“The Texas Department of Public Safety and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that one person has been shot and the shooter – who ran to Robb Elementary School – had become barricaded inside. Uvalde Memorial Hospital confirmed that two people were brought to the hospital deceased. “
A contact of mine has family down there, 2 grandkids that went to that school last year. Her report was 11 fatalities, 33 kids and 6 adults wounded. Shooter killed his mother, a 4th grade teacher. Who knows if this information is anywhere near correct. I guess time will tell if it is or not.
A contact of mine has family down there, 2 grandkids that went to that school last year. Her report was 11 fatalities, 33 kids and 6 adults wounded. Shooter killed his mother, a 4th grade teacher. Who knows if this information is anywhere near correct. I guess time will tell if it is or not.
Brandon is going to address the nation on this later this evening according to Fox . Cant you just hear it , " No one needs a weapon of war " ...................
Brandon is going to address the nation on this later this evening according to Fox . Cant you just hear it , " No one needs a weapon of war " ...................
That fugger doesn't even know what kind of weapon was used yet.
Farming/Ranching community. Very tight knit. I Had a cousin there who was a pretty prominent rancher, but he’s been dead for years. Gov. Briscoe was from Uvalde. As well as John Nance Garner settled and died there. And Dale Evans was born there!!!
Farming/Ranching community. Very tight knit. Had a cousin there who was a pretty prominent rancher, but he’s been dead for years. Gov. Briscoe was from Uvalde. As well as John Nance Garner settled and died there. And Dale Evans was born there!!!
Pat Garrett was a friend of Cactus Jack Garner and Garner got him to a position as a Uvalde County Commissioner. I don't think he stayed long there. He had a meeting with destiny outside Las Cruces to attend.
For those that want to outlaw guns, ask them how in the hell we can keep guns from coming across the southern border if someone wants to smuggle them in.
Farming/Ranching community. Very tight knit. Had a cousin there who was a pretty prominent rancher, but he’s been dead for years. Gov. Briscoe was from Uvalde. As well as John Nance Garner settled and died there. And Dale Evans was born there!!!
I've been to the Hatchery there for work. Would not have minded living around that area.
Just wondering as folks start getting upset, if "Hispanic" even enters the equation given the history of the area and the fact in TX "Hispanics" aren't all immigrants, except when using the term as going back before there was a Texas.
If there had been a couple of million acre National Forests or BLM lands in the area, I'd have probably put in for work there. But, I love my Public Lands.
For those that want to outlaw guns, ask them how in the hell we can keep guns from coming across the southern border if someone wants to smuggle them in.
“ When I heard that they shot the gunman, I assumed he wasn't white”
“ I'm sure Republicans are offering prayers of thanksgiving... …that it turned out it wasn’t a white guy killing Latino children”
“I looked it up White hispanic“
“ Uvalde, TX | Data USAhttps://datausa.io › profile › geo › uvalde-tx The 5 largest ethnic groups in Uvalde, TX are White (Hispanic) (78.2%), White (Non-Hispanic) (14%), Other (Hispanic) (4.18%), Asian (Non-Hispanic) (1.37%), “
Farming/Ranching community. Very tight knit. Had a cousin there who was a pretty prominent rancher, but he’s been dead for years. Gov. Briscoe was from Uvalde. As well as John Nance Garner settled and died there. And Dale Evans was born there!!!
Pat Garrett was a friend of Cactus Jack Garner and Garner got him to a position as a Uvalde County Commissioner. I don't think he stayed long there. He had a meeting with destiny outside Las Cruces to attend.
Barry,
King Fisher ran a toll on “his" road out there west of Uvalde into Maverick county.
Local "news " people said 18 students 1 possible school staffer and the shooter deceased Shooter hispanic, but not specifying if he's a border jumper or not
So sad to hear. I was born and raised in South Texas. This hurts as bad as other similar events that have happened in the great state of Texas. This is a plague and scourge of this present age. I believe kids should at least have access to farm life where we learn how valuable life is.
It's been years but I would pass through Uvalde occasionally. As a former SRO at a metro high school this is just my observation. The children of America have been passed around like political pawns. More so since Covid. One day they were in school and the next they were out. This uncertainty has been hard on kids. Even more so with kids who have mental health issues. While the kids are out of school just who is monitoring them ? If that person detects some mental health issues in the child, just who is supposed to do something about it ? How much time did they spend alone or with a computer as their baby sitter ?
O'Connor vs Donaldson has tied the hands of community leaders, State legislatures, parents and judges about forcing mentally ill persons to get MANDATED mental help. The school aged kids have become the political toys of the leftist Covid power brokers. I expect more of this. I would suggest that 1 out of every 500 kids has a major mental health issue and they are on the verge of a complete break down. I understand this kid shot his grandmother first before going to the school. That level of determination is off the charts. We had 2 17 year olds murder a teacher 2 months ago in Iowa. They didn't like her because she expected them to work for success in her class. They found her in park while she was taking a walk and beat her to death. O'Connor vs Donaldson was also one of those over reaching decisions from the Earl Warren court.
I truly blame the federal department of education of kowtowing to the leftist educational philosophy that all kids are in need of assistance when in reality all kids need accountability for their behavior and their parents also need to be held accountable as well. Why was this kid in a position to shoot his grandmother first ? Where were his parents and did they participate in his education both in school and out of school ? Did they seek help for any emerging mental health issues as well ?
Every time we get a gun grabbing type president I know they just report more on the shootings but it seems like they actually pick up it really makes you wonder. Sacrificial lambs
I hunted deer and Russian wild hogs on the Morning Star Ranch outside of Uvalde Texas. I killed my first spike buck whitetail deer on that place. I'm not sure if that ranch is still in operation. They were friends of my parents.
Every time we get a gun grabbing type president I know they just report more on the shootings but it seems like they actually pick up it really makes you wonder. Sacrificial lambs
I spent a lot of time in Uvalde while driving the 18 wheeler. There was a big blue jean plant there, since closed down. We took blue jean fabric from Blacksburg S. Carolina to the plant in Uvalde. I was there the last time just 3 years ago. Several times I did a 34 hour break in Uvalde, and would spend a day walking around the town. Pretty little Texas town. I was walking around town one day, got to talking with a guy and his mom who were having a yard sale. And they said, "Well you just walked past Matthew McConaughey's house!"
I thought WTF? I said, "Has Matthew McCounaghey bought some real estate here in Uvalde?"
And they said, "Good God! He is from Uvalde! I went to high school with Matthew. I thought everybody knew that."
Looking at the map, this school is 2 blocks away from that plant I spent so much time at.
All things aside, I can’t wait to hear the blatherskite from brandon. I will refuse to listen to that bumbling moron
Respectfully disagree, Mr. kaywoodie. We need to listen VERY carefully. If you are going to win a battle, you have to know what the enemy is thinking.
It’s ok Mr. York, I already know what’s been prepared for him to say. 😉. You do too!
If you have to wait to hear what Brandon is going to say you’ve been living in a shoebox for the last 50 years. Brandon is going to say what he’s been saying for the last 50 years.
Pretty much everyone involved was almost certainly Hispanic, including those little kids shot. I live and work in a demographically similar area, race ain’t that big a deal around here.
Shooter could be American-born, a Dreamer or a recent immigrant it wouldn’t matter all that much in South Texas.
Shot his grandmother, somehow engages the Border Patrol, makes the decision to murder peoples’ little children.
Pretty much everyone involved was almost certainly Hispanic, including those little kids shot. I live and work in a demographically similar area, race ain’t that big a deal around here.
Shooter could be American-born, a Dreamer or a recent immigrant it wouldn’t matter all that much in South Texas.
Shot his grandmother, somehow engages the Border Patrol, makes the decision to murder peoples’ little children.
So I’m sure that this ends up in the rhetorical category. I know a handful or two of people that I would probably have a hard time not smirking if I heard of their demise.
Several of those have tempted my active participation. But you don’t. Even if they really, truly deserve it.
And there are groups of people that it seems the world would be better off if they weren’t here anymore. “Groups” doesn’t mean race or anything specifically.
Some of the high school shooters are bullied relentlessly or have some grievance, which doesn’t justify what they do, but maybe brings some clarity to the motive.
But what on earth would possess anyone to walk into a school and kill a bunch of little kids?
For those that want to outlaw guns, ask them how in the hell we can keep guns from coming across the southern border if someone wants to smuggle them in.
Well, if drugs are any barometer...
Seems like we have had about 25 million people sized things end up in the country without permission too.
I dont post often but Ive been here longer than you have. Same with AR. No screamin liberal. Imagine if you can for a second, it's one of your kids. I think how do we keep guns out of the hands of people that would commit these crimes. And keep guns in the hands or responsible, law abiding, not crazy Americans
I dont post often but Ive been here longer than you have. Same with AR. No screamin liberal. Imagine if you can for a second, it's one of your kids. I think how do we keep guns out of the hands of people that would commit these crimes. And keep guns in the hands or responsible, law abiding, not crazy Americans
I dont post often but Ive been here longer than you have. Same with AR. No screamin liberal. Imagine if you can for a second, it's one of your kids. I think how do we keep guns out of the hands of people that would commit these crimes. And keep guns in the hands or responsible, law abiding, not crazy Americans
The first two thing that get cut any any budget anywhere is education first and mental health second. Until this changes schiit like this is going to continue to happen. No amount of what ifs and maybes is going to fix this.
I dont post often but Ive been here longer than you have. Same with AR. No screamin liberal. Imagine if you can for a second, it's one of your kids. I think how do we keep guns out of the hands of people that would commit these crimes. And keep guns in the hands or responsible, law abiding, not crazy Americans
That's about as fuggin' stupid a call for gun control as I've ever heard.
1) There are 200,000 guns in Uvalde County that weren't used in a school shooting today, or any day.
2) An evil human being committed this crime. He wasn't worried about laws or doing anything illegal. Last I checked, it is illegal to commit murder. It's illegal to shoot your grandmother, and anyone else.
3) Gun laws are only obeyed by the law abiding. That is it. People who do this don't follow the law. No law at all would have stopped this, if he was committed to do so.
You ought to pull your head out of your ass. You may find the breathe of fresh air nice for a change.
Changes? Well they could do what most would call Great research or good police work but liberals call it profiling. Limit weapons to demographic versions that cause the most problems. But how would that go over?
Better ideas and probably start with good responsible parenting and teaching kids correctly. You know there's arguments for the violent video game shouldn't be out there but lots of people playing and don't ever have an issue the ones that do that might blame the game or probably got mental issue anyway. There's no one great answer
So this is acceptable? Just comes with the territory. Part of the cost of gun ownership and the privilege of being American?
It's not a matter of being acceptable. I'm sure none of us would have approved of this psycho's plan had he asked us to approve it beforehand.
If you're asking whether it's part of the tradeoff of living in a country where the government doesn't (yet) control everything that a person does, I would say yes. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
In some countries, the government does the mass killings in large part because the people aren't armed. Is that acceptable? Is that a privilege of being Chinese or Iranian or Korean?
I'm asking you guys. What changes could be made. None? Its a perfect system?
No, the system isn't perfect but all the gun control in the world (including door-to-door confiscation) will not stop crazies from getting and using a gun.
I'm all for hardening the schools. The fact that this person can walk into an elementary school is crazy to me. I've often thought our schools have terrible security. This is good for prevention, doesn't cure the problem. Our president's stopped driving around in open motorcades, times change, and we have to change with the times. SOcial media, we better find a way to profile and prevent. Most of these people post prolifically. There's a couple changes that might help. What else
So this is acceptable? Just comes with the territory. Part of the cost of gun ownership and the privilege of being American?
Yes, it is acceptable.
You are both wrong.
This isn't acceptable.
Killing kids or innocents never is.
But to give up our constitutional rights in favor of govt protection is setting yourself and our nation up for mass killing.
Read your history books, people.
I’m not wrong. It’s acceptable. I have a kid in high school. It’s an acceptable risk for me. I would rather live in a world where this is a risk than one where it isn’t because freedoms have been abrogated to the point it can’t be done.
Sack up and stop being a mealy mouthed bitch. It’s acceptable. If you say it isn’t, you fall right into their hands. Freedom means bad schit happens sometimes.
I’m not wrong. It’s acceptable. I have a kid in high school. It’s an acceptable risk for me. I would rather live in a world where this is a risk than one where it isn’t because freedoms have been abrogated to the point it can’t be done.
Sack up and stop being a mealy mouthed bitch. It’s acceptable. If you say it isn’t, you fall right into their hands. Freedom means bad schit happens sometimes.
I believe I explained myself above.
And if there's a mealy mouthed bitch present, it is you.
I'm not falling into anyone's hands.
These events may indeed be a by-product of a free nation. I'll fight to the death for our Constitution and 2nd Amendment.
But at no point is killing kids or innocents acceptable.
I counter that when you say it is, your own dumb ass is falling into their hands.
I'm all for hardening the schools. The fact that this person can walk into an elementary school is crazy to me. I've often thought our schools have terrible security. This is good for prevention, doesn't cure the problem. Our president's stopped driving around in open motorcades, times change, and we have to change with the times. SOcial media, we better find a way to profile and prevent. Most of these people post prolifically. There's a couple changes that might help. What else
Has anyone said how he gained entry? I can’t believe this day in age we have schools with unlocked doors! Harden these targets we have a tremendous campus here but still we don’t lock the doors. Sad, praying for the family’s of these baby’s.
I’m not wrong. It’s acceptable. I have a kid in high school. It’s an acceptable risk for me. I would rather live in a world where this is a risk than one where it isn’t because freedoms have been abrogated to the point it can’t be done.
Sack up and stop being a mealy mouthed bitch. It’s acceptable. If you say it isn’t, you fall right into their hands. Freedom means bad schit happens sometimes.
I believe I explained myself above.
And if there's a mealy mouthed bitch present, it is you.
I'm not falling into anyone's hands.
These events may indeed be a by-product of a free nation. I'll fight to the death for our Constitution and 2nd Amendment.
But at no point is killing kids or innocents acceptable.
I counter that when you say it is, your own dumb ass is falling into their hands.
You’ve always been a dumbass. I won’t budge another phuqing inch on a damned thing. No more gun control. No more mental health issues. No more anything.
All of this a contrived bullshit to get the idiots amongst you to say, “We have to do something” and whatever you do be it gun control, mental health screening, extra security or whatever will become the stuff of dystopian nightmares.
The ONLY answer is “Meh…bad schit happens. So what’s your point?”
None of this coincidental and none of it is anything less than one hundred percent contrived. Want proof? Look up the 2017 Hearing Protection Act. It was scheduled for a vote in the summer of 2017. The day it was scheduled for vote the congressional baseball game got shot up. It was rescheduled for October. And a few days before that the Vegas shooting happened. Incredible coincidence.
I’m immune to their bullshit. It has no effect on me. All of this is one hundred percent acceptable verses any of the posed alternatives.
We are loosing our culture. What Christian would murder innocent people? What kind of person would finance a war of genocide for a border invasion in another country while financing one here? What kind of person pretends to be president when the whole nation knows he is not?
We are no longer a predominantly Christian society. Focusing rage at inanimate objects will do nothing to cure the problem. It goes much deeper than that. With every Supreme Court edict that defies the Constitution and our founders intent we turn our backs to God and it’s that much easier to hate, cheat, steal and murder.
"Harden the schools. Arm responsible people to stop this before it starts."
This kid should have been shot dead by a law abiding armed teacher or a law abiding armed staff member as soon as he entered the school. Teachers and staff have the natural right to defend themselves and their students whether somebody thinks they are responsible/qualified or not.
I know a Border Patrolman who works in that sector. I'll try to find out what he knows about this shooting.
Geez check history, more deaths have been caused by religion than anything else. Unless your Jesus, you're human. So called Christians, Muslims, Jews, insert fav religion, have no problem murdering, raping, stealing etc
So this is acceptable? Just comes with the territory. Part of the cost of gun ownership and the privilege of being American?
You sound like a liberal, even though you say you aren’t. Drunks kill more people every year than guns, yet it is acceptable to sell alcohol. Abortion kills thousands, if not millions, and that is acceptable. Where do we draw the line? I’m not willing to give ip my rights, just so you can feel better about yourself and society. Let’s put God back in school! Or is that unacceptable?
Some of the high school shooters are bullied relentlessly or have some grievance, which doesn’t justify what they do, but maybe brings some clarity to the motive.
But what on earth would possess anyone to walk into a school and kill a bunch of little kids?
I said the same thing to my wife over dinner. I got choked up thinking about the pain those parents are suffering. The scars the emotional survivors will carry forever. This one truly punched me in the gut.
There is no way that a human can harbor that kind of evil without telegraphing it in some way.
Geez check history, more deaths have been caused by religion than anything else. Unless your Jesus, you're human. So called Christians, Muslims, Jews, insert fav religion, have no problem murdering, raping, stealing etc
There have always been rapists, murderers, etc posing under the veil of Christianity. It is actually an indictment on mankind. Godless people do Godless things.
Biden will decry the loss of innocents only to turn this tragedy into a political moment. Sad!
Anyone with a scintilla of empathy will feel the pain of the parents and the loss of innocents. Our society is in disarray. Please, all who post here, read these messages, please be safe. Hold your family close. Hope for common sense. MTG
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
I’m not wrong. It’s acceptable. I have a kid in high school. It’s an acceptable risk for me. I would rather live in a world where this is a risk than one where it isn’t because freedoms have been abrogated to the point it can’t be done.
Sack up and stop being a mealy mouthed bitch. It’s acceptable. If you say it isn’t, you fall right into their hands. Freedom means bad schit happens sometimes.
I believe I explained myself above.
And if there's a mealy mouthed bitch present, it is you.
I'm not falling into anyone's hands.
These events may indeed be a by-product of a free nation. I'll fight to the death for our Constitution and 2nd Amendment.
But at no point is killing kids or innocents acceptable.
I counter that when you say it is, your own dumb ass is falling into their hands.
You’ve always been a dumbass. I won’t budge another phuqing inch on a damned thing. No more gun control. No more mental health issues. No more anything.
All of this a contrived bullshit to get the idiots amongst you to say, “We have to do something” and whatever you do be it gun control, mental health screening, extra security or whatever will become the stuff of dystopian nightmares.
The ONLY answer is “Meh…bad schit happens. So what’s your point?”
None of this coincidental and none of it is anything less than one hundred percent contrived. Want proof? Look up the 2017 Hearing Protection Act. It was scheduled for a vote in the summer of 2017. The day it was scheduled for vote the congressional baseball game got shot up. It was rescheduled for October. And a few days before that the Vegas shooting happened. Incredible coincidence.
I’m immune to their bullshit. It has no effect on me. All of this is one hundred percent acceptable verses any of the posed alternatives.
Yeah, I'm a dumbass.
Yet I'm not the one calling for gun control, nor will I ever. Ever. You know that.
At least I'm not chickenshit enough to be a lawyer. LOL.
And I know the difference between a .270 and 30-06
I’m not wrong. It’s acceptable. I have a kid in high school. It’s an acceptable risk for me. I would rather live in a world where this is a risk than one where it isn’t because freedoms have been abrogated to the point it can’t be done.
Sack up and stop being a mealy mouthed bitch. It’s acceptable. If you say it isn’t, you fall right into their hands. Freedom means bad schit happens sometimes.
I believe I explained myself above.
And if there's a mealy mouthed bitch present, it is you.
I'm not falling into anyone's hands.
These events may indeed be a by-product of a free nation. I'll fight to the death for our Constitution and 2nd Amendment.
But at no point is killing kids or innocents acceptable.
I counter that when you say it is, your own dumb ass is falling into their hands.
You’ve always been a dumbass. I won’t budge another phuqing inch on a damned thing. No more gun control. No more mental health issues. No more anything.
All of this a contrived bullshit to get the idiots amongst you to say, “We have to do something” and whatever you do be it gun control, mental health screening, extra security or whatever will become the stuff of dystopian nightmares.
The ONLY answer is “Meh…bad schit happens. So what’s your point?”
None of this coincidental and none of it is anything less than one hundred percent contrived. Want proof? Look up the 2017 Hearing Protection Act. It was scheduled for a vote in the summer of 2017. The day it was scheduled for vote the congressional baseball game got shot up. It was rescheduled for October. And a few days before that the Vegas shooting happened. Incredible coincidence.
I’m immune to their bullshit. It has no effect on me. All of this is one hundred percent acceptable verses any of the posed alternatives.
Yeah, I'm a dumbass.
Yet I'm not the one calling for gun control, nor will I ever. Ever. You know that.
At least I'm not chickenshit enough to be a lawyer. LOL.
And I know the difference between a .270 and 30-06
Just don’t get caught up in the bullshit. There is nothing good that can be done. Risk is acceptable. Particularly when these incidents are being literally manufactured to make you decide that it isn’t.
Just don’t get caught up in the bullshit. There is nothing good that can be done. Risk is acceptable. Particularly when these incidents are being literally manufactured to make you decide that it isn’t.
I'm not caught up in the BS.
All you can do is arm proficient willing people to protect themselves and others against this evil.
Just don’t get caught up in the bullshit. There is nothing good that can be done. Risk is acceptable. Particularly when these incidents are being literally manufactured to make you decide that it isn’t.
I'm not caught up in the BS.
All you can do is arm proficient willing people to protect themselves and others against this evil.
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
Godless means leaving God out of it there lefty. Being from MN, most of us had you pegged from the get go.
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
The first two thing that get cut any any budget anywhere is education first and mental health second. Until this changes schiit like this is going to continue to happen. No amount of what ifs and maybes is going to fix this.
The mental health budgets in all 50 States got decimated after the O'Connor vs Donaldson decision. Mental health facilities across the country got emptied and mental health services across America got slashed. The politicians looked at this as a huge windfall to spend as they wanted on everything EXCEPT mental health services since O'Connor vs Donaldson took away anything more than a 3 day evaluation detention. Only the profoundly mentally ill were kept in confinement and eventually they went to your local nursing homes. The 21st century mental health facility is your local County jail or if they are found capable of standing a trial they might end up in a prison. Many folks commit crimes that will get them locked up and while they are locked up or on probation only then are they required to turn in any firearms.
This kid shot his grandmother first and then went to the school and shot it up. How in the hell are you going to stop that ? The Supreme Court decision did not take anything into consideration other than being mentally ill is not a jailable (or prisonable) offense. The Supremes pretty much equated a mental health facility the same as a prison or jail. Since health records are hidden and so are juvenile offenses we may never really know what this kids past was like from an official or medical stand point. Only witnesses who are not bound by law can speak of his past.
18 to buy ammo. Interesting debate could be had about earning the right to vote. Found this online: Voting is not an inherent, natural right, it is a privilege we extend to certain citizens. The Founders thought the privilege of voting should only be extended to citizens with “skin in the game” and competent enough to know what they were doing; as evidenced by the ownership of property. Today approximately 40% of Americans pay no income tax. Do they have ““skin in the game?”
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
My heart is broken for the little Texas town I drive through once a year, I've been blessed to meet good people, including the police force, and citizens. I have had nothing but good interactions with the inhabitants of Uvalde. I count it a beautiful place to call home. I cannot wrap my mind around this kind of evil. Though it was my profession to face it here in my homeland. I condemn it. I stand against it. I profess my willingness to die to stop it. I cannot express my sorrow that I had no opportunity to make a difference in this situation. May God bless Uvalde, Texas. May He bless and keep the children who go to school there.
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
Godless means leaving God out of it there lefty. Being from MN, most of us had you pegged from the get go.
Yep. Sounds like he sides with the Somalian Allah worshiping Muslim Whore. About half of Minnysoda is fine with leaving God out of it. 😡
How is it that banks and armored cars are protected by armed guards? But schools are "gun free zones"? Which advertises them as soft targets for psycho pieces of sheet like this fuggin scum bag. What is more precious than our children?
Teachers and administrators need to be carrying. Being Texas I'm surprised there wasn't somebody there that could have stopped it. I'd expect this kind of news coming out of one Libtard states or cities, but not Texas.
Does anyone fear this scenario playing out. Dems control the house and Senate, and President. They enact sweeping, over reaching gun control laws that have far reaching repercussions. Would it be better to have a say in it, on what would really help, before that happens?
Wondering if this was another absent father kinda thing.
18......any gang associations?
Prev mental health stuff?
If they got the right guy Pol has pics of him posing in a mini skirt, makeup etc. They seem to think he was a tranny. If that's true that's a definite sign of mental issues considering something like 40% attempt suicide from what I've read..
Does anyone fear this scenario playing out. Dems control the house and Senate, and President. They enact sweeping, over reaching gun control laws that have far reaching repercussions. Would it be better to have a say in it, on what would really help, before that happens?
Stop beating around the bush. Either come out and say it or stop.
What is it you want done that will stop evil people from doing evil things?
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
So it's you who don't want to engage. "I don't know" is a hell of an idea.
Parents need to be parents first off. Secondly we need more nut houses so these psychos aren't free to roam. Third, get these libtard judges and D.A.'s out to actually keep offenders locked up.
Fourth, how in God's name is an exterior door to an elementary school unsecured?
Fifth put the blame for these incidents at the offenders feet. Not mine, not yours, or anyone else. I will not tolerate being punished for another's evil deeds.
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
You could forcibly ban all guns and do door-to-door confiscation and it wouldn't prevent any mass shootings. These heinous acts were not happening 60 years ago when kids were taking their new.22 to school for show-and-tell, or leaving their .20 gauge with the principal so they could shoot quail on the walk home after school. These crimes have nothing to do with guns! Blaming it on guns is just a lazy, low-resolution response intended to exculpate the real villain which is the culture we've created----no fathers in homes anymore, men entirely emasculated, the state acting as the new "father", boys growing up without a properly civilized man to show them what being a man actually means, moral relativism, cultural despair and on and on and on. We didn't have these crimes when we were watching Ozzy and Harriett on TV.
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
So it's you who don't want to engage. "I don't know" is a hell of an idea.
Parents need to be parents first off. Secondly we need more nut houses so these psychos aren't free to roam. Third, get these libtard judges and D.A.'s out to actually keep offenders locked up.
Fourth, how in God's name is an exterior door to an elementary school unsecured?
Fifth put them blame for these incidents at the offenders feet. Not mine, not yours, or anyone else. I will not tolerate being punished for another's evil deeds.
Common sense gun control and red flag laws would suit him just fine.
Years ago a guy did a talk about fire suppression systems in schools compared to active shooter situations. Something about how schools are built around fire suppression as part of the building code, and no kid has died in a school fire for 50 years. Yet schools aren’t built to prevent or even address active shooter situations.
There’s a fire extinguisher in every classroom.
Why isn’t there a gun?
We’re not going to prevent evil people from visiting evil upon us, but we sure as hell can shoot back.
How is it that banks and armored cars are protected by armed guards? But schools are "gun free zones"? Which advertises them as soft targets for psycho pieces of sheet like this fuggin scum bag. What is more precious than our children?
Teachers and administrators need to be carrying. Being Texas I'm surprised there wasn't somebody there that could have stopped it. I'd expect this kind of news coming out of one Libtard states or cities, but not Texas.
It’s up to the School Board and Superintendent to allow whether Teachers and School Employees with a LTC to carry on School Grounds. Texas Law allows for it if approved by the Sup. & School Board. Hopefully this will encourage a lot of TX School Districts to allow Legal LTC license holders to carry. I know the school district here locally allows it
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
So it's you who don't want to engage. "I don't know" is a hell of an idea.
Parents need to be parents first off. Secondly we need more nut houses so these psychos aren't free to roam. Third, get these libtard judges and D.A.'s out to actually keep offenders locked up.
Fourth, how in God's name is an exterior door to an elementary school unsecured?
Fifth put them blame for these incidents at the offenders feet. Not mine, not yours, or anyone else. I will not tolerate being punished for another's evil deeds.
Common sense gun control and red flag laws would suit him just fine.
I want to do something, I want these school shootings to stop. Not being evasive, I don't have answers. But I think all of us have probably had a thought or two at some point on something that could make this better. Keeps guns out of Tranny hands, or far right crazys or whatever label you want to put on the perpetrators, doesn't matter to me, it's equal opportunity as far as I see it. As soon as you go on a forum like this and give hint of gun control, doesn't matter how big your arsenal is or how much you donate to the NRA, you're a lefty, a troll, a plant, a non christian, whatever. Just sling as much mud as possible. But I think we as gun owners we need to be part of the solution and to stick our heads in the sand and say the system is what it is, acceptable losses, is not good.
I want to do something, I want these school shootings to stop. Not being evasive, I don't have answers. But I think all of us have probably had a thought or two at some point on something that could make this better. Keeps guns out of Tranny hands, or far right crazys or whatever label you want to put on the perpetrators, doesn't matter to me, it's equal opportunity as far as I see it. As soon as you go on a forum like this and give hint of gun control, doesn't matter how big your arsenal is or how much you donate to the NRA, you're a lefty, a troll, a plant, a non christian, whatever. Just sling as much mud as possible. But I think we as gun owners we need to be part of the solution and to stick our heads in the sand and say the system is what it is, acceptable losses, is not good.
But to offer up gun control as the only option is irresponsible.
It’s not gun control, it’s crazy people control. Forget the tool, look at the person with the tool.
I want to do something, I want these school shootings to stop. Not being evasive, I don't have answers. But I think all of us have probably had a thought or two at some point on something that could make this better. Keeps guns out of Tranny hands, or far right crazys or whatever label you want to put on the perpetrators, doesn't matter to me, it's equal opportunity as far as I see it. As soon as you go on a forum like this and give hint of gun control, doesn't matter how big your arsenal is or how much you donate to the NRA, you're a lefty, a troll, a plant, a non christian, whatever. Just sling as much mud as possible. But I think we as gun owners we need to be part of the solution and to stick our heads in the sand and say the system is what it is, acceptable losses, is not good.
I have three different sets of grandkids in three different school systems here in central Texas. I cannot get into any of these assorted campuses with out buzzing the door buzzer or entering thru the admin office. Which also has locked entrance/exit doors.
About 20 or so years ago wife was a volunteer teachers aid for reading classes. Yet another different campus with secured entrances.
I thought a locked and secured campus was all the norm now?? What gives??
One grandson and granddaughter attended a school with armed teachers and a QRF! And were talking a small country school!
Blowhard Joe didn’t waste a moment to turn a tragedy into politics. Bet not one libtard political figure will say anything about the violence games and videos. Protected by the first amendment “my ass”! MTG
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
You can't articulate whatever your point is....
No, that tells us all we need to know.
Yep. What a place to get your “news” from. That F A G Anderson Cooper lies as much as Hiden Joe Biden.
Does anyone fear this scenario playing out. Dems control the house and Senate, and President. They enact sweeping, over reaching gun control laws that have far reaching repercussions. Would it be better to have a say in it, on what would really help, before that happens?
The dems knew they stole the 2020 election. With that in mind that gives them carte blanc to drive America like they stole it, because they did. They know that any day now the "jig is up" and they could be out on their ear at any moment. The democRATS have been shoving garbage down America's throat since day one of idiot biden's presidency because they could with the understanding that it may all come to a screeching halt at any time.
To answer your question, yes, they are not going to pass up this good crisis and they will do what ever they can to shove more of their agenda down America's throat. We on the political right will not have a say in anything until after the mid terms and ONLY IF we take back the House and the Senate. The democRATS have the election fraud down to a science, they don't plan on losing anything. As long as their is one copy of the U.S. Constitution out there in print, that is conservative Americans plan to save our country.
I want to do something, I want these school shootings to stop. Not being evasive, I don't have answers. But I think all of us have probably had a thought or two at some point on something that could make this better. Keeps guns out of Tranny hands, or far right crazys or whatever label you want to put on the perpetrators, doesn't matter to me, it's equal opportunity as far as I see it. As soon as you go on a forum like this and give hint of gun control, doesn't matter how big your arsenal is or how much you donate to the NRA, you're a lefty, a troll, a plant, a non christian, whatever. Just sling as much mud as possible. But I think we as gun owners we need to be part of the solution and to stick our heads in the sand and say the system is what it is, acceptable losses, is not good.
But to offer up gun control as the only option is irresponsible.
It’s not gun control, it’s crazy people control. Forget the tool, look at the person with the tool.
Damn, it ain’t that hard.
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This. God-damn it, someone in power has to be able to see this simple fact. Nearly 100% of all school shootings is some teenage male nutjob who's hell bent for leather to go out with a blaze of Glory. Address and make laws to prevent THAT.
A gun is an inanimate object, much like the pressure cooker that killed 3 and injured hundreds in Boston.
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
Leaving God and his son Jesus Christ out of it is the problem.
The government has never been good at fixing much of anything, ever!
Parents and teachers emotionally get in their own way of any sensible protection for hardening schools - sure they have closed campuses with cameras galore, and some even have roaming school police.
But to lock a school down to the degree of a prison isn’t likely to happen. Entrances and exits door are constantly being opened and locks defeated by students doing random acts of kid stuff.
To secure a school and make it a hard target. All doors/windows would need monitoring systems for accidentally or nefarious openings by student or teachers.
Single point of entry for foot traffic only with scans for weapons and searches of bags and backpacks. Trained and armed individuals at main points of entrance with active security camera monitoring of exterior/interior campus looking for individuals starting an attack.
Most of these attacks are internal and done by current or former students. Schools and school police suck at stopping school bullying and some parents aren’t anywhere near concerned enough to take action if their kid is a major dick head to smaller, weaker kids.
Then there’s the arming of some teachers. That hasn’t gotten much traction either, due to teachers and parents being emotional and what’s the training and certification for an armed teacher look like?
The fact is, society has changed over the years. Bullying has went from only the school grounds to 24/7 365 days a year with social media. Some kids have no relief, other than to disconnect from all social media...Which is often used as a teaching aide at schools.
Then there’s the media itself, which has to report on these horrible acts of violence - leading to the next copycat, kid shooter.
Kids, killing kids has become prolific business for the media. There are some reasonable ways to reduce the attacks, but nothing is failure proof. Murphy’s Law lives.
I also don’t believe video gaming creates a murderer. I don’t believe kids being exposed to proper use of a firearm will make a kid more likely to kill others...I do believe that unchecked bullying can cause some vulnerable kids, who may be gamers or have family members that own firearms that they can get their hands on, might go full retard and surrender to their pain and inflict their vengeance on others.
