I am not a Subaru guy, but I know that their AWD system outperforms their competition in the brush by a bunch. I am always amazed to find those little rigs successfully poking-up through a road that would be best described as an ATV trail. They are a catty little outfit…
I hate to admit this, but I miss our recently departed Subaru Outback.
My truck will get through pretty much anything as long as it's in 4wd and has some weight in the bed (my snowmobile, usually) but it's not really the best vehicle to use for routine things like going to the store. The old Outback, with good snow tires, was pretty much unstoppable in town and on the freeways, was really comfortable and got decent mileage (mid 20s). It also had good power with the 3.6 engine.
The car that replaced it, an Audi Allroad, is simply dangerous to drive in the snow thanks to the crappy OEM tires. I was driving it to the market a few days ago, after a pretty big snowstorm, and I was all over the road, even at a stoplight (the dang thing slid towards the curb due to ice buildup in the center of the lane). I'm going to put decent snow tires on it this week, but even with that I suspect it still won't have all the snow/ice prowess of the Subaru. XMode, in particular, is something I miss a lot.
Have a 2019 Forrester, added a receiver hitch. Absolutely love it. Has 60,000+ miles, gets 34 mpg, does great in mud & snow. Not a lot of clearance as compared to my F150 4x4, so have to watch for that when off-road.
The wife bought a new Subaru Ascent last December. So far it's been a good car. It really gets around good in the snow. I tried the xmode a couple days ago, seems to work as advertised! I like it way more than the Honda CRV she had previously!
I hate to admit this, but I miss our recently departed Subaru Outback.
My truck will get through pretty much anything as long as it's in 4wd and has some weight in the bed (my snowmobile, usually) but it's not really the best vehicle to use for routine things like going to the store. The old Outback, with good snow tires, was pretty much unstoppable in town and on the freeways, was really comfortable and got decent mileage (mid 20s). It also had good power with the 3.6 engine.
The car that replaced it, an Audi Allroad, is simply dangerous to drive in the snow thanks to the crappy OEM tires. I was driving it to the market a few days ago, after a pretty big snowstorm, and I was all over the road, even at a stoplight (the dang thing slid towards the curb due to ice buildup in the center of the lane). I'm going to put decent snow tires on it this week, but even with that I suspect it still won't have all the snow/ice prowess of the Subaru. XMode, in particular, is something I miss a lot.
My Mother had a couple of Subarus from the mid-1970's thru the early 1990's. They were really popular in VT back then, along with Saabs, because they could usually get you wherever you needed to go as long as the tires were good and you didn't put it into a ditch or high center it in a snow drift.
My oldest daughter wanted an Outback, but we couldn't find one that had the price, condition, miles, and age in sync, so she ended up with a 2008 Ford Escape. She's driven the Escape a lot of miles in all kinds of weather without any issues. Full time AWD and a good set of Michelin Defender LTX tires probably has contributed to her staying on the road and getting where she's headed.
I thought about buying a Subrau Tribeca, but couldn't find the right one at the right price.
My son was stationed in upstate NY and driving a 2wd pickup. He noticed that lots of locals drove Subaru's. He bought an old Forester station wagon with 170,000 miles. The rear fenders were rusted through, but it ran like a top and absolutely would not get stuck in the snow.
My wife wanted one when the rav4 got totaled a couple years ago. I was not thrilled about going away from Toyota, because they’ve treated us really well for a long time, but it’s her car, so... we got a loaded 2016 Forester with low miles and it’s a really nice vehicle. Very smooth and quiet on the highway, very roomy for my big frame. I’ve had it on bad roads in Utah, Nevada, CA, and at Steens in SE OR and I gotta say, while these computer controlled traction setups feel weird as hell, the thing claws it’s way up slippery stuff (smooth polished rocks, or gravel on hardpan, or like that, haven’t messed with mud) amazingly well. Have not had it on snow to any significant degree but it looks like I will in a few days here.
We purchased an Subaru Hatch Back 1 year old back in the 80s When we had to have new front axles installed we had to give the damb thing to our Mechanic and he had to have the Dealer Rep come out to match up the right axles they made something like 6 different ones for that year car. Then we had the Distributor go bad and when they matched it up it took a distributor for a car for a car that was built 6 years after ours. Subaru Hodge Podged that year together. And we had to wait for parts to be shipped in from over seas. Probably the best car I have ever owed and I will Never own another one.
