Meanwhile, on the Border,.....

Posted by: crossfireoops

Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:22 PM

Outgunned Agent Held at Gunpoint by Mexican Military
The item below was found at the USBP's Local 2544 Web site

August 3, 2008

A Tucson Sector Border Patrol agent was held at gunpoint by the Mexican military last night south of Ajo. While we're certain that some managers within the DHS and the President of Mexico will find a way to blame the Border Patrol agent, we would like to point out that the agent was in the United States, doing his job. Mexican military personnel crossed over the border and pointed rifles at him. Backup units arrived from the Ajo Border Patrol station, and the Mexican military personnel eventually returned to Mexico. Once again, they come into our country, point rifles at our agents, and are allowed to return to Mexico as if nothing happened. One can only imagine the outrage if American soldiers or Border Patrol agents entered Mexico and pointed rifles at someone. Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years. They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of "Oh well, they didn't know they were in the United States." A few years ago the Mexican military went a step further and put a .50 calibre rifle round through the rear window of a Border Patrol agent's patrol vehicle south of Ajo. Nothing was ever done. Nobody was ever held accountable. Even worse, nothing has changed. Particularly galling is the fact that the Mexican military often pulls these stunts in Humvees donated to them by the American taxpayers (although they were apparently on foot this time). We note that Border Patrol agents have historically driven worn-out, junk vehicles.

We will withhold further comment on this incident until we see how our leaders handle it. We don't have much confidence in most of them. They usually just sell us out, make excuses for the Mexican military, and invite more of the same.

It is fortunate that this incident didn't end in a very ugly gunfight.

MOre to come,......

GTC
Posted by: Bristoe

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:27 PM

Better watch out talking about stuff like that,.McCain and his man Lindsey Graham will get upset.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2duZZ1yGw
Posted by: ltppowell

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:29 PM

Most Americans don't care. The southern border of our country is just as far away as Iraq as far as they're concerned.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: ltppowell
Most Americans don't care. The southern border of our country is just as far away as Iraq as far as they're concerned.


And they won't open their eyes, I suppose, to see what is going on in their own communities.
When 9/11 happened I asked a friend of mine who was from New York if the people in New York would even care about it if it had happened in Kansas City or Dallas. He thought a minute then said, "Probably not". He was probably right.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:36 PM

From Dana Rorbacher,............

What Happened To Justice In America?
08/04/2008

What happened to justice in America? It certainly wasn’t served on July 28 when the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the unjust convictions of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. As it stands today, these two brave border protectors must now serve out their full 10-plus-year sentences for shooting and wounding a Mexican drug smuggler they encountered while he was carrying a million-dollar payload of narcotics along the Southern border in Texas. What started off as simple procedural mistakes by the agents has turned into an unimaginable travesty of justice unlike anything I’ve ever seen in my 30 years in Washington, D.C.

It’s difficult to reconcile why U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton would choose to seek out drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, in Mexico to offer him immunity, unconditional border-crossing cards and free medical care in exchange for his testimony against the border agents. Ramos and Compean did not wake up the morning of Feb.17, 2005, with the intention of committing a crime, unlike the illegal alien drug-smuggling “victim.” They put on their uniforms, strapped their weapons around their waists and pinned on their badges, as they had for five and 10 years respectively, with the intention of patrolling our borders to protect America.

It’s no secret our Southern border is a virtual war zone where our border patrol agents and local law enforcement officers are often outgunned and outmanned by the violent drug cartels. So when Agents Ramos and Compean testified they thought Davila pointed a weapon at them, wouldn’t that seem reasonable to assume given the dangerous conditions they face everyday along the border? Not according to U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, who decided to give the benefit of the doubt to a drug smuggler transporting a million dollars worth of drugs who said he was unarmed rather than siding with our law enforcement officers.


Sutton’s decision to throw the book at the agents by charging them with a federal civil rights violation under the color of the law and under the 924(c) statute (unlawful discharge of a firearm during a crime of violence, which carries a ten-year mandatory minimum sentence) is not only despicable, but a dangerous precedent to set for every law enforcement officer in America. There has never been another instance where this statue, originally intended as a sentence-enhancement for drug traffickers and criminals, has been used against law enforcement officers acting within their scope of official duties. Every policeman has now been put on notice: Discharge your weapon in a split-second, deadly force situation and you, too, could face 10 years in prison if an overzealous prosecutor decides your decision was the wrong one.

Despite their disapproving posture during the Dec 3, 2007, hearing where (in which my Communications Director, Tara Setmayer, witnessed the appellate judges say first hand, “it does seem the government overreacted” in this prosecution), the judges, after almost eight months of deliberation, issued a 46 page ruling in complete contrast to what happened in court. The judges questioned why the prosecutors “stacked” the charges and got the government’s attorney to admit their drug-smuggling star witness “told some lies.”. What could have possibly happened between the hearing and now?

The appellate court claims that “the jury was the fact-finder”; “the jury heard all of the evidence…the case was conducted fairly and without reversible error.” But was it really? The jury was never told Davila was more than a one-time offender; smuggled drugs while under immunity, was in possession of a border-crossing card our government gave him, four months before testifying against Ramos and Compean and that he potentially violated his immunity agreement by not giving up any information about the cartel he was working for. Sutton’s office was well aware of these facts. It successfully petitioned the trial judge to seal that information from the jury and, to the chagrin of most reasonable people, the appellate court ruled that the protection of the Davila’s 5th Amendment rights outweighed the relevancy of his additional smuggling activities.

Unless President Bush shows Ramos and Compean the same Christian charity he used to commute the sentence of his friend Scooter Libby, two wives are without their husbands, and six children will be without their fathers for the next decade. If the President does not do the right thing by Ramos and Compean, their prosecution will be one of the worst black marks on this administration. I will continue to fight for these brave men because of their willingness to die to protect all of us. For every day they continue to spend behind bars, every American should be demanding answers to what happened to real justice in America?



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Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher represents California?s 46th District

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Posted by: T LEE

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:39 PM

Put state of the art weapons on the border with the military personnel to use them, AND ALLOW THEM TO DO SO! We can kick the Mexicans ass again if we have to.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:49 PM

This is just an absolute heartbreaker,...........

And T.,......we DO have to,...pretty quick like.

Link: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-deputy4-2008aug04,0,655304.story

Sheriff's deputy who was shot dead guarded highly dangerous inmates


Authorities are investigating whether his job at the L.A. County jail, which put him in touch with Mexican Mafia gang members, is connected to his death. They are also considering two other motives.
By Stuart Pfeifer and Tami Abdollah, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
August 4, 2008
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A Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy gunned down Saturday outside his boyhood home in Cypress Park had been assigned to guard the most dangerous inmates in the county, including members of the notorious Mexican Mafia gang, authorities said Sunday.

Los Angeles police and sheriff's officials said the prospect that Deputy Juan Abel Escalante was killed because of his work at the jail remained one of three possible motives. Investigators were also considering the possibility that neighborhood gang violence or a personal grudge were behind the killing.



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"As of right now, all of those possibilities are on the table," said Los Angeles Police Department Deputy Chief Sergio Diaz.

Escalante, 27, was shot to death outside his parents' home about 5:40 a.m. Saturday as he left for work at the downtown Men's Central Jail. He was assigned to the "high power" unit, where dangerous inmates -- many of them violent gang members -- are housed in single-man cells, Diaz and Sheriff Lee Baca said.

Detectives from LAPD's robbery-homicide division were investigating the killing with the assistance of detectives from the sheriff's homicide division and the jail's gang unit. Baca said Escalante's assignment put him in touch with members of the Mexican Mafia, a gang known to direct street crime and violence from behind prison walls.

"Until we can verify anything, it has to be looked at. In a homicide of this kind, with a person who's from a neighborhood that's had some difficulty with gangs, you can't rule anything out, particularly that," Baca said.

Witnesses said they saw a white, four-door car approach Escalante shortly before gunfire erupted. The deputy, his wife and their three children were living with his parents while preparing to purchase a home in Pomona.

At Men's Central Jail on Sunday, deputies wore black bands across their badges and dress uniforms with black ties in remembrance of their fallen colleague.

"They're not taking it well," said Sheriff's Sgt. Ron Bottomley, who supervised Escalante for the last year. "It's a very sober situation. We're a family. He had two families. He was a great family man, and he had a family here. Just like his family is grieving him, so are we."

A small memorial for Escalante was set up near his parents' home at the corner of Thorpe and Aragon avenues.

Bouquets of flowers surrounded about a dozen candles that were arranged in the shape of a cross. White roses and blue carnations were left with a simple note: "In memory of Deputy Escalante."

Cypress Park, a blue-collar neighborhood northeast of downtown, has had a history of gang warfare. Earlier this year, a shooting outside an elementary school near Escalante's home touched off a fierce gun battle between gang members and police in nearby Glassell Park.

Escalante had been considered a local success story because he grew up in a neighborhood plagued by gang violence and was pursuing a career in law enforcement.

"He was this close to moving out of that neighborhood," said Bottomley, moving his thumb and index finger millimeters apart, "and getting into, for him, his dream home. It would be his first home. We're talking weeks away. He was so happy everything was going well. . . . Now are they going to have that dream home? In a matter of seconds, everything was taken away from him."

Many of the 800 employees at Men's Central Jail have been touched by Escalante's death.

"He was the cream of the crop, and that's what really hurts," Bottomley said, his eyes red and tearing up. "You've got three kids that are going to have to grow up without a dad.

"He was close to everybody. He was one of those outstanding guys that there wasn't a person in the jail that [could] say anything bad about him. He was a good, fair man, an outstanding deputy. He was fair with the inmates but firm. If I gave him orders to do something, he was saying, 'Yes, sir' before I could finish it."

Escalante, an Army reservist, was a 2 1/2 -year department veteran. Most deputies for their first assignments work in county jails for several years before they are transferred to patrol duties.

"We always try to be prepared for everything, but one thing we cannot be prepared for is when you lose somebody," Bottomley said. "And through all of it, you have to stay professional and do your job. But you know, we're all human. In some aspects we have to be more than human. . . . You still have to come in the next day and do your job, and a part of you has been torn away."

One sheriff's deputy, who asked not to be identified because he had not been given authorization to speak to the media, said guards at Los Angeles County jails often confront fear that inmates may try to harm them outside jail walls.

"You never talk about your family, where you live, your hobbies," the deputy said. "Most guys don't wear wedding rings. You don't want to give the bad guys ammo to be able to say, 'I know the name of your wife, your children.' "

It wouldn't be difficult for gang members or former inmates to follow deputies home from Men's Central Jail, the deputy said.

"They know where you work. They could just post up on the driveway and wait for you to leave," he said.

stuart.pfeifer@latimes.com

tami.abdollah@latimes.com

Times staff writers Ari Bloomekatz and Andrew Blankstein contributed to this report.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 04:51 PM

" members of the Mexican Mafia, a gang known to direct street crime and violence from behind prison walls."

.....at risk of belaboring the obvious,.....THIS is quite simply unacceptable,.........yet another example of the general malaise out in Kal.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 05:03 PM

Bad situation for USBP, i am glad the agent wasn't harmed.

I've got a friend of mine, who i was in the Army with, who went to work for El Paso, TX PD and then later went to work for the USBP at El Paso.

Sorry to hear about the LASO Deputy, these Mexican Mafia, folks are the real deal and not to be taken lightly. They'll put the hit on your azz from inside the jail, and communicate it outside and it's a done deal.
Posted by: prairie dog shooter

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 06:44 PM

 Quote:
this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years.


The Mexican military is assisting the drug smuglers. It's really that simple.
Posted by: SAcharlie

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 07:29 PM

Don't ya think there are people in high places on this side of the boarder assisting those drug smuglers? I would believe that to be the case with the money involved.
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 07:37 PM

Start treating border incursion as what they are.......ACTS OF WAR! Start shooting a few Mexican Troops and maybe they will get the point. Every Coyote or Boder Runner for Drug Dealers should be Strung up and hung from that new fence, by their necks. Les
Posted by: Mac84

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 08:38 PM

could not agree more. I might also suggest a catapult for illegals that sneak back a second time.
Posted by: alpinecrick

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 08:56 PM

 Originally Posted By: ltppowell
Most Americans don't care. The southern border of our country is just as far away as Iraq as far as they're concerned.


So true.....

If we could just get the "foreign policy" guys to come home.....



Casey
Posted by: Colorado1135

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/04/08 09:02 PM

what happened to America? we used to have a backbone and we stuck to our guns when anyone messed with us.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/05/08 07:03 AM

This photo's taken not all that far from my lurk,......

Note Mr Chertof's inpenetrable "Barrier",......

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/ABP/PHOTO-OF-THE-DAY/2008/ARCHIVE/080804.html

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/05/08 07:15 AM

I'm trying to figure out the juxtaposition of " Unanimously passed ",.....and the material in the link following. It would seem that the " Will of their people, per their elected representantives " belongs in quotes,......and is of little moment

Link: http://www.ctl.ca/issues/ISArticle.asp?id=87804&issue=08012008

So the material above, versus the following, I can't really make heads or tails outta' this,........but CAN tell you that "Hidden Compartments" abound,.......and are being discovered / busted almost daily,.........the vehicle safety issue is of course a different subject.

Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0437826120080804

GTC
Posted by: shootem

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/05/08 09:57 AM

 Quote:
It is fortunate that this incident didn't end in a very ugly gunfight.


I don't know about that crossfire. Seems to me an ugly gunfight is just what should have happened. Our military can be UGLY when asked.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 10:55 AM

Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5924476.html

Sorry if someone else has genned up a thread re; this long overdue event,.....but it IS within the parameters of this thread, sure certain,........

This rectal orfice was not to fat to execute,......

God Bless Texas, and Semper Coonass!

GTC

Medellin executed for rape, murder of Houston teens
By ALLAN TURNER and ROSANNA RUIZ Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
Aug. 6, 2008, 12:36AM
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Texas Department of Criminal Justice
Jose Medellin's case created international controversy when the United Nations' world court determined Texas had violated the killer's rights under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

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Print Email Del.icio.usDiggTechnoratiYahoo! BuzzHUNTSVILLE — The state of Texas defied an international court and executed Jose Ernesto Medellin late Tuesday after the U.S. Supreme Court denied a stay of execution for the killer in the 1993 Houston gang rape-murders of two teenage girls.

Medellin, 33, was pronounced dead by lethal injection at 9:57 p.m., nine minutes after receiving the fatal cocktail and nearly four hours after his scheduled 6 p.m. execution.

In his final statement, Medellin apologized for his crime: "I'm sorry that my actions brought you pain. I hope this brings the closure to what you seek," he said. "Don't ever hate them for what they do. Never harbor hate."

He then looked toward the witness room in which his friend, Sandra Crisp, was watching, crying softly, and smiled. "I love you," he said.

In the adjoining witness room, relatives of the two victims watched with little apparent emotion.

Medellin, a Mexican national who spent most of his life in the United States, was condemned for the June 1993 murders of Jennifer Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Peña, 16.

The girls were raped and strangled with a belt and shoelace after they stumbled into a drunken gang initiation rite while cutting through the park to get home before their curfew.

Four days after the crime, a tip from a gang member's brother led authorities to the bodies, then to the suspects.

Within three hours of his arrest, Medellin admitted his role in the gruesome murders, appalling authorities with his boastful, callous description of the night's events.

At issue in Medellin's last-minute appeal was his assertion that authorities refused his right to contact the Mexican Consulate after his arrest. By doing so, his attorneys argued, officials violated a 1963 treaty signed by the U.S. and 165 other countries that should have granted him access. His case stirred international controversy when the United Nations' high court found his rights had been violated. The court ordered the execution be stayed.

While some cheered Texas' decision to execute him on Tuesday, others warned that his death could render the treaty void, putting the lives of American citizens arrested overseas in jeopardy.

The fathers of the victims, however, expressed relief.

"It's a long time coming," Adolfo Peña said, "Fifteen years is a long time. I wish those two girls could've lived that long."

Randy Ertman stood with his arm around Christina Alamaraz, a close friend. He said recent media attention had been too focused on Medellin and not their daughters.

Sandra Babcock, a law professor at Northwestern University in Chicago and an attorney for Medellin, said the case was not just about one Mexican national on death row.

"It's also about ordinary Americans who count on the protections of the consulate when they travel abroad in strange lands," she said. "It's about the reputation of the U.S. as a nation that adheres to the rule of law."

Hours before the execution, death penalty supporters and opponents gathered at Huntsville's Walls Unit, site of the state execution chamber.

Elaine Jackson of Houston, who identified herself as a friend of the Peñas, was among those supporting the execution.

"The girls didn't get a second chance, why should he?" Jackson demanded. "Why should he keep on breathing?"

On the other side of the street, Nancy Bailey was among those opposing the execution. Putting Medellin to death, she said, would flout the nation's treaty commitments and endanger Americans arrested abroad.

Medellin, who granted few interviews on death row, told a Mexican news reporter that he'd had 15 years in prison to compose his emotions. On Monday and Tuesday he visited with his parents, whom he had not seen since 2001, and spoke by phone with his younger brother, who is serving 40 years for his part in the crime.

Jose Medellin had insisted he told police he was a Mexican citizen; Gov. Rick Perry's office said he did not. In 2004, the world court, acting on a Mexican lawsuit against the U.S., ordered hearings to determine if the cases of Medellin and dozens of other Mexican nationals in custody had been damaged by the treaty violations.

President Bush urged the hearings be held. Texas, however, appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which held that only Congress had authority to demand such hearings.

Weeks after the decision, a bill retroactively calling for the hearings was introduced in Congress. The bill, however, remains in legislative limbo.

"Outside of Texas this is a huge diplomatic misstep," said Columbia Law School professor Sarah Cleveland. "Unfortunately, I doubt the international community is likely to brush this off as simply the actions of Texas. In the international community ... the United States is responsible for Texas' actions."

Judge Cathy Cochran, of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, took a different view.

"Some societies may judge our death penalty barbaric," she noted. "Most Texans, however, consider death a just penalty in certain rare circumstances. Many Europeans disagree. So be it."

Medellin was the second person executed for the attack.

Derrick O'Brien was put to death in July 2006. Gang leader Peter Cantu remains on death row. Two others, 17 at the time of the crime, had their death sentences commuted to life in prison.

allan.turner@chron.com

rosanna.ruiz@chron.com
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 11:16 AM


1 hour 26 minutes ago
U.S. Customs and Border Patrol Agent Murdered
A manhunt is on for a gunman who shot and killed a customs agent in broad daylight in a parking lot this morning.

The unidentified agent, a member of the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Task Force, was taken to Memorial Regional Hospital in Hollywood, Florida in critical condition after the shooting, which occurred about 8:55 a.m., police spokesman Sgt. Bryan Davis said.

His death was announced around noon.

It is not known if the shooting outside the postal service's South Florida Processing and Distribution Center at Pines Boulevard and Dykes Road had anything to do with the agent's job, or if it was a random act of violence.

Davis said police are actively looking for the gunman, who is described as between 45 to 55 years old, with a full head of gray hair. He was wearing a short-sleeve, green plaid shirt and last seen driving eastbound on Pines Boulevard in a 2005 gray-green Chrysler 300 four-door sedan.

About 200 federal, state and local law enforcement agents are participating in a dragnet for the gunman, Davis said.

Officers canvassed businesses in the area, looking for any surveillance video tape that might show the shooting or the suspect.

A statewide alert has also been issued.

About a hundred officers assembled at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection office near the post office, many of them in bullet-resistant vests. A Blackhawk helicopter from the federal Department of Homeland Security made several stops there to pick up officers.

"We're just going to saturate the area," Davis said. "We'll just start turning over every rock."

Davis said officers responding to the shooting found the agent laying next to his black Chrysler 300 sedan.

The agent was shot once, but Davis would not say where.

The victim worked in internal affairs with Customs and Border Protection, said agency spokesman Jose Castellano. He had no further details.

The High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas program coordinates local, state and federal law enforcement agencies to combat drug-related crime in targeted regions.

South Florida, including Broward, Miami-Dade, Monroe and Palm Beach counties, was designated for the program in 1990 because of the area's high level of drug trafficking.

The lobby of the postal service center, where people can drop off mail, was closed. However, Davis said the sorting area was open.

The center is one of three mail distribution centers in South Florida. The others are in Fort Lauderdale and Miami.

Anyone with information on the shooting is asked to call Broward Crime Stoppers at at 954-493-TIPS, Pembroke Pines police, 954-431-2200, or go online to: http://www.browardcrimestoppers.org.
Posted by: djs

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 11:30 AM

The Washington Times has an article on this. see:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/06/soldiers-cross-into-us-hold-guns-to-agent/

I think we need to use either larger forces of heavily armed Border Patrol officers or a simmilarly armed military force to follow the officers as they patrol. If anyone detains or threatens the officers, they should be permitted to surrender before the security force opens up.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 02:10 PM

Didn't DoD try military on the border within the last few years? I knew of a couple of NG units that were deployed, and i think some active duty units also. I don't know what happened to them, it either ran out of funding or they were needed in SWA.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 08:18 PM

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug06/0,4670,BorderAgents,00.html

Border agents unevenly spread on boundary
Wednesday, August 06, 2008

By MICHELLE ROBERTS, Associated Press Writer

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SAN ANTONIO — Despite efforts to add Border Patrol agents to areas where immigrant traffic is high and drug violence is flaring, officers assigned to the 2,000-mile boundary with Mexico are bunched up near the California coast. And some critics see politics at play.

An Associated Press analysis of Border Patrol staffing shows that the San Diego sector, with the shortest section of border and fences covering half the boundary, has four times the number of agents per mile that West Texas does and three times as many as most of Arizona.

That is the case even though the Tucson sector in Arizona has been the busiest spot for illegal crossings for years and El Paso sits next to a Mexican city that has seen a surge in drug-cartel violence so severe that Mexicans are pleading for asylum in the U.S.

"I think it makes us less safe," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said of the way agents are posted along the border.

Border Patrol officials defend the staffing levels, saying San Diego's transportation routes and year-round balmy weather make it an attractive spot for smugglers.

Others suggest, however, that members of Congress who most embrace the agency's push are rewarded with more agents _ a notion a Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman rejected Wednesday.

Borderwide, staffing has increased dramatically in the past five years as political pressure to prevent illegal immigration has mounted. On the southern border, there are roughly 15,000 agents, up from 9,500 in 2004.

And while the most dramatic growth has occurred near the Arizona-California line and around El Paso, San Diego's short section of border has, by far, the most agents per mile at 37. That compares with 11 for most of Arizona and nine for the Rio Grande Valley and West Texas, based on head counts given to the AP in July.

The 60-mile San Diego sector is at the southern end of a county with roughly 3 million people. It has two major northbound highways and easy access to food, water and communication _ all of which make it inviting to smugglers and illegal immigrants.

But the sector is already heavily reinforced: Two-thirds of the border is blocked by fences or vehicle barriers. The most populous part of the boundary has nearly 10 miles of double-layer fences with stadium lights.

The border in Arizona and Texas is more wide open and more rural in many places, which can make it harder to guard. It also includes major interstates and sizable population centers where recent arrivals can easily blend in. The Rio Grande forms the border in Texas, but in many places it is possible to swim, wade or float across it.

Arizona has long been the busiest and deadliest section of the border, recording hundreds of deaths in recent years among immigrants who fell victim to the rocky terrain and the fierce desert heat and cold.

Nearly half the apprehensions of illegal immigrants along the Mexican border are made in the Tucson sector, but those numbers are a poor indicator of effectiveness because research indicates that people trying to sneak across get caught less than half the time, said Wayne Cornelius, a professor at the University of California at San Diego.

Border communities in Texas have seen a frightening rise in drug violence spilling across the border, with assassinations and kidnappings in the United States.

Laura Keehner, a spokeswoman for Homeland Security, which oversees the Border Patrol, said agents and other assets are allocated based on the needs of the individual sectors.

"The idea that we politicize where we put our Border Patrol and assets is flat wrong," she said. "The Border Patrol tells us what combination works best where. They're in the field every day."

Mark Endicott, a spokesman for Border Patrol in San Diego, said the sprawling city's close proximity to the border, favorable climate and many transportation options make the area unique. He declined to discuss whether San Diego's needs outweigh those of other sectors but said, "As far as the activity going on here in San Diego, the agents are needed."

Observers say, however, politics plays a role in how agents are allocated.

"In many cases, they're very political," said T.J. Bonner, president of the agents union. "Congress giveth and taketh away, so you can't just thumb your nose at Congress and say, `We're going to make these decisions based only on our enforcement needs.'"

San Diego is represented by Rep. Duncan Hunter, a Republican who has been among the most outspoken proponents of increased border security and fences. But a spokesman said the congressman has not pushed for more agents for San Diego.

"It's nothing we've done personally in this office," said Hunter spokesman Joe Kasper.

Texas leaders, under pressure from border communities with close ties to Mexico, have pushed Customs and Border Protection to collaborate more with communities affected by the fence planned along the border and to make sure systems for those entering legally run smoothly _ the kind of cajoling that has sometimes put them at odds with the agency.

Cornyn said he has asked the agency how it assigns agents.

"They say they have a formula, but I'm not convinced or persuaded that this is altogether a rational distribution of resources. There's a certain amount of whoever screams and yells gets taken care of first," the senator said.

Cornelius, the university researcher, said politics probably do play a part in staffing. The entire GOP congressional delegation from San Diego "would have screamed bloody murder if the Border Patrol had reduced San Diego sector staffing levels appreciably," he said.

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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 08:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
Didn't DoD try military on the border within the last few years? I knew of a couple of NG units that were deployed, and i think some active duty units also. I don't know what happened to them, it either ran out of funding or they were needed in SWA.


Looks like you're not to awfully up to speed on the "Medal Of Retreat",......

A Marine Nat. Guard unit overrun by punks with AKS,.....DOPERS,.....

they decorated the whole unit for something or another,......after they RETREATED,......under fire

last year,.....

sad stuff.

NO, repeat no bad call out on the USMC,......this was just some stupid no win political horseshit,.....and it IS verifiable.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 08:49 PM

Link: http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20080806/NEWS/407158336/-1/FEATURES%26parentprofile=-1

Man accused of rape is in country illegally


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A man accused of raping a 12-year-old girl in Greeley last month is in the country illegally, according to Weld County sheriff's records, but because he was a juvenile in previous encounters with the law, he wasn't investigated by immigration officials.



Raul Jesus Mendoza is now 19, but he was prosecuted before for sexual assault on a child and designated as a sexual offender as a juvenile.



Mendoza was arrested July 27 after a 12-year-old west Greeley girl told her parents he raped her in an apartment of a mutual friend. The girl didn't report the rape for two days, then told her parents, who called the Greeley police.



Police said Mendoza had been arrested twice before:



« When he was 15, Mendoza was arrested on a charge of improperly touching a young girl, but the charges were dismissed;



« A year later, Mendoza was convicted of sexual assault on another girl, sentenced to two years in juvenile prison and was released after a year.



Immigration officials' policies state that juveniles are not investigated as illegal immigrants unless they're charged as adults. In Mendoza's previous arrests, his background was not checked because he was a juvenile.



But in the present case, Mendoza is an adult, and he has been charged with sexual assault on a child and unlawful sexual contact. His bond has been set at $200,000.



Carl Rusnok, spokesman for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office, is stationed in Washington, D.C. and said he doesn't know of the Mendoza case. However, he said if Mendoza is convicted of the charges, he will serve his sentence in Colorado, then he would be deported after he's released from prison.



The charges against Mendoza would bring a sentence of two years to life in prison.



Rick Dill, the Offender Supervision Bureau chief for the Weld County Sheriff's Office, said research into Mendoza's background shows he was brought into the United States illegally as a child with his family, and despite living here several years, he never acquired the proper documents to live in the country legally.



Also, with his previous history, he is a registered sex offender, but couldn't be listed on the county's or city's sex offender Web sites because he was a juvenile.



Mendoza's next court date will be his arraignment on Aug. 11.
Posted by: Enrique

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/06/08 09:36 PM

The border is a war zone thats for sure.
It seems at times like the new fences are working to some degree. It also seems like people still keep dying like its cool to do so. Apprehensions are down, more agents seem to be getting hired. People I talk to are detered to cross due to the increase in agents and funny to hear, even the presence of the military, that in all actuality have no arresting powers.

You want to understand the true US/Mexican Border? Read the book "The Reaper's Line" by Lee Morgan. You want an eye opener, you'll get that and more.

Here is my take on the whole thing.
Put up all the walls, fences, barriers you want, and they will still come.
Put an agent or military personnel on every foot of the border and they will still find a way to come.
Do both and they will still come over and some will still make it.
You can suppress the issue, but not fully eliminate it. Thats just the way it is.
Until both sides of the border work together to better the situation, you will not fix it. Plus we must also remember that not all illegals are from one place, they just cross in the same place.

You think we should ship them all back? That will make things worse. Whether people believe it or not. We need illegals just as much as we don't. Face it, wages won't change. Therefore, you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do. Not saying anything derogatory here, but many people would rather go on wellfare than take an outside job or start at the bottom. We need immigrants, preferably legal, but we all no breaking the law is funner, so I guess the illegals will do. It is wrong and unfair, but we need someone to do the jobs.

The border issue will continue and no matter what. Obama or McCain in office, whoever it is, is gonna give the people already here amnesty. It stinks and is very unfair, but watch and see, it will happen. You think we have open borders now, watch what happens if Obama gets in and needs those votes in 4 years. Open borders will get worse.

The desert is littered with trash, rapes take place in the desert, people die, people get mugged, we spend a ton of money each year to prevent this, and yet it continues. There is no accountability, but the small steps taken have produced small results. Its a dent, but we need a hole and we need better.

For my own well-being, I am now wearing my bullet proof vest to work. Better be safe than sorry. But things down south are getting freaky, even if crossings have decreased. But thats the game.

People that have never been down to the border region and base what you write off Lou Dobbs and the news. I hate to dissapoint, but all their facts are not right. Get a first hand look at war zone. You'll think differently.
I see and hear what people go thru on a daily basis. I wonder, how bad must it be where they are from to risk everything for the chance to be poor here, but better off than where they came from?

Kique
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 07:13 AM

Enrique's right about Lee Morgan II 's book "Reaper's Line, Life and death on the Mexican Border".

Here's a brief review from Pub's Weekly :

From Publishers Weekly
The U.S.-Mexican border is one of the most violent places on earth, writes retired drug enforcement agent Morgan. He makes his case over 500 pages of gunplay, fisticuffs and bloodshed interspersed with profanity-laced denunciations of rival agencies and clueless Washington officials who believe they understand illegal immigration and drug smuggling. Having enjoyed serving inVietnam, Morgan sought similar adventure in the Border Patrol and the Custom Service's drug enforcement service. Working mostly in Arizona, he found corrupt officials and Border Patrolmen cooperating with corrupt Mexican officials, police and soldiers to transport drugs and people into the U.S. Still, he and fellow officers intercepted countless shipments, which the author recounts in excessive but lively rounds of shootouts, car chases and murder. Reforms that created the Department of Homeland Security and shifted antidrug enforcement to the Border Patrol are disastrous, he asserts, because the patrol is hopelessly corrupt. Sneering at the current immigration debate, he insists no barrier or law can keep out Mexicans in search of work and that the money would be better spent on making Mexico prosperous enough to provide jobs for its people. Despite the incessant fireworks and macho prose style, the book provides a thoughtful view of these issues. (Sept.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

Product Description
A true story of violence, drugs, human smuggling and dirty politicians along the Mexican/American border.

When he was 14, Lee Morgan learned to shoot a rifle from a young Marine who later became the "Texas Tower Sniper." Four years later, Lee was conducting CIA assassination missions in Vietnam. Then he spent the next 31 years on the U.S.-Mexico border as a federal agent, where the struggle against smugglers of drugs and starving human beings is as harrowing as anything Lee encountered in Vietnam.

The Reaper's Line is a non-fiction account of unparalleled official corruption, mass murders, gunfights, treason, betrayal, and government wrongdoing.

****************


If you want the straight skinny, and a look at the Border from Seasoned Veteran's perspective,.....READ THIS BOOK.
( I said that)

GTC
Posted by: DesertSandman

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 08:23 AM

older political cartoon still relevant.

Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 08:35 AM

Radio show focuses on immigration
By Jonathon Shacat
Herald/Review

Published on Friday, July 25, 2008

HEREFORD — The founder of a new talk radio show recorded in Cochise County that focuses on border and illegal immigration issues says the program is already popular among listeners and he is hopeful it will only get better.

“On the Border with Al Garza,” which first aired July 14, is hosted by Garza, who is perhaps best known for his role as national executive director of the border watch group Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.



Chuck Alton decided to start Cochise Talk due to the lack of local originated radio in Sierra Vista and Cochise County. Garza consented to be the program’s host. The show appeals to conservatives, Christians and patriotic people, Alton said.

Four times per week new programming is produced. It is recorded in segments and then edited. Then a one-hour show is aired continuously in a loop on the Web site http://www.cochisetalk.com until the next program is produced.

“Our country has been transformed into an oasis for illegal aliens and their uneducated Third World mentality. We have been sold out by the various people we elected to represent our nation’s best interests,” Garza said during Thursday’s episode.



Listeners are encouraged to leave comments by either calling a telephone hotline or sending an e-mail. Garza reads some of the e-mails on the air.

Some of the recorded voicemail messages also are played during the show.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 09:01 AM

This is just bloody heartwarming,........maybe I should say Blood Boiling......?!

Link: http://www.maconnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3109&Itemid=34

Deputies respond to fight, discover kidnap attempt
Thursday, 07 August 2008
By D. Linsey Wisdom
News Editor


Olivar Angelo RobleroMacon County Sheriff’s deputies arrested a 36-year-old man after he allegedly attempted to kidnap a 9-year-old girl early Monday morning.

Olivar Angelo Roblero of 397 Iotla Valley Park Road was charged with two felonious counts — attempted kidnapping and attempted abduction — and one misdemeanor assault on a child under 12. The arrest came after deputies initially responded to a 9-1-1 call at 2:32 a.m. reporting an altercation between five men involving two-by-fours.

“I need an officer out here ... now, please. I have Mexicans trying to get my nine-year-old little girl in the bed with them and I’ve got my15-year-old brother that is basically going ballistic on them,” said the caller. “I’ve got five of them trying to jump on my brother.”

The caller reported the Hispanic men were using “busted up two-by-fours” to attack her brother.

Deputies Lynn Dulakis and Stephanie Pellicer responded to the call.

“Upon arrival, [the mother] informed deputies that a neighbor of Hispanic heritage had attempted to drag her daughter ... to 397 Iotla Valley Park Road against her will,” wrote Deputy Lynn Dulakis on the arrest report.

Sheriff Robert Holland said the family had come home late that evening after attending a family function. “The girl had a new puppy that needed to go outside and so she took it out inside her fenced-in yard,” he said. While she was alone outside, a man grabbed her from behind and attempted to take her over the fence.

“Her 15-year-old uncle chased the man to his house and the fight broke out,” Holland said.

Officials found Roblero in the bedroom at the Iotla Valley Park Road address with a cut on his left cheek. He offered little information and an interpreter was not present, according to the arrest report.

Two witnesses, the mother and a female roommate, identified Roblero as the man who had attempted to abduct the child. The report indicated that the suspect had consumed drugs and/or alcohol, but Holland said he could not release any further information about that issue.

Roblero was arrested and is being held on a $20,000 secured bond.

“The man is not a U.S. citizen and has admitted he is not a citizen,” Holland said. “ICE (Immigrations and Customs Enforcement) has been already been contacted.”

Holland said it is standard practice that when an illegal citizen is arrested, they are processed through the system and, if found guilty, are required to serve any detention prior to deportment.

The young girl was uninjured in the alleged kidnap attempt, said Holland.

No charges were brought against the uncle and Holland said he did not foresee any additional charges being filed.

Roblero is to appear in court on Wednesday, Aug. 13.
Posted by: bcp

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 10:56 AM

9 killed, 9 injured in SR 79 rollover, highway closed



NEAR FLORENCE -- Nine people were killed and nine more were hurt in a single-vehicle rollover on the highway outside of Florence.

...

According to DPS, a 1998 GMC SUV carrying a total of 18 people rolled over on the right side of the road at about milepost 117, 15 miles south of Florence.

DPS said the SUV was traveling north on SR 79 at a high rate of speed when the driver lost control. The vehicle went off the road and into a wash. The SUV flipped, coming to rest on its roof.

Nine people were confirmed dead on the scene. The medical examiner is en route.

...

It's believed that the occupants of the SUV were undocumented immigrants. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are on the scene, working with DPS. It's not known at this point if any coyotes were among the dead.

While the SUV was apparently going quite fast, it was not being chased at the time of the wreck.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetop...32cdb2f.html?bn
Posted by: billhilly

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 11:17 AM

See? I told you guys in another thread last week that we should invade Mexico. who's with me?
Posted by: StubbleDuck

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 11:29 AM

 Originally Posted By: Bristoe
Better watch out talking about stuff like that,.McCain and his man Lindsey Graham will get upset.


Geez Bristoe, you actually posted something worthwhile.

In other words, I agree with you! ..... About Grahamnesty and Juan McCan't.
Posted by: StubbleDuck

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/07/08 11:37 AM

 Originally Posted By: shootem
 Quote:
It is fortunate that this incident didn't end in a very ugly gunfight.


I don't know about that crossfire. Seems to me an ugly gunfight is just what should have happened. Our military can be UGLY when asked.


Indeed what it should be!

However methinks this is just more of our "conditioning ...... "

IOW, "Welcome to the nanny state and YOU WILL like it!"
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 07:39 AM

Juarez,.....the battleground, ( A mite CLOSER than Bagdad )

Link: http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_10121004

Police commander slain in Juárez
By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 08/07/2008 12:00:00 AM MDT



Related: Past stories on Juárez violence
EL PASO -- A Chihuahua state police commander was gunned down at his Juárez home late Tuesday night as the body count continued to grow. More than 700 people have been killed in Juárez this year.

Vidal Barraza Ortiz, 42, was a commander in the State Investigation Agency of the state attorney general's office, police said. Investigators found 28 bullet casings at the scene.

Barraza Ortiz had worked several assignments, including on the task force on women's murders.

In separate cases, the body of an unidentified man in his 40s was found Tuesday night in a plastic barrel. The man had been shot multiple times, his feet and hands were bound, and he had gray tape and a wire around his neck.

Tuesday afternoon, an unidentified man, age 20 to 25, was fatally stabbed in colonia Francisco I. Madero.

Wednesday morning, another unidentified man was found shot to death in colonia Parajes de Oriente.

Daniel Borunda may be reached at dborunda@elpasotimes.com; 546-6102.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 07:44 AM

Another one bites the dust,.............

The "Tear in the Right Eye" was a nice touch, I thought....

Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5931094.html

Texas executes illegal immigrant from Honduras
By MICHAEL GRACZYK Associated Press
Aug. 7, 2008, 6:52PM


AP
Heliberto Chi was executed for the 2001 murder of his former boss at an Arlington clothing store.

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Print Email Del.icio.usDiggTechnoratiYahoo! BuzzHUNTSVILLE — An illegal immigrant from Honduras who claimed his treaty rights were violated when he was arrested for a robbery-murder near Dallas was executed Thursday evening.

"God forgive them, receive my spirit," Heliberto Chi said in English. In Spanish, he told a friend watching through a window that he loved him and appreciated his hard work. He appeared to be whispering a prayer in Spanish with a tear at the corner of his right eye as the lethal drugs began to take effect.

One of Chi's cousins, who was among the witnesses, sobbed uncontrollably. Two sons of his victims watched through another window and Chi glanced at them briefly but didn't appear to acknowledge them.

Chi was pronounced dead nine minutes later at 6:25 p.m. CDT.

Lawyers for Chi had claimed in appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court that he should have been told he could get legal assistance from the Honduran consulate when he was arrested in California and extradited to Texas to face charges for killing his former boss, Armand Paliotta, at a men's clothing store during a robbery 7 1/2 years ago. Chi had once worked for Paliotta as a tailor at the store in Arlington, between Dallas and Fort Worth.

The Supreme Court, ruling about 2 1/2 hours before his scheduled execution time, rejected his appeal without dissent.

The arguments in his case, focusing on rights of foreigners under international treaty, were similar to those used unsuccessfully Tuesday by lawyers for condemned Texas prisoner Jose Medellin. In that case, the Supreme Court, with four of the nine justices dissenting, rejected his appeal and the Mexican-born Medellin was executed for participating in the gruesome gang rape and murders of two teenage Houston girls 15 years ago.

Unlike Medellin, Chi was not among some 50 death row inmates around the country, all Mexican born, who the International Court of Justice said should have new hearings in U.S. courts to determine whether the 1963 Vienna Convention treaty was violated during their arrests. Mexico had sued in the court on behalf of its citizens condemned in the U.S.

President Bush asked states to review those cases and legislation to implement the process was introduced recently in Congress, but the Supreme Court ruled earlier this year neither the president nor the international court could force Texas to wait.

Chi's attorneys argued that unlike the Vienna Convention obligations with Mexico, the 1927 U.S. Bilateral Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Consular Rights with Honduras was specifically between the U.S. and Honduras and was self-executing, meaning it didn't require legislation to have effect. They said the treaty also conferred individual rights and incorporated international law into enforceable domestic law.

"There can be little doubt that this issue — the proper construction of treaty provisions — is sufficiently meritorious to warrant review," Chi's lawyers said in their Supreme Court request for a reprieve.

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, the state's highest criminal court, late Wednesday rejected a similar appeal.

Chi had visited the suburban Dallas store in 2001, then returned after closing and was let in by Paliotta after saying he'd left his wallet behind. Once inside, he pulled out a gun and demanded a money bag.

Paliotta was shot and killed. Another employee was wounded trying to run away and a third hid among clothing racks and called 911 for help. On a recording of the call played at his trial, Chi can be heard calling the hiding employee, in Spanish, to "Come to the front" of the store.

With police on the way, he fled a few minutes later, jumped into a waiting car and sped off.

He was arrested in Reseda, Calif., northwest of Los Angeles, about six weeks later. His 18-year-old pregnant girlfriend had turned him for assaulting her and told authorities he was wanted for murder in Texas. The couple had been on the run, crisscrossing the country.

Terry O'Rourke, a lawyer on Chi's legal team who teaches international law at Houston's University of St. Thomas, said Chi's guilt wasn't the issue.

"Chi is a murderer, Medellin is a murderer," O'Rourke said. "But we don't kill all murderers. We don't execute all murderers. We do it according to the law.

"When your state violates international law to kill somebody, it has very negative consequences."

Chi was set to die last September, but his execution was stopped because the Supreme Court was looking into whether lethal injection procedures were unconstitutionally cruel. When the justices earlier this year upheld the method as proper, his date was reset for Thursday.

The getaway driver at the murder scene, Hugo Sierra, who is the brother of Chi's girlfriend, is serving a life prison term.

Chi would say little about the crime in an interview with The Associated Press shortly before his then-scheduled execution last year.

"My situation is not about being innocent or guilty," he said. "My rights were violated."

"If it's the Lord's will" and he was executed, Chi said he had "great peace in my mind and soul."

Four other Texas prisoners are set to die this month, including two more next week. They're among at least 15 Texas inmates with execution dates in the coming months.
Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 08:56 AM

 Originally Posted By: bcp
9 killed, 9 injured in SR 79 rollover, highway closed

According to DPS, a 1998 GMC SUV carrying a total of 18 people rolled over on the right side of the road at about milepost 117, 15 miles south of Florence.

DPS said the SUV was traveling north on SR 79 at a high rate of speed when the driver lost control. The vehicle went off the road and into a wash. The SUV flipped, coming to rest on its roof.

Nine people were confirmed dead on the scene. The medical examiner is en route.

...

It's believed that the occupants of the SUV were undocumented immigrants. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are on the scene, working with DPS. It's not known at this point if any coyotes were among the dead.

While the SUV was apparently going quite fast, it was not being chased at the time of the wreck.






The total cost of the medical care for the still living people in that SUV could run into the millions.... not likely anyone from Mexico will be paying a dime of those costs either....
Posted by: JGRaider

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 10:45 AM

 Originally Posted By: Violator22
Start treating border incursion as what they are.......ACTS OF WAR! Start shooting a few Mexican Troops and maybe they will get the point. Every Coyote or Boder Runner for Drug Dealers should be Strung up and hung from that new fence, by their necks. Les


agree 100%. As long as we are governed by a punch of [bleep] it ain't gonna happen though.
Posted by: shootem

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 11:23 AM

There's not one damn job in America that an American won't do. But they won't do it for the low wages an illegal foreign trespasser will work for. All this "doing jobs Americans won't do" talk is pure BULLCHIT. The US needs absolutely no illegals in this country. Get them all the hell out NOW!! Yeah, I know, they're all good people contributing to the economy and trying to make a living. You know what? I'm a pretty decent guy contributing to the economy and trying to make a living too. Which laws do I get to break? Can I choose some? Will I be forgiven? Will the President and Congress try to tell law enforcement to just look the other way when I break them?

Our national sovereignty has been abandoned over this crap. We're willing to shed the blood of American soldiers to protect the borders of Iraq & Afganastan but not the borders of our own country and that's a battle that wouldn't take the better part of one morning.

Just drop the "we need illegals" crap. Move to Mexico and see how illegals are treated there. And stay.
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 11:52 AM

 Quote:
We need illegals just as much as we don't. Face it, wages won't change. Therefore, you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do. Not saying anything derogatory here, but many people would rather go on wellfare than take an outside job or start at the bottom. We need immigrants, preferably legal, but we all no breaking the law is funner, so I guess the illegals will do. It is wrong and unfair, but we need someone to do the jobs.



I'm not so sure I can agree with that. I flipped burgers when I was younger, I washed dishes in a seafood restaurant, my wife made beds and cleaned hotel rooms, so why would you think that 25 years later Americans not capable of doing this work?

Back in the early eighties I worked for four years in a meat packing plant, the problem "as I see it" is that today Mexicans are now doing that job for the same wages I was making 20 years ago. You are right, the wages will stay the same so long as the steady supply of those who will accept them is not cut off. We don't need illegals, employers who wish to pay low wages need them.

Now we can argue who prospers from that scenario, low prices for all, or higher profits for buisness, but the fact that these jobs have gravitated from jobs that paid decent wages to jobs"Americans wont do" cannot be written off to American laziness when Americans performed ALL of these jobs in the past.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 12:08 PM

[quote=Enrique] Face it, wages won't change. Therefore, you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do. Not saying anything derogatory here, but many people would rather go on wellfare than take an outside job or start at the bottom. We need immigrants, preferably legal, but we all no breaking the law is funner, so I guess the illegals will do. It is wrong and unfair, but we need someone to do the jobs.


I don't agree with you on this one. Take away welfare and I'd bet those jobs will be filled.
This is too much like John McCain's statement about the labor that Mexican, or other migrant, workers were doing in picking melons or whatever they were picking and he said that Americans wouldn't do it for even fifty dollars an hour. I don't know about you but I'll do whatever I have to do in the way of labor to provide for my family. Including stoop labor that I probably can't do. That atitude just seems to indicate a lack of respect for Americans.
Posted by: Ivan

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 12:17 PM

Those effers come here because some American is willing to look the other way and unlawfully pay them a slaves wage for their labor.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 02:30 PM

Won't respond to any comments,........right this minute

will say that it's NICE to see SOME comments, ....

And feel some HEAT,....here at the fire,....

I know that Oil's important,....but THIS ,......e.g.

The Border and it's lack of integrity should be THE election issue.

.........that can only be adressed by "The Will of The People"

Leaving it up to "Administrations"( of either stripe) hasn't exactly panned out,.....has it now ?

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 02:37 PM

On our latest ( yesterday's) medical bills,.....

Link: http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/93184.php

Likely illegal immigrants
Pima medical examiner working to ID 9 killed in rollover
HEIDI ROWLEY
Tucson Citizen
Three of the 10 injured in a single-SUV rollover that killed nine Thursday northwest of Tucson remain at University Medical Center.
Two of the men, whose ages were estimated in the 20s and 30s, are in critical condition, said spokeswoman Darci Slaten. Another, who underwent surgery on his leg, is in stable condition.
The Department of Public Safety reported that 19 people were inside the SUV when it rolled just before 8 a.m. Thursday on state Route 79, about 15 miles southeast of Florence. DPS has confirmed that nine people died in the crash. The 10 injured were taken to hospitals in Tucson and Phoenix.
According to a DPS statement Friday morning, investigators have not had a chance to question the person they think was driving the SUV.
All of those who died in the crash are believed to be illegal immigrants. However, their identities may not be officially released for several days, to first notify relatives of the deaths, the release said.
Guatemalan Consul General Oscar Padilla in Phoenix said at least five of the survivors are from El Salvador and three from Mexico, and at least one of those who died was from Guatemala.
Padilla and his counterparts from El Salvador and Mexico are helping Pima County Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Parks as he works to identify the victims of Thursday's crash.
Speed and driver inattention appear to have contributed to the collision, the release said, but the cause remains under investigation.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 02:41 PM

This is just stupid,.....nothing fancy,.....just stupid,....

like these "Administrations"

Link: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/17127563/detail.html

13 Suspected Illegals Walk Away From Cops
Local, State, And Federal Agents Turn Away

POSTED: 9:44 pm MDT August 7, 2008
UPDATED: 6:13 am MDT August 8, 2008


AURORA, Colo. -- Going 75 mph in a 55 mph zone seemed like a simple speeding ticket. Instead, the stop along Interstate 70 Wednesday morning would highlight an immigration system that is still full of holes.

A red Dodge minivan was pulled over going eastbound near Tower Road at 9:19 a.m.

According to the police report, the Aurora officer found a driver and 13 passengers in the van. Further investigation revealed that all 13 said they were picked up in Mexico two days prior by a man offering to get them work in Kansas.

Valente Cantoral-Herrera, 33, faces 13 counts of human smuggling and assault charges for allegedly injuring one of the Aurora officers who responded. Despite several phone calls to state and federal agencies though, all 13 suspected illegal immigrants, including several women and a 12-year-old boy, were set free.

"It's certainly our position we want to work with Immigration. But, as a local agency, we are not in the business of enforcing immigration law," said Aurora Police Detective Bob Friel.

In the arrest report, one policeman writes, "I then inquired about the CSP task force that was formed for this issue." Officer Javen Harper was told "they only act as a type of liaison between police and ICE."

The state patrol's Immigration Enforcement Unit was formed in July 2007. They did not respond to the scene. A spokesman, Sgt. John Hahn, said, " We can't respond to calls within city limits. This is a problem for all of us in law enforcement. If we responded to every call, it would require resources we don't have."

Citing operational constraints, agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement also refused to respond.

"ICE responds to the vast majority of calls from local jurisdictions.On rare occasions, we don't have the manpower to spare," said ICE regional spokesman Carl Rusnok in Dallas, Texas.

In April, Aurora's city council approved an expansion to its immigration detention center near I-70 and Peoria, nearly quadrupling it to hold 1500 people. None of the 13 suspected illegals was brought there. In the end, a police sergeant and commander told the officer on the scene to let the suspected illegal immigrants go.

They were last seen walking south, away from I-70.

"At that point, they disappear into society. We've lost track of them," said Friel.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 08:47 PM

"Sherrif Joe Arpaio",.....disturbing report,.....

Link: http://video.newsmax.com/?assetId=V2780545
Posted by: luv2safari

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 09:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: Enrique
Whether people believe it or not. We need illegals just as much as we don't. Face it, wages won't change. Therefore, you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do.

Kique


Absolute and pure elitist BS!!! Over MY life I did many of the "JOBS AMERICANS WON'T DO"!!!!! \:\/

I'm fed up with this hogwash and won't give you one d@mned inch on the issue. You're just another rationalizing wimp with what seems to be an ethnic agend.

What the H##L Part of ILLEGAL don't you understand???
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 09:42 PM

I'm going to chide Enrique as gentle as what seems appropriate.......

quoting him,....

"We need immigrants, preferably legal, but we all no breaking the law is funner, so I guess the illegals will do."

..........I'd like to hear this elaborated on,....just a bit,
there might be a great consultancy, and signifigant revenue in convincing the landowner / rancher, and those of us who perodically discover "Stinkers" in this vast, hostile area,
......how much "Funner" this is.

Tell that as well to the beat up , raped, and robbed (sometimes Kilt!) clients of the filthy Coyote Merchants,......

.............oh, yeah, in closing,....please elaborate at legnth on your "Bullet proof Vest".......thet you wear now,

.....Is that "Funner" too?

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/08/08 09:47 PM

"Jobs that Americans are too lazy to do"

.....a riposte,.....caution, it's fairly passionate, and pulls few punches

Link: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71715

What jobs Americans won't do?

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Posted: August 08, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008

Now that the U.S. economy has officially lost nearly a half million jobs this year, what is the excuse for winking at illegal immigration?

President Bush once told us famously the illegal aliens came to "do the jobs Americans wouldn't do."

It seems clear now with the latest reports of the Bureau of Labor Statistics there are no such jobs. Unemployment has hit a four-year high of 5.7 percent.

Yet, nothing changes with regard to the policies of Congress, the president or the proposed new policies of the major presidential candidates. They are all still marching to the tune of "comprehensive immigration reform" including some form of massive amnesty for millions – perhaps tens of millions – whose first act in America was breaking the law.

You saw John McCain and Barack Obama pandering to the extremists at La Raza.

George Bush hasn't changed his mind about the need for more foreign workers – at least publicly.

And members of Congress, before running off for summer vacation, were busy writing new laws to increase the number of visas available for those they hope to make their new constituents.

(Column continues below)



So what is it that drives politicians to serve the interests of non-citizens over taxpayers?

What is it that sustains the momentum of accommodation to an outright invasion by foreigners?

When 8.8 million Americans are officially unemployed and the economy is sputtering, how is it that a policy supposedly based on the need for more foreign workers doesn't change?

The answer is not comforting.

America has, for the most part, ceased to be a sovereign, self-governing society under the rule of law and guided by the will of the people.

I don't just blame the politicians. I blame Americans who are simply too ignorant to recognize what is happening around them or too unwilling to stand up and take action.

The master plan behind this insidious plot to open America's gates to untold millions of poor, uneducated non-English-speaking workers, not to mention vicious criminal gangs, drug dealers and the predatory scum of Latin America, is explained in great detail in Jerome Corsi's excellent work, "The Late Great USA."

It was never about jobs.

And that could not be more obvious today after the jobs have gone away and the invitations for the hordes continue to be sent.

It was about transforming our society into a more multicultural one so there would be less resistance to regional and, eventually, global government.

The plan was exposed so well by WND's relentless reporting, the book and a documentary version of "The Late Great USA," the architect of the plan recently threw in the towel, explaining the plot had been foiled.

But don't accept that as the last word on this convergence plan. It's not dead. It has merely been slowed down. The work continues. And the evidence is the continued efforts to ensure illegal immigrants already here stay and that more are lured into coming – even though the jobs we supposedly need them to fill have vanished.

None of this will be fixed by electing a new president in 2008.

No matter whom you vote for, the next president is going to be another illegal immigration accommodationist, an appeaser of law-breaking, a betrayer of the will of the people and the rule of law.

Voting for John McCain or Barack Obama won't make a difference.

There's only one way to save your country.

You've got to rise up and revolt.

Say, "I'm not going to take it any more – and mean it."

Our forefathers laid it all on the line – their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor.

What are you willing to risk to recapture the dream of American liberty, justice and morality?
Posted by: lhonda

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 12:46 AM

 Originally Posted By: g5m

When 9/11 happened I asked a friend of mine who was from New York if the people in New York would even care about it if it had happened in Kansas City or Dallas. He thought a minute then said, "Probably not". He was probably right.


I call booshat. Why wouldn't we care? We're not American enough back east to care what happens outside our area? I recall Tim McVeigh's blowing over the Murrah building in OK City very well, and remember that following that there was nothing but talk of concern, support and horror in what was done to our fellow Americans. Agreed that some New Yorkers and Bostonians alike have something of an elitist attitude and sense that the rest of the country is second to their existence, but there's some of that everywhere, is there not? I have no dog in this fight, but saw your post and thought I'd toss in my pair of coppers. Your buddy was either out of touch, or speaking for a small minority, I assure you.
Posted by: 6mm250

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 01:43 AM

That illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do is one of the biggest lies that has ever been repeated. There is no such thing as "jobs that Americans won't do". That oft repeated lie is just a sorry excuse for certain employers to keep wages depressed. Illegals are not standing in line for minimum wage jobs , they are invading the trades and technical jobs.
The hourly workers at my place of employment have not had a cost of living increase since 1998. There is a large cheap labor pool of illegals here to keep wages depressed.It is hard for the average American to compete against people who go home in the evening to a place where they split the rent 10 different ways.
To anyone who would admonish me for my thoughts on this matter , get back to me after these people have invaded YOUR trade/profession.Don't think it can't happen to you.

Mike
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 08:25 AM

Mike you're on track,....and here's some recent N.C. news to cheer you up, I hope

Link: http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/week_16386___article.html/fear_illegal.html

Raid rumors roil undocumented community
Comments 52 | Recommend 5
August 6, 2008 - 6:27PM
Keren Rivas / Times-News
Recent arrests in the county have heightened worries among undocumented immigrants in Alamance County about possible roundups.

Word of mouth, e-mails, text messages and flyers are being passed around among members of the community to warn those in the country illegally about massive roundups, or "redadas," along county roads and at factories that are supposedly being planned for today, Friday and Saturday.