At the end...A lot of parents are just flat out dogshît. Not all, but a lot of them are.
I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump.
Please explain how it is Trump’s fault that you’re a liberal clam.
You haven't answered this yet. From your statement I'll assume you voted for the dipshit in the Whitehouse now, correct?
As far as I'm concerned your opinion means nothing to anyone here if those are the facts and judging by your statements I don't think anyone here can think otherwise. GFY
Blowhard Joe didn’t waste a moment to turn a tragedy into politics. Bet not one libtard political figure will say anything about the violence games and videos. Protected by the first amendment “my ass”! MTG
This. Poor kids not even at room temperature and the POS is pushing gun control.
When I was in Israel a few months back I went to visit a friend who is a teacher at a high school in a small farming town between Tel Aviv and Gaza. Other than rocket attacks, it's not really a center for terror activities. When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It's a shame that this is the reality, but it is the reality and no one wants to see dead kids. I know the lunatics here in the US would argue that we've turned schools into prisons if such a system were put in place, but it sure is an effective system and it doesn't require anyone to give up individual rights.
If you're the type who would rather take away guns from the 99% of people who use them lawfully, rather than put common sense security into school buildings, you'll end up being a good party loyalist when every other freedom is taken away.
When I was in Israel a few months back I went to visit a friend who is a teacher at a high school in a small farming town between Tel Aviv and Gaza. Other than rocket attacks, it's not really a center for terror activities. When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It's a shame that this is the reality, but it is the reality and no one wants to see dead kids. I know the lunatics here in the US would argue that we've turned schools into prisons if such a system were put in place, but it sure is an effective system and it doesn't require anyone to give up individual rights.
If you're the type who would rather take away guns from the 99% of people who use them lawfully, rather than put common sense security into school buildings, you'll end up being a good party loyalist when every other freedom is taken away.
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
Soon you may only get to watch Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon on your VHS player.
Word is they are gonna be fired by the new boss David Zaslav of Warner Bros.
There is no way that a human can harbor that kind of evil without telegraphing it in some way.
This. A thousand times this. I am so sick of this "Nobody could have seen this coming" BS in situations like this. Anyone who could shoot an entire classroom full of small children in cold blood is either evil on a scale hard to fathom or completely batchit insane. Maybe a combination of the two. But no matter which of those best describe this guy there is NO WAY a person like that could spend 18 years in the same house with other humans without them noticing some serious warning signs. I have a 15 year old son. The notion that he could secretly be the kind of person that could do something like this without me having any clue is laughable. This is not like some teenager slipping behind your back and drinking beer or smoking cigarettes without you as a parent knowing about it. There is NO WAY a person capable of this kind of insanely evil act is getting up every day and leading a seemingly normal life.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
A meteor needs to hit Washington D.C. and flatten that town and everybody in it.
Vladdy has a couple of "meteors" on standby even as we speak.
Them sunsabitches in DC are a helluva lot bigger threat to me and my family and my freedom than Vlad could ever dream of being. Know who your REAL enemies are. 7mm
A meteor needs to hit Washington D.C. and flatten that town and everybody in it.
Vladdy has a couple of "meteors" on standby even as we speak.
Them sunsabitches in DC are a helluva lot bigger threat to me and my family and my freedom than Vlad could ever dream of being. Know who your REAL enemies are. 7mm
Absolutely correct. The enemy resides in dc plain and simple
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
This info released by the Ulvalde School District makes no mention of Armed Officers.
From the Article:
“UCISD's website states that the district has "proponents to curb and/or eliminate" elements of" violence, vandalism, disruptions and fear" in its schools to "provide a safe and secure environment for all." “Those proponents include four officers, including a chief, a detective and two officers within the school district; partnerships with local law enforcement agencies; security staff that patrols door entrances and parking lots at secondary campuses; case managers and social workers on UCISD campuses; licensed counselors; threat assessment teams; social media threat monitoring; a visitor management security system; canine detection services; motion detectors and alarm systems; perimeter fencing at Robb and other schools; security vestibules and outside buzz-in systems; security cameras; a locked classroom door policy; staff and student training; and a threat reporting system. “
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
Leaving God and his son Jesus Christ out of it is the problem.
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
It's not the federal government's job to solve every social problem, especially if they caused it in the first place. The problem is fatherless boys. Leftism is primarily responsible for that and you can't fix that problem by simply hardening schools.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
It's not the federal government's job to solve every social problem, especially if they caused it in the first place. The problem is fatherless boys. Leftism is primarily responsible for that and you can't fix that problem by simply hardening schools.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
It's not the federal government's job to solve every social problem, especially if they caused it in the first place. The problem is fatherless boys. Leftism is primarily responsible for that and you can't fix that problem by simply hardening schools.
BS. $40 billion would help provide security. Like Rand Paul said, $500 from everyone in America.
I dont post often but Ive been here longer than you have. Same with AR. No screamin liberal. Imagine if you can for a second, it's one of your kids. I think how do we keep guns out of the hands of people that would commit these crimes. And keep guns in the hands or responsible, law abiding, not crazy Americans
I would think you would realize that the solution does not involve keep guns out of the hands of people (liberal logic). It involved properly treating people and valuing life. Life needs to be taught to be valued, that has diminished in our society. Evil people will do what it takes to get their goal accomplished. Legislating guns and access is NOT the answer.
Bonus point. There is no such thing as common sense gun laws
When I was in Israel a few months back I went to visit a friend who is a teacher at a high school in a small farming town between Tel Aviv and Gaza. Other than rocket attacks, it's not really a center for terror activities. When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It's a shame that this is the reality, but it is the reality and no one wants to see dead kids. I know the lunatics here in the US would argue that we've turned schools into prisons if such a system were put in place, but it sure is an effective system and it doesn't require anyone to give up individual rights.
If you're the type who would rather take away guns from the 99% of people who use them lawfully, rather than put common sense security into school buildings, you'll end up being a good party loyalist when every other freedom is taken away.
Originally Posted by Remsen
When I was in Israel a few months back I went to visit a friend who is a teacher at a high school in a small farming town between Tel Aviv and Gaza. Other than rocket attacks, it's not really a center for terror activities. When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It's a shame that this is the reality, but it is the reality and no one wants to see dead kids. I know the lunatics here in the US would argue that we've turned schools into prisons if such a system were put in place, but it sure is an effective system and it doesn't require anyone to give up individual rights.
If you're the type who would rather take away guns from the 99% of people who use them lawfully, rather than put common sense security into school buildings, you'll end up being a good party loyalist when every other freedom is taken away.
I disagree. I truly believe many dems love the fact there are these shootings. It helps further their agenda. Metal dtectors, security, and locked doirs from the outside would be a cheap and effective deterrent. Take the millions/billions spent to sell gun control and put protective measure in place in the schools. Nope, they don't want that... it would lessen their opportunity to further their agenda.
PS. If the Federal Government can legally require all kids who dont get private education to get public education then the Federal government has a responsibility to protect them or we need a new Federal government.
I'm all for hardening the schools. The fact that this person can walk into an elementary school is crazy to me. I've often thought our schools have terrible security. This is good for prevention, doesn't cure the problem. Our president's stopped driving around in open motorcades, times change, and we have to change with the times. SOcial media, we better find a way to profile and prevent. Most of these people post prolifically. There's a couple changes that might help. What else
Actually, it's friends and family ENABLING crazy people. That, and making excuses for them. The fatherless boy problem is indeed a problem, but I know many boys that grew up without a father that turned out just fine, and went on to become productive law abiding citizens. Have some enabled white trash about 50 yards away that the family enables when he should be back in prison. He's already been on 3 or 4 felonies and in the county lock up countless times. Just a useless space waster. And there's many tens of thousands just like him. I won't accept excuses for these criminals and psychopaths that need to be locked away and/or executed
Phone signal here's keeps me from posting pictures but I hope you all can find the pictures of this guy or thing dressed as a woman and all the tranny and bisexual f****** b******* typical Democrat
My heart is broken for the little Texas town I drive through once a year, I've been blessed to meet good people, including the police force, and citizens. I have had nothing but good interactions with the inhabitants of Uvalde. I count it a beautiful place to call home. I cannot wrap my mind around this kind of evil. Though it was my profession to face it here in my homeland. I condemn it. I stand against it. I profess my willingness to die to stop it. I cannot express my sorrow that I had no opportunity to make a difference in this situation. May God bless Uvalde, Texas. May He bless and keep the children who go to school there.
No idea if this has been posted, but Colion Noir was on Tucker Carlson addressing this shooting.
I want to add, that I’ve been waiting and dreading something like this ever since the election was stolen. I still look for a ban/buyback on defense rifles and registration on most everything else. Gun control never works for the stated purpose, which is to prevent violence. However, it is always effective for its real intended purpose, which is to make law abiding people helpless and dependent on government for protection from crime. Don’t fall for it. They want you and me to be helpless. It makes their job easier! 7mm
Sane people don’t do these deeds. Wife works with the worst of them in the school. She can see their eyes are empty. They have no feeling. True sociopaths and psychopaths. She can get them admitted only for a few days and only if they are a threat to themselves. They need to be institutionalized and heavily medicated.
We closed most of those facilities in the 80s and 90s. Let the cops deal with them. And if they’re bad enough, the prisons. Well that model clearly isn’t working.
I forgive you for being an Aggie, first off. I lean more left of center these days, thank you Trump. I think there are a lot of americans in the center, left and right of the middle. More than those extreme left and right. I was thinking about your points earlier. Alcohol kills a lot of people, and destroys a lot of lives. Tobacco still kills millions, so where do you draw the line? You have to be at least 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco. Maybe increasing the age of being able to own a firearm. YOu have to take a test to drive a car. Let's leave God out of it, He's not helping
Dude, you dont get it. You CANT legislate guns to stop this kind of violence. Its like talking to a brick wall. It is about God (sorry your not a believer). Its about the value of life. Its not working because there is a constant increase in removing, hating, or discrediting religeon, which in turn divides people, takes away opportunities for bonding and coming together and removes some of the basic codes of humanity. I dont buy your crap about Trump either. Nothing Trump did would push a conservative to the left of center, compared to the Green New Deal, All that Biden has done and the Radical agenda that is attacking America right now, including the riots, BLM, attacks on energy, unnecessary taxing and attacks on the rich. Dont buy it for a second.
Failure drill. Two to the body one to the head or pelvic girdle. Apparently he was wearing armor. It's becoming common place. God forbid you find yourself in a self defense situation, if you are putting rounds on target center mass without response, transition to head or pelvic girdle (ie the d*ck). Practice it.
Not enough LE or avg Joe citizen practices the Failure drill. Stitch the target.
Have fam that worked juvi. Seen some w the ten mile deep eyes. Aint wired right. Can only keep em til 18 and then theyre free to raise Hell as an adult.
People have no clue how many fugged up kids there are. According to my source:
1/3 are on drugs 1/3 were abused 1/3 have low IQ
There are some that fit in multiple catagories.
None can function decent in society, so they blame society and unleash their rage at never fitting in.
On another forum it was disclosed that the Uvalde teachers wanted to carry guns but the school board said "No!"
Then there should be a lawsuit against the school board, a suit for violating the rights of the school teachers and leaving them in a vulnerable position. They should be held responsible. This is what citizens should push for.
And the ACLU standing guard over crazy people being identified, evaluated, treated, and in certain cases, locked away for the safety of themselves and the community.
Some people shouldn’t be allowed to walk amongst us.
On another forum it was disclosed that the Uvalde teachers wanted to carry guns but the school board said "No!"
Then there should be a lawsuit against the school board, a suit for violating the rights of the school teachers and leaving them in a vulnerable position. They should be held responsible. This is what citizens should push for.
Sane people don’t do these deeds. Wife works with the worst of them in the school. She can see their eyes are empty. They have no feeling. True sociopaths and psychopaths. She can get them admitted only for a few days and only if they are a threat to themselves. They need to be institutionalized and heavily medicated.
We closed most of those facilities in the 80s and 90s. Let the cops deal with them. And if they’re bad enough, the prisons. Well that model clearly isn’t working.
The only real cure is to take them out behind the barn and put a 22 lr behind the ear.
Failure drill. Two to the body one to the head or pelvic girdle. Apparently he was wearing armor. It's becoming common place. God forbid you find yourself in a self defense situation, if you are putting rounds on target center mass without response, transition to head or pelvic girdle (ie the d*ck). Practice it.
Not enough LE or avg Joe citizen practices the Failure drill. Stitch the target.
Uvalde is a small town. I’m sure this guy was no mystery to his high school classmates, a lot should come out in the next few days..
The Commie Socialist Fake News Media will bury those stories. All they care about is Gun Control, just like their Puppet Dementia Ridden Fake President Biden.
Heard it said on Fox tonight that there’s 100 billion $$$ in Covid funds for schools that is still unused. So our gov did it for the children but apparently the children turned it down. That means there are politicians foaming at the mouth waiting to divey up the “excess funds”. That much money would go a LONG way toward making schools secure.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
It's not the federal government's job to solve every social problem, especially if they caused it in the first place. The problem is fatherless boys. Leftism is primarily responsible for that and you can't fix that problem by simply hardening schools.
Bull f*cking pu$$y....somebody, I do not give a schiet who, send some of the Ukrainian billions to the US schools.
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
Or who leaked the Roberts opinion?
I can’t speak to your first question. That investigation seemed to go nowhere and then faded away forever. Go figure.
Your second question, having no answers for culpability or guilty of the leak is beyond any understanding.
There is 9 justices with 4 clerks each, so a total of 36 possible suspects. They can’t question and run a lie detector on 36 individuals and get a sense of who is lying by now?
Sure, sure…There’s nothing going on here, but business as usual.
Regarding ammo I didn't know so I searched it. 21 to buy handgun ammo and 18 rifle and shotgun. That's what I read in a couple places
are there any 40 cal or 9mm, 357, .45 cal rifles in production moron??
Yep. Case in Point: HiPoint, S&W, Ruger, Colt, Winchester, Henry, Rossi, KelTec, etc. And also, I thought you couldn’t buy .556 and 7.62x39 ammo unless you’re 21 in some States, too.
Failure drill. Two to the body one to the head or pelvic girdle. Apparently he was wearing armor. It's becoming common place. God forbid you find yourself in a self defense situation, if you are putting rounds on target center mass without response, transition to head or pelvic girdle (ie the d*ck). Practice it.
Not enough LE or avg Joe citizen practices the Failure drill. Stitch the target.
Stitch the shooter up the legs to the groin area.
then finish on the head
Center mass is a high probability target. Legs are very low (small target usually moving). Start center mass, adjust p.o.a. if no response to center mass. Pelvic girdle is probably your 2nd best target area as it is large as well.
Gov Abbott just said the shooter was an American Citizen. 19 kids murdered. 2, adults, 1 teacher and the shooters grandmother. + the cowardly murderer.
ok. lol. Depends how mass shootings you've been involved in. Ever seen someone shot a few times in the legs? I have more than once. They are immediately on the ground
Train a lot for the specific situation and more and more mass shooter wearing body armor. Legs and groin area a lot easier to hit than a head.
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Failure drill. Two to the body one to the head or pelvic girdle. Apparently he was wearing armor. It's becoming common place. God forbid you find yourself in a self defense situation, if you are putting rounds on target center mass without response, transition to head or pelvic girdle (ie the d*ck). Practice it.
Not enough LE or avg Joe citizen practices the Failure drill. Stitch the target.
Stitch the shooter up the legs to the groin area.
then finish on the head
Center mass is a high probability target. Legs are very low (small target usually moving). Start center mass, adjust p.o.a. if no response to center mass. Pelvic girdle is probably your 2nd best target area as it is large as well.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
It's not the federal government's job to solve every social problem, especially if they caused it in the first place. The problem is fatherless boys. Leftism is primarily responsible for that and you can't fix that problem by simply hardening schools.
Bull f*cking pu$$y....somebody, I do not give a schiet who, send some of the Ukrainian billions to the US schools.
Harden the schools and they'll just shoot up the mall. Fix the root of the problem which is mass fatherlessness and the war on men and boys.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
It's not the federal government's job to solve every social problem, especially if they caused it in the first place. The problem is fatherless boys. Leftism is primarily responsible for that and you can't fix that problem by simply hardening schools.
Bull f*cking pu$$y....somebody, I do not give a schiet who, send some of the Ukrainian billions to the US schools.
Harden the schools and they'll just shoot up the mall. Fix the root of the problem which is mass fatherlessness and the war on men and boys.
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
It maybe my conspiracy minded brain talking. But with the guberment doing the investigation, I’d say conspiracy is at least likely. Anyway, I’d lay dollars to donuts that the alleged Vegas Shooter was dead before the first shot was fired! 7mm
Own a gun (guns) carry a gun (guns/loaded) control your gun. Goes for everyone. Politeness would then abound. The rare shooter would quickly be put down by gun control..See the video of the White Settlement shooting Barry posted..See how easy that works. Firearms and ammo would be tax deductible (Constitutional) as would range fees and memberships. I could go on but will let someone else pick this ball up and run with it awhile.....Where's Prewar ?
Own a gun (guns) carry a gun (guns/loaded) control your gun. Goes for everyone. Politeness would then abound. The rare shooter would quickly be put down by gun control..See the video of the White Settlement shooting Barry posted..See how easy that works. Firearms and ammo would be tax deductible (Constitutional) as would range fees and memberships. I could go on but will let someone else pick this ball up and run with it awhile.....Where's Prewar ?
These people are literally manufactured. This is war against you by our government or elements therein. Don’t take the bait. Do not treat this as if it is a natural phenomenon. It isn’t.
These people are literally manufactured. This is war against you by our government or elements therein. Don’t take the bait. Do not treat this as if it is a natural phenomenon. It isn’t.
Own a gun (guns) carry a gun (guns/loaded) control your gun. Goes for everyone. Politeness would then abound. The rare shooter would quickly be put down by gun control..See the video of the White Settlement shooting Barry posted..See how easy that works. Firearms and ammo would be tax deductible (Constitutional) as would range fees and memberships. I could go on but will let someone else pick this ball up and run with it awhile.....Where's Prewar ?
THIS /\ /\!!! This outta be the quote of the month!
These people are literally manufactured. This is war against you by our government or elements therein. Don’t take the bait. Do not treat this as if it is a natural phenomenon. It isn’t.
More like a War by the current Government on White Christian Conservative Gun Owning Americans. 😡
Some of the high school shooters are bullied relentlessly or have some grievance, which doesn’t justify what they do, but maybe brings some clarity to the motive.
But what on earth would possess anyone to walk into a school and kill a bunch of little kids?
I said the same thing to my wife over dinner. I got choked up thinking about the pain those parents are suffering. The scars the emotional survivors will carry forever. This one truly punched me in the gut.
There is no way that a human can harbor that kind of evil without telegraphing it in some way.
These people are literally manufactured. This is war against you by our government or elements therein. Don’t take the bait. Do not treat this as if it is a natural phenomenon. It isn’t.
More like a War by the current Government on White Christian Conservative Gun Owning Americans. 😡
I agree with this 100%. But the FBI monitors just put the 3 of us on another watch list for being dangerous racist extremists for saying so! 7mm
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
Or who leaked the Roberts opinion?
I can’t speak to your first question. That investigation seemed to go nowhere and then faded away forever. Go figure.
Your second question, having no answers for culpability or guilty of the leak is beyond any understanding.
There is 9 justices with 4 clerks each, so a total of 36 possible suspects. They can’t question and run a lie detector on 36 individuals and get a sense of who is lying by now?
Sure, sure…There’s nothing going on here, but business as usual.
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
Or who leaked the Roberts opinion?
I can’t speak to your first question. That investigation seemed to go nowhere and then faded away forever. Go figure.
Your second question, having no answers for culpability or guilty of the leak is beyond any understanding.
There is 9 justices with 4 clerks each, so a total of 36 possible suspects. They can’t question and run a lie detector on 36 individuals and get a sense of who is lying by now?
Sure, sure…There’s nothing going on here, but business as usual.
As a country things that 30-40yrs ago were taboo are now normal. Several states you can abort a healthy baby after birth we are talking full term baby. The mom can say I don’t want it so they cut the spinal cord. 30-40yrs ago that kind of talk would’ve got you ran out of town labeled a quack. The big is transgenderism hell 20yrs ago people were like wtf is wrong with you. Today it’s been normalized, you have school teachers preaching it’s normal it’s ph ucking mind boggling. gender dysphoria Is a mental disorder recognized as such by the top psychiatrist in the world. But nope here in good ol USA it’s perfectly fine. Their are several other things that have been normalized oh like child molestation they are trying to normalize that. This country is off axis bad.
No way of knowing yet if this guy would have been detained for mental health reasons. Cross-dressing is accepted and somewhat trendy now. The guy posted photos of his expensive AR’s, no one here is gonna support investigating a kid for that.
The guy apparently did not live with his parents, which suggests a less-than-ideal upbringing. What is certain is that, like most every other kid today big city or in the sticks, he was raised on his phone, hours and hours every day.
What they get on their phones ain’t about responsibility, God and Country. On his phone that guy could find inspiration, affirmation and support for whatever perverse road he was tripping down.
As a country things that 30-40yrs ago were taboo are now normal. Several states you can abort a healthy baby after birth we are talking full term baby. The mom can say I don’t want it so they cut the spinal cord. 30-40yrs ago that kind of talk would’ve got you ran out of town labeled a quack. The big is transgenderism hell 20yrs ago people were like wtf is wrong with you. Today it’s been normalized, you have school teachers preaching it’s normal it’s ph ucking mind boggling. gender dysphoria Is a mental disorder recognized as such by the top psychiatrist in the world. But nope here in good ol USA it’s perfectly fine. Their are several other things that have been normalized oh like child molestation they are trying to normalize that. This country is off axis bad.
Purple haired, nose ringed, 6th plane gender residents ain't f'n normal. Sorry about that, snowflakes. Now go play in traffic.. HEAVY traffic.. Like an international airport landing strip or a cruise port egress channel.
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
Or who leaked the Roberts opinion?
I can’t speak to your first question. That investigation seemed to go nowhere and then faded away forever. Go figure.
Your second question, having no answers for culpability or guilty of the leak is beyond any understanding.
There is 9 justices with 4 clerks each, so a total of 36 possible suspects. They can’t question and run a lie detector on 36 individuals and get a sense of who is lying by now?
Sure, sure…There’s nothing going on here, but business as usual.
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You're mind-reading again.
We tend to have that problem…
Lol
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36 is NOT a big number. Fry em up on the lie detector and see what floats to the top. This is not rocket science and anybody paying attention knows it.
These people are literally manufactured. This is war against you by our government or elements therein. Don’t take the bait. Do not treat this as if it is a natural phenomenon. It isn’t.
More like a War by the current Government on White Christian Conservative Gun Owning Americans. 😡
I agree with this 100%. But the FBI monitors just put the 3 of us on another watch list for being dangerous racist extremists for saying so! 7mm
Own a gun (guns) carry a gun (guns/loaded) control your gun. Goes for everyone. Politeness would then abound. The rare shooter would quickly be put down by gun control..See the video of the White Settlement shooting Barry posted..See how easy that works. Firearms and ammo would be tax deductible (Constitutional) as would range fees and memberships. I could go on but will let someone else pick this ball up and run with it awhile.....Where's Prewar ?
THIS /\ /\!!! This outta be the quote of the month!
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
Or who leaked the Roberts opinion?
I can’t speak to your first question. That investigation seemed to go nowhere and then faded away forever. Go figure.
Your second question, having no answers for culpability or guilty of the leak is beyond any understanding.
There is 9 justices with 4 clerks each, so a total of 36 possible suspects. They can’t question and run a lie detector on 36 individuals and get a sense of who is lying by now?
Sure, sure…There’s nothing going on here, but business as usual.
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You're mind-reading again.
We tend to have that problem…
Lol
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36 is NOT a big number. Fry em up on the lie detector and see what floats to the top. This is not rocket science and anybody paying attention knows it.
I figure the power structure elite don’t want their very Liberal Justice, who’s Clerk did the leaking being forced to face public scrutiny.
Just surfing the liberal channels to see what they’re saying. Joe blow on MS NBC just reported that the AR 15 rifle is 40% more deadly than a military M-16 weapon because the M-16 shoots a larger bullet & the AR 15 shoots a smaller more unstable bullet. ??????! you can’t make this crap up
No way of knowing yet if this guy would have been detained for mental health reasons. Cross-dressing is accepted and somewhat trendy now. The guy posted photos of his expensive AR’s, no one here is gonna support investigating a kid for that.
The guy apparently did not live with his parents, which suggests a less-than-ideal upbringing. What is certain is that, like most every other kid today big city or in the sticks, he was raised on his phone, hours and hours every day.
What they get on their phones ain’t about responsibility, God and Country. On his phone that guy could find inspiration, affirmation and support for whatever perverse road he was tripping down.
Hard to argue with this.
Lack of parental guidance, especially from Dad's or father figures, are a big part in a lot of what's going on with younger people
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
Or who leaked the Roberts opinion?
I can’t speak to your first question. That investigation seemed to go nowhere and then faded away forever. Go figure.
Your second question, having no answers for culpability or guilty of the leak is beyond any understanding.
There is 9 justices with 4 clerks each, so a total of 36 possible suspects. They can’t question and run a lie detector on 36 individuals and get a sense of who is lying by now?
Sure, sure…There’s nothing going on here, but business as usual.
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You're mind-reading again.
We tend to have that problem…
Lol
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36 is NOT a big number. Fry em up on the lie detector and see what floats to the top. This is not rocket science and anybody paying attention knows it.
I figure the power structure elite don’t want their very Liberal Justice, who’s Clerk did the leaking being forced to face public scrutiny.
Sotomayor comes to mind.
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Everyone knows it was the Court Jester that did it.. It’s just one more in a Long Line of things to Laugh Off Burton Cumming song Laughing cum’s to Mind..
Own a gun (guns) carry a gun (guns/loaded) control your gun. Goes for everyone. Politeness would then abound. The rare shooter would quickly be put down by gun control..See the video of the White Settlement shooting Barry posted..See how easy that works. Firearms and ammo would be tax deductible (Constitutional) as would range fees and memberships. I could go on but will let someone else pick this ball up and run with it awhile.....Where's Prewar ?
Because Uvalde is so close to the border, I am wondering if Biden will go visit the school.
Because the shooter was a crossdressing mentally ill $hit of Mexican descent, Biden is going after the gun manufacturers and not the shooter.
My only question is - What about all the hundreds of innocent folks who are being murdered by gang activity across the country? Where are the crocodile tears and mock outrage for them?
As a country things that 30-40yrs ago were taboo are now normal. Several states you can abort a healthy baby after birth we are talking full term baby. The mom can say I don’t want it so they cut the spinal cord. 30-40yrs ago that kind of talk would’ve got you ran out of town labeled a quack. The big is transgenderism hell 20yrs ago people were like wtf is wrong with you. Today it’s been normalized, you have school teachers preaching it’s normal it’s ph ucking mind boggling. gender dysphoria Is a mental disorder recognized as such by the top psychiatrist in the world. But nope here in good ol USA it’s perfectly fine. Their are several other things that have been normalized oh like child molestation they are trying to normalize that. This country is off axis bad.
Roe v Wade decision was supposed to come out in the next few days right?
How convenient. You can time these things by major legislative events and the like. Bad economic news and so on and so forth. Every time the narrative needs to change
Don't forget, there was a cop at the school in Broward Co, and when the shooting started , the coward ran and hid. Having a cop at the school means nothing if they don't do their job.
Don't forget, there was a cop at the school in Broward Co, and when the shooting started , the coward ran and hid. Having a cop at the school means nothing if they don't do their job.
Yeah, I had forgotten about that .....................
Don't forget, there was a cop at the school in Broward Co, and when the shooting started , the coward ran and hid. Having a cop at the school means nothing if they don't do their job.
The press is reporting that the shooter was wearing body armor and that the good guys with guns had trouble taking him down.
"One Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.
The agent was wounded but able to walk out of the school, the law enforcement source said."
I dont post often but Ive been here longer than you have. Same with AR. No screamin liberal. Imagine if you can for a second, it's one of your kids. I think how do we keep guns out of the hands of people that would commit these crimes. And keep guns in the hands or responsible, law abiding, not crazy Americans
That's about as fuggin' stupid a call for gun control as I've ever heard.
1) There are 200,000 guns in Uvalde County that weren't used in a school shooting today, or any day.
2) An evil human being committed this crime. He wasn't worried about laws or doing anything illegal. Last I checked, it is illegal to commit murder. It's illegal to shoot your grandmother, and anyone else.
3) Gun laws are only obeyed by the law abiding. That is it. People who do this don't follow the law. No law at all would have stopped this, if he was committed to do so.
You ought to pull your head out of your ass. You may find the breathe of fresh air nice for a change.
So this is acceptable? Just comes with the territory. Part of the cost of gun ownership and the privilege of being American?
Yes, it is acceptable.
Absolutely. Freedom is fraught with danger, but well worth it. The solution is to be armed at all times, and prepared to deal with nutjobs should they arise.
So this is acceptable? Just comes with the territory. Part of the cost of gun ownership and the privilege of being American?
Yes, it is acceptable.
You are both wrong.
This isn't acceptable.
Killing kids or innocents never is.
But to give up our constitutional rights in favor of govt protection is setting yourself and our nation up for mass killing.
Read your history books, people.
JoeBob wasn't saying mass murderers are acceptable. He was saying that the risks associated with living in liberty are an acceptable tradeoff for the benefits of living in liberty.
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
Easy solution. Get rid of laws that prevent the law abiding from carrying effective weapons. These lunatics love environments where regular folks are forced to be unarmed, and they avoid areas where they believe there are lots of armed good guys. It's really that simple.
How about just putting nuts away? Unless that is done, not a DAMN thing can be done about crazy people doing crazy things. Oh...I get it. It's mean.
Who sprung em?
Reagan?
Actually it was the Supreme Court. No person imprisoned without felony conviction, no criminal responsibility if they're crazy, etc.
They sure didn’t have a problem putting John Hinckley Jr in the nut farm for 30 plus years for shooting Reagan and others.
We should start doing the same with other mentals who are clearly insane.
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It can be done if a judge is willing to declare a person criminally insane, which they are almost never willing to do. One doesn't have to be very smart to see that crazy is mainstream today.
You could forcibly ban all guns and do door-to-door confiscation and it wouldn't prevent any mass shootings. These heinous acts were not happening 60 years ago when kids were taking their new.22 to school for show-and-tell, or leaving their .20 gauge with the principal so they could shoot quail on the walk home after school. These crimes have nothing to do with guns! Blaming it on guns is just a lazy, low-resolution response intended to exculpate the real villain which is the culture we've created----no fathers in homes anymore, men entirely emasculated, the state acting as the new "father", boys growing up without a properly civilized man to show them what being a man actually means, moral relativism, cultural despair and on and on and on. We didn't have these crimes when we were watching Ozzy and Harriett on TV.
Did anybody ever find out why the Las Vegas shooter went Cuckoo?
Or who leaked the Roberts opinion?
I can’t speak to your first question. That investigation seemed to go nowhere and then faded away forever. Go figure.
Your second question, having no answers for culpability or guilty of the leak is beyond any understanding.
There is 9 justices with 4 clerks each, so a total of 36 possible suspects. They can’t question and run a lie detector on 36 individuals and get a sense of who is lying by now?
Sure, sure…There’s nothing going on here, but business as usual.
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You're mind-reading again.
We tend to have that problem…
Lol
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36 is NOT a big number. Fry em up on the lie detector and see what floats to the top. This is not rocket science and anybody paying attention knows it.
I figure the power structure elite don’t want their very Liberal Justice, who’s Clerk did the leaking being forced to face public scrutiny.
You couldn’t get the front door at the district I worked for without being buzzed in. That got you in the lobby. You had to have a working badge or key to get in the classroom areas. We had a police officer at every school also, two officers at junior highs and high schools. Every classroom had a locking door that would lock if school went to lockdown mode.
They have learned from previous well-publicized events (thank you, Media), that an easy way to get “recognized”, is to do something heinous, such as this.
Yes, he’s dead, now, but FUTURE actors will see how quickly he became famous by doing this, and try the same.
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
Easy solution. Get rid of laws that prevent the law abiding from carrying effective weapons. These lunatics love environments where regular folks are forced to be unarmed, and they avoid areas where they believe there are lots of armed good guys. It's really that simple.
Funny how these "laws" never prevent DC scum from having a 20 man entourage of bodyguards armed to the teeth.
Ok nobody wants to engage in meaningful debate, that's the problem in DC. I'm going to sign off for a bit, watch Anderson Cooper before This is Us series finale starts
The fact that you watch AC and "This is Us" proves you are part of the problem.
You could forcibly ban all guns and do door-to-door confiscation and it wouldn't prevent any mass shootings. These heinous acts were not happening 60 years ago when kids were taking their new.22 to school for show-and-tell, or leaving their .20 gauge with the principal so they could shoot quail on the walk home after school. These crimes have nothing to do with guns! Blaming it on guns is just a lazy, low-resolution response intended to exculpate the real villain which is the culture we've created----no fathers in homes anymore, men entirely emasculated, the state acting as the new "father", boys growing up without a properly civilized man to show them what being a man actually means, moral relativism, cultural despair and on and on and on. We didn't have these crimes when we were watching Ozzy and Harriett on TV.
totally agree .. when I was in high school you could bet almost every pickup in the parking lot had some kind of a gun in it. People we're still for the most part normal they wanted to grow up meet someone of the opposite sex have a family get a job dream of being highly successful. Those that were a little offbeat kept that to their self and their home life. Now we have the flaming f****that think they're special the ones that call their self a tranny and want to change their self. You got some that's going to save the seals and save the owls and the environment and that's kind of off the deep end. Then you've got the drug addicts. Of which most in both and all these groups have one parent in the home if they even have any parents in the home being raised by grandparents. Who all believe you should never spank a child and this is working out quite well. For a communist takeover. And of course the offbeat kids are going to get bullied some that is just the nature of people doesn't make it right but that does happen.
There’s something is missing about the shooter’s history. There are powerful drugs, like Quetiapine, with serious side effects. Before the Biden regime further dismantles the Constitution, we should learn what caused him to loose his mind.