Not worried about my man card.. Have a 17 Outback with the 3.6, it will go places it has no business trying to go to. Wife does love it, however. One of the very few vehicles we have had that both of us like. 80K+ with no issues.
i'd put my outback up against any 4x4 for snowy roads. the only thing that stops it is if you high center it really bad. then you just back up and ram away. my f250 isn't even close. plus i can haul 8ft lumber, gravel, mulch, dead deer or 3 passengers no problem all while getting 26mpg on hilly roads. it is the most practical vehicle i have ever owned.
One of my elk hunting buddies swapped his Tahoe for an Outback. He loves that dang thing and is not shy about pushing limits in it (he gets a brand new car ever 2-3 years).
Ours is the 4-banger Boxer engine and uses 0W-20 oil and the first time I changed the oil on it that surprised me... that stuff pours like water.
The Eyesight setup is slick.... seems to be the direction all higher-end rigs are going. I guess I like it but I worry about the costs when things start to break.
Not worried about my man card.. Have a 17 Outback with the 3.6, it will go places it has no business trying to go to. Wife does love it, however. One of the very few vehicles we have had that both of us like. 80K+ with no issues.
Yet. They dropped their 3.6 engine and now only use a turbocharged 4 cylinder and a CVT good luck with that combo.
One of my elk hunting buddies swapped his Tahoe for an Outback. He loves that dang thing and is not shy about pushing limits in it (he gets a brand new car ever 2-3 years).
Ours is the 4-banger Boxer engine and uses 0W-20 oil and the first time I changed the oil on it that surprised me... that stuff pours like water.
The Eyesight setup is slick.... seems to be the direction all higher-end rigs are going. I guess I like it but I worry about the costs when things start to break.
Newsflash 0w-20 is not limited to Subarus Mr I can't open a box of Nosler bullets.
I was very surprised to find a scooby do at the top of the mountain where we were elk hunting yesterday. It was an outback. The trails aren’t that bad, but there was a fair amount of snow.
My wife has one as we get a fair amount of snow here and a 2wd can leave you stranded. It does great as long as the snow isn’t high enough that you’re plowing it with the front bumper.
A friend of mine had a Subaru Legacy years ago. That car would go anywhere. They are great in the snow but I could never own one. Inside each man is Lesbian trying get out…
Laugh all you want, but I have a 2018 Subaru Forester with 60,000+ miles. I've had Zero problems other than one nail in a tire. The timing belt and head gasket issues were from many years prior. I'm not gay either and have no issues driving one. Their advertisements were a joke though. I also have NO pets, another one of their crap advertisements!
I run Michelin Crossclimate2 tires. Best snow and ice vehicle I have ever owned for road use, bar none! I've had Ford F250's and Chevy 2500's in the past, both 4WD. The Forester puts them all to shame for road use. No hubs to lock in or levers to pull for 4WD. It's just always there.
If I was out jumping terraces or rock climbing, I might choose otherwise. For normal snow and ice road conditions, I'll drive the Subaru any day and smile at those in the ditches.
My son has a 2017 WRX STI that is a blast to drive. It came with a cold air intake filter and he's installed a full Borla exhaust and a Cobb tune. It flat scoots.
Have had 3, from a 92 to a 96. The last was a 95 that is still running. Fuel pump quit and I sold it and th e 96 parts car to a guy who fixed it.
They were all bought old and high milage, for cheap. Very few issues, rust killed 2, thge last was getting bad enough that I left it go instead of fixing it.
The only reason I don't h ave one now is the head gasket issues. There was a 10+ year time period that it was really bad. Unfortunately what I was willing to pay required buying from that time. Older ones don't exist, newer ones are over priced. I didn't want a $5k or under beater, to need $2k in work to keep it going.
We bought a outback new in 2018 for a family/wife's work car. Kinda jealous she gets to drive it daily. Awesome car. Really shines in the winter. Put Toyo open country AT/3 tires on it.
I’m sure they are great to drive around in the snow. Please bring a few too our deer lease in East Texas. So we can use the to fill in our mud holes. There is a reason we don’t see any off road in Southeast Texas.
One of my elk hunting buddies swapped his Tahoe for an Outback. He loves that dang thing and is not shy about pushing limits in it (he gets a brand new car ever 2-3 years).
Ours is the 4-banger Boxer engine and uses 0W-20 oil and the first time I changed the oil on it that surprised me... that stuff pours like water.
