If Ruger didnt step on their crank with the P85 and it's fugged up decocker design on that model .
They woulda had the time to submit this model and we wouldnt have had been using fugged up M9 Berreta,s for 20 25 some odd years.
I remember being in Germany and we got M9,s in 87.
6 months later 300k recall DOD wide for slides cracking around the firing pin holes.
Berreta fugged up the heat treat....
Not too mention a open barrel slide that was loose as fugg.
POA/ POI with a M9 even new ones... GLWT..........

P95? Ruger could still be selling the sheet out of them.

My first issued was a P90dc. Certainly not elegant, but it never failed and would have been a he'll of an impact weapon in a pinch!

George

A Ruger for our troops.

Not able to embrace that thought..................... at all.

Well

The box is purty

Got any more pics?

Got my NIB P89 home.
Factory grease still in slide grooves.
Punch barrel with Hoppes
Grease on patch,s.
0 signs of being fired examining it in depth

Pistol was clean and pristine when I was examining it at the guys home.
Older gentleman in his early 70,s
Said he bought it in 1993 and never fired it.
Put it in his safe.
Was kinda skeptical, but went along with him.

But fully convinced when I broke it down at the house.
NIB ......

Working on it.
Gotta blot out serial#,s

You already got pics via text man.
Lol!!!

Thanks be to Mas Ayoob. lol

Very few know the background of how we got stuck with m9 berreta,s .

Cause Ruger stepped on their crank with the P85.

I hear ya rene, the same with the Sig at present, leaving some wondering if the the test were fair.

The P85 a tank, robust to say the least. Ruger just needing to up their QC now. Then? Still, I'd take it over many others if the chit hit.

Oh yeah


I got one of those......somewhere around here. 😃

A buddy had a p89 when we were in HS. I always thought they were kinda neat.

Nice, old-school. Owned a few of them. P-85 Mk.II, P-89, P-90. None of them ever failed.

Nice sniff out you ol' hound!

Some of the 85,s went bang when decocking.
Ruger went back to drawing board and was 6 or 8 months late getting the 89 into the evals.

15rd mag cap
4.5 inch barrel (IIRC)
Decocker safety ( lots of morons easing hammer down on 1911,s going bang)
9mm
Were some of the mins for replacing the 1911,s

I had a Remington Rand 1911 with a new tight bushing as a 60 gunner at carson in 85.
Man that pistol shot to POA POI.
I was pretty darn good with that 1911.

Karma when I called ya and you said you had the same pistol.

LOL!!!

I thought you might have gotten the "Desperado" KP90s.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Desperado

I would go get mine and post pics, but Im kind of busy right now.

$275 tops

Kewl piece tho

Gonna be sporting a hogue wrap around finger groove grip tommorow from midsouth.
Look for mag plates for pinky extension purchase.
Cant abide these flat steel plates
Seen mcgar mags with em on the web
Just wanna find extension plates basically.
Pretty sure some are to be found.

LOL

Nice find Rene.

Thanks for the laugh, slumlord. How great is that... Wonder what's she cookin' for dinner when she's done weed eating.

Good score, should serve you well until you can get a Glock. Mil and Civ it is very difficult to teach folks to use a decocker prior to holstering. Old school Ruger autos are like old power wagons, not much fun to drive but they will get you there and back home again.


mike r

One day... I may have to buy a 9... Might even shoot it. Just to say I did.

Less than that.

Put my Jericho on armslist this morning at 730
Had 722 in it total.
Was asking 800
Willing to go 750 ish

Said open for interesting trades and cash.
Got a couple of text.
Crap offers
Shotguns
.22 rifles.
And cash.
Thank you for calling but I'm not interested.

Old guy text me around 1030
I call him up.
Told me what he had .
Said I was very interested in it.
We haggled back and forth on the phone for a bit.
Think we both enjoyed that.

Went up to his home up town.
We checked out both pistols.
Deal agreeable to each of us.

He gave me the P89
500 bucks
3 boxes of 9mm 115 gr.

So basically I got it for 222 dollars .