All in the leftist camp are quick to bring up such incidents. But no one remembers the victims of the largest mass killing at a public school in American history. The Bath Michigan incident. Suppose it’s too dated and the perp used excessive dynamite!
All in the leftist camp are quick to bring up such incidents. But no one remembers the victims of the largest mass killing at a public school in American history. The Bath Michigan incident. Suppose it’s too dated and the perp used excessive dynamite!
All in the leftist camp are quick to bring up such incidents. But no one remembers the victims of the largest mass killing at a public school in American history. The Bath Michigan incident. Suppose it’s too dated and the perp used excessive dynamite!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but dynamite isn't as easy to get as it used to be. It might not be a good example to bring up.
"Harden the schools. Arm responsible people to stop this before it starts."
This kid should have been shot dead by a law abiding armed teacher or a law abiding armed staff member as soon as he entered the school. Teachers and staff have the natural right to defend themselves and their students whether somebody thinks they are responsible/qualified or not.
I know a Border Patrolman who works in that sector. I'll try to find out what he knows about this shooting.
School Board should be tried and convicted. They did as much to kill these kids as the gunman.
Every child should be given a firearm safety course. Every teacher (school employee) should be required to have firearms training and those that want to should be armed.
We are an armed society it's part of who we are, removing or more gun laws is not the answer, we're going about solving a problem ass-backward
If a teacher or school resource officer had engaged that prick early on and shot him in the face and the media shellacked a pic of him laying in the dirt like that, that would have gone a long way to stopping these evil psychos.
They don't want to have their face blown off. Just want to do it to somebody else..
All in the leftist camp are quick to bring up such incidents. But no one remembers the victims of the largest mass killing at a public school in American history. The Bath Michigan incident. Suppose it’s too dated and the perp used excessive dynamite!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but dynamite isn't as easy to get as it used to be. It might not be a good example to bring up.
Hell Squidge who needs dynamite anymore? Look at the JP Murrah bldg in OKC!
I have heard he shot out windows to get in and also heard the door was unlocked ? Lots of questions that need answers !
That's one of the problems with these type of "events" if you would all the news media and reporters want to be the first with the news and don't give a s*** about how accurate the news is.
All in the leftist camp are quick to bring up such incidents. But no one remembers the victims of the largest mass killing at a public school in American history. The Bath Michigan incident. Suppose it’s too dated and the perp used excessive dynamite!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but dynamite isn't as easy to get as it used to be. It might not be a good example to bring up.
Hell Squidge who needs dynamite anymore? Look at the JP Murrah bldg in OKC!
Just playing devils advocate. 😉
Very true, just pointing out that dynamite is heavily regulated now which is why it wasn't used in OKC. Evil people find ways around laws and regulations.
This is almost entirely on the schools. Schools promote LGBT along with grievance theory. They promote radical action against "injustice".
I partly blame their “zero tolerance” policy regarding fighting and self defense. When I was in school, this kid would have had his ass kicked on a regular basis until such time as he assimilated and behaved somewhat normally.
Differences between boys were settled with knuckles. We all had guns, knives, etc., but knew better than to use them on one another.
I partly blame their “zero tolerance” policy regarding fighting and self defense. When I was in school, this kid would have had his ass kicked on a regular basis until such time as he assimilated and behaved somewhat normally.
Nearly every one has stated that they want to beat the guys who came before. Stop releasing names. Stop giving them what they desperately seek. I know some will argue that we have a right to know, but there are many sealed records. Like the Maxwell/Epstein list of rapists and molesters.
Gregintenn: I received another picture (different picture) of the "alleged" murderer in a different scenario and a different dress. The friend who sent it to me is from Louisianna and declares the bedressed young man to be THE Texas school shooter! If true, the murderer was obviously mentally ill and not at all comfortable with his trannyism/perversions. Sad. Yet the demonrats will blame "the gun" and the "Republicans" not the parents, teachers and Doctors who did NOT deal with this miserable cretin correctly over the years. Abnormal is now the accepted NORMAL amongst way to many Americans (including demonrats, liberals, teachers, guilt ridden white people, professors, clergy, doctors and rinos)! Sad. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
What was that 1970s cop movie where the cop gets into a fight with a tranny in a men's bathroom, and is almost killed by the tranny, but finally killed him? Tranny was some kind of karate expert.
Anyway, that was how such folks were perceived then (i.e., the quintessence of twisted evil), and it's a shame that ever changed.
That scene seems to have been scrubbed from the internet, by the way, as I cannot find it, and I'm pretty good at formulating search term combos. Can't even find what movie it was in, and it was a major motion picture.
This is almost entirely on the schools. Schools promote LGBT along with grievance theory. They promote radical action against "injustice".
I partly blame their “zero tolerance” policy regarding fighting and self defense. When I was in school, this kid would have had his ass kicked on a regular basis until such time as he assimilated and behaved somewhat normally.
Differences between boys were settled with knuckles. We all had guns, knives, etc., but knew better than to use them on one another.
So he would have been bullied until he conformed? I'm not sure that is a preferred situation either. GD
How much would people be willing to pay in tax increase to build every school in the US into a semi-prison like building? High walls around entire campus. Bulletproof glass, doors.. hell even walls.
And pay the extra 10-20 armed guards guarding each school. Gotta be a federal tax so every school is entitled to the same amount of funding...
How much would people be willing to pay in tax increase to build every school in the US into a semi-prison like building? High walls around entire campus. Bulletproof glass, doors.. hell even walls.
And pay the extra 10-20 armed guards guarding each school. Gotta be a federal tax so every school is entitled to the same amount of funding...
Wonder how much that would cost.
The actual cost would not be as bad as the extra that would be charged to us for the skimming MFs in our government. Remember, ten percent for the big guy.
How much would people be willing to pay in tax increase to build every school in the US into a semi-prison like building? High walls around entire campus. Bulletproof glass, doors.. hell even walls.
And pay the extra 10-20 armed guards guarding each school. Gotta be a federal tax so every school is entitled to the same amount of funding...
Wonder how much that would cost.
Now NorthBitch is concerned about tax dollar spending.
When I pulled up to the school I had to park in an area that was a good walk to the main gate of the school. Cameras everywhere and several armed guards at the gate, which could only be opened up from inside a guard post (hardened), where there was at least another armed guard. These guards were soldiers who used to serve in combat units and they were outfitted accordingly.
I was impressed that they had several layers of security and if anyone tried to assault the school and was able to take out the outside guards, the ones on the inside would obviously see and hear it and shut down the entire facility before engaging the terrorists. Pretty much the only way to get through to the kids would be to roll up in a tank.
It would be totally unfeasible, as well as being monetarily impossible, to do that to American high schools which can cover several acres of land when including all of the outdoor athletic facilities.
I bet it would be easier and less costly than trying to round up every semi-auto weapon in the country, which seems to be the Dems' solution.
40 Billion to Ukraine....f*ck that....I do not know the logistics, but send some billions to the states to fortify schools like what Remsen said..
It's not the federal government's job to solve every social problem, especially if they caused it in the first place. The problem is fatherless boys. Leftism is primarily responsible for that and you can't fix that problem by simply hardening schools.
Bull f*cking pu$$y....somebody, I do not give a schiet who, send some of the Ukrainian billions to the US schools.
Harden the schools and they'll just shoot up the mall. Fix the root of the problem which is mass fatherlessness and the war on men and boys.
Let's set priorities....and I am sorry for cussing....but I was very sad and tearful last evening....I still say to give some Ukraine dollars to US School...
Priority #1......Harden the schools by providing several layers of security...see Remson's experience in Israel..we need to STOP KILLINGS of children NOW.
Priority #2....Lets now focus on the Fatherless Boys issue..
Priority #3....vote the leftist out forever.
I'm sure there are other ideas better than mine....
I don't see the fortification of schools as being a good thing either. We will never know exactly what happened nor the order in which events unfolded so it is difficult to make a lot of sense of it. It appears that law enforcement engaged with the shooter after he wrecked his pickup (no driver's licence BTW) and before he approached the school; yet, none of the law enforcement types thought to safeguard the school? Every door should have been blocked. Many people seem to be supporting the idea of increased surveillance around public buildings and an increased security presence. To me, that is a little unpalatable as well. Ultimately the divisiveness which is sown by the mainstream media and by politicians, on both sides of the aisle, has found fertile ground and American society is more divided than any time since the civil war. The news and entertainment media is doing it's best to keep racial tensions alive and, judging by the vitriol on the 24HCF, that is working well too. GD
I want to do something, I want these school shootings to stop. Not being evasive, I don't have answers. But I think all of us have probably had a thought or two at some point on something that could make this better. Keeps guns out of Tranny hands, or far right crazys or whatever label you want to put on the perpetrators, doesn't matter to me, it's equal opportunity as far as I see it. As soon as you go on a forum like this and give hint of gun control, doesn't matter how big your arsenal is or how much you donate to the NRA, you're a lefty, a troll, a plant, a non christian, whatever. Just sling as much mud as possible. But I think we as gun owners we need to be part of the solution and to stick our heads in the sand and say the system is what it is, acceptable losses, is not good.
Hey dipshit, "Tranny hands"? Why would you capitalize the word tranny? I thought you loved them and letting them shoot up a school is just fine with you leftist POS as long as it forwards your gun control agenda. You idiots have opened Pandora's box and there is no putting this kind of thing back in said box. This is what you get when you destroy the family and go around screaming bigot and racist constantly.
I want to do something, I want these school shootings to stop. Not being evasive, I don't have answers. But I think all of us have probably had a thought or two at some point on something that could make this better. Keeps guns out of Tranny hands, or far right crazys or whatever label you want to put on the perpetrators, doesn't matter to me, it's equal opportunity as far as I see it. As soon as you go on a forum like this and give hint of gun control, doesn't matter how big your arsenal is or how much you donate to the NRA, you're a lefty, a troll, a plant, a non christian, whatever. Just sling as much mud as possible. But I think we as gun owners we need to be part of the solution and to stick our heads in the sand and say the system is what it is, acceptable losses, is not good.
You want to help. Volunteer your days as an armed security guard at your local elementary school.
That way, you will not be infringing on my constitutional rights.
I don't see the fortification of schools as being a good thing either. We will never know exactly what happened nor the order in which events unfolded so it is difficult to make a lot of sense of it. It appears that law enforcement engaged with the shooter after he wrecked his pickup (no driver's licence BTW) and before he approached the school; yet, none of the law enforcement types thought to safeguard the school? Every door should have been blocked. Many people seem to be supporting the idea of increased surveillance around public buildings and an increased security presence. To me, that is a little unpalatable as well. Ultimately the divisiveness which is sown by the mainstream media and by politicians, on both sides of the aisle, has found fertile ground and American society is more divided than any time since the civil war. The news and entertainment media is doing it's best to keep racial tensions alive and, judging by the vitriol on the 24HCF, that is working well too. GD
When I was in High school we had an armory and a gun range, M14's that could easily be made ready to fire, Target rifles that were ready to fire. The ROTC Commandant carried a 1911. We had an office in the school the police kept open. Why was this school in Uvalde unprotected?
Gotta drive that narrative. Why? There is panic in DC. They know the legal (real) POTUS is coming back to the WH and are going to throw everything they can to upset the Presidents plan.
WHO is recommending masking and vaxes. When the monkey pox came through 20 years ago it killed none in America. The left is showing pics of monkey pox that are really herpes and shingles. Why? They are going to push the mail in ballots.
Look for anarchy this summer and fall to make voters stay home. They are desperate. I'm looking for a FF "Cop shoots unarmed Bleck man" to start the George Soros Ukranian origin Antifa riots again.
They are desperate.
Say what? The pukes know George Floyd was not cop shot. Got to push the narrative though.
I don't see the fortification of schools as being a good thing either. We will never know exactly what happened nor the order in which events unfolded so it is difficult to make a lot of sense of it. It appears that law enforcement engaged with the shooter after he wrecked his pickup (no driver's licence BTW) and before he approached the school; yet, none of the law enforcement types thought to safeguard the school? Every door should have been blocked. Many people seem to be supporting the idea of increased surveillance around public buildings and an increased security presence. To me, that is a little unpalatable as well. Ultimately the divisiveness which is sown by the mainstream media and by politicians, on both sides of the aisle, has found fertile ground and American society is more divided than any time since the civil war. The news and entertainment media is doing it's best to keep racial tensions alive and, judging by the vitriol on the 24HCF, that is working well too. GD
When I was in High school we had an armory and a gun range, M14's that could easily be made ready to fire, Target rifles that were ready to fire. The ROTC Commandant carried a 1911. We had an office in the school the police kept open. Why was this school in Uvalde unprotected?
Schools should have limited controlled access at the start of the day and then restricted to one entry during the day and with the perimeter of the buildings being fenced.
The School Board and Members should be sued for not doing enough to protect the children with whom that state has entrusted them (for the most part against their will since - no vouchers to use at private schools). If you're going to have a SRO he should be armed and some of the teachers should be as well. Disarming all of us is not going stop any lunatics. Being able to shoot their ass will help to stop the spread of it. And start frying some of the bastards committing these crimes.
School districts when they receive extra money. They don’t spend it on the schools or teachers. They hire another asst. superintendent. They are just like our government. Just smaller. Hasbeen
Sane people don’t do these deeds. Wife works with the worst of them in the school. She can see their eyes are empty. They have no feeling. True sociopaths and psychopaths. She can get them admitted only for a few days and only if they are a threat to themselves. They need to be institutionalized and heavily medicated.
We closed most of those facilities in the 80s and 90s. Let the cops deal with them. And if they’re bad enough, the prisons. Well that model clearly isn’t working.
Yes, agreed and well said...I believe the people that do the shooting are either, evil, mentally ill, or evil and mentally ill....
Gotta drive that narrative. Why? There is panic in DC. They know the legal (real) POTUS is coming back to the WH and are going to throw everything they can to upset the Presidents plan.
WHO is recommending masking and vaxes. When the monkey pox came through 20 years ago it killed none in America. The left is showing pics of monkey pox that are really herpes and shingles. Why? They are going to push the mail in ballots.
Look for anarchy this summer and fall to make voters stay home. They are desperate. I'm looking for a FF "Cop shoots unarmed Bleck man" to start the George Soros Ukranian origin Antifa riots again.
They are desperate.
Say what? The pukes know George Floyd was not cop shot. Got to push the narrative though.
It's really disgusting when the leftists use a tragedy like this to push a political agenda.
This is almost entirely on the schools. Schools promote LGBT along with grievance theory. They promote radical action against "injustice".
I partly blame their “zero tolerance” policy regarding fighting and self defense. When I was in school, this kid would have had his ass kicked on a regular basis until such time as he assimilated and behaved somewhat normally.
Differences between boys were settled with knuckles. We all had guns, knives, etc., but knew better than to use them on one another.
So he would have been bullied until he conformed? I'm not sure that is a preferred situation either. GD
Ok. Then you’ll continue to get what you’re getting now.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
Anyone notice the similarity between this mass shooter and the last? Both leftists, both 18, both used AR15 variants.
I predicted mass shootings with Defense Rifles when the election was stolen. They have an agenda, and black rifles in the hands of civilians is definitely not part of it. But when I suggested that this stuff is orchestrated, I was labeled a crackpot. 7mm
I agree with Smokepole. It is ironic, and very sad, that those who despise the left for politicizing terrible events are now spouting their own political bile.
For God's sake, the kids just recently assumed room temperature. Shouldn't we be praying for the survivors and families of the victims?
This is almost entirely on the schools. Schools promote LGBT along with grievance theory. They promote radical action against "injustice".
I partly blame their “zero tolerance” policy regarding fighting and self defense. When I was in school, this kid would have had his ass kicked on a regular basis until such time as he assimilated and behaved somewhat normally.
Differences between boys were settled with knuckles. We all had guns, knives, etc., but knew better than to use them on one another.
So he would have been bullied until he conformed? I'm not sure that is a preferred situation either. GD
Ok. Then you’ll continue to get what you’re getting now.
I kind of it as needing to go a different direction actually.
It's okay to be weird and different. The kids don't have to be bullied for it.
The Zero Tolerance policy actually protects the bullies. Before that policy came to be, the bullying was self limiting.
The kid getting picked on could stand up for himself and shut it down instead of letting the pressure build and build and build until someone snapped.
No there is no consequences.
These fugging kids are relentless these days. They would just as soon tell each other to kill themselves than say hello.
I want to do something, I want these school shootings to stop. Not being evasive, I don't have answers. But I think all of us have probably had a thought or two at some point on something that could make this better. Keeps guns out of Tranny hands, or far right crazys or whatever label you want to put on the perpetrators, doesn't matter to me, it's equal opportunity as far as I see it. As soon as you go on a forum like this and give hint of gun control, doesn't matter how big your arsenal is or how much you donate to the NRA, you're a lefty, a troll, a plant, a non christian, whatever. Just sling as much mud as possible. But I think we as gun owners we need to be part of the solution and to stick our heads in the sand and say the system is what it is, acceptable losses, is not good.
You want to do something? Load up all of your guns, drive to the nearest river bridge, and throw them into the channel. No one will ever be shot with them. Wouldn’t that make the world a safer place?
What I’d like to see is a law that makes shooting people a crime. That would definitely solve the problem, right?
If murder laws do not prevent murder, what the hell makes people think more laws would help?
Jackson Handy: I don't know exactly. But I think law abiding gun owners can come up with solutions better than non gun owning, very powerful, congressman and senators. SO be on the right side of this. That's what I believe.
So it's you who don't want to engage. "I don't know" is a hell of an idea.
Parents need to be parents first off. Secondly we need more nut houses so these psychos aren't free to roam. Third, get these libtard judges and D.A.'s out to actually keep offenders locked up.
Fourth, how in God's name is an exterior door to an elementary school unsecured?
Fifth put them blame for these incidents at the offenders feet. Not mine, not yours, or anyone else. I will not tolerate being punished for another's evil deeds.
Common sense gun control and red flag laws would suit him just fine.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
There's a whole thread about father figures on here recently.
The goodness of those father figures varies to a large extent from a really OK dude to a really violent bastid.
Something besides a father figure in the home might have been a reason why those of us who had one shading toward the latter version in my previous sentence didn't take the readily available firearms to school or some other public venue to start slaughtering others.
The father figure in the home might be a part of the issue, but methinks there's something else going on too.
Have there been suggestions of a sally port arrangement at schools? Seems like only one entrance and several secure (not glass) exit only doors would help. I know a sally port sort of makes it seem like a jail but it would help. And an exit door could be opened to let a shooter in if he had an ally on the inside but it would help. The best thing would be to go back to nut house mental institutions. The constitution does not say you cannot lock up a crazy. As per the 5th Amendment there just has to be due process of law which I would suppose means there needs to be a legal process based in laws written for that purpose and the right to have a judge rule on it.
All that said, nutty people doing nutty things isn't going to stop. I dealt with a crazy neighbor for 2+ decades before the sheriff finally came out and killed him. It's a wonder he didn't kill me after the first restraining order. He narrowly missed the sheriff with a load of 12 gauge buckshot. And guess what, he was 50 years old living with his mommy and she was egging him on. The sheriff killed her too.
To me this shooting is a mental Heath issue. We have the Democrats who can’t tell the difference between and girl and a boy trying to figure out a solution. The problem is they can’t recognize a mental illness problem. Obviously one that can’t tell the difference has a mental health issue. Hasbeen
Anyone watching the presser by Texas Gov , ? Beto just created a scene and got escorted from the room
I’d like to see a video of that. POS Gay Beto is the same kinda perv that the Shooter was. Only difference is he’s got money.
Somebody should have tripped Beto and let Gov Abbott run over that POS multiple times with his Wheelchair. Guaranteed that ole Hot Wheels will kick the schitt out of Gay Beto on Election Day. Only way Abbott loses is if the DemoRat’s figure out how to steal the TX State Election.
Anyone watching the presser by Texas Gov , ? Beto just created a scene and got escorted from the room
I’d like to see a video of that. POS Gay Beto is the same kinda perv that the Shooter was. Only difference is he’s got money.
Somebody should have tripped Beto and let Gov Abbott run over that POS multiple times with his Wheelchair. Guaranteed that ole Hot Wheels will kick the schitt out of Gay Beto on Election Day. Only way Abbott loses is if the DemoRat’s figure out how to steal the TX State Election.
They are still live. You can go back on the live video and see the idiot, and the disruption.
Anyone watching the presser by Texas Gov , ? Beto just created a scene and got escorted from the room
Yes.
He was met with hostility for interrupting the press conference and politicizing the incident.
What an idiot.
Yep. Fuggin POS DemoRat’s like Gay Beto just love a Tragedy so they can get in the spotlight. There’s never been a bigger POS than Beto running for TX Governor. And that’s saying a lot since we had to put up with the Lesbian Alcoholic Fat Ugly Ass Lying POS Ann Richards.
Her not letting TX vote in having a Concealed Carry Law have George Bush the Office. He’s not far behind Ann Richards as a Lying Politician either. But at least he got us a CHL / LTC Law and signed it into Law.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
It is the issue. Damn near every mass school shooter has been from a fatherless home. There has been (and still is) a massive war against men and boys in this country that is the primary driver behind these damaged and disaffected young men attempting to get attention for themselves by committing mass murder but no one wants to acknowledge that this is the real source if the problem. Kids were taking guns to school for show-and-tell 60 years ago and everyone had an M1 carbine in their closet and no one was doing mass shootings back then. What has changed? We've destroyed the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. We've driven fathers from the home and millions of boys have grown up (and are growing up) without the civilizing effects of good fathers. There are lots and lots of programs and preferences for girls in society and the school system but boys are continually marginalized, as are men (we're part of the damned and evil patriarchy remember?). Mass school shootings are a symptom of a societal disease---the destruction of the family with a father at the head and the constant marginalization and putting down of men and boys. Leftism brought us this. Warren Farrel has it pegged.
Just heard Betoz interruption as played on the Clay and Buck show. Sounded like the crowds reaction to him might require him an escort to get out of town.
These fugging kids are relentless these days. They would just as soon tell each other to kill themselves than say hello.
Yep, no escape 24/7, everything said about a kid, every image, every video broadcast to the whole world, at least it feels that way.
Parents taking away their Cell Phones and Computers would probably solve a lot of problems. But that’ll never happen. Hell, if they did do that, and took away their Video Games, half the kids would probably kill them self’s. They all think they can’t live without it.
Most of the kids I see nowadays that are HS aged are fat, lazy, and have probably never spent a day of their life’s playing outside. Much less hunting, or fishing. I blame most of that on Parenting. Or lack of. They give them phones, computers, TV’s and Video Games as a form of babysitting, so the selfish idiot “parents” don’t have to deal with them. Sad state of affairs.
Anyone watching the presser by Texas Gov , ? Beto just created a scene and got escorted from the room
I’d like to see a video of that. POS Gay Beto is the same kinda perv that the Shooter was. Only difference is he’s got money.
Somebody should have tripped Beto and let Gov Abbott run over that POS multiple times with his Wheelchair. Guaranteed that ole Hot Wheels will kick the schitt out of Gay Beto on Election Day. Only way Abbott loses is if the DemoRat’s figure out how to steal the TX State Election.
They are still live. You can go back on the live video and see the idiot, and the disruption.
The shooter had to walk 400 feet after crashing his truck (quite an impact it appears & airbags deployed) to get in the nearest door to the school. Just a face full of airbag would've been enough to discombobulate most folks, not to mention whatever effects from vehicle impact. But still managed to walk a minimum of 400 feet to start the whole deal. Looks like from recent imagery the school had installed a new driveway near where the truck crashed. Prior to this, the school showed to be fenced and gated with a sign on the nearest gate stating, visitors must get a pass from the office.
Lots of what if's. What if the new drive wasn't there, what if a SRO would've been in the office 400 feet away to witness the crash and shooter exit vehicle with firearms....
This is something I wanted to post here before I forget it. I posted this on ARFCOM: Social pressure and religion kept a lot of people in check. Since Roe v Wade the self imposed restrictions on taking away innocent life has melted away. For those who do not believe in heaven or hell there is no fear of the "next life". Throw in absentee fathers or addicted mothers, untreated mental health issues and violent video games you have what you see now. It was just a matter of time. I think all of this was intentional by the political left "because guns are evil and they must all go away".
I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21.
Just to throw one other variable into the mix. In 1982 we had a local paper boy kidnapped in the Des Moines metro. He was never seen again. 2 years to the month there was a 2nd paper boy kidnapped and he was never seen again. After the first kidnapping the morning paper boys were almost non existent. It took several months but eventually the paper boys returned. After the 2nd kidnapping the morning paper boys completely disappeared. Mostly retired adults took the job over.
The same issue with kids walking to school. After the first paper boy disappeared not many kids walked to school. Thier parents took them to school. After the 2nd paper boy disappeared, no kids walked to school. The parents insisted that their children be dropped off at the front door of the school house. That continues today. Very few kids walk to school almost 40 years later.
The risk of losing a child to a kidnapper was just too unbearable to stand and parents made sure the kids got into the school building and they would block traffic just to make sure their child got inside. Now we have the armed intruders. The parents are going to insist that something be done. Gun control is probably going to be one of them. Now would be the time for voluntary steps by gun companies to make sure the new owner is not an 18 year old and still has a connection to the local school district. I realize that would not have stopped the Buffalo shooter but this would be voluntary by the gun makers.
This is something I wanted to post here before I forget it. I posted this on ARFCOM: Social pressure and religion kept a lot of people in check. Since Roe v Wade the self imposed restrictions on taking away innocent life has melted away. For those who do not believe in heaven or hell there is no fear of the "next life". Throw in absentee fathers or addicted mothers, untreated mental health issues and violent video games you have what you see now. It was just a matter of time. I think all of this was intentional by the political left "because guns are evil and they must all go away".
I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21.
If that's the case, we should make sure they can't vote until they are 21 or join the military. Hell, they already can't buy a beer and most places tobacco.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
There's a whole thread about father figures on here recently.
The goodness of those father figures varies to a large extent from a really OK dude to a really violent bastid.
Something besides a father figure in the home might have been a reason why those of us who had one shading toward the latter version in my previous sentence didn't take the readily available firearms to school or some other public venue to start slaughtering others.
The father figure in the home might be a part of the issue, but methinks there's something else going on too.
When folks say well if they had a father figure in their life, they turn out to be good kids. I shake my head how many are raised in a home with violent parent(s). Some kids will push through and go on to live a good decent life while other/majority will fail become addicts either drug or alcohol in most cases both. When treatment or alternative methods are mentioned to be taught in school like teaching kids to be resilient and overcome obstacles in a positive manner it’s met by ah that’s bull chit. Just spank them or back to the ol if they had a father figure to teach them to be a man blah blah. No mention from the crowd here about the kid in upstate New York and his family he had a mother and father still shot up a store. Or how about Ethan Crumbley parents In Michigan. We have a mental health crisis. Every state is critically short mental health providers.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
There's a whole thread about father figures on here recently.
The goodness of those father figures varies to a large extent from a really OK dude to a really violent bastid.
Something besides a father figure in the home might have been a reason why those of us who had one shading toward the latter version in my previous sentence didn't take the readily available firearms to school or some other public venue to start slaughtering others.
The father figure in the home might be a part of the issue, but methinks there's something else going on too.
When folks say well if they had a father figure in their life, they turn out to be good kids. I shake my head how many are raised in a home with violent parent(s). Some kids will push through and go on to live a good decent life while other/majority will fail become addicts either drug or alcohol in most cases both. When treatment or alternative methods are mentioned to be taught in school like teaching kids to be resilient and overcome obstacles in a positive manner it’s met by ah that’s bull chit. Just spank them or back to the ol if they had a father figure to teach them to be a man blah blah. No mention from the crowd here about the kid in upstate New York and his family he had a mother and father still shot up a store. Or how about Ethan Crumbley parents In Michigan. We have a mental health crisis. Every state is critically short mental health providers.
Lotta truth in what you say. I know in my case it seemed like most of the other guys around had issues similar to mine, but we "worked thru" them without knowing that's what we were doing. Seemed like most kids had a pretty "strict" father.
Bullying? I guess we all bullied each other, some to a slightly greater extent than others. Jeez, I was tied up by my ankles to a T bar clothesline with my head barely reaching the ground for what seemed like an hour until my buddy's mom came home and found me out back. She didn't seem to perplexed, just kid scheidt I guess.
A good number of us ended up partying a bit too much at times, some died because of it, others matured their way out in one way or another. But, there was plenty of guns in unlocked closets by the door, and ammo on a shelf we all could reach, and .22s going on HS archaeology digs with us and I don't recall one gun ever being brought to our HS. (which just so happened to have the third highest number of HS drug busts in the State one year, so drugs might not be the problem either)
Not sure what the answer is, but since the closing of the majority of mental institutions (Thanks Ronny Raygun) a lot more loonies might be out there raising kids, and with budget cuts and such, as you say there is a substantial shortfall of providers, for kids and adults.
Or how many parents take little Johnny or Suzy to see a mental health provider after one visit the parents deem their little sweetheart is cured. Or how many parent get to the hospital and the dr says their kid overdosed and they are detoxing and they need counseling. But the parent say no they are detoxed they are fine.. 5 months later kid strung out on whatever landed them in the ER the first time. Majority of parents are in denial that they are chitty parents and don’t want to be told they are. So first opportunity they run from the counseling that could help their kid(s).
You know all of those liberals displaying their Ukraine flags. They were happy for US gun makers to send guns to Ukraine so its citizens could defend themselves from a hostile Russia.
News reports are saying the murderer got access to the school through an unlocked outside access door to an empty half of a classroom area. The classroom area being divided in half by a folding screen (prob’ly attached to the ceiling) that could be slid away to use the whole area at once.
That access door may have been unlocked/propped open for convenience or may have simply failed to close properly the last time it was opened (custodians usually check that access doors are locked at the end of the day).
Several hundred kids in that school, the murder confined to one classroom. The emergency school lockdown procedures (cleared hallways, locked doors, no inside windows) may have otherwise worked well.
Where are all his fellow high school classmates saying he was either a good dude or he was ph ucking crazy. It also sounds like he was raised by his grandmother? Nothing about his parents. They still in Mexico? A lot of unanswered questions.
Where are all his fellow high school classmates saying he was either a good dude or he was ph ucking crazy. It also sounds like he was raised by his grandmother? Nothing about his parents. They still in Mexico? A lot of unanswered questions.
Grandmother raised that little c unt. all that time to get shot by him.
Cryin shame. Along with the kids, of course.
Should have caught one in the eye socket as soon as he came in the door with a rifle. POS.
The country accepts these things. Why as a society we tolerate child molesters and murders is beyond reprehensible. Judges let them out and then they are out their doing this [bleep] again. If we didn’t tolerate those crimes and wiped those people from the population it would save future victims and be a huge deterrent to acting in such ways.
I know crazy people do crazy stuff, but I can’t wrap my head around targeting of little kids and teachers. There has to be someone else that has pissed these guys off, someone else that they think has wronged them, or “deserves this.” Why always schools and usually little kids….
There are no rational answers for this. It just becomes more political fodder for one side or the other. Slowly crush the normal people in the name of safety and security, but solve nothing.
But, I don’t know how to stop this kind of thing, maybe it’s unstoppable and just part of something we have to accept from time to time. Or we reach a point where we remove rights based on what we “think” people “might” do. What a world that will be when your politicians thousands of miles away, far removed from the real world, get to decide that. Or worse, just your political opponent making the decision.
The handlers of these MKUltra subjects make little kids the targets to intensify the public's demand for more gun control and more intrusive government.
The handlers of these MKUltra subjects make little kids the targets to intensify the public's demand for more gun control and more intrusive government.
I don’t doubt or a second that the same evil people who unleashed Covid, wrecked the economy and stole the election would hesitate to sacrifice some kids to advance their agenda. But I’m a freakin crackpot for saying this. By the time people figure out what’s happening behind the smoke and mirrors, it’s already too late. We should have stopped it at the stole election. It’s well past pitchforks and torches. 7mm
They don't lack of funds, they lack of guidance, they lack of having anyone in their lives that GAF.
Nikolas Cruz that shot up the Parkland school had better than $20K in the bank, he'd worked at Dollar Tree as a cashier for years.
He bought and paid for his guns himself and he had quite a few. He wasn't into drugs or alcohol. Just like this kid, he sat on his azz at home and played video games.
Wendy's starts out employees at 12 to 15 bucks an hour. Don't take long to save a few grand if you have nothing else to spend it on.
The handlers of these MKUltra subjects make little kids the targets to intensify the public's demand for more gun control and more intrusive government.
The handlers of these MKUltra subjects make little kids the targets to intensify the public's demand for more gun control and more intrusive government.
I don’t doubt or a second that the same evil people who unleashed Covid, wrecked the economy and stole the election would hesitate to sacrifice some kids to advance their agenda. But I’m a freakin crackpot for saying this. By the time people figure out what’s happening behind the smoke and mirrors, it’s already too late. We should have stopped it at the stole election. It’s well past pitchforks and torches. 7mm
We should have stopped it when JFK got taken out because he wasnt going to grease the MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL Complex wheels with a war in Nam and he was going to audit the Bolshevik Federal Reserve Bank and he was going to "blow the CIA into a thousand pieces for the wind to blow away", and he said we didnt need govt people in secret societies (like the Bush's Skull and Crossbones Society).
Wasnt Reagan going to audit the Fed until he got the little lead message?
This is something I wanted to post here before I forget it. I posted this on ARFCOM: Social pressure and religion kept a lot of people in check. Since Roe v Wade the self imposed restrictions on taking away innocent life has melted away. For those who do not believe in heaven or hell there is no fear of the "next life". Throw in absentee fathers or addicted mothers, untreated mental health issues and violent video games you have what you see now. It was just a matter of time. I think all of this was intentional by the political left "because guns are evil and they must all go away".
I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21.
Just to throw one other variable into the mix. In 1982 we had a local paper boy kidnapped in the Des Moines metro. He was never seen again. 2 years to the month there was a 2nd paper boy kidnapped and he was never seen again. After the first kidnapping the morning paper boys were almost non existent. It took several months but eventually the paper boys returned. After the 2nd kidnapping the morning paper boys completely disappeared. Mostly retired adults took the job over.