Edith, a Mexican native who has lived in the United States illegally for the past 10 years, said Wednesday that she has heard that starting today, there will be traffic checkpoints. Besides regular police officers, she said, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents will be waiting to arrest those who are found driving without a license or with an expired license.

Edith shared her views in her native Spanish and only gave her first name when interviewed.

Edith said she has been told that ICE agents will be going door to door in certain neighborhoods and entering Mexican grocery stores across the county looking for illegal residents to round up. She said rumors persist that on Friday, agents will hit local factories, which she said is causing many people to decide to stay home that day.

Though there are always rumors about possible roundups, she says the stories are worse this time around. Whether they are true or not, Edith said she is afraid of what would happen to her 4-month-old boy if she is arrested.

Damaris, 28, said she heard recently on a Spanish newscast that there will be raids in Charlotte as well this weekend. She said people are also saying that ICE agents are going to arrest people at their houses. Though she wouldn't like to be deported, Damaris, who is from Guatemala, said that is a risk of being in the country illegally.

"This is not my country," she said, adding that she came to America looking for work five years ago. She said she has no opinion about the recent events in the county. "This is their country," she said of federal authorities and other law enforcement. "They are doing what they consider to be right."

Rosalinda Guerrero, who works at Plaza Latina in Graham, said she has been hearing similar rumors from customers this week. A lot of people, she said, have told her that they aren't leaving their homes for fear of being arrested by federal authorities. She said others have told her that they plan to move away to avoid arrest.

Guerrero doesn't believe there is truth to the rumors. "If they are going to do it they are not going to let you know in advance," she said.

She said she even received a text message Tuesday night from a friend who was alerting people about a traffic stop on Interstate 85/40 near the 145 exit. She and her husband happened to be driving by that area when the text came and were able to verify that police were not there.

"People don't know what to believe," Guerrero said, adding that whoever is perpetuating the rumors is only making things worse.

Sergio Guzman, owner of Guzman's Market in Burlington, said business has decreased considerably because people worry about being stopped for driving with an expired license to then be processed for deportation.

Like other merchants in the area, Guzman is aware of the rumors but doubts their veracity. One story he's heard calls for entire factories to shut down their operations Friday since many of their employees are not going to be working that day
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 08:46 AM

Further promotoion of the myth, from Mexican Royalty figure

Link: http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/08/aging-us-will-m.html

The last comment on this topic REALLY resonates, when one stops to think about it,....No?


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Aging U.S. will miss Mexican Immigrants
The Mexican Consul General of Phoenix says that Mexican workers are leaving the U.S. in response to heightened immigration enforcement (stepped up raids and tough laws at the municipal level) but that in coming decades, the U.S. will be sorry it pushed out these young, able-bodied workers.

Speaking to the Thunderbird School of Global Management in Arizona, Carlos Flores Vizcarra said demographic estimates show that within 30 years, nearly 77 million Americans will retire: "So the question is, who will take the place of those folks who are retiring?" he asked. Mexico is also facing a shortage of labor in coming decades, Flores added, and the U.S. will not find it easy to lure these workers back.

While everyone knows that low wages in Mexico are partially responsible for the numbers of Mexicans leaving the country seeking work elsewhere, the population explosion south of the border also has been a factor, he said. During World War II, Mexico had 18 million citizens; today, 20 million foreign-born residents of Mexican descent live in the U.S. --that's more than the entire population of the country in the 1940s. And Mexico's population has quintupled, to about 107 million people.

"It's like a revolution that no country could have digested," Flores said. "What has been our safety valve? The U.S."

But Mexicans seeking a better climate for immigrants aren't just going back to Mexico, Vizcarra said. They're heading north to Canada.

"Canada is pressing on Mexico so that Mexico can provide more labor to Canda," he said. "From this moment, Mexico is looking to the Canadian horizon, maybe with more interest than to the U.S., basicaly because of the sluggish economy here in America, and also becuase Canada is discovering new economic frontiers in Manitoba and Alberta."

Posted by Lisa Richardson on August 8, 2008 in Economy , Immigration , Mexico | Permalink

Comments
There are plenty of foreign workers waiting in line for a chance to come here to work legally. I don't believe we will have a shortage any time soon.
Legal immigrants are usually educated, vaccinated, insured, and can learn to speak English. They also get better paying jobs and pay more in taxes than illegal Mexican Nationals.

Posted by: Texan123 | August 08, 2008 at 01:54 PM

"It's like a revolution that no country could have digested," Flores said. "What has been our safety valve? The U.S."

So this Mexican official admits to what we have always known, the United States has been a safety valve to the Mexican nation. I feel so sorry for these displaced people, how disgusting their government is BUT we cannot throw the baby out with the bath water. If these Mexican national, here illegally, want to live in my country, then show a new allegiance and learn English and assimilate. You'll be my American brother!

Posted by: alexandros | August 08, 2008 at 01:58 PM

Almost half of all legal immigrants come from Mexico! I think America has done it's part to feed the Mexico poor, It's time for Mexico to step up for their own and quit crying about what is Mexico's own responsibility. If Mexicans leave and don't come back there are millions of poorer people who speak English all over the world to replace them.

Posted by: yeahman | August 08, 2008 at 02:31 PM

Typical Mexican false logic with threatening overtones blaming Americans. How can Mexico "be facing a labor shortage" when their population has quintupled to about 107 million people?

Their "safety valve" should be the development of their country and successful employment of their own people. That takes honesty and social committment to their Mexican citizens. Until that happens, they will remain an unequal third world country.

Posted by: cagran | August 08, 2008 at 02:52 PM

At first I thought this post was a joke or a parody. But these days you never know. I hope it was a joke.

Posted by: chris | August 08, 2008 at 05:20 PM

As Workers? What about as a fighting force. The Mexicans also make great warriors and peacemakers. Ask their fellow prison guards, their fellow officers, their fellow troops. I am beginning to think (being in AZ), that the Mexicans make the best Americans. Even when I lived in Baltimore, it was only the Mexicans who stood up to the Bloods, we hid our faces. They are proud people.


Posted by: NiceJewishBoy | August 08, 2008 at 06:23 PM

Mr. Vizcarra:
Mexico has done everything it can to create
al Mexican Nation within our borders through
illegal immigration! Legal immigrants are welcome
to become U.S. citizens and hold their loyalty
to the USA but we all know now that you think
you can game and abuse the 14th amendment,
collaborate with criminal employers and cry a
river of crocodile tears that we need your
uneducated workers so that Mexico( a failed country)
can have a safety valve. The real heroes are the
mestizos marching in Chiapas not the illegals
waving Mexican flags in L.A., Chicago and Phoenix!

Posted by: OneifbyLand | August 08, 2008 at 07:23 PM
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 10:36 AM

 Quote:
"This is not my country," she said, adding that she came to America looking for work five years ago. She said she has no opinion about the recent events in the county.


And that is exactly why we need to separate those who wish to become Americans, and those who come for a paycheck and benefits.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 11:05 AM

Concise and applicable updates,.....these folks do nice articulate corespondence,

Hats off to them,

Jeez, Culiacan's sure no picnic these days,.....

Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/08...for-kidnappers/

M3 Report
Reports derived and translated directly from Mexican and Central American News Sources
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« Mexico’s insecurity costing the country upwards of $120 billion a year, equating to 15% of Gross Domestic ProductPresident Calderon asks Mexican Congress to approve initiatives stiffening penalties for kidnappers
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« Mexico’s insecurity costing the country upwards of $120 billion a year, equating to 15% of Gross Domestic ProductPresident Calderon asks Mexican Congress to approve initiatives stiffening penalties for kidnappers
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Visit our website: http://www.nafbpo.org
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The National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers (NAFBPO) extracts and condenses the material that follows from Mexican and Central and South American on-line media sources on a daily basis. You are free to disseminate this information, but we request that you credit NAFBPO as being the provider.


El Diario de Yucatan (Merida, Yucatan) , El Porvenir (Monterrey, Nuevo Leon) 8/8/08

- In an open letter to “public opinion” the president of the Mexican Assoc. of Professional Real Estate Agents asked that bad law enforcement agents who are “pernicious and noxious” be punished with severity. He backed a recently proposed plan by the Distrito Federal’s Public Security Department to create a nationwide database that would show relevant information on all police officers fired for cause so as to prevent their being re-hired by another police department elsewhere in Mexico.
- In a message to the nation from Veracruz, Pres. Calderon voiced the urgent need to stop the impunity which allows organized crime to operate and asked Congress to approve several initiatives including stiffening penalties for kidnappers and providing for life sentences. He said that the recent kidnapping and murder of Fernando Marti, in which police officers appear to have participated “manifests the urgency of bringing to a halt the impunity with which the criminal organizations operate.” He reiterated his commitment to keep working to restore the country’s tranquility, though he acknowledged that it will take some time because insecurity “is a cancer that has taken root, but together we’ll overcome adversity and we will overcome crime.”
Thousands of persons daily suffer crimes which go unpunished and society demands that the authorities “do the work which we haven’t yet done” “There is no bigger grievance for society than an unpunished crime and it’s even more indignant when the kidnappers are police or are protected by police.”


Milenio (Mexico City) 8/8/08

(The first two paragraphs of an op/column by Roman Revuelas titled “To live in hell” follow):
We Mexicans try to live in a country like all the others, but every once in a while we are obligated to open our eyes to face the disquieting reality of horror. There cannot possibly be a safe haven for anyone when a 14 year old boy is kidnapped by a mob of policemen and then assassinated.
What world do we live in? In a bloody and threatening jungle. Normality does not exist. It is unable to exist. The certainty which can be obtained from everyday activities is quite meager: when you leave home you don’t know if you are going to return; if you start a road trip you don’t know if you’ll reach your destination safely; just running a business means that you are on a blacklist, and the worst is that nobody escapes, neither the women or the children.
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(Note: while the U.S. media yesterday publicized the death of 9 illegal aliens and the injury to some ten others from a vehicle accident near Florence, AZ , nothing was known of the following two nearly parallel events):

- “At least 26 Mexican “migrants”, four of them women, were detained by municipal police in the vicinity of El Centinela Hill when a people trafficker was attempting to cross them to the United States border.”
“The presumed “pollero”, identified as Alejandro Quintero Gonzalez, was driving a van through a desert area by the above mentioned hill almost at the point of pump # 0 of the Rio Colorado-Tijuana aqueduct, in the Calexico, California, border area. The migrants, from Puebla, Michoacan and Jalisco, were thus rescued from the temperatures above 45 degrees,” (From “El Porvenir”, Monterrey, N.L., 9/7/0
- In Chiapas, state police attempted to stop a speeding p/u truck. Instead, it speeded up but was eventually stopped: two Guatemalan smugglers were transporting twelve other Guatemalans, all illegally in Mexico. The two “revealed” that they were taking their fellow countrymen to Jiquipilas, where two other “polleros” would continue the trip to the north of the country. (From “Cuarto Poder”, Tuxtla, Chiapas, 8/8/0
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El Diario de Coahuila (Saltillo, Coah.) 8/8/08

The freight train pulled into the yard at the Chicalote station at San Francisco de los Romo, state of Aguascalientes, and then federal agents found 19 Hondurans, 2 Guatemalans and 2 Salvadorans, all heading to the United States. They were held “at the disposal of the INM” (Mex. Immigr.) to be repatriated to their countries of origin. Leonel, a 20 year old Honduran, said that neither he nor his companions would cease in “their search to enter the United States.”
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Cambio de Michoacan (Morelia, Mich.) , El Diario (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 8/8/08

In ( or by - reports differ - ) a sewage water canal along the Vista Hermosa to Zamora highway, in Michoacan: the four nude bodies of men in their twenties. All tied, with visible signs of torture and with ropes around their necks. All have been preliminarily identified as federal “Preventive Police” agents. Tag boards left with the cadavers read: “This is to have you keep keep sending more airplanes.” Federal troops arrived in the area recently as part of Joint Operation Michoacan.
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El Universal (Mexico City) 8/8/08

- Six men were arrested and a small arsenal was seized by federal agents in Nogales Sonora. The haul : 7 AK47 rifles, a shotgun, 3 revolvers, a 45mm pistol, 32 clips & 1,347 rounds, plus a couple of money counting machines and small amounts of weed.
- A taxi driver’s homicide raised to five the number of victims in Michoacan. To these are added eight victims in Chihuahua, four in Sinaloa, two in Durango and one each in Guanajuato, Mexico & Tabasco. Eight of the total were identified as police officers.
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Noroeste (Culiacan, Sinaloa) 8/8/08

The adult son of the founder and head of this newspaper was found dead in the trunk of his own car in Culiacan. His head was in a plastic bag, his hands and feet were tied and his body had blows and cuts.
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El Heraldo (Tegucigalpa, Honduras) 8/8/08

1,178 kilos of cocaine were seized in a joint operation by Honduran Navy & anti-drug personnel and the U.S. Coast Guard last Wednesday in the area off Honduras’ Mosquito Coast.
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Prensa Libre (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 8/8/08

Traveling in four taxis coming from Zanatepec, in the state of Oaxaca: fifteen Guatemalans & two Salvadorans, all illegally in Mexico. Federal police turned them over to the “INM”.
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Posted by: nemesis

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 11:34 AM

 Originally Posted By: Enrique


You think we should ship them all back? That will make things worse. Whether people believe it or not. We need illegals just as much as we don't. Face it, wages won't change. Therefore, you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do. Not saying anything derogatory here, but many people would rather go on wellfare than take an outside job or start at the bottom. We need immigrants, preferably legal, but we all no breaking the law is funner, so I guess the illegals will do. It is wrong and unfair, but we need someone to do the jobs.


Hey Enrique,

Not saying anything derogatory here, but that's about the dumbest statement I've ever heard on this forum.

You speak like you're an authority on the subject.

What's your basis for claiming "you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do"?

What data do you have to support this allegation?

And what the hell does the following statement mean?

"We need immigrants, preferably legal, but we all no breaking the law is funner, so I guess the illegals will do."

Huh?

By the way, are you legal?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 12:28 PM

CHIT !,......

.....don't you just hate it when the 12 year old does this?

Emulating the adults he's surrounded by,.....

Link: http://news.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=928473

Man wanted on warrants charged in QC school gun case
August 8th, 2008 @ 5:40pm
by KTAR Newsroom

The man whose gun ended up in the hands of the 12-year-old Queen Creek boy accused of taking it to school is now himself in trouble with the law.

The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office says deputies arrested Fernando Martinez-Cura for the unlawful possession of a firearm.

MCSO says that gun ended up in the hands of his girlfriend's grandson who took it to school.

School officials saw the boy handling the gun in front of other kids.

Martinez-Cura, an illegal immigrant, was booked on the felony weapons charge and two outstanding warrants.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 12:36 PM

UHhhhhhh,......OOPS?

Jeez, that Mike Chertof is just HOT,.....SO effective,...with High tech solutions " virtual " fences,....special visas,.....

I just feel SO,.....secure with him at the helm,

musta' been like that on the Titanic, .....what?


GAG,.......Retch,.....

Link: http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8695

Invasion USA: High-Tech Security Visas Sold on Mexican Black Market
Jim Kouri
August 8, 2008


United States immigration and State Department officials fear that their newly developed, high-tech visas are being sold on the Mexican black market.

The US government hoped the newly designed visas would help in curtailing rampant illegal immigration at the Mexican border, but investigators believe many of them are being bought or rented by Mexicans seeking illegal entry into the US.

Well over 11,000 of these Laser Visas, issued to Mexicans for legitimate travel into the United States were reported stolen or "lost" in just two border cities. Government officials claim this is a 15 percent jump from previous figures.

The ATM card-sized documents, which include the legal holder's photograph and scanned fingerprints, were actually developed for use in 1998 hopefully to increase security and standardize documents used by Mexicans to cross the border since so many different types of documentation made the screening process cumbersome and confusing.

"While many may have been legitimately 'lost,' it seems probable that quite a few are either 'stolen' or 'reported stolen' in order to sell them," a U.S. consular official, who declined to be named, told Reuters.

"There appears to be a healthy market for both buying and renting laser visas on the border," she added.

Mexicans call these visa cards "Micas," which allow bearers to cross into the US without other supporting documents. The card also allows them to travel up to 25 miles inside California or Texas and they may remain in the US up to 30 days.

According to figures provided by Reuters, 8,745 of the border crossing cards went astray last year in Ciudad Juarez, south of El Paso, Texas, and 3,095 in Tijuana, opposite San Diego, California. No figures were available for other cities along the 2,000-mile border.

The problem got so bad that the US Embassy in Mexico City revamped its visa policy late last year, but did not inform anyone of the mounting problem. The embassy now replaces "lost" or stolen cards with stickers placed inside passports hope this will curb the illegal market of the laser cards.

The paradox is that in an effort to beef up security at the Mexican border using state-of-the-art technology, the US may have made it even easier to compromise that very security.

Also, the US is getting zero help from the Fox government in Mexico City during the course of investigations. While not speaking "on the record," off the record some US law enforcement people believe elements within the Mexican federal and local governments are assisting in the diversion of legitimate visas.

While US authorities say they possess no concrete evidence that organized Mexican human trafficking rings overseeing the illicit trade are using these cards, many security experts believe there are several organizations trafficking in this document.

But Tijuana police claim most of the stray visas are sold by cash-strapped holders to human traffickers in the gritty industrial city of 2 million people, on a widely used route for Mexican illegal immigrants headed for the Californian border.

Recently, seven illegal aliens from Mexico were arrested for allegedly operating a fraudulent document ring in Chicago's "Little Village" area. The organized crime enterprise generated approximately $2.5 million a year.

Found inside the residence was equipment used for making fake government documents, including: five high-speed computers, printers, ID card printers, scanners, laminating pouches, foil strips with security features, dozens of counterfeit identification cards, and other document-making paraphernalia. The estimated value of the seized items is approximately $10,000; the street value of the software is believed to be about $100,000.

Law enforcement commanders throughout the US believe that there are similar operations being conducted by Mexican organized crime cells. The Castorena crime family, a Mexican organized crime family that has controlled the majority of the fraudulent document manufacturing and sales trade in the US over the past 10 years, is believed to be trafficking in these new high-tech visas. Some even believe they are attempting to duplicate these cards.

Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and he's a staff writer for the New Media Alliance (thenma.org). Kouri also serves as political advisor for Emmy and Golden Globe winning actor Michael Moriarty.
Posted by: Gus

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 01:41 PM

everybody wants to get this whole debacle solved in the best way possible. we all feel sorry for folks in the overpopulated parts of the world. and poor folks coming here for relief is natural on their part.

but, if that idea was applied worldwide, we'd be completely overrun with refugees, and that is what they are. can you imagine everyone pouring into the US for relief? how sustainable would that be? we're already near or at carrying capacity.

i "wish" the folks in other countries would hold their gov'ts accountable for their economy and living conditions. instead, they pack their bags and culture and bring both to the US. never intending to assimilate, they remain a part of their old culture, but at the expense of US taxpayers.

while i support the Iraq and Afghanistan adventures, we ought to have sufficient firepower on the southern borderline to remove any and all threats to our citizenry from illegals.

maybe deporting all without visas is the way to go, what with the economy affecting everyone's finances, like it is.

folks from other parts of the world might be in a bind, but they need to "shakeup" their own country's gov't, imho, instead of coming here and parasitizing what is left of our economy.
Posted by: jdm953

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 02:08 PM

I agree with you completely and will add to it.The illegals are working for so little that they steal to keep going.Now before anyone jumps on me for that statement understand that I work for a general contractor.We have a lot of tools and equipment on the jobsites.We watch things closely and catch a good bit of it.We have been dealing with it for years(20+).It is a steady on going battle.I dont want to fight about it just understand that it is a daily problem.It does not seem to matter which sub contractor they work for.The common element is that close to 75% of the stealing is done by Illegals,well75% of the ones that get caught are Illegals.They are very bold,I have watched form a distance and seen them take tools from the back of one pick up and carry it to another with the owner not 30 feet away.Like I said we have to watch very closely.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 03:41 PM

I gotta respond to this,........

Once,and only once, in 23 1/2 years of operating in the Great N.W., " North of the Medicine Line" did I have anything ripped off of my welding rig deck. That was a brilliantly new hank of 1/2" Poly rope,.......literally hanging off the side of the rig,....Parked on Banff Ave. ( Alta. Canada).....not your normal jobsite.

Moved to Az,....and worked 14 jobs ( employee) and I dunno how many small contracts first year here...........lost a LOT of tooling before I smartened up.........

Sunsabiotches'll steal anything not ACTIVELY protected,......

.....but than , hey, after all "We" stole Aztlan,.......right?

I don't realy like to have to "Fight" over my property, acquired fair and square like,.....with chimp minds, either

Pizz on how they do it at home.

GTC
Posted by: jdm953

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/09/08 06:42 PM

Let me give one example(I have many).The job site is filled with subcontractors.The job is finishing up and we have one of the company guys putting down the tire bumps in the parking lot.We use a large Hilti hammer drill to put holes in the concrete and drive re-bar through the bumps to hold them.The drill stops working so time to see if it got unpluged(happens all the time).He plugs the cord back in and returns to what he was doing except when he gets back the drill is gone.A minute later he is approached be an electrician who was putting neon lights on the building and saw one of the concrete workers take the drill and put it in his car.The fight was on,the illegal did not want to give it back and ranted like a maniac for 15 minutes.This is very common now a days.This is just one example,I have hundreds.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/10/08 09:10 AM

San FranFreako in doo-doo ( ughhhhh, don't they sorta' go for that kinda' thing out there? )

Link: http://www.kcbs.com/Sanctuary-City-a-Federal-Matter/2756049

Sanctuary City a Federal Matter


SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) - Federal investigators are looking into San Francisco's sanctuary policy which sent illegal juvenile offenders back home, or in some cases to Southern California group homes, backed by city funds.
“Very close to it,” says United States Attorney for Northern California Joseph Russoniello when asked if San Francisco is harboring fugitives.

Russoniello's office is looking into whether laws were broken. He says criminal charges are a possibility.

”I wouldn’t want to say at this point who that might be, but there certainly is a statute which is very clear, Title 8, that identifies the different offenses with the harboring context that could be brought,” claims Russoniello.

The city has revised its policy and is now notifying federal authorities when a juvenile is in the country illegally and taken into custody in San Francisco.

Russoniello notes the sanctuary policy has been on record for decades, but the wording has changed over time making it hard to figure out who is responsible.

Public interest in the policy began after documents surfaced that alledged triple homocide assailant, 21-year-old Edwin Ramos, had been previously shielded from prosecution due to protection from San Francisco's sanctuary city policy.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/10/08 09:15 AM

This'll be fun to watch,and brings to mind the situation in N.C. where text messages were propogating all sortsa' rumors about check stop and " Roiling" the local illlegal community.

I say,............LETS ROIL

......go Sherrif Joe!

Link: http://www.kpho.com/news/17145450/detail.html

Arpaio To Launch New Crime Sweep On Wednesday

POSTED: 4:18 pm MST August 9, 2008
UPDATED: 6:58 am MST August 10, 2008


PHOENIX -- Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said his next crime suppression sweep on Wednesday will be a lot different from all the others.

But he stopped short on Saturday explaining how the latest crackdown will vary from the others. And he didn't announce which community he will target.

"I don't want to publicize it now and get all the politicians involved with all of their friends who are demonstrators," Arpaio said. "They always make it a political thing."

During past crime sweeps, sheriff's deputies typically canvass a chosen area, pulling over any driver breaking the law, even minor infractions. Those who are in the United States illegally are immediately arrested.

A vocal opponent of the tactic is Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon.

"I believe the public would rather have officers going after felons than somebody pushing a cart across the street and didn't stop at the crosswalk," Gordon said.

Gordon said he a finds it bizarre that the sheriff announces his plans in advance.

"A crime suppression raid where you're targeting individuals by announcing you're coming. I don't understand the logic of that," Gordon said.

Arpaio said he publicizes his raids to encourage voluntary compliance.

"Maybe they will leave town, go back to the country they came from, and get out of town because they know the sheriff is coming," Arpaio said. "And that's great. If they leave, isn't that great? "So I want people to know we're doing this."

Since the crime sweeps began, about half of those arrested have been illegal immigrants, according to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office.

New numbers from MCSO shows crime in Maricopa County has dropped 10 percent over the past year.

Arpaio said the numbers only pertain to those areas in the county that are unincorporated -- those communities that have no local police department and that are policed by the county.

The sheriff reports that violent crimes, including murder, rape, aggravated assault and armed robbery have declined by 10 percent when compared with the same time frame in 2007.

Arpaio said his deputies have cleared almost 8,000 warrants this year, most of which are felonies.

The sheriff credits his planned crime sweeps as one of the reasons the crime rate has declined. Since the sweeps began, the sheriff has arrested 270 people, half of which are illegal immigrants.

Gordon said he's reluctant to believe Arpaio's numbers.

"I don't think anybody should draw a conclusion on a verbal press release without the actual statistic," Gordon said.

Arpaio shot back. "When you look at the jail I run, 10,000 inmates, 2,000 out of the 10 are illegals, that's 20 percent in my jail," he said. "I have proof."
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/10/08 09:21 AM

An illegal would have to be crazy to live and work in this guys jurisdiction. \:\)
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/10/08 09:44 AM

Phil Gordon is really out of his league matching wits ( trying to anyhoo) with Joe,........and he's gotten to where he scrupulously avoids one on one debate or open forum dialogue with Arpaio.

Gordon's earily similar to that Newsome creep out in san fran sicko.......No?

Kissy huggy feely snugl'ums for the poor cwiminals and the downtrodden,......

It's just nuts,, I tell 'ya.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/10/08 09:48 AM

Oh, .....speaking of Mayors,......here's a Candidate for L.A. race,.........sorely needed IMHO,

this is FUNNY ( in a sick way,.....?)

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/MISCNEWS/2006-UP/MOORE-WALTER/080810-GameShow.html

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/10/08 09:48 PM

My Oh My,......this is a real "Firebrand" kind of approach,....from a recent new site,.....Phew, ....I need a cold one after readin' this.

Good on Indianna ,......they're fed up too.

Link: http://www.borderfirereport.net/oliver-w.-hagley/there-will-be-blood.html

There Will Be Blood
Oliver Hagley
August 10, 2008 - Please understand that I do not advocate violence or shedding of blood n the United States, nor do I wish for that sort of disaster to strike our republic. Our history is that of a nation which operates in the accordance with the rule of law; we have always settled our domestic differences through the ballot box, rather than with bullets.

For 232 years that approach has worked fairly well. I hope that it works for another 232 years.

However, in recent years, elected officials have decided that once they have secured power, the need to listen to the will of the people is no longer urgent. This arrogant, nonchalant disregard for American citizens is hardly more obvious than when it comes to the issue of illegal aliens.
Because elected officials from both major parties have refused to enforce US borders and immigration laws, perhaps as many as 40 million illiterate, non-English speaking peasants have invaded our land.

This invasion wreaks havoc on homeland security, the economy, education, and American language and culture.

The American people have repeatedly informed our leaders that we want an immediate end to and reversal of illegal immigration. We want the federal government to secure the borders and deport the illegal aliens from our midst, as soon as possible.

Despite the wishes of we the people, both presidential candidates from the major parties favor amnesty for invading criminals.

Amnesty would be a slap in the face to hundreds of millions of Americans citizens, and to the millions of foreigners who wait their turn in line for a chance at the American Dream.

Amnesty says to the world that rule of law means nothing in America.

Amnesty says to the world that there is no longer a sovereign state known as the United States.

Amnesty would be the final step in destroying American language and culture and sending this once great nation down the path to third-world misery.

Amnesty tells American voters to go to hell while welcoming illegal invaders warmly.

With both major parties siding with illegal aliens and against American citizens, amnesty seems increasingly likely to become reality in early 2009.

That will be a genuine tragedy, because millions of patriotic Americans simply will not lie down and die while America is methodically destroyed by politicians looking for cheap labor or cheap votes.

America fought a great and tragic civil war to end slavery. The nation appears to be on the verge of another civil war, this time to free the American people from the bondage of illegal aliens.

When amnesty becomes law, it is almost certain that there will be blood.

Sad, but true.

Oliver W. Hagley is a former nuclear material accountancy expert who lives in Elizabeth, Indiana.
Oliver W. Hagley Archives
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/10/08 09:50 PM

CHIT !

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/ABP/PHOTO-OF-THE-DAY/2008/ARCHIVE/080810.html
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/11/08 10:23 AM

Is it cuz' Maryland's so close to D.C. ?

this is nuts,......

Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid
U.S. Enemy Joins Forces with Globalists, Local Government

American Patrol Report -- Tucson -- August 11
"By Chavez's hand, Venezuela has become a treacherous haven for terrorist groups to plot destruction against the West and her allies." (Human Events 9/27/07)

Casa de Maryland, an open-borders anti-American organization, that is funded in part by the Ford Foundation the same people who brought us MALDEF and the National Council of la Raza, and supported by Montgomery County Maryland, has now received the financial backing of Citgo, an arm of Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela (see Hugo Chavez, Enemy in America’s Backyard).
Casa de Maryland is a strong advocate of amnesty for illegal aliens and fights attempts to enforce immigration laws.
"The Ford Foundation and a Maryland county now find themselves in collusion with an enemy of the United States," said Glenn Spencer of the American Patrol Report. "This should not be surprising since the Ford Foundation has been doing that for more than thirty years, but for local elected officials to be part of this crowd is very disturbing. " Spencer said the American people "should be afraid, be very afraid."
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/11/08 12:21 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Phil Gordon is really out of his league matching wits ( trying to anyhoo) with Joe,........and he's gotten to where he scrupulously avoids one on one debate or open forum dialogue with Arpaio.

Gordon's earily similar to that Newsome creep out in san fran sicko.......No?

Kissy huggy feely snugl'ums for the poor cwiminals and the downtrodden,......





It's just nuts,, I tell 'ya.

GTC




I'm hoping Gordon gets recalled.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/11/08 09:46 PM

We need BCB on this case,....pronto, ....in Toronto, ...like.

""We have to feel safe in Montreal."


WTF, over?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i4ffFONRmWjkHndkWW8dMZR7YC9gD92G9DJ80

Fatal shooting by police sparks Montreal riot
By JANIE GOSSELIN – 9 hours ago

MONTREAL (AP) — Montreal's mayor on Monday promised a swift inquiry into the shooting death of a Honduran teenager by police after the incident prompted violent clashes between angry youth and authorities in a heavily Haitian neighborhood.

A police officer was shot in the leg late Sunday, cars were set ablaze, stores were looted and firefighters were pelted with beer bottles in Montreal North, a multiethnic area referred to by local police as the Bronx of Montreal for its poverty and crime.

Several hundred officers in riot gear fanned out in the area, searching for a group of youths suspected of torching eight cars parked outside a fire station. Six people were arrested.

The violence erupted after a peaceful protest against the Saturday shooting by police of three unarmed people, including an 18-year-old man, identified by his sister as Freddy Alberto Villanueva, an immigrant from Honduras who died of his wounds.

Jean-Ernest Pierre, a lawyer and owner of a Montreal radio station popular with the city's ethnic minorities, said his station was beset with angry calls from people concerned about police treatment of minorities.

Some policemen are not well equipped to face what Pierre called the new Quebec, a multiethnic society, he said, adding that many minorities feel targeted because of the color of their skin.

"People don't trust the police," Pierre said.

He also said there's a gang problem in Montreal North, where poverty makes many young people vulnerable to recruitment.

About 25 percent of the residents of Montreal North are immigrants. Almost 15 percent are black and 3.5 percent are Latino, according to census data.

On Sunday, men and women of all ages crawled through the smashed windows of a pawn shop, a convenience store and a butcher shop, grabbing anything they could. They could be seen running down the street clutching TVs, cigarette cartons and slabs of meat.

Montreal police spokesman Ian Lafreniere said one police officer was hospitalized after being shot in the leg.

An ambulance technician was hit in the head by a bottle and a second police officer suffered minor injuries, he said. Both were released from hospital after treatment.

Three people were arrested for breaking and entering, one for drug possession and two others for charges still to be determined, he said.

Mayor Gerald Tremblay said he'll meet with community leaders to ensure another riot doesn't happen. "One thing is for sure — we have to do better than what we've been doing," he said.

Tremblay promised a speedy investigation and said they must be up front about what prompted police to open fire on Villanueva and two others on Saturday.

City police have said the officers were trying to make an arrest in Henri Bourassa Park around 7 p.m. when they were surrounded by about 20 youths.

A few individuals allegedly broke away from the group and rushed the officers.

According to police, one officer then opened fire.

The officers were not wounded.

Quebec provincial police have taken over the investigation into the shootings.

Villanueva's sister, Julissa, said the family wants answers.

"We only know what we see in the news, in the newspapers, that's all," she said, weeping as she spoke about her brother, a student who wanted to become a mechanic. Villanueva's family came to Canada from Honduras in 1998.

Community leaders said many youngsters feel disenfranchised and are frustrated by what they see as heavy-handed police tactics.

"What we are seeing are youngsters, a community that is in revolt because they don't like they way they are being treated," said Pierreson Vaval, who leads a youth group.

"They don't like how authorities interact with them."

The melee Sunday night was the second large-scale riot in Montreal in four months.

In April, a downtown celebration after the Montreal Canadiens defeated the Boston Bruins in a National Hockey League playoff game turned violent when people began torching police cars and looting stores. Police arrested 56 people.

Police Chief Yvan Delorme said he's prepared to do whatever it takes to mend ties with the community.

"We're there to listen, to understand what happened (Sunday) night and to avoid these kinds of situations," Delorme said. "We have to feel safe in Montreal."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/12/08 09:25 AM

I'm not at all sure that interupting / interdicting "The Flow of Guns" into Mexico is do-able,.....

and am having horrible deja-vu about back when HBarry McCaffery gave all of our DEA operations to a corrupt Mexican counterpart,.....and it just wrecked a lot of hard work and got many people hurt.

"give Mexican law enforcement officials greater access to the eTrace computer database in the U.S.,......................."

...........I'm not at ALL sure how to feel about that gem,.....
But my gut says bad idea.


Link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/...r.3990c2b5.html

Officials at border security conference call for more U.S.-Mexico cooperation

07:57 AM CDT on Tuesday, August 12, 2008
By DAVID McLEMORE / The Dallas Morning News
dmclemore@dallasnews.com

EL PASO — Top U.S. law enforcement officials praised Mexico’s anti-drug efforts Monday and urged more binational cooperation as an antidote to the drug-fueled violence along the border.

FBI Director Robert Mueller, addressing the fifth annual border security conference at the University of Texas at El Paso, stressed that crime doesn’t recognize borders. The FBI is concerned with the high level of violence along the border and the drug and human smuggling and gang activity that generates it, he said.

Of particular concern is the violence just across the border in Ciudad Juárez, where 700 people have been killed in drug violence this year, Mr. Mueller said. He praised Mexican President Felipe Calderón for his strong response.

“We have two cartels fighting for control. President Calderón has taken the fight to them, but serious challenges still exist to border security that must be met with a joint effort,” Mr. Mueller said.

José Riojas, UTEP vice president of strategic initiatives, also said the problem demands a shared response.

“We have to develop a strategy that is best for public safety no matter what side of the border people live on,” he said. “We believe that is best arrived at through a binational effort that provides for both border security while protecting commerce. But Mexico has to part of that conversation.”

Today at the conference, Mr. Riojas will be formally named executive director of the university’s new National Center for Border Security and Immigration.

Manuel Suárez-Mier, legal attache for the Mexican attorney general, said Mexico has paid a high price for its success against drug cartels.

“We are destroying the crime organizations’ structure, and that has spurred more violence … as the drug organizations spread out to kidnapping and extortion to make money,” he said. “What we need is the full commitment of the United States, particularly in helping integrate technology we don’t have access to. …

“We are seeing the benefits of greater cooperation between the United States and Mexico, but the price has been high for us,” Mr. Suárez-Mier said. “More than 2,500 people have been killed in the drug wars, and people want immediate results.”

Michael Sullivan, director of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, praised Mexico’s efforts.

“We have asked Mexico to assist in stopping the flow of drugs across our borders, and they have done so extraordinarily well — and at great cost to civilians and law enforcement officers targeted for execution and assassinations by the drug cartels,” Mr. Sullivan said. “What Mexico asks us to do is something similar, to halt the flow of guns into Mexico.”

ATF data shows that 90 to 95 percent of the guns used to drug violence in Mexico enter illegally from the United States, adding significantly to the rising tide of violence.

U.S. and Mexican law enforcement agencies recently unveiled a joint effort, called Armas Cruzadas (Crossed Arms) to disrupt cross-border weapons smuggling through the sharing of databases and better monitoring of illicit sales at gun shops and gun shows.

The new measures will also give Mexican law enforcement officials greater access to the eTrace computer database in the U.S., allowing them to use the serial numbers to trace weapons used in Mexican crimes to U.S. gun dealers.

Mr. Mueller noted that the FBI is engaged in 146 separate task force investigations, 12 of them in Texas, aimed at drug smuggling groups and gang activity.

And the agency is engaged with Mexican police in a binational anti-kidnapping task force. Asked how U.S. agents know they can trust Mexican law enforcement officers, Mr. Mueller stressed that drug corruption does not just affect Mexico.

“Mexico struggles to build up its rule of law. President Calderón has led the way in this attack on public corruption,” he said. “We carefully vet the agencies we share information with. We work only with those we can trust.”

The border conference continues Tuesday with an address by Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Ralph Basham and a panel discussion on balancing the needs of security and trade at the border.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/12/08 12:20 PM

I dunno about a recall on Gavin Newsome,......I think he should be charged with something pretty doggone serious,.....what the hell has been going on out there, anyway?


From Judicial Watch,.....

Link: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ju...5A%7D&dist=hppr

Judicial Watch Uncovers Triple-Murder Suspect Edwin Ramos's San Francisco Police Records Revealing "MS-13" Criminal Street Gang Activity
Illegal Alien Ramos Indicted for Slaying Bologna Family Father & 2 Sons

Last update: 4:40 a.m. EDT Aug. 12, 2008
WASHINGTON, DC, Aug 12, 2008 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Judicial Watch, the public interest organization that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has obtained San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) records concerning the arrest of illegal alien murder suspect Edwin Ramos. Ramos is currently charged with the June 22, 2008, triple murder of Tony Bologna and his sons Michael and Matthew in San Francisco's Excelsior District.
The SFPD records, obtained by Judicial Watch pursuant to the provisions of the California Public Records Act, identify Ramos, "based on... numerous documented contacts" as being an active member of the MS-13 street gang. The records, which document that he is not a U.S. citizen, also show Ramos's previous March 30, 2008, arrest related to weapons and gang charges. San Francisco prosecutors declined to charge Ramos. He was released on April 2, 2008.
Because the Bologna family slayings (SFPD Incident Report No.: 080652433) is still considered an open investigation, Ramos's records related to that crime were not produced to Judicial Watch. Likewise, Ramos's juvenile criminal record remains sealed, although reports in the San Francisco Chronicle revealed that Ramos is an illegal alien who was found to have committed two (2) felonies at the age of 17 -- a gang-related assault and an attempted robbery of a pregnant woman.
Despite his violent criminal behavior Ramos, a Salvadoran native, was not turned over by San Francisco juvenile justice officials to federal immigration authorities. San Francisco law prohibits local officials from cooperating with federal officials in deporting illegal aliens.
"San Francisco's 'don't ask, don't tell' sanctuary policies protect illegal alien gang bangers and put American citizens at risk," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "Sanctuary policies for illegal aliens must end. It is a matter of life and death."
In addition to its investigation of the Ramos incident, Judicial Watch has an ongoing taxpayer lawsuit against San Francisco related to its status as an illegal alien sanctuary city (Fonseca v. Fong, Case No. A120206). The lawsuit is currently on appeal. Judicial Watch also recently launched a brand new Internet site dedicated to fighting illegal alien sanctuary policies across the United States, http://www.sanctuarybusters.org.
Copies of the SFPD records obtained by Judicial Watch can be found on Judicial Watch's Internet site, http://www.judicialwatch.org.
Contact:
Jill Farrell
Judicial Watch
202-646-5188
Posted by: Birdwatcher

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/12/08 03:28 PM

 Quote:
Face it, wages won't change. Therefore, you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do.


Just thought I'd jump on the bandwagon.

I live close to the Border in one of the fastest-growing areas of the US. Flat amazing to walk into a convenience store around here in the morning and note the contrast.

On the one hand you have us soft-handed, effete Americans (White, Black AND Brown around this neck of the woods), most of us overweight, hopping out of our SUV's...

And then you have the sunburned, skinny, calloused crews all speaking Spanish piling out of construction vehicles and old pickup trucks....

Just got done with a 12,000 mile summer of road trips, everywhere from Arizona to New York to New Mexico to South Carolina. Seen Mexican laborers EVERYWHERE.

A common sentiment among illegals and the grown children of same around here is "we BUILT this country". Now most folks here are old enough and have been around enough to have the perspective to know that ain't true, but based just upon recent evidence it becomes hard to argue.

Despite the scum minority in their midst, most of these folks is good people, as anyone who has worked around them will attest.

Jobs Americans wont do? Heck my father worked construction his WHOLE LIFE, I got kin up Northeast STILL making a living that way. 'Spect it would be hard to in Texas though, given the cheap illegal labor pool here.

Fact is though, until we start going after the AMERICANS who hire illegals, and going after 'em hard, we're all just peeing in the wind here.

Birdwatcher
Posted by: blinddog1

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/12/08 04:09 PM

With the liberal appeasment mentality that seems to be so popular now. I guess US history since 1849 can be forgotten. Since Mexico seems to think that the US from the Red River and the Gila River south, still belongs to Mexico, along with California. I guess things like the War with Mexico, and the Gasden purchase can just be forgotten about. Heck the can have Cali back LA and San Fransisco any how. But I am sort of attached to most of the southwest like Az and Texas and New Mexico. But the propaganda is that the US stole all of northern Mexico. I am waiting for tha suit Mexico tries to bring in the World court attesting to that. FWIW the Gadsden Purchase in the 1880's bought the land south of the Gila River to the presant border. Legend has it that the survey group ran out of booze after leaving Nogales and cut north to Yuma that is why the southern border of AZ has that jog to it. And I would think every one knows about the war of Texas Independance, and how the Republic of Texas became a State a few years later, or the US war with Mexico in 1848-49, where the US forces captured Mexican soil clear up to Mexico City. The US Marines Corps mentions it the line " From the Halls of Montezuma"
Every time Mexican troops invade US soil it is a violation of international law, in times past it would have been considered an act of war. Hell it still is in most of the world.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/12/08 09:01 PM

This fellow's an interesting read,.....I've never been bored with his work,.....it can be different and DEEP, sometimes.

Link: http://www.vdare.com/collins/080811_culture.htm

It's The Culture, Stupid!!!
By Donald A. Collins

My wife and I just spent a marvelous week cruising on the Adriatic with ports of call all along Croatia. Our motor yacht, Le Monet, a jaunty Croatian-registered ship, picked us up in Venice and took us to many of the main points of interest along that lovely, island-studded coastline, including Pulu, Split, Hvar, Zadir, and Dubrovnik

No, relax, this is not a travelogue piece. Constantly, we passengers, about 50 grads of Oberlin, William and Mary, Case Western and a few interlopers from other universities, heard stories from our Croatian guides and crew members about the 1991-2 Yugoslav Civil War. We were horrified and yet fascinated. These handsome, tall, well-educated Croatians admitted that they look just like Serbs. You can't tell one from another, said one guide in Zadir—who had returned from school in Arkansas just in time to watch the bombs fall in her neighborhood, killing neighbors and friends. Some of the evacuated Serbian population had lived before the war for years in peace next door to her family's home.

I asked one guide in Dubrovnik why that historic walled city—not the new one that surrounds it–was badly shelled during the war. Her response: "Because if the Serbs couldn't have it, they didn't want us to have it."

Then she amplified: "You see the thinking is often like this. If you could make your neighbor blind, you would be willing to have one of your own eyes put out."

To paraphrase an earlier US presidential campaign phrase, "It's the culture, stupid."

Look at the same effect in Ireland. I’ve been to Ireland, both North and South, many times. I certainly can't tell an Ulster Protestant from an Irish Catholic. But even now, as the violence diminished, the place still has its upsets.

A more recent example of the power of culture to divide and destroy: a New York Times article by Michael Kimmelman, With Flemish Nationalism on the Rise, Belgium Teeters on the Edge (August 4th):

"The other morning Damien Thiéry was in the meeting room of the town hall here, where every month or so, at public council sessions, Flemish nationalists harass him.

“The population of this bedroom community outside Brussels is 84 percent French-speaking. More than a year ago it picked Mr. Thiéry, a Linkebeek native, as mayor. But Linkebeek is within the Flemish north, and the region's Flemish government has so far declined to ratify his election.

“Mr. Thiéry is not Flemish."

So what? Well, Kimmelman continues:

"The German newspaper Die Tageszeitung a few days ago called Belgium the ‘most successful “failed state” of all time.’ The Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme offered to resign last month, saying that the ‘federal consensus model has reached its limits,’ and that he couldn't bring harmony to the country's Flemish and French-speaking regions, raising the specter that this nation of 10.4 million might split up for good."

If this doesn't speak to the situation developing in California and other Southwestern states, I don't know what does. The mayor of LA clearly speaks only for Hispanics. The possibility of whole U.S. sections being subsumed into a non-functional ethnic ghetto is no longer far-fetched. In the context of further quotes from Kimmelman’s New York Times piece, it’s highly discomfiting:

"’We have two separate cultures in Belgium,’ said Mr. Thiéry, a sturdy man wearing shirt sleeves on a warm summer day, clearly exasperated. ‘It wasn't this divisive when I grew up. Protesters shout, “French people get off our territory” at our meetings. Flemish authorities refuse to give contracts to our French-speaking schoolteachers; they give Flemish children here 179 euros a year for school trips and other expenses, French children, 68 euros. If we want subsidies, we are obliged to stock our library with 75 percent of the books in Flemish, but it's ridiculous to have a Flemish library in a mostly French-speaking town.’

“Should Flanders ever secede, an independent Flemish nation that hoped to regain European Union membership would need to respect popular elections, including his, he added ruefully. ‘Ironic, no?’ he said.

“Els Witte is a Belgian historian. At her apartment, up the street from the headquarters of the European Union in Brussels, she pondered the bad marriage of French-speaking Wallonia and Dutch-speaking Flanders.

" ‘A language is a culture,’ she said. ‘In Belgium the two cultures know very little about each other because they speak different languages. There are singers known in one part, not in the other. Television is different, newspapers, books.’”

“Francophones have now come to talk about ‘linguistic cleansing.’ Flemish, many of them openly resentful of subsidizing poorer French-speaking compatriots, who for years lorded it over them economically and otherwise (unemployment today is three times higher in rust-belt Wallonia), say the issue is preserving national heritage."

Let’s briefly recall that historic speech former Colorado Governor, Richard Lamm gave to a DC group of immigration reform writers in October, 2003 entitled "How to destroy America". The following is a part of my account of that speech (which I heard in person) as written up by Frosty Wooldridge:

“Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

" ‘Here is how they do it’" Lamm said:

" ‘Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

" ‘The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: “The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.” Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.’

“Lamm went on:

" ‘Invent “multi-culturalism” and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

" ‘We could make the United States an “Hispanic Quebec” without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: “The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated, however ethnocentrically, what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

“Lamm said, ‘I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.’”

Belgium, Quebec, and the late Yugoslavia, are in that position because of history. America wasn’t—until the Immigration Act of 1965).

We must not let it happen here.

Donald A. Collins [email him], is a freelance writer living in Washington DC and a board member of FAIR, the Federation for American Immigration Reform. His views are his own.


The
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/12/08 09:16 PM

Who'll protect US against invasion?

This piece is one of the best synopsis I've seen,.......the writer just relaxed and comfortable with good sense.

Looking foward to reading her book , "The Tyrany of Judges, and how to stop it"

she sure nails the border plumb center,......

Link: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28000

Who Will Protect Us Against Invasion?

President George W. Bush, in China attending the Olympic Games, responded promptly to Russia's invasion of Georgia with the caveat that "territorial integrity must be respected." We're still waiting to hear the Bush administration's response to this month's invasion of Arizona's territorial integrity by the Mexican military.

More than 40 times this year, the Mexican military has crossed the U.S.-Mexico border. The Mexicans even held a U.S. border guard at gunpoint.

How long are we going to put up with Mexican impudence and federal neglect of duty? One of the most emphatic duties set forth in the U.S. Constitution is that the federal government "shall protect each of them (every State) against invasion."


Some pretend there is a "misunderstanding" about exactly where the border is. But border guards say there is a barbed-wire fence at the point where the Mexican military entered the United States.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., immediately pointed out that if the Bush administration had built the double fence Congress had ordered, the Mexican vehicles would not have been able to invade U.S. territory. The open-borders crowd claims that a fence is useless because people can easily climb it, but a Mexican army truck can't do that.

Nor can Mexican vans loaded with illegal drugs climb a fence. All the talk we hear about our "war on drugs" is totally hypocritical so long as no fence is built to keep out the drug-laden trucks.

It's not just Mexican military vehicles that are invading our space. Again this month we read about an SUV packed with illegal immigrants that evaded detection by our Border Patrol and then rolled over on a highway southeast of Phoenix, killing nine people and injuring the other 10 on board.

They were crammed into two bucket seats in front and three seats in the back of a speeding Chevrolet Suburban. A border patrol spokesman commented, "The smuggler doesn't care if their cargo lives or dies" because he's already been paid.

But we care about the law, about highway safety, and about the cost. Ten people with critical injuries, who had no right to be here, are now being treated in Arizona hospitals at U.S. taxpayer expense.

These latest Mexican invasions come on the heels of further depressing news about the mistreatment of border guards Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.

When federal prosecutor Johnny Sutton embarked on his national public relations campaign to defend his prosecution of these border guards for allegedly shooting a professional drug smuggler in the rear end, Sutton's most impassioned argument was that Ramos and Compean obstructed justice by failing to report the incident. But on appeal the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeal overturned that part of Ramos and Compean's conviction, even though the court upheld the jury verdict and the 11- and 12-year prison sentences.

It's time to question not only President Bush but also the presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Will you pardon these two border guards who most Americans and 75 members of Congress believe are the targets of unfair prosecution under a law never intended to be used against border guards, an unfair trial in which the Bush-appointed judge withheld from the jury damaging information about drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who was the key witness against the defendants, unfairly long sentences (years longer than the same judge gave the professional drug smuggler whom Ramos and Compean intercepted), and unfair prison treatment in which they were beaten by illegal-immigrant prisoners?

In another recent flouting of the law, the Bush administration quietly posted a notice late on Aug. 4 that it is extending from one to two years its plan to allow Mexican trucks to enter the United States and have free access to our highways and roads. Only the week before, the House of Representatives Transportation Committee voted to terminate the program.

There are few issues on which Congress has demonstrated its will so emphatically with a bipartisan vote as the matter of Mexican trucks on our roads. Both houses of Congress have voted overwhelmingly against the invasion by Mexican trucks which do not meet U.S. safety standards, driven by Mexican drivers who do not meet U.S. safety and language standards.

On May 15, 2007, the House of Representatives voted 411-3 against the entry of Mexican trucks, followed by a second voice vote on July 24. The Senate voted likewise, 75-23, Sept. 11, and this law was signed by President Bush on December 26, 2007.

When will the Bush administration stand up for the territorial integrity of the United States against foreign military vehicles, vans with illegal immigrants, truckloads of illegal drugs driven by professional drug dealers, and unsafe trucks and drivers that don't meet U.S. standards?



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Mrs. Schlafly is the author of the new book The Supremacists: The Tyranny of Judges and How to Stop It (Spence Publishing Co).
Posted by: Ruger 4570

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/12/08 09:54 PM

Not likely to happen with Bush, McCain or Obama. Just face the reality, they know something WE don't. It is for our own good.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/13/08 07:10 AM

Having lived in S.E. Cochise County for well over 10 years now,.....I've gotten a mite shy of investigating big buzzard gatherings. Some of these remains lay out there for years, literally. Lord only knows how many are scattered by Coyote and Bear. That's a cheery thought,.......a population of Black Bear becomes accustomed to feeding on Human remains ?

Remains of third person found
Man also believed to be an illegal immigrant
By Julie Ann Marra
Herald/Review

Published on Wednesday, August 13, 2008

SIERRA VISTA — For the third time in four days, the corpse of a suspected illegal immigrant has been found in Cochise County.

The Cochise County Sheriff’s Office was told of a man’s body being found near South Coronado Memorial Road at about 12:30 a.m. Tuesday.
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The U.S. Border Patrol said it had units in the area when the body was located, which was 4 1/2 miles from Highway 92, approximately 4,000 feet north of the border, said Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Carol Capas.

The man was wearing blue jeans, white tennis shoes and a blue shirt. Capas said an age could not be determined because of the advanced state of decomposition. The man had no identification on him, and there were no signs of foul play.

Cochise County Search and Rescue responded to the area after daylight to transport the body safely to the Cochise County Medical Examiner’s Officer for an autopsy to determine the date and cause of death.

Oscar de la Torre, the Mexican consul in Douglas, said his office is cooperating with Cochise County authorities to establish the identities of the dead people.

“We don’t know yet who they are, or what their names are, or anything like that, but we are working to find out,” he said Tuesday.

The Mexican Consulate will assist in the identification process and notify any next of kin, if possible.

Two bodies were found over the weekend in different rural areas, and both also were taken to the Cochise County Medical Examiner’s Office.

Foul play is not suspected in either case, according to the Sheriff’s Office.

At around 8 p.m. Saturday, the Sheriff’s Office was advised that U.S. Border Patrol agents had found the remains of a human in the hills east of the Gold Gulch area between Bisbee and Douglas.

The person had been dead for some time, and authorities believed it was a woman.

Two Border Patrol agents had been tracking a group of illegal immigrants when they came upon the body in a remote area north of a road.

At approximately 1:30 p.m. Sunday, the Sheriff’s Office was told of a dead body found by two hikers at mile post 3.9 on High Lonesome Road near Bisbee.

The body was in the beginning stages of decomposition, and deputies determined it was a man.

The remains of at least four illegal immigrants have been found in Cochise County this summer.

HERALD/REVIEW reporter Julie Ann Marra can be reached at 515-4680 or by e-mail at julieann.marra@svherald.com. Herald/Review reporter Jonathon Shacat contributed to this report.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/13/08 07:49 AM

L.A. County,.....HEY, what's goin on here?

.............this almost makes sense,

GTC


Link: http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/News/...TY&pageId=3.2.1

Program to Find Illegal Immigrants in Jails Approved

Last Edited: Tuesday, 12 Aug 2008, 8:01 PM PDT
Created: Tuesday, 12 Aug 2008, 8:01 PM PDT

A program intended to root out illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County jails will start specifically targeting gang members, following a vote by the Board of Supervisors.


Los Angeles -- A program intended to root out illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County jails will start specifically targeting gang members, following a vote Tuesday by the Board of Supervisors.

On a motion by Supervisor Michael Antonovich, the board voted to direct Sheriff Lee Baca to modify his department's agreement with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to ensure that known gang members receive priority for interviews that would determine their immigration status before their release from jail.

"Every known gang member who is on the list for an interview should be interviewed prior to release back into our communities," Antonovich said.

Inmates are already subject to an immigration interview if they are self declared to be foreign born, have been convicted and will serve out their sentence in a county jail as opposed to a state prison, said Anna Pembedjian, justice deputy for Antonovich.

Of those inmates, known gang members will now be at the front of the line for interviews, she said.

The move follows public outcry after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Jamiel Shaw Jr., allegedly by a reputed gang member, whom authorities believe was in the country illegally.

The shooting occurred the day after the suspect was released from a county jail.

Shaw's parents were among the dozens of members of the public who requested to speak on the subject before the board voted in what quickly became the most heated and drawn-out portion of the meeting.

"We tell our kids that nationality and colors don't make a difference, but when you have the illegal alien gangbanger come in and killing his brother, or doing all kinds of harm to American citizens, it brings back up the color issue," Anita Shaw, Jamiel's mother, told the board. "Something has to be done."

Other members of the public spoke out against the immigration interviews, saying that they resulted in law enforcement officials targeting and deporting illegal immigrants who had committed only minor offenses.

Roughly 4,000 gang members are currently in county jails, according to Baca.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/13/08 08:02 AM

Four points to the opposing team,....ouch,

Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aGXnysnhBFqY&refer=latin_america

Four Mexican Police Chiefs Are Assassinated, Milenio Reports

By Hugh Collins

Aug. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Four police chiefs were assassinated in Mexico yesterday, bringing the number of police killed this year to 270, Milenio reported.

Top police officials were slain in the state of Mexico, north of Mexico City; Chihuahua, near the U.S. border; Quintana Roo in the south of the country; and Michoacan, on the Pacific coast, the Mexico City-based daily reported, without saying where it got the information.

An additional 15 people were killed in the states of Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Mexico, the newspaper said.

Mexico's top police officers are being targeted and killed as drug traffickers retaliate for arrests and record seizures stemming from President Felipe Calderon's crackdown on narcotics gangs.

To contact the reporter on this story: Hugh Collins in Mexico City at Hcollins8@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: August 12, 2008 10:24 EDT
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/13/08 05:23 PM

Buckets of blood,....running down gutters,

we worry about problems on the other side of the globe.

sure looks to be getting rough down there,.....hell, it's pretty rough here.

