Wife's good friend and our neighbor here in Utah drove to CA to get on a cruise they had booked. She forgot about the little 5 shot hammerless 38 that lives in her purse. Lost the 38, missed the cruise, and has a court date in CA. How does this episode end?

In CA? Up schitt creek without a paddle. Probably get charged with attempted terrorism and theft of a cruise ship

Well hopefully she avoids jail time but I bet a hefty fine minimum.

You have to go through a metal detector to get on a cruise ship? Well that sucks.

Hope it wasn’t loaded.
Bringing ammo in from out of state is a no-no in Cali. Probably 10 year minimum.

Tag

California is third world. Outcome will be anyone's guess.

Oh it was loaded alright.

If she had used it to rob a liquor store the DA would have probably dropped the charges. But since she peacefully possessed it for personal defense, she’s screwed.

Is she white or black?

went on a cruise starting in Barcelona up west side of Italy and back , bought knives as souvenirs had to turn them in to security at reboarding in every port
had about 20 when i got back to Barcelona,.

Norm

Anyone thats gets on a cruise ship deserves it.

Meh,
If there was no intent to commit a crime, it will be a misdemeaner with a fine as penalty. Stupid? Yes. But those are the laws.

If you carry, you need to keep your wits about you. I live just a couple of miles from the VA line, and while my permit is good there, they have a 20-shot limit, so my new 5.7 can’t be full in case circumstances put me over the line. In the other direction lies the People’s Republic of Maryland where I’d be in serious Dutch if found carrying, and an empty gun locked in a case but with a loaded magazine in that same case is the same as having a loaded gun, even if out of reach. I nearly crossed over at Shepherdstown by accident one day when I got turned around in the little burg. On the rare occasions when I go to D.C., I have to be damn sure there’s no ammo or possibly even empties in my vehicle as a man was convicted there of having illegal ammunition because he possessed saboted pistol bullets, no powder, for his ML, and on appeal the conviction stood.

Sorry for the lady’s trouble, but I’ll bet she’s screwed, and will at least end up with a record.

In divorce.

Wife’s friend is a retard. Hopefully ends in your wife not befriending such retards.

Maybe she'll learn not to go to Cali anymore.

I carry here in Cali everyday.
Carry the gun, gotta know the rules.

People who say, oh I forgot about that being in my bag. Is about the same as someone who states I forgot about my child in the car when I locked it up.

I could go on. Stupid people.

Statistically you'll live several lifetimes without needing
to pull on someone; sadly outcomes like this or much worse are far more likely, but they don't feed the modern gun culture narrative and don't fuel tacticool sales.

When will people learn to stay out of [bleep] places???

What's the charge felony or misdemeanor?
Too bad a vacation was ruined

GFY with a rusty claw hammer

You can't blame this on California.

Be the same if they tried to leave on a ship, leaving Kansas.

Only cruise I'm going on is on Boeuf River in Richland Parish Louisiana fly fishing!!

She's in trouble, but most likely will not know why

Statistically you can have butt sex with many men before you'll need to take Dovato, faag on ButtBoy.

I’ve always had to go through TSA/Customs before leaving port and when you come back.

Choke on a bag of dicks commie phaggot

You can tell how many cruises I've been on lol.

When I moved from Los Angeles in Nov., 1997, the charge had always been a misdemeanor. BUT ... the law was changed to a "wobbler." That meant a D.A. could either charge the person with a misdemeanor or felony, depending on the whims of the D.A. If the woman was arrested in L.A. County, the D.A. is named Gascon. He is an extremely left liberal zealot and was put into office by George Soros (his money).

I would suggest the woman hire herself a good attorney. There is a very pro-Second Amendment attorney in Southern Calif., named Chuck Michel. The last thing the woman needs is a felony conviction. Just a suggestion. Good luck to the woman.

EDIT: C.D. "Chuck" Michel
Michel & Associates, Attorneys At Law
[email protected]
562-216-4444

L.W.

Does Barry Switzer come to mind?

Just curious - what would be the consequences of ignoring the court date in CA? I'm sure there would be a warrant issued for her arrest - but if she stayed in UT and never went back to CA, would CA go to the trouble of getting her extradited? Would UT go along with it? Question for the legal experts here.

When a warrant is written, there is often language that provides some instruction to the detaining agency. Some warrants are non-extraditable while others are nationwide. It just depends on what you did and how bad they want you.

If I contact someone who I don’t have PC to arrest, but has an out-of-area warrant, I detain them until the issuing jurisdiction can be contacted and they indicate whether they will confirm the warrant. If so, they get booked on the warrant.