The Eyesight setup is slick.... seems to be the direction all higher-end rigs are going. I guess I like it but I worry about the costs when things start to break.
Like any consumable, trade / sell and get another. Wife likes her Subaru but anytime cars start the nickel an dime thing don't stay! I keep pickups for lots of years, and will work to keep them reliable. A car/SUV own them first not last!
I also had a 77 Subaru wagon. Drove the wheels off that ugly 4x4 red wagon. I could fold down the backseat and sleep 2 comfortably in back. Wish I'd kept it, retro cool now.
The missus loves her 2018 Crosstrek. Pretty sure she's not a lesbian.
We had a wagon, I think 86..whatever last year for carb. Loved that thing. 5spd, hi/low. Long as you stayed top the ruts you could go damn near anywhere.
Well, as far as I know it's the turbo 4 bangers that have head gasket issues. Guess I will find out, as the 3.6 is not a turbo and a flat 6.
No that is not true, they have had head gasket issues on older models, I had it on a 2004 , I got rid of the POS at 75k . I think the 3.6 is a better motor then the 4.
If anyone wants a really great vehicle in snow that is super reliable look at an older or new Honda Ridgeline.
Well, as far as I know it's the turbo 4 bangers that have head gasket issues. Guess I will find out, as the 3.6 is not a turbo and a flat 6.
No that is not true, they have had head gasket issues, I had it on a 2004 , I got rid of the POS at 75k . I think the 3.6 is a better motor then the 4.
We have have two, a 2014 impreza 2.0 and a 2017 forester2.5 and we generally take them to a Subaru specific shop. According the mechanic there, the head gasket issues are much rarer on new cars, he said that it would be unlikely to see an issue with the two we have now.
We did have a 2001 and some where around 120K we had the head gasket done. It was like $1000. If I remember correctly he said the "cure" was to use the turbo gaskets in the normally aspirated engine I could we wrong about that though as it has been 15 years. In any case the 2001 went over 300K and the engine ran pretty well right up until we sold it. It did burn oil for the last 50K or so miles. In the end the car it self was pretty beat and the wife just wanted something new, so we bought the 2017, so far around 91K with just tires and brakes. Every know and then we still see the 2001 driving around town. Its looking pretty sad, but still going.
It's all relative. Comparatively, we're a nation of Nancy boys. One of the comments: "If you don't have the resources to build roads and bridges, just build badass trucks."
Well, as far as I know it's the turbo 4 bangers that have head gasket issues. Guess I will find out, as the 3.6 is not a turbo and a flat 6.
No that is not true, they have had head gasket issues, I had it on a 2004 , I got rid of the POS at 75k . I think the 3.6 is a better motor then the 4.
We have have two, a 2014 impreza 2.0 and a 2017 forester2.5 and we generally take them to a Subaru specific shop. According the mechanic there, the head gasket issues are much rarer on new cars, he said that it would be unlikely to see an issue with the two we have now.
We did have a 2001 and some where around 120K we had the head gasket done. It was like $1000. If I remember correctly he said the "cure" was to use the turbo gaskets in the normally aspirated engine I could we wrong about that though as it has been 15 years. In any case the 2001 went over 300K and the engine ran pretty well right up until we sold it. It did burn oil for the last 50K or so miles. In the end the car it self was pretty beat and the wife just wanted something new, so we bought the 2017, so far around 91K with just tires and brakes. Every know and then we still see the 2001 driving around town. Its looking pretty sad, but still going.
I can guarantee that a head gasket would cost more then 1k if done today.
2004 Outback purchased brand new
Burned quart of oil per 1k --normal as per Subaru headquarters Fuel line in engine compartment came loose dripping onto the intake manifold. Known issue in freezing weather under TSB Transmission had a recall and spent a week at the dealer , they refused to tell me what was wrong with it. Cracked Alternator housing Head Gaskets Windshield wiper motors and assembly(arms) were replaced. I guess that would have been a nice winter feature. front rotors warped Constant replacement of headlamp bulbs with OEM bulbs, finally switched to Honda bulbs which lasted longer Constant wheel alignment issues
I am sure there are more just can[t recall them right now
I had a 1995 Impreza commuter car with a 6 speed, no issues whatsoever other then a dash cover that was replaced , it was just way too small .
First time I went to Montana to elk hunt, took the advice of a nephew who is a pediatric Oncologist in Missoula and put studded snow tires on the Tundra for the trip.