GTC

Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/12...rganized-crime/

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El Universal (Mexico City) 8/12/08



- An officer of the Federal Police attending the Higher Academy of Public Security in San Luis Potosí was murdered while enroute to the city of Querétaro with two other students. Their vehicle was riddled by gunfire and the two other officers have disappeared. His is the fifth murder of officers attending the academy. Four others were abducted earlier this month and their bodies found along the same San Luis - Querétaro highway.



These murders are causing fear at the academy and the staff is calling for measures to increase security. Active Officers who attend the academy for advanced training are petitioning the director for authorization to carry weapons, since present regulations do not allow it. The officers who were murdered were not armed. The agents fear that “the enemy is within.”



- The subdirector of police in Tepalcaltepec, Michoacan was murdered by an armed group last night. This makes the third ranking police officer assassinated in the state this month.



- In Aguascalientes, two men were gunned down this morning near a police station. They have not yet been identified.



- In Monterrey, Nuevo León business owners are asking support from the federal government to halt the insecurity in the state. Fear of reprisal and lack of official action is given for citizens’ failure to to participate in reporting criminal activities.



- Twenty people were murdered in the state of Chihuahua in the past two days. The murders were in different parts of the state and there appears to be no connection in the rash of criminal events.



- In its editorial, “Exasperated with the impunity,” El Universal observes in part, “Yesterday the National Commission of Human Rights called for the construction of a national front against organized crime, worried because 99% of crimes continue with impunity, the distrust of police authorities is reflected in the reporting of only 10% of crimes, the procedures are inefficient and the penitentiary system is ineffective because of corruption.”



“The worst is that chiefs and agents of the forces responsible for public security are involved in crime and that some of the heads of criminal groups direct operations from jail by way of cell phones or instructions transmitted through their defense lawyers. The mess becomes more tangled every day.”



The editorial goes on to call for reforms in enforcement by following the examples already established in other countries. It concludes, “The political will is indeed lacking at all levels of authority to set aside their acrimonious quarreling and attend to what ought to matter most to us at this time. It’s a huge task for the authorities and the people and all the (political) parties in the 32 states of the Republic. Enough of wanting to benefit from the mistakes of others. We are going to win — or lose — this war, all Mexicans together. Let’s count on winning it, correctly and quickly. “

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El Debate (Sinaloa) 8/12/08



The unexplained temporary withdrawal of federal troops from four key inspection areas of Guamúchil, Sinaloa has arroused suspicion. The federal forces had been assigned to the areas with orders not to abandon them. Then according to an anonymous

source, at 10pm last Saturday evening they received orders to leave and no reason was given. They were ordered back to their posts at 3am Sunday morning. No one seems to know why the five-hour gap in surveillance was given.

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Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/13/08 07:53 PM

The key words were "if they are self declared to be foreign born".
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/13/08 08:06 PM

I'm not real sure why this is such a "Key" word, Issue.

If the SOB is covered with rude tatoos from hairline to toes,....that repeat the # 13,....and he only speaks broken English between hawkings and spittings in one's face,....I'd say that "Benefit of the Doubt" quals. had been well met.

....yeah , yeah, I know ....deport......Lawyers, rights , blah blah ad infinitum.....

I'd jus' soon hang the POS.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/13/08 08:15 PM

Well, as anticipated, ....and forecast ( By the Maricopa Sherrif)
......He's off on anoither tear.

Chuckle, and a prayer for all of 'em.

Link: http://www.abc15.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=7223ea9a-69d2-48b0-936e-26d2ef00f0b3

100 deputies, volunteers conduct West Valley crime sweep
Reported by: Katrina Wessman
Email: kwessman@abc15.com
Last Update: 6:44 pm

Click the play button on the video window to the right to see the story

As many as 100 Maricopa County Sheriff deputies and other volunteers were in the West Valley on Wednesday in an effort to catch human smugglers and undocumented immigrants.

Authorities said the deputies and volunteers were patrolling and arresting anyone violating the law, including immigration laws in the area of Dysart and Bell roads in Surprise.

Sheriff Arpaio’s enforcement efforts against human traffickers and their co conspirators has netted 1051 arrests since March 2006, according to a news release.

The human smuggling laws have created controversy, but the Arizona Court of Appeals upheld the legality of arresting both the smugglers and undocumented immigrants for the second time this year.

After Governor Napolitano took away $1.2 million designated to the Sheriff by the Arizona state legislator for the enforcement of the human smuggling laws, private citizens have come forward to offer support.

Over $36,000 has been donated to the Sheriff’s office, some of which was scheduled to be used in Wednesday's operation.

"I am proud to be doing the will of the majority of citizens in this county," Arpaio said. "I assure everyone that my deputies and posse handle these operations respectfully and professionally. And the unsubstantiated allegations repeatedly made by a select few elected officials and open border activists will not deter us from enforcing the law.”
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 09:19 AM

Big Bucks flushed,Murders continue,

.....WOW, check out the bar graph at the bottom !

GTC

Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/13...y-9-of-the-gdp/

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El Diario (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 8/13/08

- Corruption by public servants represents an annual cost of 60 billion dollars to Mexico, an amount four time larger than the income from petroleum exports, and 9% of the GDP, according to World Bank figures. A Mexican congressman, Hugo Martinez, said that acts of corruption at the federal, state and local levels, as well as concessions and services by private parties, increased from 115 to 197 million, according to the National Corruption & Good Gov’t. index. “Corruption engenders loss of credibility for the State, government and public administration, it inhibits citizens’ participation in public affairs, induces illegality and inadequate assignment of funds as well as their appropriation by political and economic groups, with high costs to society.”
- Pedro Aragones, director of investigative services of the state of Chihuahua’s AG’s office, was shot to death and his “ministerial police” escort gravely wounded in a car-to-car gunfire assault in the state’s capital city, Chihuahua.
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Excelsior (Mexico City) 8/13/08

(First paragraph of an op column by Armando Roman)

“End of the social compact”
The State has collapsed: Mexico is a jungle. The warnings, the claims, the demands, in the media, on the street, were many. Nevertheless, our “authorities” did not listen to the millions of Mexicans who shouted to them to be careful and not to allow us to arrive where we have. The same is true for those many other Mexicans who lack a civic conscience, who could care less about their fellow man and who, in the context of the institutional orphan status which characterizes us, choose to rob, kidnap, rape, murder and a very long etcetera! The lack of legality and conscience of those who opt for crime has resulted in that the Mexican social compact - which in itself had never been complete - may now have become totally dissolved.
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a.m. (Leon, Guanajuato) 8/13/08

Juan Lopez, Social and Human Development Secretary, spoke before a local congress in Guanajuato and said that in that state there are 769,000 persons in “extreme poverty”, living in 149,000 dwellings. Of that number, 215 thousand live in “nutritional poverty” - not being able to pay for their food - because they earn 500 pesos or less per month. Guanajuato is also among Mexico’s leaders in suicides, lack of access to health and “expulsion” (read: source of migrants) of workers. (Note: Guanajuato, with close to 5 million inhabitants, is slightly smaller than Maryland)
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Cuarto Poder (Tuxtla, Chiapas) , La Cronica de Hoy (Mexico City) 8/13/08

The president (read: Chief Justice) of Mexico’s Supreme Court, Guillermo Ortiz, urged all sectors of government to act against insecurity and said that society’s indignation is justified because its integrity is threatened. He called for more technical and professional expertise in crime case investigations and for “adequate, complete, sensible and useful laws, with precise and severe punishment against crime. He added that the legislature must create laws which determine “unavoidable procedures” so that judges may legitimately impose punishment and sanctions.
Summed up : for the legislature: clear, useful and powerful laws. For the executive: professional investigations, as well as crime prevention and prosecution of criminals. For the judicial: just, impartial and objective sentences.
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Noroeste (Culiacan, Sinaloa) 8/13/08

Sinaloa State AG’s office data show that of an average 2,022 crimes officially reported, only 331 cases result in sentences for the perpetrators. That 16% rises to 96% when cases not officially reported are taken into account. All this due to lack of resources, lack of training and personnel background clearances.
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Norte (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 8/13/08

Of the approximately 760 homicides which have occurred so far this year only nine cases have been referred to criminal courts.
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Diario Xalapa (Xalapa, Veracruz; part of large “o.e.m.” paper group) 8/13/08

During the current year organized crime has assassinated 62 Mexican federal agents including high ranking personnel, an average of 7.7 a month. In the majority of cases the victims were ambushed or forcibly abducted by strongly armed “commandos.”
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El Debate (Culiacan, Sinaloa) 8/13/08

(the following report makes the number in the previous item already obsolete)
Two federal “preventive police” officers were murdered before dawn today (Wed.) in the Mazatlan, Sinaloa, area. Thugs armed with assault rifles fired on them as the two agents arrived at a locale.
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El Diario de Coahuila (Saltillo, Coah.) 8/13/08

- A newspaper archive search from 2002 to date by “El Universal” reveals that active duty or ex-police officers were involved in half of the kidnapping cases reported. The cases involve federal, state and local police agents.
- The Public Security Secretary of the state of Sinaloa, Josefina Garcia, admitted the failure by all three levels of government regarding the Culiacan-Navolato Joint Operation, given that homicides (637 to date), auto theft and commercial establishment robberies “do not cease.”
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El Informador (Guadalajara, Jalisco) 8/13/08

An average of one hundred prison inmates escape Mexican jails yearly, which reveals the inefficiency and corruption of prison officials, as well as the “self-government” by the inmates. 496 prisoners fled from 2003 to 2007, a figure which could reach higher if it is contrasted with press reports of each event. During the same period there were 207 homicides within the jails as well as 157 suicides.
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El Porvenir (Monterrey, Nuevo Leon) 8/13/08

Besides impunity, the lack of economic growth and of generation of employment are the causes of crime due to the “desperation” by people in not being able to find jobs. This, according to Armando Paredes, president of Mexico’s Enterprisal Coordinating Council, who added that those persons represent an easy target for narcotraffickers. Nevertheless, the main problem is impunity, since only one out of one hundred crimes is punished.
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El Universal (Mexico City) 8/13/08

- “SIEDO” , a sub-agency of Mexico’s Dep’t. of Justice (a unit specializing in the investigations about organized crime) has been found to have been infiltrated by the Beltran-Leyva brothers’ drug cartel. Two “high level” officials, one a coordinator of technical services, and the other a police personnel coordinator, plus a federal agent have been detained. (This figure was updated by another paper that said that six “SIEDO” personnel are now in preliminary detention.)
- There were thirteen homicides in Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, in the last 24 hours; one of them was a police officer. These deaths bring up to 33 the number of victims in Juarez in the last 72 hours.
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Ensenada (Ensenada, Baja Calif.) 8/13/08

About a dozen men managed to escape when Mex. naval personnel saw them unloading a launch at a dock in El Sauzal (quite close to Ensenada, B.C.) The load: 106 packages of weed weighing 1,522 kilos.
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(The attachment is a bar graph showing the amounts, in billions of dollars, of individual monetary remittances sent by Mexicans abroad back into Mexico.)
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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 09:23 AM

TSA is just SO inspirational and exemplary in it's exactitude and precision,.......NOT !

oh well, ....they "Supported" this op.

Link: http://www.loudountimes.com/news/2008/aug/13/Arrests/

ICE arrests 42 workers at Dulles International Airport
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By Gregg MacDonald
Source: Loudoun Times-Mirror
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13 2008
UPDATED WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13 2008

On Wednesday, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 42 men believed to be illegally present in the country at Dulles International Airport as part of a critical infrastructure protection operation.

ICE agents, with support of airport security agencies, arrested the illegal aliens just inside the airport grounds at a checkpoint established to verify the identity and immigration status of workers entering a service gate.

During a similar operation in June 2006, 55 illegal aliens working on airport construction were arrested.

“It is crucial to ICE’s homeland security mission to know who enters sensitive areas like airports, military bases and power plants to ensure the integrity of these key assets,” said Mark X. McGraw, special agent in charge of ICE’s Office of Investigations, Washington field office. “This operation illustrates ICE’s ongoing efforts in partnership with federal and local agencies to secure the critical infrastructure within the National Capital Region.”

ICE agents interviewed more than 200 individuals to verify their identities, immigration status and eligibility for lawful employment in the U.S. Most of the individuals encountered worked on construction projects at the airport.

Those detained are being interviewed, fingerprinted, photographed and entered into Department of Homeland Security databases at a local ICE office. Relatives and friends wishing to check on the custody status and detention location of those detained may call 866-341-3858, ICE’s toll-free, 24-hour hotline.

According to ICE officials, interviews can often generate critical law enforcement information that may lead to future investigations. There is no indication that any of the aliens were involved in any terrorist activity.

ICE agents prioritize enforcement efforts by focusing on the sites related to critical infrastructure and national security. The goal of such operations is to reduce the vulnerabilities at these facilities and other key assets to prevent potential attacks, according to ICE.

Unauthorized workers employed at sensitive facilities like airports, nuclear power plants, chemical plants, military bases, defense facilities and seaports, may compromise the integrity of these key assets, the agency says. In fiscal 2008, ICE agents have made more than 700 administrative arrests and 100 criminal arrests at critical infrastructure facilities.

The Transportation Security Administration and the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority supported the operation.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 09:29 AM

And most of our leaders just seem to keep fiddling.
Posted by: Enrique

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 11:35 AM

It is amazing to see all the murders, all the drugs and all the corruption.
People want cheap labor, people want cheap products (houses, Produce, other goods). We have people here that are too proud to work for minimum wage. We have companies that want to save money so they hire illegals and make a bigger profit.

While we are here complaining about border issues and making ends meet. The people in DC are getting rich off: Oil, insurance companies, and any other type of businesses that can afford to payoff someone to help their cause.
The problem solving begins in DC.
We need to hold companies that hire illegals more accountable.
We need to secure our border better.
We need more anti drug programs so the demand for illegal drugs can go down. Stiffer penalties for drug crimes.
Prosecute any drug load not just loads over 500 pounds.
We need more sherrifs like Joe Arpio. Better yet Our Fed Gov't needs to be like Joe Arpio.
We need to get more people educated.
We need to end welfare for people that can work and stop paying these people to have more babies.

Our biggest threat is not illegal aliens or mexico. Its our own Government we elect to protect us.
How much money do you think Our President is making off oil, the war in Iraq and helping friends? How much Money do you think John Edwards made as a lawyer against insurance and doctors?
How many other government faces are getting rich off, oil companies, insurance companies, companies that hire illegal aliens?
BTW how many are making money off the corporations that have not paid their taxes for years? What would happen to us for not paying taxes?

We can all blame everyone else, but the fact is, we allowed this to happen. I see people complain about Mexicans having to hold their gov't accountable to help stop illegal immigration. Why aren't we holding our Gov't accountable to stop illegal immigration, the rise in fuel cost and rise in health care cost? Exactly!

I don't know about you guys, but I always used to vote republican straight thru. This year I am voting against every single incumbent I can, whether it is Dummycrat or Republican. We need change and change is getting rid of all the trash we currently have in office.
McCain gets my vote for POTUS not because he is the best, but because he is on the republican ticket and I think after it is all said and done he is better than Osama Obama.
Plus no matter what happens our next president is gonna have to grant amnesty. I hate the thought of it, but there is no other way. I see everything happening at work, I am on the front line. I see the havoc illegals are causing on our hospitals, our desert our job rate.
At least when they are legal, they won't get free health care. I am legal and I sure as hell don't get it. If I was illegal it would be no issue.
Illegals that become legal will demand more pay and will have to pay taxes. They won't get the pay, they'll hate taxes so they will go home.
Other illegals will get turned off like they are now about not being able to get jobs so they will stop coming over and littering our desert.
Add More Agents to the Border and stiffer penalties for coming over and that will help a ton too.

I love this Country. I would die for this Country. However it is said how the liberals, big business and the blind eye in DC have let it get so bad. But you know as bad as it is and as much as I complain. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I bleed Red, White and blue and I sure as hell not gonna let our corrupt system take that away.

I am sure others will hate what I have written, maybe I am wrong. But what have us as American done to fix the issue? Where have we drawn the line?
Have we seen the damage too late to prevent Amnesty, to prevent a depression?
I guess only time will tell.

Kique
Posted by: Plinker

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 01:57 PM

 Originally Posted By: Enrique
We have people here that are too proud to work for minimum wage.


No. Not only 'no' but HELL NO! Those minimum wage jobs are for American teens, unskilled Americans and those on parole. Do you have any damn idea how hard it is for teenagers to find friggin' jobs? I have two teens that would love a minimum wage job in a burger joint. Two twenty year olds, too. Those kind of jobs are gateway jobs for any young person's career. Unloading trucks, painting, yard work, the whole 9 yards. Do you have teenagers?

Deport every illegal and we could end unemployment in America instantly.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 02:27 PM

Enrique, it's frustrating, isn't it?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 02:37 PM

When illegals kill,.....

Jeez, one would have to say that that's frustrating, no?


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72301




When illegals kill

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Posted: August 14, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008

"Where you from?"

An illegal alien from Mexico, Pedro Espinoza, allegedly asked that of Jamiel Shaw Jr., 17 – before Espinoza shot and killed him.

Shaw, a promising high-school student athlete wooed by Stanford and Rutgers, was gunned down at 8:40 p.m. just three doors from his Los Angeles home, where his father, Jamiel Shaw Sr., awaited his arrival from the mall. Shaw's mother, Anita, learned the news of her son's March 2 shooting death while serving as an Army sergeant in Iraq.

Edwin Ramos, an illegal alien from El Salvador, on June 22 allegedly gunned down and killed Tony Bologna and his sons Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16. The Bologna family, coming back from a barbecue in their SUV, apparently blocked Ramos' car in a San Francisco intersection. According to reports, after the Bologna vehicle backed up and let the Ramos car pass by, Ramos allegedly opened fire on the family.

The common factor in these killings, as with so many others: The alleged killers came to the country illegally. Federal officials estimate that 40,000 of the 170,000 inmates held in Los Angeles County jails each year are illegal immigrants. And in the cases of Espinoza and Ramos, the police had previously arrested each and – for reasons that remain unclear – the authorities either never referred the arrested alien to Immigration and Customs Enforcement for deportation, or ICE failed to institute deportation proceedings.


Before Shaw's murder, Espinoza had been arrested by Culver City police and served time in a Los Angeles County jail for assault with a deadly weapon. Jamiel Shaw was killed the day after Espinoza's release from jail.

Five years ago, 17-year-old Ramos was convicted and sent to a juvenile shelter for severely beating a suspected rival gang member. After serving a few months, Ramos was released to his mother for probation. Four days after that, he attempted to mug a pregnant woman. Ramos was convicted of attempted robbery and sent to a juvenile camp.

After Ramos turned 18, federal authorities learned of his illegal status when he applied – and was rejected – for legal residency. The illegal alien then married a U.S. citizen and applied for permanent residency – the case still pending when the Bolognas were killed.

Three months before the Bologna murders, Ramos was stopped in the notorious Tenderloin district, and his passenger tried to dispose of a handgun that had been used in a double murder the day before. Ramos was arrested on felony weapons charges, as well as membership in a criminal street gang. Three days after his arrest, Ramos was freed when city prosecutors declined to file charges against him. And ICE did not ask about Ramos' immigration status until after he was released.

Retired San Francisco Police Capt. Tim Hettrich says San Francisco Police Chief Heather Fong told him, "You are not to work with these (federal) people," and it was "common knowledge" in the department that "you were not to do anything with ICE or immigration and illegals, whether or not they committed a crime – even to arrest them – because there will be the perception we are harassing illegals."

I recently interviewed Brian DeMore, field office director for ICE detention and removal operations in Los Angeles. DeMore declined to speculate about why the alleged killer of the Bolognas, Ramos, remained on the streets. But he agreed that Shaw's killer, Pedro Espinoza, should have remained in custody and referred to ICE.

Elder: It seems to me what's supposed to happen is as follows: Someone gets arrested. There's an inquiry made by local law enforcement – police or county – about this person's immigration status. The immigration status is not clarified to the satisfaction of the local law enforcement. Therefore, this person should remain in jail until such time as the local law enforcement is satisfied that this person is – or is not – an illegal alien.
DeMore: Absolutely. … At that point, that local police department would call ICE, or we would make contact with them under Secure Communities because we would receive an electronic notification that they've got someone in custody. … We have an incredibly large task ahead of us. We could always use more individuals. But we are leveraging technology to overcome some of those shortfalls. … The interoperability – where our data will seamlessly integrate with the FBI's, and anyone who makes a query with biometric data or through fingerprints is going to be identified – will be revolutionary and groundbreaking. … We are claiming that within three and a half years, we will be able to interview, detain and remove 100 percent of the Level 1 violators (those convicted of major drug or violent offenses), with Levels 2 (minor drug or property offenses) and 3 (other offenses) falling into line shortly thereafter.

Small comfort to the families of Jamiel Shaw and Tony, Michael and Matthew Bologna.



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Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 02:44 PM

Pretty sickening. Glad we're being protected.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 08:00 PM

How on Earth are these Mexican "Law Enforcement" going to recruit anybody,....with this going on?

Link:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/...s.47dfb00b.html


Suspected drug groups gun down Mexican police commanders in training

08:57 PM CDT on Thursday, August 14, 2008
By LAURENCE ILIFF / The Dallas Morning News
liliff@dallasnews.com

MEXICO CITY — Suspected drug trafficking groups are killing Mexico’s future police commanders before they can even emerge from the much-touted academy that is supposed to transform them into world-class officers.

In the past two weeks, five officers-in-training have been gunned down while traveling to and from the Public Security Superior Academy in the central state of San Luis Potosí.

Analysts said the attacks were both a warning to the cadets and to the government, which is waging an unprecedented fight against drug cartels.

“These groups no longer have any fear that by attacking police there will be some type of retribution,” said Mexico City police instructor Arturo Yañez, a former federal police adviser. “Their only limit is their imagination.”

The attacks have sparked a partial strike by the nearly 1,000 academy students, who are demanding the right to carry guns and are calling for police roadblocks to intercept drug gunmen.

In an open letter to Public Security Minister Genaro García Luna, the cadet strike leaders complained that students have been left defenseless in the face of drug hit squads that operate in and around the state capital, also called San Luis Potosí.

“We are commissioned to San Luis Potosí to be trained, when in reality they put us at the disposition of organized crime,” according to the letter, which was also sent by cadets to journalists. “Five of our colleagues have been executed in a cowardly and criminal act, unable to defend themselves since our superiors force us to leave our weapons behind when we travel.”

The letter said the cadets are both first-time students training to be Federal Police and current officers from different law enforcement groups around the country. They are taking part in a one-year program designed to elevate the commander corps of Mexico’s often-criticized police forces.

The striking cadets removed their uniforms while skipping morning classes, both as an act of protest and so as not to be identified when they left the academy, they said.

Still, they complained that they were easily recognizable in the capital city “because of the haircut that is required.”

Mr. García Luna, the police minister, has said the academy is the core of his program to root out corruption and create a new class of police officer using best practices found in law enforcement throughout the world.

“What we want,” he said in a September 2007 interview with The Dallas Morning News, “is that in a year we would have a thousand police commanders who will go all over the country to start the entire new police model that we need.”

The ministry declined to comment on the student strike, but officials from Mexico City visited the facility Wednesday, promising security for the students, who attended classes normally today while waiting for their demands to be met. They include guns, roadblocks and a special investigator into the five killings.

Four of the officers were killed while returning to their hometown — Morelia, Mexico — to visit their families over the weekend. The fifth officer was intercepted in his car and killed while traveling back to the academy after a visit to his hometown in the central state of Mexico near Mexico City.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 08:28 PM

From La_La Land,.....Governator and Mr. Potato Head,

"Universal City",.....is that not better known as "Hollywierd?"

Link: http://news.ktar.com/?nid=45&sid=934669

Schwarzenegger says U.S.-Mexico border unites
August 14th, 2008 @ 7:29pm
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD
Associated Press Writer

UNIVERSAL CITY, Calif. (AP) - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday urged fellow governors on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border to cooperate on issues from water management to building a green economy.

The annual Border Governors Conference spotlights a region that stretches from the Pacific coast to the Gulf of Mexico that is rife with unyielding problems _ pollution, gun-running and drug violence _ and economic potential.

Illegal immigration has strained relations between the two countries, but Schwarzenegger called the 2,000-mile border "a line that unites us."

"There is no divide to the air that we all breathe, or the clean water that we all depend on," said Schwarzenegger, a Republican who chairs the group. "There is no divide between our common desire to make the border region an economic powerhouse."

The border states _ California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas in the U.S., and Sonora, Baja California, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas in Mexico _ plan to sign an agreement Friday to clean up huge discarded tire piles in the region. An agreement is also planned on climate change.

Competing interests at the border make solutions elusive. Officials are eager to promote bustling trade and tourism _ Mexico is California's biggest trading partner _ but drug trafficking and illegal immigration remain thorny issues.

Federal officials say nearly all illegal guns seized in Mexico are from the United States, and many of the weapons have been traced to smuggling points in Southern California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico. Near the bustling San Ysidro crossing, assailants in Tijuana throw rocks, bottles and bricks at agents in San Diego, hoping to distract them long enough to jump the fence. The Bush administration is racing to meet a congressional mandate that called for 670 miles of fencing to be in place along the U.S.-Mexico border by the end of the year.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the governors that the administration was looking for ways to speed cross-border travel, even as security is tightened in an age of terrorism. Chertoff also said the government wants to increase binational cooperation when floods or wildfires strike.

"We know that when storms or other natural disasters occur, they do not respect political boundaries," Chertoff said.
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 08:38 PM

Wow, talk about out of touch, or denial, take your pick.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 08:41 PM

Some "dark underbelly" Blog editorial comment,......typifying frustration levels, and reeking of strong desire for overall change in approach.

Link: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/08/heckuva_job_ice.html

Heckuva Job, ICE Princess & Abu Moskowitz: Alien Brags He's Been Deported 20-30 Times
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By Debbie Schlussel

If you got a zit in the same place 20-30 times, methinks you'd dump your dermatologist or, at the very least, try a new skin treatment.

But far more dangerous than porous skin is our porous borders. And it's simply a joke when a person, caught within our borders, brags that immigration officials know him and that he's been deported 20-30 times.

Believe you me, Jose Manuel Sanchez-Rojaz is not the only on who fits this description. Sadly, we've had the same incompetent witch doctors running Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) for some time now and the same failed regimen to treat the problem:

A police investigation in Cleves, Ohio led to a startling admission by an alleged illegal immigrant--that he has already been deported more than two dozen times.

Sanchez-Rojaz: Illegal Alien Deported 20-30 Times
Jose Manuel Sanchez-Rojaz, 33, was arrested early Tuesday morning by a Hamilton County Sheriff's deputy. Sanchez-Rojaz was wanted for questioning regarding stolen vehicle. Authorities say the vehicle was stolen around 4 a.m. in the 6300 block of State Route 128.
During the questioning, Sanchez-Rojaz allegedly gave the deputy a false name and birthday. He was charged with falsification and obstructing justice.

The deputy says Sanchez-Rojaz also told him he "had been deported multiple times by immigration." Authorities say he went on to elaborate that meant some "20-30 times."

Sanchez-Rojaz also allegedly told the deputy that immigration officials "know me very well."

Sanchez-Rojaz was taken to the Hamilton County Justice Center. Officials with Immigration and Customs Enforcement were also notified.

Sanchez-Rojaz is scheduled to appear in court on Tuesday.


Blame "The ICE Priness," ICE's incompetent chieftess Julie L. Myers.

Ohio is the domain of Michigan/Ohio ICE Special Agent in Charge Brian Moskowitz a/k/a "Abu Moskowitz". Blame him, too, for Sanchez-Rojaz being here, yet again. And blame him for a sheriff having to do Moskowitz's job in catching this guy.

But, hey, Abu Moskowitz is too busy to handle these kinds of things. Too busy hanging out with FBI award revokee, marriage fraud perpetrator, and "former" Islamic terrorist Imad Hamad, and too busy seeking out new extra-marital girlfriends.

Yup, too busy, while this guy comes in and out of the U.S. 20-30 times.

Heckuva Job!

Posted by Debbie at August 14, 2008 12:37 PM

Comments
Do you have any conception what it costs in man hours, paperwork, etc etc each time you deport this charmer? I've been told it COSTS AS MUCH AS I MAKE IN A YEAR but the figures would be interesting. Any one have the definite amount?

Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 14, 2008 02:00 PM


Let's hope next time he becomes a drowning victim having used the sea route.

Posted by: GOLDENMIKE4393 at August 14, 2008 03:59 PM

poetcomic1

I don't think there would be an accurate figure and if it was figured the figures would most likely be altered or layed out to change the perception, since every region within ICE/DRO is administered to that "FOD's" (Field Operations director) method. Some areas rent an enormous amount of DVD's for these criminals to watch on weekends, whereas others have the cojones to not bother with such nonsense. Also, all have agreements or even contracts with food service providers to cater meals (typically sandwiches, chips, and a drink) which vary by areas. But some buy expensive food, not the bare essentials. Those are just two examples of the mountain of expense the current method requires. Yes the whole concept is ridiculous, but nobody at ICE management has ever addressed it!

Posted by: freefromi
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 08:43 PM

 Originally Posted By: Barkoff
Wow, talk about out of touch, or denial, take your pick.


I'm not sure I could handle watching them carry on like this in live time,....or in person,......

Would probably puke all over the pwetty carpet.

GTC
Posted by: Enrique

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/14/08 10:41 PM

G5M,
Sickening beyond belief indeed!

Plinker,
I was a teenager not too long ago. I am only 26. But the point I am making is when you are without a job you do what you need to to survive even if that means a minimum wage job. But there are too many people that would rather not take that job because they are to proud. That is true no matter how we see it.
There are people that won't even work for 10 or 12 bucks an hour, because it is too hard.
Get rid of every single illegal around here and you WILL still have unemployment because whether you believe it or not, some people are plain lazy and you and I are supporting them with something the Gov't calls welfare.
Face it, you can pay someone 20 bucks an hour and they still won't go out and work those fields. Many will, but many won't.

Quote:
"Deport every illegal and we could end unemployment in America instantly. "
Sorry to say, but won't happen. Kinda funny too.
I guess we see different walks of life. Maybe what you are saying works for the people you come in contact with.
What I am writting is what I have seen/witnessed, heard, read and encountered.
I have seen people wanting to start as "CEO" so to speak rather than start at the bottom and work their way up.
I have sen people start at the bottom and become uppers.
I have reviewed apllications where people won't work for less than x amount when X amount is what the job is really worth.

I agree that burger joints are for teenagers, but when you have no choice, I'm sorry, some money is better than no money. If It was flipping burgers to feed my family or not feed them, flipping burgers wouldn't be so bad as a last resort.
But thats me and how I was raised, Humble not proud.


Crossfireoops is posting a lot of great information about the border issue. Some of the stuff I have seen and read before. All I can say is all that information is what you call a failed immigration policy. Until Someone in office gives a crap and someone can give them enough money will our immigration policy/border security be fixed.

Crossfire,
Great read and thanks for sharing what goes on near the border. Because of my job I can not share all that I have seen, but I will say this. My job has opened my eyes to how bad things are and how much gets covered up.
Great job Senor!!

Kique
Posted by: Plinker

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 06:41 AM

 Originally Posted By: Enrique


Plinker,
I was a teenager not too long ago. I am only 26. But the point I am making is when you are without a job you do what you need to to survive even if that means a minimum wage job. But there are too many people that would rather not take that job because they are to proud. That is true no matter how we see it.
There are people that won't even work for 10 or 12 bucks an hour, because it is too hard.

Kique


(Kique, Please do not take this as a personal attack. I'm attacking the argument, not you personally.)

I'm calling your hand. Show us your cards. PROVE that "there are too many people that would rather not take that job because they are to proud." Prove it, not just quote what some other illegal immigrant supporter says. You said it, now back it up.

Waiting patiently for your evidence,

Plinker
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:00 AM

"Great job Senor!!" quote Kique


Absolutely!
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:06 AM

Well,.....this oughta get lotsa' ink,....and interminable talking head MSM coverage.

they seem to have quite a few things to protest, maybe they need some "Table of contents / index signs "

wonder if they'll have the "Boobs not Bombs" gargoyles in attendance,.....or the nekkid bicyclists?

Link: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/war-rally-protest-2124292-church-organizations

Wednesday, August 13, 2008
Protesters gear up for Saddleback presidential forum
Authorities expect 800 to 1,500 demonstrators to line up along sidewalks surrounding church.
By ALEJANDRA MOLINA
The Orange County Register
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LAKE FOREST – From opponents of illegal immigration to anti-war activists, demonstrators are gearing up for the presidential candidates' first and only confirmed joint appearance before the party conventions this Saturday at Saddleback Church.

Signs and banners are being made, e-mails are being sent and rally organizers are tidying up last-minute details before the big event.

Authorities expect anywhere between 800 to 1,500 demonstrators to line up along sidewalks surrounding the church, said Lt. Don Barnes, chief of police services for Lake Forest.

Ian Thompson with A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition (Act Now To Stop War & End Racism), said his group is expecting many hundreds to protest the war in Iraq, among other issues.

"We will certainly have a good and vibrant demonstration and we don't plan on having any problems," Thompson said. "Iraq should be for the Iraqi people. We need more jobs and more money for education, healthcare not endless funds for the Pentagon budget which goes to fund war on innocent people abroad."

Its most significant rally this year was on March 15, when about 10,000 hit the streets of Los Angeles to protest the Iraq war. The group also recently participated in the May 1 immigrant rights rally in LA.

At least 15 different protests are expected outside the church, including one organized by a coalition of Minutemen organizations.

More than 100 anti-illegal immigration activists and Minutemen members will rally with specific demands: to free former Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean and to withhold federal funding to sanctuary cities.

"We would like the next president to make the commitment to examine the case, to pardon them because we feel their whole situation is a miscarriage of justice," said Deborah Craig with Campo Minutemen.

Ramos and Compean were convicted in 2006 and sentenced to 11 and 12 years in prison, respectively, for the February 2005 shooting of illegal immigrant and admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila on the Texas border near El Paso. Both men claimed they shot at Davila in self-defense.


Sheriff's officials have been in contact with organizations that plan to be at the event, Barnes said. Officials are also considering briefing protest organizers before the event to make sure no laws are broken while the organizations exercise their free-speech rights.

Groups maintain that they will voice their opinions without conflict, including Obama supporters who are also planning on being at Saddleback.

"We're expecting definitely a couple of hundred at least, and from all different areas of South Orange County," said Rancho Santa Margarita resident Karen Garber who will be with her fellow Obama supporters. "We're keeping it positive and respectful."




Contact the writer: amolina@ocregister.com or 949
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:18 AM

No Flames,......no particular comment on this,

other than it ties to very recent discussions on this ongoing thread.

I've worked on pipe laying barges, in the Gulf,.....tough racket.

This report has a ring of truth to it, sure certain.

Link: http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2008/db2008084_341769.htm

Immigration August 4, 2008, 12:01AM EST text size: TT
U.S. Oil, Imported Workers
Oil staffing and service companies are accused of illegally employing non-U.S. workers on rigs in the Gulf of Mexico—and displacing American workers
by Moira Herbst

To Daryl Johnson of Orange, Tex., work as a rigger on pipe-laying barges seemed like a pretty sure bet. The pay was good—$18.50 an hour—and with oil exploration booming, Johnson felt secure with Houston-based Horizon Offshore Contractors, which had hired him in 1999. But Johnson, speaking through his attorney, says he got concerned when managers told him there were no openings for friends whom he referred for jobs, even while Horizon continued to hire Mexican and Malaysian nationals. Then, in 2007, Johnson lost his job. "They gave me no explanation," says Johnson.

However, in Johnson's mind and in those of other oil workers in the Gulf, the connection to the cheaper foreign workers is clear. His allegations are part of a lawsuit moving forward in federal court in Texas, which claims that a group of U.S. energy services companies operating in U.S. waters on the Outer Continental Shelf in the Gulf of Mexico are using workers recruited from Malaysia, Mexico, the Philippines, and other countries to displace U.S. workers, at less than half of the pay. According to the lawsuit, the staffing is illegal because non-U.S. workers are working without proper visas aboard foreign-flagged vessels that are in fact controlled by American companies.

"Paid Pennies on the Dollar"
For years, immigration has been a tense topic, mostly centered around the estimated 12 million low-wage, undocumented workers and the ability of Silicon Valley companies to secure extra visas (BusinessWeek, 3/6/08) to import thousands of skilled technology workers. But now, as a recession looms and the Presidential election heats up (BusinessWeek.com, 7/28/08), attention is turning to another booming industry: oil services. It's not widely known, but both onshore and offshore in the Gulf of Mexico, non-U.S. workers can be found doing shipbuilding, pipe-fitting, welding, rigging, and related jobs. Some of them are here on temporary visas and some may be undocumented.

Johnson's suit, Cunningham, et al v. Offshore Specialty Fabricators, Inc. et al, was filed in U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Texas, Texarkana Div. in December 2004. On July 21 the judge issued a scheduling order that calls for both sides to begin discovery and depositions on Aug. 10.

The case is about working conditions for both U.S. and non-U.S. workers, says plaintiff's attorney Tony Buzbee of Buzbee Law Firm in Galveston, Tex. The foreign workers "were paid pennies on the dollar, worked grueling hours for days on end, and were essentially captives on the rigs because they were paid when repatriated," says Buzbee. "This suit seeks remedy for the American workers who were paid less due to wage market suppression or who lost their jobs due to being replaced."

The oil services and staffing companies named as defendants in the suit declined to comment.

Incentive to Cut Labor Costs
It might seem like there is plenty of money to go around for the companies that explore for and produce oil. Crude-oil futures prices, after all, have jumped by 64% over the past year, to $125 a barrel. The largest untapped fields are to be found on the ocean floor, which is in part why spending on offshore drilling worldwide rose from $29.4 billion in 2000 to $61.8 billion in 2007 and will reach at least $77 billion by 2010, according to Spears & Associates, a Tulsa energy consulting firm.

However, with high demand has come a growing shortage of specialized drilling rigs. That has driven the drilling costs for some of the newest deepwater rigs in the Gulf of Mexico—the U.S.'s top source of domestic oil and natural gas supplies—to about $600,000 a day, compared with $150,000 a day in 2002. Experts say rising costs for vessels create a big incentive for companies to cut their labor costs.

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"The way to make a lot of money in energy is to keep labor costs down," say Katharine Donato, professor of sociology at Vanderbilt University, who has published research on immigration to the Gulf of Mexico. "Companies have access to international labor pools through a variety of avenues. They just have to figure out a way to pay [the workers]."

Recruiting in Malaysia
In a 2005 deposition, James Ireland, vice-president of the staffing firm Oceanwide Houston, a subsidiary of Netherlands-based Humares named in the suit, explained how his company met the challenge. He said Oceanwide took to "outsourcing to the offshore." He described the process of meeting with a client such as Stolt Offshore and discussing its employment needs, and then contacting another Humares subsidiary to fill the order. "We would send an e-mail or a fax to Cyprus (where OWI, another subsidiary of Humares, is located) saying we have an order for eight riggers," he said. "Sometimes you're more specific, maybe they want Malaysians or maybe they want Mexicans or whatever the nationality may be, please source and advise."

Ireland said a contractor such as OWI would recruit workers from communities such as the Iban tribe in the jungles of Malaysia. The recruited workers were taken to the U.S. embassy in their home countries, where they told the embassy that they would work on foreign-flagged vessels. That would place them outside the requirements of U.S. labor and immigration laws. The staffing firm then flew the workers to Houston or another Gulf-area location, Ireland said, where it informed customs that the workers were going to work for foreign vessels offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. After clearing customs, they would then be picked up by a shipping agent, taken to a shore-based helicopter base, and then to vessels offshore.

Ultimately, the lawsuit alleges, the workers perform projects for U.S. energy firms such as Houston-based J. Ray McDermott Inc., Houston-based Offshore Specialty Fabricators, Cal Dive International (DVR), Carlyss ( La.)-based Global Industries (GLBL), and Stolt Offshore, now Acergy (ACGY). Allegedly, the vessels are misleadingly marked with the flags of the Netherlands and Cyprus, meaning the crew is under the jurisdiction of those countries, even though they are performing work for U.S. companies.

150 Days on Vessels
Ireland's office at Oceanwide Houston declined requests for comment. Spokespeople for Humares and its subsidiaries declined to comment on the issues raised in the suit. A spokeswoman for C-Mar Group, another staffing company named in the suit, also declined to comment.

Once aboard the vessels, the workers are paid 20%-40% of what a U.S. worker such as Johnson would earn, says the plaintiff's attorney. For example, Jenggi Kaloum, an Iban worker for Stolt Offshore referenced in the 2005 Ireland deposition, was paid $40 per 12-hour day, while an American worker would make $200 or more per day for the same work. Kaloum could not be reached for comment. Once offshore, the workers can remain on vessels for 150 days in a row, earning no overtime, says Buzbee. He says the workers are paid only when they return to their home countries with money routed by the staffing firm.

Spokespersons for Offshore Specialty Fabricators, Offshore Express, J. Ray McDermott, Global Industries, and Acergy declined to comment on the lawsuit or on their hiring practices for Gulf of Mexico projects. A representative for Cal Dive did not return calls requesting comment. Buzbee says he believes defense attorneys will argue that the U.S. service companies did not know that the vessels were flying foreign flags. The case is expected to be heard in 2009.

With Brian Grow and Steve LeVine.

Herbst is a reporter for BusinessWeek.com in New York.






Posted by: 378Canuck

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:28 AM

I'm also in the oil business and I've found that after 30+ years in the business, I've learned and I can tell you without reserve that "if you pay peanuts you get monkeys".

Many oil companies have to learn the hard way, because they are run by school kids and bean counters but it will be a learning curve for them also. If you want good people out there working for you, be ready to pay that extra money because in the end you save money, by avoiding wrecks and deaths.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:36 AM

J. Ray McDermott sure musta' changed a bunch,......I worked for them 40 years ago,....they were a pretty fair kinda' outfit.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:38 AM

No Chit,......BUCKETS of blood washing down the gutters in Old Mex. Towns.....

Link: http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_10204888

Gunmen kill eight in massacre at Juárez drug treatment center
By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 08/14/2008 06:47:48 PM MDT


EL PASO - Eight men were killed and five others wounded when a group of gunmen fired a barrage of more than 60 rounds during a religious service in a drug treatment center in Juárez on Wednesday evening.
The mass killing was believed to be largest during the rash of more than 760 homicides in Juárez this year.

The men had gathered for a religious service at around 7:45 p.m. when a "commando" style group entered and began shooting inside the Centro de Rehabilitacion para Adictos CIAD No. 8 (Rehabilitation Center for Addicts) at 324 Avenida de los Aztecas, Chihuahua state investigators said.

Six men died inside the center, two died at or while en route to a hospital. Five men, including three in critical condition, were hospitalized.

Daniel Borunda may be reached at dborunda@elpasotimes.com; 546-6102.
Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:46 AM

I just saw that and was going to post the same thing....


Mass murder during a religious service in a rehab center..... special place in Hell
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:05 AM

2W,......the Devil, he's walkin' abroad in daylight,

sure certain.

GTC
Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:11 AM

Yep... I always liked this.... he hates to be mocked:

http://www.seark.net/~jlove/screwtape.htm
Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:15 AM

From The Screwtape Letters, New York: Touchstone, 1961. C.S. Lewis prefaces this work with two quotations:
The best way to drive out the devil, if he will not yield to texts of Scripture, is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn. -- Luther
AND
The devil...the prowde spirit...cannot endure to be mocked. -- Thomas More
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:51 AM

 Originally Posted By: 378Canuck
I'm also in the oil business and I've found that after 30+ years in the business, I've learned and I can tell you without reserve that "if you pay peanuts you get monkeys".

Many oil companies have to learn the hard way, because they are run by school kids and bean counters but it will be a learning curve for them also. If you want good people out there working for you, be ready to pay that extra money because in the end you save money, by avoiding wrecks and deaths.


From what I'm seeing more and more are willing to make do with the "monkeys" if it means higher profit. If they are all doing it, they all get the higher profit, and those in the construction buisness who opt for better workmanship can't even get contracts.

Just check out any new subdivision in CA and look at the shotty workmanship in the track homes going up, yet they keep on selling because shotty workmanship is about all there is to choose from.

If you don't own your own buisness where you can take advantage of the cheap labor, or you didn't get a college education, you are pretty much screwed, because it has become apparent that our government has absolutely no intentions of cutting off the cheap labor...none.

I think it's almost comical that with this sort of thing running rampant, people here still see unions as a big problem.
Posted by: Enrique

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 10:29 AM

Plinker,
No offense taken. A little taken over the illegal immigrant supporter comment, but oh well if thats how I sound, thats bad on my part.
I don't and never will support illegal immigration. Bottom line.

What I write is what I have witnessed not what someone else had said.
Being a manager of a store once, I would have lots of people come in and apply for jobs. They expected more money than the job was worth.
I talked to people about roofing jobs and mining jobs and other labor related jobs. Many were, well I am looking for an inside job and I can't see myself outside breaking my back.
You ask people around here. Illegal immigration has been a big topic. Many said they won't go out and work the fields.

My uncle is a proud idiot as far as I am concerned. He has two degrees and when he looks for a job he wants to start on top instead of working from the bottom up. If he don't start at the top he won't take it. To me you do what you have to to support your family even if its shoveling $hit in a corral.

Another example. I can go to every fast food joint here in the area, and I can bet and I know that 90 percent or better have help wanted signs. I sure don't see the teenagers taking those jobs. I don't see the enemployed taking those jobs.
I hit the Carl's jr drive thru on my way home last night. Seen a sign looking for cooks, cashiers, shift leads and managers. They said pay was 8 and change for the lower positions and the pay obviously went up for leads and management.
Why aren't those jobs being jumped on.

We have a $hitty unemployment rate not because illegals are taking the jobs.
Its because the enemployed either: don't want those jobs, don't want to work, or are too good and want more or better.
I don't know how you were raised, but I was always told to make do with whats out there until a better job comes along. A lot of people don't grasp that concept.

The illegals are doing what we let them do. We allow them to mooch off our medical system, we allow them to do our labor jobs, and we let the criminals run a muck.
Heck I bet if any of use seen or heard of a place that gave us free medical we'd be all over it.
I am sure the big businesses are making a killing off cheap labor, but at the same time, besides profits, what made them go find cheap labor. Maybe no one wanted those jobs? Maybe no one could pass a drug test or physical? Maybe having an illegal that had no union or legal rights would not sue or rat them out if they got hurt on the job?

I don't know. You want proof, read the above, look in the paper and see the gobs of jobs available, ask someone why they are unemployed.
I am sure many are not related to illegals taking there jobs.

It is a never ending cycle if you ask me. We send hundreds of people back every day and hundreds keep coming back.

You want the unemployment rate to go down. Have all states have laws like here in AZ where you have to be legal to work. Help some of these people that are unemployed get educated and find better jobs.
Get rid of welfare and force people to those minimum wage jobs that others are not taking.
Stop sending all our businesses over seas.
Correct the price of fuel so car Factories can start up again and hire Americans.
Thats how you stop unemployment, not sending millions of people back all over the world where they came from.
For those of you that drive Fords, Thank a Mexican. Ford has a Mostrous plant in Hermosillo Sonora. A few years ago they sunk another couple billion into it to make it more productive. You ask about unemployment, thank Ford for taking those jobs to mexico instead of leaving them here for Americans.

I may be young, but working contract with DHS has taught me and educated me on a ton of things.

I surely am not for illegals, I think they need to come over legally. But that is harder than it sounds. But no excusses they need to.
Get rid of cheap labor and people will complain how expensive produce is, how much more expensive houses are.

Bottom line, stop the handouts and get people off their behinds.

Kique
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 11:27 AM

"Bottom line, stop the handouts and get people off their behinds."


But you can't buy votes that way!
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:31 PM

"American Border Patrol
Report: Faulty design turned border fence into dam"

.....Like we expected them to get it right?

Knicker Knots sorta' issue,....IMHO

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/ABP/NEWS/2008-UP/080815-LUKEVILLE-FLOOD/LukevilleFlood080815.html

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:33 PM

Sue the Country of Mex. ?

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/ABP/NEWS/2008-UP/080815-LUKEVILLE-FLOOD/LukevilleFlood080815.html

Suspect backs into deputy, he'll be okay
August 15th, 2008 @ 7:30am
by Sandra Haros/KTAR

A Maricopa County sheriff's deputy suffered minor injuries when he pulled over a car carrying about 15 suspected illegal immigrants in the north Valley.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio said the stop was made Thursday afternoon near Interstate 17 and Table Mesa Road.

``They (the suspects) were fleeing into the desert. The driver backed into one of our deputies. We're looking into charging the driver with assault. As they fled, I think he hit another occupant of the car."

Arpaio said two women and two children were among the car's occupants.

He said the incident demonstrates the dangers deputies face.

``Whenever our deputies enforce the law, there's always a chance for some type of violence," the sheriff said. ``There's always a chance for some tpe of violence. We've been very lucky with 1,100 arrests on criminal violations of human smuggling. We try to do the best we can."

He added, ``There's a lot of violence connected with illegal immigration. But, I don't lose any sleep at night. The reason is I have full confidence in my deputies. They know how to take care of business."

Those who tried to flee after Thursday's traffic stop were caught.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:36 PM

Another Stinker,....dammit,

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/border/93852.php

No, I'm not "Signing up" for the Tucson Citizen,..so can't post hard text

GTC

Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:39 PM

Dunno' a thing 'bout C. Baldwin,.....

to busy chasin' down the news,....

Link: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080815.html

America's Greatest Threat
by Chuck Baldwin
August 15, 2008






Every time violence erupts somewhere in the world, our national leaders and news media make it sound like that particular outbreak is America's greatest threat. The conflict between Russia and Georgia is no exception. Almost as soon as news of the conflict broke, the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, John McCain, was suggesting that the United States (or the United Nations) should send troops to the scene. I guess two wars are not enough for McCain; he now wants to start a third. (And with all his talk about bombing Iran, make that four.) And talk all over Washington, D.C., was mostly about what kind of military response the United States should take.

Have people lost their minds? Or do people really believe that the United States is the world's--or should we say the United Nations'--policeman? Apparently, that is what our national leaders from both major parties believe.

Let's face it: most of America's foreign policy over the last several decades has been more about fulfilling the U.N.'s global desires than protecting the people and property of the United States. And, yes, that includes America's invasion of Iraq.

Do readers not remember that soon after launching the invasion of Iraq, President Bush appeared before the United Nations and plainly told that sinister organization that the reason he had ordered the invasion of Iraq was to "defend . . . the credibility of the United Nations"? Frankly, I did not know the United Nations had any credibility worth defending. Nevertheless, G.W. Bush was willing to sacrifice over 4,000 American lives for the express purpose of defending the U.N.'s "credibility." Now, John McCain appears willing to send troops to Georgia.

I will not use this column to analyze the specific events leading up to Russia's attack against Georgia, except to say that one can count on the fact that there is much more to the story than what NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN are telling us.

In addition, one of the major fallacies being perpetrated by most in Washington, D.C., is the notion that America is somehow strengthened and protected by aggressive meddling in the affairs of foreign countries. Such a philosophy was considered anathema to America's Founding Fathers. They rightly understood that such reasoning created more problems than it solved and that it made America more vulnerable, not more secure.

Regardless of what the underlying and overriding reasons for Russia's attack might have been, I will say here and now that the Russian-Georgian conflict is not America's greatest threat. I will also be so bold as to say that Iran or North Korea is not America's greatest threat, either. In fact, I will categorically state that no foreign nation (although, of all foreign nations, Red China should undoubtedly be our biggest concern--and none of our national leaders seem the least bit concerned about it) is America's greatest threat. America's greatest threat comes from within. And I am not alone in that opinion.

Daniel Webster warned, "There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence. I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing."

While the national media focuses on Russia, Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran, our own leaders are quietly molding the clay of our own demise right here at home. Both political parties, and the standard-bearers they select, are facilitating the surrender of our national sovereignty and independence. They are working in darkness to build an international community where the laws and principles of individual nation-states (including America's) are made subservient to the laws and principles of international entities. This is America's greatest threat.

For example, John McCain supports the International Criminal Court. Can you believe this? Can you imagine U.S. citizens being hauled off before an international court to be tried for crimes? Imagine an international court whose rulings and opinions overrule U.S. rulings and opinions. Imagine a court setting where the constitutional protections of the Bill of Rights are null and void. Imagine a court setting where international law trumps U.S. or state laws. If that is not a surrender of U.S. sovereignty, nothing is! And John McCain is all for it.

Furthermore, both John McCain and Barack Obama support NAFTA, the WTO, GATT, and the FTAA. Both major party candidates support the NAFTA superhighway, the creation of a North American Community (which is the precursor to a North American Union), the SPP, and the United Nations.

Ladies and Gentlemen, America is on the verge of losing its independence and its national sovereignty. And both major political parties (along with a compliant national media) are equally culpable. And mark this down: when America loses its independence and national sovereignty, we also lose our freedoms and liberties. Please remember that before a Constitution and Bill of Rights could be drafted, there was first drafted a Declaration of Independence. It is the Declaration of Independence that lays the cornerstone and builds the wall of protection around the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Lose the Declaration and we lose the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

No, the greatest threat to America does not come from Russia, Iraq, Iran, or any other foreign country. America's greatest threat comes from a complacent populace who would sit back and do nothing while our own civil magistrates surrender our nation's sovereignty and independence to international interests.

Think about it: 232 years after Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence, and after our Founding Fathers pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to defend that document, our nation's leaders from both major parties are in the process of ceding America back to the kind of global empire from which we fought to break free. This is America's greatest threat!

*If you enjoyed this column and want to help me distribute these editorial opinions to an ever-growing audience, donations may now be made by credit card, check, or Money Order. Use this link:

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/donate.php

© Chuck Baldwin
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:52 PM

Heartwarming,...the "Family Values" that these opoor downtrodden
bring along with the quest for jobs that we won't do.

I'll call a spade a spade,.....ya'll make no mistake,...this has become a "Sport",....amongst deviant gang-bang, "Iglesia Satanico" types,.....killin's to good for 'em,......we need something worse,....

Link: http://www.ocala.com/article/20080815/NE...6_year_old_girl

Man charged with molesting 6-year-old girl

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Published: Friday, August 15, 2008 at 12:31 p.m.
Last Modified: Friday, August 15, 2008 at 12:34 p.m.
OCALA - A 25-year-old man was charged Thursday with sexual battery on a child after he reportedly molested a 6-year-old girl, according to a Sheriff’s Office report.



MARION COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE Ricardo AmayaThe girl told investigators that Ricardo Amaya put her on a bed, pull her pants down and molested her. The girl said that when she tried to scream Amaya covered her mouth.

The girl told officials that she reported the incident to her mother, who in turn called deputies.

Amaya, who is an undocumented immigrant, was brought to the Sheriff’s Office for an interview. He declined to say anything.

He was then taken to the Marion County Jail.

- Austin L. Miller
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 08:54 PM

Go,......Joe.

Link: http://www.azcentral.com/community/surprise/articles/2008/08/15/20080815sweepsfolo-CP.html

Arpaio's West Valley sweeps netted 102 arrests
by Brent Whiting - Aug. 15, 2008 05:58 AM
The Arizona Republic
At least 102 people have been arrested during a two-day crackdown by sheriff's deputies on human smuggling in the West Valley, authorities said late Thursday.

The arrests, including suspected smugglers, illegal immigrants and people wanted on criminal warrants, were reported at mid-afternoon Thursday by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

He said more arrests were expected as the sweep, described by Arpaio as a “crime suppression” effort, was to continue into the evening hours.
“We have sent out about 100 deputies and posse members,” Arpaio said.

By the numbers, Captain Paul Chagolla said in a statement that 81 of those arrested were identified as being in the United States illegally. Of those, 32 were booked on state charges, and 8 warrant arrests were made.

The operation was being conducted from a back parking lot at the sheriff's District III substation, 13063 W. Bell Road, in Surprise and reportedly focused on several West Valley areas, including a stretch of Grand Avenue between El Mirage and Surprise.

A number of Latino activists showed up Wednesday at the substation to protest the operation, but Arpaio was not present.

Instead, he met with reporters Wednesday evening at a briefing spot about two miles away in Sun City West at R.H. Johnson and Stardust boulevards.

Arpaio said Thursday that the public has donated nearly $36,000 to support such operations since Gov. Janet Napolitano in May took away the funding and redirected $1.6 million to a state-led fugitive task force. "The success of our illegal immigration enforcement efforts under state underscores the serious problem we face here in Maricopa County," Arpaio said in a statement released late Thursday.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:08 PM

Hope the Sheriff gets reelected. He is one of very few elected officials who appreciates that illegal immigration is a problem.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:35 PM

Second day in La-La Land,....Governator and Potato Head vie for top honors in sheer stupidity,....and crass masturbatory behaviors.

This is what's getting PUBLISHED,......

can you even begin to imagine what goes on behind the scenes?

Universal City, "HollyWierd"

BRrrrr

GTC

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080816/ts_nm/governors_border_dc

U.S., Mexican states may charge to cross border Fri Aug 15, 9:08 PM ET



LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. and Mexican states are considering charging a fee for border crossings to raise money for infrastructure improvements that would reduce congestion at border posts, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said on Friday.

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The news came after governors from the 10 border states met with U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff at the Border Governors Conference in Los Angeles.