If you are arrested on an out-of-state warrant, you have the right to have an extradition hearing where the issuing jurisdiction must present evidence that you committed the alleged crime. You may also waive extradition and that starts a 30-day clock for the issuing agency to come get you.

If I had to guess how it ends I’d have to know more about the beginning but I’ll take a shot……she’s an intelligent lady that doesn’t want to be a fugitive from justice so she will answer these charges by retaining the best local attorney she can. She’ll ultimately likely not have to appear because the attorney will get it pled down to a fine and some sort of “probation”. She’ll pay dearly for this one way or another so I’d spend it on the BEST attorney possible and follow his/her advice.

Good luck and I’m sorry that she has to deal with this.

….and the attorney will petition to have her .38 returned which will be granted. It doesn’t have any “mitigating” conditions and wouldn’t be prohibited under California law since it’s not a high capacity firearm so I don’t see why it wouldn’t be returned once it’s adjudicated.

Under Maritime law anyone boarding a boat was (is?) required to declare weapons to the Captain. They said it was a felony to fail to report.

Yup, at least call Chucks office. FYI Chuck Michel is also the California Rifle and Pistol President. You know the ones that have been shoving their foot up Kommiefornia's ass for the last several years.

https://michellawyers.com/


There is also the Davis Law Firm out of Mission Viejo.

https://www.calgunlawyers.com/contact/

I would not be surprised if the DA didn't even file the case (depending on what was written in the report---and she was probably cited to a court date at the time of the confiscation). If they do file on her, she'll likely get some sort of deferred entry of judgment and might even get her gun back.

Sounds more like his little 38 was “buried” in her purse amongst all the junk, never cleaned, never taken out for practice, never even thought of once it was buried.

It sounds as if that little 38 buried in the bottom of her purse would have been totally useless to her if she ever had to use it.

I was “detained” in the cruise ship terminal in Kusadasi Turkey for trying to board my ship with a Spyderco in my pocket. A tense morning.

Don't be going places you don't belong.

She needs to identify as a black, trans, gay, vegan, abortion loving, Ukraine supporting, Newsome & Biden voting, PITA, BLM & ANTIFA member, reparations demanding, socialist democrat when she appears Infront of the judge!

She will be awarded substantial financial compensation for her time and case closed.

That's it right fugging there simple as can be.mb

Probably gonna be a legal nightmare and cost 1000,s of bucks to walk away from it.

She can just say they are both trannies. That will get her a free pass and apologies

If you don’t have the presence of mind to know whether you have a weapon on you, there should be an immediate adjudication that bans you from having firearms for life.

Same should go for DUI

The offender deserves everything she gets just for doing any activity in California to begin with !

She faces a real risk of being incarcerated and raped by a tranny…Sound pretty to you fuggs ?

Concealed carry is a tremendous responsibility that far too few fully appreciate. Your friend's wife was very irresponsible.

Why doesn't she carry a semi-automatic ?

Who drives through 2 states to get on a cruise ship, carrying a loaded firearm that they don't know about?
Your wife should be careful of her friends.

(I know zero about Utah/California extradition, if there is none, I would skip the court date and never return to California.
A lawyer would be better versed in that. Have a friend that won't return to a certain state for similar circumstances. If he's caught there, there is a warrant for him. Don't know about statute of limitations. Depends on charges I guess, don't know.)

You think Kansas would pursue the same legal course as California?

States need to be punished for enacting gun and ammunition laws that are designed to rob citizens of their money. That's all it is. They'll fine you after they bankrupt you in court for the sin of not bowing to their insanity.

Wonder what Mexico would have done when she was caught with it there?

Bet she would have preferred to get caught in CA.

Only if her skin had the necessary levels of protective melanin.

Exactly hire a good attorney be prepared to pay for making a stupid mistake and be very glad your not in a Mexican Jail.
Also this may be a federal not state offense depending on who’s jurisdiction the dockside port of entry is classified under so it might not matter if she was in California or Florida.

She should have told them she was part of the antifa protest for the lgbtqrstuv day of hissy fit. She would have been immediately released and all charges against her dropped. As it stands though, she’ll be assumed to be conservative so they’ll milk this for all its worth. I assume she/they have assets. The government will want their pound of flesh to teach her a “lesson”

Badly - and expensively..

Thanks for the attorney references. That is very helpful. I have sent the lady both of those contacts.

Get yourself a Glock 7 and sail right through.

Spoken like a true Die Hard gun nut.

Detective John McClane warned us about those.

