIDN'T BELONG THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I've killed several aoudads in the Big Bend area, they are very challenging to hunt and make a fine mount, but they are starting to compete heavily with the mule deer in our area, they eat all the same things in our area and the mule deer population has suffered because of them.

All I'm saying is the aoudads are there(NM), thats fine. But you should be able to shoot them any time of year without a tag, period, just like Texas.

In Texas you can shoot them anytime just like any varmint or exotic and their populations are still increasing.

Bill
You know of any places wanting to get rid of them that aren't charging large fees to shoot them? I'd love to get one, but am having a hard time swallowing the price tag on some of the hunts I've found.
Posted By: tx270 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/18/09
pointer,

The problem now is the TV hunting shows and folks that have hunted them have figured they are a challenging hunt that typically takes place in very pretty country.

So now outfitters and ranches have figured out they can make big bucks off them.

I'm not putting down the outifitters or ranches, they are just trying to make a living, if something new comes along they can supplement their income with, thats just business.

The problem I see is now they are protected more in some areas because of $$ than they should be at the sacrafice of the native species.

The ranches that don't outfit have gone to helicopter gunning for them.

Bill
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/18/09

"It is NMDGF policy to eliminate aoudads that occur in bighorn sheep habitat." This comes directly from the official state NM desert bighorn recovery program. pg. 40

http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/conservation/documents/everythingfinalBighornSheepPlan.pdf

Yet, if that is our goal, why would you have a draw for aoudad hunting with very high prices attached to the tags??? An aoudad tag should cost $20-30 dollars over the counter at walmart, if your honest goal is to eliminate them from New Mexico desert bighorn sheep range.

Posted By: JGRaider Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/18/09
That's a stud huntem.......Congrats!
Posted By: efw Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/19/09
Originally Posted by LNF150

"It is NMDGF policy to eliminate aoudads that occur in bighorn sheep habitat." This comes directly from the official state NM desert bighorn recovery program. pg. 40

http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/conservation/documents/everythingfinalBighornSheepPlan.pdf

Yet, if that is our goal, why would you have a draw for aoudad hunting with very high prices attached to the tags??? An aoudad tag should cost $20-30 dollars over the counter at walmart, if your honest goal is to eliminate them from New Mexico desert bighorn sheep range.



I'm totally with you; the fact of the matter is that governments are very short on monies right now and will do whatever it takes to raise funds, including violating the express will of their own science-based policies.

There is nothing that the gov't can't politicize if there is enough money in it for them. You gotta believe that there are wildlife management areas all over wishing that wild hogs were more desireable to sportsmen so they could take full advantage of that invasive.
Posted By: LNF150 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/19/09
The thing that tips the scale and pisses me off every single time are the blantant lies being told over pitman/robertson money. The NMDGF wrote that 10 yr action plan to get the p/r money to fund the reintroduction program, with the huge cavat that barbaries would be killed to the extreme in the home ranges of the desert bighorn. So in the time I have been here, the over the counter tag went to an expensive draw and that will not live up to the promised plan.

I know time in our daily lives is precious, so reading that whole 60+ pages of desert bighorn reintro management into NM is boring at best. But, all I ask is to look at the contridictions. This federal money was paid for by everyone on the 24 hour site for on purpose and one purpose only, returning desert bighorns to there home. And you were told a flat lie by the new mexico game and fish that they would clear out the best habitat for desert bighorn sheep...Bull Schitt they did not. All they did was charge higher prices for aoudad tags and make the tags a draw.

Not, you, me or anyone can set back down an aoudad population under those guidelines.

I just hope whoever wrote or thought up that desert bighorn reintro plan goes to jail for diverting federal wildlife funds. Because that plan is a 10 year lie on how to support aoudads and not desert bighorns.
Posted By: pointer Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 12/19/09
Tx270- That is what I've figured has happened. $$ talks. Sounds like a similar issue with hogs in many places where they are problems. Folks want them gone, but they want it to pay as well. I'll keep looking for hunts for both and see what I can find. At the prices they charge on some of those places in TX it may be cheaper to play the lottery in NM.
Posted By: Hoov Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 01/05/10
Are you still looking for a hunt for this year?
I think there's one spot left for a DIY New Mexico Barabary sheep hunter here:

http://www.huntthewest.com/2010/OUsheep.php

It's a trespass-fee type of deal.

I hunted unguided on a property that Chris had leased in 2007 and had a fun hunt. Me and a buddy both took 28-inch rams on the 2nd day.
Posted By: Neutral88 Re: DIY Aoudad Hunt - 01/06/10
I wanta know more about the NM Tahr!!!

There is actually a working population???

ANybody got any pics, or killed one???
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