"Everyone agrees that we need to expand the pipe ... which means that we can get more people across quicker, more efficiently," Schwarzenegger told reporters at a news conference. "And there is a lack of money right now ... maybe people pay a certain amount to come cross. Let's assume $5. Don't hold me to that but that would then pay the bonds so we can develop infrastructure."

Other options, Schwarzenegger said, include charging to use certain lanes of traffic at the border.

"All of this has to be thought through," he said, referring to such a plan as a "public-private partnership."

Such plans will be critical to making all kinds of infrastructure improvements throughout California in the years to come, Schwarzenegger said, adding that the state would need $500 billion of investment in infrastructure in the next 20 years.

In a joint statement the governors called for a substantial reduction in wait times to cross the border by 2013, and backed a drive by U.S. and Mexican federal agencies for funding to hire more border inspectors.

They also backed measures to curb crime in the borderlands, including human and gun trafficking.

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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:41 PM

" They also backed measures to curb crime in the borderlands, including human and gun trafficking."

................this is what I mean by masturbatory wiedness,

ANY effort at "GUN Control" here on the line is going to hurt Mom and Pop, Joe average Guy,........and their kids.

NOONE else.

That meeting out in California's a wasted opportunity for a good old fashioned tar and feather party.

GRrrrrrrrrrrrr

GTC

Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/15/08 09:52 PM

Real Heartwarming,...and a congrats to the USBP folks on this one

.....check out the photos,.....they're not packed in very tightly there.

Sitting in a Semi sized Tractor or Truck,....one'll see folks stacked in like cordwood,....anyone lives here'll tell you that.

that's why the accidents are all so bloddy and horrendus,....overloaded, crammed,..........sigh


Link: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080815-1422-bn15smuggle.html

Another disguised vehicle nabbed by Border Patrol


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By Greg Gross
UNION-TRIBUNE BREAKING NEWS TEAM

2:22 p.m. August 15, 2008

SAN DIEGO – Three days ago, it was a drug-smuggling attempt in the backcountry using a sedan disguised as a utility company car. This time, it was a pickup in San Ysidro, made to look like a construction-company truck in an attempt to smuggle immigrants into the United States from Mexico.


U.S. Customs and Border Protection
This photo provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection shows people packed into the back of the truck.
Sedan disguised as SDG&E vehicle can't fool Border Patrol


Different vehicle, different cargo, different guise, same result – busted by Border Patrol agents.

The pickup had been made up to look like a truck from the Kiewit Corporation, a construction firm currently working on a large project near the border, a Border Patrol spokesman said.

The masquerade extended to the pickup's driver, who was wearing a yellow hard hat and a reflective orange safety vest, the spokesman said.

Border Patrol agents grew suspicious, however, when they saw the truck park briefly in a secluded spot along the border fence. When a radio check revealed that the pickup belonged not to Kiewit, but to a private resident of San Diego, they decided to stop the vehicle.

Seeing the agents, the truck driver sped off down Dairy Mart Road, but agents stopped the pickup near Interstate 5 with the help of a spike strip, the spokesman said. The driver was arrested.



Advertisement A check of the vehicle found one illegal immigrant in the cab and 10 more in the truck bed, crammed into a false toolbox, the spokesman said.
This comes three days after a woman was caught by Border Patrol agents near Campo trying to smuggle 223 pounds of marijuana across the border in a Ford Taurus made to look like a car from San Diego Gas & Electric.
Posted by: 86thecat

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 12:11 AM

Quote- Therefore, you still need someone to do the jobs lazy Americans won't do. Not saying anything derogatory here, but many people would rather go on wellfare than take an outside job or start at the bottom.-End Quote

Remove the welfare, solve the problem.
Posted by: 378Canuck

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 02:53 AM

That's right and parents also need to cutoff the welfare to their children.

On another note. "Did the pilgrims arriving to Plymouth need visas?
LOL
Posted by: Plinker

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 06:22 AM

 Originally Posted By: 378Canuck

On another note. "Did the pilgrims arriving to Plymouth need visas?
LOL


There were no domestic laws in effect regarding that issue at the time.

Today, there are laws.
Posted by: 378Canuck

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 06:44 AM

There were laws in place, but they were disregarded. The natives told them that this was their land but those laws were not upheld by the newcomers. Why would you expect new immigrants to respect your new laws.
Ask any American Indian -what he thinks about immigration?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 07:39 AM

Another poor downtrodden one , on a quest for all that's better here,.....taken off the streets,.......

How Sad,........yeah,,........right

Link: http://www.orland-press-register.com/news/alcala_2382___article.html/stop_county.html

Traffic stop ends in arrest
Thursday, Aug 14 2008, 11:20 pm
By Rob Parsons/Staff Writer
A routine traffic stop ended Tuesday with an illegal immigrant behind bars in Glenn County facing multiple drug and weapons charges.

Brazzi stopped Pedro Alcala, 28, on County Road P, south of Orland for vehicle code violations. Alcala told Brazzi he did not have a driver’s license and was instructed to exit his vehicle.

According to sheriff’s logs, Alcala pulled a loaded stainless steel Colt .25 pistol from his pants waistband and tossed it on the seat before getting out of his car. Alcala was then handcuffed and searched for other weapons.

Sheriff’s Lt. Rich Warren said Alcala did not point the weapon at the deputy.

During the vehicle search, Brazzi recovered another handgun, a .22 caliber revolver, and 15.1 grams of methamphetamine. Warren’s field tests confirmed the substance as meth.

Alcala is being held without bail in Glenn County jail on multiple counts including possession and transportation of a controlled substance for sale and possession of loaded and concealed weapons while driving, and driving without a license.

Alcala appeared in court Wednesday, but it was not clear if he entered a plea. An after business hours phone call to the court clerk’s office was not immediately returned.

Following his time in Glenn County, Warren said Alcala would likely be deported to Mexico.
Posted by: Tracks

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 11:48 AM

 Originally Posted By: 378Canuck
There were laws in place, but they were disregarded. The natives told them that this was their land but those laws were not upheld by the newcomers. Why would you expect new immigrants to respect your new laws.
Ask any American Indian -what he thinks about immigration?

And who gave permission when the Sioux moved west to new lands, or wave after wave of newcomers came down from the north.
We now have a nation and laws in place to protect it,
What we need is someone in charge who cares enough about the future of our country and less about getting being liked by the Mexicans.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 12:14 PM

King of Kidnappings,.......

I don't like the sound of that, and cleave to AUTOMATIC death penalty in retribution therefore.

Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/mexico-the-king-of-kidnappings/

Mexico - the “king” of kidnappings!
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The National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers (NAFBPO) extracts and condenses the material that follows from Mexican and Central and South American on-line media sources on a daily basis. You are free to disseminate this information, but we request that you credit NAFBPO as being the provider.

Diario de Yucatan (Merida, Yucatan) 8/15/08 (This item also appeared in a large number of other papers all across Mexico today)

- headline: “Mexico, the king of kidnappings”
In a study titled “Kidnapping is an explosive business” the Holland-based Pax Christi organization pointed out that between three and four kidnappings take place daily in Mexico and that Mexico occupies the first place for kidnappings among all countries in the world. The study was presented in Bogota, Colombia; it also advocates a policy on non-payment of ransoms nor concessions to the kidnappers.
The document points out that the strengthening of criminality associated with narcotraffic has influenced kidnappings, whose victims are mainly business leaders and the upper middle class. Data from Mexico’s Dep’t. of Justice reveals the 3 to 4 daily figure, which surpasses Ecuador’s 35 to 45 yearly and Venezuela’s, where there were 297 kidnappings in 2007.
- A 37 year old Panamanian was found dead in a Mexico City hotel. One of the 78 capsules he had in his stomach had “exploded”, according to the Distrito Federal’s AG’s office. The man had been carrying 920 grams (almost one kilo) of cocaine in his body. He also had airline tickets showing he was headed for Holland.
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El Diario (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 8/15/08

Short takes from the section on local state news:
- Victim in Chihuahua had killed two in Juarez
- Four assassinated near Parral
- New narcosign hung up in state’s capital
- One more “executed” in Chihuahua; five others forcibly carried off
- One killed and one house fired at in Nuevo Casas Grandes
And from the local city section: (posted 8/15/08 at 01:45 hrs.)
- An additional seven persons were murdered yesterday between afternoon and nighttime in different sections of Juarez, while three others were hospitalized and apparently two more were forcibly abducted.
- A new auto theft record was set in Juarez: 1,668 vehicles were stolen in July, 126 of them by violent means. The first seven months of the year now tally 9,086.
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Norte (Ciudad Juarez, Chih.) 8/15/08

The Chihuahua State Dep’t. of Justice reported that 143 persons were victims of homicide in Ciudad Juarez in the month of July. The year’s tally has now already reached 800.
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El Imparcial (Hermosillo, Sonora) 8/15/08

(Relevant portions of an op/column by Valdemar Jimenez titled “Pears from the Elm tree” (read: asking for the impossible) follow):
We have years now insisting that principally among the great many ills which afflict Mexico, there is corruption and impunity, rooted for years in the country. Up to now no one among those who must combat (those ills) has had the will and aim to try to eradicate them despite promises and commitments to do so.
In the difficult times we are living in because of the scourge of social insecurity generated by organized crime, mainly due to its kidnapping enterprise, the voices of society point out that it is precisely that overwhelming corruption and impunity which are the main causes of criminality that has proliferated so much in our country and has overtaken officialdom which has been infiltrated by the “narco” and organized crime.
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La Cronica de Hoy (Mexico City) 8/15/08

- When a “federal preventive police” group arrived in the city of Aguascalientes they found that six city police officers had suddenly disappeared and are nowhere to be found. The six are being investigated for “illicit conduct” and the city police chief is taking the opportunity to fire them.
- Mexico’s “PFP” (federal preventive police) is planning a nationwide work stoppage today (Fri.) to protest newly mandated work schedule conditions.
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La Jornada , Excelsior (both Mexico City) 8/15/08

Events reported in different areas of the state of Aguascalientes:
- Today at dawn an armed group took a police “commander” out of her house by force.
- The same as above happened to a judge.
- The chief of police at Tepezala has disappeared and his family has not heard from him since yesterday. His son was also taken out of his own home by force.
- There was a shootout last night at Rincon de Romos; three persons died, a soldier and two “hit men”
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Milenio (Mexico City) 8/15/08

Police are looking for a human body to match the head found on the street in Ecatepec (some 15 mi. NE of Mexico City). The head, with its eyes bound with tape, was left alongside a message on a tag-board.
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El Heraldo (Tegucigalpa, Honduras) 8/15/08

According to a consular assistance report, Mexican police officials kidnap Honduran, Guatemalan and Salvadoran migrants and then ask their relatives in the United States for ransom. State and city police, mainly in Veracruz, carry out those detentions of Central Americans en route to the U.S.; an extortion by telephone then follows for amounts ranging from 5 thousand to 50 thousand Mexican pesos. The detainees are held in houses and are not fed.
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La Prensa Grafica (San Salvador, El Salvador) 8/15/08

Kareh Pirozan, a 28 yr. old Iranian, is being “processed judicially” in El Salvador after he attempted to leave the country on a flight to Canada. He presented an Irish passport.
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Prensa Libre (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 8/15/08

- “Eleven persons died yesterday after having been victims of several bullet impacts in different violent acts in the departments of Guatemala, Jutiapa, Jalapa, Zacapa and Izabal.”
- (Following article transl. in full)
“Guatemalans in Rhode Island will celebrate the first festival in that state.”
The Guatemalans in Rhode Island will be able to enjoy a get together beginning at noon on September 7, when the First Guatemalan Festival of Rhode Island will be celebrated.
Edyn (sic) Fernandez, a member of the organizing committee, said to the daily “El Latino Expreso” “We want it to be a meeting of family get togetherness to which we will try to bring the largest number of Guatemalan families who live in the area.”
The idea of organizing the festival comes about so that the Guatemalan community in the U.S.A. can share and know what its necessities are, its legal status, its employment and living conditions and to see how they can work together to seek a solution to their problems, said Carlos Fernandez, president of the Guatemalan Committee of Rhode Island.
The invitation does not exclude latinos of other nationalities and entrance will be free for all. To get more information, those interested may communicate with Carlos Paiz at (401)451-4856.”
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- end of report
Posted by: isaac

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 12:17 PM

Canuck,

"Did the pilgrims arriving to Plymouth need visas?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Did the terrorists planning to blow up Toronto?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 03:09 PM

More "Family Values",.....

Good Lord,.....this is pretty sick

No,.....WAY sick




Link: http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_10215151

Palo Alto police arrest man in 2002 rape of 94-year-old woman
By Sean Webby
Mercury News
Article Last Updated: 08/15/2008 01:14:11 PM PDT


More than six years after they arrested the wrong man for beating and raping a 94-year-old woman, Palo Alto police believe they have now arrested the right one.
Roberto Cruz Recendes, 40, of Mexico is expected to be arraigned this afternoon in a Palo Alto courthouse, the Mercury News has learned.

Recendes, who was extradited from his native country back to Palo Alto, will be charged with sexual penetration against a victim's will by force and causing great bodily harm to an elderly person. Palo Alto police took custody of him in Los Angeles.

The woman will never know her alleged attacker was caught. She has since died.

It was possibly the culmination of one of the most controversial Peninsula criminal cases in recent history.

On May 10, 2002, the elderly woman was beaten and sexually assaulted in the darkness of her assisted-living apartment just off El Camino Real in Palo Alto.

Police, on the strength of what they felt were incriminating admissions and the poor alibi of drunken blackout, arrested Jorge Hernandez - a recent Gunn High School graduate with a baby face and no criminal record.

But on August 9, 2002, on the verge of a preliminary hearing, prosecutors dropped all charges against the 18-year-old saying DNA evidence showed that he didn't do it.

Recendes was convicted of domestic violence in Santa Clara County and sent to state prison in 2004, court documents said. He remains on parole for that crime, according to the


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state Department of Corrections, and has an active arrest warrant.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 07:57 PM

Good bunch, American Patrol,

.....good questions asked here, too, regarding the Boeing "Virtual Fence" fiasco.

Potato-Head's been real quiet on that abortion



Link: We Get E-Mail
August 16, 2008

E-mail to American Border Patrol.......

Glenn

I sent this to Duncan Hunter today:

The invasion continues

On August 13 an American Border Patrol volunteer was operating a camera on the border in Arizona. The volunteer was in Texas. He spotted suspicious activity on Border Road. This video shows what happened.

8/13/08 http://www.americanpatrol.com/WMV/080815-ABP.wmv
7/29/08 http://americanpatrol.com/WMV/080729-VV-Chase.wmv

Mr. Hunter,

I don't live in California, I'm actually in Texas operating ABP's camera's over the internet. As you can see from the video's above this is a growing problem. I have been using this system since April and what you are seeing is an every night occurrence. The video on 8/13/08 shows only 1 of the four groups that I spotted that evening, within a 45min time span.

Since I have been on this system I have watched drug loads and people coming into this country on a nightly basis. Glenn has put this system together for under $100,000, whereas the Boeing system cost $80 mil and didn't work.

What I would like to know is, is anyone going to be held accountable for the waste of tax payers dollars on a system that has been scraped?

Bob Parker

Duncan Hunter’s Home Page

http://www.house.gov/hunter/
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 08:05 PM

This is just flat wierd,.......

Pork Burritos,.....

Link: http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_Reports/2008/Aug08/081508_LA_LongBeach.htm


SPECIAL REPORT: L.A., Long Beach OK grants for Mexican carriers Friday, Aug. 15, 2008 – The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach boast of bringing in 40 percent of the nation’s imported goods, and plans to cut emissions at each port have been highlighted in mainstream news programs and the cable TV show “America’s Port.”

A Land Line investigation into the ports’ multibillion-dollar clean truck program, however, shows that the $2.2 billion program could pay for the replacement of trucks owned by Mexican trucking companies while it excludes U.S. trucks that run any miles outside of California.

The Ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles each have adopted clean trucks programs that phase out all pre-2007 emissions level trucks by December 2012, and phase in requirements that all trucks be operated by licensed concessionaires approved by the port. The Port of Los Angeles adopted further restrictions that eventually require all drivers to be company employees.

On page five of the Clean Trucks Program application – which features logos of each port – the form asks applicants to check one of three types of operating authority numbers.

MC for motor carrier
FF for freight forwarder
MX for Mexican companies with federal authority to operate beyond commercial zones


The MX stands for “carriers that are based in Mexico,” said Art Wong, a spokesman for the Port of Long Beach.

Theresa Adams-Lopez, a spokeswoman for the Port of Los Angeles, also confirmed the Mexican truck classification in a statement but said it was “merely an inquiry during the application process.”

“An MX-registered truck probably won’t be automatically excluded from getting grant funding,” Adams-Lopez said. “However, it will need to meet all the standard criteria. Be assured that no truck will be funded under either port’s funds unless it can be shown to meet all program requirements, as a legitimate frequent tripper and contributor to the ports’ air quality programs.”

The potential for hundreds of millions of dollars to be given to companies domiciled in Mexico concerns the Missouri-based Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, said Rick Craig, OOIDA’s director of regulatory affairs.

“It appears that certain Mexican trucking companies could meet the requirements of this program,” Craig said.

The truck replacement funding form requires applicants to be plated in California with no International Registration Plan license, and applicants must promise not to run any miles outside of the Golden State for at least seven years.

The ports plan to use container fees to finance a portion of the $2.2 billion truck replacement program, which can fund up to 80 percent of the cost of replacing the oldest trucks among the estimated 16,000 drayage trucks that operate daily in the ports.

The program, however, isn’t fully funded by container fees. The state of California is kicking in a large share of money needed for truck replacement.

Proposition 1B – which includes a total of $20 billion for transportation infrastructure and $1 billion specifically for air quality programs – also will fund $98 million worth of truck replacement funds at the Ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles during the 2007-2008 fiscal year.

Applicants can try to obtain grants for a portion of the cost of a new truck, or to a “subsidized lease or grant using a combination of port and Proposition 1B funds,” according to a joint announcement issued by the ports on Aug. 1.

Many Mexican carriers run trucks in California with license plates from Mexico and California, or with an International Registration Plan license plate, each examples that would prevent their application from being considered for the truck replacement program. Foreign owned and operated carriers also must deal with a variety of customs and immigration regulations.

Theoretically, a Mexican carrier could purchase a truck in the U.S., run only California miles and employ an American driver to meet immigration standards, Craig said.

Craig pointed out the drayage economy in Los Angeles and Long Beach has been profitable for port trucking companies but not for owner-operators, who can’t afford to buy their own new trucks or to maintain existing ones.

“If not for the perverted economic model that has developed in the ports, there would be no need to subsidize port replacement trucks in the first place,” Craig said. “Our people are complying without public funding.”

Joe Rajkovacz, OOIDA’s regulatory affairs specialist, has addressed the Port of Los Angeles Harbor Commission and spoken to several port officials about the Association’s concerns.

Rajkovacz said the American Trucking Association’s recent lawsuit seeking an injunction against the port’s clean truck program doesn’t argue against carriers receiving billions in truck replacement funds.

“The most onerous aspect of the clean truck program has always been the money giveaway,” Rajkovacz said. “Within the ATA lawsuit against the ports they profess to want less polluting trucks serving the ports, but welcome the financial windfall to meet clean truck program goals. That’s not the market capitalism they supposedly champion. That travesty is only compounded by giving money away to foreign-domiciled motor carriers when long haul truckers must comply on their own dime.”

– By Charlie Morasch, staff writer
charlie_morasch@landlinemag.com
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 08:11 PM

A little "Vignette"

......the creep's lucky Dad didn't just waste him.

Link: http://www.guardonline.com/?q=node/47187

Fight erupts after father meets teenage daughter’s illegal pal
Published: Thursday, August 14, 2008
Thinking he was meeting a 15-year-old girl Friday morning, a 26-year-old Batesville man was surprised to find the girl’s father waiting for him.

Santiago Garcia, of Davis Lane Trailer Park, reportedly went to a location on Highway 233 outside Sulphur Rock around 7:30 a.m. for a rendezvous with the girl and ended up in a fight with her father, according to Independence County Deputy Dustin Robbins.

Robbins said he was first dispatched to the area regarding two men fighting at an accident scene.

“After speaking with the subjects for a few minutes, I found that the Hispanic male was at that location to meet with the white male’s 15-year-old daughter, but dad had learned of the situation and met him instead,” Robbins said.

According to Robbins, Garcia, dressed in lounge pants and a tank top shirt, first gave him a name of Diego Luna, the name of a famous Mexican actor, and said he was 23 years old. He also reportedly said he had a driver’s license, but not with him.

Garcia’s driver’s license was reportedly found while he was looking for insurance papers on his car. Robbins said that is when he learned that Garcia had given him an alias. When asked about the phony name, Garcia reportedly said that was the name the girl knew him by.

After placing Garcia under arrest, Robbins said an inventory of Garcia’s car turned up a roll of duct tape, and he had a condom in his wallet.

“I asked Garcia what he intended to do when he met the girl and he advised that they were just going to talk,” Robbins said.

At the county jail, Garcia was cited for criminal impersonation. He reportedly revealed that he was in the U.S. illegally, and an immigration hold was placed on him for federal agents.

The father of the girl was not charged in the incident.

In other reports filed with the Independence County Sheriff’s Office:

• A 17-year-old White County youth is facing escape and fleeing charges in Batesville after he fled from a White County deputy at the juvenile detention center around 8:30 Saturday night.

Police chased the handcuffed youth around the area of the juvenile center and Hidden Valley Trailer Park several times before he was recaptured and booked into the juvenile facility.

No one was injured in the incident.

• Kimberly D. Thomas, 34, of Concord, was arrested on charges of possession of marijuana and a smoking pipe following a traffic stop around 2:45 p.m. Friday.

Police were led to the items in a backpack, after detecting the odor of burned marijuana during the traffic stop.

Thomas has an Aug. 20 date to appear in district court.

• Martenus A. Mosley, 36, 390 Hawkins St., was arrested for possession of a controlled substance after he was stopped for speeding around 8 p.m. Friday.

Mosley reportedly was in possession of a prescription bottle, with no name on the label, that contained several Xanax pills, according to police.

He was given an Aug. 20 court date.

• A domestic disturbance at 18th and Porter streets, where a man was reportedly trying to drive away, dragging a woman by her leg, led to the driver’s arrest Sunday evening.

Edgar Hernandez Cruz, 32, of 7740 Batesville Blvd., was arrested for domestic battering, no proof of liability insurance and fictitious tags following the 8:15 p.m. incident.

• Three people were arrested early Sunday morning after they reportedly fled from police after they were caught spinning their truck tires on a Batesville street.

Arrested were 21-year-old Stephen Powell of Huntington, Texas, 19-year-old Logan Eaves of Rochelle, Texas, and Rodney Gilmer, 18, of Searcy.

Following a traffic stop, Powell and Eaves reportedly ran from police on foot and were captured at the rear of Heritage Propane company on North St. Louis Street.

Powell reportedly resisted arrest before he was taken into custody.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/16/08 08:25 PM

Bad choice for graffiti location,on a U.S. FLAG?

Go Joe, regardless,.....

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM8bQITQ30Q
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 07:06 AM

Way more Maritime activity this year,

....or so it would seem



Link: http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/1161936.html

Boat carrying 16 Mexican nationals intercepted
The Associated Press
Last Updated 11:13 pm PDT Friday, August 15, 2008

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IMPERIAL BEACH, Calif. -- Authorities say 16 Mexican nationals are in custody and face deportation after their small boat was intercepted at sea off Imperial Beach.

Border Patrol agent Mark Endicott says the 20-foot panga boat was discovered with its lights off just before 1 a.m. Friday, about 500 yards off the coast just north of the U.S.-Mexico border.

Endicott says the skiff tried to elude authorities, but it was "obviously overmatched" by vessels from the Customs and Border Protection.

Endicott says the 11 men and five women aboard the boat were taken into custody and face deportation. The boat was confiscated.

Information from: San Diego Union-Tribune http://www.signonsandiego.com
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 07:13 AM

Jeez,.......Big Pot

Link: http://www.sbsun.com/sanbernardino/ci_10219890

Safer to grow here than at home maybe?


Link: http://www.sbsun.com/sanbernardino/ci_10219890


Deputies raid major pot farm nestled in SB Mountains
Stacia Glenn, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 08/15/2008 09:39:17 PM PDT



Photo Gallery:Marijuana Farm
It was a grueling climb down hundreds of feet of shale and rocks before the team reached its destination: ridges and ridges of marijuana spilling over 40 acres.

Chances are it's one of the biggest pot farms ever uncovered in the San Bernardino Mountains, authorities said.

For weeks, the San Bernardino County sheriff's Marijuana Eradication Team surveyed the marijuana operation nestled deep in a canyon off Highway 18 near the Arctic Circle.

They moved in Thursday morning but were still carrying marijuana plants out of the canyon late Friday.

"They're talking about 30,000 plants right now, but they're still counting," said sheriff's spokeswoman Tiffany Swantek. "It's quite significant."

A narcotics captain said the biggest bust he could recall in the mountains was 47,000 marijuana plants.

The team spent a half-hour hiking into the canyon about 9 a.m. Thursday until reaching the pot farmers' camp.

"They saw several subjects run from them, and they were able to catch five," said sheriff's Sgt. Dave Phelps.

The team arrested five men identified as being from Mexico: Huver Saustegui Salazar, 22; Raul Gomez Salazar, 20; Raul Cervantes Salazar, 19; Sergio Martinez Alvares, 24; and Alonso Sarmiento Gonzalez, 33.

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at West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga.
U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency officials were assessing the farm on Friday to determine whether federal drug charges could be filed.

None of the men were armed when taken into custody, and no weapons have been found at the camp, authorities said.

At least four other pot farmers were able to escape, authorities said.

On Friday, the camouflage- suited MET officers diligently cut marijuana plants in the canyon and loaded them into waiting helicopters.

Curious drivers slowed down to watch as two helicopters hovered beside Highway 18, dumping large bundles of marijuana into black trailers.

Members of the team jumped up and down on the plants, trying to flatten them as much as possible. Within hours, two large trucks were full and waiting cart the plants away.

"This is going to be huge," Swantek said.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 01:08 PM

Crap,....what's this all about,....?



LINK: http://www.americanpatrol.com/

Free Pass?
Unimpeded by Border Patrol?

American Border Patrol -- August 17
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American Border Patrol's Operation Virtual Vigilance remotely operated camera system has aided in the apprehension of hundreds of illegal aliens. Last night was unusual, however. At about 8 pm (PDT) a group of about 25 people were spotted crossing the border. The Border Patrol was notified. The ABP volunteer (a retired Coast Guard Captain) was told the BP cameras couldn't spot the people so he described their position and tracked them for over twenty minutes, but the BP acted somewhat disinterested and the volunteer could see no evidence of a response. "This is very strange," the volunteer told Glenn Spencer of ABP. The group was last seen approaching Arizona Route 92, a favorite pickup point. (Video on Monday
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 02:32 PM

Dunno' Ball,.....or New Yawk,


like the sound of this regardless,

Dunno' Spitzer,........either,..... was he Brain Damaged?

GTC

Link: http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080816/NEWS01/808160356

Ball vows to reignite immigrants' driver's license issue
By Leah Rae
The Journal News • August 16, 2008

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WHITE PLAINS - It was many months ago that a media firestorm tanked then-Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to offer driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

But Assemblyman Greg Ball yesterday promised to stir up the issue again by demanding a recall of certain driver's licenses issued to visa holders last year. Ball, a Republican from Patterson seeking re-election, renewed criticism over 23,000 licenses issued to U.S. visa holders without a "Temporary Visitor" stamp.


"We're going to hold a hearing next month to bring attention to this and hopefully create another firestorm on what is a real national security nightmare," he said during a press conference at the Department of Motor Vehicles office in White Plains. Raising the specter of a terrorist attack, he said, "If this loophole allows the people of New York to be harmed, the blood will be on the hands of this legislature and this governor."

The visitor stamp, introduced in January 2003, is in red letters and includes the expiration date of an applicant's visa. The license is good for eight years, regardless of the visa expiration date. The visa information can be updated for a $10 fee.

Gov. Spitzer's administration suspended that practice between Sept. 27 and Nov. 2 of last year while it moved toward offering licenses without regard to immigration status. After the state dropped its plan and reverted to the old rules, state Sen. Vincent Leibell, county clerks and others sounded alarms over the 23,000 documents lacking the visitor designation.

Commissioner David Swarts, in a letter to state Sen. John Flanagan in April, said he had no legal authority to revoke the licenses, because they were obtained lawfully with verified proof of identity. He did say the license holders in question would be flagged and required to update their immigration status if they come in for a new transaction.

"I believe that the threat of identity-related crimes or other fraudulent activity resulting from the use of such documents is minimal," Swarts wrote.

Ed Kowalski, who spoke alongside Ball yesterday as a representative of the group 9/11 Families for a Secure America, protested that none of the license applicants underwent criminal background checks, adding that it wasn't clear what identification they'd submitted. According to the DMV, criminal background checks are never conducted for license applicants and the identification requirements have not changed.

Kowalski said the fact remained that there may be license holders whose driver ID has outlasted their right to be in the United States.

Immigrant advocacy groups argue that the visitor stamp is useless and misleading. "It makes the driver's license look like some kind of a quasi-immigration-type document, which it's not," said Amy Sugimori of the New York City community organization La Fuente. "And the expiration date might be meaningless."

Advocates also argue that it's better for national security if more immigrants are licensed, identified and listed in the license database.

Ball vowed to press the issue. "Unfortunately, because the camera crews aren't in front of the state Capitol anymore, we don't see the political courage that we saw when the cameras were on," he said.

Reach Leah Rae at lrae@lohud.com or 914-694-3526.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 05:43 PM

Tension, and discontent, in Elsinore.

Strange vibes offa' this article,

....oh, .....California, where art thou.........?

Link: http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles...4a5007235bd.txt



LAKE ELSINORE: Immigrants' rights protesters march on City Hall
Protesters claim U.S. Border Patrol is breaking up families
By AARON CLAVERIE - Staff Writer | Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:57 PM PDT ∞

74 comment(s) Increase Font Decrease Font email this story print this story A vocal yet peaceful group of 50 to 60 Latino residents protested Friday a crackdown by the U.S. Border Patrol on day laborers in the Lake Elsinore area. The protesters marched early Friday morning from Elsinore Elementary School to Lake Elsinore City Hall and then to the Lake Elsinore Sheriff's Station. (Photo by Steve Thornton - Staff Photographer) Carmen Topete of Wildomar holds up a sign near Elsinore Elementary School during Friday's protest of the U. S. Border Patrol's policy concerning day laborers. (Photo by Steve Thornton - Staff Photographer) Friday's protest of the U. S. Border Patrol's policy ended peacefully at the Lake Elsinore Station of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department. LAKE ELSINORE ---- Protesters marched down Main Street earlier this week to decry an alleged crackdown on undocumented day laborers that, they said, is breaking up families and stoking fear within the city's Latino community.

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The protesters carried signs that read, "All men created equal," "We are humans not animals" and "No mas redadas" (No more raids).

"People are so afraid right now," said Alex Lopez, one of the protesters. "Parents are not taking their children to school because they are afraid they're going to be taken away."

Lopez said the alleged crackdown on day laborers, men in blue jeans and T-shirts or work shirts who gather on the city's street corners in the morning, was spurred by city officials who "don't want to see any Hispanics."

Mayor Daryl Hickman, contacted at home after the protest, said the issue has nothing to do with race.

"I think the U.S. Border Patrol is doing their job," he said.

Hickman said the city has traditionally allowed day laborers to gather on Spring Street, which runs parallel to Main Street.

Other cities in the region ---- and cities throughout the U.S. ---- have similar spots where day laborers are allowed to gather. When there are problems or complaints, as there were recently in Temecula and Vista, cities have passed measures or ordinances to curtail or regulate the activity.

In recent months, Hickman said, the day laborers in Lake Elsinore have been standing on the Main Street corners, the gateways that lead to the area's historical downtown.

Hickman said he worked with some of the city's downtown merchants and tried to get the men to move back to Spring Street, but nothing changed.

So Hickman said he contacted Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Temecula, and asked for some support.

"People were not coming downtown. We had to do something. Now we're seeing the results," he said.

The protest ---- organized by a group of area families, Lopez said ---- started in front of Elsinore Elementary School. From there, the group of about 60 people marched to City Hall, where they chanted, "We are immigrants, not terrorists" and "You need to stop it." The group then made its way to the city's police station at Graham Avenue and Poe Street.

Lopez said 250 undocumented immigrants have been deported in recent months from the Lake Elsinore area. A U.S. Border Patrol spokesman said there is no way to confirm the number Lopez provided because the agency does not break down arrests or deportations by area.

Nora Arviso, a Lake Elsinore resident, was a member of the group that gathered in front of City Hall. She said the city needs to support its people. "We pay all the taxes," she said.

City Manager Bob Brady briefly addressed the crowd, saying the city had nothing to do with U.S. Border Patrol activity.

"That's a lie," said David Lopez, one of the protesters. "I'm saying it's a lie because everyone knows it's a lie."

Lopez, who has lived in Lake Elsinore for four years, said it's plain to see that the city is working with the Border Patrol.

Contacted after the protest, Brady stressed the point he tried to get across earlier in the day.

"The Border Patrol is doing it as part of their job. They didn't notify the city of any additional activity. They didn't notify the Police Department of any additional activity," he said. "But if federal laws are being broken, the city is supportive of those laws being enforced."

As Hickman noted, Brady said the city has permitted day laborers to gather on Spring Street. He said the city has even placed trash cans near popular gathering spots on Spring to help keep the area cleaner.

"The city has not done anything to prohibit that from occurring. That hasn't changed, that has been that way for a number of years," he said. "The city is not trying to take work away from anyone."

U.S. Border Patrol Agent Alex Renteria, an agency spokesman in San Diego, said his office has been receiving calls from people claiming that the Border Patrol is staging raids in Lake Elsinore.

However, Renteria said there haven't been any raids.

"What we're doing is normal operations through our Murrieta station. Agents are working their routine patrols along the Interstate 15 corridor and the Highway 74 corridor," he said.

Addressing some of the other claims made by the protesters, Renteria said a complaint from a city official wouldn't trigger a response from the U.S. Border Patrol.

"We're a federal agency. If we do step up efforts, it's because Washington, D.C., tasked us to do that," he said.

As for the claims that there have been more agents in Lake Elsinore lately, Renteria said, "Nothing in that area has been beefed up. We've just gone through a huge hiring phase. There are a lot more staff, more agents at each station. That's what we're seeing. And we have more coming. We (the agency) (The agency) should be 18,000 strong by the end of this year."

About a half-hour before the protest started, a group of day laborers who had gathered at Main Street and Sumner Avenue talked about the situation in Lake Elsinore.

A man who identified himself as Melvin Perez, who said he was an undocumented worker from Guatemala, said the Border Patrol is a constant presence now.

"They come in the morning, they come at night," he said.

Perez was standing on the corner with six other men, guys dressed for eight hours of work that can net them about $80.

As they waited for work, a gray unmarked law enforcement vehicle pulled up to a stop sign at the other side of the intersection. One of the men asked, "La migra (Border Patrol)?" Another man answered, saying that it was only a "narco" (a narcotics officer).

When asked, all of the men said they were undocumented immigrants. One man, wearing a John Deere mesh baseball cap, said he was from Mexico. Another man, who said his name was Edgar Benjamin, said he was from Guatemala.

Some people who pick them up for landscaping work pay $7 or $8 an hour.

"For me, $10 (an hour) is good," Perez said.

While Perez waited for someone to stop, a white truck pulled up and two members of the group climbed inside.

Contact staff writer Aaron Claverie at (951) 676-4315, Ext. 2624, or aclaverie@californian.com.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 05:49 PM

Spendy,....this fencing,

Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5946837.html

Construction begins on San Diego border fence
By ELLIOT SPAGAT Associated Press
Aug. 15, 2008, 9:30PM
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Print Email Del.icio.usDiggTechnoratiYahoo! BuzzSAN DIEGO — Scrapers and bulldozers began filling a deep canyon Friday to make way for a border fence in the southwestern corner of the United States after 12 years of planning, environmental reviews and legal challenges.

The 3½-mile stretch extends from a state park on an oceanfront cliff through a canyon known as Smuggler's Gulch. The gorge was overrun by illegal immigrants until U.S. authorities launched a crackdown in the 1990s that pushed traffic to the remote mountains and deserts of California and Arizona.

At a cost of about $16 million a mile, the fence will be far more expensive than fences the U.S. government is building elsewhere along the nation's 1,952-mile border with Mexico. U.S. Customs and Border Protection said the average cost along the entire border is $2 million to $3 million a mile.

The stretch near San Diego will cost about $57 million under a contract awarded to Kiewit Corp. of Omaha, Neb., said James Swanson, a Border Patrol special operations supervisor.

The lion's share will pay for filling Smuggler's Gulch with nearly 1.9 million tons of dirt and for building a concrete culvert to handle rainfall flowing downhill from Tijuana, Mexico, Swanson said.

The border is currently marked by a decaying fence made of surplus Navy landing mats. Border Patrol agents swarm the area in jeeps and pickups as they wait for migrants in Tijuana to dash about 2 miles through trees to the closest patch of stores and homes.

It is a far cry from the early 1990s, when large groups blitzed across the border and easily overwhelmed the Border Patrol.

U.S. authorities insist new fencing is needed, despite an increase in patrols and objections from environmental groups who say the dirt shift threatens the Tijuana River estuary, home to more than 370 migratory and native birds.

"We're not seeing the thousands, the hundreds who streamed through in the past," said Mike Fisher, chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. "However, it's still a vulnerability that's being exploited today."

Arrests along the stretch have doubled in the past year as the Border Patrol has added agents, said spokesman Alex Renteria. Arrests totaled 16,738 in the area from October through July, or about 60 a day, up from 7,944 the same period last year.

The project calls for a dirt access road and 15-foot steel mesh fence just north of the existing fence. Crews will also build a third fence about 10 feet high farther north and install lights.

"It's crazy," said Victor Clark Alfaro, director of the Binational Center for Human Rights in Tijuana. "I don't see the justification to spend $60 million on an area that's no longer an important crossing."

Clark predicted the new fence will reduce crossings to "almost zero" but inflict serious environmental damage.

The construction will help inch the Bush administration toward its pledge of 370 miles of pedestrian fencing and 300 miles of vehicle barriers on the U.S.-Mexico border by the end of this year. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told a House committee last month that the government was "on track" to hit that mark, though it had built only 182 miles of pedestrian fence and 153 miles of vehicle barriers as of July 11.

Congress approved the fencing in a 14-mile stretch from the Pacific Ocean in 1996, but the government faced stiff opposition over the westernmost piece. In 2004, the California Coastal Commission refused to grant permits, saying damage to sensitive habitats outweighed security benefits.

In 2005, Chertoff overrode the commission's objections — as well as a federal lawsuit by the Sierra Club — by exercising new powers to waive legal and regulatory challenges to build the fence. He has since used that power to clear the way for hundreds of miles of fencing in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

According to local legend, Smuggler's Gulch got its name from alcohol that was smuggled into the U.S. during Prohibition. In Mexico, it is known as "Canon del Matadero" — or "Slaughterhouse Canyon" — supposedly because there was once a goat slaughterhouse nearby.
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 05:57 PM

I'm going to have to get some blood pressure medication if I keep reading this stuff.


Millions going to Mexican trucking companies to come here and put American truckers out of buisness, that's just rich.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 06:35 PM

 Originally Posted By: Barkoff
I'm going to have to get some blood pressure medication if I keep reading this stuff.


Millions going to Mexican trucking companies to come here and put American truckers out of buisness, that's just rich.


That's a good source,......I don't think they are over playing the problem,.........the HEALTH of our American trucking industry should be right at the forefront of priority,.....wouldn't you say?

So,....off kilter azz-backwards nonsense like this floats to the top.

and gets SCRUTINIZED.

God Bless 1A

GTC
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 06:39 PM

Hopefully that outfit has the ear of a few Congressmen willing to raise a little hell.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 06:57 PM

This should cheer us up,.....

Capitalism at it's finest.

Ya' gotta' love this Country, ....No?

Link: http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_10220180

Recruiters fill the void after immigration raids
By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN Associated Press Writer
Article Launched: 08/15/2008 11:03:26 PM MDT


McALLEN, Texas—The largest single-site workplace raid in U.S. history may have cost a kosher slaughterhouse in Iowa nearly half its employees, but it's been a boon to labor recruiters around the country.
After federal immigration agents raided Agriprocessors, Inc., and arrested nearly 400 undocumented workers, Gavino Bravo's phone started ringing.

Suddenly a steady—though mostly illegal—stream of workers willing to toil long hours in difficult conditions for low wages had dried up. And the northeast Iowa meatpacking plant needed hundreds of new employees. Fast.

From a cluttered office suite a block off Main Street in this city near the Mexican border, Bravo, his father Jose and their Bravo Labor Agency set out to fill the void. So far, they've recruited about 200 workers for Agriprocessors, sending them north on buses in batches of 10 to 15.

Bravo and other recruiters applaud the recent crackdowns by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents at jobsites in Iowa, Texas and elsewhere.

"That's great for us—they're going to have to come to us for workers," said Bravo, who is paid a flat fee—he would say how much—for each worker he recruits.

Under normal circumstances, meat processors and other large employers that rely on immigrant labor have little need for outside recruiters. Agriprocessors had established labor supply lines from Mexico, Guatemala and some Eastern European countries.

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employees come to Agriprocessors mainly through word-of-mouth," its company Web site says. "As a result, many of Agriprocessors' new employees found their jobs through family members already working for the company."
But with nearly half its workers jailed and awaiting deportation, those lines were suddenly severed.

"They're just trying to reconstruct the migrant labor supply that was blown to pieces by the raid," said Lourdes Gouveia, director of the Office of Latino/Latin American Studies of the Great Plains at the University of Nebraska-Omaha.

Gouveia, a sociology professor who has studied food processing plants and their ties to immigration, said that while some of the largest companies, such as Tyson Foods, recruit internally, more and more companies depend on outside agencies to refill the labor pool after a raid.

"It happens more with raids because they're desperate," Gouveia said.

The depth of that desperation was apparent in Amarillo earlier this summer, when a recruiter for the Iowa plant cruised homeless shelters and the bus station in search of potential hires.

Cathy Manes, director of employment services at Faith City Ministries in Amarillo, said the recruiter asked if he could discuss job opportunities at Agriprocessors following the shelter's regular chapel service.

Manes said she had questions about the company and safety and welfare of its workers and decided not to recommend the jobs to her clients.

"I didn't want to uproot someone and them be treated poorly," Manes said.

Jacobson Staffing, a temporary worker agency, took over recruitment for the Iowa plant in early June. Ryan Regenold, who oversees the Agriprocessors account for Jacobson, said the Amarillo recruiters were already working for Agriprocessors when Jacobson came on. He said in most cases the Amarillo recruits didn't pan out.

"They were people that came up here looking for a handout," said Ryan Regenold, who oversees the Agriprocessors account. The company offered them bus tickets back to Amarillo and most accepted, he said.

Things went badly for workers another staffing agency sent to Agriprocessors in May.

Ten days after sending about 150 workers to the plant, Labor Ready pulled them out citing concerns over safety conditions, said Stacey Burke, spokeswoman for Labor Ready's parent company, True Blue. She declined to detail the safety issues.

Regenold, however, said Agriprocessors decided to send the Labor Ready workers home after safety incidents.

The spring raid came amid investigations into labor, food safety and environmental violations at the plant. The company has been accused in recent years of mistreating animals and employees.

Labor officials have said they were investigating possible wage violations at the plant and the state has accused Agriprocessors of violating child labor laws.

Since June 2, Jacobson Staffing has supplied about 900 temporary workers to Agriprocessors, with about 480 still on the payroll as of Aug. 1, said Regenold.

Jacobson started with ads in local newspapers, exhausted the labor pool within driving distance and expanded the search, adding another recruiting firm and using four of its own recruiters.

Jacobson runs all of its potential hires through the government's E-Verify system to make sure applicants are in the U.S. legally and are able to work.

The search was easier for Bravo.

His agency ran ads in Spanish-language newspapers and on Mexican radio stations in the Rio Grande Valley and had little trouble finding workers though only about one quarter were skilled in meat processing. Bravo's simple ads only said that the jobs were out of state and the applicants must have permission to work in the U.S. Bravo does not use E-Verify, but requires applicants to show original documents indicating they can work legally in the U.S.

Bravo has been sending laborers to sugar cane fields in Louisiana, dairy farms in Maine and grain silos in South Dakota for years, Bravo said.

The $10 per hour starting wage offered by Agriprocessors is enough to get workers to relocate to Iowa, he said.

"There are not that many opportunities for work here and the opportunities there are, are low paying," Bravo said. A new pile of applications in Bravo's office from friends and relatives of the first batch of workers he sent to Iowa indicate that a new labor pipeline is already forming.

An attempt at comprehensive immigration reform failed late last year amid an immigration crackdown at work sites nationwide. In fiscal year 2007, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents made 4,000 administrative arrests of workers who were in the country illegally and 863 criminal arrests for more serious offenses. The arrests were ten times the number made five years earlier.

Through the first eight months of this fiscal year, ICE has matched the criminal arrests from last year and made 2,900 administrative arrests.

Bravo said business has improved along with enforcement.

"I don't think they'll be able to go back to undocumented workers because they're being scrutinized so much," Bravo said.

"I knew sooner or later it was going to catch up with them," he said.

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Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/17/08 08:31 PM

Increased blood pressure warning..... extra security need at US hospital treating dropped off Mexicans :



U.S. Hospitals Take Mexican Drug Casualties

Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:56 PM

By: Phil Brennan Article Font Size

Mexico's war on drugs is costing American taxpayers big bucks, as the U.S. government is bringing Mexican casualties from the conflict to hospitals north of the border and paying for medical treatment.

According to The Los Angeles Times, El Paso’s Thomason Hospital has treated 28 victims of the Mexican drug war this year, at a cost of about $1 million. The costs are not confined to medical treatment. With the border area becoming a battle zone where drug gangs, seeking to finish the job by pursuing their victims even into hospitals, Thomason has had on occasion been turned into an armed camp.

The Times reported that on three occasions this year, the hospital was placed under maximum security, with local law enforcement providing additional protection for patients, visitors, and employees at the hospital.

Being the only hospital within a 280-mile radius that offers offer state-of-the-art trauma care, Thomason, the Times reported, has become an unwilling treatment center of choice for law enforcement officials and others in the vicinity wounded in Mexico's bloody drug turf battles.

More than 2,000 people have been killed this year, and more than double that number in the 20 months since President Felipe Calderon began deploying 40,000 troops across the country to crack down on narcotics trafficking, the Times recalled.

"We have not accepted these patients. They are brought here. We are mandated by law, federal law, to provide care, a medical assessment and treatment," James Vilenti, Thomason hospital's president and CEO, told KFOX-TV.

Although Valenti said the Mexican government is reimbursing the hospital for most of the patients they send to the U.S., he called on the government for change.

"We need the help of all of our elected official on all levels of the United States to help turn the tide of violence in Mexico and the violence in Juarez. This is a trend that is disturbing. It is a trend that we need to bring attention to so we can get help from federal and local agencies," he said.

El Paso County Sheriff Santiago "Jimmy" Apodaca told the Times he does not like having to pay deputies overtime to guard the hospital when a patient requiring security is brought in. But he has to ensure the safety of El Paso, which was named the second-safest city in the U.S. last year in an independent ranking of cities with more than half a million people. He added that he sees little reason to worry that drug war violence would cross the Rio Grande. But he is taking no chances.

"Bordering on Juarez, the most violent city in Mexico and one of the most violent cities anywhere besides Iraq, you're always vigilant," Apodaca said. "But those people [hit men] down there know who they're after, and they know how to get them."

Valenti, Ron Acton, the hospital’s Board of Managers chairman, and County Commissioner Veronica Escobar have traveled to Washington, D.C., to meet with Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, and leaders from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Customs and Border Protection and the Department of Homeland Security to discuss the issue of people injured in Mexico crossing the border to receive treatment at the hospital, according to the El Paso Times.

"We've received 24 patients related to the violence and the drug cartel, and this is a disturbing trend," Valenti told the Times. "We received a commitment from Congressman Reyes to explore all options of funding to Thomason to offset these costs."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 06:54 AM

Taking the Wheels,

"We don' need no steenkin' liscence"



Link: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/08/16/news/sandiego/zd78aac47e2886daf882574a60074df68.txt

REGION: Impound policy draws controversy
Opinions vary on whether police must take cars from unlicensed drivers
By EDWARD SIFUENTES - Staff Writer | Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:12 PM PDT ∞

71 comment(s) Increase Font Decrease Font email this story print this story Escondido's controversial policy of impounding vehicles seized from unlicensed drivers for 30 days has its roots in the anti-illegal immigrant fervor of the mid-1990s, and it continues today, Latino activists say.

The city has impounded thousands of vehicles from people driving without a license in recent years, according to police records. City officials say they are simply implementing a state law, which they say mandates that the vehicles be impounded for one month.

"We enforce the law as it is written," said Michael McGuinness, Escondido's assistant city attorney.

The law, California Vehicle Code section 14602.6, says that if a police officer determines a person is driving without a license, or the license was revoked or suspended, the person's vehicle "shall be impounded for 30 days."

However, there is disagreement on the interpretation of the law.

The state Legislative counsel said in a 2007 opinion that simply driving without a license was not reason enough to impound a vehicle.

Escondido has strictly enforced the law in recent years through police checkpoints and on routine patrols. Because of those efforts, the city was named in a lawsuit filed by Los Angeles-based civil rights attorneys who allege that the policy is unconstitutional.

Bill Flores, a spokesman for El Grupo, an umbrella group for local civil rights groups, said the policy is also discriminatory.

"They are doing this in the larger context of anti-immigrant and anti-Latino politics," Flores said.

There is no demographic analysis available to document whether most of the people whose cars are impounded are Latino.

The impound law was signed into law in 1994 by then-Gov. Pete Wilson in 1994; it took effect in January 1995.

Nativo Lopez, a prominent Los Angeles-based Latino activist, said that at the time, Wilson was stirring anti-illegal immigrant sentiment among state voters.

Wilson championed the controversial Proposition 187, a 1994 voter-approved initiative that eliminated most state-funded benefits for illegal immigrants, including public education for illegal immigrants' children.

Much of Prop. 187 was later ruled unconstitutional by the courts. But many other laws targeting illegal immigrants enacted by Wilson remain on the books, including a 1994 law barring undocumented immigrants from getting California driver's licenses.

"It's a shame that with all the Latinos elected to office, we haven't been able to turn a corner and turn our back on that legacy," Lopez said Friday.

Lopez's group, the Mexican American Political Association, was one of the main supporters of a 2005 bill that would have overturned the 30-day mandatory impound law.

The measure, Senate Bill 591, was introduced by Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles. A spokeswoman for Cedillo said the senator did not push the bill through because it was considered too politically controversial.

Lopez said he believed that a federal court ruling that year would have made the measure unnecessary, anyway. But he was wrong; many cities continue to enforce it, he said.

In 2005, the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that towing a vehicle merely because a driver is unlicensed is an unreasonable seizure absent a showing that the vehicle posed a threat to public safety.

Despite the ruling, Escondido is only one of many cities around the state strictly enforcing the law.

The lawsuit filed on behalf of about 20 plaintiffs, including two people whose cars were impounded by Escondido police, names Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Riverside and Los Angeles counties and the cities of Riverside, Maywood and Los Angeles as defendants.

McGuinness said the ruling was based on an Oregon law and not the California law.

The lawsuit has strong opposition, even from some unlikely sources. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Los Angeles City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo, both of whom are among the most prominent Latino elected officials in the state, support the impound policy.

Assemblyman Martin Garrick, R-Carlsbad, whose district includes Escondido, said Friday that he also supports the law.

But he added that he does not believe the law mandates that police officers impound the vehicles. Garrick said the law gives the officer discretion on whether to seize the vehicle.

"I think the law is just and correct," he said. "Driving is a privilege, not a right."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 07:03 AM

And for ya'll in the Peach State ( and close by)

......covert ops recruitment

Link: http://www.thedustininmansociety.com/blog/?p=1753

August 16, 2008
Attend the Southeastern open borders summit on amnesty-again in Atlanta and educate your fellow Americans on what you see and hear! WE NEED HELP!
Posted by D.A. King at 11:26 pm [Email the author] [Print This Article] [Email This Article]
Attend the Southeastern open borders summit on amnesty-again in Atlanta and educate your fellow Americans on what you see and hear! WE NEED HELP!

What you can do in Atlanta next month to help stop amnesty…

NEVER FORGET: THE TERM “COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM” IS CODE FOR AMNESTY AND OPEN BORDERS! THE PLAN FROM THE COALITION OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE FAR LEFT IS TO LEGALIZE THE MORE THAN 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS AND OPEN OUR BORDERS TO THE FREE FLOW OF PEOPLE - AND ERASE ANY SEMBLANCE OF A SOVEREIGN NATION WITH A COMMON LANGUAGE.

To the constant questions that come here from Americans who had enough ( ” D.A. -What can I do”? ): Here is something that you can do if you live anywhere near Atlanta:

RSVP to the open borders lobby and attend the upcoming September 11, 2008 seminar on the plan to force another amnesty through Congress next year! We need people to attend this meeting to not only take notes and report what they hear and see, but to hear for themselves the clear agenda of the business lobby in its effort to convince America that there are jobs Americans will not do and that massive immigration and another amnesty is good for our nation. It is not, it would be the end of our beloved country.

What: Daylong strategy session on amnesty.
8:00 AM to 3:00 PM
When: Thursday, Sept. 11, 2008
Where: Marriott Hotel - Atlanta Airport (HERE)
Who is hosting: “Immigration Works USA see their site HERE

AMNESTY DID NOT WORK IN 1986 AND IT WILL NOT WORK IN 2009!

Below is part of the text of the invitation sent out by Tamar Jacoby and the other sell-outs to open borders:

“It’s time to take our efforts to the next level. For nearly two years now, employers of immigrant workers and those who represent them have been coming together in coalitions across the Southeast to work for better immigration law. They’ve won some critical battles, convincing lawmakers in several states to pass pragmatic enforcement measures that business owners can live with. But the fight is far from over.

What’s needed now: a plan for the next round. Ad hoc coalitions need to consolidate. Groups focused till now on state legislative battles need to look ahead to the fight in Washington. Coalitions made up of “grasstops” leaders need to start recruiting at the grassroots – reaching out to ordinary business owners and enlisting them to contact their members of Congress. And together we need to launch a campaign to refocus Congress on fixing the immigration system.

Come to Atlanta to plan. Come to Atlanta to build. Come to Atlanta to plot strategy with likeminded others from across the Southeast.”

Read the entire invitation HERE

We need polite well-dressed people with a professional attitude to quietly attend - you cannot go unless you RSVP to these people and arrange for attendance. If you can, consider taking take an audio recording device. When you send your RSVP, you will get back an e-mail asking your name and organization or business and number in your party - send an honest reply and take a friend. I have replied and am planning on attending - but they may not let me in. We need twenty - thirty people to attend this meeting for a variety of reasons.

I cannot tell you how important this is, please try to take a day from your lives and go to this event!

The open borders crowd reads our alerts and will be warning the hosts of our attendance, but they will have no way of knowing who is on their side and who isn’t if it is played smartly and quietly at the event. PLEASE BE POLITE AND UN-OBTRUSIVE!

I am in hopes that those of you who will plan to attend will e-mail me back and let me know you are going. Afterwards, we will be comparing notes and will make the agenda of the meeting very public, but…I NEED YOUR HELP!

I urge you to watch this video from my friend Roy Beck before you decide on not- going!

MORE on the huge and well-funded, never-ending effort at amnesty HERE
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 07:10 AM

It's been this way for years with illegals driving. Some thought many of these states were wrong, when they let illegals take the written test in Spanish. My state did it, and their concept was that they were going to drive no matter what, at least make certain that they could pass the test.

They were also issued ID (the license) for the first time you could track them, and tell who was who. I understand from the patrol folks in my community, that they're seeing less driving w/o a license and insurance violations, then in years past.

We don't have a veh. seizure law for, driving w/o a license or driving while suspended or *revoked,(*if the revocation is for DUI, you can seize veh, other reasons, no). The only other seizure of veh's are for DUI or drug (felony) offenses.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 07:53 AM

" I understand from the patrol folks in my community, that they're seeing less driving w/o a license and insurance violations, then in years past."


YES.............and a lot more VOTING, as well,.......


WTH, ....they're just poor downtroddens, anyhoo. Why should citizenship stand in the way of driving or voting,.....?

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 08:36 AM

From Chuck Norris,

....this is a good piece of writing

Link: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72657

Butting heads at the border

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Last week a 10-year U.S. Border Patrol veteran shot and wounded a man in the left buttocks who assaulted agents at a violent stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border. Despite that the man was among a group who were trying to illegally enter the United States and were throwing rocks and concrete chunks at agents, officials at the Mexican consulate in San Diego are criticizing the agent and demanding the U.S. conduct a full investigation.

The incident occurred after one agent witnessed and called for backup because three to four illegals were trying to scale the border fence. So four to six more agents responded by using a gate in the fence to get to its south side – still within the U.S. The agents fired pepper balls and tear gas to disperse a group of about seven to 15 people, and most fled. Two of the suspects, however, stayed and threw rocks and concrete chunks toward the Border Patrol agents. Fearing for his safety, one agent fired two rounds from his rifle from about 50 feet away, striking 22-year-old Edgar Israel Ortega Chavez, who then was standing on Mexican soil.

