What did he do to Trump? I forgot.

Someone was praising John M the other day….

He got caught by the NV... Not a hero according to Trump.

Plane crashed, 2 broken legs and other injuries....not a hero.

Didn’t do
He didn’t do anything to Trump, screwed over the American people royally.

How was that, again I can’t remember.

He was the bagman for the Steele dossier (the fabricated Russia collusion)

Why explain it, you will obviously just forget again.

So you can’t

McCain was responsible for one or more incidents aboard ship involving aircraft. He got captured by the NVA and capitalized on that to become a US Senator. He promoted the Russian collusion thing against Trump prompting Trump to say I prefer my heroes don’t get captured. McCain was the deciding vote in deciding not to abolish Obamacare because Trump twisted his shorts in a knot.

McCain was a terrible Senator for Arizona. He was a prick and they didn’t televise his funeral because they had to screw him into the ground he was so crooked. There is no doubt he won’t be needing a jacket where he spends eternity. Probably waiting for hitlery as we speak.

He was a neocon scumbag

McCain was an elitist who thought his destiny was the Presidency.

He was that.

Mcstain was an illegal alien loving, neocon toady. Piece of elitist trash from the jump. For many decades.

The bovine daughter he sired with the chick he married when he came back to the states after shîtting on the wife who stood by him through his stint as a POW is mildly bangable.

He’s rotting in hell and I’d sooner pisz on his grave than not.

There's a word for it........its coming to me..............its right on the tip of my tongue. I'm amazed none of you hasn't said it already.

Bazinga! Got it.

TRAITOR.

Ok, now there’s one of the explanations I was looking for. Thanks gruff.

And this . Thanks.

He also took the Clinton paid for russian dossier on Trump and forwarded it to the fbi....starting "crossfire hurricane".

What a piece of s hit

He was a big part of the peepee tape hoax as well.

He killed servicemen on a navy ship with his plane as well, I do not know the specifics but it has been put forth by many with more knowledge and insight than I that he not only achieved his rank/position but survived the resultant scandal because of his father.

Dont forget he an obama an lisa graham founded and funded ISIS

Billy! No picking on the "Bovine Daughter" there was just a thread here dedicated to Hoggin' and Chubby chasing🤣

He closed his eyes for the final time knowing Trump was President and he never was. That for him had to be worse than hell.

He is also widely accused of causing the fire on board of the USS Forrestal.

Many conspiracy theorists believe he was exonerated because of his family heritage and deep rooted connections inside the Navy.

Research "Johnny Wet Start."

I am no McStain supporter, but IIRC someone (maybe here...Jorge, maybe?) debunked the story of the flight deck disaster McCain was supposedly involved in. Don't quote me on that, though...I wouldn't know one way or the other.

McCain made propaganda broadcasts for North Viet Nam while he was a POW, and then went on to be one of the worst senators on record- - - -repeatedly backstabbing his party and his constituents. His was also the deciding "no" vote that prevented Obamacare from being repealed. A total scumbag, from his military career, to his political shenanigans. They probably had to install a dedicated sewer line to drain the pizz away from his gravesite!

Agreed. Bad pilot. DADDY saved his bacon so he could be a sub-par pilot and cost the taxpayers one Navy jet over Viet Nam, excluding his previous aircraft 'incidents'.

Remind me of his active aviation exploits such as the recently deceased Astronaut Frank Borman.

Even if he had an exemplary military career, his post military career sucked. So fugk him since it affected every American whether or not you voted for him.

US senator from ‘87 to ‘18. LOL

I'm not saying he was culpable but listening to Jorge about anything ain't a real bright idea.

LOL

McCain was in cahoots with charles keatiing (lincoln S&L and the crash of the saving and loan banks over toxic loans sold as derivatives) also, I think he got censured

McCain was a globalist,Trump is not.Trump is for America first.He is the biggest threat to the globalist trying to create their NWO government.Biden is doing exactly what the globalist want.Search 2030 Agenda.If you understand this,you understand the motive behind stopping Trump.Every President since at least G.H. Bush has been a part of this and many before him as well,except Trump.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/globalist-john-mccain-decries-new-world-order-enormous-strain/

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4659934/user-clip-bush-world-order

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.o...%20Development%20web.pdf?ref=truth11.com

Mildly hell, ask LBP. I'd hit it but I wouldn't brag about it lol

He played the douschy “I’m a normal respectable Republican” stance.