The same issue with kids walking to school. After the first paper boy disappeared not many kids walked to school. Thier parents took them to school. After the 2nd paper boy disappeared, no kids walked to school. The parents insisted that their children be dropped off at the front door of the school house. That continues today. Very few kids walk to school almost 40 years later.
The risk of losing a child to a kidnapper was just too unbearable to stand and parents made sure the kids got into the school building and they would block traffic just to make sure their child got inside. Now we have the armed intruders. The parents are going to insist that something be done. Gun control is probably going to be one of them. Now would be the time for voluntary steps by gun companies to make sure the new owner is not an 18 year old and still has a connection to the local school district. I realize that would not have stopped the Buffalo shooter but this would be voluntary by the gun makers.
kwg
The first time any manufacturer attempts to go beyond gov't mandated restrictions in an attempt to prevent 18 year old adults exercising their 2'nd Amendment rights will be the day I sign onto a boycott.of that company and dump any of their products I presently own.
Apparently, he had like $6,000.00 worth of gear on him, all top notch. Didn't he work at Wendy's or something? I didn't know they paid so well.
Proly saved his stimulus money
I'm guessing he turned 18, got a credit card, went shopping.
what bank gave him that kind of credit line. My 22yr old working for 3 yrs the bank up here approved her for cc with a $500 limit. Then again a lot of fly by outfits give cc to anyone.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
There's a whole thread about father figures on here recently.
The goodness of those father figures varies to a large extent from a really OK dude to a really violent bastid.
Something besides a father figure in the home might have been a reason why those of us who had one shading toward the latter version in my previous sentence didn't take the readily available firearms to school or some other public venue to start slaughtering others.
The father figure in the home might be a part of the issue, but methinks there's something else going on too.
When folks say well if they had a father figure in their life, they turn out to be good kids. I shake my head how many are raised in a home with violent parent(s). Some kids will push through and go on to live a good decent life while other/majority will fail become addicts either drug or alcohol in most cases both. When treatment or alternative methods are mentioned to be taught in school like teaching kids to be resilient and overcome obstacles in a positive manner it’s met by ah that’s bull chit. Just spank them or back to the ol if they had a father figure to teach them to be a man blah blah. No mention from the crowd here about the kid in upstate New York and his family he had a mother and father still shot up a store. Or how about Ethan Crumbley parents In Michigan. We have a mental health crisis. Every state is critically short mental health providers.
Sometimes, even a bad example is better than no example.
This is something I wanted to post here before I forget it. I posted this on ARFCOM: Social pressure and religion kept a lot of people in check. Since Roe v Wade the self imposed restrictions on taking away innocent life has melted away. For those who do not believe in heaven or hell there is no fear of the "next life". Throw in absentee fathers or addicted mothers, untreated mental health issues and violent video games you have what you see now. It was just a matter of time. I think all of this was intentional by the political left "because guns are evil and they must all go away".
I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21.
Just to throw one other variable into the mix. In 1982 we had a local paper boy kidnapped in the Des Moines metro. He was never seen again. 2 years to the month there was a 2nd paper boy kidnapped and he was never seen again. After the first kidnapping the morning paper boys were almost non existent. It took several months but eventually the paper boys returned. After the 2nd kidnapping the morning paper boys completely disappeared. Mostly retired adults took the job over.
The same issue with kids walking to school. After the first paper boy disappeared not many kids walked to school. Thier parents took them to school. After the 2nd paper boy disappeared, no kids walked to school. The parents insisted that their children be dropped off at the front door of the school house. That continues today. Very few kids walk to school almost 40 years later.
The risk of losing a child to a kidnapper was just too unbearable to stand and parents made sure the kids got into the school building and they would block traffic just to make sure their child got inside. Now we have the armed intruders. The parents are going to insist that something be done. Gun control is probably going to be one of them. Now would be the time for voluntary steps by gun companies to make sure the new owner is not an 18 year old and still has a connection to the local school district. I realize that would not have stopped the Buffalo shooter but this would be voluntary by the gun makers.
kwg
The first time any manufacturer attempts to go beyond gov't mandated restrictions in an attempt to prevent 18 year old adults exercising their 2'nd Amendment rights will be the day I sign onto a boycott.of that company and dump any of their products I presently own.
As an adult over 18 that is your right. They are your dollars and you can spend them any way you like. Keep in mind the I think Congress is going to take it out of our hands. It would be nice if they raised the voting age at the same time.
KWG020 - " ... I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21. ..."
How would that work?? The firearms manufacturers do not sell retail. They are in the wholesale business, usually dealing through middle men who then sell to gun stores. The manufacturers would have no way of forcing the retailers to deny selling semi-auto guns to 18 years old young men and women.
Unless, of course, the manufacturers told all gun shops in America they would have to verify the ages of all buyers of semi-auto firearms and then send those verifications to the manufacturers' home offices' for their approval of the sales, before a semi-auto firearm could be delivered to the purchaser. (That would also have to apply to people who have tables at gun shows.)
Think that might work to prevent some deranged kid from committing mass murder??
This is something I wanted to post here before I forget it. I posted this on ARFCOM: Social pressure and religion kept a lot of people in check. Since Roe v Wade the self imposed restrictions on taking away innocent life has melted away. For those who do not believe in heaven or hell there is no fear of the "next life". Throw in absentee fathers or addicted mothers, untreated mental health issues and violent video games you have what you see now. It was just a matter of time. I think all of this was intentional by the political left "because guns are evil and they must all go away".
I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21.
Just to throw one other variable into the mix. In 1982 we had a local paper boy kidnapped in the Des Moines metro. He was never seen again. 2 years to the month there was a 2nd paper boy kidnapped and he was never seen again. After the first kidnapping the morning paper boys were almost non existent. It took several months but eventually the paper boys returned. After the 2nd kidnapping the morning paper boys completely disappeared. Mostly retired adults took the job over.
The same issue with kids walking to school. After the first paper boy disappeared not many kids walked to school. Thier parents took them to school. After the 2nd paper boy disappeared, no kids walked to school. The parents insisted that their children be dropped off at the front door of the school house. That continues today. Very few kids walk to school almost 40 years later.
The risk of losing a child to a kidnapper was just too unbearable to stand and parents made sure the kids got into the school building and they would block traffic just to make sure their child got inside. Now we have the armed intruders. The parents are going to insist that something be done. Gun control is probably going to be one of them. Now would be the time for voluntary steps by gun companies to make sure the new owner is not an 18 year old and still has a connection to the local school district. I realize that would not have stopped the Buffalo shooter but this would be voluntary by the gun makers.
kwg
The first time any manufacturer attempts to go beyond gov't mandated restrictions in an attempt to prevent 18 year old adults exercising their 2'nd Amendment rights will be the day I sign onto a boycott.of that company and dump any of their products I presently own.
As an adult over 18 that is your right. They are your dollars and you can spend them any way you like. Keep in mind the I think Congress is going to take it out of our hands. It would be nice if they raised the voting age at the same time.
kwg
Raise age allowed in military at the same time??
Cans send an 18 year old off to die but they cannot vote?
Kind of what pusses me off about handgun possession age. Have to be 21 but can die in a foreign country at 18.
The worse part of this shooting is right now some deranged person is thinking 19 and 2? I can do better than that. Think of the attention I will get. Lack of religion? Lack of parental supervision? Lacking the ability to socialize with friends because they are so wrapped up with their IPhones, computer, etc?
In Waukesha the black guy wanted to kill whites but his choice of weapon was a vehicle. In a free society of 300+ million people there are going to be a significant number of people who are criminally insane. The best way to stop them is to be alert, prepared and accurate with your fire.
Again, it ain't the gun. A deranged psycopath could kill as many or more simply by driving a car or pickup through the playvround at recess in any one of several million elementary schools in the nation.
In Waukesha the black guy wanted to kill whites but his choice of weapon was a vehicle. In a free society of 300+ million people there are going to be a significant number of people who are criminally insane. The best way to stop them is to be alert, prepared and accurate with your fire.
Ain’t that the truth. Only problem is we as Americans need drama.
Was this kid spoiled? Newer truck and cash to buy two AR's? High School Dropout? Where did he get the money? One fugged up little punk.
His family (mother) was poor, it's one of the reasons he was bullied at school. He had a job and made his own money.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house.
I got my doubts about “bullied for cross-dressing”, nowadays among the smartphone youth that could earn the guy hero status.
Whatever everything else was, the guy was just nuts.
News reports again the guy had worked fast food full time since February, prob’ly enough to buy his weapons. Grandfather said the 18yo didn’t have a driver’s license, not unusual around here if you didn’t have a vehicle as a teenager.
Shooter reportedly drove the grandmother’s truck to the scene.
One story going around here is that the exemplary Uvalde high school seniors visit the elementary schools this time of year as an example to the kids, this being why the shooter chose this particular time.
Was this kid spoiled? Newer truck and cash to buy two AR's? High School Dropout? Where did he get the money? One fugged up little punk.
His family (mother) was poor, it's one of the reasons he was bullied at school. He had a job and made his own money.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house.
News reports again the shooter had worked fast food full time since February, prob’ly enough to buy his weapons. Grandfather said the 18yo shooter didn’t have a driver’s license, not unusual around here if you didn’t have a vehicle as a teenager.
Shooter reportedly drove the grandmother’s truck to the scene.
One story going around here is that the exemplary Uvalde high school seniors visit the elementary schools this time of year as an example to the kids, this being why the shooter chose this particular time.
but he was engaged outside of the building by an SRO, who was shot. the kid dropped his duffel bag containing extra magazines. one way to mitigate these things is access control to the building
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Democrats have created the conditions and encouraged lawless behavior. They benefit from the mayhem they help create. They refuse to police lawlessness. They let criminals go free and punish anyone that tries to stop them. Pelosi is an atheist but revel’s in taking communion in defiance of religion.
Maybe school security officers need to be military? We have military all over the planet, why not assign some to guarding schools. Fight terrorism right here at home on our own soil instead of somewhere we're not appreciated.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
but he was engaged outside of the building by an SRO, who was shot. the kid dropped his duffel bag containing extra magazines. one way to mitigate these things is access control to the building
A news story had it that the killer gained access via an outside door to an empty classroom. That door would have been confirmed locked by the custodial staff every evening, meaning it was left unlocked or slightly open that school day either for convenience or by oversight.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Maybe school security officers need to be military? We have military all over the planet, why not assign some to guarding schools. Fight terrorism right here at home on our own soil instead of somewhere we're not appreciated.
We need them to fight Little Kim in S Korea and patronize whores in Germany.
Maybe school security officers need to be military? We have military all over the planet, why not assign some to guarding schools. Fight terrorism right here at home on our own soil instead of somewhere we're not appreciated.
Then shouldn't we have military guarding my house? Are you saying I'm less important? Should they guard malls? Grocery stores? 7/11? Where do we stop?
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Lots of kids were bullied growing up. When I was younger I had short hair during a time when long hair was fashionable and that was enough for me to be singled out and bullied. My dad taught me how to fight and how to be ruthless when fighting. He said that when I’ve had enough then it’s up to me to set them straight, he was right. I became an unbeaten street fighter that by high school had a reputation as someone not to mess with. The rich kid high school football captain outweighed me by 75 pounds that day that he decided to mess with me. We walked off school property and he turned around when I started swinging. Billy took 3 punches as he fell and knowing that he outweighed me by a big margin I wasn’t stopping until he was unconscious. I was 15 (he was 18) but I was in a rage and I pulverized his face until he was unrecognizable. I’d have killed him if 3 teachers didn’t pull me off of him because the entire student body was watching dumbfounded but wouldn’t touch me afraid of what I might do.
From that moment on my life was completely different. Two days later the JV and varsity basketball team had their long hair shaved as a tribute to me, David beating Goliath. It was an amazing experience and one of those experiences that literally changes your life. I got suspended for 3 days but dad demanded that I serve my suspension from home. The principal asked dad why he wanted me to serve the time at home. Dad replied and I’ll never forget his words….”I’m taking my son for lunch and then he has the next 3 days to sleep in, go to the beach and think about how the next time some ass hole picks a fight with him he could fight more effectively and send the next son of a bitch that tries that to the hospital….the only issue I have with my son is that he didn’t put him in the hospital”
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Lots of kids were bullied growing up. When I was younger I had short hair during a time when long hair was fashionable and that was enough for me to be singled out and bullied. My dad taught me how to fight and how to be ruthless when fighting. He said that when I’ve had enough then it’s up to me to set them straight, he was right. I became an unbeaten street fighter that by high school had a reputation as someone not to mess with. The rich kid high school football captain outweighed me by 75 pounds that day that he decided to mess with me. We walked off school property and he turned around when I started swinging. Billy took 3 punches as he fell and knowing that he outweighed me by a big margin I wasn’t stopping until he was unconscious. I was 15 (he was 18) but I was in a rage and I pulverized his face until he was unrecognizable. I’d have killed him if 3 teachers didn’t pull me off of him because the entire student body was watching dumbfounded but wouldn’t touch me afraid of what I might do.
From that moment on my life was completely different. Two days later the JV and varsity basketball team had their long hair shaved as a tribute to me, David beating Goliath. It was an amazing experience and one of those experiences that literally changes your life. I got suspended for 3 days but dad demanded that I serve my suspension from home. The principal asked dad why he wanted me to serve the time at home. Dad replied and I’ll never forget his words….”I’m taking my son for lunch and then he has the next 3 days to sleep in, go to the beach and think about how the next time some [bleep] picks a fight with him he could fight more effectively and send the next son of a bitch that tries that to the hospital….the only issue I have with my son is that he didn’t put him in the hospital”
but he was engaged outside of the building by an SRO, who was shot. the kid dropped his duffel bag containing extra magazines. one way to mitigate these things is access control to the building
A news story had it that the killer gained access via an outside door to an empty classroom. That door would have been confirmed locked by the custodial staff every evening, meaning it was left unlocked or slightly open that school day either for convenience or by oversight.
In the building that I was an SRO in, we had at least 6 doors in various parts of the building that were unlocked pretty much all day. Those that were supposed to be locked were always left slightly ajar so kids could come and go. It was a real headache to try and keep them closed and monitored. That building is still in use. All the doors are supposed to be locked except the ones to the front office but I really find it hard to believe they are locked 100% of the time.
The other side of the story is this building was built in the early 1970's. But, I think it's safe to say unlocked doors are always an issue in the older buildings. The new buildings have fewer doors. Remember that the next time there is a bond issue for a new building.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
Dunno, but the grandfather self-identified as a felon on camera and said he didn’t know the guns were in the house. I’m inclined to believe him.
The grandparents’ lives are totally turned upside down now, ruined in that town, deserved or not.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
Bullying doesn't affect everyone to the same extent, plus we really don't how much he was actually bullied. Some people are simply not wired as strongly mentally and don't come out okay from it. It doesn't have to come from other kids either, it can come right from your own family. Sometimes having bad parents is worse than having none. This boys parents both had criminal records. Poor and trashy family, article says bullying started over a lisp and stuttering and kept up from there, dropped out of school, etc., etc. Read the article it tells a whole lot more, much better than I can. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...l-gunman-brawled-repeatedly-school.html. The guy went off the deep end yes but there was some help kicking the ladder out from under him over the years.
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
Im not the only one but I do have some experience in a school environment with poor kids in South Texas with druggie and/or absent parents living with a grandparent or grandparents, likewise with poor LBGTQ kids.
Reportedly this bullied kid also rode around shooting people at random with BB guns, and went to parks with boxing gloves. Two accounts from friends say they kept their distance as he went increasingly loopy.
Bullying doesn't affect everyone to the same extent, plus we really don't how much he was actually bullied. Some people are simply not wired as strongly mentally and don't come out okay from it. It doesn't have to come from other kids either, it can come right from your own family. Sometimes having bad parents is worse than having none. This boys parents both had criminal records. Poor and trashy family, article says bullying started over a lisp and stuttering and kept up from there, dropped out of school, etc., etc. Read the article it tells a whole lot more, much better than I can. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...l-gunman-brawled-repeatedly-school.html. The guy went off the deep end yes but there was some help kicking the ladder out from under him over the years.
Yes, in short, the freak was going to trip offline eventually. Hopefully the word freak doesn't cause you to kill your mailman, as I don't know how words affect you.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
Want to get away from bullying? Try to act more normal and graduate, move the fugg away from the azzholes and start over.
Got shiddy parents? Graduate and move out.
Nobody said itd be easy if youve got such shiddy circumstances. No excuse to do horrible things to others.
You can say that, and others here can say that, from Your point of view. Your brain wasn't in his body. Hell I was bullied a lot too until I outgrew most of my classmates and they got scared of [bleep] with me. But we're not like him mentally. It is possible that he could still have turned out to be a child butcher even with an ideal family, no bullying, no lisp, no stutter, no whatever. But it sure didn't HELP anything if he is as he is being described.
The vast majority of people with shiity parents end up just like them. Some beat the odds and better themselves.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
I posted a link for a reason
So ??? The Link you posted didn’t say a damn thing about what the Grandfather was convicted of. A simple “I don’t know “ would have sufficed.
but he was engaged outside of the building by an SRO, who was shot. the kid dropped his duffel bag containing extra magazines. one way to mitigate these things is access control to the building
A news story had it that the killer gained access via an outside door to an empty classroom. That door would have been confirmed locked by the custodial staff every evening, meaning it was left unlocked or slightly open that school day either for convenience or by oversight.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
I posted a link for a reason
So ??? The Link you posted didn’t say a damn thing about what the Grandfather was convicted of. A simple “I don’t know “ would have sufficed.
I'm not your Google bitch.
You can't tell me as a Texan living in Texas you don't know how to look up a Texas felons record in Texas?
Do you just use the internet to come here as make asinine posts all day.
And for that matter you've proven time and time again that you're a legendary, notorious racist here.
Why are you even pretending to GAF about some Hispanic killing a bunch of Hispanics?
My childhood kinda sucked. But even then I knew it was temporary. Just do the work and move on.
Looking in from the outside, near as I can tell there was nothing that unusual about how bad that guy’s life sucked relative to lots of other people. I’m not claiming expertise but I’ve known a bunch, so have many other people..
After 6 years as an SRO I have seen many a kid leave the building upset and pissed off. 99% of the time it was because he or she did not want to "do school" or at least make an effort to integrate into the school. Yes, we had bullies and [bleep] but most of the time the kids were mad at the staff or administrators forcing them to "do school" when they didn't want to "do school". Many left with trespass notice and a demand they had to call back and talk to a principal before they could come back into the building. ( I would gladly hook them up)
I'm sure this kid caught some hell especially if he was showing trans tendencies. The bottom line is this kid was mad at the school district for some reason and he took it out on some 4th graders. My philosophy was to get them gone as soon as they could legally drop out of school. The longer we kept them against their will the more pissed off they were. At the time the legal age to drop out was 16. Now it's 18. There is NO reason to keep a kid in the building that has a bad attitude and poisons the atmosphere for the rest of the kids.
For some reason this kids anger festered until he was dangerous. Only the people close to him should/could of seen this IF they knew what the signs were. Trying to fix a broken kid after he is 15 or 16 is rarely successful unless you are a dedicated parent or guardian and give it some undivided attention. The fix should of been in long before that. Where was his father ? What was mom doing that she didn't see he was having issues ? It sounds like grandma was trying to get some answers and he shot her for her efforts. The damage had been done and it was too late.
There is no doubt he was very unhappy about something. We probably will never know what that something was. He took it with him when he died. Something like that guy that shot up Las Vegas. There was never a motive identified. I'd say he took that with him when he committed suicide. Does it really matter at this stage of the game ? His heart was full of hate and there was no stopping him.
After 6 years as an SRO I have seen many a kid leave the building upset and pissed off. 99% of the time it was because he or she did not want to "do school" or at least make an effort to integrate into the school. Yes, we had bullies and [bleep] but most of the time the kids were mad at the staff or administrators forcing them to "do school" when they didn't want to "do school". Many left with trespass notice and a demand they had to call back and talk to a principal before they could come back into the building. ( I would gladly hook them up)
I'm sure this kid caught some hell especially if he was showing trans tendencies. The bottom line is this kid was mad at the school district for some reason and he took it out on some 4th graders. My philosophy was to get them gone as soon as they could legally drop out of school. The longer we kept them against their will the more pissed off they were. At the time the legal age to drop out was 16. Now it's 18. There is NO reason to keep a kid in the building that has a bad attitude and poisons the atmosphere for the rest of the kids.
For some reason this kids anger festered until he was dangerous. Only the people close to him should/could of seen this IF they knew what the signs were. Trying to fix a broken kid after he is 15 or 16 is rarely successful unless you are a dedicated parent or guardian and give it some undivided attention. The fix should of been in long before that. Where was his father ? What was mom doing that she didn't see he was having issues ? It sounds like grandma was trying to get some answers and he shot her for her efforts. The damage had been done and it was too late.
There is no doubt he was very unhappy about something. We probably will never know what that something was. He took it with him when he died. Something like that guy that shot up Las Vegas. There was never a motive identified. I'd say he took that with him when he committed suicide. Does it really matter at this stage of the game ? His heart was full of hate and there was no stopping him.
kwg
I’m guessing the Vegas Shooter was dead before the shooting ever started. They’ve buried that story.
After 6 years as an SRO I have seen many a kid leave the building upset and pissed off. 99% of the time it was because he or she did not want to "do school" or at least make an effort to integrate into the school. Yes, we had bullies and [bleep] but most of the time the kids were mad at the staff or administrators forcing them to "do school" when they didn't want to "do school". Many left with trespass notice and a demand they had to call back and talk to a principal before they could come back into the building. ( I would gladly hook them up)
I'm sure this kid caught some hell especially if he was showing trans tendencies. The bottom line is this kid was mad at the school district for some reason and he took it out on some 4th graders. My philosophy was to get them gone as soon as they could legally drop out of school. The longer we kept them against their will the more pissed off they were. At the time the legal age to drop out was 16. Now it's 18. There is NO reason to keep a kid in the building that has a bad attitude and poisons the atmosphere for the rest of the kids.
For some reason this kids anger festered until he was dangerous. Only the people close to him should/could of seen this IF they knew what the signs were. Trying to fix a broken kid after he is 15 or 16 is rarely successful unless you are a dedicated parent or guardian and give it some undivided attention. The fix should of been in long before that. Where was his father ? What was mom doing that she didn't see he was having issues ? It sounds like grandma was trying to get some answers and he shot her for her efforts. The damage had been done and it was too late.
There is no doubt he was very unhappy about something. We probably will never know what that something was. He took it with him when he died. Something like that guy that shot up Las Vegas. There was never a motive identified. I'd say he took that with him when he committed suicide. Does it really matter at this stage of the game ? His heart was full of hate and there was no stopping him.
kwg
Back in the old days they dropped out and started an auto repair shop or went to prison.
If they didnt want to be in school they school didn't try to keep em.
Now kids push things to the max. My ol lady taught at a HS for a while. Too many kids and their parents are just trash.
But they gotta keep em in so long to get the gov money. " Seat date ".
Public school hasnt been about education for a long time.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
I posted a link for a reason
So ??? The Link you posted didn’t say a damn thing about what the Grandfather was convicted of. A simple “I don’t know “ would have sufficed.
I'm not your Google bitch.
You can't tell me as a Texan living in Texas you don't know how to look up a Texas felons record in Texas?
Do you just use the internet to come here as make asinine posts all day.
And for that matter you've proven time and time again that you're a legendary, notorious racist here.
Why are you even pretending to GAF about some Hispanic killing a bunch of Hispanics?
GFY
Poor little butt hurt bitch. I’ve got several Life Long Hispanic friends. Good Family folks all. I’m guessing they’ve got way more class and balls than your pathetic whiny ass. And they all hate Fuqking wetbacks just as much as I do.
Not to mention way more Campfire Friends That I’ve actually been hunting and fishing with, traded guns with, and shared a meal with. Run along now before some more mean tweets / posts make you cry. Fuggin Loser 😂😂😂
And there is the liberal, apologetic that nurtured him
You know nothing about me. All I know about him came from the article. All I know about you comes from what you've written. So far you appear to be a bully, one of the newer kind, an internet bully.
It is never okay to bully or pick on any child for any reason. Deformities and handicaps don't have to be visible to exist. Tormenting another person for sport is evil. So many on here professing to be so religious yet so few condemning it.
My childhood kinda sucked. But even then I knew it was temporary. Just do the work and move on.
Looking in from the outside, near as I can tell there was nothing that unusual about how bad that guy’s life sucked relative to lots of other people. I’m not claiming expertise but I’ve known a bunch, so have many other people..
Ain’t a one killed a bunch of children yet
Yep. Some folks look for any reason or person to blame for thinking their life sucks. Usually the Psychopaths and Sociopaths. Most of us man up and do something about it instead of whining about it or shooting someone. Sounds like the kid was the product of druggies and criminal parents, with no parenting skills whatsoever. Not to mention morals or values.
I grew up with some kids that their parents were druggies & alcoholics. Some of them ended up just like their parents, and some of them succeeded and made something of themselves. Everyone has choices, and choices have consequences. The whiners and the ones that blame everyone else for their problems can choose to be a POS or not. Those usually choose the former. Doesn’t give them a right to murder folks just because Life Sucks. Or because your parents suck.
Sure he had piss poor parents with no parenting skills. Still no excuse for what he did. He chose to be a cowardly murderer. Too bad he didn’t choose to blow his brains out instead. Hope he’s enjoying Hell now.
Ain’t buying the “bullied because he was poor” angle, at least half the kids in that town are poor. From news reports his grandparents own their own house and the shooter’s druggie mother’s house. .
OK, So maybe the kids interviewed by the media that made that claim were telling lies.
BTW, His grandfather is a felon so the guns were illegally in his home.
What was the Grandfather convicted of ??? First I’ve heard of that.
I posted a link for a reason
So ??? The Link you posted didn’t say a damn thing about what the Grandfather was convicted of. A simple “I don’t know “ would have sufficed.
I'm not your Google bitch.
You can't tell me as a Texan living in Texas you don't know how to look up a Texas felons record in Texas?
Do you just use the internet to come here as make asinine posts all day.
And for that matter you've proven time and time again that you're a legendary, notorious racist here.
Why are you even pretending to GAF about some Hispanic killing a bunch of Hispanics?
Most likely he got bullied because he was a psychopath, rather than he's a psychopath because he got bullied.
Could be either way, all we'll ever know is what we're told by the news, unless somebody who posts here just happens to live near there and know personally about the situation.
What race are Hispanics? Aren't many Hispanics Mestizos, part Spanish (or Portuguese) and part native American peoples? I know not all, depending on heredity. Is Hispanic considered Caucasian in the United States? Maybe I'm confusing Latino and Hispanic.
What race are Hispanics? Aren't many Hispanics Mestizos, part Spanish (or Portuguese) and part native American peoples? I know not all, depending on heredity. Is Hispanic considered Caucasian in the United States? Maybe I'm confusing Latino and Hispanic.
Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. You can be Latino and Hispanic. You can also be Latino, but not Hispanic. For example a Brazilian is Latino, but not Hispanic because they normally speak Portuguese. My wife is from Peru and she would be considered a Latina and Hispanic because she speaks Spanish and is from a Latin American country. A Spaniard can be considered Hispanic, but not Latino. Someone from Portugal wouldn't normally be considered either.
Hispanics and/or Latinos can be Caucasian, Asian, or Negroid also. I guess they could also be Australoid, but I have never met or seen one.
What race are Hispanics? Aren't many Hispanics Mestizos, part Spanish (or Portuguese) and part native American peoples? I know not all, depending on heredity. Is Hispanic considered Caucasian in the United States? Maybe I'm confusing Latino and Hispanic.
Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. You can be Latino and Hispanic. You can also be Latino, but not Hispanic. For example a Brazilian is Latino, but not Hispanic because they normally speak Portuguese. My wife is from Peru and she would be considered a Latina and Hispanic because she speaks Spanish and is from a Latin American country. A Spaniard can be considered Hispanic, but not Latino. Someone from Portugal wouldn't normally be considered either.
Hispanics and/or Latinos can be Caucasian, Asian, or Negroid also. I guess they could also be Australoid, but I have never met or seen one.
One thing in this whole tragedy that has me wondering and strikes me curious: Why was the first LEO on the scene Border Patrol? He ended the threat once he made contact. That BP agent saved a bunch innocent lives.
The thing about this type of evil, unnecessary and misplaced violence is that our rational minds can’t make sense of it. I certainly can’t! I don’t know what precipitates the notion in the mind of the deranged that killing innocent children is an acceptable or necessary expression of one’s unhappiness. It’s so unreal and so beyond our understanding that we cannot make sense of that level of evil. We attempt to use logic and reasoning trying to understand what causes someone to do the unthinkable but logic and reasoning have no presence in the face of such evil.
For us to fight amongst ourselves over the opinions and hypotheticals of what causes evil to do evil does nobody any good. At times like this those of us that are of the mindset that we’d do everything including lay down our lives to stop scumbags like him should be re-dedicating our attention to training and perfecting our theoretical scenarios in our minds….. and praying that we are never faced with that level of irrational evil.
Sheepdogs should be uniting, not nipping at one another’s heels.
What race are Hispanics? Aren't many Hispanics Mestizos, part Spanish (or Portuguese) and part native American peoples? I know not all, depending on heredity. Is Hispanic considered Caucasian in the United States? Maybe I'm confusing Latino and Hispanic.
The check-the-box categories are
WHITE - HISPANIC and WHITE -NOT HISPANIC
Most every South Texas Hispanic family will swear up and down that there was a Spanish grandfather in the mix. Ergo even tho they may look like a bunch of Apaches, they will almost invariably check WHITE - HISPANIC.
Actually Ancestry.com somewhat bears them out, generally South Texas Hispanics turn out to be about 2/3 Indian and 1/3 Iberian.
A sad heritage from the Indio side is the widespread prevalence of Adult Onset Type 2 Diabetes.
Thanks Longbob. I had forgotten about the Portuguese involvement in South American history. Always tend to think of things south of the United States as Spanish Spanish Spanish. Even them ol' nasty Brits got involved too. Although they often just waited on the gold to sail out to them and then took it, lol.
Having watched the news today I was struck by how grossly obese the Mexican men and women were. The number of extremely fat…sloppy fat Mexican men was shocking to me.
If you are carrying an extra 100-200 pounds of fat around on a daily basis then irregardless of what box you check or what ethnicity you claim you are an ideal candidate for type 2 diabetes.
If you eat crap, drink corn syrup drinks and grow sedentary and obese then don’t be surprised if you develop diabetes, hypertension and a myriad of other issues. It ain’t your heritage that’s killing you it’s your lifestyle.
Thanks Longbob. I had forgotten about the Portuguese involvement in South American history. Always tend to think of things south of the United States as Spanish Spanish Spanish. Even them ol' nasty Brits got involved too. Although they often just waited on the gold to sail out to them and then took it, lol.
No problem. None of this was on my radar until I got married to a Peruvian then it all began to make sense. Most of the bad words she would call me took me a while to figure out. Why oh why didn't I take Spanish in school. Dammit.
Having watched the news today I was struck by how grossly obese the Mexican men and women were. The number of extremely fat…sloppy fat Mexican men was shocking to me.
If you are carrying an extra 100-200 pounds of fat around on a daily basis then irregardless of what box you check or what ethnicity you claim you are an ideal candidate for type 2 diabetes.
If you eat crap, drink corn syrup drinks and grow sedentary and obese then don’t be surprised if you develop diabetes, hypertension and a myriad of other issues. It ain’t your heritage that’s killing you it’s your lifestyle.
It’s all them tortillas and refried beans. But seriously, it seems to be hereditary. All my Hispanic friends have fat wife’s. The diabetes seems to come from their Native American lineage. I’m sure diet plays a big part in it, though, causing the diabetes to onset at an earlier age.
Even all the concrete pouring crews of wetbacks that you see doing 95% of the concrete work here in TX are all fat. You know pouring concrete for a living in the hot TX sun all day would surely qualify ad plenty of exercise.
And all the Wets I see shopping in the Grocery Stores are short fat women with a passel of fat kids. Hereditary + Diet I guess. The only skinny Wets I see are usually shriveled up old men that look like they spent a lifetime of picking cotton or yard work.
Lots of good info here too, if you wade through all the Bullschitt.
What makes the Campfire great is self moderation. Rick rarely gets involved. Only thing I wish he’d do is remove the real trolls. Those DU Fuqks That come here just to push their Commie Narrative. Probably on Soros Payroll. They serve no useful purpose other than a whipping post for bored Campfire Members. Guess post count = $$$ so Rick’s evidently good with that. The other useless Multiple Sock Puppet Trolls like Happy Cramper and NoElkSlayer usually get beat into submission and fade away eventually. Being Psychotic Narcissists, though, they LOVE to see their drivel posted on the Internet, evidently. Probably the only life they got. Kinda like Steelhead. Every time Rick plays whack a mole with his latest Sock Puppet he just reappears as a new drunken asswhole under another name.
Lots of little butt hurt little whiny bitches on here would LOVE to be the Moderator though.
That’s why some of us refer to the General Forum as The Freak Show. 🤪🤪🤪
Flour tortillas kill more Mexicans than cigarettes and driving drunk.
Diabetes.
Almost all 100 lb 18 year old girls will be 240+ lbs at age 40.
All of these
Turn into these
Proof God has a sense of humor.
And the ones who stay slim turn into bitches.
God loves a good laugh.
I don’t know about that Doc. Piss poor driving wetbacks probably kill more than drunk driving wetbacks. Those little roadside crosses you see all over TX nowadays, can be seen all over the Nation. Probably at least 30 Million of them here now. If you see a wreck nowadays, chances are a no driving wetback was involved.
Flour tortillas kill more Mexicans than cigarettes and driving drunk.
Diabetes.
Almost all 100 lb 18 year old girls will be 240+ lbs at age 40.
All of these
Turn into these
Proof God has a sense of humor.
And the ones who stay slim turn into bitches.
God loves a good laugh.
I don’t know about that Doc. Piss poor driving wetbacks probably kill more than drunk driving wetbacks. Those little roadside crosses you see all over TX nowadays, can be seen all over the Nation. Probably at least 30 Million of them here now. If you see a wreck nowadays, chances are a no driving wetback was involve.