Consul General Remedios Gómez Arnau responded, "Any kind of shooting toward Mexican territory is rejected by the Mexican government. They should have waited for response of the Mexican authorities."

Are you kidding me? Do I smell another Compean and Ramos case in the making? Do illegals think border crossing is nothing more than a game of cat and mouse? Do Mexican officials think we're only playing "rocks, scissors and paper" at the borders? When will we finally draw a line in the sand and stop this insanity at our nation's boundaries? When will we back our agents and their Bill of Rights? When will we give them the complete resources, permissions and support they need to fully carry out their duties?

When Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Daryl Reed reports that there have been 330 assaults on agents already this year, compared with 254 reported incidents in 2007, it's time for our government to ante up and better protect and secure our borders and agents!

Border security is of course so critical because it is about far more than just illegal immigrants. It affects the transport of drugs, gangs (like MS-13), terrorism and even affects issues of sovereignty. That is why I address our border troubles as one of eight major problems threatening America most in my upcoming (Sept. 7 release) book, "Black Belt Patriotism" (Regnery publishing), which is now available for pre-order at Amazon. In the book I give my critique of what is destroying our country, and offer my solutions for rebuilding America and restoring the American dream. In particular, I lean heavily upon our founders' work and wisdom, looking to them for their possible solutions to our present problems.

Here's a first-seen glimpse from the chapter, "Secure and protect our borders," in which I also give (but not here) my solutions to deal with the 12 million or so illegal immigrants already residing in America:

A few years ago I had the opportunity to fly along America's borders with my good friend John Hensley, who was the assistant commissioner of U.S. Customs. We flew on a Black Hawk helicopter and checked out locations along the California border, where there was heavy traffic of drug dealers and illegal aliens coming into the United States from Mexico.
As we were flying over the desert, we landed in the middle of nowhere. We stepped out of the helicopter and John asked me, "What do you see?" I replied, "Absolutely nothing but desert." As soon as I said that, up popped U.S. border agents, who were hiding in holes covered by beige tarps that blended in with the terrain. They were waiting for illegal traffic trying to sneak into our country. I thought, what dedication this takes to hide out here in this intense heat for hours at a time – just waiting.

There's no doubt that Americans possess the resources and passion to close off our borders and ports from illegal immigration and contraband. If we can overthrow another country, we ought to be able to protect our own. Yet to this day, our national borders and ports of entry are like lattice work with plenty of holes through which illegals now come in.

I don't lay the blame on our dedicated border agents. But I do blame an overly bureaucratic government that still has not given agents the proper resources and permissions they need to get their job done. I also blame government for undermining national security by being more concerned with global commerce than national sovereignty. They would rather please the international masses than enforce our own laws.

Let's ask ourselves, why is Congress not securing our borders? Could it be they have greater global goals that will ultimately dissolve this Union? Whether intentionally or not, government has failed for decades to secure the borders. It is up to us to make sure it gets done, by taking several points of action that I'll be outlining in this chapter. The time is now. And if we don't do our part, America as we know it will dissolve like a sugar cube in coffee. From the coastland to the heartland, we will lose our distinctions and no longer even recognize our country. As President Ronald Reagan said, "A nation without borders is not a nation."
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 08:47 AM

 Quote:
In 2005, the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that towing a vehicle merely because a driver is unlicensed is an unreasonable seizure absent a showing that the vehicle posed a threat to public safety.



So what do you do, let the unlicensed driver drive the car away, or leave it there so that you can be sued with the automobile is vandalized or stolen.

The whole premise pisses me off, anyone driving without a license knows they are driving illegally.

I wish we could can the 9th circuit, they have done more harm to California than is imaginable.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 02:54 PM

I guess we should feel thankful that "The Bulk of the fighting" will be done in Mexico..................?!

Other than that one inane gem,........a decent synopsis,


and Mex. does love it's outlaw heroes.

Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/world/5947100.html

Drug cartels from Mexico invading Middle America
Ohio cities prove fertile ground for distribution hubs
By JEREMY SCHWARTZ Cox News Service
Aug. 16, 2008, 5:40PM
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The situation in Ohio reflects a larger national trend: U.S. officials say Mexican cartels operate in at least 195 U.S. cities and dominate the drug trade in every region of the country except for isolated pockets like the Northeast and South Florida.
MEXICO CITY — Powerful and well-organized Mexican drug trafficking groups have seized control of drug distribution throughout Ohio, flooded local markets with increasingly cheap heroin and are using Dayton as a distribution hub for southwestern Ohio and parts of Indiana, local and federal U.S. drug enforcement officials say.

According to an April report by the U.S. Department of Justice's National Drug Intelligence Center, groups connected with the Federation cartel, one of Mexico's two dominant cartels, control distribution in and around Dayton.

The Juarez Cartel, once Mexico's most powerful cartel but significantly weakened in recent years, operates in Hamilton County, according to the report.

"They are very well trained, very well schooled," said John Postlethwaite, coordinator of the Ohio HIDTA, a joint federal, state and local task force, of the Mexican trafficking groups. "It's become a lot harder than it used to be."


Spike in heroin
Drug enforcement officials blame the Mexican traffickers for an alarming spike in the availability of heroin, saying prices have fallen precipitously recently, from about $5,000 per ounce a few years ago to about $1,000 per ounce.

Officials say heroin use has increased, a trend they expect to continue.

A May report by the U.S. Justice Department on drug activity in Ohio predicts heroin abuse will increase among white, suburban users.

"The number of heroin abusers will very likely grow as more abusers of prescription opioids switch to heroin in the face of increasing Mexican heroin availability throughout the region," the report reads.

It goes on to say that in Dayton, Mexican traffickers have replaced African-American gangs as the primary wholesale distributors of cocaine, marijuana and heroin.

Ohio officials say Mexican groups increasingly are bypassing traditional distribution hubs like Chicago and Detroit and moving drugs directly from the border to Ohio cities.

Todd Spradling, the resident agent in charge of the Dayton DEA office, said that smaller cities like Dayton and Columbus have become more attractive to trafficking organizations. "A lot of the organizations have shifted from larger cities to smaller cities to avoid detection," he said.


Mexican cartels dominate
In the last decade, Mexican cartels have surpassed Colombian traffickers as the ascendant force in the hemisphere: as they have moved into the United States they have also taken control of Central American trafficking routes and now dominate the market in South American countries like Peru, according to law enforcement officials.

"Their idea is to control the whole economic process of production and distribution," said Georgina Sanchez, an independent security consultant in Mexico and executive director of a public safety think tank.

In Dayton, officials say Mexican traffickers are connected to the Federation, a loose group of trafficking organizations based in the state of Sinaloa. The Federation has fought a brutal, three-year war with its primary rival — the Gulf Cartel — for control of smuggling routes to the United States.

Its leader is Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, Mexico's most notorious drug capo, who attained an almost mythical stature after escaping from a federal prison in 2001. In recent months, the Federation, which officials say controls Pacific smuggling routes from Central America, has been torn apart by an internal feud that officials say is responsible for a spike in violence in Sinaloa.

Since Mexican President Felipe Calderon directed the Mexican military to confront the cartels in 2006, nearly 7,000 people, including hundreds of Mexican police and officials, have been killed in the drug violence.


Very organized
Ricardo Ravelo, the author of several books on Mexican cartels and an investigative reporter for Proceso magazine in Mexico, said the Federation is well organized on the American side of the border. "I'm talking about distribution as well as the collection of profits, money laundering and smuggling money back to Mexico," he said.

Analysts fear the cartels will bring peripheral cash-generating crime like kidnapping, extortion and protection rackets, problems that are all too common in Mexico.

"The U.S. will begin to see a little of the same conflict that is happening in Mexico," Sanchez said. "If (the cartels) already have methods, and ways of diversifying into other crimes, it's normal that they won't stop at the border."

While some cartel violence has spilled across the border, mostly along the border and in large cities like Dallas and Atlanta, experts say it's unlikely the U.S. will see the large-scale drug wars that have paralyzed various Mexican cities and forced Calderon to send about 25,000 federal troops to confront the cartels.

Carlos Humberto Toledo, a military affairs expert in Mexico City, predicted the cartels will continue to fight their major battles within Mexico.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 08:38 PM

Some of the comments on this link are almost unbelievable,

....more BPM ( Blood Pressure Meds)territory, for sure.

worth suffering through regardless,.....a good look at ,

....the "Bleeding Heart"

Watched the choppers,in orbit over this monkeyshines,.....

I'm just North of the Coranado

Link: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/08/18/20080818migrants-caught0818-ON.html

Border agents catch 62 illegal immigrants
46 commentsAug. 18, 2008 02:11 PM
Associated Press
TUCSON - U.S. Border Patrol agents working near Naco have caught a large group of illegal immigrants.

Agents were patrolling west of the port of entry at Naco on Saturday when they discovered a series of footprints. That led them to believe that a group comprised of a large number of people had crossed into the country from Mexico.

Spokesman Rob Daniels said Monday that the agents tracked the footprints and came across 62 illegal immigrants in the Coronado National Memorial.
He says some people believed to be guides broke off and fled back into Mexico.

Most of the group stayed in place and were taken into custody, with 55 of them processed for repatriation to Mexico.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 08:42 PM

Crap,.....we talk about "Cold War"

.....so WTF is this?

Link: http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_10232557

Cartels, Mexican army blamed for interference
By Diana Washington Valdez / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 08/18/2008 12:00:00 AM MDT


El Paso police Officer Melody Castro communicated with police dispatch Friday while patrolling Central El Paso. Police officials say drug cartels and the Mexican military are interrupting their communications. (Mark Lambie / El Paso Times)
Related: Violence claims 800
Related: Gunmen kill at least 14 at benefit race
More: For past stories on Juarez crisis
EL PASO -- The Mexican army and drug cartel operatives are among the likely sources of recent interference with El Paso police communications and the Digital El Paso wireless network, city officials said.

"The increased interference that resulted in dead zones or dead spots coincided with the arrival of the Mexican army in Juárez," said Gary Gordier, the city's information technology director. "They were affecting police and other emergency communications."

Dead zones occur when radio messages cannot be sent or received due to radio frequency interference.

The police, Sheriff's Office, Fire Department and Emergency Medical Services operate on frequencies in the 800 megahertz spectrum, but apparently, other radio operators in Juárez also were using the same spectrum.

"The drug cartel is probably the other source causing interference on the 800 spectrum, which is used in the United States for public safety communications," Gordier said.

And, just as the radio frequency


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interference became an issue, usage of the Digital El Paso wireless network began to drop.
Southwest city Rep. Beto O'Rourke said members of the Chihuahuita Neighborhood Association told him they were having trouble with the network.

Users complained the system was too slow and others couldn't get on at all.

"The Information Technology Department believed the (Digital El Paso) network was having problems from the stepped-up federal and narco trafficking communications across the border. Their networks were competing with ours," O'Rourke said.

Digital El Paso is a collaborative of the city, county and other public entities and the private sector that provides a free wireless access network in Central El Paso.

"It's mission-critical to be able to communicate with the fire and (ambulance) units, especially when there's an incident," said Fire Communications Lt. Victor Arreola, who's aware of the dead spots. "(The Information Technology Department) has been doing surveys to find the sources of the interference."

Arreola said the center has a backup system it can use in case of serious interference.

Beginning in April, about 2,000 Mexican soldiers and 500 federal officers were deployed to Chihuahua state, most of them to Juárez, to crack down on the violence suspected to be linked to warring drug cartels.

As a result, the volume of communications at the border by radio, cell phones and Internet increased dramatically in a short time.

Alleged drug cartel operatives also launched numerous YouTube and other Internet videos, to boast of their activities in Chihuahua state, convey threats, report murders and accuse officials of protecting rival drug dealers.

One such Internet video has received more than 320,000 hits and posted more than 1,000 comments. Such sites, with images and music, hog up a lot of bandwidth, and can be administered and updated from both sides of the border.

After investigating, the city's Information Technology Department discovered the number of "rogue" digital sites (also called "hot spots") in Central El Paso had increased from 75 to 600 in less than two months.

Rogue sites are operators -- individuals, businesses or other entities -- that broadcast using a WiFi antenna.

Some of the problems with the Digital El Paso network were traced to certain cell- phone providers, who after consultations with their representatives, agreed to adjust their antennas.

The Federal Communications Commission got involved in the cross-border issues and contacted its Mexican counterparts, who also agreed to make changes.

However, neither the FCC nor Mexican authorities could do anything about clandestine operators.

In Juárez, police dispatchers were forced to change radio frequencies after alleged drug cartel operatives kept breaking into their communications with threats and taunts.

Gordier said El Paso's secure police communications cannot be compromised because they are encrypted; however, anyone with a scanner can listen to most public dispatch communications.

Emergency officials in New Mexico also have reported problems. According to the Web site http://www.emsresponder.com, "New Mexico EMS departments are facing communications issues that few others could imagine: radio interference from Mexican taxicabs."

Several years ago, radio antennas traced to Juárez were blamed for remote-controlled garage doors in El Paso opening by themselves.

City officials said the sudden surge in radio and wireless usage has raised the level of El Paso's "noise floor" or the total electronic signals from all sources that contribute to radio frequency interference.

"It a sign of our times and of our border location," Gordier said.

He said most of the Digital El Paso issues were solved, "and there's been progress on the radio frequency interference."

Diana Washington Valdez may be reached at dvaldez@elpasotimes
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 09:19 PM

Sounds like an interesting event,......




Link: "Border Truth USA" to Screen Thursday
ABP To Make Presentation at Security Convention

American Patrol Report -- August 18
Attend this conference! Call (303) 520-3347

Numerous federal, state, and local legislators, veterans, citizens, and nationally-recognized experts will gather at a three-day conference on National Security to be held beginning Thursday in Denver.
Sponsored by the Fire Coalition and others, the conference will include a presentation by American Border Patrol. It will include the premiere of "Border Truth USA," a High Definition video tour of the border using aerial video footage shot in late July.
ABP's Operation Virtual Vigilance will be also be demonstrated as two border camera systems are controlled over the Internet. The presentation will be made by Glenn Spencer, aided by Mike Christie and Melissa Jaramillo of ABP.
For information, call 303-520-3347.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/18/08 09:21 PM

Phew,....this is pretty awful,....

I mean, what do you say to this ?

43 dead in three days as Mexico violence escalates Mon Aug 18, 7:44 PM ET



CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AFP) - At least 43 people died in violent attacks in the last three days in the northern Mexico state of Chihuahua, the scene of ongoing drug gang turf wars, police said Monday.

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Thirteen males, aged between 18 and 41, died in separate attacks on Monday, mostly in the flashpoint city of Ciudad Juarez on the US border, local police said.

Assassins killed nine people overnight Sunday in the city, following the slaying of 21 people the previous night, including 14 in a massacre at a family gathering in the western Chihuahua town of Creel.

Violence has escalated throughout the country since President Felipe Calderon, who took office at the end of 2006, launched a military crackdown on drug trafficking.

A baby was one of the 14 murdered in Saturday's shooting in Creel, believed to be part of a drug gang feud.

"Armed men, travelling in at least three vans and carrying heavy-duty weapons, fired on some 20 people who were leaving the town's dance hall," local police said.

Creel, in the Sierra Tarahumara mountains near Mexico's Copper Canyon, is on the main drug route from Mexico to the United States, but had previously registered only one violent death this year.

The assassins used AK-47 rifles, often used by drug gang hitmen, but authorities gave no motive for the crime.

Seven others were killed overnight Saturday, including five in Ciudad Juarez, one in the state capital Chihuahua and another in the town of Guadalupe.

Ciudad Juarez -- across the Rio Grande from El Paso, Texas -- has the highest murder toll of the country this year, with some 800 killed, according to an AFP count.

The Juarez drug cartel is fighting a turf war for control of Chihuahua state and its key drug routes to the United States with the Sinaloa cartel, from the neighboring state further south.

More than 3,000 families have fled Ciudad Juarez for the United States this year, a border expert said last week, following a deadly attack on a mass in a drug rehabilitation center in which gunmen killed nine people.

Drug-related violence throughout Mexico has killed 2,682 people since the start of the year -- nine more than in all of 2007 -- with nearly half in Chihuahua state, daily El Universal reported Saturday.

Federal authorities have deployed more than 36,000 soldiers across the country since early 2007, including 2,500 in Ciudad Juarez, as part of efforts to combat drug trafficking and related violence.

The US government has approved a 1.6-billion-dollar, three-year package of anti-drug assistance to Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean known as the Merida Initiative, a large part of which is expected to strengthen Calderon's efforts.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 07:11 AM

Believe me there's probably a LOT more out there "discovery pending"

......seems that keeping track of count is becoming difficult


***************************


Sixteen bodies or twelve bodies? Who do you believe?


The article, linked below, from the Arizona Daily Star concerning the finding of two bodies in Cochise County says that those two brought the total for the county to 14 for the year.


The article from the Sierra Vista Herald, linked below, outlining those two plus two more says the total including all four is 12.


So is it sixteen or twelve? This goes to evaluating the credibility of the information released by the Cochise County Sheriff’s Department and just how aware they are of the activities in the county.


Arizona Daily Star Sierra Vista Herald
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 07:35 AM

Giving Mexico and many other Central American countries money to fight drugs is a waste, cause it'll be wasted on other things. I've heard of rebuilt UH-1 Hueys with sprayers to spray herbicide on marijuana, come out of the US Army Aviation Maintenance Facility, in Corpus Christi, TX. that were to be given to the Mex. Govt. This was told to me by US Army personnel assigned to the facility.

The aircraft went to the Mex. Govt. the aircraft came up missing, they were sold by there own currupt govt. officials. This was one of the issues that the DEA agent that was kidnapped and murdered was reporting back to WA. DC.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 08:45 AM



" Apparently seeking the brighter side of the wave of violence that has rocked the state of Sinaloa, El Debate notes that the funeral business has had a rise in profits of some 35% due to the increase in murders."

...................................??!!

"Cancún, Quintana Roo has fallen into the hands of the Russian Mafia and Cuban-Americans [sometimes described as the Miami Mafia]. The Cubans deal mainly in human smuggling and the Russians in arms and prostitution."

......Yup, ain't that just ducky

GTC

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Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/mexican-citizens-feeling-the-insecurities-of-crime/


Mexico - the “king” of kidnappings!Mexican citizens feeling the insecurities of crime
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The National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers (NAFBPO) extracts and condenses the material that follows from Mexican and Central and South American on-line media sources on a daily basis. You are free to disseminate this information, but we request that you credit NAFBPO as being the provider.

Saturday, 8/16/08


El Universal (Mexico City) 8/16/08
Several articles focused on resolving the national feeling of insecurity and the government’s proposed measures to combat organized crime, especially the widespread kidnapping for ransom.
- César Camacho Quiroz (PRI party), president of the Justice Commission, said that the problem of insecurityy in Mexico will not be resolved by stiffer penalties but by eradicating impunity, as only 2 of 10 crimes are reported.
- Editorial excerpt: The cry of ¡Ya basta! (Enough!) against insecurity is gaining support throughout the country. The organization, Mexico United against Crime, has received strong support to is call for authorities at all levels to coordinate efforts to confront crime.
- A shootout between police and robbers in a gambling hall in Chetumal, Quintana Roo left one dead , four arrested and a hostage wounded. One of those arrested was an ex-policeman
- The vice-president of a national employers group announced that the popular resort town of Cancún, Quintana Roo has fallen into the hands of the Russian Mafia and Cuban-Americans [sometimes described as the Miami Mafia]. The Cubans deal mainly in human smuggling and the Russians in arms and prostitution.
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Prensa Libre ( Guatemala City, Guat.) 8/16/08
- A radio station in Chiquimula, Guatemala, is airing this ad: ” We offer trips to the north, in quality buses, and it is only necessary to walk one hour at the border with Mexico. We take you only if you have relatives in the U.S., but we guarantee your arrival. ” The people traffickers then “shamelessly” furnish their phone number; “due to the fact that in the eastern portion of the country there is great interest in emigration, people go for whatever is available.” The radio station manager said that the ads are by a well known party who also uses other radio stations. ”Other small ads are placed in different printed media, many times disguised as excursions or vacations.” Donald Gonzalez, an Immigration spokesman, said “This is nothing new, but the only thing these souces haven’t yet said is ‘I’m a coyote’ “
- A wave of violence caused ten homicides in the capital city & outlying areas, including that of two Mexicans. Most events involved gunfire.
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El Comercio, Correo, and RP (all in Lima, Peru 8/16/0
These sources carried a curious report about a couple of sacks being found dumped out on the street in an industrial area of Callao, the seaport of Lima. The contents : one hundred fourteen 60 mm. mortar shells, of Russian manufacture, some of them in perfect condition. No one can figure out how or why they ended up there. The finder called police; the police called the army; the army took them away. Rechecking the story later, the portion about Russian manufacture had been deleted, but was in at least one source originally. Some reports called them “war grenades” and added a comment by a military person in Peru stating that the shells have a destructive radius of 40 meters.
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Sunday, 8/17/08
El Debate (Sinaloa) 8/17/08
- As part of Joint Operation Culiacán-Navolato, the Mexican military, searching an uninhabited house in Culiacán, discovered and seized an arsenal consisting of 8 rifles, 18 pistols, 21 ammo clips for pistols, 9 ammo clips for AK-47s, R-15s and M-16s as well as drum cartridge loaders and 1,283 cartridges of different calibers. Five of the pistols were “encrusted” with precious stones and gold. Also seized were 150 parcels of dollar bills of different denominations. The money has not yet been counted, but estimated in the thousands of dollars.
- Mexican Army assigned to traffic checkpoints in Culiacán, stopped and disarmed a group of municipal police for failure to have written authorization with them for being armed.
- Apparently seeking the brighter side of the wave of violence that has rocked the state of Sinaloa, El Debate notes that the funeral business has had a rise in profits of some 35% due to the increase in murders.
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Norte (Cd. Juárez, Chihuahua) 8/17/08
At least 10 people, including a 4-year-old, are reported killed in a shootout in Creel, Chihuahua, a tourist town near the Copper Canyon area. According to police accounts, a group of some 20 people were leaving a dance hall when an armed group in at least three vehicles opened fire on them with assault rifles and pistols.
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Frontera (Tijuana, Baja California) 8/17/08
The governor of the state of Veracruz, Fidel Herrera, considers this the time for Mexico to create a national police to attack organized crime. ”Our proposal is to unify commands and strategies. Perhaps the moment has arrived to have only one national police like those in France, Italy, and many democratic countries of the world,” he asserted.
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Monday, 8/18/08


El Universal (Mexico City) 8/18/08
- A total of 26 homicides related to organized crime occurred over the weekend, 20 in Chihuahua, 3 in Baja California and one each in Sinaloa, Durango and Colima. This count includes the count in Creel reported yesterday, the official total in that incident is 13 dead including a 1-year-old.
- The Army has suffered 60 killed in action in the anti-drug war so far during the present administration of President Felipe Calderón.
- In its editorial, El Universal suggests that it would be advisable for the government to take advantage of public indignation over recent crimes in order to put into effect more ambitious measures against narcotraffic. In his opinion column, Jacobo Zabludovsky laments that Mexico stays the same through every administration, always confronting problems superficially, without any depth of analysis. Demetrio Sodi, in his column, wonders if this is just another presidential term wasted in combatting public insecurity.
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El Diario de Coahuila (Saltillo, Coahuila) 8/18/08
So far this year, 62 kidnappings for ransom have been reported in the state of Mexico. This has resulted in the arrests of 68 kidnappers during the past four months, putting two criminal bands out of business. The Attorney General’s office (PGR) reports that there are an average of 64 kidnappings per month in the country.
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La Jornada (Mexico City) 8/18/08
Five subjects who tried to pass themselves off as federal officers in order to kidnap a businessman in Tlapanalá, Puebla were captured by the citizens of the town, beat up and were nearly lynched before authorities negotiated their release to official custody. Three of the five suffered major injuries during their custody following the “citizens arrest.” The photo relates.


- end of report -
Posted by: bcolorado

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 12:14 PM

a liitle humor to interupt such a serious topic........


This should be in The Onion....

A secret source in the military has confirmed that they are now taking advantage of our undocumented worker resource. The program is called operation "PINATA". While the enemy is under frontal attack a covert operation takes place from the rear. Using tactics gained from experience at construction sites throughout the US the undocumented patrol will rob the enemy blind.

The enemy will be left defenceless without supplies. The only limitation so far is the access to the enemy cannot be anymore than a shallow river that can be easily walked across.

Film at 11................................
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 08:59 PM

Thank you , B......we should grin and goof off on this detail.

This is a good post,....

I like Jeanie's style, she's got cojones enough to state the obvious,........

Cojones,....that's the wrong metaphor,....?

certainly no offence to Jeannie expressed / implied.

Link:

http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/64893/

Anti-illegal-immigration rally held
By Tom Treweek Staff Writer // tomt@nwanews.com

Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008

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ROGERS - Jeannie Bulsworth, the founder and chairwoman of the antiillegal-immigration group Secure Arkansas, described Monday night the problems illegals are making in America.

Not everyone shared Bulsworth's vision. Two people at the small gathering at the Rogers Public Library left after 15 minutes without a look back, leaving 13 people in the audience.

Bulsworth did not mince words.

"I think we are being targeted by the Mexican government," she said after noting the programs for illegal immigrants that have been passed by the American government.

She targeted the elected officials she blames for inaction.

"Vote 'em out," Bulsworth said. "We the people put 'em in there. We the people can get 'em out of there."

"I don't want to leave the decisions over to the Mexican consulate," she said. "We don't want to leave the decisions up to the drug smugglers. We don't want it up to the terrorists (and gangs ).

"I'm taking it to you all - you all are the ones who can make a difference," she said. "You're good people, and you've been abused enough in here."

She gave the audience members the tools of organization, of writing letters and making calls, of putting pressure on those in government. She encouraged them to force action in Benton County and northwest Arkansas.

"If it doesn't happen locally, it doesn't happen," Bulsworth said.

Bulsworth highlighted the costs she saw, the price of accommodating the illegals she wants to expel from Arkansas.

"We can't build enough schools. We can't build enough prisons," Bulsworth said. "We've got expenditures we're not even considering."

She didn't ask for much: a few signatures, a Benton County Secure America director, a secretary-treasurer. Bulsworth asked audience members to talk to their friends and their neighbors to let them know about the effort.

"All we need is a little bit done here, … just a little bit," she said. "It's just push the door open and watch what comes through."
Posted by: Ruger 4570

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 09:18 PM

I don't know why anyone is bothering to discuss this issue. The Federal Gomerment which was originally charged with nothing other than "protecting" our borders could today "shive a git". That was their primary purpose way back in the 1700's, WTF happened? NOBODY in the Gomerment really cares to secure our borders, I just don't understand their reason. Much like $ 4.00 a gallon gas when we have all the oil we need HERE and yet we cannot drill and produce.
The Gomerment must know something far beyond our ability to comprehend.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 09:27 PM

 Originally Posted By: Ruger 4570
I don't know why anyone is bothering to discuss this issue. The Federal Gomerment which was originally charged with nothing other than "protecting" our borders could today "shive a git". That was their primary purpose way back in the 1700's, WTF happened? NOBODY in the Gomerment really cares to secure our borders, I just don't understand their reason. Much like $ 4.00 a gallon gas when we have all the oil we need HERE and yet we cannot drill and produce.
The Gomerment must know something far beyond our ability to comprehend.


" I don't know why anyone is bothering to discuss this issue."

Well, I intend to keep bombarding you with this "ISSUE"
.......and daily evolutions thereof.
If you don;'t like it, give me my money and run me off.

.....been run offa' bigger outfits than this,....bwa-ha.

Wouldn't occur to anybody that this is all just random chaotic disonensce,........no "Grand Scheme / Master Plan ",......

of course, maybe Fox has a pictire of ole' W. gettin' it on when he was younger / wilder,....and ran into Mex.

" I don't know why anyone is bothering to discuss this issue."

Guess you'll have to keep wondering,.......I KNOW why I'm putting alla' this up, and believe me,....it's no bother.

see ya' on the wall.

GTC
Posted by: bcolorado

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/19/08 10:04 PM

I work in the construction industry. First INS raid I saw was in '83. I have lost close to 20 grand in tools on the job.

I really can't wrap my mind around what our govt isn't doing.

Met an illegal Guatamalan on a job.... he stated that he is an american and has just as much right to be here as I do. There was no challenging his mindset. The propaganda runs deep that it is their "right" and our govt and employers promote it.

We need to hold our folks in congress accountable. We need to throw the bums out and replace them with those that have more than their careers and self interest at the top of ther agenda.
Posted by: Plinker

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 05:48 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Well, I intend to keep bombarding you with this "ISSUE"
.......and daily evolutions thereof.


While I appreciate the sentiment, I do not read these long copy and paste posts. It's just too much to chew on.

Carry on.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 07:01 AM

Well, you can click on the "Links" and most time see pictures too.

Hell, livin' in SoCal, you've got a handle on what's goin' on anyhoo.

.........Correct?

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 12:40 PM

Every Damn day,...on that stretch of the I-10



***********************

DPS officer injured trying to stop fleeing truck near Benson
The Associated Press

Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.19.2008





An officer was injured Tuesday morning while deploying a spike strip in an effort to stop a truck that was fleeing from police on Interstate 10 near Benson.



At 9:09 a.m., an Arizona Department of Public Safety Officer attempted to stop a Chevrolet pickup truck on westbound I-10 at milepost 295 for speeding and a tint violation, according to Officer Robert Bailey, an agency spokesman.



When the driver refused to stop, a nine-minute pursuit ensued during which the truck’s tires were spiked, he said.



The spike strip slowed the vehicle down, but when officers realized that there were approximately six or seven suspected illegal immigrants in the back and another two or three in the front, the pursuit was terminated, Bailey said.



The truck went off the roadway and the DPS contacted the Border Patrol to let the agency know that the occupants may have bailed in the desert, Bailey said.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 12:46 PM

Watch this TV news outta' El Paso,........

both the "Expert" opinion,....and the need to NUMBER every cartridge case that hits the ground ( safer than chasin' shooters, I must admit,.......Hay Meng I no chase joo,.....I just count jur boolits )

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/MISCNEWS/2006-UP/E-MAIL/080820-JuarezMayhem.html
Posted by: Ruger 4570

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 01:57 PM

Crossfire: I didn't mean you shouldn't discuss it, I meant, we are just wasting our efforts if the Gooberment won't listen and perform. I lived a long time in Tucson so I am familiar with the problem that only gets worse with NO intervention by the Politicians supposedly in charge. Again, no offense to you meant.
Posted by: RickyD

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 03:38 PM

 Quote:
Met an illegal Guatamalan on a job.... he stated that he is an american and has just as much right to be here as I do. There was no challenging his mindset.
Very true. I don't believe I've ever reviewed an application that didn't have the "United States Citizen" box checked, even though they show all education in Mexico and are about 20 years old and can't speak English.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 07:54 PM

It ain't just dope,....be REAL careful of anything outta' Sinaloa or Jalisco ( furniture, like)

Just fulla' those transluscent Amber Scorpions,...that hit like a Mack truck,....WAY worse than anything here domestic.

Link: http://www.kpho.com/news/17244659/detail.html

CBP Officers Find Pot In Furniture
Pot Has Estimated Street Value Of $2.7 Million

POSTED: 11:08 am MST August 20, 2008
UPDATED: 12:05 pm MST August 20, 2008


NACO, Ariz. -- U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers foiled a creative smuggling attempt at the Naco Port of Entry on Tuesday when they discovered 1,595 packages of marijuana hidden inside wooden entertainment centers coming from Mexico, authorities said.

"This type of deep, sophisticated concealment is a sign of how much effort drug trafficking organizations must go through in an attempt to smuggle illicit drugs past our officers," said Port Director Al Acuna. "Our officers have proven they are up to the challenge."

Officers screening commercial imports from Mexico entering through the Naco Port of Entry chose a shipment of wooden entertainment centers for intensive inspection based on suspicions raised during an examination of paperwork, questions asked of the driver and a quick inspection of the items.

Officers searching one of the entertainment centers discovered packages of marijuana hidden within the structure of the piece, and as they continued their inspection of the other items, discovered they were all concealing packages of marijuana.

Over a period of several hours, officers disassembled the furniture and removed 1,595 packages of marijuana, weighing almost 1,650 pounds. The estimated street value of the seized drugs is more than $2.7 million.

The driver of the vehicle was arrested and turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement for further investigation.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 08:58 PM

The USBP can hold up truck traffic at the border for days. I was in El Paso i had dropped off a trailer full of windshields from a Ford glass plant in Nashville, going to a Ford Plant, south of the Border. I was told it was going to be a drop and hook load, the trailer i was to pick up had been held at the border for inspection, about two days later i am finally Eastbound.
Posted by: Plinker

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/20/08 09:32 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Hell, livin' in SoCal, you've got a handle on what's goin' on anyhoo.

.........Correct?

GTC


Si!
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/21/08 07:08 AM

Wall Street Journal goes after "Anchor" concept

Why are we not surprised at "Fraud".....?

Well, good on the State Dept. for calling Whoa

Shame to see good will and compassion abused,.....Minnesota really DOES need more Somalians..............?


Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121919647430755373.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


Refugee Program Halted
As DNA Tests Show Fraud
Thousands in Africa
Lied about Families
To Gain U.S. Entry
By MIRIAM JORDAN
August 20, 2008; Page A3

The State Department has suspended a humanitarian program to reunite thousands of African refugees with relatives in the U.S. after unprecedented DNA testing by the government revealed widespread fraud.


Associated Press
The U.S. has halted refugee arrivals from East Africa, where hundreds of thousands of people have been stranded since civil war erupted in the 1990s.
The freeze affects refugees in Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, Guinea and Ghana, many of whom have been waiting years to emigrate. The State Department says it began DNA testing with a pilot program launched in February to verify blood ties among African refugees. Tests found some applicants lied about belonging to the same family to gain a better chance at legal entry.

The U.S. has responded by halting refugee arrivals from East Africa, where hundreds of thousands of people have been stranded in precarious conditions since civil war erupted in the early 1990s. The temporary suspension has generated panic in African communities in the U.S., where thousands wait to be joined by relatives.

Typically, a refugee already living in the U.S., a so-called anchor, is entitled to apply for permission to bring a spouse, minor children, parents and siblings. The process requires interviews, medical examinations and security screening.

But suspicion has grown in recent years that unrelated Africans were posing as family members to gain entry. "This program is designed for people to reunify with family members" already in the U.S., says Barbara Strack, director of the refugee division at U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services. "We wanted to have empirical data" to confirm suspected fraud, she says.

In February, the State Department launched pilot testing in Kenya to verify family relationships, mainly among Somalis. When applicants arrived for a previously scheduled appointment, a U.S. official asked them to volunteer for a DNA test.

An expert then swabbed the cheek of those who claimed biological relationships, such as a mother and her purported children.


The cell samples were sent to labs in the U.S. for analysis.

As word spread, some applicants began missing appointments, and others refused to cooperate.

Laboratory analysis of the samples indicated a large portion of applicants weren't blood relations, as they claimed. "The results were dismaying," says Ms. Strack. "This told us we had a problem with the program."

The results prompted expansion of the testing to other countries. "We had high rates of fraud everywhere, except the Ivory Coast," says a State Department official.

In late April, the government decided to temporarily halt the family reunification resettlement program for East Africans. A government official confirms that "many thousands of people" are affected by the suspension, particularly Somalis and Ethiopians.

Refugee resettlement agencies report that arrivals have slowed to a trickle.

In Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minn., home to the country's largest East African population, Catholic Charities hasn't handled a single family reunification case since March 19. The agency has resettled 35 East African families this year, compared with more than 450 last year and about 1,300 in 2006. "Everyone is calling or walking in here and asking what is going on," says Angela Fox, a resettlement worker at Catholic Charities.

Some refugees received a notice from U.S. authorities advising them that their case is on hold because relatives didn't show up for a scheduled interview or they refused to supply a DNA sample.

Those who agreed to take the test are also in limbo.

Abdirahman Dhunkal, who hails from Somalia, petitioned in early 2005 for his father, mother and six siblings who are in Kenya to join him in Minnesota.

Their case was approved in late 2006, but Mr. Dhunkal says that his family was asked to take a DNA test earlier this year. Since the cell samples were collected, "nothing has happened. We are still waiting," says Mr. Dhunkal, 31, who hasn't seen his family in 14 years.

The government testing has raised questions about using DNA as an immigration tool.

"No one condones people gaining entry by false means; the integrity of the program must be ensured," says Bob Carey, chair of Refugee Council USA, a coalition of U.S. agencies that work on refugee issues, and vice president of resettlement for the International Rescue Committee. However, he adds, "DNA is not the only means to assess family relationships."

Refugee advocates say the definition of family among Africans extends beyond blood relatives, especially when families fleeing persecution are scattered. "Some families are raising children who aren't their own but whom they call son or daughter," says Ms. Fox of Catholic Charities.

Refugee slots are precious. The world's uprooted people are estimated to number 37 million; only about 1% are resettled. As the largest recipient, the U.S. absorbs about half of all refugees who are resettled.

Such demand "creates an incentive to get past the system," says Ralston H. Deffenbaugh Jr., president of Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services. "Desperation makes people more susceptible to abuse or bribery."

To be approved as a refugee, an applicant must establish that he or she has suffered persecution or has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, creed or origin.

Between Oct. 1, 2007, and Aug. 13 of this year, the U.S. admitted 45,644 refugees. For the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2008, the Bush administration set a ceiling for African refugees at 16,000. But by Aug. 13, only 6,780 Africans had been admitted.

Family unity has long been a pillar of U.S. refugee admissions, with relatives accorded priority. U.S. officials say the government must balance a need to ensure the integrity of the program with the desire to let in vulnerable refugees.

The government hasn't decided whether to expand testing to compare the DNA of relatives in the U.S. with those abroad to verify kinship.

Write to Miriam Jordan at miriam.jordan@wsj.com
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/21/08 07:33 AM

ALL IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE SUSPENDED until we can find a way to do it right, if you are a felon illegal immigrant, I would be okay with dropping them off the nearest tall building, the rest, send them home. Les
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/21/08 07:52 AM

I can't help but agree with Roger Plank's evaluation at the bottom of this article..........

Seems that with other "Sanctuary Cities" examining the folly of their past actions and policies,.....Tucson is just wildly trying to charge willy nilly into the gap.........and pursue their own dream of La-La land.

We will undoudtedly see more mayhem there, and ya'll bear in mind ,....this is where Enriques Co-Worker was senslessly gunned down last week.

" Relax the rules ",.......?

STUPID Decision...........

GTC





Police chief eyes new policy on entrant reports
By Eric Swedlund

arizona daily star

Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.16.2008



Tucson Police Chief Kermit Miller is proposing a revision to the department's policies that outlines specifically the circumstances that call for officers to report illegal immigrants to federal authorities.

The new policy effectively would remove the discretion the department has been giving officers to make "case-by-case" decisions about when to call immigration officials.



"Once the policy goes into effect and the officers are trained, it will be clear to them what cases they notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement and what ones they don't," said Sgt. Fabian Pacheco, a department spokesman.



"If there is any doubt, there are patrol supervisors who will be called out to the scene to work through the situation."



The new policy, which is a revision to the department's General Orders and does not require City Council approval, states that crime victims and witnesses who are undocumented immigrants won't be reported to federal officials and neither will those stopped for civil traffic violations.



"Here's the driving force behind this — we want to be careful that we don't create an underclass of victims who won't report crimes out of fear because they happen to be in the U.S. illegally," Pacheco said.



"We're not in the business of enforcing federal immigration laws," Pacheco said.

"We're in the business of investigating crimes, and we want victims to feel that when they're victimized, they can report those incidents to the local police and they will be aggressively investigated," he said.



Officers would be required to report all undocumented immigrants, including juveniles, arrested on suspicion of criminal activity, even for misdemeanor cite-and-release type violations.

"What prompted this was an effort within the Tucson Police Department to be in line with what other municipal law enforcement agencies across the state and across the United States are doing," Pacheco said.



"This is a progressive policy that most police departments accept. We understand that none of these law enforcement agencies, including us, really have the resources to get involved in enforcing federal immigration law."



Pacheco said the change would go into effect "soon."



Scrutiny on Tucson police's immigration policies intensified in November after a high school student and his family were deported. That sprang from Tucson police's notifying the Border Patrol while investigating marijuana found in the student's backpack at school.



Jennifer Allen, executive director of the Border Action Network, said the policy has some strong points but also has provisions the immigrant-rights group considers unacceptable.



Allen said that under Tucson police's discretionary policy, traffic stops were the majority of incidents that Border Action Network cited as abuses in a report issued to the department.



"The fact that they explicitly prohibit inquiries under those circumstances is a huge step forward in ensuring accountability and making sure people can trust law enforcement," Allen said.

The requirements to report juveniles who are arrested or those cited on field-release violations are two parts of the policy Allen said she wants changed.



Roger Plank, Tucson chapter director for the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps, criticized the Police Department for not requiring officers to report all undocumented immigrants.



"They don't have a choice to pick and choose which laws they're going to enforce," he said. "To come up with this policy of witnesses and victims and everything else is moot when you look at the overall scheme of things. It negates that argument of only separating out the criminals because they're already criminals by entering the country illegally.



"I don't understand how that helps us become more secure as a country and more secure as a community.



"These sanctuary policies that are put forth have wound up to be dismal failures and have cost communities more than they stood to gain."



● Contact reporter Eric Swedlund at 573-4115 or at eswedlund@azstarnet.com.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/21/08 12:43 PM

" Crack House on our Southern Border".....good lone,....wish I'd come up with it.

Link: http://www.vdare.com/walker/080820_kidnapping.htm


Kidnapping—A Job Americans Won’t Do (But Mexicans Will)
By Brenda Walker

It's one ugly picture when the elected government of even a shabby democracy cannot put down a bunch of criminals using its army, with 40,000 troops now deployed.

Behind closed doors, elites from Mexico City to Washington must be increasingly nervous about the failure of Presidente Felipe Calderon's military offensive of more than a year's length against the drug cartels. The $1.4 billion Merida Initiative of crime-fighting goodies for Mexico was one indication of Congress' fear of a failed state next door—think Colombia with a dash of Somalia added. Americans must pay attention to the country-sized crack-house on our southern border.

Calderon had made public safety a major issue in his presidential campaign. There is widespread fear of crime among average Mexicans.

But the bodies are piling up and the crimes are becoming more brazen. The death toll in Juarez alone is over 800 this year. High-ranking police have been assassinated by the cartels. Others have fled to the US, pleading for asylum.

If there is any sign of success in Mexico's battle against the chaos of gangocracy, I don't see it. In fact, a high-ranking official in the attorney general's office resigned earlier this summer over poor performance in the efforts against the cartels.

The Mexican elite has clung to weak criminal punishment in a stubborn attempt to act more like permissive Europe and less like the despised Americans, who are seen as being too tough on crime. But there are indications that ordinary Mexicans, who face more dangerous streets, would be perfectly happy with tougher sentencing, as well as better policing. (A stunning 97 percent of crimes go unsolved.)

Any realistic crackdown on crime would include an array of punishments that might actually deter criminals—long stretches in the slammer, with the option of life in prison for the worst offenses. But Mexico is noticeably slow on the uptake about the relationship between crime and punishment.

Kidnappings are up 9.1 percent in the first five months of this year. The June kidnapping and subsequent murder of Fernando Marti, the 14-year-old son of wealthy businessman, appears to have focused Mexican public attention more than the border carnage.

It was an awful crime by any measure. The boy had been snatched when the armored vehicle in which he was riding was apparently stopped at a police checkpoint. The two bodyguards were ordered out and taken away. The driver was tortured to death, with all of his teeth pulled out, and the other guard was choked, left for dead, but survived and has provided important information. The Marti family quietly paid $2 million dollars in ransom. But when two months of waiting failed, they turned to the press and openly advertised a larger amount for Fernando's safe release.

It was not to be. The boy's body was found stuffed in a trunk August 1. He had been dead for at least a month. The traumatic crime was worsened in the public mind by the fact that some of those arrested so far are police officers. The growing distrust of police has caused kidnap victim families to turn to authorities last.

"An entire industry, much of it unregulated, has grown up around kidnapping, with consultants to negotiate the ransom, insurance policies to cover any ransom losses and an array of safety measures, available to those who can pay, from bodyguards with military backgrounds to bulletproofing on cars and clothing.

Given the involvement of some wayward officers in the kidnapping trade, it is easy to see why victims' relatives look outside police forces in trying to bring such nightmares to an end." [A Boy’s Killing Prods a City to Stand Up to Kidnappers, By Marc Lacey And Antonio Betancourt, New York Times, August 14, 2008]

A significant indicator of desperation was Calderon's suggestion that punishment be stiffened after this crime. [Mexico: President Seeks Tougher Kidnapping Penalties, Reuters, August 7, 2008].

Mexico's problem is not just the worsening crime; it is the public losing trust that the government is acting to protect its basic safety. This is the mechanism by which civil society fails.

The wealthy have more choices, of course:

"A business leader who survived a kidnapping and asked not to be named told TIME: 'What are we to do? Get the Israelis as bodyguards? Somebody else was mentioning using American Special Forces, as they are being demobilized and are more serious. Do we have to have our own paramilitary forces? We have to be organized, as the government obviously is not. I am sending my family to the U.S.' His sentiments are common in gatherings of the wealthy, where options under discussion range from emigration to buying a smaller house and less ostentatious car—and, of course, investing more heavily in private security." [No Help for Mexico's Kidnapping Surge, Time Magazine, August 08, 2008]

Nice that this “business leader” has faith in the United States to keep his family safe.

Of course, our police are mostly top notch—not like those crooks with badges in Mexico.

But a law-respecting society is built upon the shared responsibility of citizens, not merely a dependence on police to make law and order work. And you have to wonder at what point the Mexican Way of Crime will become fully ensconced at the same level here—simply because so many Mexicans now live in the U.S. When tens of millions of Mexicans "move" en masse to America, the whole cultural package arrives. And that includes crime. The idea that "good" Mexicans can be protected from "bad" ones has its limits.

It’s already happening. Rich Mexicans (and anyone else) living in the United States are sparkly lures to people snatchers, both expert and beginners. As noted earlier in VDARE.com, Mexican-style kidnapping has arrived. In San Diego, a Mexican businessman was grabbed and held for money by a several men. In Florida last year, 13-year-old Clay Moore was kidnapped from a school bus stop by one Mexican, but managed to escape using his ingenuity.

Here's a chilling headline:

“Mexican drug gang turns to kidnapping in U.S. —Reuters, August 12, 2008

“TIJUANA, Mexico (Reuters) - American businesswoman Veronica was stepping out of her car in California when two men forced her into the passenger seat at gunpoint, pushed her teenage daughter into the back and drove them into Mexico.

“Taking advantage of lax Mexican security at the San Diego border, and with U.S. authorities focused mainly on those entering the United States, the kidnappers took the two women to Tijuana in January and held them for a month before their family paid a $100,000 ransom. [...]

“Several Americans have also been kidnapped in Texas this year and held for ransom in Mexico, the FBI said.”

That's right—the new cool thing for Mexi-gangsters is "transnational kidnapping" because nobody checks cars going into Mexico.

We already know that Mexican organized crime is here in America and has replaced Colombia as the major drug trafficker in the hemisphere, to the point where at least 195 American cities have Mexican cartels operating in them. There's every reason to assume that the narco-criminals are expanding their portfolios to other money-making pursuits in which they have expertise—namely, kidnapping.

"[Independent consultant Georgina] Sanchez said kidnapping in the United States could be particularly attractive to the cartels because they may be able to demand more money than they do in Mexico.

"’The US will begin to see a little of the same conflict that is happening in Mexico,’ Sanchez said. ‘If [the cartels] already have methods, and ways of diversifying into other crimes, it's normal that they won't stop at the border.’" [Mexican drug cartels now doing business on US soil, Boston Globe, August 3, 2008]

The big question: Why isn't Washington doing something about the threat posed by Mexican anarchy?

Or perhaps a better question is: Why don't policies correspond to the real danger?

Among elite law enforcement and government policy makers, there is plenty of the "partnering" transnational philosophy of policing.

But common sense tells us to lock our own front door before cleaning out the crack house across town.

Our sovereign borders should be our first line of defense against a world of diverse criminals.

Job #1 for Washington should be: crime prevention—by keeping out the bad guys.

Brenda Walker (email her) lives in Northern California and publishes two websites, LimitsToGrowth.org and ImmigrationsHumanCost.org. Her favorite part of the Olympics has been the Great Wall of China.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/21/08 03:04 PM

This is not about Election year politics......

Bad enough he looks like a SQUIRREL,....

without acting / talking like one....

" McCain also addressed the need to put tighter controls on the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico. By some estimates, 95 percent of the weapons used in the drug wars in Mexico came from the United States."

.........Given that the Cuban Mafia, and the Russian Mobs are running Cancun,....

........Given that the same miscreants are in fairly powerful ascendance here at home ( within our Borders).....

....and extrapolating that they can freely move TONS of contraband with relative impunity,....

Doesn't "Tightening up" sound a little like another regulatory cross to bear, for the everyday stand up guy,.......

Predisposed to have no impact whatsoever on the actual problem ?

............like we have all sortsa' overwhelming proof about "95%" of the iron being outta' the US ?

Oh,.....that's right, ....the Mexican GOVERNMENT told us this was so.



Link: http://www.scsun-news.com/news/ci_10259573




McCain praises U.S.-Mexico cooperation on combating drug trade
By Jose L. Medina/Sun-News reporter
Article Launched: 08/21/2008 01:00:00 AM MDT


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For more photos of U.S. Sen. John McCain's campaign stop in Las Cruces, visit our online photo gallery.

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To hear the full interview with McCain, click here.

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ABOARD THE "STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS" — Arizona senator and Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Wednesday praised efforts by Mexican officials to combat the drug trade and argued for tightening existing laws to prevent the flow of weapons into Mexico.

"This is really the first

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time when we have significant U.S.-Mexican cooperation," sad McCain, speaking to reporters aboard his campaign bus, the "Straight Talk Express," following a town hall meeting in Las Cruces earlier in the day.
Since the beginning of the year, more than 800 people have been murdered in Juárez as drug cartels battle for territory and drug smuggling routes. Other border cities have also been afflicted by the violence, which has mostly stayed on the Mexican side of the border.

"This is a serious challenge to the authority of the government of Mexico," McCain said. "What happens when drug cartels take over? Drugs flow into the United States of America. It is clearly in America's interests to cooperate."

McCain said the Merida Initiative, a plan to provide the Mexican government with millions in U.S. funds to combat drug-related crime, is a good first step in the cooperative effort.

"I'm proud of (Mexican) President (Felipe) Calderon for trying," McCain said, touting himself as experienced in dealing with border security issues and criticizing his opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

"Senator Obama has never been to Mexico. I've been dealing with these issues for many, many years. I understand them," he said.

McCain also addressed the need to put tighter controls on the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico. By some estimates, 95 percent of the weapons used in the drug wars in Mexico came from the United States.

"We have to do a better job in the form of instant background checks and making sure there's not a pattern of someone buying a bunch of these weapons. ... It is a problem, but I think we should improve, tighten, the existing laws rather than pass new ones."


Jose Medina can be reached at jmedina@lcsun-news.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/22/08 08:33 AM

Gotta' earn a livin', here in the land of opportunity,..?

Link:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3412604/

Nash couple accused of trafficking cocaine


Posted: Aug. 21 1:03 p.m.
Updated: Aug. 21 1:10 p.m.

Nashville, N.C. — A Nash County couple faces numerous charges in connection with a yearlong drug trafficking investigation, which authorities say is a significant drug bust for the area.

Deputies arrested, Gavino Mendoza, 35, and his wife, Martina Hernandez Uribe, 31, both of 7549 Sarah Way in Rocky Mount.

The couple ran a large drug trafficking operation from their home and were sending drugs and money out of state and out of the country, investigators said Thursday morning.

Mendoza, who was arrested Tuesday following an undercover drug buy, faces six counts of trafficking cocaine and two counts of maintaining a place for the purpose of keeping and storing a controlled substance.

Uribe was arrested Thursday morning and charged with one count each of manufacturing marijuana, possessing drug paraphernalia, possession with intent to sell cocaine, maintaining a place for the purpose of keeping and storing a controlled substance and trafficking cocaine.

Among the items seized from the couple's home was 5.5 pounds of cocaine worth about $250,000, as well as $110,000 in cash and marijuana.

The investigation is not over, and the sheriff's office says there could be more charges and additional arrests.

Investigators also said Thursday that they are working with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to determine if the couple is in the country illegally.

Mendoza was in the Nash County jail Thursday morning under a $2 million bond. His wife was in jail under a $1 million bond.

Reporter: Mike Charbonneau
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/22/08 08:35 AM

From Lou Dobbs...................

So along comes this pompous Clown, talking about morality.

Lou Dobbs Tonight -- CNN -- August 21

Dobbs: The Catholic Church in this country is one of the strongest and the most outspoken advocates -- that is the Council of Bishops is the strongest advocate for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens. Tonight a Catholic bishop in Rhode Island is not only calling for an end to immigration enforcement. He's calling for federal agents to have the right not to enforce the law. Now we're getting deep. Bill Tucker has our report.
Bill Tucker: In raids like this at a meat packing plant in Pottsville, Iowa, at a factory with defense contracts in Massachusetts, a manufacturer in North Carolina, across the country since the beginning of the year, more than 5,000 illegal aliens have been arrested in work site immigration enforcement raids. More than 1,000 of those face criminal charges. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has spoken out against those raids and one of its members, Bishop Thomas Tobin, of Providence has condemned the raids and says they should be stopped. In a letter to Immigration and Customs Enforcement he calls them quote "unjust, unnecessary and counterproductive." The bishop goes on to urge federal agents to consider the morality of their actions.
Bishop Tobin: I'm not suggesting that everybody who works for ICE is immoral in some way. I'm not suggesting that it is impossible to take a moral approach to this participation. I don't necessarily have the answer to that question. But I think it's a fair question to ask.
Watch Transcript
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/22/08 08:39 AM

FLASH !..................

Functional Brain discovered at Fed ICE H.Q.

this ( expensive) stunt ranks right up there with everyone bring in their 40 Glock in raw Dumbchit practicality.

I do hope that the folks enjoy their trip home,

Really,

GTC

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080822/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/immigration_self_deportation_8


Immigration agency scraps self-deportation program By AMY TAXIN, Associated Press Writer
Fri Aug 22, 6:23 AM ET



SANTA ANA, Calif. - A pilot program allowing illegal immigrants to surrender to authorities and have more control over their deportation has been dubbed a failure.

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement says it is ending its "Scheduled Departure" program when the three-week trial concludes Friday. Only eight people participated in the program, officials said.

"Quite frankly, I think this proves the only method that works is enforcement," Jim Hayes, acting director of ICE's detention and removal operations, told The Associated Press on Thursday.

ICE said it hatched the plan to give illegal immigrants more control over their departure and to quell criticism by immigrant advocates that its enforcement efforts were disruptive to families.

"They want amnesty, they want open borders, and they want a more vulnerable America," Hayes said.

While immigrant rights activists ridiculed the program, they're now worried its failure will embolden enforcement.

"My hope is it isn't going to empower them or fuel their enforcement even further," immigration lawyer Lisa Ramirez said.

Immigrant advocates said the program flopped because it offered few incentives for illegal immigrants to step forward since they would be barred from returning to the country for as long as a decade. They also said it failed to consider immigrants' ties to family here.

"We do not believe they were really interested in having people turn themselves in," said Jorge-Mario Cabrera, director of community education for the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles.

ICE offered the program to 457,000 illegal immigrants nationwide who have ignored judicial orders to leave the country but have no criminal record. They were promised up to 90 days to plan their exit and coordinate travel with relatives.

Applicants could sign up at ICE offices in Charlotte, N.C., Chicago, Phoenix, San Diego and Santa Ana. ICE estimates 30,000 eligible immigrants lived in the five cities where the program was offered.

The eight volunteers included an Estonian man in Phoenix, a Guatemalan man and Indian couple in Chicago, a Salvadoran man in Charlotte, a Mexican woman in San Diego and a Guatemalan man and Lebanese man in Santa Ana, according to ICE.

ICE spent $41,000 to advertise the program. Hayes said the government may have saved money because the cost of detaining the six immigrants who turned themselves in during the program's first week would have been $37,000.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/22/08 09:55 AM

Sure are seeing a lot of "Summary" sorta' writings,.......

Given all of the Summary Executions taking place in those dusty smoky hills of old Juarez,.......

150 in 3 weeks,......that's in Juarez town.

We'll not see numbers for the Nation as a whole,....much now goes unreported,.......safer that way for those on scene.

Link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nationworld/stories/082208dnintjuarez.40b97cd.html


As Juárez violence escalates, debate rages on whether Mexico's drug war is working

11:08 PM CDT on Thursday, August 21, 2008
By ALFREDO CORCHADO / The Dallas Morning News
acorchado@dallasnews.com

CIUDAD JUÁREZ, Mexico – An explosion of violence has made this border city the central front in Mexico's war on powerful drug cartels. But officials disagree on whether the carnage is a sign of progress or a mark of failure.

Nearly five months after the government of President Felipe Calderón sent more than 2,500 federal troops and police to the state of Chihuahua on Texas' southwestern border, the pace and scope of drug violence have reached unprecedented levels.