Best of luck to the lady. I don't go to blue city's or states. The problem she has is just one of the reasons.

In a 5 shooter the ammo isn't an issue.
Last I heard carrying unpermitted is a misdemeanor. I'd like to see the DA throw this out.
Be more mindful when you travel out of your home state.

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No mention was made about the arresting agency. If it was TSA it obviously is going to be a federal warrant. Looking at celebs online that did the same thing, it didn't seem to amount to much but these were in other states. All were cited and released. I didn't surf long enough to see the outcomes of these encounters.

Denton, do you know the circumstances of the woman's arrest?? Was she arrested by Federal agents, or by a local police officer (Long Beach P.D, LAPD, etc.) or L.A. County Sheriff's Deputies?

When is her court appearance?

L.W.

I would want my gun back but if extradition were not an issue and I figured the fine was gonna be extreme, I’d never return to that state again.



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Did she get a refund on the cruise?

Never heard of a 20 SHOT LIMIT in Virginia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lived 53 years within 25 miles of The PRM.
Only ever committed 1 felony in my life, repeated it numerous times.
Accidentally crossing the Mason Dixon with guns.

I try to not let it happen.
But for some, guns aren't a big deal.
Have had at leasr one in my vehicle since I started driving.
It's like wearing socks,I don't think about them all the time.
Not that big a deal.

Or maybe power saws.
Been running them since before I could lift one right.
Some are terrified by them, some always scared running them.
Some, just run them damn thing. Knowing the how's and why's, but it
Isn't even given conscious thought.


For those wondering why.

Ever leave work, planning to stop on the way home,
as you pull in the driveway, you realize you did what you do everyday?

You F^*(*:$##^!!!!ing forgot to get milk!

At some point the SCOTUS ruled we have a right of self defense. These anti second amendment cases should be ruled
Unconstitutional. Until then I will stay out of these democratic sh T holes. Hasbeen

I don't have that information. What I do know is that she was stopped from boarding because of the firearm in her purse.

I've never been on a cruise, and don't know which agency does the passenger screening. Is that TSA, like in an airport?

She and her husband are camped at a hotel in Long Beach, waiting for their court date. It may be that their cruise was out of that port.

One thing I'm sure of: It's time to have a great attorney in the mix. She and her husband can afford a good one. California agencies I have dealt with are incredibly money hungry, and I expect that the game is squeezing the tourists, not protecting public safety.

FFS

What a load of crap.

I travel constantly. Am in and out of 5 different outfits regularly. Often have a handgun in my my briefcase and on a number of occasions, I lose track of where that sidearm is. If it's in my briefcase or if I put it in or under the console of a truck.

When I fly, I am pretty vigilant about getting the firearm/s out and left or packed to take properly. But I did find a loaded mag in my briefcase in the airport parking lot as I made one last check of my briefcase about 2 weeks ago.

Bullshit! It’s no wonder that we have the illegal restrictions on our INALIENABLE rights that we do. When supposed “conservatives” are so happy to cozy up to the enemy of democracy and side with them against our freedoms we need to look no further to see why we’re in this spot in the first place. Neo-cons love to pretend they support the Constitution and BoR but it becomes obvious in cases like this that they’re just lying about it. No self-respecting REAL Conservative would ever suggest abrogating your Constitutional rights because you made a minor mistake. Their support of the state in these cases is hard to miss and the zeal they display when they’re engaged in infringing on our rights is pathetic.

These liberal cucks try to play the part of the Conservative but they are only pretending…..it only takes something like this to shine the spotlight on their traitorous, dumb ass. California has illegal restrictions on our Constitutional rights and they use that to harass law abiding citizens but instead of defending her like real conservatives do liberals use it to destroy the person and their reputation. What’s even more disgusting than that is the “guys” that should be defending her against these bullshit charges are turncoats that support the state of California’s Unconstitutional violations.

Anyone that suggests that our INALIENABLE rights are able to bargained away or that we should trade part of those rights for certain guarantees should be kicked in the head until they’ve had some sense knocked into them.

One more comment about this unfortunate situation….. As the “man of the house” and the guy that has been involved with firearms all my life I take my responsibility as the family’s “armorer” seriously. I’m the one that maintains the firearms and I’m the one that is “into guns” more than anyone else here so I assume the responsibility for most of the things having to do with guns. When we travel I make sure that the firearms for our EDC are secured and that we don’t have any ammunition or mags with us.

People make mistakes and forgetting to remove your EDC from your purse is not a capital crime nor is it indicative of anything other than people are human and sometimes forget or get distracted…

+1 A&E

Some things are worth quoting.