I'm sure you probably meant to add driving the wrong way in a one way highway lane with a snoot full of modelos, most likely at night with the headlights off
I was just charging channels And accidentally landed on that POS Jimmy Kimball. Any Guesses to what he’s talking about ???
He’s doing the fake crying schitt talking about the Uvalde Shooting and blaming it, of course, on Gov Abbott & “Assault Weapons”. Never once mentioned the murdering Psycho. It’s all the guns & Republicans fault, of course. Typical Libertard Lies & “Logic” And never let a Tragedy go to waste. Perfect opportunity to blame Guns & Conservatives. 😡
I’d pay big money to kick the living schitt out of that Lying Libertard Hypocritical POS. 😡
I realized in high school near Corpus Christi which was 30% Hispanic at the time, 90% of car crashes involved a Mexican. 75% involved 2 autos driven by Mexicans.
Problem now is, Mexicans on welfare live in $300,000 houses and claim no visible source of income and the uneducated high school drop out with 5 kids drives a F250.
They can kill your ass.
They kick the hubby making $150 a year in the oilfield out for a few days when WeFair notifies them they are coming for a WeFair check.
The dimocommies vote buying plan in action.
Gayghost, Suckawhore, Jell0, JiminTenn and Twerker approve.
Flour tortillas kill more Mexicans than cigarettes and driving drunk.
Diabetes.
Almost all 100 lb 18 year old girls will be 240+ lbs at age 40.
All of these
Turn into these
Proof God has a sense of humor.
And the ones who stay slim turn into bitches.
God loves a good laugh.
I don’t know about that Doc. Piss poor driving wetbacks probably kill more than drunk driving wetbacks. Those little roadside crosses you see all over TX nowadays, can be seen all over the Nation. Probably at least 30 Million of them here now. If you see a wreck nowadays, chances are a no driving wetback was involve.
I'm sure you probably meant to add driving the wrong way in a one way highway lane with a snoot full of modelos, most likely at night with the headlights off
I was driving down the FM road at 70 yesterday and had one pull out right in front of me going 25 mph right at dark. No lights. No signal. And she gave me the evil eye when I honked and flipped her fat ass the Bird. Lucky for her it’s illegal to shoot them for driving while stupid. And, of course, if you run into them, No Insurance or Drivers License. 😡😡😡
I realized in high school near Corpus Christi which was 30% Hispanic at the time, 90% of car crashes involved a Mexican. 75% involved 2 autos driven by Mexicans.
Problem now is, Mexicans on welfare live in $300,000 houses and claim no visible source of income and the uneducated high school drop out with 5 kids drives a F250.
They can kill your ass.
They kick the hubby making $150 a year in the oilfield out for a few days when WeFair notifies them they are coming for a WeFair check.
The dimocommies vote buying plan in action.
Gayghost, Suckawhore, Jell0, JiminTenn and Twerker approve.
PREZACTLY. See em every time I go to the Grocery Store. Fat assed women with5 fat assed kids. Talking Spanish on their new Govt Free Iphone, Driving a near new F/350 or Chevy 2500, bed full of concrete tools, and of course, paying with a EBT Card. Those fuqkers are eating better thanwe are on that EBT Card OUR Tax Dollars payed for. 😡
Semi related- do the border jumper women in anybody's area throw stuff in the grocery store. To be more clear, when in the produce section, do the female border jumpers pick through the piles of vegetables and literally throw their rejects away from them? The border jumper women here sure do. Besides the spandex too-small pants with the fat rolls poking every which way, that's one of the signs of an illegal border jumping woman. I'd never seen any of that before the proliferation of border jumpers in this area. They'll literally pick through a box of onions or avocados or whatever and throw whatever they don't want away from them. I've seen a couple of them on opposite sides of a vegetable display get in a near brawl over one hitting the other with a guava or avocado or whatever it was
My childhood kinda sucked. But even then I knew it was temporary. Just do the work and move on.
Looking in from the outside, near as I can tell there was nothing that unusual about how bad that guy’s life sucked relative to lots of other people. I’m not claiming expertise but I’ve known a bunch, so have many other people..
My childhood kinda sucked. But even then I knew it was temporary. Just do the work and move on.
Looking in from the outside, near as I can tell there was nothing that unusual about how bad that guy’s life sucked relative to lots of other people. I’m not claiming expertise but I’ve known a bunch, so have many other people..
Ain’t a one killed a bunch of children yet
He wanted to die and be notorious going out.
Originally Posted by Phillip_Nesmith
What race are Hispanics? Aren't many Hispanics Mestizos, part Spanish (or Portuguese) and part native American peoples? I know not all, depending on heredity. Is Hispanic considered Caucasian in the United States? Maybe I'm confusing Latino and Hispanic.
Hell yeah good ol 24 hour never lets me down.. 19 kids dead 2 school teachers, 1 grandma. It’s turned into let’s bash the Mexicans. They are fat, obese, weigh 300lbs. Jesus half you ph ucks couldn’t run a 100yds without passing out..
I realized in high school near Corpus Christi which was 30% Hispanic at the time, 90% of car crashes involved a Mexican. 75% involved 2 autos driven by Mexicans.
Problem now is, Mexicans on welfare live in $300,000 houses and claim no visible source of income and the uneducated high school drop out with 5 kids drives a F250.
They can kill your ass.
They kick the hubby making $150 a year in the oilfield out for a few days when WeFair notifies them they are coming for a WeFair check.
The dimocommies vote buying plan in action.
Gayghost, Suckawhore, Jell0, JiminTenn and Twerker approve.
PREZACTLY. See em every time I go to the Grocery Store. Fat assed women with5 fat assed kids. Talking Spanish on their new Govt Free Iphone, Driving a near new F/350 or Chevy 2500, bed full of concrete tools, and of course, paying with a EBT Card. Those fuqkers are eating better thanwe are on that EBT Card OUR Tax Dollars payed for. 😡
Well it’s a good thing he took out them 19 kids. So you can sleep better tonight. You are a ph ucking idiot..
I realized in high school near Corpus Christi which was 30% Hispanic at the time, 90% of car crashes involved a Mexican. 75% involved 2 autos driven by Mexicans.
Problem now is, Mexicans on welfare live in $300,000 houses and claim no visible source of income and the uneducated high school drop out with 5 kids drives a F250.
They can kill your ass.
They kick the hubby making $150 a year in the oilfield out for a few days when WeFair notifies them they are coming for a WeFair check.
The dimocommies vote buying plan in action.
Gayghost, Suckawhore, Jell0, JiminTenn and Twerker approve.
Ph ucking Eyeball… why did Ric ban you under that name again? Oh yeah we’re posting off the wall chit..
Having watched the news today I was struck by how grossly obese the Mexican men and women were. The number of extremely fat…sloppy fat Mexican men was shocking to me.
If you are carrying an extra 100-200 pounds of fat around on a daily basis then irregardless of what box you check or what ethnicity you claim you are an ideal candidate for type 2 diabetes.
If you eat crap, drink corn syrup drinks and grow sedentary and obese then don’t be surprised if you develop diabetes, hypertension and a myriad of other issues. It ain’t your heritage that’s killing you it’s your lifestyle.
Remember that time went on that rant about Mormons oh man. But I bet some went off on a tangent about Asians you have a ph ucking aneurysm.
Having watched the news today I was struck by how grossly obese the Mexican men and women were. The number of extremely fat…sloppy fat Mexican men was shocking to me.
If you are carrying an extra 100-200 pounds of fat around on a daily basis then irregardless of what box you check or what ethnicity you claim you are an ideal candidate for type 2 diabetes.
If you eat crap, drink corn syrup drinks and grow sedentary and obese then don’t be surprised if you develop diabetes, hypertension and a myriad of other issues. It ain’t your heritage that’s killing you it’s your lifestyle.
Remember that time went on that rant about Mormons oh man. But I bet some went off on a tangent about Asians you have a ph ucking aneurysm.
Having watched the news today I was struck by how grossly obese the Mexican men and women were. The number of extremely fat…sloppy fat Mexican men was shocking to me.
If you are carrying an extra 100-200 pounds of fat around on a daily basis then irregardless of what box you check or what ethnicity you claim you are an ideal candidate for type 2 diabetes.
If you eat crap, drink corn syrup drinks and grow sedentary and obese then don’t be surprised if you develop diabetes, hypertension and a myriad of other issues. It ain’t your heritage that’s killing you it’s your lifestyle.
Remember that time went on that rant about Mormons oh man. But I bet some went off on a tangent about Asians you have a ph ucking aneurysm.
Try sobering up and then try English, champ.
A brain might help. Sounds like he killed all his “smart cells”. 🤪
I realized in high school near Corpus Christi which was 30% Hispanic at the time, 90% of car crashes involved a Mexican. 75% involved 2 autos driven by Mexicans.
Problem now is, Mexicans on welfare live in $300,000 houses and claim no visible source of income and the uneducated high school drop out with 5 kids drives a F250.
They can kill your ass.
They kick the hubby making $150 a year in the oilfield out for a few days when WeFair notifies them they are coming for a WeFair check.
The dimocommies vote buying plan in action.
Gayghost, Suckawhore, Jell0, JiminTenn and Twerker approve.
PREZACTLY. See em every time I go to the Grocery Store. Fat assed women with5 fat assed kids. Talking Spanish on their new Govt Free Iphone, Driving a near new F/350 or Chevy 2500, bed full of concrete tools, and of course, paying with a EBT Card. Those fuqkers are eating better thanwe are on that EBT Card OUR Tax Dollars payed for. 😡
Well it’s a good thing he took out them 19 kids. So you can sleep better tonight. You are a ph ucking idiot..
Sounds like your drunken idiotic dumbass is the one that needs some sleep. Being as how your good with the Murder of 19 innocent children & 2 school teachers. 🤪
Bet you’re an Eggspurt on Wetbacks, too, being as there’s so many of them in Alaska. 🤪 Lucky for your dumbass they can’t swim the Ocean to Alaska or get past the Canadian Border Guards or Mounties to overrun your great State. Not to mention that they hate the cold. And apparently, you must have missed the part of my other post about my life long Hispanic friends I grew up with. That hate fuqking Wetbacks as much as I do.
Carry on Eggspurt, you don’t need my help making a fool of yourself. You’re doing a fine job all by your lonesome.
Where are the videos of the side door? Who left the door unlocked? Where are the 14,000 hrs of Jan 6 Capitol riot videos, Epstein videos, his buds cells videos who committed suicide in Europe.
After Columbine the rules were form a 2 man contact team and GO IN !! We trained in it and we were to use the first 2 officers who arrived regardless of departments. We all did the same training with the same goals in mind, regardless of the department. Someone forgot the rules.
Was the mentally unstable puke really not on meds or tx?
Very suspicious this happens and Schumer has his gun bill ready just before Trump is to speak at the Houston NRA CONVENTION. There are no coincidences. All we are missing here is the No 14.
Was the mentally unstable puke really not on meds or tx?
Very suspicious this happens and Schumer has his gun bill ready just before Trump is to speak at the Houston NRA CONVENTION. There are no coincidences. All we are missing here is the No 14.
The BP agent had no chain of command there. The local cops had a chain of command and it appears they were waiting for the "word" to go in from someone. The BP agent just went in like he was supposed to since he did not have to go by the Uvalde P.D.s orders. That is my take on it. Like I said, my training was to team up with the first officer and go in.
KWG, there was a generally accepted policy change made in law enforcement after one of the big initial school massacres where the two boys went in with guns and killed many and the cops waited outside for a long time as kids were systematically murdered that the best policy was to immediately go after the attacker.
I guess policy has reverted back to just letting the killer run out of bullets or victims.
They sure let the killing go on for a while at the Sandy Hook massacre.
If their was a 40 min lapse of time going in their by LE. That is really fuuuuucked up... Someone who made that decision needs to be held accountable if it is actually true.
No matter what pretext was used for the laspe.
Barney Fife woulda gone in the school with his one bullet and lack of training...
SMH if this is true.
If this is similar to the Coward of Broward peice of schit LEO at the scene on the ground schit it is unforgivable. If the LEO,s were told by higher it is still unforgivable at highers level and on the ground while happening level. I cant imagine what type of person could stand their hearing gunfire and knowing people are being killed and saying higher wont let us go in because we dont have enough training to deal with this.
All speculation on my part... Might or might not be true. But if this 40 minute lapse is true. And if it is part of what went down. It is unforgivably negligent in protecting the public.
Just have to wait till it all comes out like it did in Broward one way or the other I geuss.
I’m not going to pass judgement on the officers at Uvalde until I hear the truth about what happened. I was an LEO for 33 years, and our plan in this type of event was first man there go in immediately. If officers waited outside while children were massacred, this is inexcusable.
What race are Hispanics? Aren't many Hispanics Mestizos, part Spanish (or Portuguese) and part native American peoples? I know not all, depending on heredity. Is Hispanic considered Caucasian in the United States? Maybe I'm confusing Latino and Hispanic.
Yeah, for crime stats, many agencies lump them in as White.
I’m not going to pass judgement on the officers at Uvalde until I hesr the truth about what happened. I was an LEO for 33 years, and our plan in this type of event was first man there go in immediately. If officers waited outside while children were massacred, this is inexcusable.
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Lots of kids were bullied growing up. When I was younger I had short hair during a time when long hair was fashionable and that was enough for me to be singled out and bullied. My dad taught me how to fight and how to be ruthless when fighting. He said that when I’ve had enough then it’s up to me to set them straight, he was right. I became an unbeaten street fighter that by high school had a reputation as someone not to mess with. The rich kid high school football captain outweighed me by 75 pounds that day that he decided to mess with me. We walked off school property and he turned around when I started swinging. Billy took 3 punches as he fell and knowing that he outweighed me by a big margin I wasn’t stopping until he was unconscious. I was 15 (he was 18) but I was in a rage and I pulverized his face until he was unrecognizable. I’d have killed him if 3 teachers didn’t pull me off of him because the entire student body was watching dumbfounded but wouldn’t touch me afraid of what I might do.
From that moment on my life was completely different. Two days later the JV and varsity basketball team had their long hair shaved as a tribute to me, David beating Goliath. It was an amazing experience and one of those experiences that literally changes your life. I got suspended for 3 days but dad demanded that I serve my suspension from home. The principal asked dad why he wanted me to serve the time at home. Dad replied and I’ll never forget his words….”I’m taking my son for lunch and then he has the next 3 days to sleep in, go to the beach and think about how the next time some ass hole picks a fight with him he could fight more effectively and send the next son of a bitch that tries that to the hospital….the only issue I have with my son is that he didn’t put him in the hospital”
Law enforcement response issues aside, how hard would it be to fit these schools and school rooms with better secyrity systems? Doors with electronic locks, classrooms with one way steel doors that automatically lock from the inside, security cams and monitor systems over classroom doorways, security fencing around playgrounds, etc?
It would be expensive to refit all of these buildings and classrooms with real security doors, but we are already spending hundreds of millions to babysit a bunch of gangbangers with 60 level IQs for 12 years.
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Lots of kids were bullied growing up. When I was younger I had short hair during a time when long hair was fashionable and that was enough for me to be singled out and bullied. My dad taught me how to fight and how to be ruthless when fighting. He said that when I’ve had enough then it’s up to me to set them straight, he was right. I became an unbeaten street fighter that by high school had a reputation as someone not to mess with. The rich kid high school football captain outweighed me by 75 pounds that day that he decided to mess with me. We walked off school property and he turned around when I started swinging. Billy took 3 punches as he fell and knowing that he outweighed me by a big margin I wasn’t stopping until he was unconscious. I was 15 (he was 18) but I was in a rage and I pulverized his face until he was unrecognizable. I’d have killed him if 3 teachers didn’t pull me off of him because the entire student body was watching dumbfounded but wouldn’t touch me afraid of what I might do.
From that moment on my life was completely different. Two days later the JV and varsity basketball team had their long hair shaved as a tribute to me, David beating Goliath. It was an amazing experience and one of those experiences that literally changes your life. I got suspended for 3 days but dad demanded that I serve my suspension from home. The principal asked dad why he wanted me to serve the time at home. Dad replied and I’ll never forget his words….”I’m taking my son for lunch and then he has the next 3 days to sleep in, go to the beach and think about how the next time some ass hole picks a fight with him he could fight more effectively and send the next son of a bitch that tries that to the hospital….the only issue I have with my son is that he didn’t put him in the hospital”
Bullying is not an excuse to kill 4th graders.
Good one Aces....
The difference being, Aces had support at home that taught him to stand up for himself. A hell of a lot of kids don't. I could be wrong but I think a lot of these kids turning psycho have bad experiences both at school and at home. They get bullied at school, then go home and are either ignored and neglected, or abused even more.
Not making excuses, just pointing out that there are a whole lot of children out there who have to grow up with absolute dogshít parents.
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Lots of kids were bullied growing up. When I was younger I had short hair during a time when long hair was fashionable and that was enough for me to be singled out and bullied. My dad taught me how to fight and how to be ruthless when fighting. He said that when I’ve had enough then it’s up to me to set them straight, he was right. I became an unbeaten street fighter that by high school had a reputation as someone not to mess with. The rich kid high school football captain outweighed me by 75 pounds that day that he decided to mess with me. We walked off school property and he turned around when I started swinging. Billy took 3 punches as he fell and knowing that he outweighed me by a big margin I wasn’t stopping until he was unconscious. I was 15 (he was 18) but I was in a rage and I pulverized his face until he was unrecognizable. I’d have killed him if 3 teachers didn’t pull me off of him because the entire student body was watching dumbfounded but wouldn’t touch me afraid of what I might do.
From that moment on my life was completely different. Two days later the JV and varsity basketball team had their long hair shaved as a tribute to me, David beating Goliath. It was an amazing experience and one of those experiences that literally changes your life. I got suspended for 3 days but dad demanded that I serve my suspension from home. The principal asked dad why he wanted me to serve the time at home. Dad replied and I’ll never forget his words….”I’m taking my son for lunch and then he has the next 3 days to sleep in, go to the beach and think about how the next time some ass hole picks a fight with him he could fight more effectively and send the next son of a bitch that tries that to the hospital….the only issue I have with my son is that he didn’t put him in the hospital”
Which is a huge problem, as you previously stated about the chickensh&t zero tolerance stuff. Boys need to slug it out some, especially in middle school.
I had 4 fights that I can recall at school in the 7th & 8th grade. Aside from a trip to the principal's office for a few minutes, we never missed a moment of school. No suspensions etc.
Law enforcement response issues aside, how hard would it be to fit these schools and school rooms with better secyrity systems? Doors with electronic locks, classrooms with one way steel doors that automatically lock from the inside, security cams and monitor systems over classroom doorways, security fencing around playgrounds, etc?
It would be expensive to refit all of these buildings and classrooms with real security doors, but we are already spending hundreds of millions to babysit a bunch of gangbangers with 60 level IQs for 12 years.
It would appear in this case that simply following procedures already in place would/could have prevented entry. At this point it appears the shooter entered the school through a door that should have been locked.
A quick Google shows about 140,000 elementary schools in the US, Sandy Hook was ten years ago. Considering to the number of schools in the US, the odds of actually having this occur at any given school are vanishingly low.
Down this way, we were in church on Sunday learning to value and appreciate life. We might duke it out once in a while, but we weren’t gonna shoot anybody.
A lot of parents just outright neglect their kids. Many grow up never having been raised at all. No wonder we are in such a mess.
We just need to bring back mental institutions like prior to the Reagan era and the catch and release mentality needs to cease. Some people just dont belong in society and they need to be institutionalized for good. For our well being and theirs as much as IDGAF about theirs honestly. Let the loonies draw cartoons with their own schitt on their walls for all I care....
This nanny state bullschit in all aspects is going waaay to far.
LBJ,s Great Society long term trickle down effects have fuuucked this nation and empowered Liberal Socialist Democrats ever since.
We are on the backslide of us being a constitutional republic since 1964 1965...IMO....
When the lowest elements of a nation have the most say so and control thru a political party that panders to that, then that nation is irreversibly on a downward spiral...
Honk for Joey and how he was installed is proof of it all...
If somebody wants to kill, there really is no stopping them outside of shooting them first.
There it is. No amount of background checks, licensing, whatever, anything you can name is going to stop someone who wants to kill.
Last person that I'm aware of that could read hearts was Jesus, not some lawyer, not some government official and definitely not some psychologist.
Looks like Schmuck Schumer is pushing a national Red Flag Law. Red Flag Laws skip over that inconvenient little thing we know as Due Process, and allow the police to jump directly to sending a tac team to your home to steal all your guns BEFORE giving you an opportunity to appear in court with an attorney to defend against the charge that you are a danger to society, face your accuser, etc..
In other words, based on just about anybody's out of court assertion that you are a danger, cops can bust in and take your stuff, no warning or chance to oppose the accusation in court first. Requiring a judge to sign off first isn't Due Process and, besides, no judge is going to decline his signature for fear of being identified as the guy who could have stopped a mass murderer, but refused, i.e., he would be under too much political pressure to rubber stamp every request. Due Process requires that you have a chance to oppose the charge BEFORE your rights are violated. Having that chance afterwards isn't Due Process. The damage is already done at that point.
Make sure to call your US Senators and remind them that you fully expect them to defend your Due Process rights under the Constitution, and oppose all Red Flag Laws, which are its negation. The House is a lost cause, so it has to be stopped in the Senate.
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Lots of kids were bullied growing up. When I was younger I had short hair during a time when long hair was fashionable and that was enough for me to be singled out and bullied. My dad taught me how to fight and how to be ruthless when fighting. He said that when I’ve had enough then it’s up to me to set them straight, he was right. I became an unbeaten street fighter that by high school had a reputation as someone not to mess with. The rich kid high school football captain outweighed me by 75 pounds that day that he decided to mess with me. We walked off school property and he turned around when I started swinging. Billy took 3 punches as he fell and knowing that he outweighed me by a big margin I wasn’t stopping until he was unconscious. I was 15 (he was 18) but I was in a rage and I pulverized his face until he was unrecognizable. I’d have killed him if 3 teachers didn’t pull me off of him because the entire student body was watching dumbfounded but wouldn’t touch me afraid of what I might do.
From that moment on my life was completely different. Two days later the JV and varsity basketball team had their long hair shaved as a tribute to me, David beating Goliath. It was an amazing experience and one of those experiences that literally changes your life. I got suspended for 3 days but dad demanded that I serve my suspension from home. The principal asked dad why he wanted me to serve the time at home. Dad replied and I’ll never forget his words….”I’m taking my son for lunch and then he has the next 3 days to sleep in, go to the beach and think about how the next time some ass hole picks a fight with him he could fight more effectively and send the next son of a bitch that tries that to the hospital….the only issue I have with my son is that he didn’t put him in the hospital”
I’ve not read this entire thread and this may have been discussed but I have two questions. First aren’t most if not all classrooms required to have windows for fire escape? This of course would have been another point of entry. Maybe not there? Maybe the windows were utilized?
Second where does an 18 year old get enough experience with two newly purchased rifles and ammo to accurately hold off LEO as long as he did?
The lord took home another choir of Angels. God bless them all.
Law enforcement response issues aside, how hard would it be to fit these schools and school rooms with better secyrity systems? Doors with electronic locks, classrooms with one way steel doors that automatically lock from the inside, security cams and monitor systems over classroom doorways, security fencing around playgrounds, etc?
It would be expensive to refit all of these buildings and classrooms with real security doors, but we are already spending hundreds of millions to babysit a bunch of gangbangers with 60 level IQs for 12 years.
It would appear in this case that simply following procedures already in place would/could have prevented entry. At this point it appears the shooter entered the school through a door that should have been locked.
A quick Google shows about 140,000 elementary schools in the US, Sandy Hook was ten years ago. Considering to the number of schools in the US, the odds of actually having this occur at any given school are vanishingly low.
People get complacent.
Even here in the middle of poor-as-shìt nowhere, a lot of government offices have electronic locking doors on the building that you have to have a badge ID to open.
It astounds me that we can put electronic security doors on the government Office of Mattress Tag Checking, but security at an elementary school depends on Cross-Eyed Janitor Charlie remembering to lock the door in between smoke breaks.
Law enforcement response issues aside, how hard would it be to fit these schools and school rooms with better secyrity systems? Doors with electronic locks, classrooms with one way steel doors that automatically lock from the inside, security cams and monitor systems over classroom doorways, security fencing around playgrounds, etc?
It would be expensive to refit all of these buildings and classrooms with real security doors, but we are already spending hundreds of millions to babysit a bunch of gangbangers with 60 level IQs for 12 years.
It would appear in this case that simply following procedures already in place would/could have prevented entry. At this point it appears the shooter entered the school through a door that should have been locked.
A quick Google shows about 140,000 elementary schools in the US, Sandy Hook was ten years ago. Considering to the number of schools in the US, the odds of actually having this occur at any given school are vanishingly low.
People get complacent.
Schools have been letting their guard down quite a bit lately
1. Biden the wise messiah is pres now, that causes teacher orgasms 2. Many having 5th grade graduation or whatever, end of school pizza parties and whatnot, lots of stranger traffic 3. Late spring weather, shîthole school systems, crappy maintenance, no ac, classroom outside door propped open 4. Field Day, kids galore outside
Can’t sit back ans be a Wheel Of Fortune Boomer a s spout off from a recliner and not consider these security lapses. Not directed at either above posters
It astounds me that we can put electronic security doors on the government Office of Mattress Tag Checking, but security at an elementary school depends on Cross-Eyed Janitor Charlie remembering to lock the door in between smoke breaks.
Not to belabor the point, but IME the janitorial staff is most often really good about locking doors since they are directly accountable. If stuff gets stolen it will come down on them and if vandals get in they are the ones who are gonna be cleaning up the mess/graffiti.
It’s teachers and especially students that tend to prop them open so they don’t have to walk all the way around the building to get back in.
How much would people be willing to pay in tax increase to build every school in the US into a semi-prison like building? High walls around entire campus. Bulletproof glass, doors.. hell even walls.
And pay the extra 10-20 armed guards guarding each school. Gotta be a federal tax so every school is entitled to the same amount of funding...
Wonder how much that would cost.
OR how about we just spend the 40 BILLION we sent to a bunch of SLAVS and spend them here, but I tell you what, how about we just take what Zelinsky and his "cabinet" skimmed of the top?
Red flag laws plus the battle cry for increased mental health investigations/ convictions will fall right into the marxist hands as their primary tool to use against all conservative gun owners. This is a slippery slope right into the gulag. They did same thing in soviet union.
Picture defending yourself before a tribunal (medical review board) of fresh from the marxist indoctrination center (university) snowflake experts hell bent on sending you to the looney bin for defending yourself or the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.
Red flag laws plus the battle cry for increased mental health investigations/ convictions will fall right into the marxist hands as their primary tool to use against all conservative gun owners. This is a slippery slope right into the gulag. They did same thing in soviet union.
Picture defending yourself before a tribunal (medical review board) of fresh from the marxist indoctrination center (university) snowflake experts hell bent on sending you to the looney bin for defending yourself or the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.
All based on truth in reporting……if 2 Uvalde officers, or any LEO, were on site listening to gunshots and DID NOT ENGAGE they are guilty of being an accessory in my biased opinion. Hell, if any armed citizen was there listening how they not have responded? I’m no ex-mil, ex-LEO, no first responder and I was not there. But how could any citizen able make a difference stand by and watch & listen? Is there a man here that believes he would not have acted? Not I. Maybe being over 70 with a history of missed opportunities to die affects me. But what remains of my life would not have prevented me from going in to face the gunman or at least trying. My conscience would not have allowed any other action.
We the people are at a point in history where some if not many will be called on to do what is right in the mind of God. These callings will involve the potential for personal sacrifice, perhaps the ultimate sacrifice. But how can we as a people not respond? That some can and will fail boggles the mind. I pray should I be called on to face such evil I will be ready and willing. Able, I will leave to God’s will and his plan for me. We must search ourselves internally to prepare. For when the call comes to act there will be no time for self evaluation. The time then will be only for action not self preparation. God be with us all. May he bless and keep those in the midst of terrible mourning brought on by the forces of evil.
Red flag laws plus the battle cry for increased mental health investigations/ convictions will fall right into the marxist hands as their primary tool to use against all conservative gun owners. This is a slippery slope right into the gulag. They did same thing in soviet union.
Picture defending yourself before a tribunal (medical review board) of fresh from the marxist indoctrination center (university) snowflake experts hell bent on sending you to the looney bin for defending yourself or the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.
Second where does an 18 year old get enough experience with two newly purchased rifles and ammo to accurately hold off LEO as long as he did?
From the evidence that is coming out, it is not hard to hold off LEO who are behind their cars in the parking lot.
Volume of fire = gaining fire superiority and abilty to maneuver. Add in basic fear on the human reaction factor.
And it dont take alot training to run a AR15 or any other wpn and make it go bang
Owners manual. Playing around with it. Videos online Ect ect ect.... And hours of desensitizing on vid games that your life revolves around....
Equals evil with a wpn.....
Rene, ALL due respect to your service and experience. I thank you immensely.
Your points about weapons and training are spot on. It takes any semi intelligent person a couple mags of ammo and five minutes to learn to operate an AR at inside the room ranges.
I do disagree with "desensitivation".
Desensitivation is a matter of concern for the normal psyche. Psycopaths need no desensitizing. They have no conscience. They have no empathy. They have no guilt. They have no faults.
Anything they perpetrate upon society is deserved by that society because of percieved mistreatments.
I knew a 12 year old male who molested a 6 year old girl, and then told the Judge it was the girl's fault for tempting him.
Too bad it is not legal for the parents to take them out back for the richly deserved culling.
I realized in high school near Corpus Christi which was 30% Hispanic at the time, 90% of car crashes involved a Mexican. 75% involved 2 autos driven by Mexicans.
Problem now is, Mexicans on welfare live in $300,000 houses and claim no visible source of income and the uneducated high school drop out with 5 kids drives a F250.
They can kill your ass.
They kick the hubby making $150 a year in the oilfield out for a few days when WeFair notifies them they are coming for a WeFair check.
The dimocommies vote buying plan in action.
Gayghost, Suckawhore, Jell0, JiminTenn and Twerker approve.
PREZACTLY. See em every time I go to the Grocery Store. Fat assed women with5 fat assed kids. Talking Spanish on their new Govt Free Iphone, Driving a near new F/350 or Chevy 2500, bed full of concrete tools, and of course, paying with a EBT Card. Those fuqkers are eating better thanwe are on that EBT Card OUR Tax Dollars payed for. 😡
Well it’s a good thing he took out them 19 kids. So you can sleep better tonight. You are a ph ucking idiot..
Sounds like your drunken idiotic dumbass is the one that needs some sleep. Being as how your good with the Murder of 19 innocent children & 2 school teachers. 🤪
Bet you’re an Eggspurt on Wetbacks, too, being as there’s so many of them in Alaska. 🤪 Lucky for your dumbass they can’t swim the Ocean to Alaska or get past the Canadian Border Guards or Mounties to overrun your great State. Not to mention that they hate the cold. And apparently, you must have missed the part of my other post about my life long Hispanic friends I grew up with. That hate fuqking Wetbacks as much as I do.
Carry on Eggspurt, you don’t need my help making a fool of yourself. You’re doing a fine job all by your lonesome.
No it’s pretty simple you are a retard.. You’re only takeaway from all of this, are Mexicans are fat, sloppy, lazy and a burden on the welfare system. We also have plenty of Mexicans up here in Alaska and we have CBP up here as well. Don’t let your ignorance write a check your ass can’t cash retard.
How much would people be willing to pay in tax increase to build every school in the US into a semi-prison like building? High walls around entire campus. Bulletproof glass, doors.. hell even walls.
And pay the extra 10-20 armed guards guarding each school. Gotta be a federal tax so every school is entitled to the same amount of funding...
Wonder how much that would cost.
OR how about we just spend the 40 BILLION we sent to a bunch of SLAVS and spend them here, but I tell you what, how about we just take what Zelinsky and his "cabinet" skimmed of the top?
yes walt is a moron. All the billions and billions sent to a corrupt kleptocracy could have been used to feed starving babies and secure our our schools.
Cannot believe what is shaping up as a complete failure by law enforcement. An active shooter is inside for almost an hour as parents are told to remain calm and sit outside hearing gunshots as leo parade around in their tactical gear doing crowd control. I mean this is an entire issue on it's own. I'm not painting it with a broadbrush but it's happened before, and not all cops are bad cops but what are we paying them to do??? And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting? And for the racist homophob crowd here, if an 18 yo tranny mexican with no training can shoot and would 2 leo after the accident, walk past an armed security guard, and barricade himself in a school room for an hour while dozens of agents sit outside wondering what the plan is, I'm sure throwing more guns at the situation is the answer. God is the answer. Needed a better dad is the answer. How can you be sol blind? Stop enabling people getting the gun in the first place. Put up more obstacles. When the city of put up a fence on the Golden Gate Bridge suicides declined by over 50%. Make it more difficult, be part of the solution not the problem. Btw, no guns are allowed inside the NRA convention this weekend, what a bunch of pussies.
I’ve seen several references on newscasts related to 100 million or 100 billion $$$$$$ still dedicated to schools as covid funds. Thinking it is billion. That’s be like 1000 socialists upside down. Can’t think of a better way to spend a slush fund. Of course those with their eyes on personal gain will resist.
I believe this will be one option considered by congress. Make note of who resists.
Cannot believe what is shaping up as a complete failure by law enforcement. An active shooter is inside for almost an hour as parents are told to remain calm and sit outside hearing gunshots as leo parade around in their tactical gear doing crowd control. I mean this is an entire issue on it's own. I'm not painting it with a broadbrush but it's happened before, and not all cops are bad cops but what are we paying them to do??? And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting? And for the racist homophob crowd here, if an 18 yo tranny mexican with no training can shoot and would 2 leo after the accident, walk past an armed security guard, and barricade himself in a school room for an hour while dozens of agents sit outside wondering what the plan is, I'm sure throwing more guns at the situation is the answer. God is the answer. Needed a better dad is the answer. How can you be sol blind? Stop enabling people getting the gun in the first place. Put up more obstacles. When the city of put up a fence on the Golden Gate Bridge suicides declined by over 50%. Make it more difficult, be part of the solution not the problem. Btw, no guns are allowed inside the NRA convention this weekend, what a bunch of pussies.