With two mass killings in recent days, more than 1,200 people have been killed statewide in drug-related violence this year, according to tallies kept by Mexican media.

Juárez is leading the country in killings, surpassing even Mexico City. More than 850 have been killed in this city of 1.5 million people right across the border from El Paso, including about 150 in the past three weeks.

The state toll makes up more than 40 percent of the nationwide total of 2,700 people killed in drug-related violence this year.

Chihuahua Gov. José Reyes Baeza this week called the violence "unacceptable" and challenged federal authorities to do more, saying that "a new response is needed to the bloody expressions of organized crime."

But a U.S. law enforcement official said the level of violence was a sign of success. "We're winning. The cartels are in disarray," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Others aren't so optimistic.

"What we're witnessing today is, without question, without precedent," said Alfredo Quijano, editor of Norte de Ciudad Juárez newspaper. "This is the fiercest, crudest war we've ever witnessed between drug traffickers in our city's history."

The carnage raises questions about the government's ability to restore order – particularly in cities such as Ciudad Juárez, an important trade and immigration conduit to Texas.

"These killings clearly indicate that the Mexican state has absolutely failed in its mission to protect the public," said Howard Campbell, a border anthropologist and drug trafficking expert at the University of Texas at El Paso. "It appears that no amount of soldiers or special police agents is enough to stop the killings in Juárez, either because they are incompetent, badly corrupted or intimidated by the cartels."


Other targets

Officials are concerned that the violence is spreading beyond cartel and law enforcement targets. Both UTEP and New Mexico State University have warned students to stay away from Juárez, a traditional destination for partygoers.

U.S. and Mexican officials had predicted that 2008 would be a bloody year, partly in response to the government crackdown. But officials now say they are surprised by the ferocity and resilience shown by the warring Sinaloa and Juárez cartels, battling for control of smuggling routes into the U.S. And they expressed renewed concern of corruption within the government.

Last week, the federal attorney general's office put six members of its organized crime unit under house arrest on suspicion of working for drug kingpins, including Arturo Beltrán Leyva, a reputed leader of a faction involved in the Chihuahua violence.

Law enforcement officials attribute much of the violence to the Zetas, the paramilitary group once allied with the Gulf cartel but now operating more as freelance mercenaries. Officials say the Zetas are now working for Vicente Carrillo Fuentes of the Juárez cartel and his ally Mr. Beltrán Leyva, an alleged former top member of the Sinaloa cartel.

"You're talking about a lethal combination – brains and power," said a U.S. intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity. He said he was referring to Mr. Beltrán Leyva and his ability to co-opt Mexican authorities, and the muscle of the Zetas, a group that was founded by army deserters and had formerly served as the armed enforcers of the Gulf cartel along the Texas-Mexico border in Tamaulipas state. The Zetas have been implicated in Dallas killings as well.

Officials say the Zetas are increasingly involved in other criminal enterprises, including kidnapping and human smuggling, as well as legitimate businesses.


Nuevo Laredo

Even relatively quiet areas are sources of distress to some people along the border.

Nuevo Laredo has seen a sharp drop in violence after hundreds of soldiers and federal agents were dispatched there. But business leaders say the Zetas maintain an active presence and are pressuring their way into legitimate businesses.

"This is worse than when they were fighting it out because at least they were out in the open," said Jacob Suneson, former vice chairman of the Nuevo Laredo Chamber of Commerce. "Now they're in the fiber of the city, kidnapping people at will, and nothing's said or published anymore, nothing is reported, nothing is being done. If our federal government says it's winning the war and that it's in control, I would ask them the following: How are you measuring success? Because from our vantage point, we've lost Nuevo Laredo."

Interior Minister Juan Camilo Mouriño said Wednesday that the government remains committed to restoring order.

"The president does not elude his responsibility and, on the contrary, will continue facing the most deeply felt complaint of society, which is insecurity, until the last day of his administration," Mr. Mouriño said. "This is a transcendent moment for the country."

Earlier this year, the Zetas and the Gulf cartel amicably broke their working relationship after dividing up areas of control in Tamaulipas, U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials say. Under their agreement, the Gulf cartel controls smuggling at key border crossings, including Matamoros, Reynosa and Tampico. The Zetas control Nuevo Laredo, the busiest transit route into the U.S. via the Interstate 35 corridor to Dallas and beyond.

One Laredo law enforcement official said it was inevitable that the Zetas would return to challenge their former employers for wider control.

"Nuevo Laredo, the entire state of Tamaulipas, is a powder keg," said the official, citing informants. "Once the Zetas complete their mission with Beltrán Leyva, they will return and cause mayhem here. It's just a matter of time."

Staff writer Laurence Iliff in Mexico City contributed to this report.

Grim tally
Recent killings in Ciudad Juárez and Chihuahua state include:

Monday: Gunmen ripped off security bars and stormed a house in Juárez, killing a Mexican motocross champion, Rene Tercero Reyes Aguirre, and two other racers, the El Paso Times reported.

Saturday: Gunmen killed 14 people at a family gathering in the western town of Creel.

Aug. 13: Gunmen opened fire during a religious service at a drug rehabilitation center in Juárez, killing eight men.

Aug. 11: There were 15 killings in Juárez, including two quadruple homicides. In Chihuahua City, assassins killed Pedro Aragonez, the forensic science director of the state attorney general's office.
Posted by: bcp

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/22/08 10:36 AM

And part of the responsibility for all this violence is on the US drug user.

No buyers = no drug dealers = no drug smugglers.

Time to legalize and regulate drugs? This isn't working.

Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/22/08 10:48 PM

Time to legalize locally organize lynchings and hangings of purveyors of poison to kids works for me,......

I've been investigated for just that,only mistake was letting the sorry SOB down alive, his "Rights" a;; violated, Cocainew rotted Septum squirting big gouts of blood all over

...and would do it again in a bloody heartbeat.

Ya'll hang, or shoot any of these trash,.......Have some sorta' big industrial size " Lawn and Garden" size bag handy,....it's a real mess.

You raise an intriguing point ,...as regards the "Adult" sector,
and drug use,.......

....that don't free up MS 13 to run around like they own OUR turf,

....it's down to that now,.....

Turf.

GTC



http://www.svherald.com/articles/2008/08/22/news/doc48ae629146640121071717.txt

Arizona is ‘ground zero’ for Border Patrol
By ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN
Associated Press

Published on Friday, August 22, 2008

PHOENIX — Arizona is “Ground Zero” for the Border Patrol in its quest to gain effective control of illegal immigration into the United States, and agents are making headway, the chief of the agency’s busiest sector says.

The progress is reflected in a 16 percent drop in apprehensions in the patrol’s Tucson sector through Aug. 19 for the current fiscal year, compared to the same period a year ago, and by what officials believe is an even bigger decrease in entries, Chief Patrol Agent Robert Gilbert told The Associated Press this week. The fiscal year ends Sept. 30.
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Tucson Border Patrol Chief Patrol Agent Robert Gilbert speaks with the Associated Press, Wednesday, Aug. 20, 2008 in Phoenix. Gilbert says Arizona is "Ground Zero" for the Border Patrol in its quest to gain effective control of illegal immigration into the United States, and agents are making headway. (AP Photo/Matt York)




(Use arrows above to view more photos) “We have a ways to go, but we’re a lot closer today than we have been, and we’re seeing the results,” Gilbert said. “We’re at a 10-year low right now with apprehensions.”

Federal officials frequently cite lower apprehension figures as a measure of success since Border Patrol officials believe they indicate fewer people are trying to cross illegally.

As of Aug. 19, agents in the Tucson sector had made 291,000 apprehensions versus nearly 349,000 through the same date last year.

Gilbert noted the numbers are lower than figures hit in the 2002 fiscal year, when apprehensions plummeted following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. And they’re far below the highest arrest total of the decade — 557,000 during the 2000 fiscal year.

But the sector, with its 262 miles of border, is still the busiest on the Mexican frontier, registering 46 percent of all Border Patrol arrests and 50 percent of its total marijuana seizures, Gilbert said.

As a result, the sector has received the most border fencing and vehicle barriers and been the test site for high-tech pilot programs, from virtual fencing to unmanned surveillance drones.

“This is for the Border Patrol our Ground Zero,” Gilbert said.

Gilbert credits several factors for sector successes, including increases in manpower, the fences and other physical barriers, efforts to prosecute some illegal immigrants and a program to fly some illegal immigrants caught in Arizona to the Mexican interior. The aerial repatriation program is intended to separate illegal immigrants from their smugglers.

“We’ve tried a lot of different things here, but one of the mistakes that I believe we’ve made is trying to eat the whole apple at once,” Gilbert said. “So now we’re taking sections of the border back.”

His team has divided the sector into six areas and agents focus first on those that are considered a priority. Gilbert’s mantra is: “Gain control, maintain control, expand operations — gain, maintain, expand.”

Gilbert said other factors are also deterring illegal immigrants from coming to and staying in Arizona, including the passage of state immigration laws, greater enforcement by local authorities and the efforts of a Border Patrol sister agency, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which concentrates on enforcement away from the border.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/22/08 11:19 PM

Not good news,

............GREAT news ! ( albeit a mite overdue)

Really good news,....and this sorta' comentary,.....slogged away at, fed, watered, and nourished by folks that WRITE to their reps is contributory



Link: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/254004


Tucson Region
5 virtual fence towers on Buenos Aires get initial OK
By Brady McCombs
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.22.2008
advertisementThe U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has given Homeland Security officials the initial green light to construct five virtual fence towers on the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge southwest of Tucson.
In a draft compatibility determination released today, Buenos Aires managers decided that the potential long-term benefits of the towers — reducing illegal-immigrant traffic and associated Border Patrol activity on the refuge — outweighed the expected harm, including loss of habitat at tower sites, and wildlife and habitat disturbance during construction, maintenance and operation, the report says.
"Based on the information provided by DHS (Department of Homeland Security), the refuge expects that successful operation of the towers will result in a decrease in the environmental impacts caused by illegal immigration as well as an overall reduction in DHS operations on the refuge," the report said. "These reductions will enhance the experience members of the public have when visiting the refuge."
Homeland Security wants to place five permanent towers on the Buenos Aires refuge: four surveillance towers and one communications tower. The surveillance towers would stand 80 feet and the communications tower 120 feet. All five towers would be placed on concrete foundations and be enclosed by chain-link fence.
The surveillance towers are capable of viewing a 360-degree area for 24 hours a day with a radius of about 6 miles, the report said.
The towers would be among 57 planned in a project dubbed Tucson West that would create a virtual fence targeting 81 miles of Arizona's border between Sasabe and a point south of Sierra Vista.
The reality that Homeland Security plans to put virtual fence towers around the refuge also influenced the refuge's decision, the report said.
"If no towers are constructed on the refuge, there could potentially be a greater influx of illegal immigrants through the area," the report said. "Illegal immigrants quickly learn where they are most likely to be detected and where they can hide. If towers are detecting illegal immigrants everywhere but the refuge, then illegal immigrants will be more likely to travel through the refuge."
The public will have until Sept. 2 to comment on the draft, and officials will take the feedback into account in making a final decision, said Fish and Wildlife spokesman Jose Viramontes.
Fish and Wildlife is hoping to release its final determination no later than the week of Sept. 8, Viramontes said. If the final determination remains compatible, a special-use permit for the towers will be given to Homeland Security.
It was unclear Thursday if a Fish and Wildlife decision to allow the towers would prompt Homeland Security to instruct Boeing Co., the lead contractor, to resume work on the virtual fence.
In the past week, Homeland Security officials put all virtual-fence work on an indefinite hold. The agency said it was awaiting permission from the Interior Department to use its lands.
Interior Department officials said Homeland Security submitted requests to place towers on two Arizona public borderlands July 10 — just five days before it planned to begin construction.
In addition to the Tucson West project, Homeland Security has plans for a second project, called Ajo-1, that calls for 11 towers in Southwestern Arizona, including seven in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. It has been put on hold until the department can resume construction of the Tucson West towers.
The Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge is in one of the busiest corridors for illegal-immigrant and drug-smuggling traffic on the Southwest border. An estimated 100,000 to 300,000 illegal immigrants cross there annually, the report says.
Nearly a decade of this activity has left scars on the refuge and recently landed it on an undesirable Top 10 list — the most imperiled national wildlife refuges in the country, according to a report by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/23/08 08:15 PM

Another one bites the dust,......

....wonderin' how the "Mass street protest went,


Link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-08-23-police-chief-slain_N.htm

Mexican police chief slain a day after taking job
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Yahoo! Buzz Digg Newsvine Reddit FacebookWhat's this?CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — A northern Mexican town's police chief was killed Friday just 24 hours after replacing a predecessor whose slaying had prompted the rest of the force to quit out of fear of drug gangs.
Jesus Blanco Cano's bullet-ridden body was found at a ranch near the town of Villa Ahumada in Chihuahua state, about 80 miles south of El Paso, said Alejandro Pariente, a spokesman for the regional deputy attorney general's office.

He had been beaten, blindfolded and his hands were tied behind his back. Twelve bullet casings were found at the scene.

Cano, 40, had been on the job for just a day. The previous police chief, two other officers and three residents were killed in May when 70 gunmen barged into Villa Ahumada, a town virtually taken over by drug gangs.

The rest of its 20-member police force quit in fear, forcing the Mexican military to take over. The town had slowly been recruiting new police and was without a police chief until Blanco took the job. The troops eventually left.

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Mayor Fidel Chavez met Friday with state police, but nobody at this office could be reached for comment. Chavez had fled after the May attack, taking refuge in the state capital of Chihuahua City, but he returned after soldiers recovered the town.

Mexico's powerful drug cartels have stepped up attacks against police in response to a military and police crackdown, beheading some officers and killing others outside their homes. Several towns and cities, particularly in the north, have struggled to hold together their police forces.

The mayor of Ciudad Juarez, a town just north of Villa Ahumada, announced a plan this week to recruit soldiers to replenish its depleting police force. Many police in Ciudad Juarez, across from El Paso, have been killed after their names appeared on hit lists left in public. Others whose names appeared on the lists have quit.

Since taking office in 2006, President Felipe Calderon has sent more than 25,000 troops and federal police to retake drug hotspots across the country.

But homicides, kidnappings and shootouts have only increased. In Chihuahua state — home base of the powerful Juarez drug cartel — more than 800 people have been killed this year, a surge from less than 400 during the first half of 2007.

Outraged Mexicans are planning mass street protests against crime for Saturday.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/23/08 08:19 PM

Good,....tough no-nonsense operations,......

Phoenix NEEDS this

Link: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/08/23/20080823departure0823.html

Feds plan more raids on fugitive migrants
Voluntary-deportation program's poor results prompt crackdown
by Daniel González - Aug. 23, 2008 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
Federal authorities say they will step up raids on illegal immigrants' homes after only eight immigrants, including one in Phoenix, stepped forward to take an offer of planned deportation.

The lack of participation in Operation Scheduled Departure, a pilot program, showed that the only way to solve the problem of immigrants staying in the U.S. after being ordered to leave is through enforcement, Jim Hayes of Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a conference call Friday with reporters.

The 3-week-old program in five cities is being canceled. The only immigrant who stepped forward for voluntary deportation in Phoenix was from Estonia.
"This program proves that the most effective way is the way we have been doing it, through fugitive operations," said Hayes, who is acting director of ICE's detention-and-removal operations.


Thousands apprehended

Over the past two years, fugitive-operation teams in Phoenix and other U.S. cities have nabbed tens of thousands of undocumented immigrants, most at their homes but also at job sites. The teams work daily to identify, locate and arrest immigrants who have previously been ordered to leave the U.S. but remained.

The majority are immigrants who applied for legal residency but were denied. Others were ordered deported after committing crimes. The teams have arrested 29,000 fugitive immigrants this fiscal year and are on pace to surpass the 30,000 arrested last year, Hayes said.

Nine more teams will be operating soon, bringing to 104 the total number assigned to hunt down deportation absconders full time, Hayes said.

In Phoenix, the ICE fugitive-operation team arrested 452 people through the first nine months of this fiscal year, compared with 472 all of last year, ICE spokesman Vincent Picard said. Of the 452 arrested in the current fiscal year, 255 were fugitives. The other 197 were undocumented immigrants that ICE officers came across while looking for fugitives, Picard said.

Immigrant advocates have criticized the operations, saying they break up families and terrorize immigrant communities. In response, the government launched the experimental scheduled-departure program on Aug. 5. It gave non-criminal fugitives the chance to turn themselves in and arrange for their departure within 90 days. In exchange, participants would not have to worry about agents unexpectedly showing up at the crack of dawn and removing them without a chance to settle their affairs.


Critics: Designed to fail

Advocates for immigrants said Operation Scheduled Departure was merely a ruse intended to give the government justification for continuing its sweeps.

"They knew this project was going to be a failure. They needed an excuse to justify what they have been doing," said Elias Bermudez, founder of the Phoenix-based advocacy group Immigrants Without Borders.

Bermudez predicted that the government will now intensify fugitive operations and that more non-fugitive illegal immigrants will get caught in the dragnets.

"We are telling people not to answer their doors (if ICE officers arrive looking for fugitives)," Bermudez said.

Magdalena Schwartz, a Mesa pastor and member of the Alliance of Valley Religious Leaders, said she believes more immigrants would have participated in the voluntary program if the government had given them more time to settle their affairs.

"Many of these immigrants have lived in this country for years," Schwartz said. "It takes more than (90 days) to sell their house, close their bank accounts, take care of their finances and take their children out of school."

In the four other participating cities - San Diego and Santa Ana, Calif.; Chicago; and Charlotte, N.C. - two Guatemalans, a couple from India, a Salvadoran, a Lebanese and a Mexican came forward.
Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/23/08 08:45 PM

So it would be fair to say that portions of Mexico are in a full blown state of war and folks are more tuned into the Olympics, Putin's antics half way around the world and the election 2008 .... not sure of the right word here...."stuff".

Is that about it? Oh yeah and it's spilling over onto or soil more and more openly.... extra security needed at US hospital where some of the wounded are dropped off.... I forgot that part ...
Posted by: ltppowell

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/23/08 08:48 PM

Hell, people don't care about what's happening next door! Why would you expect them to care about Mexico?
Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/23/08 08:54 PM

Every time I go to WalMart there are more and more Mexican there.... you don't suppose they are staging for a coup.... the government would have warned us... right????
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/24/08 06:45 AM

One thing I'm noticing is a LARGE percentage of the Sonora and other Mex. vehicles I'm seeing on my local by-ways are very upscale, top line SUVs and PUs. Sure one still sees older rigs,........I just never remember seeing this much shiny new iron before.

........you're right, folks are generally way more comncerned about what's happening on the other side of the Planet,.....and things are pretty rough, just off to the S.

Definately more "Spill-Over", as well.

Ya'll have a real good Sunday.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/24/08 07:06 PM

Searched out, and rescued,.....

That is almost unbelievably tough country, looks like it ate some.

GTC

Link: http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stori...an.b316554.html

Over a dozen immigrants rescued from desert, confirmed fatalities

More Gila Bend and Phoenix Local News

05:33 PM Mountain Standard Time on Sunday, August 24, 2008

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Confirmed fatalities among the group
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RAW: Chopper rescue
RAW: 2nd transport of dehadrated immigrant

PHOENIX (AP) -- At least 12 suspected illegal immigrants have been rescued in a desert area near Gila Bend.

The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office says the immigrants were found Sunday morning.

A sheriff's office spokesman says the search began Saturday night near the Barry M. Goldwater Gunnery Range, which runs along the Mexican border.

The search is ongoing for another five to seven people who may be lost.

Authorities said they believe the rescue mission was prompted by a 911 distress call.

The rescued have been taken to a Phoenix area hospital for treatment.
Posted by: bcp

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/24/08 07:27 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops

A sheriff's office spokesman says the search began Saturday night near the Barry M. Goldwater Gunnery Range, which runs along the Mexican border.



Maybe we should have many more gunnery ranges along the border.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/24/08 07:28 PM

All the good things,.......

"Blood, Gore, Beheadings, Assaults, and other criminal activities"

........................? !

Capital Punishment ,....NO,.....Blinding,.....SI




Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/22...nd-kidnappings/

Mexico outraged because of police corruption and kidnappings
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORMER BORDER PATROL OFFICERS
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The National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers (NAFBPO) extracts and condenses the material that follows from Mexican and Central and South American on-line media sources on a daily basis. You are free to disseminate this information, but we request that you credit NAFBPO as being the provider.

VAST REIGN OF TERROR

( Note: an initial review of Mexican media sites today revealed the ever present, widespread and even growing accounts of blood, gore, beheadings, assaults and other criminal activities. In tune with that, the attachment to this report is an editorial section cartoon titled “Vast Reign of Terror” in today’s “El Universal”, a major Mexico City newspaper. It shows a map of Mexico on which there is a huge, overpowering and dominating fortress flying three flags: “narco”, “organized crime” and the skull & bones. From the depths, arising next to a puny Mexican flag, a cry arises: “Enough already!!”
In lieu of the usual recounting of assorted criminal activity and corruption, the following is a full translation of an article today in ”El Diario de Coahuila” (Saltillo, Coahuila), titled “Mexico outraged because of police corruption and kidnappings.” We believe this article will give the reader an accurate picture of today’s climate of insecurity in Mexico )
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* - After the kidnappers in police uniforms set up a false checkpoint on a street in Mexico City to catch 14 year old Fernando Marti his father paid a ransom of hundreds of thousands of dollars and awaited his son’s safe return.
(MEXICO(AP)) - It was in vain. The boy and his driver were found dead, each one in the trunk of a car. Days later, law enforcement officials said that a “judicial” policeman had a relevant participation in the kidnapping plot.
Suspicion about police participation in the kidnapping-murders has outraged the nation, where indifference by numerous residents tends to grow about the noon time shootings and the beheadings between drug cartel members. Massive protests are being planned in various cities and some legislators are changing their minds about the rejection of the death penalty.
“They should blind them, that way they would not commit crimes any more. Prison is not the answer; they go to prison and form their own groups there inside, and they come out more powerful” said 26 year old college student Ignacio Noriega, and added that he no longer feels safe anywhere.
Thursday, police reported that 150 residents of a community on the western outskirts of Mexico City viciously beat two alleged thieves and threatened to lynch them. They finally turned them over to the police.
With no other option but to make efficient decisions, persons in authority at all levels signed an accord on Thursday to improve the struggle against crime in Mexico, with commitments and time limits which include the cleaning up and permanent training of police officers, new laws and more resources.
The Executive, Legislative and Judicial leaders accepted the National Security, Justice and Legality Accord, which sets time periods ranging from 30 days to three years to bring about 74 programs, and whose performance will be overseen by a citizens’ watch group.
At the signing of the accord in the nation’s capital, President Calderon said that “the traditional form of fighting insecurity has been insufficient” and he committed himself to sending legislative proposals about public security and kidnapping to the Congress. The legislature agreed to analyze them and approve them before 2008’s end.
Alejandro Marti, the father of Fernando Marti, present at the meeting, warned that Mexicans will be watching that the government keeps its promises.
He said “If they can’t, they ought to resign, but they shouldn’t stay in government positions, or receive a salary for doing nothing.”
Mexico has one of the world’s highest rates of kidnapping, according to the social group IKV Pax Christi, and the problem is getting worse. Kidnappings have increased 9.1% this year, averaging 65 per month in the entire country, says the (Mex.) Dep’t. of Justice, which holds responsible for this a growing web of cartels, police and ex-police officers and informants who single out potential lucrative victims.
And the official figures widely underestimate the problem. The majority of the kidnappings are not reported, for fear of the police.
After interviewing Mexicans about crimes that were not reported, the Citizens’ Study Institute on Insecurity determined that the real number of kidnappings is more than 500 per month. Eighty-six percent of those interviewed said that they have little or no confidence in local police. The poll results were released Wednesday.
Rich Mexicans have battled kidnappings for a long time, with costly security measures and private negotiators. But now even middle class families are in danger, and the kidnappers tend more and more to kill their captives, even if a ransom is paid. Barely a few days before Marti’s decomposed body was found on August 1st, six members of a family were found dead in a house in the western state of Jalisco, presumably victims of kidnappers aided by a police agent. Four of the victims, including two children, were shot in the head. One adolescent had his throat cut. His mother was asphyxiated with a plastic bag.
One of the family’s sons had been kidnapped and then set free once the ransom was paid, but the gang
- presumably with the collaboration of a corrupt police agent from the state’s anti-kidnapping unit - decided that the family had much more money and threatened to keep kidnapping unless they were paid more. Investigators said the men killed the family after the police agent was identified.
The anger at the inability to trust Mexican police exploded last week, when residents of the central city of Tlapanala were able to surround and disarm a gang of seven kidnappers who had been posing as policemen.. They held them for 24 hours, beating them “with everything they could get hold of” until leaving them totally bloodied, said the mayor, Jose Villalba.
“”People are very furious… the truth is they wanted to beat me up also”, said Villalba. The mayor finally convinced the crowd to turn over the suspects - who carried false police credentials - to the state police.
Mexico officially opposes the death penalty, which it abandoned a long time ago, and considers that a life sentence is a cruel punishment. Just in 2005 Mexico agreed to extradite to the United States suspects who faced a life sentence in the United States. But this week, the small Green Party proposed to reinstitute the death penalty for police who participate in kidnappings and for kidnappers who kill their victims.
President Calderon has proposed life sentences for those crimes, now punishable with the maximum sentence of 50 years imprisonment. The (Mex.) Dep’t. of Justice attributes the increase of the violence to the diversification of organized crime in Mexico. It indicated in a report that “The criminals now engage in drug traffic, kidnapping and money laundering, among other activities, without a central control or management, nor any predominant organization among the crime areas or spheres.” It added, “Because of that, criminal activity became competitive, using violence with much more frequency among themselves and against society, to gain markets, territories or positions.”
Previously, anti-crime sentiment in Mexico has been shown to be a powerful force. More than a quarter million of Mexico City residents took part in a protest against assassinations and kidnappings in 2004, severely damaging the presidential aspirations of the then capital city mayor, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.
A similar protest has been called for on August 30. The Secretary of Government, Juan Camilo Mourino, deems worrisome that the growing outrage may lead to more acts of justice being carried out by private citizens.
He said “It’s obvious that society is outraged, it’s obvious that society is annoyed, and they have reason to be” “If we can’t agree to commitments and to channel those demands into clear and concrete steps, then the people could begin to take other types of actions which would not resolve the problem nor help anyone.”
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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/24/08 07:32 PM

 Originally Posted By: bcp
 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops

A sheriff's office spokesman says the search began Saturday night near the Barry M. Goldwater Gunnery Range, which runs along the Mexican border.



Maybe we should have many more gunnery ranges along the border.


The sad fact is that MANY training missions have been aborted,.....due to "Traffic" on designated ranges,....leaving Davis Monthan and Luke AFB with having to bring aircraft back in bombed up, and carrying other live ordinance,......

It's been a real problem, ....at one point over 60% of training flights were being aborted........that sorta' thing gets but passing comment in media format.

GTC
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/24/08 07:46 PM

Sounds to me like that need to go ahead and bomb anyhow, maybe they would get the friggin hints. Stupid fuggers!
Posted by: Barkoff

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/24/08 09:23 PM

Have you noticed this issue is virtually being ignored in the presidential race, other than generic ten second sound bites?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 08:06 AM

Major weight tossed in Phoenix,.......that place is becoming downright unfriendly to creepos,

be forewarned,...it's a "Fluid Situation",......and they'll be setting up in a neighborhood near you,........next.


GTC

Link: http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stori...ed.11e0906.html

134 pounds of meth seized in Phoenix; 3 suspects arrested

More Phoenix Local News

04:19 PM Mountain Standard Time on Friday, August 22, 2008

U.S. Department of Justice

The following is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice -- Drug Enforcement Administration:



U.S. Dept. of Justice



Phoenix -- On August 22, 2008, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), in conjunction with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Contraband Smuggling Unit arrested 3 individuals and seized 134 pounds of "Ice" Methamphetamine and 4 kilograms of cocaine making it one of the state's largest methamphetamine seizures.

The investigation targeted a major Mexican drug trafficking organization that smuggled cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana through Arizona for further distribution throughout the United States. On August 22, DEA and ICE agents executed a takedown on key members of the organization when they were observed moving the drugs from a one stash house to another in Phoenix.

The estimated retail (street) value of the methamphetamine is more than $4.8 million dollars

DEA Special Agent in Charge Elizabeth W. Kempshall said, "Today's operation is a major strike against the Mexican drug cartels that have made Phoenix Metropolitan area a primary hub of drug distribution. We have removed more than 4.8 million dollars of filthy money from these traffickers and have taken hundreds of pounds of dangerous drugs off our streets. These criminal organizations that prey upon the weak and addicted should know that the law enforcement partnerships in Phoenix are solid, strong and will be fighting you everyday to keep our communities and our citizens safe."

Crystal methamphetamine, known as "ice," is a highly addictive form of methamphetamine, a stimulant. On the illicit market it is sold in small, inexpensive dosage units that are smoked or injected. Smoking delivers large quantities of methamphetamine to the lungs, producing effects comparable to intravenous injection; these effects are almost immediate after smoking and very intense. "Ice" abuse also results in hallucinations and paranoia.

SAC Kempshall credited the cooperation of ICE and the Phoenix Police Department
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 08:20 PM

Family Values,....re-visited,

A real good candidate for citizenship,....this one.......

Link: http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetop...r.108c5a4e.html

MCSO: Illegal immigrant admits to molesting 12-y.o.

More Mesa and Phoenix Local News

03:02 PM Mountain Standard Time on Monday, August 25, 2008

MCSO / azfamily.com

The following news release was sent by MCSO:

MESA - The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Special Victims Unit arrested and booked into jail 24-year-old Jesus Martinez (DOB 06/15/84) on 1 count of child molestation, a class two felony and on four counts of sexual abuse, class three felonies.



Jesus Martinez, 24, is accused of molesting a 12-year-old girl.

Sheriff’s deputies began investigating the sexual abuse and molestation after the young victim’s mother found the 24-year-old illegal alien and the child kissing after the twelve-year-old left home, without permission to meet with him, at a late hour.

The victim told her mother that Martinez took her next to a tractor and began kissing her on the mouth and neck. The suspect kissed the victim’s breast area, where he left a “hickey”. Martinez then asked the child to leave him “hickeys” for his ex-wife to see.

The victim said she tried to leave several times by telling the suspect she was too young for him.

During the investigation Martinez made admission to the molestation and sexual abuse of the twelve-year-old girl.

“This is the fourth case in the last four months that the Sheriff’s Office has arrested an illegal alien, for rape of a young child and sexual abuse,” says Sheriff Arpaio. I have been accused by politicians and activists of not going after violent crime and last I checked a child being raped and sexually victimized is a violent crime.”
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 08:25 PM

Should have just shot the bastard Sheriff Joe, would have been a hell of a lot cheaper! Shot 'Em, hang A Sign on them as to their Crime, and then Hang 'Em High ono the outskirts of the county. Les
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 08:31 PM

Word I'm getting is that this is some sorta' obscene "Sport" in the view of the enactor / perpetrators.

Ya'll go study your handbook about human rights, now.

.........If you consider 'em "Human" to start oout with.

Bad attitude on the B.

GTC
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 08:32 PM

Sport, sounds like we need to give them a 50 yard head start and start launching Bowling balls at them with mortars, hell line up about 50 Mortars and let 'em run. Les
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 09:02 PM

C'mon,....Mississippi,....youcan do better'n this

Link: http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080825/NEWS01/80825015

Peniel Christian Church on South 14th Avenue in Laurel set up its own staging area today for undocumented workers who are afraid to go home or need a place to stay, or are trying to get information, said the Rev. Roberto Valez, pastor of the church.


He said the church had picked up children from schools in Jones County.

While a reporter and photographer were there, members of the church were preparing meals in the kitchen.

One undocumented worker said his wife, who worked at Howard Industries, called him this morning and said she did not think she would be able to go home and to take care of their “baby.” The couple has a 5-year-old. He said his wife is a painter at the plant.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 09:35 PM

Just so everyone's all square on this,.......we've had RAIN this year,....

...and flooding in places they did'nt know there's places,....

Lukeville woulda' been this deep without "Fence"

.........."all George Bushes Faul"t rhetoric, no more.

I wish we could keep that sorry azz main street that deep in H20 24-7-365,.......

the town where all the Sonorans collect their U.S. Welfare checks.

No,.....PEALLY ?

Yup,

GTC

Link: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/254381

Hourly Update
Border fence design blasted as causing flooding
By Arthur H. Rotstein
The Associated Press
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.25.2008
advertisementTUCSON — Environmentalists say flooding caused by a new border security fence in southwestern Arizona shows the structure is being built too quickly and without regard for the environment.
Critics say the design of the border fence caused debris and water backup during a July 12 storm that led to flooding at the port of entry at Lukeville and Sonoyta, Mexico, and at the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument.
"One of the reasons for it was the debris that accumulated on the fence itself," said Lee Baiza, superintendent of the monument, a 517-square-mile lush desert tract overseen by the National Park Service.
Environmental groups have criticized the manner in which the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and contractors for federal agencies have designed and built a range of fencing and vehicle barriers at various points along the Arizona-Mexico border.
In particular, they've denounced Homeland Defense Secretary Michael Chertoff's waiver of environmental laws to hasten construction as the Bush administration pushes to complete 670 miles of fences and other barriers by year's end along the nearly 2,000-mile Mexican border.
The barriers are intended to deter illegal immigrants and drug smugglers.
Critics have said the design of the pedestrian fencing being put in on the Arizona border is flawed. Much of that fencing consists of 10-foot wide and 15-foot tall steel-mesh panels, some featuring a series of wide horizontal grates at the bottom designed to let water and sediment flow through.
"While the Bush administration may claim it's taking environmental impacts of the border wall into consideration, building wire mesh fences across washes prone to debris-laden floods is fundamentally flawed," Robin Silver, a spokesman for the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement.
Defenders of Wildlife spokesman Matt Clark said what happened at Organ Pipe validates the warnings voiced to Homeland Security before construction started.
"It doesn't take an expert hydrologist to anticipate the potential for these walls to become like dams," Clark said, "especially in flash flood type of storms, where a lot of water and debris are generated very quickly and can pile up against the fences very rapidly."
He noted that rapidly moving runoff in washes dislodged or eroded large chunks of concrete foundations, and debris stacking up against the fence created barriers that redirected water, creating gullies and causing even more erosion.
Federal officials maintain that while Chertoff has invoked his waiver authority three times in Arizona, he has ordered Customs and Border Protection and Border Patrol officials to adhere to environmental requirements.
"We are still required to follow every environmental rule, regulation and policy," said Robert Gilbert, chief of the Border Patrol's Tucson sector. "He does not waive us doing what we would have to do without the waiver. So it doesn't change anything in the environment."
The Organ Pipe monument's staff produced a report earlier this month on the pedestrian fence's effect on the 330,000-acre monument's drainage systems and infrastructure.
It concluded that the fence failed to meet hydrologic performance standards of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers or standards set by the U.S. Border Patrol's final environmental assessment for the project.
That assessment determined that the 5.2-mile pedestrian fence would have no significant impact on the monument's environmental features.
But the recent monument report said its own staff had raised concerns last year over the fence-building plans, based on knowledge of local flash flooding.
The July 12 storm dumped as much as 2 inches of rain in about 90 minutes in the area, and water running through washes on the monument backed up as debris piled along the base of the fence.
It created pools up to seven feet deep and flows several hundred feet wide that eroded some areas along patrol roads. The waters even scoured some fence and vehicle barrier foundations.
"The monument had suggested that they take into consideration everything that can happen with a weather event," particularly an accumulation of debris, Baiza said. "We had a concern that this was going to happen."
Baiza said the fence designers are being asked to come back and study the drainages again to come up with alternatives.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 10:26 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Major weight tossed in Phoenix,.......that place is becoming downright unfriendly to creepos,

be forewarned,...it's a "Fluid Situation",......and they'll be setting up in a neighborhood near you,........next.


GTC

Link: http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stori...ed.11e0906.html

134 pounds of meth seized in Phoenix; 3 suspects arrested

More Phoenix Local News

04:19 PM Mountain Standard Time on Friday, August 22, 2008

U.S. Department of Justice

The following is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice -- Drug Enforcement Administration:



U.S. Dept. of Justice



Phoenix -- On August 22, 2008, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), in conjunction with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Contraband Smuggling Unit arrested 3 individuals and seized 134 pounds of "Ice" Methamphetamine and 4 kilograms of cocaine making it one of the state's largest methamphetamine seizures.

The investigation targeted a major Mexican drug trafficking organization that smuggled cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana through Arizona for further distribution throughout the United States. On August 22, DEA and ICE agents executed a takedown on key members of the organization when they were observed moving the drugs from a one stash house to another in Phoenix.

The estimated retail (street) value of the methamphetamine is more than $4.8 million dollars

DEA Special Agent in Charge Elizabeth W. Kempshall said, "Today's operation is a major strike against the Mexican drug cartels that have made Phoenix Metropolitan area a primary hub of drug distribution. We have removed more than 4.8 million dollars of filthy money from these traffickers and have taken hundreds of pounds of dangerous drugs off our streets. These criminal organizations that prey upon the weak and addicted should know that the law enforcement partnerships in Phoenix are solid, strong and will be fighting you everyday to keep our communities and our citizens safe."

Crystal methamphetamine, known as "ice," is a highly addictive form of methamphetamine, a stimulant. On the illicit market it is sold in small, inexpensive dosage units that are smoked or injected. Smoking delivers large quantities of methamphetamine to the lungs, producing effects comparable to intravenous injection; these effects are almost immediate after smoking and very intense. "Ice" abuse also results in hallucinations and paranoia.

SAC Kempshall credited the cooperation of ICE and the Phoenix Police Department


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That loss was just a part of doing business. The Mex. criminal organizations are cooking meth. in industrial amounts. What was seized doesn't amount to piss in the ocean, as to what's getting through. I am glad they got it off the street though, but it's no major setback to the "tweekers".
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 10:37 PM

Hunter, you are just always such a bright cheerful ray of sunshine .

Would killing "Tweekers" on sight be a "Setback".

I know ya'll "Officers" can't do that,.....job security and all,....

Some folks don't have those constraints.......or particularly want them.

While seeking solutions.

Just askin' like.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 10:57 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Hunter, you are just always such a bright cheerful ray of sunshine .

Would killing "Tweekers" on sight be a "Setback".

I know ya'll "Officers" can't do that,.....job security and all,....

Some folks don't have those constraints.......or particularly want them.

While seeking solutions.

Just askin' like.

GTC



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I just state fact, don't want to blow smoke up your ass. \:\)

This was a good lick for PPD, but in the big picture of things this was a morsel, as to the amount of Meth that's smuggled into this country from Mex.

I live in a state and work in an area that probably produced more Meth. at one time, then anywhere in the SE.

It's all but dried up, regarding local cooking. It's easier to buy Mex. Meth. it's just as plentiful and without the hassles of getting the ingredients and the taking a hit for cooking versus possession.

As far a killing tweekers, they kill themselves anyway, after awhile of smoking, snorting, or injecting the stuff.

I was watching a show on Discovery Channel the other night, that brought back memories as to how Meth can destroy a community.

The story was about Marshall Co. AL. a rural mountainous county in N. AL. they had an area of the county they called Meth Mtn.

I am familiar with the area and understand what LE and the community had gone through and is still going through and it's effect upon the community.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 11:08 PM

Yup, you're right,....we'll just leave things the way they are,.....

wouldn't want to upset any applecarts now,....would we.

"Meth that's smuggled into this country from Mex."



It IS a riot to be advised about smuggling, outta' Mex.,....from Tenn.

WE'RE JUST LAUGHING OUR ASSES OFF, HERE IN COCHISE COUNTY.

....thanks for the heads up on that.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 11:24 PM

"I live in a state and work in an area that probably produced more Meth. at one time, then anywhere in the SE.

It's all but dried up, regarding local cooking. It's easier to buy Mex. Meth. it's just as plentiful and without the hassles of getting the ingredients and the taking a hit for cooking versus possession.

As far a killing tweekers, they kill themselves anyway, after awhile of smoking, snorting, or injecting the stuff."

**********************************

AN Indeterminate answer, right up the middle of the PC road,


Well that's pretty much what I figured,.....

.........You "Officers" of the "Law" can't really do a damn thing to get a handle on this.

So quit pontificating,...and let the M word an V word folks with some goddam spine deal with it.............

" Hey Man, .....I'm just doin' my job, ....yadda,....blah,...."

No,...by your own admission, you are NOT.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 11:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Yup, you're right,....we'll just leave things the way they are,.....

wouldn't want to upset any applecarts now,....would we.

"Meth that's smuggled into this country from Mex."



It IS a riot to be advised about smuggling, outta' Mex.,....from Tenn.

WE'RE JUST LAUGHING OUR ASSES OFF, HERE IN COCHISE COUNTY.

....thanks for the heads up on that.

GTC


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The Mex. criminal organizations have as good of a logistic operation as UPS, they distribute Meth all over the US.

That's to be said for any organized criminal activity. I've seen marijuana, seized in this state that was grown and imported from British Columbia, known as "BC bud", it's a high quality, high THC marijuana.

I am not saying that it's right or correct that the smuggling is going on, at this point in time you nor myself, can do a whole lot about it, and that's an undisputed fact.

This smuggling of narcotics isn't about one or two Mexicans, it's about an organized criminal activity, equal to that of the mafia. They're not stupid, nor unorganized, nor lacking in the knowledge of the business.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 11:36 PM

No kidding,.....

we KNOW that it's complete chaos,......

we KNOW that the people that have been paid (VERY Well) to control and interdict have failed,.....ignominiously and abysmally,......

I'd venture that the way the "System" works,.....and having to "Toe the Line"....AKA kiss bosses AZZ.....is involved.

Don't particularly care, either,....bottom line here Hunter , is that your outfits ( LEOs) have pretty much failed,.....

You've acknowledged that yourself, assuming ( I don't like assumption) that we're both reading and writing in English.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 11:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
No kidding,.....

we KNOW that it's complete chaos,......

we KNOW that the people that have been paid (VERY Well) to control and interdict have failed,.....ignominiously and abysmally,......

I'd venture that the way the "System" works,.....and having to "Toe the Line"....AKA kiss bosses AZZ.....is involved.

Don't particularly care, either,....bottom line here Hunter , is that your outfits ( LEOs) have pretty much failed,.....

You've acknowledged that yourself, assuming ( I don't like assumption) that we're both reading and writing in English.

GTC

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The powers to be, those well above the USBP and other LE agencies set the rules as to how the game is to be played. You play by the rules and do what you can or your out of the game.

I don't think the failure is due to the USBP or other LE organizations. The individual agents/LEO's want to do the best job they can. But you can only do so much when your corraled and controlled. It's a reactive environment, not proactive.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/25/08 11:57 PM

" You play by the rules and do what you can or your out of the game."

I'll remember that, if I ever start playing games.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:00 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
"I live in a state and work in an area that probably produced more Meth. at one time, then anywhere in the SE.

It's all but dried up, regarding local cooking. It's easier to buy Mex. Meth. it's just as plentiful and without the hassles of getting the ingredients and the taking a hit for cooking versus possession.

As far a killing tweekers, they kill themselves anyway, after awhile of smoking, snorting, or injecting the stuff."

**********************************

AN Indeterminate answer, right up the middle of the PC road,


Well that's pretty much what I figured,.....

.........You "Officers" of the "Law" can't really do a damn thing to get a handle on this.

So quit pontificating,...and let the M word an V word folks with some goddam spine deal with it.............

" Hey Man, .....I'm just doin' my job, ....yadda,....blah,...."

No,...by your own admission, you are NOT.

GTC




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Who's the M & V people? As far as LE we just can't up and shoot someone cause their there. You know, this border thing has your BP elevated. Have you ever thought of moving away so you don't have to see it and deal with it, or are you restricted by some manner, to have to stay there.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:02 AM

Nice chorus from another displaced Coonass,....

Kerry Grombacher, N.O.La.

" Well this is not the distant past, the old west of history, these are the waning days of the 20th century,
we still pray for rainfall and we struggle for the brand, we still need some LAWMEN that are ridin' for the brand"

Night, all,

gtc
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:06 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" You play by the rules and do what you can or your out of the game."

I'll remember that, if I ever start playing games.

GTC


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That's the way it is, if your an employee of an agency, you do as your required within the policies and procedures that are set forth.

You either learn to deal with it or you seek employment outside of LE. Doesn't matter if you work for a city, county, state or Fed. agency to include the US Mil. There's no place for rogue BS.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:16 AM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
"I live in a state and work in an area that probably produced more Meth. at one time, then anywhere in the SE.

It's all but dried up, regarding local cooking. It's easier to buy Mex. Meth. it's just as plentiful and without the hassles of getting the ingredients and the taking a hit for cooking versus possession.

As far a killing tweekers, they kill themselves anyway, after awhile of smoking, snorting, or injecting the stuff."

**********************************

AN Indeterminate answer, right up the middle of the PC road,


Well that's pretty much what I figured,.....

.........You "Officers" of the "Law" can't really do a damn thing to get a handle on this.

So quit pontificating,...and let the M word an V word folks with some goddam spine deal with it.............

" Hey Man, .....I'm just doin' my job, ....yadda,....blah,...."

No,...by your own admission, you are NOT.

GTC




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Who's the M & V people? As far as LE we just can't up and shoot someone cause their there. You know, this border thing has your BP elevated. Have you ever thought of moving away so you don't have to see it and deal with it, or are you restricted by some manner, to have to stay there.


The Motor and Vehicular collectors,....certainly nothing else,......what on earth else could you think I spoke of ....."M & V"

In all honesty,.....My BP is looking pretty cool,....and a sensible diet ( Life is Good Post) of food GROWN here, on MY land, suits me.....in short,....no, I don't feel like leaving, and ain't planning that.

Your "Move away so's you don't have to see it" proposal just further solidifies my thesis that you just go in and collect wages,.....and try to survive.

I respect that, and PRAY for all of you daily,... that have to strap on one of those filthy Cop Cars,....and go out and do what you do....

I DON"T have to do that,....and I damn sure don't have to accept this current debacle as "Just the way things are"

I would suggest in all honesty that those who cynically espouse that approach are part of the problem,....and dangerously close to being identified as co-conspirators,.....

This ain't Mexico,....and you damn sure ain't my Doctor, Hunter.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:22 AM

THIS IS MY HOME,......

Link: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads...e/3#Post2389949

all pictured grown here, Cop says "Move Away".

I really have to wonder about this "Anti LEO" horseshit

I mean ....."Move Away"....?

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:30 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
"I live in a state and work in an area that probably produced more Meth. at one time, then anywhere in the SE.

It's all but dried up, regarding local cooking. It's easier to buy Mex. Meth. it's just as plentiful and without the hassles of getting the ingredients and the taking a hit for cooking versus possession.

As far a killing tweekers, they kill themselves anyway, after awhile of smoking, snorting, or injecting the stuff."

**********************************

AN Indeterminate answer, right up the middle of the PC road,


Well that's pretty much what I figured,.....

.........You "Officers" of the "Law" can't really do a damn thing to get a handle on this.

So quit pontificating,...and let the M word an V word folks with some goddam spine deal with it.............

" Hey Man, .....I'm just doin' my job, ....yadda,....blah,...."

No,...by your own admission, you are NOT.

GTC




++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Who's the M & V people? As far as LE we just can't up and shoot someone cause their there. You know, this border thing has your BP elevated. Have you ever thought of moving away so you don't have to see it and deal with it, or are you restricted by some manner, to have to stay there.


The Motor and Vehicular collectors,....certainly nothing else,......what on earth else could you think I spoke of ....."M & V"

In all honesty,.....My BP is looking pretty cool,....and a sensible diet ( Life is Good Post) of food GROWN here, on MY land, suits me.....in short,....no, I don't feel like leaving, and ain't planning that.

Your "Move away so's you don't have to see it" proposal just further solidifies my thesis that you just go in and collect wages,.....and try to survive.

I respect that, and PRAY for all of you daily,... that have to strap on one of those filthy Cop Cars,....and go out and do what you do....

I DON"T have to do that,....and I damn sure don't have to accept this current debacle as "Just the way things are"

I would suggest in all honesty that those who cynically espouse that approach are part of the problem,....and dangerously close to being identified as co-conspirators,.....

This ain't Mexico,....and you damn sure ain't my Doctor, Hunter.

GTC




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My point is that everyday you bitch about the border, i figured if someone bitches about something day in and day out, they don't like it. That's why i suggested moving away.

Oh by the way, i can grow greenbeans and peppers here too.

What is it that you think that LE should do? Do you think that individual officers should start shooting Mexicans on sight throughout the US?

That'll go along way to solve the problem, when all the cops are locked up in prison serving murder sentences.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:40 AM

I think that it is EMPHATICALLY NOT my place to "Think" or in any other way indicate what "LE" should do.

My job is to Farm, Ranch and look after kids and Old Folk,.....

and in all honesty I'm sorry to scrape bone here,......but it's very un-deniable that you've acknowledged the failure of your chosen career / Career group,....whatever.

All's I'm getting at is PONTIFICATION,....about the way "Things Are" can be at times percieved as defeatist blather,....horse pucky,......childish "play by rules"........

.....surely you're not suggesting that the American Patriot, Veteran, ....or just plain Joe,.......has to accept MS 13 as "Part of every day life" ?

, as "Status Quo",..........if so,....we will forever differ.

I'm for a short nap, ....after a great productive day,......

Good soft rain happening,.......very green desert,....

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:50 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
I think that it is EMPHATICALLY NOT my place to "Think" or in any other way indicate what "LE" should do.

My job is to Farm, Ranch and look after kids and Old Folk,.....

and in all honesty I'm sorry to scrape bone here,......but it's very un-deniable that you've acknowledged the failure of your chosen career / Career group,....whatever.

All's I'm getting at is PONTIFICATION,....about the way "Things Are" can be at times percieved as defeatist blather,....horse pucky,......childish "play by rules"........

.....surely you're not suggesting that the American Patriot, Veteran, ....or just plain Joe,.......has to accept MS 13 as "Part of every day life" ?

, as "Status Quo",..........if so,....we will forever differ.

I'm for a short nap, ....after a great productive day,......

Good soft rain happening,.......very green desert,....

GTC


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I am just stating fact, we in LE do what we can do, and that's about it. We're not some magic organization that can stop every criminal activity in the US, from illegal aliens to dope smugglers, to gangbangers. It's like hunting and fishing, some days you do well, somedays you get skunked.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:56 AM

" ............. We're not some magic organization that can stop every criminal activity in the US, from illegal aliens to dope smugglers........................."



Bingo,...that's what I wanted to hear,......

So QUIT lecturing about the way it is,.........Dig?

Ya'll need a little help,

....it's happening, as much as ya'll dis-like accepting it.

M& V,......

GTC
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 06:22 AM

Hunter, he just just putting up the facts that we are being invaded, and I am in the same camp as he is on this. Move, that ain't an option, WTF should he have to move because the law ain't being enforced. Don't be surprised when the ranchers start practicing the 3 S's alot more. Nice thing about tresspassing laws down there, they can enforce them as citizens of the state. Les
Posted by: RoninPhx

observation - 08/26/08 07:16 AM

My point is that everyday you bitch about the border, i figured if someone bitches about something day in and day out, they don't like it. That's why i suggested moving away.

Oh by the way, i can grow greenbeans and peppers here too.

What is it that you think that LE should do? Do you think that individual officers should start shooting Mexicans on sight throughout the US?

That'll go along way to solve the problem, when all the cops are locked up in prison serving murder sentences

Well actually I have been at greg's place, where he grows those chille's. No, there is no MOVE AWAY, it's a nice place. My family has been in arizona since the 1800's, and there is no MOVE AWAY. I, like others, including some of the posters on this thread, have personal lives and family interwoven with mexico. What sometimes people don't get, it isn't the mexican people that aggravates us, it's the U.S. and Mexican government policies that allow and condone an impossible situation where people on both sides of the border are being harmed. If anybody doesn't think it's a war zone, try camping along the border for a few days, and see if you have a story to tell if you come back.
Life is cheap in mexico, and that translates into problems in arizona. Most of the violence by the way, is mexican on mexican.
Such as the three people that were capped in the head by coyotes a year or so ago, near where I intend on dove hunting in a few weeks. It is just so odd to plan on camping out near a water hole in the desert, to pop a few dove, and have to worry about perimeter guards. As to that area around sierra vista, it is one of my favorite places in arizona, and I only wish that I had the money to get a little place down there. As to the law enforcement agencies along the border, a couple of years ago I was talking to a 27 year veteran of the F.B.I. His comment to my face was his opinion that about 60% or higher of the border law enforcement agencies were dirty. Drug money buys alot
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 08:05 AM

 Originally Posted By: Violator22
Hunter, he just just putting up the facts that we are being invaded, and I am in the same camp as he is on this. Move, that ain't an option, WTF should he have to move because the law ain't being enforced. Don't be surprised when the ranchers start practicing the 3 S's alot more. Nice thing about tresspassing laws down there, they can enforce them as citizens of the state. Les


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You don't think i see it daily? I've seen it for the last ten years the people, the drugs, all coming out of Mex.

I am very well aware of the issues on the border. As i've stated before, i've been to El Paso, where i have a friend who's a supervisory BP agent. I've been given a tour of the EL Paso BP enforcement region, at the same level as the agents.

I've seen what's happening there. It's been years since i've been to the S. AZ region, but i understand their plight.

Hell, i worked at one time in a county, that the illegals were probably 20% of the population due to the employment given by the nursery owners. It was status quo, they weren't picked up or raided by INS, because it was a "Yellow Dog" Democratic county.

The old Dem's owned the nurseries and had the big money, the illegals were basically hands off to LE, and they were owned by the nurserymen.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 08:15 AM

 Originally Posted By: Violator22
Hunter, he just just putting up the facts that we are being invaded, and I am in the same camp as he is on this. Move, that ain't an option, WTF should he have to move because the law ain't being enforced. Don't be surprised when the ranchers start practicing the 3 S's alot more. Nice thing about tresspassing laws down there, they can enforce them as citizens of the state. Les


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What do you not think that the Mex. organized crime gangs, aren't armed and won't shoot either? The arming of those involved will not be a onesided issue. The number of ranchers, landowners who's land back up to the border are probably quite small in number compaired to the number of Mexicans, who are crossing into the country.

Good luck, on trying to eliminate them, we tried the same thing in the SE involving blacks many years ago, it didn't work and this citizen Army against the Mex's. won't either.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 08:21 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" ............. We're not some magic organization that can stop every criminal activity in the US, from illegal aliens to dope smugglers........................."



Bingo,...that's what I wanted to hear,......

So QUIT lecturing about the way it is,.........Dig?

Ya'll need a little help,

....it's happening, as much as ya'll dis-like accepting it.

M& V,......

GTC


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If the border LE agencies need any help, it won't be coming from a bunch of trigger happy citizens.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 08:28 AM

"If the border LE agencies need any help, it won't be coming from a bunch of trigger happy citizens"


It looks like they need some help as the border isn't secure at all. Where would the help come from?
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 08:56 AM

 Originally Posted By: g5m
"If the border LE agencies need any help, it won't be coming from a bunch of trigger happy citizens"


It looks like they need some help as the border isn't secure at all. Where would the help come from?


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At one point i was hoping the Mil. but the only borders that they're involved in right at the moment is in Iraq & Afghan.

The DOD had at one time put troops on the border, but i don't think it was as planned and organized as it could of been. There were some issues regarding authority and use of force etc.

I was hoping that the Natl. Guard units of the states involved, Ca, Az, Nm, Tx, would be deployed, their more familiar with the area and have more at stake then a regular Mil. unit.

That idea won't work because they're all being deployed to Iraq/Afghan. on a regular basis.

At this present time we have to go with what we've got, USBP and others, and hope they do the best job they can.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 10:53 AM

Yes, but it appears that the political powers are not interested in securing the border so military intervention is unlikely other than observation, maybe. The BP seems to have too much to do. The only notable elected official in AZ who seems to be trying to enforce the law is Sheriff Joe Arpaio who regularly is pilloried by the local papers.
So, it's a mess.
And, thanks to crossfireoops, a lot of people here on the Fire are becoming more aware of the problem.
I haven't seen him whining or complaining, just reporting facts.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 11:49 AM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" ............. We're not some magic organization that can stop every criminal activity in the US, from illegal aliens to dope smugglers........................."



Bingo,...that's what I wanted to hear,......

So QUIT lecturing about the way it is,.........Dig?

Ya'll need a little help,

....it's happening, as much as ya'll dis-like accepting it.

M& V,......

GTC


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If the border LE agencies need any help, it won't be coming from a bunch of trigger happy citizens.


.............You should quit putting words in people's mouth, Hunter,........FWIW my pards and I have BUILT the ranges that USBP, and Sierra Vista PD, and a chitload of other "Lettered" agencies use,.....24-7................and we've done it as VOLUNTEERS.
We operate that range partnered with Az. Game and Fish.

You seem quite dis-satisfied with the concept of a "Citizen" excercising his rights,.......that or your getting all balled up,....and need to READ what you've written,....prior to hitting submit.