And McLame loved him some MIC… never met a nation he wouldn’t love to bomb… when Pres Trump called Iraq a mistake McLame, along with all the other NeoCon RINOS was PISSED

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His Son in law, Ben Domenech is a douchebag.

He was an unindicted co-conspirator in the Abscam mess. He voted with the democrats many times against his party. The media was giddy naming him the Maverick. He was an arrogant ass and could well afford to be. The RNC must have loved him because they nominated him to run for president. We truly have had a uniparty for many years.

A friend of mine worked on McCains security detail for a bit. He said the McCains are some of the worst people he's ever met and he's been in law enforcement a long time.

Also met an old navy pilot on the midway tour in San Diego back about when McCain was running. He said if the Vietnamese hadn't shot him down all the other pilots would have soon Fragged him. Said McCain was easily the most hated guy on the boat.

McCain also voted against the repeal of Obama care and screwed up the best shot we had at torpedoing it.

McCain was supposed to be completely against Obama's signature piece of trash legislation and had campaigned against it for years. But, given the chance he sided with Obama and screwed over millions in a petty vindictive act over a personal grudge. My friend said he was a petty and arrogant narcissist who only considered others long enough to criticize or make fun of them. That voted that screwed us all because Trump hurt his feelings proved how selfish and nasty he was.

Bb

Made french fries

McCain even turned on Sarah Palin in the end and she had been faithful. He was just a sorry privileged individual.

flave, Daddy (John McCain Jr) was an Admiral overseeing the Pacific fleet while his son (McStain) got away with all types of chicanery, on board and off. IMHO, he thought it was his turn for the presidency. And then, when Trump came along he was infuriated by Trump's popularity and breath of fresh air from the DC MIC neocons, of which McCain was the poster child. McCain was no nationalist, unlike Trump. He did everything he could to destroy Trump, even if it meant that his contstituents suffered. I doubt you'll find many Arizonans who remember him favorably.

IMHO, he was a total pos.

Yes.

His grandfather was also a big dog. Had quite the career. The grandson was viewed as "untouchable" according to many.

Exactly, he was hotdogging on the USS Forrestal, hot started his A-4 Skyhawk, caused explosion/fire that killed 134 sailors and injured 161.

"Untouchable". Exactly. I've read plenty of negative accounts by his naval aviator brethren. They hated him.

This ,single handedly fuct every amerikan taxpayer up the pooper for eternity to be able to show DT the middle finger.
I could have forgiven him the rest of his douche-baggery but not this.

John you died miserably because you were a miserable excuse for a man and human being.

The epitome of a RINO. Spoke out against Obamacare. Campaigned against Obamacare.

When the R’s had the senate and repealing Zerocare was on the docket, instead of doing what was right, he took pride in voting against something that would give Trump a “win.” Actually thought he was hurting DJT. Stuck it to the rest of us.

Not that the R’s would have actually done anything after repealing, but that is a totally different rant.

‘Gruff, the incident on board the USS Forrestal was caused by a zuni rocket that was launched off a F4 Phantom by an electronic glitch. McCain flew A4’s… You seem to love parroting “False News”. I’m not defending his actions as a politician.

He served our country.

^^^more proof he is a schidt bag

It’s recorded that a zuni rocket mistakenly fired by a F4 started the fire, care to provide some other information?

Lets pretend that is true. I'm not saying it is, and any "documentation" that it is is suspect on its face, given his connections and the plethora of folks that've come forth saying otherwise.

You'll note I did not mention his nickname of "songbird". Whether that is true or not isn't for me to say.

Everything else he did was undeniable even by you.

He was a piece of shît and the U.S. is better for him being out of the picture. He did a lot of damage while he was above ground.

That is what the investigation found.