Its always entertaining to look at anti gun child groomer posts like yours. remember when you were praising the mass murderer Cuomo?
[b]Re: Why Is FOX News Breaking In For Gov Cuomo’s Daily Briefs ? keith_dunlap #14691644 03/22/20 Online Content Prewar70 Member P Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 241 Minneapolis, MN Personally I like his approach to this and I think he's handling it honestly, with facts. He must be connecting with a lot of Americans because people are listening. Vastly different approach compared to Trump, who spews misinformation, doesn't understand the facts, deflects on how he mishandled it early on, can't take responsibility and who's biggest highlight everyday is getting to call it the CHinese virus on national tv. He can hear his base applauding. What a horrible leader, truly, not capable.
Does anyone fear this scenario playing out. Dems control the house and Senate, and President. They enact sweeping, over reaching gun control laws that have far reaching repercussions. Would it be better to have a say in it, on what would really help, before that happens?
Re: Why Is FOX News Breaking In For Gov Cuomo’s Daily Briefs ? keith_dunlap #14691644 03/22/20 Online Content Prewar70 Member P Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 241 Minneapolis, MN Personally I like his approach to this and I think he's handling it honestly, with facts. He must be connecting with a lot of Americans because people are listening. Vastly different approach compared to Trump, who spews misinformation, doesn't understand the facts, deflects on how he mishandled it early on, can't take responsibility and who's biggest highlight everyday is getting to call it the CHinese virus on national tv. He can hear his base applauding. What a horrible leader, truly, not capable.
see that's where you're completely wrong, I have many guns. And I respect them, and it's privelege to own them. Trump always was and always will be a douche canoe. He has all of you fooled. But I'm not pro politician for any side. Term limits , campaign finance reform, no dark money. But let's stay focused
Second where does an 18 year old get enough experience with two newly purchased rifles and ammo to accurately hold off LEO as long as he did?
From the evidence that is coming out, it is not hard to hold off LEO who are behind their cars in the parking lot.
Exactly. The armed School Resource officer let's the perp in the School without firing a single shot. Not one! Then law enforcement shows up and hides behind their Cars for 40 minutes! It's not a good look
Red flag laws plus the battle cry for increased mental health investigations/ convictions will fall right into the marxist hands as their primary tool to use against all conservative gun owners. This is a slippery slope right into the gulag. They did same thing in soviet union.
Picture defending yourself before a tribunal (medical review board) of fresh from the marxist indoctrination center (university) snowflake experts hell bent on sending you to the looney bin for defending yourself or the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.
see that's where you're completely wrong, I have many guns. And I respect them, and it's privelegeA RIGHT to own them....
Beat me to it. There’s a reason the second amendment was written in simple language for all to see and understand. When a right is reduced to a privilege you are no longer free.
Cannot believe what is shaping up as a complete failure by law enforcement. An active shooter is inside for almost an hour as parents are told to remain calm and sit outside hearing gunshots as leo parade around in their tactical gear doing crowd control. I mean this is an entire issue on it's own. I'm not painting it with a broadbrush but it's happened before, and not all cops are bad cops but what are we paying them to do??? And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting? And for the racist homophob crowd here, if an 18 yo tranny mexican with no training can shoot and would 2 leo after the accident, walk past an armed security guard, and barricade himself in a school room for an hour while dozens of agents sit outside wondering what the plan is, I'm sure throwing more guns at the situation is the answer. God is the answer. Needed a better dad is the answer. How can you be sol blind? Stop enabling people getting the gun in the first place. Put up more obstacles. When the city of put up a fence on the Golden Gate Bridge suicides declined by over 50%. Make it more difficult, be part of the solution not the problem. Btw, no guns are allowed inside the NRA convention this weekend, what a bunch of pussies.
Would you have preferred to see 40 scared chitless police officers running though an elementary school, spraying bullets all over the place?
I propose we wait a day or two and maybe learn a bit more about what actually happened before casting judgement.
see that's where you're completely wrong, I have many guns. And I respect them, and it's privelege to own them. Trump always was and always will be a douche canoe. He has all of you fooled. But I'm not pro politician for any side. Term limits , campaign finance reform, no dark money. But let's stay focused
Remember when you praised Cuomo for killing over 30,000 vulnerable elderly in NY? What a mouth breathing ignorant moron you are. Sub 80 Iq window licker
Re: Why Is FOX News Breaking In For Gov Cuomo’s Daily Briefs ? keith_dunlap #14691644 03/22/20 Online Content Prewar70 Member P Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 241 Minneapolis, MN Personally I like his approach to this and I think he's handling it honestly, with facts. He must be connecting with a lot of Americans because people are listening. Vastly different approach compared to Trump, who spews misinformation, doesn't understand the facts, deflects on how he mishandled it early on, can't take responsibility and who's biggest highlight everyday is getting to call it the CHinese virus on national tv. He can hear his base applauding. What a horrible leader, truly, not capable.
Our local elementary school (K-8) has exactly ONE male teacher.
Women generally suck at situational awareness and remembering to make sure of stuff like locked doors etc. They also aren't prone to challenge anyone as to why they are there.
see that's where you're completely wrong, I have many guns. And I respect them, and it's privelege to own them. Trump always was and always will be a douche canoe. He has all of you fooled. But I'm not pro politician for any side. Term limits , campaign finance reform, no dark money. But let's stay focused
I liked you much better when you didn’t post much.
see that's where you're completely wrong, I have many guns. And I respect them, and it's privelege to own them. Trump always was and always will be a douche canoe. He has all of you fooled. But I'm not pro politician for any side. Term limits , campaign finance reform, no dark money. But let's stay focused
Hey retard when did owning guns become a privilege? I am also still waiting for you to answer how it’s Trump’s fault that you’re a liberal queer. Thanks!
Red flag laws plus the battle cry for increased mental health investigations/ convictions will fall right into the marxist hands as their primary tool to use against all conservative gun owners. This is a slippery slope right into the gulag. They did same thing in soviet union.
Picture defending yourself before a tribunal (medical review board) of fresh from the marxist indoctrination center (university) snowflake experts hell bent on sending you to the looney bin for defending yourself or the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.
Be careful what you wish for!!!
B I N G O ^^^^^
Anybody that believes red flag laws would not be abused is just totally out of the realm of reality they're an idiot
see that's where you're completely wrong, I have many guns. And I respect them, and it's privelege to own them. Trump always was and always will be a douche canoe. He has all of you fooled. But I'm not pro politician for any side. Term limits , campaign finance reform, no dark money. But let's stay focused
Cannot believe what is shaping up as a complete failure by law enforcement. An active shooter is inside for almost an hour as parents are told to remain calm and sit outside hearing gunshots as leo parade around in their tactical gear doing crowd control. I mean this is an entire issue on it's own. I'm not painting it with a broadbrush but it's happened before, and not all cops are bad cops but what are we paying them to do??? And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting? And for the racist homophob crowd here, if an 18 yo tranny mexican with no training can shoot and would 2 leo after the accident, walk past an armed security guard, and barricade himself in a school room for an hour while dozens of agents sit outside wondering what the plan is, I'm sure throwing more guns at the situation is the answer. God is the answer. Needed a better dad is the answer. How can you be sol blind? Stop enabling people getting the gun in the first place. Put up more obstacles. When the city of put up a fence on the Golden Gate Bridge suicides declined by over 50%. Make it more difficult, be part of the solution not the problem. Btw, no guns are allowed inside the NRA convention this weekend, what a bunch of pussies.
Okay, there we go. Now you are showing your true colors.
Who is more invested in stopping a killer in the classroom? A cop sheltering behind his car just off campus? Or an adult in the classroom with the killer?
In the first place, if the would be killer knew the school was full of armed responders, he would not even be there.
I take comfort in knowing there is at least one armed teacher in my Grandkids' school. That is one that I KNOW of. And only because he and his Dad are both next door neighbors to me, and I have been closely a quainted with the Dad for sixty years.
I do not know how many other teachers in this district or county are armed, nor is it any of my business. I can only wish every one of them were.
As far as God and Fathers go. Just exactly how would you legislate that in your leftist mind.
see that's where you're completely wrong, I have many guns. And I respect them, and it's privelege to own them. Trump always was and always will be a douche canoe. He has all of you fooled. But I'm not pro politician for any side. Term limits , campaign finance reform, no dark money. But let's stay focused
Uhm no!
It is not a privelege!
It is a Constitutionally guaranteed RIGHT. And a moral obligation.
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity. It can and does happen. Next to nothing is done about the bullying and never has been. Some people can get over it. Some never do. You keep pounding on people who already have problems and it wrecks them mentally. You end up with a person with a hate filled twisted mind planning on the most horrible way possible to inflict pain on other humanity in a raging suicidal burnout. Schools are extremely vulnerable targets.
Lots of kids were bullied growing up. When I was younger I had short hair during a time when long hair was fashionable and that was enough for me to be singled out and bullied. My dad taught me how to fight and how to be ruthless when fighting. He said that when I’ve had enough then it’s up to me to set them straight, he was right. I became an unbeaten street fighter that by high school had a reputation as someone not to mess with. The rich kid high school football captain outweighed me by 75 pounds that day that he decided to mess with me. We walked off school property and he turned around when I started swinging. Billy took 3 punches as he fell and knowing that he outweighed me by a big margin I wasn’t stopping until he was unconscious. I was 15 (he was 18) but I was in a rage and I pulverized his face until he was unrecognizable. I’d have killed him if 3 teachers didn’t pull me off of him because the entire student body was watching dumbfounded but wouldn’t touch me afraid of what I might do.
From that moment on my life was completely different. Two days later the JV and varsity basketball team had their long hair shaved as a tribute to me, David beating Goliath. It was an amazing experience and one of those experiences that literally changes your life. I got suspended for 3 days but dad demanded that I serve my suspension from home. The principal asked dad why he wanted me to serve the time at home. Dad replied and I’ll never forget his words….”I’m taking my son for lunch and then he has the next 3 days to sleep in, go to the beach and think about how the next time some ass hole picks a fight with him he could fight more effectively and send the next son of a bitch that tries that to the hospital….the only issue I have with my son is that he didn’t put him in the hospital”
Bullying is not an excuse to kill 4th graders.
Good one Aces....
Was it in a movie he saw?
They cut their hair?
Riiiiiight.
Jim….with my hand to God the JV and Basketball team shaved their heads. I would hope that you aren’t calling me a liar since I’ve never given you or anyone else a bullshit story.
This is like playing checkers with my kids. LImited real discussion, mostly name calling. This is bad
Remember this coming out of your genius mind ? lol. N o wonder you want to ban guns
Re: Why Is FOX News Breaking In For Gov Cuomo’s Daily Briefs ? keith_dunlap #14691644 03/22/20 Online Content Prewar70 Member P Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 241 Minneapolis, MN Personally I like his approach to this and I think he's handling it honestly, with facts. He must be connecting with a lot of Americans because people are listening. Vastly different approach compared to Trump, who spews misinformation, doesn't understand the facts, deflects on how he mishandled it early on, can't take responsibility and who's biggest highlight everyday is getting to call it the CHinese virus on national tv. He can hear his base applauding. What a horrible leader, truly, not capable.
This is like playing checkers with my kids. LImited real discussion, mostly name calling. This is bad
Remember this coming out of your genius mind ? lol. N o wonder you want to ban guns
Re: Why Is FOX News Breaking In For Gov Cuomo’s Daily Briefs ? keith_dunlap #14691644 03/22/20 Online Content Prewar70 Member P Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 241 Minneapolis, MN Personally I like his approach to this and I think he's handling it honestly, with facts. He must be connecting with a lot of Americans because people are listening. Vastly different approach compared to Trump, who spews misinformation, doesn't understand the facts, deflects on how he mishandled it early on, can't take responsibility and who's biggest highlight everyday is getting to call it the CHinese virus on national tv. He can hear his base applauding. What a horrible leader, truly, not capable.
Prewar70 must love how uncle joe is running things.
Based on the information from Varmintguy's thread, the guy was bullied incessantly until driven to insanity.
I'm not defending bullies or bullying but more likely it was the other way around. Kids single out those who are different. More likely the guy had mental health issues to begin with, kids recognized that and piled on.
I realized in high school near Corpus Christi which was 30% Hispanic at the time, 90% of car crashes involved a Mexican. 75% involved 2 autos driven by Mexicans.
Problem now is, Mexicans on welfare live in $300,000 houses and claim no visible source of income and the uneducated high school drop out with 5 kids drives a F250.
They can kill your ass.
They kick the hubby making $150 a year in the oilfield out for a few days when WeFair notifies them they are coming for a WeFair check.
The dimocommies vote buying plan in action.
Gayghost, Suckawhore, Jell0, JiminTenn and Twerker approve.
PREZACTLY. See em every time I go to the Grocery Store. Fat assed women with5 fat assed kids. Talking Spanish on their new Govt Free Iphone, Driving a near new F/350 or Chevy 2500, bed full of concrete tools, and of course, paying with a EBT Card. Those fuqkers are eating better thanwe are on that EBT Card OUR Tax Dollars payed for. 😡
Well it’s a good thing he took out them 19 kids. So you can sleep better tonight. You are a ph ucking idiot..
Sounds like your drunken idiotic dumbass is the one that needs some sleep. Being as how your good with the Murder of 19 innocent children & 2 school teachers. 🤪
Bet you’re an Eggspurt on Wetbacks, too, being as there’s so many of them in Alaska. 🤪 Lucky for your dumbass they can’t swim the Ocean to Alaska or get past the Canadian Border Guards or Mounties to overrun your great State. Not to mention that they hate the cold. And apparently, you must have missed the part of my other post about my life long Hispanic friends I grew up with. That hate fuqking Wetbacks as much as I do.
Carry on Eggspurt, you don’t need my help making a fool of yourself. You’re doing a fine job all by your lonesome.
No it’s pretty simple you are a retard.. You’re only takeaway from all of this, are Mexicans are fat, sloppy, lazy and a burden on the welfare system. We also have plenty of Mexicans up here in Alaska and we have CBP up here as well. Don’t let your ignorance write a check your ass can’t cash retard.
Evidently your stupid AND your Reading Comprehension Really Sucks. 😂😂🤪
Jag and I were talking about WETBACKS, you imbecile. Jag said Mexicans, and I knew who he meant. From tons of previous conversations with the Good Doc. Both online and in person. If you don’t like the Fuqking Truth we are telling about TX being overrun with Welfare Sucking Webacks, too bad. The Hispanics that I’m friends with and grew up with say the same damn thing. As I said before, they hate wetbacks as much as we do. But being as your Reading Comprehension Truly Sucks, I doubt that your drunken ass would remember it anyhow. Jag and I were having a conversation that didn’t include you. But you felt compelled to butt in. Or was it just the Whiskey talking. 🤪 Now run along and go Fuqk yourself. And get drunk. Again. 😂😂😂
logical thinking tells me that the story about cops going in and ONLY rescuing their own kids is bull crap. Think about it, a cop is going in where there's a bunch of kids and ONLY getting their own kid out. Not believing that one for one second.
While everyone is discussing remember that this kind of thing does not end when the shooter dies. The husband of a victim teacher died of a heart attack. They had 4 children. This community will suffer from this for a long time.
While everyone is discussing remember that this kind of thing does not end when the shooter dies. The husband of a victim teacher died of a heart attack. They had 4 children. This community will suffer from this for a long time.
I’m hearing the BP agent went in on his own and killed the murderer while the locals were standing around waiting. Also hear he is a combat veteran. If the locals waited even one minute to go in and engage the killer the department leadership and every responding officer needs to be fired immediately and stripped of any pension. The community needs to ostracize the officers and their families and drive them out of the community. Every day my respect for law enforcement falls further.
I’m hearing the BP agent went in on his own and killed the murderer while the locals were standing around waiting. Also hear he is a combat veteran. If the locals waited even one minute to go in and engage the killer the department leadership and every responding officer needs to be fired immediately and stripped of any pension. The community needs to ostracize the officers and their families and drive them out of the community. Every day my respect for law enforcement falls further.
That is just not so.
The press conference earlier, the spokesman said it was the border patrolman, a Zavala County deputy sheriff, and Uvalde Police dept. personnel, all with tactical training who made up the impromptu team who rushed and killed the shooter.
This is like playing checkers with my kids. LImited real discussion, mostly name calling. This is bad
Remember this coming out of your genius mind ? lol. N o wonder you want to ban guns
Re: Why Is FOX News Breaking In For Gov Cuomo’s Daily Briefs ? keith_dunlap #14691644 03/22/20 Online Content Prewar70 Member P Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 241 Minneapolis, MN Personally I like his approach to this and I think he's handling it honestly, with facts. He must be connecting with a lot of Americans because people are listening. Vastly different approach compared to Trump, who spews misinformation, doesn't understand the facts, deflects on how he mishandled it early on, can't take responsibility and who's biggest highlight everyday is getting to call it the CHinese virus on national tv. He can hear his base applauding. What a horrible leader, truly, not capable.
Prewar70 must love how uncle joe is running things.
Since he thinks it's a "privilege" to own guns, I'm sure he feels privileged to have Biden in the White House.
Now they are saying that there was no SRO there and there wasn't any shots exchanged before the shooter entered the school, even though Gov Abbott said there was. And, the press conference that just concluded said that there were Federal Marshalls there that detained and handcuffed parents. Very odd to me that Federal Marshalls were on scene before they even got the guy stopped.
Now they are saying that there was no SRO there and there wasn't any shots exchanged before the shooter entered the school, even though Gov Abbott said there was. And, the press conference that just concluded said that there were Federal Marshalls there that detained and handcuffed parents. Very odd to me that Federal Marshalls were on scene before they even got the guy stopped.
I never trust information in the early stages of incidents like this.
Now they are saying that there was no SRO there and there wasn't any shots exchanged before the shooter entered the school, even though Gov Abbott said there was. And, the press conference that just concluded said that there were Federal Marshalls there that detained and handcuffed parents. Very odd to me that Federal Marshalls were on scene before they even got the guy stopped.
I never trust information in the early stages of incidents like this.
Never stops anyone else. Ridiculous some of the shît that gets posted from 3rd, 4th,5th hand accounts from social media.
It has been established that there was no car chase as earlier reported. The perp wrecked his grandmother's truck near the school and proceeded on foot to a back door at the school which was unlocked.
The SRO, who had gone to investigate the crash, actually followed the perp into the school and engaged him (no shots fired at that time per DPS director @ 43:18 in video) but the perp gained entrance, entered two class rooms and began firing immediately.
Uvalde police and Uvalde School Dist. Police officers arrived and engaged the shooter in under 5 minutes according to DPS Director McCraw (26:00 in video).
I believe the 40 minute time line was when the CBP swat team engaged/shot the shooter. Couldn't hear the question but believe that is what Dir. McCraw indicated @ 42:37. A CBP official following Dir. MCraw stated that CBP has a large presence in Uvalde and that some 80 CBP agents responded to the call from their headquarters, the field etc.
Now they are saying that there was no SRO there and there wasn't any shots exchanged before the shooter entered the school, even though Gov Abbott said there was. And, the press conference that just concluded said that there were Federal Marshalls there that detained and handcuffed parents. Very odd to me that Federal Marshalls were on scene before they even got the guy stopped.
I never trust information in the early stages of incidents like this.
A few local cops went in right away, exchanged shots and got wounded, then fell back and called for reinforcements. Then, the law guys waited an hour for the SWAT team to show up and kill the guy. Local cops in Uvalde don't have body armor or ARs?
Go hole up with your fellow police union buddies, while you listen to the sound of children being slaughtered?
Well, at least these officers went home at the end of their shift.
This whole thing is starting to stink . Will we be told the truth ?
Absolutely not.
Its beginning to sound like LEO was doing all they could to let the killer kill until he ran out of ammo.
So, did a LEO acquaintance go in under a pre planned agreement with the shooter to do a planned arrest and then took out the shooter to get rid of the last witness?
I thought Columbine made law enforcement agencies agree the best course of action is to go after the shooter immediately.
A few local cops went in right away, exchanged shots and got wounded, then fell back and called for reinforcements. Then, the law guys waited an hour for the SWAT team to show up and kill the guy. Local cops in Uvalde don't have body armor or ARs?
Go hole up with your fellow police union buddies, while you listen to the sound of children being slaughtered?
Well, at least these officers went home at the end of their shift.
When is the last time you entered a building to confront an armed foe, got wounded, and stayed in the fight?
I'm guessing you are a high-speed retired SF guy that's booted more than a few doors in your day...
ANY man that doesn’t run towards the sounds of children being murdered isn’t fit to call himself a man.
Any human. Just heard the story of the mother who was stopped, handcuffed, later uncuffed, scaled a fence and ran in and grabbed her children while this was still happening. Parents prevented from storming the school.
Waiting to pass judgement as I haven't been able to follow it much, but it all doesn't sound good. Local PD on site and BP were the ones that went in and settled it?
Can't imagine someone so chickenchit as to sit outside while kids are being murdered, waiting for a tactical team to arrive. You have a badge and a gun, grab as many of your fellow officers as you can, and get your azz in there immediately. Never thought we'd see that level of cowardice again after Sandy Hook. But here we apparently may be again. If true, every one of them scared into inaction either by fear of death or fear of reprisals from command need to be fired immediately, then taken out back and let the parents of the slaughtered and survived children have a go at them. Fuggin' infuriating to me.
I simply don’t understand how any LEO could stay outside as they listen to shots going off inside the school. I am truly sickened by how our LEO’s allowed this to continue
A few local cops went in right away, exchanged shots and got wounded, then fell back and called for reinforcements. Then, the law guys waited an hour for the SWAT team to show up and kill the guy. Local cops in Uvalde don't have body armor or ARs?
Go hole up with your fellow police union buddies, while you listen to the sound of children being slaughtered?
Well, at least these officers went home at the end of their shift.
When is the last time you entered a building to confront an armed foe, got wounded, and stayed in the fight?
I'm guessing you are a high-speed retired SF guy that's booted more than a few doors in your day...
The injured cops, might have had their arm blown in two by the .223 round. No, they are out of the fight. But there were a bunch of other cops, standing around and listening to the sound of children being slaughtered inside, while they awaited the Border Patrol SWAT team. Looks like they waited around for the better part of an hour. Thank God they got to go home at the end of their shift.
Cops ON SCENE, let's say there were five of them, at the four minute mark, needed to assault that classroom and shoot that murderer. I don't care if 4 of those cops got killed, it is their job "to serve and protect."
I don't like what I am hearing. How do you fabricate a "school resource officer" that "engaged" the shooter? I think there is a CYA effort going on via the Texas DPS. Although they have somewhat of a checkered past, it is time for the FBI to take over the investigation.
I simply don’t understand how any LEO could stay outside as they listen to shots going off inside the school. I am truly sickened by how our LEO’s allowed this to continue
No matter what, you gotta go home at the end of your shift. Didn't you see the movie Untouchables?
I don't like what I am hearing. How do you fabricate a "school resource officer" that "engaged" the shooter? I think there is a CYA effort going on via the Texas DPS. Although they have somewhat of a checkered past, it is time for the FBI to take over the investigation.
The FBI can’t find its own a$$ with both hands. Why not find out why it took the Border Patrol to cap the turd. Better yet turn over the investigation to them.
Uvalde is a small town, relatively. Everyone knows everyone. Simple people. It has a large presence of Border Patrol because of its proximity to the border. Local LE's children were killed.
I don't like what I am hearing. How do you fabricate a "school resource officer" that "engaged" the shooter? I think there is a CYA effort going on via the Texas DPS. Although they have somewhat of a checkered past, it is time for the FBI to take over the investigation.
A few local cops went in right away, exchanged shots and got wounded, then fell back and called for reinforcements. Then, the law guys waited an hour for the SWAT team to show up and kill the guy. Local cops in Uvalde don't have body armor or ARs?
Go hole up with your fellow police union buddies, while you listen to the sound of children being slaughtered?
Well, at least these officers went home at the end of their shift.
When is the last time you entered a building to confront an armed foe, got wounded, and stayed in the fight?
I'm guessing you are a high-speed retired SF guy that's booted more than a few doors in your day...
The injured cops, might have had their arm blown in two by the .223 round. No, they are out of the fight. But there were a bunch of other cops, standing around and listening to the sound of children being slaughtered inside, while they awaited the Border Patrol SWAT team. Looks like they waited around for the better part of an hour. Thank God they got to go home at the end of their shift.
Cops ON SCENE, let's say there were five of them, at the four minute mark, needed to assault that classroom and shoot that murderer. I don't care if 4 of those cops got killed, it is their job "to serve and protect."
Truth. They waited for optical equipment, body armor, and hostage negotiators.
Gutless ticket masters.
WOUNDED kids laying and bleeding out for a fughking hour.
it is time for the FBI to take over the investigation.
Um, you mean our current FBI?
The one's who've made so many arrests of elite pedophiles from the extensive collection of Epstein Pedo Island videotapes? What's the arrest count up to now?
it is time for the FBI to take over the investigation.
Um, you mean our current FBI?
The one's who've made so many arrests of elite pedophiles from the extensive collection of Epstein Pedo Island videotapes? What's the arrest count up to now?
It's good to see sarcasm isn't lost on the brain trust.
Uvalde is a small town, relatively. Everyone knows everyone. Simple people. It has a large presence of Border Patrol because of its proximity to the border. Local LE's children were killed.
Any 1st level school room I’ve ever seen has windows on the outside wall. It is said the assistant in the victim room helped some students thru the windows there. How could the earliest responding officers not have taken advantage of this? Seems an obvious observation and firing position affording some level of protection. Could be wrong.
it is time for the FBI to take over the investigation.
Um, you mean our current FBI?
The one's who've made so many arrests of elite pedophiles from the extensive collection of Epstein Pedo Island videotapes? What's the arrest count up to now?
Those FBI cucks are too busy running interference and protecting baby killers like Lon Horiuchi to worry about actually preventing crimes. The only crimes they’re able to prevent are the ones that they manufacture. The only “criminals” those impotent cucks arrest are the idiots they entrap in their manufactured crimes. The FBI has become as useless as the ATF and almost as criminally corrupt as the DEA.
🖕..federal “law enforcement”….impotent and corrupt ass wipes.
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
He can talk chit with the best of them. That is no small thing considering the overall condition of the 'Fire.
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
He can talk chit with the best of them. That is no small thing considering the overall condition of the 'Fire.
Your words prove this country only USED to be made of men and you accept that others are like you and that is no longer the case.
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
He can talk chit with the best of them. That is no small thing considering the overall condition of the 'Fire.
Your words prove this country only USED to be made of men and you accept that others are like you and that is no longer the case.
Do you want to compare DD214's? I'd wager on it, but every knows you are a REnigger.
MOGC and Jakedog, are you saying what those HPD pukes did in standing around and waiting for hostage negotiators would have been an acceptable course of action for you?
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
Better question is WTF is some nobody asking Jag what has he ever done? WTF have you ever done?
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
He can talk chit with the best of them. That is no small thing considering the overall condition of the 'Fire.
Your words prove this country only USED to be made of men and you accept that others are like you and that is no longer the case.
Do you want to compare DD214's? I'd wager on it, but every knows you are a REnigger.
Regardless of what you HAVE done you indicate that you think what they did was ok.
And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting?
1) Deterrence
2) I’m betting an armed teacher stuck inside of the school would grow more courage than those LEOs had real quick. The choice between certain death and probable death is still an easy one.
And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting?
1) Deterrence
2) I’m betting an armed teacher stuck inside of the school would grow more courage than those LEOs had real quick. The choice between certain death and probable death is still an easy one.
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
How many of you have had a 20 or 30 round magazine of 5.56 or 7.62 emptied at you?
At a distance of 100 yards, it would concerning to be on the receiving end. But take that same firepower at just a few feet away, and it would be soul shaking.
There’s a reason sustained fire keeps most peoples heads down behind cover. That’s why one of the basics teaching tenants for receiving fire at a single position, is to not do a quick peek from the same spot you have just looked.
SF and tactical teams have made some nice kill shots on haji and run of the mill bad guys who popped a peek from the same spot twice, only to have their head getting turned into a canoe.
I’m not making any excuses for the LEO on site at Robb Elem. I don’t know what happened. I wasn’t there. The initial reports don’t sound flattering to LE….More to come out for sure.
I give props to the BORTAC team that entered the classroom and engaged the shooter. Room entry is a practiced art form and those who do it the best in the world, still take wounds, or worse doing it.
If my kid was inside that school. I’d have to be pig piled, tased, and cuffed to keep me from going in.
MOGC and Jakedog, are you saying what those HPD pukes did in standing around and waiting for hostage negotiators would have been an acceptable course of action for you?
Nope. What I'm saying is that I don't think you 1] know all the facts yet, or 2] don't understand the facts, or 3] are willingly ignoring the facts. You're like a middle school cheerleader all worked up over a rumor. Just talking chit all worked up into a lather.
Uvalde is a small town, relatively. Everyone knows everyone. Simple people. It has a large presence of Border Patrol because of its proximity to the border. Local LE's children were killed.
A mom of two students at Robb Elementary School says she was handcuffed by officers as the shooter was still inside before she jumped a fence and ran into the school to safely retrieve her children on Tuesday.
Angeli Rose Gomez, a mother of a second-grader and a third-grader, told the Wall Street Journal she drove 40 miles to the Uvalde school and was one of numerous parents begging and yelling at the officers to enter sooner to take out 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos.
After a few minutes, she said, a US Marshall placed her in handcuffs, stating that she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, according to the Journal.
It took almost an hour before Ramos was killed by a specialized US Border Patrol tactical team, authorities said. In that time, he gunned down 19 school children and two teachers.
Gomez recognized a few local Uvalde police officers and convinced them to tell the marshals to remove the cuffs.
Once freed, she distanced herself from the crowd, jumped the school fence, ran inside the school building and grabbed her two children. The three sprinted out of the school together, she said.
Gomez told the Journal she decided to charge the school herself as officers waited outside the building “doing nothing.”
“They were just standing outside the fence,” she said. “They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
Better question is WTF is some nobody asking Jag what has he ever done? WTF have you ever done?
And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting?
1) Deterrence
2) I’m betting an armed teacher stuck inside of the school would grow more courage than those LEOs had real quick. The choice between certain death and probable death is still an easy one.
Yeah. The trained professionals were outside the school. The teachers were inside getting killed.Trained professionals weren’t sitting in the classrooms dying. The children were. When trained professionals aren’t available on the criminals schedule we pretty much have to protect ourselves. Could those 2 teachers speak they’d agree.
And for the crowd that believes more guns is the answer, arm the teachers, it trained professionals can't get it done, do you really expect the full time teachers to be able to do the protecting?
1) Deterrence
2) I’m betting an armed teacher stuck inside of the school would grow more courage than those LEOs had real quick. The choice between certain death and probable death is still an easy one.
Yeah. The trained professionals were outside the school. The teachers were inside getting killed.Trained professionals weren’t sitting in the classrooms dying. The children were. When trained professionals aren’t available on the criminals schedule we pretty much have to protect ourselves. Could those 2 teachers speak they’d agree.
Go make a difference. Save lives. The people need you.
If the official timeline is correct the whole of the Uvalde police department are cowards ! First shots fired and within four minutes the Uvalde police exchanged fire with the killer and then fell back and waited for swat teams and negotiators ! 40 minutes go by while children bled out ! Thank god all the police went home alive and only women and children died…pure cowardice !
And here’s a link of an interview where the police spokesperson explains how they let the children and teachers die because they were afraid of being shot…https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/26/texas-dps-lt-chris-olivarez-explains-law-enforcement-waited-one-hour-to-enter-uvalde-school-because-they-were-afraid-of-being-shot/
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
I would have started shooting cops had my child been in that school and they had been keeping me out of there. It’s that simple. My kid is in a situation like that, I’m going in. If you claim the privilege to utilize state violence on my behalf, then do it. If you choose not to while my child is in danger of death, then you are part of the problem.
If the official timeline is correct the whole of the Uvalde police department are cowards ! First shots fired and within four minutes the Uvalde police exchanged fire with the killer and then fell back and waited for swat teams and negotiators ! 40 minutes go by while children bled out ! Thank god all the police went home alive and only women and children died…pure cowardice !
That's what it's looking like, Dave.
Suffering the second visual migraine in my life now. I'm not mad, exasperated, exercised, pissed off. I'm disgusted. Never thought I would see this schiett. First time in my life I'm ashamed of being a Texan.
I would have started shooting cops had my child been in that school and they had been keeping me out of there. It’s that simple. My kid is in a situation like that, I’m going in. If you claim the privilege to utilize state violence on my behalf, then do it. If you choose not to while my child is in danger of death, then you are part of the problem.
This. I'm betting many cops there are watching their backs.
There are a lot of guys here on the Fire who know what they would have done with a gun. They would have gone after a cowardly kid killer, just like the guy did with s few bullets in his gun when the Texas church shooting went down.
The only difference being we would not have had to extract a gun from a locked safe and THEN had to shove a few cartridges into the magazine when people were getting shot in church across the street.
Honestly, I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to go in there and get shot for someone else’s kids. But if you’re a cop, it’s your job. And if you don’t want to the job, pull off the badge, walk away, and don’t stop someone else from doing it.
In 2001 an event in our country completely changed our lives. Afterward if you were a cop or a firefighter you couldn’t buy a drink. The fire side lost 343 that day. I believe the various police agencies lost around 150. The reason I can remember fire is because I am or was then a career firefighter. Had a lot of police buddies, still do. No one called them cowards then. What have we become.
In 2001 an event in our country completely changed our lives. Afterward if you were a cop or a firefighter you couldn’t buy a drink. The fire side lost 343 that day. I believe the various police agencies lost around 150. The reason I can remember fire is because I am or was then a career firefighter. Had a lot of police buddies, still do. No one called them cowards then. What have we become.
Because they actually did heroic stuff that day, not cowardly bullshit like they did in Uvalde. The fault is not with people calling cowards cowards, it’s with the cowards.
In 2001 an event in our country completely changed our lives. Afterward if you were a cop or a firefighter you couldn’t buy a drink. The fire side lost 343 that day. I believe the various police agencies lost around 150. The reason I can remember fire is because I am or was then a career firefighter. Had a lot of police buddies, still do. No one called them cowards then. What have we become.