LOL. My thought exactly.

sorry

I lean more towards H&K.........FN.........SA

Oh and the lanyard/ dummy cord ring was one of the trial requirements back then also.

That’s a good spot to be

What’s it weigh?

About 6 lbs

If oberstrumgruppenfurher knew he was taking pics of her like that.

She would scuff him up like 80 grit sandpaper.

Kinda like me with Khan mowing pics.



LOL!!!

Very nice Rene, I've thought about getting one of those in the past but haven't done it, maybe it's time.

Damn Rene, thought you were long te on the Jericho.
What turned you off of it?

30 or 32 oz empty IIRC

I like metal frames.
Never been a big fan of polymer.

This is all stainless internals and heat treated beefed up huge slide rails in the Aluminum alloy frame.
Steel slide.

It,s a tank .
Not sexy.
But reliable.

Shot one a guy had in the late 90,s.
I liked it.

Nothing wrong with it at all
Plans to spend 500 bucks on a m70 Zpap AK 47 and offset the cost of it somewhat.
This 500 will cover over a little of half of it.
Hoping for a email notification from alantic firearms soon.
I have let that Zpap go twice on prior notifications over the last 5 months.
Not this time when it happens
They sell within 2 to 4 hrs of notice.
Each time the price has increased 20 to 30 bucks.

So I flipped the jericho and got this P89.

Just doing some creative financing and still have a decent pistol.

I go thru guns like grass thru a goose.
Very few make it to never get rid of core group status.

It's pretty! Great score.

It’s a tank all right. All heat treated SS internals is doubtful.

I Didnt say that stainless internals were heat treated

I said heat treated beefed up huge slide rails in the aluminum alloy frame

Won't win any beauty contests but they're hell for stout. Nice find if thats what you're wanting.

I have that exact pistol that bought as a 21 year old college student(1993 I believe). I just order some mec-gar 17 round magazines for it, which are still easily available on line if you look.
For me the stock sights are pretty small compared to “modern “ sights.
Aftermarket sights are hard to come by for the p89 but trijicon does still list 3 dot night sights as available....my slide is there now for installation. I’m excited about bringing my p89 out of retirement, enjoy yours!

Great deal! You stole it !

Gonna have to look for the 17 rd mecgars
Seen the 15 rd ones.
Really would like to find some pinky purchase floor plates and just flip out these flat steel ones.
Seen 20 rd extended plates also.

Lots of LGS in the area have good mag selection.
Probably walked by P89 mags a million times with out a thought.

Get the hogue grip in the morning.
Then cruise around town and see what I can find floor plate or mag wise.

Seen replacement sights on several wrbsites also.

Get out and shoot it 1st and see how it does.
If it's hitting to POA/ POI at 25yds.
It will be GTG.
I got blazer brass 124 gr
Speer 124 gr gold dots ( which I hope are to POA/ POI
And geco 115 gr.

Never realized that movie stuff.

LOL!!!

See how long you can keep yours. 😎



Ammo prices pretty steady.

Was $379

Maybe I dropped a third down w tax looking at the ticket.







Never noticed, looks like Bubba wrote the ticket as a P 85


Mine has some sheeit son, unspeakable scenes

Of underseat carry and neglect 😂

I also have the hogue grips on mine, you’ll like them.

People have been talking about the durability of these model for awhile. Remember this hilarious thread from 2009?



https://monsterhunternation.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/


From the comments:


"Trebor
October 12, 2007 at 4:43 am

Ah, I see you managed to draw out the HK fanboys with this post.

As an instructor I see my students bring in a lot of different guns. I’ve seen HK’s pistols fail at about the same rate as the other major brands.

You want to know the most reliable auto-pistols I see come through my classes? It’s not any of the HK guns. It’s not even the Glocks. The Ruger centerfire autopistols are the most consistently reliable guns I see. I’ve literally yet to see a student have a malfunction with a Ruger centerfire semi-auto. I can’t say that for any other brand."

There are other mentions of Rugers in the comments but the wife needs help filling out very simple forms "in Engrish".

I gots my eye on an Ed Brown Stainless Cobra Carry 1911... Soon.

