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Broomd: Cool video.
My 870's (12 gauge and 20 gauge) are ready!
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VarmintGuy
Indeed. Beretta 1301 needs a workout.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Indeed. Beretta 1301 needs a workout.

How do you like it? Been on my radar lately as something I need to add to the shopping list.
Broomd: What size shot (lead or steel also) do you recommend for shooting down those tiny to medium size drones?
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VarmintGuy
Cant imagine why a AA Trap Load in 7.5 wouldn't work
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Cant imagine why a AA Trap Load in 7.5 wouldn't work

8's.....
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Indeed. Beretta 1301 needs a workout.

How do you like it? Been on my radar lately as something I need to add to the shopping list.

Was this the one that Flave preferred over the Benelli?
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Broomd: What size shot (lead or steel also) do you recommend for shooting down those tiny to medium size drones?
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VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Cant imagine why a AA Trap Load in 7.5 wouldn't work

Yep, taking out the drone props seems to be where it's at. Almost anything should suffice, lead or steel, although I'd be wanting an Improved cylinder working for me in close combat. Scatter that stuff as much as possible in a quick draw situation.
Might be the first decent reason to own a Taurus Judge…😂
Pretty slow moving should be able to hit it with a rifle.
Kamikaze drones- - - - -nothing new under the sun- - - -they just don't need a pilot now like the Japanese did in WW II!
Double 12 Coach gun, improved cylinders and 8s............
And I continue to regret selling my Ithaca Mag 10 to my uncle.
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”


Well, he should have armed himself
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”

Well, he should have armed himself

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For close quarters BS like that. And yes, they do work. I’ve shot clay pigeons with them in my 44 mag
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Indeed. Beretta 1301 needs a workout.

How do you like it? Been on my radar lately as something I need to add to the shopping list.



Teal, I haven't shot it yet. That's why I said it needs a workout. I wanted a good optic and scoured the internet for one for a while. Ended up picking up an Aimpoint H2 micro 2MOA and a TAC Aridus Aimpoint micro cowitness mount. CROM-1301T-T2.

For now, I've got a Rem 870 Tactical loaded for bear and '56 Win Model 12 on deck.

How about you?
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Indeed. Beretta 1301 needs a workout.

How do you like it? Been on my radar lately as something I need to add to the shopping list.

Was this the one that Flave preferred over the Benelli?


IIRC, Yes.
A lead dove load would dishrag that drone.
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
A lead dove load would dishrag that drone.



#4 second shot, to put an exclamation point on it. 😄
Damn. The drone operators better have a good exit plan if their side loses. Videos like that could get your ass strung up from a lamp post at some point in the future, if things don't go your side's way.

Makes me want to take a close look at my shotguns. A couple of 12 gauge pumps with 18 or 20 inch barrels and threaded for chokes could be handy.
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”


Well, he should have armed himself

🤭
VR80 and a 20 round drum.
Originally Posted by auk1124
Damn. The drone operators better have a good exit plan if their side loses. Videos like that could get your ass strung up from a lamp post at some point in the future, if things don't go your side's way.

Looks a lot like a war crime in that video.
I wonder what ability there is to track the signals?

Unless they are like Predators?
Where in theater guys launch and maintain them, and distant operators
control them.


There have to be signals to be detected and tracked.
The Nazis did excellent work tracking radios signals, hunting Partisans.

Do we have Counter Drone capability, that mirrors the radar counter artillery.

Or like Wild Weasels?
Use the signals they use against you to kill them.

If not, we need to be moving that way fast.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Indeed. Beretta 1301 needs a workout.

How do you like it? Been on my radar lately as something I need to add to the shopping list.



Teal, I haven't shot it yet. That's why I said it needs a workout. I wanted a good optic and scoured the internet for one for a while. Ended up picking up an Aimpoint H2 micro 2MOA and a TAC Aridus Aimpoint micro cowitness mount. CROM-1301T-T2.

For now, I've got a Rem 870 Tactical loaded for bear and '56 Win Model 12 on deck.

How about you?