By the time the brother and I woke up in Wyoming, there was 6" of snow on the truck and it did not quit for another two days. We had left a few days early to drive over to Missoula to see his grandkids, on one of the fist passes, the State police were stopping the traffic and making sure you were chained up, they almost did not let me go, but when he saw the studded tires it was OK.
Still snowing and my West TN windshield wiper fluid was froze, could not see very well as the slush coated the windshield in dirty ice.
I was down to maybe 40 mph, puckered up when a Subaru full of kids passed me like I was sitting still. When I got into Hippyville (Missoula) about every other vehicle was a Subaru.
Have considered getting one as I cross over 70 and need a decent mileage daily driver that will get the wife to the Dr. during the one or two snow/ice events a year when she has to get to Vanderbilt.
First time I went to Montana to elk hunt, took the advice of a nephew who is a pediatric Oncologist in Missoula and put studded snow tires on the Tundra for the trip.
By the time the brother and I woke up in Wyoming, there was 6" of snow on the truck and it did not quit for another two days. We had left a few days early to drive over to Missoula to see his grandkids, on one of the fist passes, the State police were stopping the traffic and making sure you were chained up, they almost did not let me go, but when he saw the studded tires it was OK.
Still snowing and my West TN windshield wiper fluid was froze, could not see very well as the slush coated the windshield in dirty ice.
I was down to maybe 40 mph, puckered up when a Subaru full of kids passed me like I was sitting still. When I got into Hippyville (Missoula) about every other vehicle was a Subaru.
Have considered getting one as I cross over 70 and need a decent mileage daily driver that will get the wife to the Dr. during the one or two snow/ice events a year when she has to get to Vanderbilt.
First time I went to Montana to elk hunt, took the advice of a nephew who is a pediatric Oncologist in Missoula and put studded snow tires on the Tundra for the trip.
By the time the brother and I woke up in Wyoming, there was 6" of snow on the truck and it did not quit for another two days. We had left a few days early to drive over to Missoula to see his grandkids, on one of the fist passes, the State police were stopping the traffic and making sure you were chained up, they almost did not let me go, but when he saw the studded tires it was OK.
Still snowing and my West TN windshield wiper fluid was froze, could not see very well as the slush coated the windshield in dirty ice.
I was down to maybe 40 mph, puckered up when a Subaru full of kids passed me like I was sitting still. When I got into Hippyville (Missoula) about every other vehicle was a Subaru.
Have considered getting one as I cross over 70 and need a decent mileage daily driver that will get the wife to the Dr. during the one or two snow/ice events a year when she has to get to Vanderbilt.
Buy a Ridgeline ,Highlander or Pilot AWD
One of my kids has a Pilot that I have driven in snow and was not impressed. Even with good tires, Michelin Defender LTX, it feels more like a FWD than an AWD in snow.
I had an '83 GL wagon with 4WD that I bought new. I kept a bow saw in the back and the damn thing would go just about amywhere. I even took it on a skidder trail a time or 2. They were rust buckets though and that was the only thing I could complain about with that car.
i think the mid-2000's to early teens had head gasket issues. my daughter had a 2006 and drove the hell out of it. at about 150k it needed head gaskets timing belt and water pump. 2 grand. drove it for a few more years and gave it to my son who drove it all over WVA working on pipelines and beat the hell out of it. it started having a tapping around 220k. it then became my yard car and i used it around the property for a while and then sold it to some dude who owned a bunch of them and was going to do an engine swap. my 16 has been fine for 85k miles.
I also had a 77 Subaru wagon. Drove the wheels off that ugly 4x4 red wagon. I could fold down the backseat and sleep 2 comfortably in back. Wish I'd kept it, retro cool now.
The missus loves her 2018 Crosstrek. Pretty sure she's not a lesbian.
I started with a brand new one in '77 also, then a '78 after a wreck on the '77, then an '84 which I liked the best because of the Hi/Lo 4WD. It sure went a lot of places that surprised folks in big trucks.
My understanding, from researching them after seeing my first one around '75, was that they were designed as an "All Road", not Off Road vehicle for Japanese power companies and such to use on power line roads. In '77, they had 0.1" less ground clearance than a bone stock CJ Jeep. And the cost $4K less than a base model Olds at the same dealership. The Olds didn't even come with a radio or wheel covers standard!
