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Posted By: wabigoon The Colorado River? - 03/01/24
Is it true it is dry before it runs in the ocean?
Posted By: tdbob Re: The Colorado River? - 03/01/24
Yes, it's been that way for years.
Posted By: Jcubed Re: The Colorado River? - 03/01/24
You could also Google your questions, read, and learn.

LA Times article...
Posted By: Rapier Re: The Colorado River? - 03/01/24
California be required to pump the run off water back into the Colorado River VS out to sea, just reverse the pumps in the pipe line to suck. CA should be used to that action.
Posted By: Jcubed Re: The Colorado River? - 03/01/24
Originally Posted by Rapier
California be required to pump the run off water back into the Colorado River VS out to sea, just reverse the pumps in the pipe line to suck. CA should be used to that action.


Umm. No.
Posted By: RiverRider Re: The Colorado River? - 03/01/24
I don't know if it's still this way, but the US had to construct a desalination plant to treat the river water before it flowed those few miles through Mexico into the Gulf of California. I believe some treaty mandated that...and it was not cheap, either. Pretty stupid.
Posted By: CCCC Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Is it true it is dry before it runs in the ocean?
I have not been down south of Yuma for quite a while, so can't give visual verification. But, if the Colorado is not dried up at land level by the time it gets to the Gulf of California, there still will be not much surface water to see. I would not be surprised if it is dry.

Just review the history of its watershed versus usage. It's last feeder in AZ, the Gila River, was dry west from Phoenix about 90% of the time when we lived down there in the early 60s.
Posted By: DHN Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Is it true it is dry before it runs in the ocean?
Just review the history of its watershed versus usage. It's last feeder in AZ, the Gila River, was dry west from Phoenix about 90% of the time when we lived down there in the early 60s.
I remember one of the news channels doing a story, I think it was early '80s, on the Salt River in an especially wet event. Water was running in the channel near Sky Harbor; they said it was the first time in 54 years.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
IO understand whitewater rafting is quite the sport.
Posted By: smokepole Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Is it true it is dry before it runs in the ocean?

Yes but it's also wet before it gets to the ocean so how's a guy supposed to know
Posted By: Sycamore Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by RiverRider
I don't know if it's still this way, but the US had to construct a desalination plant to treat the river water before it flowed those few miles through Mexico into the Gulf of California. I believe some treaty mandated that...and it was not cheap, either. Pretty stupid.

it's complicated, nearly unbelievable, and fair.

I can explain it if you would like.
Posted By: Sycamore Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Is it true it is dry before it runs in the ocean?

yes, most years, unless there is an exceptional runoff year, or an experiment.

both major upstream storage units (Mead and Powell) are fairly low now, so it would take a few wet years to have so much in storage that they would need pass water past the last turnout.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Impossible to live without water.
Posted By: bcp Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
I think Morelos Dam is where Mexico takes out their irrigation water. Google image search has some pictures with a dry riverbed below the dam.

Bruce
Posted By: kaywoodie Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Starts up above our family ranch in Colorado. About a 1/4 mile of it is ranch boundary up in the NE corner.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Bob, every put your bare foot in the river? I have the Mississippi.
Posted By: kaywoodie Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Bob, every put your bare foot in the river? I have the Mississippi.

No, but I’ve caught Rainbow trout with my hands in the red top irrigation ditch runs up at the base of the mountain.
Posted By: mark shubert Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
The problem starts in western Colorado.
Too many years of minimal snowpack have dried up what is basically an over allocated (from the very beginning) river.
You can't pass on something that never arrives to you.
There is an ongoing (many years) fight over the issue right now. Seems there will be a settlement before too long.
Posted By: Sycamore Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
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Posted By: ERK Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Sounds like to many people living in a desert to me. What could go wrong. Edk
Posted By: Valsdad Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Cool illustration Sycamore.