Glocks are excellent guns.
Be cool if they could add weight in the polymer frame.
Some type of option the user could have with em????



Used a 22 as a deputy.
Owned a G24 .
Shot 17,s 19,s
Shot a guys 17 with a older laser on it.
Weight forward type of deal
That one actually felt like I had something in my hand.

The Glock grip and me aint never melded muscle memory wise.
For some reason metal frame pistols just seem more able for me to get into grip wise .
I think it is the weight in my hand signal to my brain and the less snappiness I know in my mind i will have in a steel or alloy frame pistol versus a polymer frame pistol

I wonder if glock has ever thought of designing weight features into open areas in their polymer frame.
Especially the larger calibers

Dunnno.


I think some glock models would be awesome with about 10 or 12 oz of weight added in the areas behind and most especially in front of the trigger gaurd.

Perhaps by simply increasing some outside contours on the frame just under the barrel and having added weight in those area,s
Would tame some of the snap outta some of the larger caliber models..



It's all jmo ....


Everyone has their bias and favs on stuff.

Gotta have finger grooves for sure!!!

A true gentleman.

He has been doing pics of her for years.

I dont how he aint never got busted.


LOL!!!

Aguila ammo was around in ‘91?

I though it popped up during the last ammo scare.

Mescans trying to cash in.

Looks good.

But the real question is :How does it shoot?

Yep great deal right there.

The post hole diggin womern was the best pics.


Got the ones of her digging a footing in the dark too, laughing. I think renegade with with me on them.

Conduit trench out to the pool. Below the frost line woman!!
😃

Obersturmgruppenfuher working town in the next day or 2.

Lets go shoot those dumb plates down by the pond ???
Bug dope up 1st.

?????


You know when I get the M70 ZPAP its gotta do the mandatory 3 or 4 back to back mag dump at your place!!!

It's become a tradition kinda for me!!!!



Also some reinforcement training for Cooper and Magnus not to break loose and come looking for us deer hunting.

LOL!!!

Poor magnus and cooper.
Been thru Wasr 10/63 mag dumps
C39V2 mag dumps
SLR 100H mag dumps.

You think them 2 would like AK 47,s and AKM,s by now...

Hahahaha!!!

Cant tell her to take a break.
She just takes that as incentive to prove whatever ....

LOL!!!!

Women......

Hardheaded trying to prove something in their way of thinking.

I was cutting her some line, she was going thru some string out there, some of that chit was over her head. lol


Then this big dummy wanted me to scratch his belly with them cuttin pliers. 😃😃

He was kick startin his motorcycle

We sold a schitt load of those old P-90’s in the Wholesale Firearms Industry when that movie came out!!! Couldn’t keep th in stock.

My Glock 40 is a handful and it has finger grooves. It's not Desert Eagle heavy, but still has plenty of weight up front.

My old P-89 was very accurate and Uber reliable. Never missed a beat. Dad liked it so much I gave it to him. Little brother has it now.
They were definitely built like a tank and hell for stout!

Nice score.

Gotta say the ruger p series guns are solid. I have a p89 that if it were the end of the world I would grab in a heartbeat. Eats anything and accurate with a trigger that although long has a perfect little hitch right before the break. Mine has the Hogue 2 part rubber grips and they are outstanding. Plus once your empty the are one helluva a pistol whipping club.

If not a carry piece, the extra weight is welcome.

Never pulled the pin on a Beretta, cause they had the safety on the slide.

That one looks more robust, as far as not movin when ya don't want it to.

only have Ruger revolvers.

Have a P89 from early 90's, has fired every 9mm you can think of. The only thing that has ever stopped it is if the primer is in backwards.

My wife gifted me a SS Executive Carry.
I love that pistol.
It came with Trijicons and the rear notch was too narrow and not enough room to open it up without getting into the vials so I replaced the front with a gold bead and the rear with the wide U notch.
But then I'm partial to 1911's anyway....

One of them P-89 bricks would make a good truck/boat gun though.

I like the stainless...I've never owned a Ruger, congrats!