Conspiracy theorists believe that investigation was akin to the Warren Commission, so don't plan on convincing anyone the federal government always uncovers the truth.

^^^Libtard.^^^

Whatever he did in the Navy, set that aside. What he did in the US Senate was enough to justify a pauper's grave for him IMO.

He served himself. Dumped his loyal wife. Married into money. Total POS.

You all are being much too kind to John McCain.

Never Forget:

To be fair, Naval aviators hate everyone that isn't their favorite Naval aviator.

LOL

Don’t ya hate it when they call you “my friends”? It’s code for “hold still while I slip this in””.

Bingo! Pettily screwed us over with bam bam care like a petulant child. One of many times he did a # on us. POS
It's hot where he's at.

He WAS a petulant child. If he were still alive, he'd be sitting next to Cheney, voting right along with her.

Certainly won't argue that.

Something about a Jet on the Carrier Forestall..

Deciding Vote to Keep The Black Jesus Health Care Mandate..

Chuck Foo Bitch ..

Like a bull services a heifer!

This.

Solid Deep State anti-American Cabal ring owned by the NWO. Got famous for supposedly spending years in solitary confinement as a prisoner in Nam when he was actually living the life of luxury in a Hanoi hotel with a couple of fine Vietnamese gals.

Well, his dad was the top commanding officer over the war there other than the President.

This. Makes him and Zero subversives to our constitution.

Stole millions in the AZ savings and loan criminal enterprise.

Almost single handedly ended all US Govt action to investigate and search for MIAs in Nam, many who were reported by other countries as surviving in captivity there..

mccain is an example of a failed democratic system. The fact that arizona kept electing that A hole all those times. He was petty and his own anger and butt hurt feelings impact how he voted. The guy stayed in the senate for the very end and should have resigned long before his death.

Same as Romney.

Would you say the same thing about mittens if the Utards send him to DC again?

mc cains father was an admiral and covered up the attack on the USS Liberty by the jews

I voted for him in the presidential election.

I voted for him in the presidential election.

RINO Romney is a family tradition- - - -Daddy George ran American Motors into bankruptcy before becoming governor of Michigan. He was born in Mexico to American expatriates and moved with his family to Utah as a child. Mitt is just a carbon copy of his father's self serving incompetence.

Bishop Romney.

Biggest thing I remember is hwen he had the opportunity to shut down Obamacare and he royally fugged us over.

No big thang eh viking?

I would. I can't stand mitty. He should not be allowed to run as a republican. My inlaws used to worship him because his dad helped my MIL's family immigrate to the US from Switzerland when she was a kid and her dad worked as Mitts dads gardener. They're about the same age but now they say they won't vote for him again.

Ok, now back to McCain. His last wife was very petty and vindictive too. Didn't want Trump at the funeral. I thought Trump should have just sent 2 Russian hookers to pee on his grave.

Bb

How the fugk would they vote for him again you electric Pacifica driving tard?

AFAIC, that will be his legacy.

Hey he is apart of the brotherhood....

McStain and Mittens are cut from the same cloth…. Both asswipes

No he wasn't..

While we all share a mutual disdain for McCain as a politician, unfounded and just ignorant posts like this one (and others), destroy your credibility.
1. He didn't crash, he was shot down on a dive bombing run in the most heavily defended AAA area in history. He didn't break his legs, it was his shoulder after a high speed ejection
2. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY back then got single seat selection without having the requisite grades to qualify.
3. He was a Silver Star recipient
4. He had NOTHING to do with the fire on the Oriskavy OR the Forrestal

Other than that, he was a scumbag politician, corrupt and a betrayer of our nation's principles.

McCain did lose two Navy aircraft while piloting them. One crash was found to be McCain’s fault, the other due to an engine failure of undetermined cause. A third was destroyed on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal when a missile fired accidentally from another plane hit either the plane next to McCain’s or, less likely, his own aircraft, triggering a disastrous fire that killed 134 sailors and nearly killed McCain. A fourth plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi.