Well I'm fair to midlin with the CXS and I have the Garand here too, in case any of those dog looking Darpa robots come running. Course there's the AR and 2 different 1911's ready too.
Is this video real or just an AI video game?
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”


Those who are not White do not understand or respect Honor naturally... it's been proven throughout history.
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”


Well, he should have armed himself

He did. With a tank.
Probably need more spread than 00 or 000 can give. I'd go with #4 buckshot.
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Is this video real or just an AI video game?

That’s real and it’s happening A LOT right now in Ukraine.

I started a thread a month or so ago stating that shotguns would be the best defense against these drones. Seems that idea is catching on.
Don't know much about drones, but I have a Blue Dot, 3 3/4 dram 1 1/4 oz. of number 5's load that's just devastating to anything within range of an IC, & especially a LM choke.
Totally trusting my 870's here for 45 years, but realize autos getting more dependable all the time & I highly trust an M1 Benelli. And it doesn't need both hands to operate most of the time. Hint
I’d probably load hardened 5 shot. IC choke. Keep a few heavy, buffered loads for the far stuff.
Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Is this video real or just an AI video game?

That’s real and it’s happening A LOT right now in Ukraine.

I started a thread a month or so ago stating that shotguns would be the best defense against these drones. Seems that idea is catching on.


I don't doubt it's happening, but posted video has a multiple whiffs of fake.
8's would take down hobby drones. I don't know about the strength of military grade drones so magnum 4's just in case.
Not to rain on any parade, but looking a bit closer at the manner of dress of the person being pursued and the body language, might it be possible that the person in that picture was a woman, maybe even a civilian, maybe even a Ukrainian who might have been checking out an abandoned Russian tank?

Just asking, trying to make sense of what I was looking at.
The statute of limitations is over on this. I watched a Winchester AA 7.5 crush a giant Canada during dove season that was 25 yards above us. No doubt that drone would suffer a similar fate.
Would a 5.45x39 loaded with snake shot work?
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Is this video real or just an AI video game?

That’s real and it’s happening A LOT right now in Ukraine.

I started a thread a month or so ago stating that shotguns would be the best defense against these drones. Seems that idea is catching on.


I don't doubt it's happening, but posted video has a multiple whiffs of fake.

There are hundreds of videos of simple, civilian type drones dropping simple munitions on soldiers. The drone in this video is what they call an FPV or “kamikaze” drone. Many many videos of these as well, and they all seem to have some Norwegia-rigged triggering device on them. This is a crazy world we’re living in and that video is very real.
Some goose loads in BB,or T. You will want to take that thing out at a distance. If you are close enough to hit it with snake/ rat / dove shot, you are in the blast zone.
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Indeed. Beretta 1301 needs a workout.

How do you like it? Been on my radar lately as something I need to add to the shopping list.



Teal, I haven't shot it yet. That's why I said it needs a workout. I wanted a good optic and scoured the internet for one for a while. Ended up picking up an Aimpoint H2 micro 2MOA and a TAC Aridus Aimpoint micro cowitness mount. CROM-1301T-T2.

For now, I've got a Rem 870 Tactical loaded for bear and '56 Win Model 12 on deck.

How about you?

Well I'm fair to midlin with the CXS and I have the Garand here too, in case any of those dog looking Darpa robots come running. Course there's the AR and 2 different 1911's ready too.




Lol. I hear ya. I didn't get into the room by room. Without even tappin the safes.

And they're saying it's gonna get squirrelly in 2024 with more antifa and blm type riots. Funny thing, those rats never show up anywhere where citizens might defend themselves and their families and property.
And that right there is enough reason to change all drone laws and allow destruction of drones in anyone's personal space.
Originally Posted by Twopatch
Some goose loads in BB,or T. You will want to take that thing out at a distance. If you are close enough to hit it with snake/ rat / dove shot, you are in the blast zone.
I will stick with #4 lead.
Any shotgun suitable for upland bird or waterfowl hunting. Any lead or steel load suitable for same. 12 or 20.

A load of Federal Black Cloud and your favorite duck or goose gun would be perfect.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
And that right there is enough reason to change all drone laws and allow destruction of drones in anyone's personal space.