As far as re-adjusting the interminably boring and ineffective status quo goes,.....we have a fairly dynamic candidate for County Sheriff at this time,.....and he candidly and unabashedly ENDORSES the activities and actions of both the Minutemen Project,....AND the American Border Patrol.

check it out:

Link: http://www.billcloudsheriff2008.com/

Trigger happy citizens,....my foot.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 11:58 AM

 Originally Posted By: g5m
Yes, but it appears that the political powers are not interested in securing the border so military intervention is unlikely other than observation, maybe. The BP seems to have too much to do. The governor of Arizona made a name for herself by prosecuting an Arizona rancher who detained two illegals trespassing on his ranch when she was a Clinton U.S. Attorney, so there's not much help there. The only notable elected official in AZ who seems to be trying to enforce the law is Sheriff Joe Arpaio who regularly is pilloried by the local papers.
So, it's a mess.
And, thanks to crossfireoops, a lot of people here on the Fire are becoming more aware of the problem.
I haven't seen him whining or complaining, just reporting facts.


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I don't have the answers but the answer isn't going to be armed citizens or a malitia. As i've stated before Sheriff Joe, is one man in one county in one state. That's all he is, he's done a good job in that one county, but that's as far as it goes.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:08 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" ............. We're not some magic organization that can stop every criminal activity in the US, from illegal aliens to dope smugglers........................."



Bingo,...that's what I wanted to hear,......

So QUIT lecturing about the way it is,.........Dig?

Ya'll need a little help,

....it's happening, as much as ya'll dis-like accepting it.

M& V,......

GTC


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If the border LE agencies need any help, it won't be coming from a bunch of trigger happy citizens.


.............You should quit putting words in people's mouth, Hunter,........FWIW my pards and I have BUILT the ranges that USBP, and Sierra Vista PD, and a chitload of other "Lettered" agencies use,.....24-7................and we've done it as VOLUNTEERS.
We operate that range partnered with Az. Game and Fish.

You seem quite dis-satisfied with the concept of a "Citizen" excercising his rights,.......that or your getting all balled up,....and need to READ what you've written,....prior to hitting submit.

As far as re-adjusting the interminably boring and ineffective status quo goes,.....we have a fairly dynamic candidate for County Sheriff at this time,.....and he candidly and unabashedly ENDORSES the activities and actions of both the Minutemen Project,....AND the American Border Patrol.

check it out:

Link: http://www.billcloudsheriff2008.com/

Trigger happy citizens,....my foot.

GTC


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That's good of you to build those ranges, nice thing to do.

As far as the border being controlled by armed citizens, don't see it happening. I am not saying, that it's wrong if it does come to that, i just don't see it happening.

As far as Bill McCloud, i've read the story you put up on this site. You've got to get him elected first and keep him in office after he's elected. That's not as easy as you think it is, i've dealt with more Sheriff elections, i bet then you ever have, and my experiences are from the inside.

I really don't care what you sand rats do on the border, i'll still help to make the arrests of the folks who bring the drugs into my area from your area. Good luck to you.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:16 PM

Ever the bright and cheerful little ray of Sunshine,.....

" I really don't care what you sand rats do on the border,",

............... Than I guess we can count on you taking your defeatist attitude and butting out..........?

You really should, you know.

GTC

Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:30 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Ever the bright and cheerful little ray of Sunshine,.....

" I really don't care what you sand rats do on the border,",

............... Than I guess we can count on you taking your defeatist attitude and butting out..........?

You really should, you know.

GTC



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Defeatest attitude, how many many illegals have you ever arrested?

How many cases involving interdiction on a US interstate have you made, involving illegal narcotics smuggled in from Mexico?

Don't tell me that i am a defeatest, i am just not on your little parade of shooting folks just because their there or any of the other silly concepts.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:53 PM

Hunter, .....are you REALLY sure you're not "Gene"....?

I have to wonder,.........

If not , you are acting like a worthy successor

GTC
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 12:56 PM

"I don't have the answers but the answer isn't going to be armed citizens or a malitia. As i've stated before Sheriff Joe, is one man in one county in one state. That's all he is, he's done a good job in that one county, but that's as far as it goes."

You're right, of course. But he is making a difference locally. Unfortunately Hispanic people who are natives or legals are becoming somewhat fearful of him and his methods.

He is sheriff of a pretty sizeable county at over 9200 square miles.
And there's plenty of crime from illegals in AZ that has to be dealt with.
It seems that stopping the flow would relieve your problems as well as problems in AZ.
The fix, whatever that is, will have to come from Washington and this problem doesn't even seem to be on the radar screen.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:03 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Hunter, .....are you REALLY sure you're not "Gene"....?

I have to wonder,.........

If not , you are acting like a worthy successor

GTC


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Why do you say that, because i don't agree with your idealogy's?

Hell, i am dealing with the illegals and drugs in my part of the world, what are you doing other then pissing and whining about it?

Why don't you go to work for Cochise Co. S.O. or USBP, except your probably too old and broke down to. Complaining about the issues on the border, isn't going to fix a darn thing.

I agree that the issue needs to be corrected but a Sheriff in Phoenix and in Bisbee isn't going to correct the problem overnight from one end of the state of Az. to the other.

Cochise Co. is a large Co. you've got a Mil. installation and many miles of open spaces. You might get a new Sheriff, but don't be surprised if your taxes go up, because the cost of doing business is expensive.

It's going to include an increase in personnel and etc. to pull it off in a legal manner. I can promise you this, that's the last thing that a first term Sheriff wants is a bunch of legal issues, caused internally from within the agency or externally by citizen groups.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:12 PM

" i am just not on your little parade of shooting folks just because their there or any of the other silly concepts."

.......Shooting Folks,.......I guess, ( hope? ) you are aware that the comment above, and the context in which you identify us comes across as being disparaging,...and rings of contempt ?
Like ,....just what exactly is wrong with being shooting folks ?

" Why don't you go to work for Cochise Co. S.O. or USBP, except your probably too old and broke down to. Complaining about the issues on the border, isn't going to fix a darn thing. "

............and disrespect for one's elders isn't going to improve anyone here's respect or regard for you,.......

That just comes across like a mouthy young PUNK,....No?

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:17 PM

For all the Humans out there,......Rights,

Mississippi heats up, about wicked ICE


Link: http://www.galeo.org/agenda.php?agenda_id=0000000491

Human Rights Alert! USHRN CALLS FOR HALT TO ICE RAIDS IN MISSISSIPPI
Written by USHRN
Posted on 2008-08-26



Human Rights Alert ~ Human Rights Alert ~ Human Rights Alert







ICE raids in Mississippi across in Mississippi result in the imprisonment of hundreds of undocumented workers.




Mississippi Immigrants Rights Alliance (MIRA) has issued an emergency call for volunteer criminal attorneys to help represent the undocumented workers that now face criminal charges under SB 2988 (for more information please see USHRN release below). If you are a criminal attorney and/or would like more information on the legal team, please contact Patricia Ice at 601 940 6749.




MIRA is also calling for a repeal (see text below) of SB 2988.




You can contact Governor Haley Barbour at:

Telephone 601 359 3100

Fax at 601 359 3741

Email at governor@governor.state.ms.us,




Below is the USHRN press release that was issued on Monday. For more information on this unfolding crisis, please contact MIRA at (601)968-5182.







For Immediate Release
Contact Information

Monday, August 25, 2008
Janvieve Williams, jwilliams@ushrnetwork.org

404 610 2807

Bill Chandler

601 594 3564





US Human Rights Network calls for halt to ICE raids in Mississippi




On Monday August 25, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) conducted a raid at Howard Industries in Laurel, Mississippi that resulted in the arrest of more than 350 undocumented workers. Among the many arrested workers were heads of households and pregnant women. While Catholic Social Services and other community organizations have accounted for more than 150 children of the workers, dozens are still unaccounted for.




This ICE raid is the latest blow to undocumented workers and employers in Mississippi, coming soon after legislative passage of an anti-immigration bill (SB 2988), which mandates that employers conduct verification checks of all employees and subjects undocumented employees as well as employers who do not comply to harsh sanctions. The arrested workers now face not only deportation but the real possibility of criminal prosecution. The new law makes working in the state of Mississippi while undocumented a felony and calls for "imprisonment in the custody of the Department of Corrections for not less than one (1) year nor more than five (5) years, a fine of not less than one thousand dollars ($1,000) nor more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) or both... Anyone charged with the crime of working without papers will not be eligible for bail."




"The raids in Mississippi have a significance that go well beyond the borders of that state," says Ajamu Baraka, Executive Director of the US Human Rights Network. "These raids violate international human rights standards and are designed to evoke fear in migrant communities across the country. Lou Dobbs and the Minutemen should not be setting U.S. immigration policy."




The US Human Rights Network has information that immigration raids might continue in Mississippi until Wednesday, which means that families will continue to be torn apart, more children will be abandoned, and more workers will be charged as felons for the crime of seeking to provide for their families. "It is a real contradiction with our supposed values that ICE is arresting workers and locking up their families," says Bill Chandler, Executive Director of Mississippi Immigrant Rights Alliance. "In the name of fighting terror, ICE is creating terror in communities in Mississippi."




In conjunction with their failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform legislation, states across the country have increasingly taken it upon themselves to undermine the rights and dignity of workers under the guise of upholding U.S. law. To anyone who values universal human rights and the obligations that come with them, this is unacceptable.







For more information please visit US Human Rights Network member organization Mississippi Immigrant Rights Alliance page at http://www.yourmira.org or http://www.ushrnetwork.org. The US Human Rights Network is a membership based organization of more than 250 U.S.-based organizations and over 1200 individuals working on the full spectrum of human rights issues. For more information, please visit our website: http://www.ushrnetwork.org
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:24 PM

Holistic "Win-Win",......?

This guy, Sarukhan needs to spend some time in Juarez,....

Reckon we oughta' send him a link to this thread ?



Link: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/mexico-and-others-keep-tabs-at.html

Mexico and others keep tabs at Democratic convention
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Conventions attract party activists, fat cats, media types, protesters - and most of the diplomatic corps posted to Washington. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright hosted a party for 100 or so diplomats in Denver to schmooze the folks who might be running this country in a few months.

One key player: Mexico's ambassador to the United States, Arturo Sarukhan, who'll also be in St. Paul next week for the GOP confab.


"The Mexican government is looking to see, in both conventions, points of view regarding immigration reform that are holistic, that make sense, and that are an obvious win-win for both countries," the ambassador said after sitting in on a forum on immigration policy in the next administration. He echoed the experts' assessment that Barack Obama and John McCain would both seek comprehensive reform, something his government strongly favors.

For Ambassador Sarukhan, the conventions offer a way to pack weeks of work into a few days.

"This is a microcosm of my daily work. I have meetings here with governors, and mayors and trade unions, and congressmen," he said, after a chat with Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, a key player on immigration, and before a meeting with leaders of the Service Employees International Union, whose membership includes lots of Mexican émigrés. "I'll meet with businessmen, I will meet with NGOs, I will meet grassroots organizations."

And immigration is hardly the only issue. He cited free trade, the drug fight, and "how we fight new threats to security in the region."

"This is one way that Mexico ensures that it is present, that we have all our antennae up, and that we're picking up what's being discussed in both conventions," he said. "If we were a country that was 4,000 miles away on the other side of the Atlantic, maybe we wouldn't be as interested in following these issues closely. But we have a 3,000 km border with the United States, and as such, it behooves us to have a full understanding of the positions of the candidates, how the parties are moving, what are the some of the groups that are working with the parties and what their positions are."
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:26 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" i am just not on your little parade of shooting folks just because their there or any of the other silly concepts."

.......Shooting Folks,.......I guess, ( hope? ) you are aware that the comment above, and the context in which you identify us comes across as being disparaging,...and rings of contempt ?
Like ,....just what exactly is wrong with being shooting folks ?

" Why don't you go to work for Cochise Co. S.O. or USBP, except your probably too old and broke down to. Complaining about the issues on the border, isn't going to fix a darn thing. "

............and disrespect for one's elders isn't going to improve anyone here's respect or regard for you,.......

That just comes across like a mouthy young PUNK,....No?

GTC






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Your fix to the situation is to shoot Mexicans, legal or illegal, isn't it???

You should know when you move onto a border area in the SW, your going to have to deal with Mexicans, that's just a fact of life. This isn't something new it's been going on for years, twenty, thirty or more.

I bet when Bill Jorgan was with the USBP, they were dealing with the same issues.

What you don't like, is that i don't get on your bandwagon and scream" shoot'em, shoot'em, shoot em all, regarding the Mexicans.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:32 PM

Uhh,......... those that know me here will verify that I have In-Laws in Mexico,....grew up in Latin America, worked all around Mex., S.and Central America ( teaching, Tech) and speak the language with certain skill.

You are not only acting like a mouthy punk,...you are cornering the market on wierdness, to boot.

Quit putting words in other people's mouths, show them the basic respect that's shown you,...or Butt out,......

That's a fair suggestion,.....right?

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:40 PM

Doggone it,....another "Catch and Release" gone way bad.

Link: http://southshore2.tbo.com/content/2008/...g-of-rape/news/

Brown-Waite, Sheriff Clash Over Handling Of Rape Cases



By JOSH POLTILOVE

The Tampa Tribune

Published: August 26, 2008

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TAMPA - When Hillsborough County deputies arrested Rigoberto Moron Martinez on a domestic violence-related charge on Aug. 5, they knew he was a suspect in another investigation in St. Petersburg.

They soon suspected he might be in the country illegally as well.

They let him loose seven hours later anyway. Investigators say that nine days later, Martinez robbed an Apollo Beach restaurant and raped two female employees. Martinez has since been linked to a St. Petersburg rape and robbery, a July 19 assault in Ellenton and a home invasion and rape in Gibsonton, also in July.

Authorities' handling of the case has prompted a round of finger-pointing, including between Hillsborough County Sheriff David Gee and U.S. Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite.

Brown-Waite, R-Brooksville, is calling for a review of the interaction, "or lack thereof," between Hillsborough law enforcement and immigration officials in connection with Martinez's arrest.

She sent a letter Monday to U.S. Attorney Robert O'Neill, saying action should have been taken to make sure Martinez wasn't set free and asking the U.S. Attorney's Office to determine whether federal laws were violated or ignored.

Several Florida women's lives "have been permanently scarred by these brutal rapes; events that could have been avoided if Hillsborough County had followed the law, reported this illegal immigrant to federal authorities and held him for trial and deportation," Brown-Waite said in a statement. "It is clear to me that we need a federal investigation of the events surrounding the arrest and release of this man, and if warranted, new leadership at the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office."

Gee said the office followed normal protocol in dealing with Martinez and described the congresswoman's call for a federal investigation as naive and politically motivated.

In a statement e-mailed Monday to The Tampa Tribune, the sheriff's office said: "Congresswoman Brown-Waite may have been better served getting answers to her questions before attempting to gain political traction at the expense of the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

"While she awaits our response, perhaps this elected official can ask herself where she failed as a member of Congress to secure our borders and enact meaningful legislation on immigration issues."

Martinez first came to the St. Petersburg Police Department's attention after a robbery and rape at The Table restaurant in St. Petersburg about 3 a.m. Aug. 3. He quickly became a suspect after restaurant officials told police Martinez was a disgruntled employee.

By that afternoon, investigators were talking with the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office about Martinez. By the next night, the St. Petersburg Police Department's special investigative unit had him under surveillance, hoping to surreptitiously get a DNA sample and find out who he was hanging out with.

Hillsborough County knew the unit was following Martinez and that Martinez was a suspect in a St. Petersburg robbery and rape, said St. Petersburg police spokesman Bill Proffitt.

Hillsborough County sheriff's spokesman J.D. Callaway said his office didn't know what Martinez was accused of doing, only that St. Petersburg police had an ongoing investigation involving him.

At that point, St. Petersburg investigators thought they were dealing with an isolated case in which a former restaurant employee committed a single crime in retaliation for a pay dispute.

On Aug. 5, investigators decided to arrest Martinez. He was arrested at about 9:45 p.m. by a Hillsborough County deputy at the request of the St. Petersburg unit on a misdemeanor count of failing to appear on a domestic-related charge.

Proffitt said St. Petersburg police notified the federal Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency of the arrest by telephone and teletype. He said that when the ICE agent on call was notified by telephone that Martinez was a suspect in a robbery and rape, the agent asked whether Martinez had been arrested on a felony. The agent was told no.

The ICE agent also asked whether Martinez had been deported previously and had re-entered the country illegally. The St. Petersburg investigator said he did not know.

The ICE agent told the investigator to send a fax about the situation to the federal agency's call center. St. Petersburg Detective Peter Venero sent the fax about Martinez's situation at 11:06 p.m., according to a copy provided by the St. Petersburg Police Department.

Martinez was released from jail at 4:43 a.m. on Aug. 6.

On Aug. 16, he attacked two Apollo Beach women, investigators have said. He was arrested again on Aug. 20 and remains in jail.

Brown-Waite said she wants to examine who made the mistakes.

"Unfortunately for the lives of the women raped by this illegal immigrant ringleader and his two accomplices, it appears that some area law enforcement officials may not have had the proper training and tools to work with ICE and federal officials," Brown-Waite wrote in her letter to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

"Hopefully, a federal investigation will identify the areas where Hillsborough County, St. Petersburg and ICE dropped the ball with identifying and deporting this man, and we can all work together to find ways to ensure that it won't happen again."

A directive from the Department of Justice says that whenever there's a congressional inquiry, the matter must be sent to the congressional affairs office, which must respond, U.S. Attorney O'Neill said.

Gee said Monday that Hillsborough jail officials contacted the immigration agency during Martinez's booking, and the agency immediately sent an automated response confirming it had received the information.

He produced a document Monday stating that immigration officials had received an inquiry about Martinez's legal status.

But ICE spokesman Ivan Ortiz could not confirm whether the agency had been notified. Even if immigration officials had received the notification, he said, Martinez would not have met the qualifications for a high-priority case.

Someone charged with aggravated crime such as rape, a person with a prior felony conviction, or a threat to national security would be considered a top priority, he said.

"I think we do the best we can with the resources that we have," Ortiz said.

Gee said Brown-Waite's criticism and call for a federal investigation are off the mark, adding that open borders are the problem, not his department's jails or an overwhelmed immigration agency.

In any given year, Gee said, about 75,000 people pass through Hillsborough jails, and roughly 10 percent potentially are illegal immigrants. He said immigration officials take action on only a small percentage of that group.

"This issue is so much bigger than what has been made by Mrs. Brown-Waite," the sheriff said.

Jose Walle, 13, of Wimauma, and Vicente Reyes-Carbajal, 20, of Ruskin, also were involved in some of the incidents, investigators said. Like Martinez, they are illegal immigrants, Ortiz said.

Deputies don't have access to federal immigration records and have no way of verifying someone's immigration status, Callaway said. However, deputies send lists of foreign-born inmates to immigration officials on a daily basis, he said.

Gee also said Brown-Waite's comments sound like someone running for office. Brown-Waite is seeking re-election to Florida's 5th Congressional District, which includes Hernando, Citrus and Sumter counties, and parts of Pasco, Polk, Lake, Levy and Marion counties.

It also looks like Brown-Waite may have company in her call for a review of how the case was handled. On Monday, Clay Phillips, chief of staff for U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Tampa, said Castor is in the process of drafting a letter to ICE.

"We want to figure out how the gaps can be closed," Phillips said. "Because it doesn't appear to be working for the community."
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 02:53 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Uhh,......... those that know me here will verify that I have In-Laws in Mexico,....grew up in Latin America, worked all around Mex., S.and Central America ( teaching, Tech) and speak the language with certain skill.

You are not only acting like a mouthy punk,...you are cornering the market on wierdness, to boot.

Quit putting words in other people's mouths, show them the basic respect that's shown you,...or Butt out,......

That's a fair suggestion,.....right?

GTC


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So tell me what it is that you expect to achieve by entering all these incidents from across the country on here?

Also what is your solution to correct the the border issue and stem the tide of illegal aliens and narcotics coming into the US? The floor is all yours........
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 05:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Uhh,......... those that know me here will verify that I have In-Laws in Mexico,....grew up in Latin America, worked all around Mex., S.and Central America ( teaching, Tech) and speak the language with certain skill.

You are not only acting like a mouthy punk,...you are cornering the market on wierdness, to boot.

Quit putting words in other people's mouths, show them the basic respect that's shown you,...or Butt out,......

That's a fair suggestion,.....right?

GTC


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So tell me what it is that you expect to achieve by entering all these incidents from across the country on here?

Also what is your solution to correct the the border issue and stem the tide of illegal aliens and narcotics coming into the US? The floor is all yours........



I'll be brief,

I feel singularly uninspired to try to explain ANYTHING to you Hunter,........you've already said you DON'T CARE

you are just entirely too confrontational,....and at times very abrasive in your approach.

If you don't like this thread,....quit reading it,....it's not like I'm posting it on a sign in your front yard.

You are one queer duck,.....and I reckon I'm not alone in that view.

As previously noted / suggested,....BUTT OUT.

GTC
Posted by: Ruger 4570

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 06:06 PM

Having lived a few miles North of the Border. I know all too well the problems with Mexicans coming here. I don't necessarily want to shoot them, but we NEED to CONTROL them. Actually, I have no problem with Mexicans in general, I just want them to respect OUR laws on immigration.
Go to Mexico with a single bullet in you possesion, you are looking at a long time in jail, yet we allow, "WHATEVER" here.
Something wrong with the equation..
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 06:22 PM

Just so the record's all clear on this,.......outside'a MS 13s and other deviates,.......the subject of "Shooting them" was not
part of the day to day establishment, and maintainance of this thread.

It has niether been suggested, or endorsed here.

That myth originated outta' Tenn. if I'm not mistaken.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 08:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Uhh,......... those that know me here will verify that I have In-Laws in Mexico,....grew up in Latin America, worked all around Mex., S.and Central America ( teaching, Tech) and speak the language with certain skill.

You are not only acting like a mouthy punk,...you are cornering the market on wierdness, to boot.

Quit putting words in other people's mouths, show them the basic respect that's shown you,...or Butt out,......

That's a fair suggestion,.....right?

GTC


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So tell me what it is that you expect to achieve by entering all these incidents from across the country on here?

Also what is your solution to correct the the border issue and stem the tide of illegal aliens and narcotics coming into the US? The floor is all yours........



I'll be brief,

I feel singularly uninspired to try to explain ANYTHING to you Hunter,........you've already said you DON'T CARE

you are just entirely too confrontational,....and at times very abrasive in your approach.

If you don't like this thread,....quit reading it,....it's not like I'm posting it on a sign in your front yard.

You are one queer duck,.....and I reckon I'm not alone in that view.

As previously noted / suggested,....BUTT OUT.

GTC


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Crossfire, i don't think you understand what happens on the border does effects me daily, i see drugs that can be traced back to Mexico in my state on a daily basis. I am doing my part to stop it's spread not in AZ, but in TN.

When you drive into this state from the interstate routes and other routes, there's LEO's conducting interdiction of narcotics. Most of which can be traced back to Mex. don't think that we don't care about the border. We just know that we can't do anything about the border, so we do the best we can in our AO.

I can't stop the influx of aliens and drugs into this country and neither can you. It'll take a combined effort of the states involved and the US Govt. and it's not going to happen overnight.

If you get your new Sheriff in your county, which i hope you do, the issues aren't going to stop overnight either. You have to realize that this plight has been going on for years and will take more then one county Sheriff to change it.

I am not saying that he might not make some improvements, but he's not going to stop illegial aliens and drugs from entering into the US, and that's an undisputed fact.

You forget about the business issue of this with Mex. organized crime making millions upon millions, due to drug sales in this country.

Oh, by the way, i came on here about two years before you did, so don't tell me to butt out.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/26/08 08:57 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Just so the record's all clear on this,.......outside'a MS 13s and other deviates,.......the subject of "Shooting them" was not
part of the day to day establishment, and maintainance of this thread.

It has niether been suggested, or endorsed here.

That myth originated outta' Tenn. if I'm not mistaken.

GTC


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I apologize, but i felt that your solution to the situation was to shoot illegals as they come across the border in the wilds of Cochise Co Az.

Tell me what are you going to do, as a non-LE citizen to stop the flow of illegal aliens and drugs into the US? Are you going to be the "eyes and ears", for LE, what ?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 06:56 AM

Hunter says

" I really don't care what you sand rats do on the border,...."

A day later says,

" don't think that we don't care about the border. ".........

Steam Calliope music in the backround, Conductor yells, "All aboard the Schitzoid- Express "

.............Talk about swapping ends often, you've got it down to an art.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 08:28 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Hunter says

" I really don't care what you sand rats do on the border,...."

A day later says,

" don't think that we don't care about the border. ".........

Steam Calliope music in the backround, Conductor yells, "All aboard the Schitzoid- Express "

.............Talk about swapping ends often, you've got it down to an art.

GTC



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I am over 1600 miles from the border, i can't do a darn thing about what happens there. All i can do is deal with the results that i see from where, i work and reside.

Whatever you do on the border will not result in a stop to illegal aliens and narcotics entering this country from Mex. and that's a fact. I don't care if you've got your Super Sheriff or not. It's business to the organized criminals and their going to make money, cause the markets there.

What do you do, to help stem the tide of illegal aliens and narcotics, into this country? Have you arrested illegals ? Have you arrested those that transport, and sell illegal drugs from Mexico? When you start doing those things, then you tell me about dealing with the results of the border. What do you do, other then post things on the internet?

Crossfire, what do you want me to post the border, is the most important thing in America, and that i feel for the plight of all you poor, poor, folks who live there? Is that what you want to hear?

I learned along time ago, to be a realist, your not going to stop the tide of illegals into this country and your not going to stop the flow of drugs into this country. This is a major criminal enterprise, not a hobby, and those conducting the criminal business, will find ways around whatever fences or other means, you employ to stop them. You just deal with, and do the best job, you can at attempting, to take care of both issues, and that's all you can do.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 09:44 AM

" I learned along time ago, to be a realist, your not going to stop the tide of illegals into this country and your not going to stop the flow of drugs into this country. "

Back to the basic Hunter1960 Philosophy.

That's good,....you are recognizable again,....

Our bright , cheery little ray of Sunshine.

GTC
Posted by: 2ndwind

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 09:49 AM

More<not> sunshine here

http://reportonarrakis.blogspot.com/2008/08/cartels-threaten-hits-in-us.html
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 09:49 AM

I laughed aloud on reading this,....that's good,...

......this thread's been running scant on Chits and grins

I would have to Title this " Slow Speed Chase, no hair raised"
Bwa-ha.

GTC

Link: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080826-1141-bn26bpcrash.html

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11:41 a.m. August 26, 2008

OCEANSIDE – Two men who led a border patrol agent on a brief chase early Tuesday morning have been arrested and will be deported, officials said.
The pursuit started when the suspected illegal immigrants were spotted driving an older model Chevrolet pickup truck on Mission Avenue, just south of Olive Street, about 5 a.m.



Advertisement Jason Rodgers, a U.S. Border Patrol agent, said the men drove away from another agent who tried to contact them while on patrol.
The agent chased after the pickup at speeds lower than 35 mph. Rodgers said the pickup crashed into a parked vehicle a few blocks from where the chase started and then drove off again.

The agent lost track of the vehicle after it left the crash site.

Oceanside police, who had been given a description of the pickup and the men, stopped them a short time later.

The border agent who chased the pair identified them and took them into custody, Rodgers said. The pair face several charges including being in the country illegally, he said.

No one was hurt.

The extent of damage caused to the parked vehicle was not available.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 09:59 AM

 Originally Posted By: 2ndwind


Well,....there it is,......and I thank you for putting that up,......I wish more folks would do so,......as you can guess, I've got limited access and time.

We're going to see, should this situation push foward any further towards critical mass,......something as per anticipated in the article,......closure and control will transpire,.......that would be my prediction.

Given that nay-saying and back biting have plagued the whole Border Security Issue from day Numero Uno,....( Hell it's evident at the Campfire ).........some pivotal event will likely have to transpire to see anything resembling "Unity" and common causal sentiment .

That is a damn shame,.......too.

I'm going to wound a fly and go throw it to my spider, now.

REST assured that a continued "Status Quo" ....and a ho-hum continuation of current events,....on and around the Border Issues,....... is a PIPE DREAM,......

God'll Bless the U.S.A., as long as we remain worthy of those blessings.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 10:21 AM

Losing their heads again,.....

link:http://www.newsmax.com/international/mexico_violence/2008/08/26/125084.html

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3 Decapitated Bodies Found Near Tijuana

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:30 PM

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TIJUANA, Mexico — Three decapitated bodies were found Tuesday in an empty lot outside Tijuana, the federal Attorney General's Office said.


Officials said the bodies had messages on their backs, but would not give details about what the notes said.


Witnesses said the bodies had their hands tied behind their backs. The heads were found nearby and appeared to have been burned.


The killings were the latest in a wave of mostly drug-related violence that has swept Mexico. Cartels have turned to decapitating their victims as a way to intimidate their rivals.


Another decapitated body and a man who had been stabbed to death were found Monday on the outskirts of Tijuana.


Nearly two years ago, President Felipe Calderon launched a nationwide battle to take back territory controlled by some of the world's most powerful drug gangs. Cartels have responded with unprecedented violence, especially along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 10:24 AM

Pandering,.......?

NAWwwwwwww,.....

Politics,.......Gag,.....retch,....dry heave,....brrrrrr

Link: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_10308908

Obama campaign will invest in Latino outreach
By Brandi Grissom
MediaNews Group

Article Last Updated: 08/26/2008 05:42:56 PM MDT


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Richardson: Latino vote crucialU.S. Sen. Barack Obama plans to invest $20 million to reach out to Hispanic voters across the nation, a Democratic official said Tuesday.

"Certainly Hispanics hold the key to winning the White House, so we are very committed to that," said Eliseo Roques, vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee's Hispanic Caucus.

In a press conference following a luncheon honoring Latino leaders and former Denver Mayor Federico Peña, party leaders worked to dispel talk of division in the party and to reassure Latino voters that Obama cares about their communities.

"We know we have a task between now and November to get out there and convince people to vote," said U.S. Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.

Peña said with that Obama plans to invest people, time and money in Latino communities to ensure they connect with him.

Geocanda Arguello-Kline, president of the Nevada culinary union, said Obama understands the challenges workers and immigrants face.

"Obama is leading us to change this country," she said.

But Blanche Darley, an El Paso delegate who on Tuesday marched in support of U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton and wore a blue shirt emblazoned with the New York senator's name, said it's too late for Obama to win her over.

Obama, she said, should have implemented a strategy to show voters like her that he cares about Latinos a long time ago.

"It's a little too late to win Hispanic voters that have already been distracted elsewhere," she said. "They should have done it during the primary."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 10:26 AM

Home on the range,.......

Hardly romantic,

Link: http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_10308696

5 found shot to death on Chihuahua ranch
By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 08/26/2008 04:57:00 PM MDT


EL PASO - Five men were found shot to death Tuesday in a ranch in the eastern part of the state of Chihuahua, state police said.
The bodies were found at the "Cinco Hermanos" (Five Brothers) ranch located on the road between the towns of Ojinaga and Aldama.

Chihuahua state police identified the slain as Manuel Arzate Contreras, 52; Ignacio Arzate Contreras, 67; Cain Severo Jurado Olivas, 47; Jesus Raul Salgueiro Dominguez, 18, and Jesus Roberto Franco, 19. All were residents of Aldama.

Investigators found 50 casings, including those used by AK-47 rifles. A vehicle, believed to have been used by the shooters, was found on a dirt road.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 10:31 AM

If I clone my old pickup,.....will the clone be like a new truck,.....or born with all those miles on it,.......

This,from FEMA, is probably a lead pipe cinch....

We'll probably all recall a recent Texas DOT rig haulin' smoke.

GTC


Link: http://hstoday.us/content/view/4882/128/

FEMA ‘Cloned’ Vehicle Alert Cites HSToday Investigation
by Anthony L. Kimery
Tuesday, 26 August 2008

'The potential exists for the use of cloned vehicles for terrorist activities'
The “Infogram” issued last Thursday by FEMA’s Emergency Management and Response-Information Sharing and Analysis Center (EMR-ISAC) warning about “the potential …for the use of cloned vehicles for terrorist activities ranging from surveillance and preplanning to an actual ... attack," singled out HSToday’s exclusive May cover story investigation into the use of fake, official-looking vehicles for criminal purposes.

Written by veteran Emmy and Peabody award-winning investigative journalist W. Scott Malone, with additional reporting by HSToday’s own award-winning Online Editor and Senior Reporter Anthony Kimery, the report, “Beware the Clones,” exclusively highlighted mounting concerns on the part of law enforcement and intelligence officials over the use of “cloned” vehicles – vehicles that are disguised to look like both commercial and federal vehicles, including US Border Patrol, National Security Agency, and FEMA vehicles – to conceal criminal activity, the most common of which is the transportation of drugs and illegal aliens across the Mexican border into the US.


Under the heading, “Cloned Vehicle Threat Increases,” the EMR-ISAC “Infogram” states “research by the Emergency Management and Response—Information Sharing and Analysis Center substantiates that the term ‘cloned vehicle’ pertains to cosmetically altered vehicles made to look like legitimate emergency or commercial vehicles, but also applies to vehicles with fictitious titles and vehicle identification numbers."

Continuing, the EMR-ISAC alert notes that the "investigation by Homeland Security Today disclosed that ‘cloned vehicles’ have been reported from Oregon to Georgia. Completely cloned 18-wheelers disguised as Wal-Mart trucks have been impounded in Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Arkansas, and Missouri, according to law enforcement officials.”

Continuing, the EMR-ISAC "Infogram" states that “within the United States, the potential exists for the use of cloned vehicles for terrorist activities ranging from surveillance and preplanning to an actual terrorist attack as has occurred in other nations.

“Because of this viable threat, the EMR-ISAC recommends that Emergency Services Sector (ESS) personnel develop the ability to detect ‘cloned vehicles’ and distinguish them from genuine emergency and commercial vehicles.”

To assist ESS departments and agencies, the EMR-ISAC offered the following additional suggestions to prepare emergency responders for this increased threat:

Learn about the technology and resources to develop “cloned vehicles;"
Familiarize with the actual methods and materials used to create “cloned vehicles;"
Pay attention to delivery, service, and utility vehicles while performing duties;
Know how to verify the official markings on government and military vehicles;
Be able to locate concealed illicit items, particularly those harmful to responders and citizens;
Promote the creation of laws or statues that criminalize the development and use of “cloned vehicles.”
According to an August 22 statement by the FEMA Region VIII Joint Information Center in Denver, Colorado, an Associated Press report which cited the EMR-ISAC alert “unfortunately … suggest[ed that there was] “a connection to the Democratic and Republican National Conventions that does not exist.”

An AP report stated “security officials around the cities hosting this year's political conventions are being told to watch out for phony emergency vehicles,” which the EMR-ISAC alert did not say.

But in it’s statement, the FEMA Region VIII Joint Information Center stressed, “to be clear, there is no evidence at any level of the federal government that this type of activity is a current and viable threat to either convention.”

The statement explained that “these bulletins are periodic refresher notices designed to inform and educate emergency responders about potential threats and emergency management issues. Similar advisories were issued prior to the 2004 political conventions.

The statement reiterated, however, that “emergency managers are encouraged during all national-level events to maintain a heightened awareness for any contingency. Consistent training, education and information on all potential threats, including the ability to detect ‘cloned vehicles’ and distinguish them from genuine emergency and commercial vehicles, demonstrates sound emergency management practice.”

Indeed, there are continuing problems with cloned vehicles being used in the commission of criminal enterprises, as HSToday.us reported on August 16.

The problem of cloned vehicles was brought to the forefront of attention to law enforcement and counterterror authorities with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) report, "The Road Map to Cloned Vehicles.”

This report stated that “the use of government vehicles with official markings, especially those associated with friendly military, government and public safety entities, could be a means of delivering a vehicle-borne explosive device to a target site. This method could allow terrorists to bypass established security protocols and strike hardened, high-value targets.”

The National Insurance Crime Bureau also recently issued a brochure explaining the danger of the cloned vehicle problem.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 10:47 AM

A Clear cut conflict of ideologies,.....

Hoping that the differances remain clear-cut, here.



Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/


Vive la Différence!
Parties Diverge on Illegal Immigration Issue

American Patrol Commentary -- August 27

The Denver Post reported that all four speakers at a Democrat panel discussion on immigration, including Rep. Zoe Lofgren, Chairwoman of the House Subcommittee on Immigration (etc.), said immigration law must be reformed before the border with Mexico can be secured. "The enforcement-only strategy of the current administration is not working, they said."
At a Republican National Committee meeting on the platform "sparks flew when delegates got into a debate over illegal immigration."
According to FoxNews.com, delegates from North Carolina wanted to include opposition to "comprehensive immigration reform." This was opposed by Bud McFarlane, a man with a history of mental instability.
The issue of the RNC’s comprehensive reform language is yet to be settled, but on one point -- border security -- there is a clear difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats want amnesty first and Republicans want border security first. Moreover, Bush’s failure to implement the Secure Fence Act of 2006 gives McCain an opportunity to distance himself from both the Democrats and an unpopular President.
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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 12:48 PM

One lone Sherrif battles hopeless odds,with no support from outside world, or general populace.

Bwa-ha,....yeah, right

Go, Joe

GTC

Link: http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=945823

Sheriff does immigration operation in East Valley
August 27th, 2008 @ 12:00pm
by KTAR Newsroom

The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office served search warrants in the East Valley Wednesday morning as part of an investigation into alleged violations of Arizona's employers' sanctions law.

The search warrants were served at separate business locations of Artistic Plant Management, a landscaping firm.

Deputies detained about three-dozen people. They included suspected illegal immigrants, people wanted on arrest warrants and people suspected of criminal fraud.

The employers' sanctions law, which took effect early this year, provides stiff penalties for people and companies that knowingly employ illegal immigrants.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio and County Attorney Andrew Thomas scheduled a news conference at 3:30 p.m. Wednesday to provide more details of the operation.














Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 01:05 PM

This seems whacky,.....is my Confederate $ gonna' be good ?

Comic Relief,....or dark visionary,.......?

Either way, this ole' boy puts his $ where his Mouth is.

GTC

Link: http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/421229.html

Davis warns of a new civil war with Southern states
Candidate for 26th Congressionial district sees possibility of secession due to Mexican immigrants
By Jerry Zremski NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Updated: 08/25/08 12:06 PM

Jack Davis faces criticism for comments on immigration.
WASHINGTON — Congressional candidate Jack Davis, in a speech earlier this year, warned that increasing immigration from Mexico could lead to a new civil war between northern states and Mexican-influenced Southern states that may want to secede from the United States.

“In the latter part of this century or the next, Mexicans will be a majority in many of the states and could therefore take control of the state government using the democratic process,” Davis said in the speech. “They could then secede from the United States, and then we might have another civil war.”

A supporter of one of Davis’ rivals for the Democratic nomination in the 26th district, Jon Powers, posted the video to YouTube. The Powers campaign alerted The Buffalo News to the Davis video.

The YouTube video is labeled as a speech Davis gave at the Center for Inquiry in Amherst on Feb. 1, but a center press release indicates that he spoke there on March 19.

No matter when he spoke, Davis could not have made his point of view on Mexican immigrants any clearer.

“They have an allegiance to Mexico, where they were taught the U. S. fought an unjust war with Mexico and took this territory,” Davis said. “They believe the territory of these states belongs to Mexico.”

Davis did not name specific states that might be prone to succession.

But he appeared to be referring to Texas — which seceded from Mexico, briefly became an independent republic and then joined the United States — and the territories Mexico lost as a result of the Mexican-American War of 1846-48. California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico and much of Colorado were all once Mexican territory, only to become U. S. states after the war.

Asked this week about his speech, Davis said he no longer believed Southern states would be prone to leaving the union in order to assert Mexican control over what is now U. S. territory.

“I think they’ll do it without a civil war,” he said. “They’ll take control of the state governments and start voting themselves anything they want.”

The video of the Davis speech was posted to YouTube on April 14 by Robert Harding, a blogger at the Albany Project blog who supports Powers. He said the video was provided to him by someone who attended the speech.



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Powers’ campaign manager, John Gerken, said the speech was very telling.

“I think Jack Davis’ rant says it all: He thinks we are going to go to war with California and Arizona,” Gerken said. “This is probably why his handlers won’t let him debate and hide him from the press.”

Alice Kryzan, an environmental lawyer who is also running for the Democratic nomination to face Republican Christopher Lee in the race to replace retiring Rep. Thomas

M. Reynolds, R-Clarence, was equally critical of Davis.

“Many of these comments are wrong and offensive,” she said. “We should address our illegal problems thoughtfully, not by demonizing anyone.”

Meanwhile, a top official at the National Council of La Raza, the nation’s leading Hispanic organization, termed Davis’ comments “extremely offensive.”

“He’s feeding an environment of intolerance that doesn’t distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants,” said Clarissa Martinez, director of immigration and national campaigns for the organization. “He’s presenting our whole community as invaders — people who want to take over the country.”

In fact, Davis in his speech, said: “Our country has been invaded, occupied and settled by 10 million illegal aliens.”

Davis issued a statement Friday, trying to clarify his earlier comments.

“My remarks at the Center were designed to bring urgency to the conversation,” he said in the statement. “I believe passionately in protecting our homeland and securing our borders. If my language was hyperbolic, the danger it described certainly is not.”

In the Thursday interview where he discussed the speech, Davis said he didn’t recall everything he had said in the speech.

But among the topics he discussed in the speech was his solution for the illegal immigration problem.

“I think building a double wall long the southern border is the least expensive long-term solution to maintaining the heritage of our fathers,” Davis said in the speech on YouTube.

Davis, a 75-year-old Akron industrialist who has vowed to spend $3 million of his own money on the congressional race, plans to stay on the ballot in November — on his new “Save Jobs and Farms Party” line — even if he loses the Democratic primary.

Many Western New York farmers rely on migrant workers from Mexico to bring in the crops.

After hearing quotes from Davis’ speech, John Lincoln, the president of the New York Farm Bureau, said: “The farmers overall would be really concerned about his statement.”

Told what Lincoln said, Davis replied: “He’s not a regular farmer. He’s one of these big guys . . . I’d call him a multinational farmer.”

Lincoln, 70, is a dairy farmer with 200 head of cattle in Bloomfield, a village of 1,258 in Ontario County, southeast of Rochester. Asked if he had ever met Lincoln, Davis said he had not.



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Congressional candidate Jack Davis responded to questions about his speech with this comment on Friday:

"We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. The Bush immigration policy is a disaster and the American taxpayers are on the hook for it. "In my view, American immigration policy must:

"Secure our borders.

"Reduce the number of illegal aliens in our country.

"Require the people already here to learn English, pay taxes and get in line for citizenship at their own expense.

"It's not practical to deport millions of people, but we can't reward or encourage further illegal entry into the United States with special rights or privileges.

"Corporate greed creates the demand for cheap labor which draws immigrants from across our borders and hurts law-abiding American workers. Corporate lobbyists and PAC dollars have too much power in Washington, and they have silenced meaningful reforms that would protect American workers. "Well, their money doesn't impress me and I won't take a dime. There is a safe and sane solution that puts employers and labor on the same side of the law, and we must work together to find it, without undue influence from special interests.

"My remarks at the Center were designed to bring urgency to the conversation. I believe passionately in protecting our homeland and securing our borders. If my language was hyperbolic, the danger it described certainly is not.

"Our broken borders, unsecured ports, and lack of effective inspection and enforcement, jeopardize the prosperity and security of Americans every single day. Until we fix it, we are vulnerable to another attack like we had in 2001 or worse, and American workers and their families will continue to suffer."

jzremski@buffnews.com .


Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 04:49 PM

Interesting,.......a good look at how a gradual infiltration promotes symbiosis.

I can sympathise with what the "townspeople" are saying,.....

but it sure looks like they are going to bite the weenie, on this one,..........

Ugh . ( kicks a horse turd ),.....like, ...Oscar Mayer, Tyson, ....uhhhh

oh well, some days are not that bright.

Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/latino/2008/0...tio.html?page=0

Hispanics afraid to face next immigration raid
The Associated Press

Wednesday, August 27th 2008, 4:00 AM

(Page 1 of 2)

PERRY, Iowa — Immigration agents had barely left Postville when word hit Perry, about 200 miles to the southwest, that another raid was coming.

The rumor, which turned out to be false, spread like prairie fire through this central Iowa city's Hispanic community, reflecting a new reality for many small U.S. towns that can't be shaken.

In places like Perry, where Hispanics now make up at least a quarter of the population, residents are left wondering, "Are we next?"

"We are more vulnerable now," asked Angelica Cardenas, 28, who works in Perry's school system. "There is always fear of something like this, but with these raids, we know now it's real."

The government's shift to high-profile immigration raids — 389 people were arrested at Postville's Agriprocessors Inc. on May 12, and 350 were rounded up at Howard Industries Inc. of Laurel, Mississippi, on Monday — has instilled fear in towns across the country.

"These raids have really highlighted the difficulties towns face in this situation," said Ana-Maria Garcia Wahl, an associate professor of sociology at Wake Forest University who studies immigration issues in the Midwest and South.

"I'm not sure all of these towns have an ability to cope and provide the crisis intervention."

Postville has lost more than a quarter of its pre-raid population of 2,300. Besides the detained workers, scores more fled or went into hiding.

People were pushed out of jobs and homes. Children were separated from parents. Businesses verged toward collapse.

Like Postville, Perry has been subjected to a sweeping demographic shift brought on by a meatpacking plant on the outskirts of town.

The Hispanic community in the city, which has about 7,600 residents, has grown gradually over the past 20 years, officials said.

"It's a different community than when I was growing up, for sure," said Brett Roberts, who works at an insurance company in Perry. "That's not a bad thing, but it's a fact."

The city's relatively newfound diversity can be seen on the streets, where the six-block downtown is home to a half-dozen Hispanic businesses, including a popular Mexican restaurant and a bakery a few doors down.

The plant that attracted most of the Hispanics sits a little more than a mile away. It was built by Oscar Mayer and has been around for decades, though its ownership has switched hands several times.

Tyson Foods Inc., which took over the plant in 2001, uses it to produce pork products. With about 1,200 workers, the plant is Perry's largest employer.

When Mayor Viivi Shirley watched TV news reports of the Postville raid, one of her first thoughts was, "Thank God it wasn't Perry."

Soon after hearing about the raid at Agriprocessors, where more than half the employees were found to be illegal immigrants, Shirley sought out the Tyson plant's manager to ask about the legal status of its workers.

She left that meeting satisfied that Tyson's house was in order, but she was still unnerved by the thought of a raid in her town.

Shirley said she's proud of the way newer Hispanic residents have melded with Perry's older, mostly Caucasian residents and fears a raid would undo years of progress.

For their part, Tyson officials say they are confident their workers are in the country legally. Applicants must go through a federally backed immigration verification system, Tyson spokesman Gary Mickelson said.

Shirley and others in town are not naive.

Police Chief Dan Brickner is matter of fact when asked if there are illegal residents in the city: "Yeah. I'm sure there are."

After seeing two large-scale raids in Iowa in a little more than a year — Agriprocessors and a meatpacker in Marshalltown — Perry officials recently made preparations for handling one in their town.

School Superintendent Randy J. McCaulley said the school system has an emergency plan in place for an immigration raid, just as it does for other possible calamities, such as a tornado, fire or intruder.

Parents have received a note seeking clarification of their emergency contact information and reassuring them that students will be kept safe in the event of raid.

Still, fear lingers among Perry's Hispanic community.

"You can see that people are more scared in general," said Rosa Gonzalez of the advocacy group Hispanics United for Perry. "Some of them, they don't even tell you directly but people don't go outside like they used to and things like that."

Wendy Goodale, director of Perry's Chamber of Commerce, said Hispanics have helped revive the community, giving local businesses a boost while many rural areas have struggled through tough economic times.

She thinks it could be a crippling blow to Perry if something pushed the Hispanic population out of town.

"It's such a huge chunk of our community," Goodale said. "It would be a huge hit to our community, culturally, economically, our businesses, our people — a huge hit."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 06:56 PM

Sweet Home Alabama,

Jeff Sessions,....a good man

Link: http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/2008...migration_forum

Sessions speaks to crowd at Albertville immigration forum

By KERRY YENCER
Times Correspondent


Published: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.
ALBERTVILLE — An immigration forum inside the City Hall chambers here Tuesday drew an overflow crowd to hear two-term U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions.



Sessions, R-Ala., a leading advocate for improving border security and restoring lawfulness to the immigration system, shared his thoughts on steps the United States should take to secure its borders, reduce illegal immigration and create an immigration system that serves the long-term national interest.

Most of the 125 to 150 in attendance were white senior citizens, including some who vented their frustrations at the growing immigration problem in Marshall County.

Sessions addressed the “frustration because of us in Washington. We haven’t made the system work,” he said.

He pointed to a piece of legislation that wouldn’t work because it was “written by special interest,” a compromise put together with political interests at the forefront.

Passage would reduce illegal immigration by 15 percent, Sessions said.

“We (the federal government) haven’t given clear enough authority to (local) law enforcement,” Sessions said, referring to arrests of illegal immigrants by local officers, who then turn them over to federal authorities.

According to Sessions, 1.1 million arrests of illegal immigrants were reported in 2006.

Legislation that has been enacted, Sessions said, has resulted in a 20 percent drop in arrests in the last calendar year.

“People (illegal immigrants) are beginning to get the message,” he said.

He also cited figures from the Center for Immigration Studies that show the number of illegal immigrants living in the country has dropped 11 percent.

Sessions was asked if there was any thought to establishing an immigration office in Albertville.

“It’s something to think about,” he said. “I’ve been a proponent of training local officers, but ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is nervous about that.”

Sessions said there are 12,000 ICE officers and 600,000 local law enforcement personnel.

Albertville Police Chief Benny Womack, called on to address the local issue, said, “It’s frustrating. We are spinning our wheels.”

He said federal authorities discourage local law enforcement from the process. Marshall County Sheriff Scott Walls told Sessions he met with immigration officials.

“They started by saying they were going to talk us out of this,” Walls said, adding that funding also has been cut.

“We’re willing to do the job,” Walls said, “but we need the tools.”
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 07:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
One lone Sherrif battles hopeless odds,with no support from outside world, or general populace.

Bwa-ha,....yeah, right

Go, Joe

GTC

Link: http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=945823

Sheriff does immigration operation in East Valley
August 27th, 2008 @ 12:00pm
by KTAR Newsroom

The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office served search warrants in the East Valley Wednesday morning as part of an investigation into alleged violations of Arizona's employers' sanctions law.

The search warrants were served at separate business locations of Artistic Plant Management, a landscaping firm.

Deputies detained about three-dozen people. They included suspected illegal immigrants, people wanted on arrest warrants and people suspected of criminal fraud.

The employers' sanctions law, which took effect early this year, provides stiff penalties for people and companies that knowingly employ illegal immigrants.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio and County Attorney Andrew Thomas scheduled a news conference at 3:30 p.m. Wednesday to provide more details of the operation.
















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Not to burst your bubble, but this is a normal LE operation for an S.O. in a large Metro area or anywhere for that matter. A duty of an S.O. is to serve arrest warrants.

This goes on in other places in the country as well, it's probably much larger in a SW border area and in Maricopa Co. due to a higher amount of illegals.

Most agencies don't have the manpower and resources that Sheriff Joe has. I like to have his budget, i bet it's well over 150mil. Don't get me wrong, he's done a good job, but he's not hurting for manpower and money either.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 07:33 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Sweet Home Alabama,

Jeff Sessions,....a good man

Link: http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/2008...migration_forum

Sessions speaks to crowd at Albertville immigration forum

By KERRY YENCER
Times Correspondent


Published: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.
ALBERTVILLE — An immigration forum inside the City Hall chambers here Tuesday drew an overflow crowd to hear two-term U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions.



Sessions, R-Ala., a leading advocate for improving border security and restoring lawfulness to the immigration system, shared his thoughts on steps the United States should take to secure its borders, reduce illegal immigration and create an immigration system that serves the long-term national interest.

Most of the 125 to 150 in attendance were white senior citizens, including some who vented their frustrations at the growing immigration problem in Marshall County.

Sessions addressed the “frustration because of us in Washington. We haven’t made the system work,” he said.

He pointed to a piece of legislation that wouldn’t work because it was “written by special interest,” a compromise put together with political interests at the forefront.

Passage would reduce illegal immigration by 15 percent, Sessions said.

“We (the federal government) haven’t given clear enough authority to (local) law enforcement,” Sessions said, referring to arrests of illegal immigrants by local officers, who then turn them over to federal authorities.

According to Sessions, 1.1 million arrests of illegal immigrants were reported in 2006.

Legislation that has been enacted, Sessions said, has resulted in a 20 percent drop in arrests in the last calendar year.

“People (illegal immigrants) are beginning to get the message,” he said.

He also cited figures from the Center for Immigration Studies that show the number of illegal immigrants living in the country has dropped 11 percent.

Sessions was asked if there was any thought to establishing an immigration office in Albertville.

“It’s something to think about,” he said. “I’ve been a proponent of training local officers, but ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is nervous about that.”

Sessions said there are 12,000 ICE officers and 600,000 local law enforcement personnel.

Albertville Police Chief Benny Womack, called on to address the local issue, said, “It’s frustrating. We are spinning our wheels.”

He said federal authorities discourage local law enforcement from the process. Marshall County Sheriff Scott Walls told Sessions he met with immigration officials.

“They started by saying they were going to talk us out of this,” Walls said, adding that funding also has been cut.

“We’re willing to do the job,” Walls said, “but we need the tools.”





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I am familiar with this area, it's got an increased illegal population, due to many factors such as chicken houses and other low paying jobs. This county has a growing Meth. issue, not due to the Mexicans, but due to "Bubba tweeker". This besides it's not a weathy county by any means, there's some money, but it's old money.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 07:34 PM

Good,....our resident Dean of "Sherrif Department's Operations" is back in the building,....and holding his seminar,......

Questions anybody ?

I think the only bubbles you've burst recently are the farts in your bathtub, Hunter. You should quit doing it with your teeth,....it promotes bad breath,...and methane's bad to inhale just on general principle.

GTC

GTC
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 07:41 PM

Dammit, you owe me a monitor.................
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 07:44 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Good,....our resident Dean of "Sherrif Department's Operations" is back in the building,....and holding his seminar,......

Questions anybody ?

I think the only bubbles you've burst recently are the farts in your bathtub, Hunter. You should quit doing it with your teeth,....it promotes bad breath,...and methane's bad to inhale just on general principle.

GTC

GTC

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Why are you such a smartass?

I've worked in a hell of a lot more S.O's then you ever have. What has been your career? it wasn't LE, was it? So what do you know about it???

I didn't make any negative comments about your " Super Hero Joe", he's just able to do alot, of what he does due to his large budget, which provides the manpower and resources.

There's counties in this state with over 600 hundred square miles and there damn happy to have 3 or 4 deputies, on at night.

I think my experiences on the job, and college education in Criminal Justice, with an emphasis in Public Management, is alot more experience then yours, in the subject. Thanks for helping to pay for my degree, it was completed during my twenty year career in the US Army also.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 07:53 PM

Is it just me,....or is it exceptionally WIERD out tonight...?

I'm going to go toss wounded flies to my spider.

Glad the Chupas will be coming outta' molt soon.

Way more exciting and fun than repetitive sparring with BORING people.

Semper Coon-Azz,

see ya'll tomorrow,......

You've got the podium, Hunter,....go for it.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 08:00 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Is it just me,....or is it exceptionally WIERD out tonight...?

I'm going to go toss wounded flies to my spider.

Glad the Chupas will be coming outta' molt soon.

Way more exciting and fun than repetitive sparring with BORING people.

Semper Coon-Azz,

see ya'll tomorrow,......

You've got the podium, Hunter,....go for it.

GTC


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Go feed your spider. You've never even worked in LE, nor a Sheriff's Dept. and don't have a clue what the mission or duties are.

Nor do you understand the difference that a large budget, allows you to have the manpower and resources, to do these additional duties, and still have the manpower and resources, to answer the calls for service, and serve the citizens.

You act like Ol'Joe is out there, serving the arrest warrants himself. I hate to tell you this, but he's a politician first and a lawman second, as 95% of Sheriff's are. There are some out there who work the road and make arrests, serve warrants etc. but their normally in very small rural counties, not mega populated counties such as Maricopa.

If you took Joe, away from his big budget, big manpower and resources, he'ld be like many other Sheriff's hoping he's got enough people to fill the shift, and enough money to pay for the gas in the patrol cars, for the rest of the budget year.

He's got good ideas and has been able to do alot of things that others can't or won't do. You can't deny that budget and manpower can make things possible, that wouldn't be possible any other way.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/27/08 10:06 PM

" You've never even worked in LE, nor a Sheriff's Dept. and don't have a clue what the mission or duties are."

..........you got that right, Copper,( Jimmy Cagney voice)
....I've been a career wise guy forever (Edward G.Robinson voice)
...........shifts cigar and grabs Tommy Gun,....and gets a glazed look in eyes
Oh, you dirty rat,..... ( that's Cagney again, No?),

Confused, at this seemingly pointless / crazy text?

......hey, if ACTING / TALKING CRAZY and roaming the fields of wierd is where you need to be,....all of us being able to play there is just fair turn around, No? Your BS comes across pretty screw ball,....I KNOW where mine's comin' from, Deputy.

You seem to think that this is an interogation room,.....( Lord, please NEVER let me occupy a space like that with this "Snark")

....at this time, it AIN'T,....

And ( Jimmy Cagney Voice kicks in)
....you dirty coppers 'll never take me alive.