A fifth alleged “crash” turns out to be a misinterpretation of a flight accident that did not result in the loss of the aircraft. McCain admitted to causing that incident through “daredevil clowning” but returned safely.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/

I would bet that without his daddy being in such a high position to protect him he would have been relieved of flying duties due to his plane crashes. He was kinda like George Armstrong Custer - in over his head...

And now Custer? double your ignorance. BTW, what is your experience with Naval Aviation to make those assertions?

So McCain earned a "reverse ace" award. 5 planes

He was a rino fug and more often than not voted demotard all you gotta know a scumbag.

I had the chance to be in a small setting with Charlie Plumb who was a POW with McCain.

In a nutshell, he had respect for what McCain did while a POW. McCain created ways for the POW's to communicate and keep hope. McCain also took torture so that other soldiers did not have to suffer.

However, he was not a fan of his politics.

McCain always seemed to use his time as POW to wield some type of "free pass" to side with the liberals in how he thought.
He had a huge ego, and when Trump came on board, they basically measured each other's penis adnoauseum.

He is the reason Obama Care was pushed over the finish line, all in spite in my opinion.

The other choice was the magic knee grow. Republicans knew McCain was marginally electable at best, but it was his turn and they chose Sarah Palin to bolster his chances. They figured a Muslim born in Kenya had zero chance of being elected seven years after 9/11. See what I did there.

The democraps used this election to further hone their election tampering techniques and they got the black Jesus in the White House.

In spite of all his screw ups and transgressions against the American people, McCain’s legacy will surely be his butt hurt vote to keep Obamacare in place.

Hmm, perhaps history. Custer was bottom of his class (34 of 34) and McCain was 5th from the bottom (894 of 899). Can you imagine that - 894th of 899. Damn sure helped that your daddy was a Navy Admiral. Unless you have proof othewise.

You are so correct jorge. I can't believe the diatribe I have just read. I don't care for his politics but he was a Naval Aviator who was shot down over North Vietnam and was a POW for several years. That in itself would tend to screw up your thinking. I admire the man but not the politician. The next thing ya'll will be accusing him of is that he and Oswald shot President Kennedy. Unreal.

Jim

The proof is that Custer performed outstandingly, especially during the Civil War and as far as McCain, his "daddy" had nothing to do with his selection, NOTHING, nor his receiving a Silver Star or any of his other awards. The burden of proof is on YOU, Ace and again I ask, what is your expertise regarding Naval Aviation or for that matter the Navy in general?

Just like JFK, McCain milked his dismal military career into politics. While JFK got our country though some dark times, McCain worked tirelessly to empower the progressives and globalists to make our country weaker.

Dismal? he retired as an 0-6, then there's this:


THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY

WASHINGTON D. C. 20350

The President of the United States takes pleasure in presenting the SILVER STAR MEDAL to

COMMANDER JOHN S. MC CAIN III
UNITED STATES NAVY

for service as set forth in the following

CITATION:

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity while interned as a Prisoner of War in North Vietnam from 27 October to 8 December 1967. His captors, completely ignoring international agreements, subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly toward the eventual abandonment of harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese, which was attracting international attention. By his determination, courage, resourcefulness, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces.

For the President,
J. William Middendorf
Secretary of the Navy
Signed at Naval Air Station, Cubi Point,
Republic of the Philippines

Silver Star Medal


US Navy Release of documents

I despised Senator McCain, but at least I don't let my disdain for him cloud what he accomplished and "dismal" is bullshit

Good to have daddy looking out for him.

Again, he and JFK had a lot in common...

Well...STRSdumbass would have been an O7.

Well...if he wasn't going to leave the country because his clam is sandy.

You are so fullofshit, quit embarrasing yourself...

You guys are vishuss. I know I spelled it wrong (vicious) but you get the idea.

McCain typified everything that's wrong with the criminal elite in this country. Made the grade on daddies coattails....made maximum use of his POW stint to bamboozle everybody. Was the maximum Neocon Rino....His Sumo lookalike daughter is cut from the same mold!

But the sheep never learn.

MAGA!

We are obviously talking about two different John McCain's. The version I was speaking of graduated at the bottom 1% of his class, was known as a playboy, didn't want to do the work, whose career was going nowhere and was talked out of dropping out of the military. Then he was shot down.