Owned Subies until about 2002 when I had an issue with a dealer on repairs to the one I had then, and I got no help, just BS, from Subaru of America.
Ugly as sin, kinda poor quality, but also a hell for handy little wagon. Pretty easy to work on too, which is nice because everything broke on my second one.
I’m down in Palm Springs (Palm Desert) watching the mayhem unfold up north. Gotta drive back up starting Tuesday or Wednesday for a medical test a family member cannot miss. Pretty damn glad we drove the Subaru. Are they chick cars- yes. Are they badass on snow- yes. Ask me which I care about.
Ugly as sin, kinda poor quality, but also a hell for handy little wagon. Pretty easy to work on too, which is nice because everything broke on my second one.
20yo car unknown provenance, taking seller at his word the the transmission was replaced and top and bottom of the motor were rebuilt. Had it a month and put struts and cv axles in it already........
I’m down in Palm Springs (Palm Desert) watching the mayhem unfold up north. Gotta drive back up starting Tuesday or Wednesday for a medical test a family member cannot miss. Pretty damn glad we drove the Subaru. Are they chick cars- yes. Are the badass on snow- yes. Ask me which I care about.
I’m down in Palm Springs (Palm Desert) watching the mayhem unfold up north. Gotta drive back up starting Tuesday or Wednesday for a medical test a family member cannot miss. Pretty damn glad we drove the Subaru. Are they chick cars- yes. Are they badass on snow- yes. Ask me which I care about.
I’m down in Palm Springs (Palm Desert) watching the mayhem unfold up north. Gotta drive back up starting Tuesday or Wednesday for a medical test a family member cannot miss. Pretty damn glad we drove the Subaru. Are they chick cars- yes. Are they badass on snow- yes. Ask me which I care about.
I am amazed that someone so stupid who can’t climb a ladder or open a box of bullets is allowed to drive.
I’m down in Palm Springs (Palm Desert) watching the mayhem unfold up north. Gotta drive back up starting Tuesday or Wednesday for a medical test a family member cannot miss. Pretty damn glad we drove the Subaru. Are they chick cars- yes. Are they badass on snow- yes. Ask me which I care about.
Fugk off you fugking pussy.
Wait for her sock puppet to come on and defend her honor lol
I’m down in Palm Springs (Palm Desert) watching the mayhem unfold up north. Gotta drive back up starting Tuesday or Wednesday for a medical test a family member cannot miss. Pretty damn glad we drove the Subaru. Are they chick cars- yes. Are they badass on snow- yes. Ask me which I care about.
I am amazed that someone so stupid who can’t climb a ladder or open a box of bullets is allowed to d COME BACK FROM THE DEAD.
After reading nine pages of this post, I am thinking I need to get rid of my Highlander if it ever wears out! Actually, I think the Subaru is better looking!
Lots of comments good and bad but not one mention of their safety rating. And the guy that likes ridgeline has probably never driven on muddy roads or ice where the road slopes a little bit.
Ugly as sin, kinda poor quality, but also a hell for handy little wagon. Pretty easy to work on too, which is nice because everything broke on my second one.
20yo car unknown provenance, taking seller at his word the the transmission was replaced and top and bottom of the motor were rebuilt. Had it a month and put struts and cv axles in it already........
My last one was a manual. Tranny was good. The rest….
Cv axles, radiator, clutch, starter, drive shaft and I’m sure a couple other parts I don’t recall at the moment. All in about a year.
Car was a dirt road rally rocket though! Room to sleep in the back or haul 2 or three deer home. All at an easy 20+mpg. Ground clearance wasn’t horrible either.
Lots of comments good and bad but not one mention of their safety rating. And the guy that likes ridgeline has probably never driven on muddy roads or ice where the road slopes a little bit.
Tboned a car in my first Forester. Center punched them at a solid 40MPH. Car took it like a champ. Granted, it was totaled, and obviously so, but all I got was some abrasions/burns from the airbag and a hardon.
I am not a Subaru guy, but I know that their AWD system outperforms their competition in the brush by a bunch. I am always amazed to find those little rigs successfully poking-up through a road that would be best described as an ATV trail. They are a catty little outfit…
Yes, I've heard about the ads, but they do seem extremely popular here in the NM East Mountains, since they are FWD and we we get a lot of snow on our unpaved roads.
I do mot have one but wish be tempted for my con, especially the Forester, which I understand 9s the one with the big interior.