Pretty much as I know it. Didn't know the All American actually gets more water than the Aqueduct, I would have expected the same or perhaps a little more going to SoCal.
Posted By: Sycamore Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Colorado River aqueduct is for drinking water mostly, the All American aqueduct is for agriculture (need a lot more)
Posted By: slumlord Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by Sycamore
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Cool diagram Syc

This was my Dispersed camping campsite BLM at 8200 ft above Flaming Gorge in July.

Thought I was short of breath from the elevation but it was undiagnosed radiation pneumonitis from cancer trtnents. Silly me.

Anyway

Nice geography stayed 3 days rolled on. Free ranging cattle were our only other guests.

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Posted By: Valsdad Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by Sycamore
Colorado River aqueduct is for drinking water mostly, the All American aqueduct is for agriculture (need a lot more)
I'll say, growing lettuce in the desert will do that.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Sycamore
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Cool diagram Syc

This was my Dispersed camping campsite BLM at 8200 ft above Flaming Gorge in July.

Thought I was short of breath from the elevation but it was undiagnosed radiation pneumonitis from cancer trtnents. Silly me.

Anyway

Nice geography stayed 3 days rolled on. Free ranging cattle were our only other guests.

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WTH?

How'd you manage that, you're wabi's puppet.
Posted By: Craigster Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Posted By: BeanMan Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
I look down on “The Mighty Colorado” from my backyard. It’s not so mighty here just before the Gunnison dumps into it.
Posted By: Jcubed Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Do I get a star?
Posted By: naiche Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
80 families use most of the water for growing Alfalfa hay they ship to Saudi Arabia. I say let them eat oil.
Posted By: 700LH Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
One of the largest ecological disasters of the 20th century
Posted By: Sycamore Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Sycamore
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Cool diagram Syc

This was my Dispersed camping campsite BLM at 8200 ft above Flaming Gorge in July.

Thought I was short of breath from the elevation but it was undiagnosed radiation pneumonitis from cancer trtnents. Silly me.

Anyway

Nice geography stayed 3 days rolled on. Free ranging cattle were our only other guests.

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Slumlord,

that's a beauty!

I always choose a spot with a view when I can. May get a little breezy, but worth it, to me.
Posted By: AZmark Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
I spent 30 yrs working on Lower Colorado River water projects. Started living at Parker Dam in 84 working Central Az Proj. Plants. Then went on to Waddell Dam/Lake Pleasant pump/gen plant construction/startup/operations. First plant on lake Havasu has 6 - 60000 HP single stage Francis turbine pumps lifts water over 800’ on first lift pumping over 3000cfs.
US Bureau of Reclamation built a huge desalination plant by Yuma about the same time, was a huge failure. That was part of the treaty to provide Mexico with a share of useable water.
California who had less runnoff into CO river get most the water all through politics that started many many years ago.
Posted By: CCCC Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
When we lived up on the Colorado, at Parker, AZ in the early 60s, the river was simply taken for granted as a wonderful supply of water for ag and living, and for recreational boating and great fishing. This was before the Lake Havasu development had begun, but the local farming and the larger scale ag operations lower in AZ in the Wellton/Mohawk District and the Yuma area were in full play. Water was a given. We all enjoyed the running Colorado sans souci.

However, even back then, the CA water grabbers were at work - and Las Vegas was starting to grow - and knowledgeable worry-warts were uttering warnings about the eventualities. The Central AZ Project was soon under design/construction and, as it crept down its eventual path across AZ to the two bigger cities, those warnings resounded in one's head.

Now - the full issue has fully arrived.
Posted By: AZmark Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by CCCC
When we lived up on the Colorado, at Parker, AZ in the early 60s, the river was simply taken for granted as a wonderful supply of water for ag and living, and for recreational boating and great fishing. This was before the Lake Havasu development had begun, but the local farming and the larger scale ag operations lower in AZ in the Wellton/Mohawk District and the Yuma area were in full play. Water was a given. We all enjoyed the running Colorado sans souci.

However, even back then, the CA water grabbers were at work - and Las Vegas was starting to grow - and knowledgeable worry-warts were uttering warnings about the eventualities. The Central AZ Project was soon under design/construction and, as it crept down its eventual path across AZ to the two bigger cities, those warnings resounded in one's head.