Some have become cowards. How else do you describe what they didnt do in Uvalde.
In 2001 an event in our country completely changed our lives. Afterward if you were a cop or a firefighter you couldn’t buy a drink. The fire side lost 343 that day. I believe the various police agencies lost around 150. The reason I can remember fire is because I am or was then a career firefighter. Had a lot of police buddies, still do. No one called them cowards then. What have we become.
Because they actually did heroic stuff that day, not cowardly bullshit like they did in Uvalde. The fault is not with people calling cowards cowards, it’s with the cowards.
You miss my point, the whole country had changed including the police. This is the new normal. Our Air Force just canceled a drag fashion show at an air base. The next one won’t get canceled I bet. But those guys were heroes in 2001. And they knew at some point they weren’t coming home and still went up.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
In 2001 an event in our country completely changed our lives. Afterward if you were a cop or a firefighter you couldn’t buy a drink. The fire side lost 343 that day. I believe the various police agencies lost around 150. The reason I can remember fire is because I am or was then a career firefighter. Had a lot of police buddies, still do. No one called them cowards then. What have we become.
Because they actually did heroic stuff that day, not cowardly bullshit like they did in Uvalde. The fault is not with people calling cowards cowards, it’s with the cowards.
You miss my point, the whole country had changed including the police. This is the new normal. Our Air Force just canceled a drag fashion show at an air base. The next one won’t get canceled I bet. But those guys were heroes in 2001. And they knew at some point they weren’t coming home and still went up.
In 2001 an event in our country completely changed our lives. Afterward if you were a cop or a firefighter you couldn’t buy a drink. The fire side lost 343 that day. I believe the various police agencies lost around 150. The reason I can remember fire is because I am or was then a career firefighter. Had a lot of police buddies, still do. No one called them cowards then. What have we become.
Because they actually did heroic stuff that day, not cowardly bullshit like they did in Uvalde. The fault is not with people calling cowards cowards, it’s with the cowards.
You miss my point, the whole country had changed including the police. This is the new normal. Our Air Force just canceled a drag fashion show at an air base. The next one won’t get canceled I bet. But those guys were heroes in 2001. And they new at some point they weren’t coming home and still went up.
Well, like I said in 1966 when Charles Whitman started shooting people from the tower in Austin, people got deer rifles and started shooting back. It undoubtedly saved lives. The cops didn’t try to stop them and the couldn’t have if they had tried. The cops and the people cooperated to stop the threat.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
Most of what you are describing is mental illness. What did you do for a living? Nobody knows what anyone is going to do until it happens to them. Lots of cops never shoot anyone some hardly clear leather. Tackleburys rarely get hired or promoted. Ex military types are usually solid if they can get hired. I had a cop friend tell me half the rookies were never in a fight in their lives before getting hired.
Most of what you are describing is mental illness. What did you do for a living? Nobody knows what anyone is going to do until it happens to them. Lots of cops never shoot anyone some hardly clear leather. Tackleburys rarely get hired or promoted. Ex military types are usually solid if they can get hired. I had a cop friend tell me half the rookies were never in a fight in their lives before getting hired.
He was an eyeglass salesman who dreamed of the ultimate hunt....humans. LOL
In 2001 an event in our country completely changed our lives. Afterward if you were a cop or a firefighter you couldn’t buy a drink. The fire side lost 343 that day. I believe the various police agencies lost around 150. The reason I can remember fire is because I am or was then a career firefighter. Had a lot of police buddies, still do. No one called them cowards then. What have we become.
Because they actually did heroic stuff that day, not cowardly bullshit like they did in Uvalde. The fault is not with people calling cowards cowards, it’s with the cowards.
You miss my point, the whole country had changed including the police. This is the new normal. Our Air Force just canceled a drag fashion show at an air base. The next one won’t get canceled I bet. But those guys were heroes in 2001. And they new at some point they weren’t coming home and still went up.
Well, like I said in 1966 when Charles Whitman started shooting people from the tower in Austin, people got deer rifles and started shooting back. It undoubtedly saved lives. The cops didn’t try to stop them and the couldn’t have if they had tried. The cops and the people cooperated to stop the threat.
Yep. He was dodging bullets from a quarter mile and more away.
Here, as the news said, brave and vested cops were getting kids out of (uninvolved) rooms.
Most of what you are describing is mental illness. What did you do for a living? Nobody knows what anyone is going to do until it happens to them. Lots of cops never shoot anyone some hardly clear leather. Tackleburys rarely get hired or promoted. Ex military types are usually solid if they can get hired. I had a cop friend tell me half the rookies were never in a fight in their lives before getting hired.
He was an eyeglass salesman who dreamed of the ultimate hunt....humans. LOL
I was a glaucoma specialist who was honored by the Alcon Pharmaceuticals as one of the states foremost ocular disease medical practitioners.
But I much prefer you, as lieberal corksuckers do, continue to bear false witness. I love it.
If I didnt, I wouldnt be out jerking the chain of you and your corksucking commie crew.
You're too freaking stupid to see I thrive on it.
You dont see it because, like Jell0, you're so FOS its above your eyeballs.
Come on, always outdoors. Were is that great eyeball meme?
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
Just when I think you can't be more of an imbecile, you prove me wrong.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
Agreed. Someone needs a medication adjustment. They also need to step away from the keyboard until that happens.
Problem is many officers as well as Im sure a vast majority of these keyboard commando posters dont realize they dont actually have the fortitude to do what needs done until it actually needs to be done because this is the first time they faced such a situation in reality.
If you've never actually been in a gunfight etc you have no way of knowing how you will react, function, etc.
Every officer and civilan gun carrier likes to envision themselves as the good guy with a gun who ends the bad guy, but FEW actually train realistically to be able to do so, let alone have actual gunfight experience to know how they will perform. Id wager a vast majority couldnt function let alone hit the broadside of a barn under the stress of a real life two way gun battle. Consider the number of rounds fired by "trained" police officers vs the number of hits in alot of officer involved shootings. Now replace the officers with some civilian who only practices shooting stationary paper targets at the range from their Weaver stance. A good example was on that video of the church shooting a few years back where the fat old guy jumped up and fumbled his draw attempt and ate a load of 00 from the perp before the other church member brained the perp with a single well aimed 357 Sig round.
In no way condoning or excusing the alleged actions of the PD in this case, just injecting some real world reality.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
I just had lunch with a young man yesterday, former student, 19yo, in the Army, been through jump school. Every young man seeking out combat arms is doing it for a reason.
Most of what you are describing is mental illness. What did you do for a living? Nobody knows what anyone is going to do until it happens to them. Lots of cops never shoot anyone some hardly clear leather. Tackleburys rarely get hired or promoted. Ex military types are usually solid if they can get hired. I had a cop friend tell me half the rookies were never in a fight in their lives before getting hired.
He was an eyeglass salesman who dreamed of the ultimate hunt....humans. LOL
I was a glaucoma specialist who was honored by the Alcon Pharmaceuticals as one of the states foremost ocular disease medical practitioners.
But I much prefer you, as lieberal corksuckers do, continue to bear false witness. I love it.
If I didnt, I wouldnt be out jerking the chain of you and your corksucking commie crew.
You're too freaking stupid to see I thrive on it.
You dont see it because, like Jell0, you're so FOS its above your eyeballs.
Come on, always outdoors. Were is that great eyeball meme?
Right, you are a c*nt that hasn't done f*ck all and knows nothing about being a man. SOB can't even honor a bet.
Their is a really old saying in the Army and in the other branches of the military I'm pretty sure. Pretty sure many have heard it. Really applies to alot of scopes of people who are in the business of public trust and defending the public and not just the military.
In the absence of orders or fugged up conflicting orders, or even when you dont know what to do in a rapidly developing or totally changing situation. Any action is better than inaction.
99 times out of 100 you will not be wrong for doing it no matter what you were told or was planned.
Their is a really old saying in the Army and in the other branches of the military I'm pretty sure. Pretty sure many have heard it. Really applies to alot of scopes of people who are in the business of public trust and defending the public and not just the military.
In the absence of orders or fugged up conflicting orders, or even when you dont know what to do in a rapidly developing or totally changing situation. Any action is better than inaction.
99 times out of 100 you will not be wrong for doing it no matter what you were told or was planned.
"Go to the sound of the Gunfire"
Yes sir. I told my guys I will always have your back, but you have to make a decision. It doesn't matter if it was the one I would have made, just make one.
A good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow. ACT
Their is a really old saying in the Army and in the other branches of the military I'm pretty sure. Pretty sure many have heard it. Really applies to alot of scopes of people who are in the business of public trust and defending the public and not just the military.
In the absence of orders or fugged up conflicting orders, or even when you dont know what to do in a rapidly developing or totally changing situation. Any action is better than inaction.
99 times out of 100 you will not be wrong for doing it no matter what you were told or was planned.
PB: You and I agree here. One doesn't know for sure what they would do until faced with it.
Bullschitt
Exactly. I know what I'd do. I'd go in. Worst that could happen is that I'd die and I welcome that
Yep, you and many others would for sure. Many have done so before and without stopping to think about it, like the guy who stopped the church shooter in Texas in 2017.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yep, you and many others would for sure. Many have done so before and without stopping to think about it, like the guy who stopped the church shooter in Texas in 2017.
The guy who shot the Sutherland Springs church shooter shot the shooter in the parking lot after the massacre. He didn't go in.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
And I’ll bet damned near every parent, unlike those cops out there, would have gladly taken the chance of a bullet in the head from the shooter in order to possibly save a kid or two. As for getting shot by the cops, wasn’t much chance of that. They weren’t doing anything.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
All I'm saying is go make a difference. Those children need you. Aren't they important enough?
Save lives, make a difference. Selfless service.
The truth is you don't know what happened because you weren't there. How was the door barricaded? Was a breaching tool needed to make entry? Where were the officers that initially engaged the suspect wounded?
But put your money where your mouth is and go DO instead of yapping.
It’s exactly like airplane hijackings post 9/11. Before 9/11 the advice was to sit still, wait for the hijacker to make his demands, and hope to get out alive. Post 9/11 you may as well fight the hijackers tooth and nail because they are going to crash you into a building anyway.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
All I'm saying is go make a difference. Those children need you. Aren't they important enough?
Save lives, make a difference. Selfless service.
The truth is you don't know what happened because you weren't there. How was the door barricaded? Was a breaching tool needed to make entry? Where were the officers that initially engaged the suspect wounded?
But put your money where your mouth is and go DO instead of yapping.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
That’s the problem with gammas like you. Always looking to make a point over accepting common sense. Such a passive aggressive bitch.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
That’s the problem with gammas like you. Always looking to make a point over accepting common sense. Such a passive aggressive bitch.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
And I’ll bet damned near every parent, unlike those cops out there, would have gladly taken the chance of a bullet in the head from the shooter in order to possibly save a kid or two. As for getting shot by the cops, wasn’t much chance of that. They weren’t doing anything.
You don't know what they were doing. You are speculating.
No, they didn't go in right away and kill him, but they did engage the shooter and kept him pinned down in one classroom, and evacuated students out of other classrooms. The first two cops at 4 minutes in were wounded engaging the shooter.
This isn't a big, one building school house. It's several buildings in a complex of classrooms.
The shooter was contained in one of them so he couldn't enter others and kill more.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
And I’ll bet damned near every parent, unlike those cops out there, would have gladly taken the chance of a bullet in the head from the shooter in order to possibly save a kid or two. As for getting shot by the cops, wasn’t much chance of that. They weren’t doing anything.
You don't know what they were doing. You are speculating.
No, they didn't go in right away, but they did engage the shooter and kept him pinned down in one classroom, and evacuated students out of other classrooms.
This isn't a big, one building school house. It's several buildings in a complex of classrooms.
The shooter was contained in one of them so he couldn't enter others and kill more.
Maybe so. But there were kids who were alive and hiding in there the entire time. It appears that he was periodically finding them and killing them during that lull. And it is almost a sure thing that there were some kids who might have survived after being shot had they bled out for more than an hour.
Just stop with all this sheepdog bullschit and quit pretending cops do much more than gather revenue for the state and enforce government edicts.
People in cities all over the country couldn’t count on them to stop rampaging mobs from burning their property over the last few years. They’ll arrest whomever they are told to arrest even when they know it is wrong. And they won’t save your kid.
When it comes down to it things are no different than they ever were. You, and your friends and neighbors are responsible for your own safety. Except now in the modern administrative state, you’ll likely have a cop opposing you when it’s actually time to do it.
Maybe so. But there were kids who were alive and hiding in there the entire time. It appears that he was periodically finding them and killing them during that lull. And it is almost a sure thing that there were some kids who might have survived after being shot had they bled out for more than an hour.
Probably so. And I hate that. I hate it for the kids and the parents. And the police there too.
One deputy lost his daughter. One of the teachers killed was the wife of one of the SRO's.
It's not like they didn't have skin in the game.
Maybe, if there's any sort of positive that comes from this, changes can be made, and training and operational procedures can keep losses to a minimum in future events.
But, more than likely, the idiots who run entirely on emotion will try and pass major gun control. Which won't stop a damn thing.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
I'm not going to speculate on what did or did not happen in Uvalde that day.
But I'm not speculating when I say that JoeBob is correct.
Active Shooter training is standardized and not department specific. If you've had it, you know that you are supposed to engage immediately and wait on no thing and no person.
Just stop with all this sheepdog bullschit and quit pretending cops do much more than gather revenue for the state and enforce government edicts.
People in cities all over the country couldn’t count on them to stop rampaging mobs from burning their property over the last few years. They’ll arrest whomever they are told to arrest even when they know it is wrong. And they won’t save your kid.
When it comes down to it things are no different than they ever were. You, and your friends and neighbors are responsible for your own safety. Except now in the modern administrative state, you’ll likely have a cop opposing you when it’s actually time to do it.
Maybe so. But there were kids who were alive and hiding in there the entire time. It appears that he was periodically finding them and killing them during that lull. And it is almost a sure thing that there were some kids who might have survived after being shot had they bled out for more than an hour.
Probably so. And I hate that. I hate it for the kids and the parents. And the police there too.
One deputy lost his daughter. One of the teachers killed was the wife of one of the SRO's.
It's not like they didn't have skin in the game.
Maybe, if there's any sort of positive that comes from this, changes can be made, and training and operational procedures can keep losses to a minimum in future events.
But, more than likely, the idiots who run entirely on emotion will try and pass major gun control. Which won't stop a damn thing.
It appears to be shaping up that the police didn't follow current training and operational procedures. If that is the case then I don't see what changes need to be made. One of the operational procedures that wasn't followed and confirmed by the Texas DPS was the door to the school wasn't locked. That is a major problem and that falls on someone's head.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
I'm not going to speculate on what did or did not happen in Uvalde that day.
But I'm not speculating when I say that JoeBob is correct.
Active Shooter training is standardized and not department specific. If you've had it, you know that you are supposed to engage immediately and wait on no thing and no person.
Period.
I've been through multiple active shooter trainings.
I know what should have been done. However I don't know what occurred that day, as I wasn't there.
It's also laughable that some couch riding never did anything, who damn sure isn't willing to give there life for a stranger, biatchs about what he himself knows he couldn't and wouldn't do. That's obvious as he is even too cowardly to say "no I dontbwant that schiet job"....
But let's keep the clueless Monday morning quarterbacking going, it's super productive.
Just stop with all this sheepdog bullschit and quit pretending cops do much more than gather revenue for the state and enforce government edicts.
People in cities all over the country couldn’t count on them to stop rampaging mobs from burning their property over the last few years. They’ll arrest whomever they are told to arrest even when they know it is wrong. And they won’t save your kid.
When it comes down to it things are no different than they ever were. You, and your friends and neighbors are responsible for your own safety. Except now in the modern administrative state, you’ll likely have a cop opposing you when it’s actually time to do it.
Deflave is right. After Columbine we trained in the wedge formation. After a few years that went by the wayside. It is now first man there go in and engage the threat. They learned that most active school shooters commit suicide when confronted by an armed determined good guy (LEO or Civilian). That’s how we trained. Even when I was undercover I carried my vest with Police on the front and back and extra magazines in the trunk of my plain car. For just such an emergency. Not sure what happened exactly in Uvalde, but as a man I can’t imagine not going in toward the sound of gunfire.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
I'm not going to speculate on what did or did not happen in Uvalde that day.
But I'm not speculating when I say that JoeBob is correct.
Active Shooter training is standardized and not department specific. If you've had it, you know that you are supposed to engage immediately and wait on no thing and no person.
Period.
I've been through multiple active shooter trainings.
I know what should have been done. However I don't know what occurred that day, as I wasn't there.
It's also laughable that some couch riding never did anything, who damn sure isn't willing to give there life for a stranger, biatchs about what he himself knows he couldn't and wouldn't do. That's obvious as he is even too cowardly to say "no I dontbwant that schiet job"....
But let's keep the clueless Monday morning quarterbacking going, it's super productive.
Pretty obvious there were about 40 couch riders who weren't gonna risk anything for those kids.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
I'm not going to speculate on what did or did not happen in Uvalde that day.
But I'm not speculating when I say that JoeBob is correct.
Active Shooter training is standardized and not department specific. If you've had it, you know that you are supposed to engage immediately and wait on no thing and no person.
Period.
I've been through multiple active shooter trainings.
I know what should have been done. However I don't know what occurred that day, as I wasn't there.
It's also laughable that some couch riding never did anything, who damn sure isn't willing to give there life for a stranger, biatchs about what he himself knows he couldn't and wouldn't do. That's obvious as he is even too cowardly to say "no I dontbwant that schiet job"....
But let's keep the clueless Monday morning quarterbacking going, it's super productive.
Just stop with all this sheepdog bullschit and quit pretending cops do much more than gather revenue for the state and enforce government edicts.
People in cities all over the country couldn’t count on them to stop rampaging mobs from burning their property over the last few years. They’ll arrest whomever they are told to arrest even when they know it is wrong. And they won’t save your kid.
When it comes down to it things are no different than they ever were. You, and your friends and neighbors are responsible for your own safety. Except now in the modern administrative state, you’ll likely have a cop opposing you when it’s actually time to do it.
With all the school shootings, you don’t wait. You don’t set up a perimeter. You rush to the shooter and if he kills you, that’s a couple of bullets that won’t be going into kids. You do it until you get him and you don’t wait. There are more kids who could be shot and there are kids bleeding out who could be saved.
See, the kids need your expertise. Go make a difference.
I'm not going to speculate on what did or did not happen in Uvalde that day.
But I'm not speculating when I say that JoeBob is correct.
Active Shooter training is standardized and not department specific. If you've had it, you know that you are supposed to engage immediately and wait on no thing and no person.
Period.
I've been through multiple active shooter trainings.
I know what should have been done. However I don't know what occurred that day, as I wasn't there.
It's also laughable that some couch riding never did anything, who damn sure isn't willing to give there life for a stranger, biatchs about what he himself knows he couldn't and wouldn't do. That's obvious as he is even too cowardly to say "no I dontbwant that schiet job"....
But let's keep the clueless Monday morning quarterbacking going, it's super productive.
Your response to what I wrote makes no sense.
You sound like a kghunt.
Ok LT.
Perhaps you know exactly what happened. I don't. I know what my training is to do.
If officers that weren't wounded didn't do what they were trained to do, that is unsatisfactory, and should be dealt with.
But I have not seen an official AAR.
For those that are outraged, go make a difference in your community and change things.
Perhaps you know exactly what happened. I don't. I know what my training is to do.
If officers that weren't wounded didn't do what they were trained to do, that is unsatisfactory, and should be dealt with.
But I have not seen an official AAR.
For those that are outraged, go make a difference in your community and change things.
Thanks for the double-tap of stupidity.
Once again your response has nothing to do with what I wrote.
You sound like a kghunt.
You're welcome lieutenant.
As I said, if the officers did not do what they were trained to do, assuming they've had active shooter training, they were wrong and should be held accountable.
But you don't know what they were trained or what happened. Or do you?
As I said, if the officers did not do what they were trained to do, assuming they've had active shooter training, they were wrong and should be held accountable.
But you don't know what they were trained or what happened. Or do you?
You don't read very well and continue to sound like a raging kghunt.
If you wear a uniform you should adjust yourself accordingly.
All I can say from having watched the videos, if all the LEOs in the parking lot who had tactical vests and AR15s and were busy wrestling the parents, had instead rushed the shooter, I suspect it would have been over quite a bit sooner.
All I can say from having watched the videos, if all the LEOs in the parking lot who had tactical vests and AR15s and were busy wrestling the parents, had instead rushed the shooter, I suspect it would have been over quite a bit sooner.
Perhaps you know exactly what happened. I don't. I know what my training is to do.
If officers that weren't wounded didn't do what they were trained to do, that is unsatisfactory, and should be dealt with.
But I have not seen an official AAR.
For those that are outraged, go make a difference in your community and change things.
Thanks for the double-tap of stupidity.
Once again your response has nothing to do with what I wrote.
You sound like a kghunt.
You're welcome lieutenant.
As I said, if the officers did not do what they were trained to do, assuming they've had active shooter training, they were wrong and should be held accountable.
But you don't know what they were trained or what happened. Or do you?
Honestly, why is anyone even trying to frame this in regards to ‘training’, etc. Active Killer training has been formalized for years, but it’s kinda irrelevant: is someone is shooting in a school (or anywhere else) you go to gunfire and eliminate the threat.
Perhaps you know exactly what happened. I don't. I know what my training is to do.
If officers that weren't wounded didn't do what they were trained to do, that is unsatisfactory, and should be dealt with.
But I have not seen an official AAR.
For those that are outraged, go make a difference in your community and change things.
Thanks for the double-tap of stupidity.
Once again your response has nothing to do with what I wrote.
You sound like a kghunt.
You're welcome lieutenant.
As I said, if the officers did not do what they were trained to do, assuming they've had active shooter training, they were wrong and should be held accountable.
But you don't know what they were trained or what happened. Or do you?
Honestly, why is anyone even trying to frame this in regards to ‘training’, etc. Active Killer training has been formalized for years, but it’s kinda irrelevant: is someone is shooting in a school (or anywhere else) you go to gunfire and eliminate the threat.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
Agreed. Someone needs a medication adjustment. They also need to step away from the keyboard until that happens.
My friend is the guy who lived for combat and still would if he was physically able. These days he struggles to walk to his mailbox. 100% medically disabled in combat and was trying to fake his physical to go back “home” to Afghanistan. He’d be in Ukraine right now if he could. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet and a fanatic father but he’d do anything to go back to war. There are plenty of guys who live for combat and love to kill people.
Perhaps you know exactly what happened. I don't. I know what my training is to do.
If officers that weren't wounded didn't do what they were trained to do, that is unsatisfactory, and should be dealt with.
But I have not seen an official AAR.
For those that are outraged, go make a difference in your community and change things.
Thanks for the double-tap of stupidity.
Once again your response has nothing to do with what I wrote.
You sound like a kghunt.
You're welcome lieutenant.
As I said, if the officers did not do what they were trained to do, assuming they've had active shooter training, they were wrong and should be held accountable.
But you don't know what they were trained or what happened. Or do you?
Honestly, why is anyone even trying to frame this in regards to ‘training’, etc. Active Killer training has been formalized for years, but it’s kinda irrelevant: is someone is shooting in a school (or anywhere else) you go to gunfire and eliminate the threat.
Anything else is unacceptable.
I agree, however (as the resident LT knows) if the department did not provide their officers proper training, I doubt they will be able to terminate the cowardly officers.
Anyone know how many sworn officers Uvalde has? At 16k residents I'd be surprised if it's more than 20. Small departments are kind of notorious for little to no training and less than ideal hiring standards.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
Agreed. Someone needs a medication adjustment. They also need to step away from the keyboard until that happens.
My friend is the guy who lived for combat and still would if he was physically able. These days he struggles to walk to his mailbox. 100% medically disabled in combat and was trying to fake his physical to go back “home” to Afghanistan. He’d be in Ukraine right now if he could. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet and a fanatic father but he’d do anything to go back to war. There are plenty of guys who live for combat and love to kill people.
Yeah...those Mercenaries in Africa hated fighting and killing.
All I can say from having watched the videos, if all the LEOs in the parking lot who had tactical vests and AR15s and were busy wrestling the parents, had instead rushed the shooter, I suspect it would have been over quite a bit sooner.
Originally Posted by TimZ
All I can say from having watched the videos, if all the LEOs in the parking lot who had tactical vests and AR15s and were busy wrestling the parents, had instead rushed the shooter, I suspect it would have been over quite a bit sooner.
Yes , do your job or change career ! Pretty simple ..................
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
Agreed. Someone needs a medication adjustment. They also need to step away from the keyboard until that happens.
My friend is the guy who lived for combat and still would if he was physically able. These days he struggles to walk to his mailbox. 100% medically disabled in combat and was trying to fake his physical to go back “home” to Afghanistan. He’d be in Ukraine right now if he could. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet and a fanatic father but he’d do anything to go back to war. There are plenty of guys who live for combat and love to kill people.
Yeah...those Mercenaries in Africa hated fighting and killing.
Just hated it.
Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed Communists"
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
He can talk chit with the best of them.
I'll bet you $1,000 I can talk sh*t better than him. LMAO.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
Agreed. Someone needs a medication adjustment. They also need to step away from the keyboard until that happens.
My friend is the guy who lived for combat and still would if he was physically able. These days he struggles to walk to his mailbox. 100% medically disabled in combat and was trying to fake his physical to go back “home” to Afghanistan. He’d be in Ukraine right now if he could. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet and a fanatic father but he’d do anything to go back to war. There are plenty of guys who live for combat and love to kill people.
You do not recognize that as aberrant? As insane? As are their civilian counterparts who take it to the streets!
How is your friend any different from the "beltway sniper" other than the fact he is careful to avoid breaking any laws?
This might have been mentioned before but last night on Fox they said this was the 27th school shooting this year. Where's all the talk on the others?
Probably because they happen in big city, minority, democrat schools.
It is not going to make the news if they can not call the perp a "White Supremicist".
Zimmerman screwed up their narrative when it was discovered the guy with the European name was Hispanic.
Uvalde would have never made the national news, but for the scope of the tragedy. And even now they are attempting to portray the perp as "White Hispanic".
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
Agreed. Someone needs a medication adjustment. They also need to step away from the keyboard until that happens.
My friend is the guy who lived for combat and still would if he was physically able. These days he struggles to walk to his mailbox. 100% medically disabled in combat and was trying to fake his physical to go back “home” to Afghanistan. He’d be in Ukraine right now if he could. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet and a fanatic father but he’d do anything to go back to war. There are plenty of guys who live for combat and love to kill people.
You do not recognize that as aberrant? As insane? As are their civilian counterparts who take it to the streets!
How is your friend any different from the "beltway sniper" other than the fact he is careful to avoid breaking any laws?
My friend is the necessary pointy end of the spear. A true warrior. From your postings it’s obvious that you couldn’t tell the difference.
And it was a parent who killed the murderer ! https://m.theepochtimes.com/off-dut...ghter-after-wife-texts-help_4493584.html An off-duty Texas Border Patrol agent rushed into Robb Elementary School with a shotgun and rescued several-dozen children and his daughter during a mass shooting on Tuesday after his wife sent him a text message.
Jacob Albarado told the New York Times that he was getting a haircut when he received a message from his wife, a fourth-grade teacher at the school in Uvalde.
“There’s an active shooter,” she wrote, according to Albarado. “Help,” she sent, adding: “I love you.”
Albarado said he got out of his seat and took the barber’s shotgun to the school. His daughter, who went to the school, was locked inside a bathroom while his wife hid underneath desks with students, he told the outlet.
People pay big money hunting bull elephants, big bears, African lions hoping for a chance to stand up to the danger of the danger.
What could be more invigorating and challenging than going up against the most dangerous game and all for a good reason.
There is a reason many rock climb and jump off cliffs under a big kite. They have no reason to do so other than the thrill of the challenge
There is a reason more than money many are mercenaries for Zelensky in Ukraine.
What could be more thrilling and exhilarating and nerve tingling than going up against an armed killer. That would be the pentultimate challenge and all for a good excuse.
It would be for many, worth dying for.
The ultimate big game.
That is absolutely the stupidest schitt I have ever read in my life. Looking for a chance to kill humans for an adrenaline rush? Absolutely ignorant!
Taking care of a terrible, terrible chore as a Cop, or Soldier, or defender of one's family is another matter. and not one any sane man looks forward to.
To compare the taking of human life to the excitement of a big game hunt........I am at a loss for words. But the gun grabbers LOVE such content.
Agreed. Someone needs a medication adjustment. They also need to step away from the keyboard until that happens.
My friend is the guy who lived for combat and still would if he was physically able. These days he struggles to walk to his mailbox. 100% medically disabled in combat and was trying to fake his physical to go back “home” to Afghanistan. He’d be in Ukraine right now if he could. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet and a fanatic father but he’d do anything to go back to war. There are plenty of guys who live for combat and love to kill people.
You do not recognize that as aberrant? As insane? As are their civilian counterparts who take it to the streets!
How is your friend any different from the "beltway sniper" other than the fact he is careful to avoid breaking any laws?
I wouldn’t say the guy is anything like the Beltway Sniper, or any other person who takes a weapon to harm innocent people.
Sounds like the man loved war. I’d bet money he would have preferred to die in battle and carried home on his shield, instead of suffering a military career ending wound.
I also knew a guy, a former SF Operator who was working for our spooks, doing dirt in places that needed people just like him to send a message to the enemy anonymously.
He loved doing it, and he died shortly after coming back from what looked to be his last mission. He too wanted to die in battle, and from all his wounds. He tried really hard to make it happen.
I have nothing but respect for the warriors. They are certainly a different breed of a men. But they are needed.
Perhaps you know exactly what happened. I don't. I know what my training is to do.
If officers that weren't wounded didn't do what they were trained to do, that is unsatisfactory, and should be dealt with.
But I have not seen an official AAR.
For those that are outraged, go make a difference in your community and change things.
Thanks for the double-tap of stupidity.
Once again your response has nothing to do with what I wrote.
You sound like a kghunt.
You're welcome lieutenant.
As I said, if the officers did not do what they were trained to do, assuming they've had active shooter training, they were wrong and should be held accountable.
But you don't know what they were trained or what happened. Or do you?
Honestly, why is anyone even trying to frame this in regards to ‘training’, etc. Active Killer training has been formalized for years, but it’s kinda irrelevant: is someone is shooting in a school (or anywhere else) you go to gunfire and eliminate the threat.
Anything else is unacceptable.
I agree, however (as the resident LT knows) if the department did not provide their officers proper training, I doubt they will be able to terminate the cowardly officers.
Anyone know how many sworn officers Uvalde has? At 16k residents I'd be surprised if it's more than 20. Small departments are kind of notorious for little to no training and less than ideal hiring standards.
I can think of several policies off the top of my head which I'd use to terminate......assuming I don't get capped inside the school since they'll be racing me to get there If the labor board orders them rehired, they'll come to work every single day knowing that I'm working on their exit .
where it applies to long-term and a full response standloint, I agree. The investigation should proceed and appropriate action should be taken at multiple levels.
From both a personal and professional standpoint, right now, the only question i have is: Did EVERY responding cop go directly to the threat (I'll make exceptions for units held outside under direction of the scene commander for perimeter, etc once sufficient entry was made) until it was confirmed that the threat(s) was terminated? If the answer is 'no', than its excuses and bullshit.
I know this isn't 'my area ' of the Nation, but that shouldn't matter. If someone isn't willing to enter a building to stop the killing of innocents, they shouldn't pin on a badge.
If it is determined that I'm interpreting this response wrong, you'll be the first I apologize to. I just can't accept that any copper could live with themselves for standing by.
where it applies to long-term and a full response standloint, I agree. The investigation should proceed and appropriate action should be taken at multiple levels.
From both a personal and professional standpoint, right now, the only question i have is: Did EVERY responding cop go directly to the threat (I'll make exceptions for units held outside under direction of the scene commander for perimeter, etc once sufficient entry was made) until it was confirmed that the threat(s) was terminated? If the answer is 'no', than its excuses and bullshit.
I know this isn't 'my area ' of the Nation, but that shouldn't matter. If someone isn't willing to enter a building to stop the killing of innocents, they shouldn't pin on a badge.
If it is determined that I'm interpreting this response wrong, you'll be the first I apologize to. I just can't accept that any copper could live with themselves for standing by.
From where I sit, it seems like whoever was the scene commander, whether it was the Uvalde Police Chief, the Sheriff, or DPS.... whoever it was... SHOULD have put together enough force from the cops there, and stormed the building.
where it applies to long-term and a full response standloint, I agree. The investigation should proceed and appropriate action should be taken at multiple levels.
From both a personal and professional standpoint, right now, the only question i have is: Did EVERY responding cop go directly to the threat (I'll make exceptions for units held outside under direction of the scene commander for perimeter, etc once sufficient entry was made) until it was confirmed that the threat(s) was terminated? If the answer is 'no', than its excuses and bullshit.
I know this isn't 'my area ' of the Nation, but that shouldn't matter. If someone isn't willing to enter a building to stop the killing of innocents, they shouldn't pin on a badge.
If it is determined that I'm interpreting this response wrong, you'll be the first I apologize to. I just can't accept that any copper could live with themselves for standing by.
From where I sit, it seems like whoever was the scene commander, whether it was the Uvalde Police Chief, the Sheriff, or DPS.... whoever it was... SHOULD have put together enough force from the cops there, and stormed the building.
Time is not your friend in those situations.
If any of those ranking officers were even close to the first at the school, they should have been inside trying to kill the shooter. there is no 'enough for entry ' anymore. In my current position, I'm within two miles from.any of 'my' schools if I'm trapped at the PD. it's highly unlikely any other copper is going to beat me to an incident there The Fire Chief already knows he has immediate command, because I'm going to be hunting. That is the only acceptable answer from my perspective.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
i know why they are clsoed and contained. in this instance every action the cops took was wrong. and youre wrong for sucking their dick.
evey second of active shooter training i have been through is go forward, and neutralize the threat.
those of you compllaining about policy and command orders can also suck a dick. fire me afterwards. i ok with that. im not ok with letting some makiac contionue to kill kids when i have the means to stop him.