If his daddy hadn't been a highly regarded Admiral, John would have been driving a bus around the clouds at best.

Post it up Cap'n CutnPaste!

Love to have seen his Paw Paw face when he was notified that Johnny BeGood went Down..

“ Well he did take after his Ho Mothers Side “

Another example of our system of education...reading comprehension is a challenge.. Being that McCain's "daddy" retired in 1972 whilst John S was still a POW he had nothing to do with his promotion to Commander, then later to Captain and his receiving the Silver Star. No issues with your initial statement but this "daddy" bullshit aside from being WRONG is pedantic.

John "it's my turn" McCain failed to beat Obama. Despite being loved by the left. If all the people on the left that loved him had actually voted for him, we would have forgotten Obama existed. Oh, my bad, the left didn't love him until he started talking $@1t about Trump.

When he was running for President he was just another white, elitist, racist Noughzi, that was going to end SS,over turn RvW, only help the rich and destroy America. Or, whatever the legacy media has said about every republican presidential canidate going back to at least Reagan. After he spoke out against Trump, all was forgiven.

…and everything he did and didn’t do was sanctioned by the GOP/RNC.

The Republican Establishment had no intention of overturning Obama Care, it was just simply Campaign Fodder to them.

When it came time to actually vote, The Republican Leadership chose McCain to cast the deciding vote so they, with the help of the media, could blame Trump for his mean tweets and his Unpresidential comments.

It worked to, Obama Care stayed, Trump got the blame and as we see in this thread, it has been forgotten.

Yeah, right. One of the dumbest guy in his class is the best pilot. HA HA HA HA

Good that he was not flying for a US Airline!

Are you too stupid to remember the old saying - not what you know but who you know? John McCain knew it in spades....and lived it.

Most of the people that have actually been in the USN know that McCain was little more than a spoiled frat boy who only got to where he was in the USN and then the senate by riding on the coattails of his father and grandfather, both of whom were 4 star admirals. If he hadn't had several 4 stars in his family he would have been kicked out of both the Naval Academy and flight school. He was directly responsible for crashing numerous planes and even when he was shot down he was operating in an area and in a manner that was against the orders of the mission.

Bottom line he was a clown and a fool.

EXACTLY!

A low-life scumbag that should have died dangling under his chute before it hit the ground.

The fact that AZ turned blue once he was gone tells you all you need to know.

Barry Goldwater is the gold standard in AZ politics. John McCain is a dried dog turd in comparison.

Cindy McCain was very rich and the McCains were influential in Az. Politics. Like all incumbents he was a comfortable old shoe but a very stinky one. It’s hard to let go of the power and fame. He ended up dying a bitter old man disgracing the party that elected him. To this day his family carries on his tradition of grudge politics. Wherever his sole, if he ever had one, is it is most likely not resting in peace.

Bragging, Apologizing or Just trying to point out that you are an idiot?

obvious thanks for reposting. pilots are like doctors and will defend incompetent, dangerous co workers idiots who should have never gotten the job

Yes, the Rs are full of NWO puppets who are bought off, blackmailed, or threatened. So?

They are being drained just as Trump said it would be done and as Q let us know. The Old guard is being turned out for the new.

Just another lucky Quincidence, of course.

It's called a Swamp for a reason. Remember when you were letting us know if Trump had any brains and could pick good help he would have had it drained in a few years as you.would have done?

Boom.

Still have not heard 1 person say it. The simple matter of fact is this McCain was picked and pushed by the left MSM as the republican presidential nominee . Once that was secured they dropped him like a used condom to push Obama. Yup the msm picked and pushed the republican loser and the Democrat loser to win all in 1 presidential election. Think back we all watched those commie bastard media fugs do just that. The main stream media azzholes have alot to answer for.
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Another moron(s) making gross generalizations to prove a point they have NO CLUE as to WTF they are writing about.

Dude

What’s your Story..

McStain should have been Tacked to a Silver Cross for all to See ..

Your WWII Reverence to Medals is Appalling in McStain Case

He is the Face of the Wicked..