Some decockers are designed to pull down and not push up to fire.
That is ergo and safety fugged up reaching your thumb up to pull down to fire
And puts the lever down where it could possibly bite you firing or move it enough if it makes contact with your strong hand thumb or an object somehow while fiing to put the wpn into safe or "false safe" midway and stop firing.

I have never had a aversion to decockers.
Biggest thing alot of people dont do is decock them pointed down range.
Always decock pointed down range.
No reason not too.
Take for granted type of stuff in a mechanical device.
Any mechanical device can fail at any time.
Lots of people dont think that way.

Then ya got the other side of the spectrum with cock and lock receiver safety guns and people riding a hammer down on a loaded chamber.


Every design has inherent common sense factors to obey.

Then you got striker fire designs with and without lever safeties.
And safety designs built into their triggers and internally also.


Bottomline is most people need some training with pistols.
And think of all the people buying guns now for the 1st time ever.

Lots of new gun owners with basically 0 experience.
And little or no common sense handling guns outside of their owners manual or videos on the web.
Or what guns can do or cant do outside of what they have seen on movies.

Its kinda scary thinking of all the new gun owners since march timeline of this year.


Typical example was a couple of days ago at a LGS.
little professional office worker/ smart phone kiosk at the mall type looking guy looking at a smaller sheild pistol.
Wanting to carry it stashed in his belly under his belt.....
All worried about having to buy new clothes for it for some reason.
Owner looked at me like" WTF help me out with this guy".
Started telling dude in a friendly advice take it or leave manner.
Last place ya wanna carry a loaded firearm is in your belly.
Blow you jewels out, hit a femoral artery.
Blow up your pelvic girdle.
Too many binding spots from your body and clothing from normal movement to carry a pistol in your belly.
Started discussing IWB and OWB holsters.
Belt carry holsters.
Ankle holsters.
Small of the back OWB holsters
Kydex molded to model holsters
Ect ect ect.
Basically how you want your muzzle clear line of your body as much as possible and being able to bring a pistol into action without fanning people you dont wanna shoot with your muzzle pointed at em.
Mostly dont fugging belly carry so you dont fughing shoot your fugging self 1 day...


Dude probably been watching too many movies....

I left...
Tried to help out in a friendly way as best I could.
Aint my fault you didnt have a BB gun growing up and aint got a lick of sense....

Dude
Obviously he had been thinking about it, so that means he is gonna no matter what ....
Hit the trifecta combo some day...

Shoot his willy off
Maybe a nut also
And a femoral arty / femur bone strike and shatter.
Thru the bottom of pelvic grirdle/hit lower spine or maybe straight out the bung hole.
Blow a knee cap off
Drill a foot.
Peritonitis from gut shooting your ownself.

Lol

Was at the vet today

Guy paying his mutt’s bill, had Key overalls on, leather belt no loops on overalls, just tight leather belt cinched up around one high hip, had a 1911, hanging off on a big heavy leather holster. Had the pant legs rolled up a couple of cuffs, Puma tennis shoes looked like he’d been wading in a creek with them for 15 years.

Doodoo braided pony tail beard about a 10” long, longer braided ponytail on the dome, bifocals, wiener dog under his left arm for backup.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THAT IS A FACT^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Myself, I never understood all the fuss. Heavy, tinny, whatsoever draws a man’s fancy. Rather have a piece with less bells and whistles.

Had the P94, 40 S&W. Bought it when they first came out. Top heavy, snappy recoil, but used it regularly. Moved on to an XD, then to an XDM. Happy with the XDM.

When disassembling the P94, always forgot to push forward the metal plate in the mag well.

Ruger ejector design is kinda strange.
A flip down plate assembly into the mag well.
I dont know why Ruger didnt just make a fixed ejector bar into the design.
Would have had 3 or 4 less parts involved in the pistol.
Probably a cost saving thing in production?
It does seem like an odd feature I have not seen before in semi auto pistols.

One of my BiL wanted me to help him with CC pistol purchase. Got him over a couple weeks back and first thing I ask is "how are you planning to carry it?" he gives me a blank look and says he hadn't thought of that just been researching carry pistols on line.