Training has nothing to do with going towards a threat like that. You do it because it has to be done. Training is something that might help you survive a situation like that, but lack of “training” should not be an excuse to not go towards the threat.
for years active shooter training has been simple: First on scene grab someone if you can and run to the active shooter. There's no asking for permission from your supv and no special hand signals, no ninja room clearing etc. .
The tactics all changed after Columbine over 20 years ago.
Still waiting for full report and all mistakes made
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by JoeBob
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
i know why they are clsoed and contained. in this instance every action the cops took was wrong. and youre wrong for sucking their dick.
evey second of active shooter training i have been through is go forward, and neutralize the threat.
those of you compllaining about policy and command orders can also suck a dick. fire me afterwards. i ok with that. im not ok with letting some makiac contionue to kill kids when i have the means to stop him.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
i know why they are clsoed and contained. in this instance every action the cops took was wrong. and youre wrong for sucking their dick.
evey second of active shooter training i have been through is go forward, and neutralize the threat.
those of you compllaining about policy and command orders can also suck a dick. fire me afterwards. i ok with that. im not ok with letting some makiac contionue to kill kids when i have the means to stop him.
I agree that something should have been done sooner.
But my believing no bystanders should be allowed into an active shooter scene doesn't make me be "sucking their dick".
Yep, you and many others would for sure. Many have done so before and without stopping to think about it, like the guy who stopped the church shooter in Texas in 2017.
The guy who shot the Sutherland Springs church shooter shot the shooter in the parking lot after the massacre. He didn't go in.
I commend him though.
Yes, but iirc he was headed for the gunfire when the shooter came out.
A hwy chase ensued and iirc the hero was down to the last one of his 3 cartridges.
I dont think he knew when running toward the church as fast as he could that the shooter was going to come out. Its reasonable to expect he planned on going in for him.
Perhaps you know exactly what happened. I don't. I know what my training is to do.
If officers that weren't wounded didn't do what they were trained to do, that is unsatisfactory, and should be dealt with.
But I have not seen an official AAR.
For those that are outraged, go make a difference in your community and change things.
Thanks for the double-tap of stupidity.
Once again your response has nothing to do with what I wrote.
You sound like a kghunt.
You're welcome lieutenant.
As I said, if the officers did not do what they were trained to do, assuming they've had active shooter training, they were wrong and should be held accountable.
But you don't know what they were trained or what happened. Or do you?
Honestly, why is anyone even trying to frame this in regards to ‘training’, etc. Active Killer training has been formalized for years, but it’s kinda irrelevant: is someone is shooting in a school (or anywhere else) you go to gunfire and eliminate the threat.
Anything else is unacceptable.
I agree, however (as the resident LT knows) if the department did not provide their officers proper training, I doubt they will be able to terminate the cowardly officers.
Anyone know how many sworn officers Uvalde has? At 16k residents I'd be surprised if it's more than 20. Small departments are kind of notorious for little to no training and less than ideal hiring standards.
I can think of several policies off the top of my head which I'd use to terminate......assuming I don't get capped inside the school since they'll be racing me to get there If the labor board orders them rehired, they'll come to work every single day knowing that I'm working on their exit .
You and I are about the same age as I recall but your attitude is reminiscent of the “old school guys”. I mean that ONLY in every good way you can think of. I’d be racing myself to the sound of children being murdered and if I was in your AO we’d be racing each other. When the “sh.it hits the fan” those of us that have been tasked with great responsibility are ONLY focused on doing our job perfectly, not on the maybe’s. It’s not until afterwards that you realize how close you were to buying the farm. In the moment it’s simply the most important work that needs to be done and it’s up to “you” to do it.
I’m trying to withhold my thoughts on this tragedy until more information comes in. If it’s true (I believe it is) I hope that SIGNIFICANT improvements are made as a result.
The current DPS spokesman finally admitted that they made a mistake by not going in immediately. He also said the dirtbag used a debit card to buy all the stuff so he had the money in the bank, but they don't know any more than that so far.
The current DPS spokesman finally admitted that they made a mistake by not going in immediately. He also said the dirtbag used a debit card to buy all the stuff so he had the money in the bank, but they don't know any more than that so far.
Seems they come to the same conclusion every time. Hummm.
where it applies to long-term and a full response standloint, I agree. The investigation should proceed and appropriate action should be taken at multiple levels.
From both a personal and professional standpoint, right now, the only question i have is: Did EVERY responding cop go directly to the threat (I'll make exceptions for units held outside under direction of the scene commander for perimeter, etc once sufficient entry was made) until it was confirmed that the threat(s) was terminated? If the answer is 'no', than its excuses and bullshit.
I know this isn't 'my area ' of the Nation, but that shouldn't matter. If someone isn't willing to enter a building to stop the killing of innocents, they shouldn't pin on a badge.
If it is determined that I'm interpreting this response wrong, you'll be the first I apologize to. I just can't accept that any copper could live with themselves for standing by.
where it applies to long-term and a full response standloint, I agree. The investigation should proceed and appropriate action should be taken at multiple levels.
From both a personal and professional standpoint, right now, the only question i have is: Did EVERY responding cop go directly to the threat (I'll make exceptions for units held outside under direction of the scene commander for perimeter, etc once sufficient entry was made) until it was confirmed that the threat(s) was terminated? If the answer is 'no', than its excuses and bullshit.
I know this isn't 'my area ' of the Nation, but that shouldn't matter. If someone isn't willing to enter a building to stop the killing of innocents, they shouldn't pin on a badge.
If it is determined that I'm interpreting this response wrong, you'll be the first I apologize to. I just can't accept that any copper could live with themselves for standing by.
There are no exceptions to this scenario.
You do not follow orders. Only SOP.
You'll note the 'sufficient entry' qualification.
I can guesstimate how long that will take in my area, but it's going to be a bit before any of the achools, etc reach a saturation point of coppers.
But my believing no bystanders should be allowed into an active shooter scene doesn't make me be "sucking their dick".
No it absolutely does not! You are applying logic to a very emotional tragedy….logic has no place in this discussion. 😉.
In my opinion, I’d have had to be tazed or shot if none of the tacted up good guys were doing anything except roughing up parents. In the future I think more men will be less willing to trust “the good guys” and I see serious consequences for cops more interested in playing dress up and acting “tough” with parents than they are killing bad guys.
The pictures of the cops wielding their tazers, pepper spray and handcuffs over the parents is NOT a good look and it reinforces those feelings that cops look for easy targets of opportunity but FAIL miserably when it’s serious. Those desperate parents pleading with them to either go in or let them go in but instead were dominated and controlled by cowardly cops is enough to make anyone angry.
I have a feeling that defending the actions of most cops on scene that day is a losing proposition. It sure is beginning to look like not only did those chubby checkers not do as they were trained they cowered behind the safety of parents in the parking lot while children were being systematically murdered. If that is truly the case then they absolutely need to be fired from their jobs and fired in a way that insures that they never have the responsibility for the public safety again.
Training has nothing to do with going towards a threat like that. You do it because it has to be done. Training is something that might help you survive a situation like that, but lack of “training” should not be an excuse to not go towards the threat.
In two hundred years we’ve gone from military officers considering it an act of cowardice to dodge a cannon ball they could see coming for them to a dozen grown men with enough weaponry to take out a WW II company standing around and waiting for “orders” while a kid kills babies ten yards away.
[bleep] those cops. If parents were willing to storm that school, the cops had no right to stand in the way. [bleep] those pieces of schit for handcuffing those parents. If you’re too cowardly to do what is necessary, don’t stand in the way of those who aren’t.
Fewer than sixty years ago, people in Austin went to their cars and homes and got deer rifles to return fire on Charles Whitmore. They kept his head down until one officer went up the tower and killed him by himself. Now, the cops tackle people who are braver than they are and place them in handcuffs to keep them from saving children.
Uvalde needs you. Go make a difference. Save lives.
Look, asshat, if you get between me and my kid, you’d better find a place to hide. That’s all I’m saying. Strange that someone thinks that’s remarkable.
Yeah, it's always a great idea to barge into an active shooter situation half cocked.
If the shooter doesn't put a bullet through your head, the cops engaging him probably will.
But by all means, continue on with your internet bravado and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Was every action by those in charge the absolute best choice? Probably not. It never is, in any of these situations.
But I completely stand by them for not letting people into the active crime scene.
If you can't think of reasons why an active scene is closed and contained, you need to think about it more.
i know why they are clsoed and contained. in this instance every action the cops took was wrong. and youre wrong for sucking their dick.
evey second of active shooter training i have been through is go forward, and neutralize the threat.
those of you compllaining about policy and command orders can also suck a dick. fire me afterwards. i ok with that. im not ok with letting some makiac contionue to kill kids when i have the means to stop him.
I agree that something should have been done sooner.
But my believing no bystanders should be allowed into an active shooter scene doesn't make me be "sucking their dick".
I could have been one of those bystanders and so could you. I would have gone in without a vest carrying a shotgun and killed that jackass and it would have been much easier with a partner. Are you saying you wouldn't go?
Top Texas Cop Admits Cops Botched Uvalde School Response
Cops responding to the Uvalde, Texas school massacre “made the wrong decision” when they waited to breach the classroom door where a gunman had barricaded himself inside with children, a top law enforcement official said Friday.
The on-scene commander made the call that the carnage at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday had gone from an active shooter situation to a “barricaded suspect” situation, Col. Steven McCraw, director Texas Department of Public Safety said in a briefing Friday.
McCraw said with the benefit of hindsight, it was clear there were still students inside and in danger.
“Of course it was not the right decision, it was the wrong decision period,” McCraw said.
The admission came as police revealed the first time that shooter marched in through an unlocked door that had been propped open by a teacher.
The teacher propped the door at 11:27 a.m. a minute before 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos crashed his car into a ditch near the Robb Elementary School Tuesday.
Authorities are scrambling to explain why it took an hour to take out Ramos, whose rampage at Robb Elementary School Tuesday left 19 children and two teachers dead.
If i didn't know better i would think flave was talking about his home town, he's a bottom feeder Catfish, all mouth no brains. needs to get back under the pond scum and eat his worms. Rio7
I can guesstimate how long that will take in my area, but it's going to be a bit before any of the achools, etc reach a saturation point of coppers.
I noted it.
And it's wrong.
Should I be unfortunate enough to experience such an event, I suppose I'll act in line with the training I've conducted and the scenarios I've spent more than two decades planning for......from patrol to now, with 'expert' input. I'll let you judge my work product when it's over........if I'm still standing.
Where did he get the money for the weapons and ammo ? There was thousands of dollars spent in the few weeks before this happened. I’m suspicious that this monster was groomed and financed by a three letter agency. All my other conspiracy theories have come true…
The on-scene commander made the call that the carnage at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday had gone from an active shooter situation to a “barricaded suspect” situation, Col. Steven McCraw, director Texas Department of Public Safety said in a briefing Friday.
Can't understand why the difference between "active shooter" and "barricaded suspect" would matter a single fugg to anyone when children who could potentially be saved are bleeding out.
I can guesstimate how long that will take in my area, but it's going to be a bit before any of the achools, etc reach a saturation point of coppers.
I noted it.
And it's wrong.
Should I be unfortunate enough to experience such an event, I suppose I'll act in line with the training I've conducted and the scenarios I've spent more than two decades planning for......from patrol to now, with 'expert' input. I'll let you judge my work product when it's over........if I'm still standing.
I'll give it the proper weight in my life.
I don't give a fugk what you do or what you've done.
What you stated is wrong in regards to all things Active Shooter and LE protocol.
Especially when multiple agencies or departments are involved.
Where did he get the money for the weapons and ammo ? There was thousands of dollars spent in the few weeks before this happened. I’m suspicious that this monster was groomed and financed by a three letter agency. All my other conspiracy theories have come true…
The DPS chief confirmed earlier that he used a debit card so he had the money in the bank, but they don’t know how he got that yet. That was all he said on it.
If i didn't know better i would think flave was talking about his home town, he's a bottom feeder Catfish, all mouth no brains. needs to get back under the pond scum and eat his worms. Rio7
Where did he get the money for the weapons and ammo ? There was thousands of dollars spent in the few weeks before this happened. I’m suspicious that this monster was groomed and financed by a three letter agency. All my other conspiracy theories have come true…
The DPS chief confirmed earlier that he used a debit card so he had the money in the bank, but they don’t know how he got that yet. That was all he said on it.
I'm sure we'll know in short order.
Right after we find out WTF that Las Vegas shooter and the guy that leaked Roberts' opinion had in mind.
The on-scene commander made the call that the carnage at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday had gone from an active shooter situation to a “barricaded suspect” situation, Col. Steven McCraw, director Texas Department of Public Safety said in a briefing Friday.
Can't understand why the difference between "active shooter" and "barricaded suspect" would matter a single fugg to anyone when children who could potentially be saved are bleeding out.
We’ll likely never know what really happened, but this should be a good opportunity for each of us to think for a moment on the theory of trusting our safety and well being, and the safety and well being of our loved ones, to government employees.
Well it sounds like the DPS director believes Uvalde pd screwed up the response.
Heads should roll, but if it was brass that made the call to wait, I doubt anything will happen.
Right LT?
The DPS director did a horrible, bumbling job of that press conference.
But he did shed some light on the incident.
Not the least of which was the chain of command. The Incident Commander was the School District Chief of Police.
That guy was the one that issued the orders that it had gone from an active shooter situation to a barricaded subject.
He was wrong.
That small town, small school police chief for the school district had no business commanding that situation. It was clearly above his pay grade.
Perhaps in the future, a pre-determined, more qualified person should be the incident commander.
You could tell he was pissed he even had to explain such stupid behavior. "small school police chief for the school district had no business commanding that situation" how in hell did he get to be in charge?
Well it sounds like the DPS director believes Uvalde pd screwed up the response.
Heads should roll, but if it was brass that made the call to wait, I doubt anything will happen.
Right LT?
The DPS director did a horrible, bumbling job of that press conference.
But he did shed some light on the incident.
Not the least of which was the chain of command. The Incident Commander was the School District Chief of Police.
That guy was the one that issued the orders that it had gone from an active shooter situation to a barricaded subject.
He was wrong.
That small town, small school police chief for the school district had no business commanding that situation. It was clearly above his pay grade.
Perhaps in the future, a pre-determined, more qualified person should be the incident commander.
You could tell he was pissed he even had to explain such stupid behavior. "small school police chief for the school district had no business commanding that situation" how in hell did he get to be in charge?
Politics. Just like every other police chief in the nation.
You could tell he was pissed he even had to explain such stupid behavior. "small school police chief for the school district had no business commanding that situation" how in hell did he get to be in charge?
We’ll likely never know what really happened, but this should be a good opportunity for each of us to think for a moment on the theory of trusting our safety and well being, and the safety and well being of our loved ones, to government employees.
Oh my fugking Christ I hope that's not what was actually said.
If I heard the DPS Director right, (and that was hard to do in horrible press meeting) he said the Incident Commander was the Uvalde Consolidated ISD's Police Chief, that it was his school, and his jurisdiction, therefore he was the incident commander, and had declared that the active shooter had changed to a barricaded subject.
The director also said that was a huge mistake. (No chit)
Well it sounds like the DPS director believes Uvalde pd screwed up the response.
Heads should roll, but if it was brass that made the call to wait, I doubt anything will happen.
Right LT?
The DPS director did a horrible, bumbling job of that press conference.
But he did shed some light on the incident.
Not the least of which was the chain of command. The Incident Commander was the School District Chief of Police.
That guy was the one that issued the orders that it had gone from an active shooter situation to a barricaded subject.
He was wrong.
That small town, small school police chief for the school district had no business commanding that situation. It was clearly above his pay grade.
Perhaps in the future, a pre-determined, more qualified person should be the incident commander.
You could tell he was pissed he even had to explain such stupid behavior. "small school police chief for the school district had no business commanding that situation" how in hell did he get to be in charge?
The way most brass get their non-enforcement cush jobs......suckin 40 miles of cawk.
I'm not as dumb as those Leo's who stood around an hour as kids lay bleeding out.
I and millions of other people would have gone in without bullet proof vests just as that mother did to get her 2 girls out.
My cousin retired as No 2 in the Texas Dept of Corrections. Head warden for the Texas prison system. She is apoplectic and cant believe this schiett. I know of some of the things she has gone up against. She agrees with me puke. Waiting for freaking hostage negotiators while kids lay bleeding out. No Fughking Way.
What have you EVER done?
Better question is WTF is some nobody asking Jag what has he ever done? WTF have you ever done?
We’ll likely never know what really happened, but this should be a good opportunity for each of us to think for a moment on the theory of trusting our safety and well being, and the safety and well being of our loved ones, to government employees.
I have a pretty good idea that we'll have the results of the investigation.
Texas DPS isn't pulling any punches. They clearly called out some critical mistakes.
We’ll likely never know what really happened, but this should be a good opportunity for each of us to think for a moment on the theory of trusting our safety and well being, and the safety and well being of our loved ones, to government employees.
I have a pretty good idea that we'll have the results of the investigation.
Texas DPS isn't pulling any punches. They clearly called out some critical mistakes.
Sounds bad on Clay and Buck. 75 min before help? 911 calls every few min 1203 to 1229. 3 shots. Kids calling 911 ar 1237. UFK beggong for help. Cops in blfg an hr.
The school district has it's own 5 man police dept.
Never heard of something like that.
In Texas school districts or even utility districts can have their own police department. They collect the money for the police dept with the taxes or fees.... But they can have them.
My friend is the necessary pointy end of the spear. A true warrior. From your postings it’s obvious that you couldn’t tell the difference.
I don't know your friend. You are the one who described him as one who gets a rush from killing people.
I have never met anyone with the balls to kill humans for a thrill or for the chase.
But I have seen the difference in the hunting fields. There are those who get a huge adrenaline rush from a kill. Animal or human, it is the same pathology.
And there are us who pull the trigger and gut a critter because it is a necessary part of life. But actually find the act distasteful.
My friend is the necessary pointy end of the spear. A true warrior. From your postings it’s obvious that you couldn’t tell the difference.
I don't know your friend. You are the one who described him as one who gets a rush from killing people.
I have never met anyone with the balls to kill humans for a thrill or for the chase.
But I have seen the difference in the hunting fields. There are those who get a huge adrenaline rush from a kill. Animal or human, it is the same pathology.
And there are us who pull the trigger and gut a critter because it is a necessary part of life. But actually find the act distasteful.
Please explain how, today, hunting is a ‘necessary’ part of life? You apparently share the same ‘pathology’ as the rest of us but can’t admit it.
I just read that the Border Patrol tactical team that finally took him out was on the scene 20 to 30 minutes earlier than what's been reported. The Uvalde police prevented them from going in.
My friend is the necessary pointy end of the spear. A true warrior. From your postings it’s obvious that you couldn’t tell the difference.
I don't know your friend. You are the one who described him as one who gets a rush from killing people.
I have never met anyone with the balls to kill humans for a thrill or for the chase.
But I have seen the difference in the hunting fields. There are those who get a huge adrenaline rush from a kill. Animal or human, it is the same pathology.
And there are us who pull the trigger and gut a critter because it is a necessary part of life. But actually find the act distasteful.
I just read that the Border Patrol tactical team that finally took him out was on the scene 20 to 30 minutes earlier than what's been reported. The Uvalde police prevented them from going in.
Pretty much.
But it wasn't the Uvalde Police Dept.
It was the School District's Police Chief, who was the incident commander.
I just read that the Border Patrol tactical team that finally took him out was on the scene 20 to 30 minutes earlier than what's been reported. The Uvalde police prevented them from going in.
Pretty much.
But it wasn't the Uvalde Police Dept.
It was the School District's Police Chief, who was the incident commander.
This guy.
Are you two sure that a Border Patrol Tactical Team responded to this incident?
I just read that the Border Patrol tactical team that finally took him out was on the scene 20 to 30 minutes earlier than what's been reported. The Uvalde police prevented them from going in.
Pretty much.
But it wasn't the Uvalde Police Dept.
It was the School District's Police Chief, who was the incident commander.
This guy.
Are you two sure that a Border Patrol Tactical Team responded to this incident?
Or are you guessing?
It was SOME members of BORTAC who responded.
I think the team that broached the classroom and killed the nutjob was assembled on site. 3 BORTAC team members, 1 Zavala County Deputy Sheriff, and 2 Uvalde PD officers.
It wasn't the whole BORTAC team. Kinda impromptu of who had some tactical training.
SAS Operator, Chris Craighead who stormed a building alone in Kenya, killing several baddies and then continued to go back again and again rescuing people.
I just read that the Border Patrol tactical team that finally took him out was on the scene 20 to 30 minutes earlier than what's been reported. The Uvalde police prevented them from going in.
Pretty much.
But it wasn't the Uvalde Police Dept.
It was the School District's Police Chief, who was the incident commander.
This guy.
Are you two sure that a Border Patrol Tactical Team responded to this incident?
Or are you guessing?
It was SOME members of BORTAC who responded.
I think the team that broached the classroom and killed the nutjob was assembled on site. 3 BORTAC team members, 1 Zavala County Deputy Sheriff, and 2 Uvalde PD officers.
It wasn't the whole BORTAC team. Kinda impromptu of who had some tactical training.
SAS Operator, Chris Craighead who stormed a building alone in Kenya, killing several baddies and then continued to go back again and again rescuing people.
My friend is the necessary pointy end of the spear. A true warrior. From your postings it’s obvious that you couldn’t tell the difference.
I don't know your friend. You are the one who described him as one who gets a rush from killing people.
I have never met anyone with the balls to kill humans for a thrill or for the chase.
But I have seen the difference in the hunting fields. There are those who get a huge adrenaline rush from a kill. Animal or human, it is the same pathology.
And there are us who pull the trigger and gut a critter because it is a necessary part of life. But actually find the act distasteful.
Wow.
That was a really stupid thing to write.
Which booster are you on?
Really?
Do you hunt and kill humans for sport and thrill?
Do any of your compatriots?
Do you consider those that do well adjusted and fully sane?
You already stated you would not do your job for free. That does much to predict your answer.
I don't really know you either. You do write some pretty asinine crap on this forum and you make a habit of bullying many. But I have no doubt, had you been present in Uvalde at the time of this shooting, entry into that school would have been done much, much sooner than it happened.
I mean...does having a separate school district police department streamline a potential response to a dynamic threat?
The obvious thing is that the position checks the "its for the children" box and fulfills the real obligation of giving someone 99% of employers wouldn't hire a .gov job.
I just read that the Border Patrol tactical team that finally took him out was on the scene 20 to 30 minutes earlier than what's been reported. The Uvalde police prevented them from going in.
Pretty much.
But it wasn't the Uvalde Police Dept.
It was the School District's Police Chief, who was the incident commander.
I mean...does having a separate school district police department streamline a potential response to a dynamic threat?
The obvious thing is that the position checks the "its for the children" box and fulfills the real obligation of giving someone 99% of employers wouldn't hire a .gov job.
Every fine upstanding attorney with a Learjet will be descending upon that town about now. The number of lawsuits and the amount of money that is going to exchange hands is going to be significant.
For those that have never been there, Uvalde is very similar to the rest of south Texas.
Complete fugking schit hole that is occupied by inbred fugking morons.
So you were a cop there. And too cowardly to admit it. 😂
Your stupidity is on par with your confidence.
Tell us more about your failed LEO Career. Fuqking Loser. 😂😂😂
Tell us how your bad ass NRA credentials would of dealt with this?? Oh I know first you would’ve gave a 30 minute speech about taking all commands from RSO. Then only make ready when the rso said so. Oh and for this scenario only 2- 6 round magazines with a tactical reload..
For those that have never been there, Uvalde is very similar to the rest of south Texas.
Complete fugking schit hole that is occupied by inbred fugking morons.
So you were a cop there. And too cowardly to admit it. 😂
Your stupidity is on par with your confidence.
Tell us more about your failed LEO Career. Fuqking Loser. 😂😂😂
Tell us how your bad ass NRA credentials would of dealt with this?? Oh I know first you would’ve gave a 30 minute speech about taking all commands from RSO. Then only make ready when the rso said so. Oh and for this scenario only 2- 6 round magazines with a tactical reload..
Lmao ! Still butt hurt about me telling the truth about Wetbacks ? 😂 Never been to a NRA Class or Convention in my Lifetime.
As per usual your drunken rants and Reading Comprehension Really Suck. Carry on loser! 😂😂😂
Im sure a border town in the middle of nowhere is flush with cash and a four star aeropuerto.
Not on the border.
It might not be on the border but the news says that there are roughly 150 border patrol agents in Uvalde. As with anything that the news reports I trust you guys that are lifelong “real” Texans over the “expert guests” interviewed by the media.
What a fuggin cluster. They said 2 officers entered the school 2 minutes after the gunman. They could have stopped him but wussed out because they got shot at. Unreal
They tend to be the baddest mother fugkers on the planet.
Ha the ones who couldn't cut it for the regular PD, or .
Kinda like Flave. 😂😂😂
So you don’t ranch, shoot, or hunt? LMAO
Many here know me personally and know what I do.
Best we can tell from your posts, though, is you love to suck Flave off. 😂😂😂 Tell me. Does he let you hold his dick while your doing it ? 😂😂😂 Carry on Ball Washer. Or AlwaysHoldsFlavesCock. 😂😂😂
They tend to be the baddest mother fugkers on the planet.
Ha the ones who couldn't cut it for the regular PD, or .
Kinda like Flave. 😂😂😂
So you don’t ranch, shoot, or hunt? LMAO
Many here know me personally and know what I do.
Best we can tell from your posts, though, is you love to suck Flave off. 😂😂😂 Tell me. Does he let you hold his dick while your doing it ? 😂😂😂 Carry on Ball Washer. Or AlwaysHoldsFlavesCock. 😂😂😂
What a fuggin cluster. They said 2 officers entered the school 2 minutes after the gunman. They could have stopped him but wussed out because they got shot at. Unreal
where it applies to long-term and a full response standloint, I agree. The investigation should proceed and appropriate action should be taken at multiple levels.
From both a personal and professional standpoint, right now, the only question i have is: Did EVERY responding cop go directly to the threat (I'll make exceptions for units held outside under direction of the scene commander for perimeter, etc once sufficient entry was made) until it was confirmed that the threat(s) was terminated? If the answer is 'no', than its excuses and bullshit.
I know this isn't 'my area ' of the Nation, but that shouldn't matter. If someone isn't willing to enter a building to stop the killing of innocents, they shouldn't pin on a badge.
If it is determined that I'm interpreting this response wrong, you'll be the first I apologize to. I just can't accept that any copper could live with themselves for standing by.
I really appreciate that we have good men with your level of common sense among our nations LEO's. It's just sad to see so many cowards when the SHTF.
For those that have never been there, Uvalde is very similar to the rest of south Texas.
Complete fugking schit hole that is occupied by inbred fugking morons.
So you were a cop there. And too cowardly to admit it. 😂
Your stupidity is on par with your confidence.
Tell us more about your failed LEO Career. Fuqking Loser. 😂😂😂
Tell us how your bad ass NRA credentials would of dealt with this?? Oh I know first you would’ve gave a 30 minute speech about taking all commands from RSO. Then only make ready when the rso said so. Oh and for this scenario only 2- 6 round magazines with a tactical reload..
Lmao ! Still butt hurt about me telling the truth about Wetbacks ? 😂 Never been to a NRA Class or Convention in my Lifetime.
As per usual your drunken rants and Reading Comprehension Really Suck. Carry on loser! 😂😂😂
If I’m a drunk then you are a retard. You’re retard ass decries the killing of 19 kids majority of Hispanic descent, then start howling at the moon how most people in south Texas are wetbacks living on the government dime. Make up your mind, wear a hat the Texas sun is frying what brain you have left lol.. oh almost forgot you are an expert in everything pistol, shotgun, rifle??
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
It might not be on the border but the news says that there are roughly 150 border patrol agents in Uvalde. As with anything that the news reports I trust you guys that are lifelong “real” Texans over the “expert guests” interviewed by the media.
Uvalde has been a red-hot spot for illegals and dumping them off there from the border towns where Biden busses them from. Lots of bailouts and high speed pursuits. Lots of mass human smuggling cases there.
That's why so many border patrol and highway patrol are there right now.
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
That is factual , Abott just confirmed it in his Presser .
I think this was a setup as was Sandy Hook. Just look at the timing, Ashole Biden is about to sign away our country, and this takes the press away from that.
It might not be on the border but the news says that there are roughly 150 border patrol agents in Uvalde. As with anything that the news reports I trust you guys that are lifelong “real” Texans over the “expert guests” interviewed by the media.
Uvalde has been a red-hot spot for illegals and dumping them off there from the border towns where Biden busses them from. Lots of bailouts and high speed pursuits. Lots of mass human smuggling cases there.
That's why so many border patrol and highway patrol are there right now.
After reading more about the area that’s what I’ve learned about it. All thanks to Beijing Biden and his impotence on everything but especially the border.
Bingo. Got a cushy job, looking to put in 2 more years and then sit back and collect a $95K pension. Before this, the biggest problem he faced was his officers busted two punks with an ounce of marijuana in the school bathroom.
Im sure a border town in the middle of nowhere is flush with cash and a four star aeropuerto.
Not on the border.
It might not be on the border but the news says that there are roughly 150 border patrol agents in Uvalde. As with anything that the news reports I trust you guys that are lifelong “real” Texans over the “expert guests” interviewed by the media.
You can google it and see where it is in relation to the border, All the ranch county down here gets illegal traffic so they have border patrol in towns in those areas.
I think this was a setup as was Sandy Hook. Just look at the timing, Ashole Biden is about to sign away our country, and this takes the press away from that.
You can't convince me with the NSA, and other intelligence agencies that peruse keywords and people 24/7, even on the dark web, that they don't hit on these types. Especially with the social media footprint he left before this incident.
He sure got lots of money to buy what he needed with a debit card from somewhere...
After reading more about the area that’s what I’ve learned about it. All thanks to Beijing Biden and his impotence on everything but especially the border.
He (or more correctly his administration) aren’t impotent at all they’re POTENT.
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
Water board away, that person deserves it, but the most likely reason is it was lunchtime and the teacher the school Cop apprehended when he was looking for the shooter was the one who had just propped the door open while he went out to his car.
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
Water board away, that person deserves it, but the most likely reason is it was lunchtime and the teacher the school Cop apprehended when he was looking for the shooter was the one who had just propped the door open while he went out to his car.
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
Water board away, that person deserves it, but the most likely reason is it was lunchtime and the teacher the school Cop apprehended when he was looking for the shooter was the one who had just propped the door open while he went out to his car.
Would you agree that 99% of your peers are complete fugk ups?
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
Water board away, that person deserves it, but the most likely reason is it was lunchtime and the teacher the school Cop apprehended when he was looking for the shooter was the one who had just propped the door open while he went out to his car.
Would you agree that 99% of your peers are complete fugk ups?
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
Water board away, that person deserves it, but the most likely reason is it was lunchtime and the teacher the school Cop apprehended when he was looking for the shooter was the one who had just propped the door open while he went out to his car.
Would you agree that 99% of your peers are complete fugk ups?
Including your own dumb self?
Naah.
Me, sure, sometimes.
You don’t agree that 99% of the people in your profession are complete fugk ups?
I’m wondering if that was the closest door to the teacher parking lot, why didn’t the guy (if it was him) have a key or ID to swipe?
The other thing is, why did the first responding School Cop (who was most likely down the street picking up lunch) not recognize that person right off as a teacher in that small school when we are told he mistook him for the perp?
I’m wondering if that was the closest door to the teacher parking lot, why didn’t the guy (if it was him) have a key or ID to swipe?
The other thing is, why did the first responding School Cop (who was most likely down the street picking up lunch) not recognize that person right off as a teacher in that small school when he mistook him for the perp?
I’m wondering if maybe the world is finally seeing just how fugking stupid Texans are.
I can't find the post now but somewhere in this thread somebody posted an article that said a teacher propped the door open minutes before the perp entered.
I'd be waterboarding that individual until I was positive this wasn't planned by more people than the shooter.
Yep. Heard the truck run in tha ditch and opened the door to, uh, see mo better, then chocked it open.
Ust anudder quincidence.
After the puke tweeted he was on "The Biggest Opps" and "kids be scared irl".
Law enforcement cowards who shivered outside for hours while a spineless 18 year old murdered kids inside should go to prison for life. You expect cowards in florida new york and california but texas needs to immediately overhaul police standards and get rid of all hints of cowardly behavior. Here in alaska the stated and trained policy is to immediately storm the building and shoot too kill stay down if you dont want to be included. Too bad texas is so backwards.
Anyone know how many sworn officers Uvalde has? At 16k residents I'd be surprised if it's more than 20. Small departments are kind of notorious for little to no training and less than ideal hiring standards.
Are you really sure you have a LE background or is it just some sort of fantasy you've conjured up to pretend to be a internet tough guy hero?
Like many cities in America, Uvalde, Texas, has a SWAT team. The Uvalde SWAT team trained specifically in area schools.
Uvalde, a town of about 16,000, is spending $4.4 million, or 38%, of its $11.5 million budget for 2021-2022 on its 40-member police force.
According to an Associated Press report and social media footage, Uvalde police milled outside the school during the massacre, brandished tasers, and prevented parents from entering the school.
Law enforcement cowards who shivered outside for hours while a spineless 18 year old murdered kids inside should go to prison for life. You expect cowards in florida new york and california but texas needs to immediately overhaul police standards and get rid of all hints of cowardly behavior. Here in alaska the stated and trained policy is to immediately storm the building and shoot too kill stay down if you dont want to be included. Too bad texas is so backwards.
Anyone know how many sworn officers Uvalde has? At 16k residents I'd be surprised if it's more than 20. Small departments are kind of notorious for little to no training and less than ideal hiring standards.
Are you really sure you have a LE background or is it just some sort of fantasy you've conjured up to pretend to be a internet tough guy hero?
Like many cities in America, Uvalde, Texas, has a SWAT team. The Uvalde SWAT team trained specifically in area schools.
Uvalde, a town of about 16,000, is spending $4.4 million, or 38%, of its $11.5 million budget for 2021-2022 on its 40-member police force.
According to an Associated Press report and social media footage, Uvalde police milled outside the school during the massacre, brandished tasers, and prevented parents from entering the school.
In this case, just cannot overstate the value of #4 rebar.