BS and I dont give a damn if you were a navy pilot. I served with Capt. Jack Cassidy who was in the same squadron as McCain in Vietnam when he was shot down. Jack Cassidy wore 2 Navy Crosses and was the navigator on the USS Abraham Lincoln when he was my dept head. He went on to Command the USS Bon Homme Richard and I know for damn sure what he thought of the Baby McCain!

Dont you dare try to call this Chief Petty Officer a moron!

This man have been mentioned, but. McCain was one of the members of the gang of eight. 4 dems and 4 republicans. So was Little Marco. In that joint effort they almost shoved amnesty down our throats. Had it not been for him obama care would have been repealed after Trump got elected but due to his bitter hate for Trump McCain saved it. He also threw the election to obama by not running a campaign to actually win. He knew as well as we do that obama was set to destroy America if elected. He and Romney sahe much of the blame for both term of obama.

Well, Chief, your anecdotal stories notwithstanding and I have no reason nor doubt as to your veracity, but some of us also have the same "six degrees of separation" stories about McCain, but you are still missing the point. Regardless of his personal traits (which were atrocious), his mediocre performance at USNA (but he did pass), the fact he would up flying single seat aircraft had nothing to do with his influence on the system, NONE. I was a flight instructor. His flight grades are in the public record.

He might have been a terrible Naval Officer, but his flight grades are available for all to see at the Naval Aviation Museum. You know I was there. I also looked up George Bush's (41), Pappy Boyington's (now there's another stellar individual) and several astronauts. Same for McCain's Silver Star. He earned that. That is my point, just because we ALL (all means it includes me) despise the man, it does not detract from his flying skills as an aviator, nor his bravery whilst a POW.

boom?

boom2

Speaking of morons...

This is Hunter's Campfire, you want Harvard Debate Union.

I suppose next you will tell us what war heros John Kerry and Max Cleland were.

They got medals too.

None of that counters the fact that had it not been for having two 4 star officers in his family he would have been tossed from both the USNA and flight school. Your average cadet at the academy did not get the benefits he did, familial connections made all the difference. As I noted McCain was a spoiled frat boy.

And his time as a POW does not excuse decades of being a shi++y senator but he sure played that for all it was worth. Lastly this thread has ZERO to do with Bush or Boyington or astrnauts but rather just McCain. You may want to suck him off because you were a fellow pilot but dont try to blow smoke ip the ass of the Chief. It aint gonna work and the Chief will tell you go GFY in proper navy fashion.

As to your list of Navy Cross, I used a pseudonym since I do not have permission from the man to use his name. Do you really think the Chief is that dumb?

Talk about being a MORON! If McStain had "flying skills" he would not have crashed multiple planes.

Boyngton was a strange duck. He was an alcoholic and a bar room brawler in addition to being a good fighter pilot. I read where Joe Foss didn’t like him.

And you know this about USNA and Flight School how? I only bought up Bush and Boyington as an example that ALL flight records are public domain and McCain had JET GRADES, PERIOD. He wasn't responsible for the Forrestal fire PERIOD. He was a recipient of the Silver Star as a POW, PERIOD. He was a horrible Senator, corrupt as hell and a RINO (BTW< did you vote for him in 08?). As to your pseudonym reference, fair enough, but that link shows NO Aviators with dual Navy Crosses during Vietnam, what platform did "Cassidy" fly? . Lastly, you were an MAC (Master at Arms)? As to your question, you know the old adage of....Ask me no questions.....

EXACTLY! But differentiating facts are a challenge to some....

And they were both POS, so was McCain, only you're too f cling stupid to figure out what I was trying to point out. If I could, I'd piss on McCain's grave, but feel free (or anybody) to discuss grading criteria for the Naval Academy and Flight Training... I'll wait.

Are you on the side of Mccain being a good man? F ucks sake

He was a huge Rino, globalist pig. War mongering on the highest level. Allowed obama care to be forced onto us. He is nothing more than a traitor to freedom loving Americans

If I have to explain the politics of the military to you then we really don't have much to discuss. Those who were politically connected benefit from those connections. McCain, Kerry, Cleland and a host of others benefited far beyond their capabilities or performance.