I drag out my box o holsters, he goes "why so many" I say some were mistakes from the get go and some get rotated depending on the weather and what kind of clothes I'm forced wear.

Tell him how much some cost, he goes "damn, thats more than I wanted to spend on the gun!"

Took him to the range with a bag full of pistols and a pile of ammo from my hoard. At least he listens well and didn't cover me or anybody else and got a taste of the differences between small, big and light, heavy etc. When we got back he had a better understanding why I have a large chest drawer full of holster options. And mistakes.

And yes, I personally will not stick a pistol in my pants aimed at my nuts and guts. As I age my dunlap disease has progressed taking that option off the table anyways. How does anybody get in a vehicle and drive with a handgun stuck inside the front of their pants?

I'm getting old but still really like my nuts and stuff.

Good on you for trying to help,

Classic Rene!

Hogue makes a grip for many (all?) in that P85 through P95 series that makes a big (positive) difference.

Their are people who will listen to advice and mull on it and use it in some form.

Then ya got others.
Im sure many have run into this type or know of em 1st hand .

The "fact checker" with someone of the same mentality after you speak with them.
I'm gonna use me and slumlords ex "friend" Willy G as an example.

Always come up to ya a day or several days later with this line.

The classic .....
" John said this , that, or the other".

Whatever....
Aint no point in even wasting O2 again talking with em.
You just kinda reply.....Yep, uh huh, really, well if that aint so, I'll be darned.
Just let the moron cruise on auto pilot and let him think he 1 upped ya fact checking with John.

Slumlord had ta deal with this all the time at work.
Willy G was a 15 yr janitor there with a 4yr degree, and slumlord was the city and county GIS head honcho.

LOL!!!
Aggravate the hell outta slumlord with all the " john said" stuff a day or two later.
TFF!!!


His mental equivalent bud John, his "Mr fact checker" go to guy.
Shot his own fughing leg deer hunting and then made up the story after the fact it was a good thing cause the docs supposedly found bone cancer in the leg when they had to amputate it off.


Same 2 Rocket scientist in a pop up deer blind couple years later.
Both falling asleep.
Then BOOM!!!!!
" Mr John said" touches off a round from a .270 weatherby magnum.
And misses willy g,s leg by a couple of inches.


Yepper........

I had a new ss P 85 once it was a good shooter utterly reliable, ran a couple hundred factory rds and 1000+ handloads thru it. Not 1 malfunction. Then 1 day I got a chance to pickup a LNIB CZ 75 so I did, this was back in the days where getting a cz 75 with no importer marks out of a commie block country rated damn near impossible. This one was legally brought in and I lucked out but got stupid and sold the p-85. I like cz's but a couple months a go when I wanted a new pocket rocket , I had no problem buying a Ruger ec-9 and no reliability problems with it either. What was wrong with the Jericho? Seemed like you were damn proud of it ,why move it you only got one hand or something? Mb

A thread that knocks Berreta and pumps Ruger? What wrong with this discussion?

Placing a phone in pick up order at 8am in a few .
Midsouthshooterssupply 3 miles down the bypass.
Plus I wanna show the pistol off to the guys at the pickup counter too.

LOL!!!

Have you ever used and dealt with a Berreta M9 in just about every enviorment on the planet.

It aint pretty......
The open top slide/barrel combo is not soldier friendly.
Everything from mud, fine gravel , rain, snow, dried leaves, dirt gets into em.
Plus they are loose after about 1k rounds.
And if ya get one that hits POA/ POI nicely.
Then you was blessed.
Kentucky windage drastically with some and others not so much.
Kinda like a box of chocolates.........

big difference in being "Joe useage proof" versus nice take it out of the safe for range day use in the civilian world.


JMO.
JME.