Agreed.

Bigger problem though…These are chincey little drones. U.S.gov doesn’t fool around with that junk. They’ve got the good stuff.
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Twopatch
Some goose loads in BB,or T. You will want to take that thing out at a distance. If you are close enough to hit it with snake/ rat / dove shot, you are in the blast zone.
I will stick with #4 lead.
Glad to see you and I finally agree on something. Damn few things a load of 4's won't fix..mb
The Jews in Israelis have been bragging about this capability for years. They advertise them as assassination tools, though.
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Cant imagine why a AA Trap Load in 7.5 wouldn't work
I don't know. Hickok45 was using that load on clay flower pots at about 20 yards and most of the pellets just left lead colored marks on them, only a couple penetrating.
Originally Posted by WMR
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”


Well, he should have armed himself

🤭
It's a movie quote. Unforgiven.
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Is this video real or just an AI video game?
Always a thought. Occurred to me, too. But I'll say, likely real.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
And that right there is enough reason to change all drone laws and allow destruction of drones in anyone's personal space.
Yep.
When those little drones first came onto the scene it was actually an SOP to "attempt" to use our shotguns to knock them down. However almost all the shotguns on the rack are geared towards breeching and have open chokes and 00 buck. Add to that that most soldiers couldn't shoot for chit and it turned pretty frugal
Nowadays we have much more effective countermeasures against them. But they still can be a threat.
if he is a soldier in a war zone, armed or not (and frankly, how can you tell one way or the other from the video?) he is fair game.
Originally Posted by Whiptail
Would a 5.45x39 loaded with snake shot work?

Snake loads are strictly short range, too short to save that guy from harm.

TSS is the correct answer. Very hard, and denser than lead, so it penetrates better. #9 TSS penetrates like #5 lead and a 12ga spits out a whole lot of them. They cost only a little more than a SAM.😜
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by Whiptail
Would a 5.45x39 loaded with snake shot work?

Snake loads are strictly short range, too short to save that guy from harm.

TSS is the correct answer. Very hard, and denser than lead, so it penetrates better. #9 TSS penetrates like #5 lead and a 12ga spits out a whole lot of them. They cost only a little more than a SAM.😜

/\ /\ TSS Black Cloud.
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
Originally Posted by Beretta_Shooter916
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
That’s pretty chicken [bleep]; killing an unarmed man like that. I know, “but Ukraine!”

Well, he should have armed himself

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

For close quarters BS like that. And yes, they do work. I’ve shot clay pigeons with them in my 44 mag

Those look fun.
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by Whiptail
Would a 5.45x39 loaded with snake shot work?

Snake loads are strictly short range, too short to save that guy from harm.

TSS is the correct answer. Very hard, and denser than lead, so it penetrates better. #9 TSS penetrates like #5 lead and a 12ga spits out a whole lot of them. They cost only a little more than a SAM.😜
Tungsten.
You need to go after the overhead drone or whatever is providing the video and/or a guidance link unless the “pilot” is pretty close.
Originally Posted by navlav8r
You need to go after the overhead drone or whatever is providing the video and/or a guidance link unless the “pilot” is pretty close.

These drone pilots are imbedded with ground units. They usually aren’t too far from the action. Well within range of even the simple drones being used in Ukraine. In a way, they’re kind of like a modern mortar team. Indirect fire at the small unit level.
But they do also have recon drones surveying the battlefield that are also a factor and used in concert with the FPV and simple bomber drones.
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I wonder what ability there is to track the signals?

Unless they are like Predators?
Where in theater guys launch and maintain them, and distant operators
control them.


There have to be signals to be detected and tracked.
The Nazis did excellent work tracking radios signals, hunting Partisans.

Do we have Counter Drone capability, that mirrors the radar counter artillery.

Or like Wild Weasels?
Use the signals they use against you to kill them.

If not, we need to be moving that way fast.
Does someone have to have a visual on the target to be successful?

Seems like a cheap and effective way to hunt down dissidents,,,,, or on the other hand.. those in power that just wont listen.....
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