Medals do not make the man.

Wasn't it Foss who claimed to be both a US ace (5 Zeros) and a Japanese ace (crashed/destroyed 5 US planes)?

McStain was a RINO turd, but some other thoughts. Do you think his daddy lost influence within the DOD/Navy just because he retired? Seems to me retirement would have freed him to pursue some avenues of influence that he could not, legitimately, as a serving officer, all while still maintaining his Service connections... Gone, from active service, but not forgotten. Not at that pay grade.

I have zero doubt McStain's family connections influenced his service, and the records put on paper, did not accurately and comprehensively reflect reality. It's the way the world works at that level. Spin it, if you can't deny it.

Comment on Custer - George, IIRC, had medals but not the MOH; His brother Tom, who died with him at the Little Big Horn, had two MOH, I read. I'll research that. Yet George got all the "glory" and publicity. MSM at the time...

Anyone think influence/connections do not count? Read "Unfit to Command" about Traitor John Kerry, who colluded with the enemy while still a Reserve service member, then after the Vietnam War, singlehandedly blocked a resolution holding NV accountable for accounting for our MIA, some of whom were likely still being held in captivity after the war. A few months later, his BIL landed a 10 million dollar contact to clean up one of the harbors over there. Co-incidental, I'm sure.

Now he is now one of Biden's appointees....Special Envoy (reward!) for Climate Change. Pays well, no doubt, with travel bennies for no actual productive "work".

Don't tell me family connections don't influence what happens to careers, and records - on paper, and fed to the public or ignored by MSM, all of whom are controlled propaganda outlets.

I have often wondered the true story behind PT109. Did it happen the way it went on paper, or were they drunk, hung-over, asleep out there?

Old Joe was a millionaire from bootlegging, and had both political and Mafia connections. Tough combination to beat.

More on Tom Custer - Wikipedia.

First man ever, and one of 19 to receive two MOH. Injins didn't care....

SPOT ON. On everything else, I'll defer to all of with SO MUCH expertise on Navy promotion and Selection Boards. Me, I only spent thirty years in the Navy, so what do I know...

I've seen almost nothing positive written about McCain and I questioned the degree to which he was credited with being the "song bird" in the POW camps- though I had read several accounts of how hated he was in his unit for the most part. Since we all have learned that the MSM isn't what we would call reliable sources of information I write most of that part of his history off to he said, she said...

However, his atrocious and corrupt behavior after leaving the military is well covered and public knowledge- partly because McCain himself couldn't stand the thought of being out of the limelight whenever possible. All his crooked exploits have been covered well enough in the posts above, but I will never forget that ridiculous parade around America for everyone to admire the dick head that was arranged by his family. The fact that Trump offered the Presidential plane for them to fly his body around the nation in a sign of offering an olive branch, and then the family saying they didn't want Trump at the funeral left a decidedly bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths including mine. But it was fitting that the family's last act was as petty and public as the ahole senator would have put forward himself....

Touché

I can't stand McCain the politician but I appreciate what he did and what he went through in that [bleep] "police action". Those of you who never served, were never in a war, or never a POW have no idea of what the man went through. Jorge, your heart is in the right place but you can't argue with ignorance. Once again, I hated the politician but who knows how much his time as a POW contributed to his actions later in life. He was a POW for over 5 years, The NV offered to let him out as a propaganda stunt but HE SAID NO. I can't believe the sorry son of a b-tch decided to stay and endure more horrendous suffering and torture. What a selfish SOB. John Kerry? Really?? He was nothing more than a glory hound. I am not sure he really earned any of his medals but I am not the one to judge. Alright, I am done in here. All you know it alls can go [bleep] yourselves. I am out of here.

Jim

Thanks for your service in wartime and I hope you’ve been able to come to terms with what happened in your time as a POW. I can’t imagine what you went through.


Have a happy thanksgiving

Sorry, but I don’t believe for one second that McCain “SAID NO”. That was pure propaganda used to launch his political career.