Jehrico was a excellent pistol.
Just moved it to offset cost of the M70 ZPAP I'm waiting to get.
I go thru alot of guns.
Have 6 I will wont sell.
Core group status guns.
All others in a outer orbit type of thing.
Its hard to explain why certain guns wont get sold and others get used and get sent down the road.
Alot have been project guns also at times.
Strike my fancy
Grow bored with em.
Wheel and deal em away


I would have a huge amount of guns ( estimate around 90 to 95)
If I never sold or horse traded guns ever and held onto to em all since growing up in Maine.


I got 9 guns currently.
6 core group
3 outer orbit hoping to make core group.

LOL!

BS, the Berreta's have passed every MIL spec out there. Your $300.00 cast gun hasn't. I'll keep my Berreta's

Your gunna like that puppy,I sure like my P-90..Built like a tank and has never jammed on me yet and it get's used heavily..Needs a good cleaning but it's a keeper..It's been under the seat/behind the seat and in the UTV bouncing around and never has failed..Finished off a good bull elk also..Can't say enough good on it..It goes everywhere we go..lol

Carry one in the middle east deserts and get back with me.
Tell me how a sand and fine gravel filled M9 runs.

Big difference in testing guns for eval in a set standard versus real world everyday hard use and carry.
If schitt aint end user Joe proof then that is the big issue.
Not how they passed test at aberdeen and other locations.
The P85 and P89 never got submitted for eval.
Perhaps you could explain better why the M9,s also got recalled for cracked faces around the firing pin hole within 14 months of them being fielded.

Feel free to fact check that.....

Sorry you take my post so that it hurts your feelings brand loyalty wise.
It is what it is.
1st hand experience world wide over a 24 yr career as a Infantryman
Using and dealing with Berreta M9,s aka M92 , m94 platform.
Not just me but 10,s of thousands of combat arms types in the military over the M9,s service life had the same opinon.
Dont ask the MP at the gate about the one he draws outta the arms room for his shift each day and qualifies on twice a year.
Ask the Joe or Marine in a combat arms unit who carried one 24/7 365 on a deployment what he thinks of the pistol.
It aint pretty .......

You are 100% correct in the investment cast and milled aluminum alloy frame.
Not the 1st pistol on the planet designed that way.
It is what it is.
A reliable pistol with a enclosed slide and barrel.
The open slide and exposed barrel on a M9 is the main problem.
Simple as that.

I cant say much more based on my experience with the M9.

If I somehow brought emotion into this thread.
I'm sorry in ways.
But not sorry in many ways also.
Hope ya see that.


JMO
JME

Mecgar mag with poly floor plate??

I need to get on my search at LGS around town.

my guess would be they were running the nato charge in the 92’s. I have pistols that are mil spec and ones that are not. I’ve spent a lot of time tightening up the mil spec pistols. Mil spec isn’t needed or desirable for consumer level.

Got it rene, sometimes a guy just wants to experience different guns and move on. Mb

Standard NATO 124gr Fmj at around 1260 to 1280 was the fodder for em.
The issue was supposedly a bad heat treat on runs of em.
DOD went with a carte blanche recall on em.
It's not uncommon for contractors to cut corners after award of a contract in DOD.
Not saying myself other than speculation of that is what happened.
But the pistols should not have failed with cracks around the firing pin hole, especially when the NATO spec ammo was being used across the board for all the evaluated pistols and the issue never came up during testing , but did show up after fielding.

You gotta remember this was the early and mid 80,s and the age of the 600 dollar hammer and 400 dollar toliet seat in DOD contracting.


Anyways.....


Got the Hogue grip on .
Really good pinky finger purchase on it now.

The great search today didnt find any mags in town.
Probably gonna get a 17rd Ruger flush fit metal plate on the web.
Been looking at those.
And 15 rd Ruger/ mecgars are available with the poly floor plate.

The Hogue grip feels alot better and strong hand pinky has that angle on the groove to get into with muscle memory now with alot more postive this is your place force.

Everytime I take a pic of this, the different light makes it look colored in various different shades.

This gun is to American "Hood" what Taurus PT92 is to Brasilian Favela, well proven firearm. The P89 series were discontinued because having metal frame they were more costly to manufacture. The only downside from user perspective is the old-fashioned slide mounted safety. The real standout in Ruger line is the SR series pistols.