Now - the full issue has fully arrived.


Yeah...............that whole Parker area is a dive.

At least the CAP allowed AZ to take its full allotment of water that CA had been using for years since AZ had no means to take it. CAP even put in ground water recharge projects so they could take water that was/is unused by AZ. This stopped CA from taking it any longer which lessened their chances to claim it permanently. The downside to this was AZ now had water for population expansion and quickly is turning into another CA.

I lived at Parker Dam Govt housing then when they first opened the flood gates which hadn't been used except for operational exercising since the dam was commissioned in 1938 after the 83 flooding. It was nasty smelling mist that rose up in the air and settled at the housing project depending on wind direction. Typically the full river flow is released through the turbines.
Posted By: RiverRider Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
Originally Posted by Sycamore
Originally Posted by RiverRider
I don't know if it's still this way, but the US had to construct a desalination plant to treat the river water before it flowed those few miles through Mexico into the Gulf of California. I believe some treaty mandated that...and it was not cheap, either. Pretty stupid.

it's complicated, nearly unbelievable, and fair.

I can explain it if you would like.

If I want more info, I'll go get it. F uck YOU and all the miserable leftist demokunts like you.
Posted By: RIO7 Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
When I was a boy many years ago my Grandfather and me would fish the Colorado River between Glenwood Springs and Silt, or at the bridge at Rifle, My grandfather told me, this water will be worth more than Gold in the future. Rio7
Posted By: duke61 Re: The Colorado River? - 03/02/24
By the time it gets to the Sea of Cortez its a trickle. CA and AZ not only use a lot of its water but they usually slow down its flow to Mexico after the growing season.
Posted By: CCCC Re: The Colorado River? - 03/03/24
In the 60s, the "community" called Parker Dam was an employee housing setup for the Metropolitan Water District (California) on the CA side of the river at the dam. The kids from there came to school in Parker. They had a full time doctor up there on the AZ side of the river and, sometimes by special arrangement, we could see him for certain med needs/treatments.

From below that dam all the way to the dam in Parker, the locals had named that fairly still water Lake Moovalya, and many water resorts (motel plus docks/boats plus bar) operated along the AZ side. There were quite a few water events during the year but, by far, the biggest was the 24 hour enduro race for several classes of boats. Hundreds of racing boats and associated crowds (mostly from CA coastal places) jammed into the area for a loooong weekend. It was akin to a nightmare, but the racing stuff was fun.

As a budding gearhead, I got to see and learn about the various power and drive setups. The most impressive were the unlimited setups driven by big Allison. Rolls Royce, etc. aircraft engines. Interesting days. I have wondered if that stuff still goes on.
Posted By: FatCity67 Re: The Colorado River? - 03/03/24
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Posted By: tikkanut Re: The Colorado River? - 03/03/24
My last peek at the Colorado

Last week

Flowing freely to all the greedy water users south of Utah
Posted By: HawkI Re: The Colorado River? - 03/03/24
Big Muddy
Posted By: hardway Re: The Colorado River? - 03/03/24
Originally Posted by slumlord
This was my Dispersed camping campsite BLM at 8200 ft above Flaming Gorge in July.

Thought I was short of breath from the elevation but it was undiagnosed radiation pneumonitis from cancer trtnents. Silly me.

That’s the chit that almost killed Walter White while he was cookin in the desert with Jessie 👍🏻
Posted By: Sycamore Re: The Colorado River? - 03/03/24
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Sweet! Grand Canyon West. Hualapai Land.
Posted By: hardway Re: The Colorado River? - 03/03/24
Originally Posted by AZmark
California who had less runnoff into CO river get most the water all through politics that started many many years ago.

Probably splitting hairs but it should be said this is Souther CA/ Los Angeles doing it…. The did it to the Owen’s river, they do it Norther Ca and anyone else….. we even had some dumb azz democrats propose a pipeline to the Mississippi River 🥴

ANYTHING except build more storage in our own state.
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