Dumbass moves have consequences

Child, 2, kills self with gun from mom's purse:

Mother of five shot and killed after children find gun in her purse

Mom fatally shot when son, 2, grabs gun from her purse in Walmart

You are correct.

Your infatuation with that comment proves you live in a very small world and don't have very much going on in your life.

Thanks there Cap.

In case you actually felt the need to inform yourself, I have no children in or around our home. My habits 15-16 years ago are far different than they are now.

When I am at someone's place, my truck is always locked because there is usually a firearm in there. And my biggest concern is a child getting in the vehicle.

But I sure appreciate the judgment oozing from your post.

When are you guys going to grow up and realize not everyone lives in the same world you do? Different people have different lives, environments, circumstances etc.

Her first mistake was going to CA for any reason.

Her first mistake was going to CA for any reason.Will they have your back if you have to use it to stop a thug?

If you are so complacent about where your weapon is, why are you even carrying? If you truly give no thought to it, you must not need it. If your safety is important enough to have a gun, you should forget your shoes before your sidearm.

I am happy for you that you live in a world where irresponsibility with a firearm has no consequences.

My main concern is traveling.

Just returned from a 4 day 2900 mile roundtrip. Depending on the state, the pistol was either in the jockey box and unloaded or in the console or in my bag right behind my seat.

When I got home at 330 am and into the house at 430am, I would be lying if I told you that I KNEW that pistol was in my bag vs possibly in the console of the truck out by the shop and barn.

Same when I come home after traveling on most any business trip. Usually have a pistol in the truck between the seat and console. Everything gets brought in. An hour later, I couldn't tell you if it was in by briefcase, or sitting in its spot in my kitchen or maybe still in the truck. I make zero apologies for this. All these activities are based on my world.

Depends on how much money they have for legal expenses.

It’s real simple. If a guy can’t keep track of a firearm, he shouldn’t own one. Simple and easy.

What if they don't identify as a guy?

It’s even more simple than that since we’re just carelessly revoking inalienable rights….if you support democrats or if you’re suspected of being a leftist you don’t get to own a firearm. By virtue of your careless vote for Beijing Biden you prove that you suffer from mental illness and shouldn’t own a gun a knife and all spoons in your house need to be registered.

…actually since this idea of denying inalienable rights is so easy I’d take it a step further still….if you didn’t vote for President Trump then you lose your right to own a gun, your right to free speech and your right to assemble. You’ve demonstrated that your side isn’t capable of possessing our freedoms so you don’t get them…..see how easy it is.

Plus a ban on lead

As in your case? I have no idea.

What if the gun doesn’t identify as a gun but it thinks it’s a Unicorn? Surely Unicorns aren’t illegal in Mexifornia?

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I never put a handgun or ammo in any bags I use for air travel for the exact reason of what happened to this lady.

Before 9-11 my wife’s friend forgot that she had her 2.5” .357mag in her purse. She didn’t “remember” it was there until sometime during the flight she went into her purse for something and saw it. 😬 She was smart enough to not say anything and that was the end of it.

She comes from a family that is deeply deeply involved in the shooting sports. She grew up on her family’s shooting range in Sequim and her brother was a trap and skeet champion that won gold in the 1980 Olympics so she wasn’t a careless “rookie”….she is just a human being that is subject to making a mistake.

She is a dumb fugg and shouldn’t own a gun.

What a good liberal you are.

So happy to decide for others what they can and can't do.

Here's another eye-opener, there are a lot of firearms I won that I could nottell you where they are. Hell, I couldn't even begin to tell you all the firearms I own. There are too many and too diverse. I know that will set off some serious leftist envy on your part, and for that I couldn't care. You just keep doing you.

And Paul, has to make you feel all warm and fuzzy to come out of the closet as a true liberal along with your buddy here.

Have your Friends bring up the Feinstine Airport ordeal

She walked through a metal detector after she let her CCP expire with a Loaded Handgun in her purse and they let her go not even a slap on the hand.

2 tier justice system in this Commy State.

You are the irresponsible gun own that fuggs it up for the rest of us.


Sell all your firearms asap.

Please explain exactly what I have done to fugg anything up for you?

Please define "irresponsible"

Again a good little liberal that can't accomplish shît on his own, but wants to determine how everyone else lives.

Bet next thing is you will be telling me I should start driving an electric car and sell the 10 gas and diesel outfits I have in the driveway.

Your envy is showing and it isn't a good look on you.

Sometimes my own posts are worth quoting.

Kyle Busch had a problem recently in Mexico.......money talks!

https://www.espn.com/racing/story/_/id/35610040/kyle-busch-apologizes-gun-law-violations-mexico-trip

Complacency only occurs here at my home.

Now where did I put that loaded pistol….?


LOL

I dunno. Eric Holder and the waffen BATFEces scum ran guns in Mexico while working for Obamma. No one in Mexico did schitt to him or the BATFEces.

Did he drive to MX, or did TSA miss it on his departure?

Years ago, my aunt went over to my grandmother’s place. When she sat down on the couch, she noticed something hard between the seat cushions. Upon inspection, she pulled out a 357 magnum and examined “Mom! Is that thing loaded?”

Grandma snorted in reply “Well it wouldn’t do me any damned good if it wasn’t now would it!”

He flew on a private jet to Mexico. Does the TSA scan passengers on private aircraft?

No idea, but don’t think so.

I guess he was flying commercial on-return

In general terms, where do you live in MT? You slipped a couple years ago and claimed the bitterroot.

I’ve been on 2 cruises, Royal Caribbean out of Florida.
They run you through a metal detector similar to the airport.
Cruises I was on left from Fort Lauderdale, and the county sheriffs office operated inside and outside of the port.
I suspect Florida being a free state this would have resulted in a fine and maybe losing out on the cruise.
California is anyone’s guess. Somewhere in the fine print when you pay for the cruise is a dumb ass clause, meaning this gal lost her her refund.

LOL !

Impression I got was the bitterroot. Seemed like the impression was he worked at the processing plant there in the Bitterroot. I can't remember the name of it right now. Have met with the owner when I brought some foreigners in to tour it years ago.

Guy suffers from some serious inadequacy issues. His self esteem is pretty low because he cannot help but attack anyone and everyone to try and make himself feel better about his pathetic existence.

He’s a bitch ass chickenshît troll. Likely a frequent poster on more liberal cuck forums like hunttalk

The Rule.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yes, you got her pegged.
Lost trail is one hell of an insecure person.
Trolls just like a liberal.

Information Update:

The lady in question has retained the services of Chuck Michel. Their firm is handling the required court appearances.

I was a bit worried that she might just go it alone, and am relieved that she has counsel now.

My experience is that California is money hungry, and state agencies are often little more than tax collectors with badges. My hope is that they will look at who is representing her and decide that it isn't worth the battle.

Good luck to your friend.

What's interesting to me is that part of a criminal prosecution is proving intent. Seeing as how no reasonable person would intentionally carry a firearm through a metal detector, you'd expect some challenges on intent. But I'm sure the laws are written to account for that.

Glad to hear the lady retained Chuck Michel. He ought to be able to keep her out of jail ... which is what the D. A., Gascon, will seek. Best wishes to the lady.

Denton, please keep us informed.

L.W.

Depends what part the jet is flying under in the US as to screening, but a personal plane in the US, no. International flights can be a completely different matter and subject to their laws as well as requirements that must be met prior to entering US airspace. Pretty sure he was leaving on the same private jet he entered on but had to go through some type of customs screening prior to leaving the airport.

Denton, thanks for the update.

I hope your friend comes out of this in fairly good shape. Albeit a bit lighter in the savings dept.

There care general intent crimes, and specific intent. And intent can be presumed.

If she intended to board that ship, with that bag, that's likely enough. If she grabbed the wrong bag, then no.

Otherwise, every speeding ticket would fall to "I didn't know how fast I was going." Which can be true - but it's your job to know.

You raise an interesting point, but so too have many criminals, so "intent" is not that great of a defense usually.

OK, here's the report on how it turned out:

As reported, she hired Chuck Michel, which was apparently a very good move. The DA has dropped all charges. She's out a few $K in legal fees, but she is off the hook.

Since charges were dropped, and the case is resolved, I suppose she might even get her revolver back. The mechanics of getting that done may be more effort than the gun is worth.

Great news!

Better outcome than I expected.

Lazy DA- - - - -doesn't want to play bumper tag with a chainsaw. When my brother turned up as the attorney for clients being harassed by the IRS, they usually dropped, or at least reduced their charges. He had turned more than one agent into a quivering bowl of Jell-O on the witness stand, and they were really gun shy about tangling with him.

Chuck Michel is the Clarence Darrow of our time for 2nd Amendment rights.

Good deal!

She better forget about getting that gun back.

So relieved to hear this.

Good news.

Thanks for the report. Very glad to hear the positive outcome.

Glad to hear she is free and clear with no felony on her record, and no fine either. Good ending.

L.W.

How many cruise ships dock in Kansas?