Bwa ha


" I hate to tell you this,"

No, you don't, you RELISH your nonsense

....and by and large we wait , and wonder if you'll at some point,......you'll

MAKE A POINT ?

Your nay saying defeatism is good to go,...and clearly itterated.

That's good,..... burn out factor / Lab Rat situations that made you so articulate in this area.......A damn shame, but noteworthy in terms of studying Morale in Toilet.

Which is not everybody's idea as how to view the world......

Some remain fairly cheerful, and optimistic......

"Losers in control",...what a great book title,...you just keep pounding those keys,......there's really worse folks that you could be vommiting all this up in front of, you know.....and damned interesting (though noisome at times) material to look at, we have strong stomachs.

........... If you like folks that mince words,...perhaps you should try a baking site.

GTC

Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 07:32 AM

Good point made here,......that this is now so commonplace just off to the South,.....as to how our reaction would be should this occur in an American City or Town,..........

closing lines are in synch with article's title,......a grim and bleak forecast


Link: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/72397

Drug Cartels Threaten To Take-Over Mexico…Is The U.S. Next?
Dave Gibson



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August 26, 2008
Recently, Villa Ahumada Police Chief Jesus Blanco Cano was shot to death after only one day on the job. The town is located in the northern Mexican state of Chihuahua which is the territory of the very violent and powerful Juarez drug cartel.

The town had been without a police chief since this past May, when a band of 70 gunmen raided the town and murdered the previous chief, along with two of his officers as well as several civilians. After the attack, out of fear, the rest of the town´s 20-officer police force resigned.

While the murder of a police chief by the hands of organized crime would be front-page news and cause for great alarm in the United States, high-profile murders of police officers and citizens alike by the powerful Mexican drug cartels have become commonplace.

On August 13, 2008, paramilitary gunmen wearing body armor, burst into a drug rehab center in Juarez. The attackers dragged several patients outside and executed them. At the time, a religious ceremony was taking place. Eight people, including a pastor were killed and six more were seriously wounded.

Those murders were among 43 which took place in Juarez over a three day period.

On June 4, 2008, husband and wife police officers Gabriel Padilla Perez and Claudia Tovar Carreon were shot to death in front of their Juarez home, as they left for work. The couple left behind two small children. A day earlier, a 25-year-old pregnant woman was killed outside a shopping mall a few miles away, as a shootout broke-out between rival gang members.

In May of this year, the chief of Mexico´s federal police force was assassinated entering his home in Mexico City. Commander Edgar Millan Gomez and his bodyguards were gunned down by several men in an ambush-style attack. He was shot nine times and died a short time later, after being taken to a hospital.

Commander Gomez was to date, the highest-ranking law enforcement official to fall victim to the current drug war. Many believe that his murder was in retaliation for the January arrest of Sinaloa Cartel leader Alfredo Beltran Leyva.

On April 26, 2008, 14 gang members were killed in a bloody shootout among rival cartel elements in the streets of Tijuana. The long-fought battle which took place in the middle of the night, was fought with high-powered rifles and machine guns.

There are four major drug cartels currently operating inside Mexico. The groups are extremely violent and have become very bold, regularly murdering police officers and various government officials. These cartels account for more than 80 percent of the illegal drugs sold in the United States, including marijuana, methamphetamine, cocaine, and heroin.

A list of the Mexican drug cartels follows:

Tijuana Cartel…Run by the Arrelano Felix family. The cartel nearly collapsed in 2002, after Ramon Arrelano Felix was killed by the police, and brother Benjamin was taken into custody. However, the cartel has since seen a resurgence in strength and violence of late, and continues to be a major player in the smuggling of marijuana and cocaine into the U.S.

Sinaloa Cartel…Infamous for the smuggling of cocaine from Columbia, and heroin from Southeast Asia. They also produce their own brand of heroin. U.S. law enforcement has identified Sinaloa Cartel distribution centers in Arizona, California, Texas, New York, and Chicago.

The Sinaloa Cartel uses the gangs known as MS-13 and the Mexican Mafia to distribute drugs inside the U.S.

Gulf Cartel…Utilizes an elite paramilitary group known as the Zetas as enforcers. Many of the Zetas were actually trained at U.S. military bases, in an effort by this country to aid the Mexican government in their fight against the cartels. Upon their return to Mexico, they were recruited by the Gulf Cartel, who offered them a much higher salary than did the government.

The Zetas have proven to be ruthless fighters in the cartel´s ongoing war with the Sinaloa Cartel.

The Gulf Cartel boasts of relationships with corrupt officials and is based in Matamoros, Tamaulipas, they also have major operations in the city of Nuevo Laredo and account for the increased violence now being seen there.

Juarez Cartel…Perhaps, the wealthiest of the cartels. According to the U.S. State Department, the Juarez Cartel "controls one of the primary transportation routes for billions of dollars worth of drug shipments entering the United States from Mexico annually."

The Juarez Cartel has been publicly posting hit lists containing the names of Juarez police officers. Many of those officers have been murdered, and still more have fled the city.

Kidnappings, torture, and shootouts have become a way of life in violence-plagued Juarez. That Mexican city which shares a border with El Paso, TX, has already seen an astounding 800 murders since January 2008.

In addition to the sale of narcotics, the cartels profit heavily by collecting so-called ´protection money´ from legitimate businesses, street-level drug dealers, and those known as ´coyotes´ who smuggle people illegally into the U.S. the cartels also regularly kidnap Mexicans as well as U.S. citizens for ransom, usually seeking a sum of about $300,000.Mexico´s office of Public Security recently announced that since 2001, authorities have arrested 897 kidnappers. Incredibly, 56 of those arrested were actually public officials.


On August 25, 2008, a kidnapping ring was broken-up and the members taken into custody in the state of Nuevo Leon. The leader of the group was Commandante Sonia Virginia Bastida Morales. She is an agent in Mexico´s AFI (that country´s version of the FBI). At the time of her arrest, her and her two accomplices were holding two men for ransom.

The influence which the cartels are having on the people of Mexico is far-reaching and threatens every law-abiding person in that country. An example of this comes from a recent survey which reported that 120 of the 200 taxi drivers in the city of Chetumal, report to have been threatened with violence against their families, if they refused to deliver drugs on behalf of the local drug cartel.

An incredible example of how deeply corruption runs in Mexico came in 1997, when Mexican authorities seized a decommissioned U.S. Air Force C-130A which had been sold to the Mexican airline Aero Postal de Mexico. The plane was in fact being used to transport drugs from Central and South America. It was discovered that the owner of the airline had connections to the Tijuana Cartel.

A few facts on the violence being perpetrated by Mexico´s drug cartels:

Since 2006, nearly 500 police officers, soldiers, and prosecutors have been killed by cartel gunmen.

According to the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers, there have been 4,867 executions performed by Mexican drug cartels since December 1, 2006.

Narco-violence is responsible for 2,712 murders so far in 2008.

Cartels often behead their victims, and even release videos of taped executions on the internet.

The Zetas have been linked to several murders as far north as Dallas, TX.

According to the Department of Homeland Security, over 3,000 families have fled the city of Juarez this year, seeking refuge in the U.S.

In May, Homeland Security officials announced to the press that there were at the time, three Mexican police chiefs seeking asylum in the U.S. apparently, police officials have been seeking safety in the U.S. for several months.

Deputy Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection Jayson ahern told the associated press: "They´re basically abandoned by their police officers or police departments in many cases."

Ahern went on to say: "It´s like a military fight. I don´t think that generally the American public has any sense of the level of violence that occurs on the border."

On August 25, 2008, federal and local law enforcement officials told the Associated Press that Mexican drug cartels are now sending hit men into the U.S.

Officer Chris Mears of the El Paso Police Department told reporters: "We received credible information that drug cartels in Mexico have given permission to hit targets on the U.S. side of the border. One of the first things we did was to notify all officers in our department of the situation."

Two months ago, police in New Mexico and Texas received a cartel hit list, uncovered by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The list contained the name of at least one New Mexico police officer.

Luna County Sheriff's Capt. Arturo Baeza told the press: "We have been concerned for quite some time that this thing will spill over here."

Of course, threats to U.S. law enforcement from drug smugglers is nothing new. Assaults on Border Patrol agents began rising at unprecedented rates a few years ago. Since 2001, assaults (which include shootings) have tripled, with 987 in 2007.

Snipers stay on the Mexican side of the border and move about freely. They fire a few shots at agents, then move to cover--only to fire again from another location. The tactics are typical of military sniper training. More than likely, the snipers are creating a diversion so that the smugglers can cross in another location. They know that the U.S. agents cannot pursue them into Mexico, and their own government is seemingly powerless to stop their activities.

In 2005, Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame said: "We believe the vast majority of these assaults are directly tied to alien and drug smugglers based in Mexico."

Of course, Mexico´s drug cartels are now beginning to operate within the interior of the U.S. According to the U.S. department of Justice, the cartels now control the distribution of methamphetamine in Atlanta, GA.

So far, Mexican President Felipe Calderon has deployed 36,000 troops nationwide to combat the cartels. However, the efforts by the Mexican government have done very little to stop the violence and the cartels appear to be winning.

With a largely unprotected border, it is very easy for cartel hit men to cross into the U.S, and only if our elected representatives get serious about border enforcement, can Americans hope to be protected from this violence.

Unfortunately, it appears that we can expect to see the kind of narco-violence now destroying Mexico in our own cities very soon.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 10:53 AM

This can be controlled in the US versus Mexico. Totally different concept between Mex. LE and US LE.

I don't see it happening here. There's many reasons why it wouldn't take hold as it does in Mex. I am not going to explain them, you wouldn't believe or understand them anyway. \:\)
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 02:10 PM

" you wouldn't believe or understand them anyway."

Well, OF COURSE we wouldn't,....mere mortals, .....lacking your vast and extensive knowledge of "How things Really are"

" Totally different concept between Mex. LE and US LE."

......more like there WAS,....once,

....day by day the "Que sera, Sera",....."Not my Job",......"Someone else's responsibilty", "No Budget Available" Attitude that's VISIBLY and textually present in contemporary LE
( you've just given a brilliant multi post treatise on just this) sees us sliding further down a slippery slope towards their (Mex) abys.

Think about this,

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 02:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" you wouldn't believe or understand them anyway."

Well, OF COURSE we wouldn't,....mere mortals, .....lacking your vast and extensive knowledge of "How things Really are"

" Totally different concept between Mex. LE and US LE."

......more like there WAS,....once,

....day by day the "Que sera, Sera",....."Not my Job",......"Someone else's responsibilty", "No Budget Available" Attitude that's VISIBLY and textually present in contemporary LE
( you've just given a brilliant multi post treatise on just this) sees us sliding further down a slippery slope towards their (Mex) abys.

Think about this,

GTC




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Why don't you ask others on here, who are involved in LE, if US LE is concerned about being taken over by Mex. drug/gang lords?

As to why this isn't an issue in US LE. I don't know what part you don't understand about this but this, but you just compared every LEO in the US, to that of the Mexican LE.

I feel LEO's in the US are higher paid, better trained and have much more dedication to our duties, then that, of any Mexican LEO in the entire country of Mexico. We have a higher level of supervisory/administrators personnel then in Mex. We have in general a better judicial and Governmental system then that of the country of Mexico.

We go to work everyday and do the best possible job that we can, with the resources that we have availible. I am just stating true facts regarding such things as manpower and budget.

I think you just want to argue, since you have NO, experience or training on the subject. I think you just want to start [bleep] over something you know nothing about.

You yourself stated yesterday that you have no LE experience, so what gives, why do you continue to talk [bleep], about something that you know about as much, as a hog does about Sunday school?

Why don't you ask for the input of other LEO's on this site as to their input on the issue?
Posted by: ebd10

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 02:41 PM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960



Why don't you ask others on here, who are involved in LE, if US LE is concerned about being taken over by Mex. drug/gang lords? As to why this isn't an issue in US LE.


No need to "take over"; flash enough cash and they'll just look the other way. It's happened before, it'll happen again.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 02:53 PM

 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960



Why don't you ask others on here, who are involved in LE, if US LE is concerned about being taken over by Mex. drug/gang lords? As to why this isn't an issue in US LE.


No need to "take over"; flash enough cash and they'll just look the other way. It's happened before, it'll happen again.


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No way, not to the level of the Mexican LE and Govt. You can in no way compare the two, we have too many checks and balance systems in this country, that don't exsist in Mexico.

Those LEO's in this country who were on the take, may have gotten by for a while, but were shut down swiftly, that wouldn't happen in Mexico.

I know a guy who was shaken down illegals on traffic stops and taking money from their wallets and kicking them loose, this fellow was a supervisor.

One of the Mexican's goes and complains to the Admin. of the agency. This agency employs no hispanics, and has no need to care for or believe the Mexican over their long time employee.

The agency still conducts an investigation using a hispanic officer from a state LE agency, as bait in the trap, for the supervisor, who's caught, convicted and sentenced.

Now do you think that a Mexican agency would do that against one of there supervisors?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 02:56 PM

 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960



Why don't you ask others on here, who are involved in LE, if US LE is concerned about being taken over by Mex. drug/gang lords? As to why this isn't an issue in US LE.


No need to "take over"; flash enough cash and they'll just look the other way. It's happened before, it'll happen again.


You just nailed the X ring, EDB,......and that leads to all sorta' "Mixed Messages" Psych Problems,.....Hostility, and General poor attitudes.

Happens in a "Snowball Fashion", too.

I'm as unhappy and abashed at the Content / Context of all this material as the next guy.........But am opting out of the "Let The Pros take care of this,....that's what they're paid / trained to do" mindset.

Too many "Pros" ( career types) comin' up dirty, corrupt, and just plain CYA lackadaisacal,.....the worst though is too many CONTENT with the current situation ( Job Security? )

Homeland Security,.....Protected and Served,..... my ASS.

GTC
Posted by: ebd10

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:03 PM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960



Why don't you ask others on here, who are involved in LE, if US LE is concerned about being taken over by Mex. drug/gang lords? As to why this isn't an issue in US LE.


No need to "take over"; flash enough cash and they'll just look the other way. It's happened before, it'll happen again.


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No way, not to the level of the Mexican LE and Govt. You can in no way compare the two, we have too many checks and balance systems in this country, that don't exsist in Mexico.


You think that the "checks and balances" can't be bribed? Or intimidated? Or killed? The main difference between US and Mexican LE is that the Mexicans long ago learned where the real money is. Take your average sheriff's deputy in a rural county, who works for a woefully understaffed, underpaid, and underequipped department: he pulls over a carload of guys on a lonely road, discovers that they have a trunk load of coke/heroin/guns/whatever. Upon discovery, they show him a bag full of cash to look the other way. What's more, they tell him that he can have a bag just like that every month to look the other way when they drive by. What do you suppose he'd do? Especially if the alternative is getting sniped like the last two guys whose position he filled?
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:11 PM

 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960



Why don't you ask others on here, who are involved in LE, if US LE is concerned about being taken over by Mex. drug/gang lords? As to why this isn't an issue in US LE.


No need to "take over"; flash enough cash and they'll just look the other way. It's happened before, it'll happen again.


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No way, not to the level of the Mexican LE and Govt. You can in no way compare the two, we have too many checks and balance systems in this country, that don't exsist in Mexico.


You think that the "checks and balances" can't be bribed? Or intimidated? Or killed? The main difference between US and Mexican LE is that the Mexicans long ago learned where the real money is. Take your average sheriff's deputy in a rural county, who works for a woefully understaffed, underpaid, and underequipped department: he pulls over a carload of guys on a lonely road, discovers that they have a trunk load of coke/heroin/guns/whatever. Upon discovery, they show him a bag full of cash to look the other way. What's more, they tell him that he can have a bag just like that every month to look the other way when they drive by. What do you suppose he'd do? Especially if the alternative is getting sniped like the last two guys whose position he filled?


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You've been watching TV too much. This is some story that you've seen on some late night TV. I've worked interstate interdiction, i've seen more dope and money floating around then you could imagine. My job and my freedom, isn't worth one penny of Mexican drug money.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Originally Posted By: hunter1960



Why don't you ask others on here, who are involved in LE, if US LE is concerned about being taken over by Mex. drug/gang lords? As to why this isn't an issue in US LE.


No need to "take over"; flash enough cash and they'll just look the other way. It's happened before, it'll happen again.


You just nailed the X ring, EDB,......and that leads to all sorta' "Mixed Messages" Psych Problems,.....Hostility, and General poor attitudes.

Happens in a "Snowball Fashion", too.

I'm as unhappy and abashed at the Content / Context of all this material as the next guy.........But am opting out of the "Let The Pros take care of this,....that's what they're paid / trained to do" mindset.

Too many "Pros" ( career types) comin' up dirty, corrupt, and just plain CYA lackadaisacal,.....the worst though is too many CONTENT with the current situation ( Job Security? )

Homeland Security,.....Protected and Served,..... my ASS.

GTC



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So what's you answer to the solution???
Posted by: ebd10

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:14 PM

 Quote:
This is some story that you've seen on some late night TV.


No, it's a hypothetical situation based upon real life headlines. Why do you think Mexican copsare being killed?
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Quote:
This is some story that you've seen on some late night TV.


No, it's a hypothetical situation based upon real life headlines. Why do you think Mexican copsare being killed?


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You have to look at the entire picture of US LE versus Mex. LE.

Those Mex. LE folks don't care about one another, there in it to take care of themselves.

I haven't seen too many US agencies that if you hurt or kill one of their fellow LEO's, those LEO's are going to turnover every rock or whatever to find those who commited the crime. This same concept has been tried by black & hispanic gangs, who deal in money, drugs, guns etc. It hasn't been a problem in the US yet.

Look at your LE agencies in the LA Basin, the gangs don't control them.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:41 PM

" Look at your LE agencies in the LA Basin, the gangs don't control them"

That's funny ( in a sick sorta' way, mind you),

.......MS 13 is RUNNING a successful organized crime org, from inside "Correctional Facilities" in this country

...and you can actually say that with a straight face?

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:43 PM

Hunter asks,...." So what's you answer to the solution???


I ask,........

WTF is that supposed to mean ?

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 03:45 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" Look at your LE agencies in the LA Basin, the gangs don't control them"

That's funny ( in a sick sorta' way, mind you),

.......MS 13 is RUNNING a successful organized crime org, from inside "Correctional Facilities" in this country

...and you can actually say that with a straight face?

GTC



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And you don't think that LE agencies are trying to do what they can to control and contain this from inside the correctional facilities. So has some of the other gangs, i watched a History channel show the other night how the Latin Kings, were doing this and how they were shut down, to a degree. It doesn't happen overnight, i think you want instant control and that's not going to happen. What would be your answer to correct this situation???
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:05 PM

" What would be your answer to correct this situation???"

Hey,... I just realized something Hunter.

All the rest of you may find this interesting , as well.

I'll be DAMNED if I can see this being productive or contributory to your chosen career,

...but apparently you don't retain ANYTHING from previous discussions, on previous days.

Is that because everything gets "Reported" and filed at the end of a shift....?

It'll make you somewhat more interpretable,....but certainly no more coherant,

So, I'll tell you one more time,...this is not an interogation room,...I'm not suspected of doing anything wrong,....and YOU are not INTEROGATING me.

When you ask a question that has some application to the thread, I'll gladly answer,....

Your day to day assing around, and incoherantly swapping ends
( spinning like a top ) just don't resonate with me.

I'm sure that you've LOTS to contribute to a thread of this sort,.....Being an esteemed and seasoned LEO, and all .
I'm saying that with respect, Dude .

Your use of the term "Citizens" , .....the context in which you used it , generated a vision of sneers,....lips curled in contempt, like you were spitting it out.

Don't expect that to "Blow Over" anytime soon.

I don't like or respect that sorta' nonsense, and while not prone to carrying a grudge,....pretty much always go by my gut first impression........and wait and watch thereout

Impressions,....YOU, have made little or none.

GTC

Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:06 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Hunter asks,...." So what's you answer to the solution???


I ask,........

WTF is that supposed to mean ?

GTC


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I apologize i was on the phone on another issue, i know your perfect and don't make mistakes. I meant to say, what is your solution to the situation ?
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" What would be your answer to correct this situation???"

Hey,... I just realized something Hunter.

All the rest of you may find this interesting , as well.

I'll be DAMNED if I can see this being productive or contributory to your chosen career,

...but apparently you don't retain ANYTHING from previous discussions, on previous days.

Is that because everything gets "Reported" and filed at the end of a shift....?

It'll make you somewhat more interpretable,....but certainly no more coherant,

So, I'll tell you one more time,...this is not an interogation room,...I'm not suspected of doing anything wrong,....and YOU are not INTEROGATING me.

When you ask a question that has some application to the thread, I'll gladly answer,....

Your day to day assing around, and incoherantly swapping ends
( spinning like a top ) just don't resonate with me.

I'm sure that you've LOTS to contribute to a thread of this sort,.....Being an esteemed and seasoned LEO, and all .
I'm saying that with respect, Dude .

Your use of the term "Citizens" , .....the context in which you used it , generated a vision of sneers,....lips curled in contempt, like you were spitting it out.

Don't expect that to "Blow Over" anytime soon.

I don't like or respect that sorta' nonsense, and while not prone to carrying a grudge,....pretty much always go by my gut first impression........and wait and watch thereout

Impressions,....YOU, have made little or none.

GTC



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I think you don't have an answer or a thought on how to correct the situation and are using BS as an excuse to state one. If you've got an answer that would include the citizens, lets here it? Hell, i work cases everyday, that citizens are a big reason for these cases getting solved, with the information that i receive.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:14 PM

Coherancy,......

.....something to strive for,....you just failed.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:15 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" What would be your answer to correct this situation???"

Hey,... I just realized something Hunter.

All the rest of you may find this interesting , as well.

I'll be DAMNED if I can see this being productive or contributory to your chosen career,

...but apparently you don't retain ANYTHING from previous discussions, on previous days.

Is that because everything gets "Reported" and filed at the end of a shift....?

It'll make you somewhat more interpretable,....but certainly no more coherant,

So, I'll tell you one more time,...this is not an interogation room,...I'm not suspected of doing anything wrong,....and YOU are not INTEROGATING me.

When you ask a question that has some application to the thread, I'll gladly answer,....

Your day to day assing around, and incoherantly swapping ends
( spinning like a top ) just don't resonate with me.

I'm sure that you've LOTS to contribute to a thread of this sort,.....Being an esteemed and seasoned LEO, and all .
I'm saying that with respect, Dude .

Your use of the term "Citizens" , .....the context in which you used it , generated a vision of sneers,....lips curled in contempt, like you were spitting it out.

Don't expect that to "Blow Over" anytime soon.

I don't like or respect that sorta' nonsense, and while not prone to carrying a grudge,....pretty much always go by my gut first impression........and wait and watch thereout

Impressions,....YOU, have made little or none.

GTC



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I am not interrogating you, i am asking you what as a citizen, as to your personal input, what would you do, to correct the situation?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:17 PM

Dillegently avoiding interogation from pompous and inflated windbags,.....I'm posting material like THIS,....

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/

Trust But Verify
Spencer Calls on McCain to Flesh Out Border Plan

American Border Patrol -- August 28
Glenn Spencer at the border today, August 28, 2008

Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol posted a video on the Republican National Committee Web site that calls on the committee to adopt his Operation 20/20, a plan to secure the border. ( Watch // YouTube Version)
Text of video: My name is Glenn Spencer. I live in Arizona. I have a ranch here – right on the border. This is Border Monument 98, in the middle of a major smuggling corridor. These flags, three thousand of them, were put here by American Border Patrol, an organization, a non-profit, that I run. Each one of them has a message from an American citizen asking that our border be secure.
In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a man who knew an invasion when he saw one, cracked down on illegal immigration and cut the number of apprehensions down to less than 35,000. Today, John McCain says he will secure the border before addressing the illegal immigration amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform issue. It is time that John McCain flesh out his promises. It is time that he define what he means.
When President Eisenhower cut the number of apprehensions across our border to less than 35,000, he had one tenth the border patrol agents. He did not have the UAVs. He did not have the fences. He did not have the technology. And, yet, he got
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:25 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Dillegently avoiding interogation from pompous and inflated windbags,.....I'm posting material like THIS,....

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/

Trust But Verify
Spencer Calls on McCain to Flesh Out Border Plan

American Border Patrol -- August 28
Glenn Spencer at the border today, August 28, 2008

Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol posted a video on the Republican National Committee Web site that calls on the committee to adopt his Operation 20/20, a plan to secure the border. ( Watch // YouTube Version)
Text of video: My name is Glenn Spencer. I live in Arizona. I have a ranch here – right on the border. This is Border Monument 98, in the middle of a major smuggling corridor. These flags, three thousand of them, were put here by American Border Patrol, an organization, a non-profit, that I run. Each one of them has a message from an American citizen asking that our border be secure.
In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a man who knew an invasion when he saw one, cracked down on illegal immigration and cut the number of apprehensions down to less than 35,000. Today, John McCain says he will secure the border before addressing the illegal immigration amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform issue. It is time that John McCain flesh out his promises. It is time that he define what he means.
When President Eisenhower cut the number of apprehensions across our border to less than 35,000, he had one tenth the border patrol agents. He did not have the UAVs. He did not have the fences. He did not have the technology. And, yet, he got


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Next to actually standing a watch on the border as a USBP agent or other LEO to contribute directly to arrests of illegals and illegal drugs, your doing what you can, i guess. In your own way your contributing by posting this stuff here.

I get this feeling that you believe that if LEO's/LE agencies aren't like your super hero Joe, that we're not doing anything to help solve the problem. Many of the arrests and deportations of illegals and drug arrests don't make the AP wire, that are made by LEO's and their agencies across this country.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:29 PM

Hopefully general awareness of the situation is being increased by this thread.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 04:57 PM

guys, in all honest and humble respect, with your last good and honest words ,I suggest that we just continue to use this AMAZING mechanism of "Raising Awareness"......Call, Write, E-Mail,.....NEVER give up

Not sure if ya'll will remember,....Oh hell yeah you will on Ammo reloading components ban / OSHA.....we literally pounded that piece of facist trash legislation into the GROUND last year,....using EXACTLY this venue ( I-Net) that I so half assedly and stumblingly try to apply, Daily, to this particular problem of the day,.....

I think it would be interesting to resurect that thread,......you talk about Revere's Ride,.....Steve Garbe
( Black Powder Cartridge News), Dave Trenk ( Pedersoli ) Myself ( No particular claim,....gonzo)

We got the ball rolling,....and within a week or two,...Limbaugh, Savage and , the Leprocan were onto it. The NRA was drinkin at a conferance / convention,...and was DAMNED embarassed at it taking place right under their noses.

Point is ,...this Sorta "Use what's avail, ....improvise, adapt, conquer" disemination of information could well be THE factor that tips scales towards a "Harmonious Outcome" ( Monty Walsh)

Why not at least try.

GTC

Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 05:17 PM

Hay, Caramba,.....Lotsa' people getting Chot

............European's take worth note.

link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/291/

Britain, Germany and Switzerland officially warn citizens about the dangers of travel in Mexico
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORMER BORDER PATROL OFFICERS
Visit our website: http://www.nafbpo.org
Foreign News Report

The National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers (NAFBPO) extracts and condenses the material that follows from Mexican and Central and South American on-line media sources on a daily basis. You are free to disseminate this information, but we request that you credit NAFBPO as being the provider.

El Informador (Guadalajara, Jal.), El Universal (Mex. City), Frontera (Tijuana. B.C.) 8/27/08

Various European governments are now warning their citizens that when visiting Mexico they must protect themselves as much from the police as from the criminals because there are links between the police officers and criminal groups.
The German Chancery recommended its citizens not to resist if they are victims of some crime because the law breakers use their weapons immediately. Further it emphasizes that police forces are implicated in illicit activities.
Likewise, officials in Great Britain issued alerts to tourists due to the complaints of complicity between police and kidnappers. In its internet site, it points out that “express kidnappings” occur especially in Mexico City.
And the Swiss Dep’t. of Foreign Relations uses a section to explain criminality in Mexico and mentions that there’ve been known cases of police collusion in criminal activity.
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Norte (Cd. Juarez, Chih.) , Diario Xalapa (Xalapa, Veracruz) - part of “o.e.m.” national chain - 8/27/08

A five day “bi-national march” begins today to protest the construction of the border fence in the El Paso, TX, area. Portions of the articles read: “The people of the border area share and are united by a single history, a language and a culture, even though the land is separated by an international border, for which reason the border area peoples cannot be divided. With the start of the building of the border fence, it not only tries to divide a territory more, it also tries to divide one people even more.”
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El Diario de Coahuila (Saltillo, Coah.) 8/27/08

- The wave of violence in Chihuahua brought death to ten more persons, among them five from one family, all massacred with AK-47 assault rifles at a ranch on the Aldama to Ojinaga highway, just north of Chihuahua City.
- Mex. military arrested three men and seized the following from their vehicle on the Reynosa to Matamoros highway (this is just across the Rio Grande upriver from Brownsville TX) : four rifles, two carbines, two shotguns, a pistol, over 3200 rounds of ammo, 66 clips, five grenades, two telescopic sights plus over a dozen radios, some bullet proof vests and other gear.
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El Informador (Guadalajara, Jalisco) 8/27/08

The Jalisco State AG’s office issued preliminary detention orders against ten city police officers and investigators and informants in the Guadalajara area. They’re all accused of theft and extortion.
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El Universal (Mexico City) 8/27/08

- Two “AFI” (Mex. Fed. Inv. Agency) agents were murdered and a third one is in a hospital after a car-to-car gunfire assault in Ciudad Obregon, Sonora. One of the dead was the head of the local aerial interdiction unit.
- In Durango, Durango, three of the state’s Investigation Dep’t., a regional commander and two other officers, were having a late dinner at a restaurant. Then hit men arrived and shot and killed all three agents at their table. The killers left as quickly as they had arrived.
- Three other bodies, one of them missing its head, were found in Vicente Guerrero, a bit south of the city of Durango.
- Found and destroyed near a ranch close to Barranca, Jalisco: 199 thousand six-foot tall marihuana plants in over 46 thousand sq, meters (some eleven acres.)
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La Cronica de Hoy (Mexico City) 8/27/08

Yesterday was one of the bloodiest days of the year. There were 23 “executions” (sic) in just eight states. The article then goes on to name the locales and to furnish names, places and general details of the bloody events.
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La Jornada (Mexico City) 8/27/08

- Raul Prado, Commander of the State Ministerial Police Homicide Unit, was killed by “at least” sixty shots this morning while on his way to work in Aguascalientes, Ags.; five individuals got out of two vehicles as Prado approached and riddled him, then they fled.
- The Private Sector Center for Economic Studies cites an Inter-American Development Bank report that places the cost of crime at some 14% of the GDP of countries such as Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, Peru, El Salvador & Venezuela. In Mexico’s case, the cost is equivalent to 120 billion dollars a year, some of which is attributed to loss of private capital investment and loss of human resources.
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La Prensa (Mexico City) - part of “o.e.m.” national chain - 8/27/08

The attachment is a photo shown about one particular incident included in a long article detailing blood and mayhem from murderous events around Mexico. The second attachment, from “Excelsior” (Mexico City) is a political cartoon showing a man labeled “Corruption of Officials.” On a “National Security Accord” document he signs “Impunity.”
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- end of report -
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 06:14 PM

Nutsiness the vogue there

.....Denver

Caution turgid Dem crap to wade through.....split off and poluting the top of the page

the bpttom's worth a look

Some NERVY, and MOUTHY folk really ignoring potential for their actions,....like backfiring........

critical mass approaches

GTC



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Read more updatesMore than 800 people joined a march supporting immigration rights this morning, culminating in a lunchtime, festival-like gathering at Lincoln Park.

The march began shortly after 9 a.m. at Rude Park and proceeded without any problems, police said.

"It's been a fantastic group. I think this went off without a hitch," said police Capt. Joseph Padilla. "They've all been cooperative."

A group calling itself "World Can't Wait" led the march.

"This is Germany in the 1930s all over again!" according to a press statement. "The past seven years of the Bush regime have seen a dramatic escalation of attacks on immigrants on many fronts."

But marchers say they don't believe there would be significant changes under a Barack Obama

Immigrant rights advocates marched on Denver on August 28, 2008. (SPECIAL TO THE DENVER POST | Nathan W. Armes)or John McCain administration.
"Obama has made no call to reverse this whole ugly program," the statement says. "Stop the attacks on Immigrants! Stop the ICE raids! Stop the Criminal Bush Program!"

Police monitored streets along the route after hearing reports that anti-immigration protesters might try to heckle the crowd, but they encountered no problems.

"We want to build bridges and not walls between our countries," march organizer Rudy Gonzales said. "We want pathways to citizenship. We want to decriminalize immigration."

March supporters included those with T-shirts that proclaim: "Immigrant rights are human rights."

Felipe Perez, 32, of Denver, said he is a first-generation citizen who lays tile for work, and that several members of his family were deported, including his aunt who was pregnant when one day she disappeared.

"We didn't know what happened to her. Something has to be done to open our borders. I still have family members who come here to make a better life," he said.

The Rev. Ron Stief, of Washington, D.C., helped organize the march. He said he has traveled the country visiting illegal immigrants held in detention centers.

"There is no issue more important than how we care for immigrants," he said. "The way that families cannot be united is a problem as well as the way people have been criminalized and end up in jail."

Aubrey Valencia, 32, of Aurora walked with her daughter, Jasmine, 6, to join the march.

"This is how she gets an education," said Valencia, who held her daughter home from school to march. "The goal is to teach history as it happens, about the democratic process, about social justice."

An older man watching the march commented, "I don't know how someone could stay home and watch Dr. Phil with all this going on, but they do."








Posted by: ebd10

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 07:43 PM

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I haven't seen too many US agencies that if you hurt or kill one of their fellow LEO's, those LEO's are going to turnover every rock or whatever to find those who commited the crime. This same concept has been tried by black & hispanic gangs, who deal in money, drugs, guns etc. It hasn't been a problem in the US yet.


There are people with gang affiliations in the military and various police departments. Where do you suppose their loyalties lie? Cops are people too. Wave enough money in their face and they take it. People behind the badge have been drug runners, hitmen, drug dealers, guards for drug dealers, thieves, armed robbers, rapists, pedophiles, and every other type of scum on the earth. In other words, YOU are US. WE are YOU. That means that cops, lawyers, judges, and politicians (duh) can be corrupted. Corrupt enough of them and you have a situation like Chicago. In Daleyland, the cops can get away with anything.

In the 21st century, the most effective self-defense tool against tyranny is a video camera. I wonder how soon it will be before laws are passed against people filming "the authorities?"
Posted by: ltppowell

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 07:50 PM

Actually Eb, that was an excellent post. But in reference to the last sentence, most of us film ourselves.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/28/08 09:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Quote:
I haven't seen too many US agencies that if you hurt or kill one of their fellow LEO's, those LEO's are going to turnover every rock or whatever to find those who commited the crime. This same concept has been tried by black & hispanic gangs, who deal in money, drugs, guns etc. It hasn't been a problem in the US yet.


There are people with gang affiliations in the military and various police departments. Where do you suppose their loyalties lie? Cops are people too. Wave enough money in their face and they take it. People behind the badge have been drug runners, hitmen, drug dealers, guards for drug dealers, thieves, armed robbers, rapists, pedophiles, and every other type of scum on the earth. In other words, YOU are US. WE are YOU. That means that cops, lawyers, judges, and politicians (duh) can be corrupted. Corrupt enough of them and you have a situation like Chicago. In Daleyland, the cops can get away with anything.

In the 21st century, the most effective self-defense tool against tyranny is a video camera. I wonder how soon it will be before laws are passed against people filming "the authorities?"

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Granted these acts happen, but there not the majority. I don't have facts and figures in front of me, to back this up. If i follow Crossfire's, the sky is falling theory in Mex. this is a majority of LEO's who are on the take versus it's a minority or less in the US. As was stated LE catches themselves regarding criminal activity via camera.

I've personally witnessed an investigation of an LEO in an agency, who was snitching off the druggies, as to our operations. He was prosecuted and decommissioned by the state.

My employer could conduct secret squirrel investigations on me, he has all the info. required to do it, names of family and friends, bank accounts etc. and the personnel to put me under surveilance 24/7 365, as do most LE agencies. This is no different then conducting security checks on military personnel.

What would be your answer to insure that LEO's don't go to the dark side?
Posted by: ebd10

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 06:40 AM

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What would be your answer to insure that LEO's don't go to the dark side?


Require college degrees, twice yearly random drug tests, annual credit checks, DNA samples, videotape everything they do or say, get a ballistic signature on every firearm they own, and have them sign a waiver that allows the agency to tap their phones and look at their email anytime they want.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 07:07 AM

Dang, that might drive someone over to the dark side.
Posted by: ebd10

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 07:28 AM

 Originally Posted By: g5m
Dang, that might drive someone over to the dark side.


Well, he asked.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 08:04 AM

Yes. \:\)
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 09:43 AM

 Originally Posted By: ebd10
 Quote:
What would be your answer to insure that LEO's don't go to the dark side?


Require college degrees, twice yearly random drug tests, annual credit checks, DNA samples, videotape everything they do or say, get a ballistic signature on every firearm they own, and have them sign a waiver that allows the agency to tap their phones and look at their email anytime they want.


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Well let's see:

1. College degree's, many agencies require it, or recommend it , if you want to get above entry level. I can tell you as a former FTO, i've trained college grads, who were stupid, they had great book smarts, but little common sense, a degree doesn't make the man or women always in this case.

Are you as a taxpayer willing to pay more money as LEO's will say, "screw this place, i'll go work where the money is better". It costs money to train and retrain folks, academies aren't free, you have to pay a salary, plus other required expenditures. All you'll have is a revolving door agency. Unless the taxpayers are willing to pay more in salary. If i remember, my Sheriff told me it costs the agency about 15K to hire and train a deputy, off the street, this before their fully trained and ready to solo.

2. Random drug screen, i get one yearly, plus anytime there's a major incident involving a weapon or automobile.

3. Credit checks, the agencies have the info. it's up to them to run them. I know that i had one done, without my knowledge when i worked interdiction. I had these done in the Mil. in regards to my security clearance.

4. DNA sample many agencies have done this, i know mine has. Plus if you've been in the Mil. in the last 20 years or less, they have one too.

5. Videotape, that pretty much the norm, regarding traffic stops, most calls and interviews and criminal investigations.

6. Ballistic signitures, haven't seen or heard of this in an agency.

7. Tap your phone and and check your computer. If your subject to a secret squirrel investigation, those things will be done. The phone will be tapped and you won't know nothing about it. Your computer will be seized with a warrant when your arrested.

Now how many of these are done in your employment, to keep you from stealing from your employer or doing criminal activities against your employer? Most LE agencies, won't hire if you have a felony, DUI, or domestic abuse conviction.

You can work in the civilian sector with these issues, unless the employer is covered or required under some type of DOD or other Govt. security requirement. There are agencies who won't hire if you've ever been fired from a job, be it a LE or a civilian job. The requirements are actually alot higher then you think.

It's funny, the smaller the agency, the tighter it is. I know agencies, if the Chief or Sheriff doesn't know your Momma or Daddy or other members of your family or know you personnaly, your not getting a job.

It's getting to where they won't even hire, if, it's an arrest, even a misdemeanor. In this state you have to get a waiver from the POST Commission, for any arrest, the Commission won't waiver felonies, but misdemeanors require a waiver.

It's an interesting list though, i'ld hate to be the taxpayer in the city/county/state, that would have to pay the salary, that the LEO's would demand to have to be put under all these requirements for what their currently being paid.
Posted by: ebd10

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 10:06 AM

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Now how many of these are done in your employment, to keep you from stealing from your employer or doing criminal activities against your employer? Most LE agencies, won't hire if you have a felony, DUI, or domestic abuse conviction.


Irrelevant. My employment doesn't endow me with the power of life and death over those I may encounter. If I'm caught working drunk, high, under threat of death or financial ruin, some widget may get sent to the wrong place. If an LEO acts while drunk, high, under threat of death or financial ruin, someone gets dead.

I mean, really, if you haven't done anything wrong, why would you object?

 Quote:
It's getting to where they won't even hire, if, it's an arrest, even a misdemeanor. In this state you have to get a waiver from the POST Commission, for any arrest, the Commission won't waiver felonies, but misdemeanors require a waiver.


Do you disagree with this? Seems to me that those entrusted with enforcing the law should be held to a higher standard.

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It's an interesting list though, i'ld hate to be the taxpayer in the city/county/state, that would have to pay the salary, that the LEO's would demand to have to be put under all these requirements for what there currently being paid.


Unfortunately, the people in the municipalities don't get a choice as to whether they want that level of enforcement. They just get to go along for the ride.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 10:50 AM

Crossfire"s........"The Sky is falling in Mexico Theory"

........Murders, Assasinations, abductions, Be-headings, Rogue Military and Cops in profusion,........a combination thereof mounting THE threat of the day, and REAL issue of these times,.......

.............I guess with Hunter on the job / case we can all relax and go watch sit-coms..........?

Anyhoo,....this from the Washington times,......and (HEY DEPUTY READ THIS),.....apparently the largest BP Union Local in US agrees with me, that this Pin Ball Machine is flashing TILT.


Link: http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/bush-urged-to-block-mexican-military/


Bush urged to block Mexican military
Agents cite rash of incursions
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The U.S. Border Patrol's largest union local has asked President Bush to put an end to the scores of Mexican military incursions into the United States that have put Border Patrol agents at risk of being injured or killed.

"It is disgraceful that Border Patrol agents are put in harm's way and our government doesn't do everything reasonably within its power to protect us from marauding Mexican soldiers and others," said Edward "Bud" Tuffly II, head of Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) in Tucson.

"Without a forceful response to these illegal incursions, an agent will eventually be seriously wounded or killed. It is only a matter of time," Mr. Tuffly said. "The incursions will not stop until the Mexican military units and their commanders are held accountable for their actions."

In a letter Saturday to Mr. Bush, Mr. Tuffly asked the president to "take a strong stand against" Mexican military incursions.

He said Mexican soldiers have made hundreds of incursions into the United States and that some of them resulted in agents coming under gunfire and being detained at gunpoint.

"It is a documented fact that the Mexican military is corrupt and is involved in protecting drug cartels, smugglers and other criminals," said Mr. Tuffly, a veteran Border Patrol agent.

The NBPC represents all of the agency's 16,000 nonsupervisory agents. Mr. Tuffly's local is the union's largest, with about 3,000 members.

White House officials said Wednesday that they had not received the letter and referred inquiries to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

CBP spokesman Michael Friel acknowledged that the Mexican military has made incursions into the United States and said those incidents have been treated seriously and reported up the chain of command. He said protocols have been developed to ensure that the incidents are resolved as "quickly and safely" as possible.

"There is an international boundary for a reason and they are to be respected by both governments," Mr. Friel said. "We take very seriously our role in working with our international neighbors to address and resolve these situations."

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Last week in separate letters to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, Rep. Duncan Hunter raised what he described as "serious questions" about the Mexican military's presence and activities along the southwestern border.

He made the comments in response to an Aug. 3 incident during which a Border Patrol agent was held at gunpoint by members of the Mexican military who had crossed the border into Arizona about 85 miles southwest of Tucson. The soldiers returned to Mexico without incident when backup agents responded to assist.

"The fact that the Mexican military is operating in such close proximity to the border, without any identifiable purpose, calls into question its activities and raises concerns about the vulnerability of our southern land border," said Mr. Hunter, a California Republican who played a key role in the government's efforts to build a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border.

"When considering the frequency of incursions and the threat these encounters pose to our Border Patrol agents, it is critical that we take the necessary steps to ensure that Mexican military and law-enforcement personnel do not cross into the U.S. without our knowledge or consent," he said.

Officials at Homeland Security also referred inquiries to CBP.

Mr. Friel noted that the ongoing construction of 670 miles of fencing along the southwestern border "will result in a clearer delineation of the international border" and a reduction in the number of incursions.

Last week, the State Department and the Border Patrol in Washington described the Aug. 3 incursion as a "momentary misunderstanding," saying the Mexican soldiers did not know where they were and needed to make certain that the detained agent was who he said he was - although rank-and-file Border Patrol agents in Arizona said he was dressed in uniform and was driving a well-marked, white-and-green agency vehicle.

The incident occurred on the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, a major corridor for smuggling humans and drugs.

Mr. Tuffly said the four Mexican military personnel who crossed into the United States on Aug. 3 did so after passing vehicle barriers that Homeland Security had erected at the border. The agent was in full uniform and was driving a fully marked Border Patrol vehicle, complete with red and blue lights, large green stripes down the side, and the large words "Border Patrol" on the sides and the rear of the vehicle, he said.

"A reasonable person would conclude that the soldiers knew exactly at whom they were pointing their rifles," Mr. Tuffly said. "Had the agent panicked and fired a shot or attempted to flee in his vehicle, there is little doubt the Mexican soldiers would have opened fire."

He described the State Department's declaration that the incident was a "misunderstanding" as "unfortunate."

"During past incursions, the Mexican government has denied it had soldiers in the area. They have blamed impostors, even when military Humvees were involved," he said. "Time after time they have gotten away with these incursions and time after time our government has not taken a forceful stand against them."

Mr. Hunter said in his letters that 43 Mexican military incursions have been reported in the past 10 months and more than 200 since 2006. In the letter, he asked what action the Homeland Security and State departments were taking "to address the incursion ... and limit or prevent the likelihood of similar incidents in the future."

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Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 10:57 AM

 Originally Posted By: ebd10
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Now how many of these are done in your employment, to keep you from stealing from your employer or doing criminal activities against your employer? Most LE agencies, won't hire if you have a felony, DUI, or domestic abuse conviction.


Irrelevant. My employment doesn't endow me with the power of life and death over those I may encounter. If I'm caught working drunk, high, under threat of death or financial ruin, some widget may get sent to the wrong place. If an LEO acts while drunk, high, under threat of death or financial ruin, someone gets dead.

I mean, really, if you haven't done anything wrong, why would you object?

 Quote:
It's getting to where they won't even hire, if, it's an arrest, even a misdemeanor. In this state you have to get a waiver from the POST Commission, for any arrest, the Commission won't waiver felonies, but misdemeanors require a waiver.


Do you disagree with this? Seems to me that those entrusted with enforcing the law should be held to a higher standard.

 Quote:
It's an interesting list though, i'ld hate to be the taxpayer in the city/county/state, that would have to pay the salary, that the LEO's would demand to have to be put under all these requirements for what there currently being paid.


Unfortunately, the people in the municipalities don't get a choice as to whether they want that level of enforcement. They just get to go along for the ride.





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I have no problem with the higher standards for employment, it's been that way in this state, well before i became involved. I've done the secret squirrel investigations on folks, i've seen some of the things that can occur.

But at the same time, i've done background checks on new hires and have found folks who've been in a fist fight at eighteen, and charged with simple assault and their in there early thirties when they apply, and have had no other issues since then, they deserve a waiver for a misdemeanor.

The same for the college student who was charged with a ten dollar PWC arrest, that's Passing Worthless Check, for a pizza, but had excellent grades and recommendations, with no other issues. What do you do say, too bad, so sad. You go ahead and submit the waiver to POST and hope they concur.

In regards to citizens input into the hiring and firing and etc. of an agency, it's called Civil Service. Establish a Civil Service Board within your community, that deals with LE standards and you can have a say so.

Civil Service Boards, consist of citizens who are involved in the selection of LE and other personnel in the Govt. of the community.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 11:02 AM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
Crossfire"s........"The Sky is falling in Mexico Theory"

........Murders, Assasinations, abductions, Be-headings, Rogue Military and Cops in profusion,........a combination thereof mounting THE threat of the day, and REAL issue of these times,.......

.............I guess with Hunter on the job / case we can all relax and go watch sit-coms..........?

Anyhoo,....this from the Washington times,......and (HEY DEPUTY READ THIS),.....apparently the largest BP Union Local in US agrees with me, that this Pin Ball Machine is flashing TILT.


Link: http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/bush-urged-to-block-mexican-military/


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The U.S. Border Patrol's largest union local has asked President Bush to put an end to the scores of Mexican military incursions into the United States that have put Border Patrol agents at risk of being injured or killed.

"It is disgraceful that Border Patrol agents are put in harm's way and our government doesn't do everything reasonably within its power to protect us from marauding Mexican soldiers and others," said Edward "Bud" Tuffly II, head of Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) in Tucson.

"Without a forceful response to these illegal incursions, an agent will eventually be seriously wounded or killed. It is only a matter of time," Mr. Tuffly said. "The incursions will not stop until the Mexican military units and their commanders are held accountable for their actions."

In a letter Saturday to Mr. Bush, Mr. Tuffly asked the president to "take a strong stand against" Mexican military incursions.

He said Mexican soldiers have made hundreds of incursions into the United States and that some of them resulted in agents coming under gunfire and being detained at gunpoint.

"It is a documented fact that the Mexican military is corrupt and is involved in protecting drug cartels, smugglers and other criminals," said Mr. Tuffly, a veteran Border Patrol agent.

The NBPC represents all of the agency's 16,000 nonsupervisory agents. Mr. Tuffly's local is the union's largest, with about 3,000 members.

White House officials said Wednesday that they had not received the letter and referred inquiries to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

CBP spokesman Michael Friel acknowledged that the Mexican military has made incursions into the United States and said those incidents have been treated seriously and reported up the chain of command. He said protocols have been developed to ensure that the incidents are resolved as "quickly and safely" as possible.

"There is an international boundary for a reason and they are to be respected by both governments," Mr. Friel said. "We take very seriously our role in working with our international neighbors to address and resolve these situations."

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Last week in separate letters to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, Rep. Duncan Hunter raised what he described as "serious questions" about the Mexican military's presence and activities along the southwestern border.

He made the comments in response to an Aug. 3 incident during which a Border Patrol agent was held at gunpoint by members of the Mexican military who had crossed the border into Arizona about 85 miles southwest of Tucson. The soldiers returned to Mexico without incident when backup agents responded to assist.

"The fact that the Mexican military is operating in such close proximity to the border, without any identifiable purpose, calls into question its activities and raises concerns about the vulnerability of our southern land border," said Mr. Hunter, a California Republican who played a key role in the government's efforts to build a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border.

"When considering the frequency of incursions and the threat these encounters pose to our Border Patrol agents, it is critical that we take the necessary steps to ensure that Mexican military and law-enforcement personnel do not cross into the U.S. without our knowledge or consent," he said.

Officials at Homeland Security also referred inquiries to CBP.

Mr. Friel noted that the ongoing construction of 670 miles of fencing along the southwestern border "will result in a clearer delineation of the international border" and a reduction in the number of incursions.

Last week, the State Department and the Border Patrol in Washington described the Aug. 3 incursion as a "momentary misunderstanding," saying the Mexican soldiers did not know where they were and needed to make certain that the detained agent was who he said he was - although rank-and-file Border Patrol agents in Arizona said he was dressed in uniform and was driving a well-marked, white-and-green agency vehicle.

The incident occurred on the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, a major corridor for smuggling humans and drugs.

Mr. Tuffly said the four Mexican military personnel who crossed into the United States on Aug. 3 did so after passing vehicle barriers that Homeland Security had erected at the border. The agent was in full uniform and was driving a fully marked Border Patrol vehicle, complete with red and blue lights, large green stripes down the side, and the large words "Border Patrol" on the sides and the rear of the vehicle, he said.

"A reasonable person would conclude that the soldiers knew exactly at whom they were pointing their rifles," Mr. Tuffly said. "Had the agent panicked and fired a shot or attempted to flee in his vehicle, there is little doubt the Mexican soldiers would have opened fire."

He described the State Department's declaration that the incident was a "misunderstanding" as "unfortunate."

"During past incursions, the Mexican government has denied it had soldiers in the area. They have blamed impostors, even when military Humvees were involved," he said. "Time after time they have gotten away with these incursions and time after time our government has not taken a forceful stand against them."

Mr. Hunter said in his letters that 43 Mexican military incursions have been reported in the past 10 months and more than 200 since 2006. In the letter, he asked what action the Homeland Security and State departments were taking "to address the incursion ... and limit or prevent the likelihood of similar incidents in the future."

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I am trying to do my part in my community, everyday. It's not my fault that it's phucked up in your AO. I can't do anything about that.

I never stated that, what's occuring on the border isn't wrong, dipstick. I don't like your attitude, that it's LE's fault, that it's that way.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 11:42 AM

" I never stated that, what's occuring on the border isn't wrong, dipstick. I don't like your attitude, that it's LE's fault, that it's that way."

Jeez, Hunter,........don't be like these guys,....losin' their heads,..................

Bwa-ha. You're amusing when you COP ( Bwa-Ha) an attitude, And no FRA given as to who likes or dislikes mine.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080829/wl_afp/mexicocrime

12 decapitated bodies found in Mexico Fri Aug 29, 1:35 AM ET



MERIDA, Mexico (AFP) - Twelve decapitated bodies bearing signs of torture were found Thursday in eastern Mexico, authorities said, adding that they were still looking for the heads.

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Eleven headless male bodies were found piled on top of each other and covered with blankets in a suburb of the city of Merida, the capital of Yucatan state.

Some of the cadavers also had their legs tied, an AFP photographer saw. One was completely naked, while others wore denim clothing. Some of the murdered men had tattooed arms.

A twelfth body was found in a town called Buctzotz, 70 kilometers (45 miles) northeast of Merida. Its head is also missing.

Jose Guzman, a Yucatan state prosecutor, said the bodies were found by townspeople but that the heads were still missing.

"We believe that the 12 executions were an isolated incident and not part of a strategy to destabilize the state," Guzman told reporters.

A top Mexican public security official who visited Merida recently had noted that the city had remained largely untouched by the drug war that has left more than 2,600 dead in Mexico so far this year.

Just four drug-related murders had been reported in Yucatan state this year, according to El Universal newspaper.

Decapitated bodies have appeared in southern and northern Mexico, and authorities say they are revenge killings between rival drug cartels.

In recent years, drug trafficking gangs have resorted to decapitations and dismemberments against their foes in northern and southern Mexico. Hitmen often leave notes on the bodies indicating it was a drug-related assassination.




Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 11:55 AM

All this assing around with personal inuendo gets old,...and it may be that I get first crack at ignore feature, pretty quick.
I've thus far not felt it needed.

I'll probably just quit responding to the Romper room grade jabs,.......outside of material directly pertinent.

Things really are degrading to the point where next thing you know we'l be yelling < " Yeah, ....welll you got a big Nose "

I do have one request though,.... some have noted, Many of these articles are legnthy, and text heavy. "Quoting" them, and bringing all that text back to the screen really loads this site that Rick so dillegently and graciously maintains for us. If your objective is to post a simple short paragraph in response to something of some legnth,....please take the little extra time to Cut and Paste the exact portion of previous text, and respond there-to.

I'm not asking this outta' respect for myself,...and my off the wall opinions,....I'm asking it on behalf of the General Budget for this site,....and Mr. Bin.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 12:31 PM

This stuff is getting old, it's the same old song everyday. Woe is me, i live on the border, the Mexicans are doing bad things in Mexico, Woe is me.

I think the whole world knows and understands this, i know the majority of the citizens in the US know it also. I can pull up the info. out of EPIC, that you don't even have access to, and read the same stuff.

The majority of folks on here don't respond to it, they've heard it over and over. Posting it on here isn't going to make a difference. I don't think we've got any US House or Senate members at 24Hr.

My main and biggest point is it seems to me, that you blame LE for the issue.

Have you ever served in the military ? The USBP is as all LE agencies para military to a point. They have a chain of command and policy and procedures. The private doesn't tell the general what to do. The same concept applies to LE agencies those folks out in the field, can only make suggestions and recommendations to higher.

The Admin. at USBP within the districts involved can only make suggestions and recommendations to their higher and so on and so forth.

I speak weekly to a USBP supervisor in the El Paso district that, i've known for over twenty years, since serving in the Army together. We discuss the issues in depth, it's what it is, they like the majority of LE agencies, are dealing with it the best they can with the resources that they have.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 01:11 PM

The word's WOE,......Deputy,....

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 01:19 PM

Oh no, welder...... I'll correct that, i didn't realize that besides your other duties, your the spelling and grammer master, so sorry, Oh great one.... I know that you never error!! I'll get right after it.....
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 02:22 PM

Got a suggestion for you Hunter,......post a thread of your own,.......

I'll give you a rough outline of how I'd do it,.....but it's yoour baby

Thread title " Crossfireoops' Border thread Offends Me"

Hi folks, My name is Hunter1960, and in case you didn't know , I'm deeply involved in Law Enforcement ,...and a U.S. Army Veteran.

This "Border thread offends me no end,......would you please write in and answer my Poll "

Those who want it taken Down

VS.

Those who'd just as soon see it stay up

........We don't even know much about him,.....in spite of my continual bombardment of him for complete life story,answers to a bazillion questions, stool and urine specimens,....
ugh,......gak "

Signed Hunter1960, yadda,...."


Last paragraph's spoof,....something you don't do well with,...

But, in all honesty hunter,.....WHY NOT JUST DO THIS ?

I'll quit posting this thread in a HEARTBEAT,......should you rally up a lynch mob saying nix " Meanwhile on the Border".

I'll take an educated guess up front,....you've not balls to do this.............and however you respond to this today, will have swapped ends tomorrow.

One PROVISO.......

If a majority says continue this thread,....you agree to go drink a nice hot mug of STFU, and suck your thumb for a while,....

and quit trashing this effort.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 02:32 PM

I don't give a [bleep] if it stays or goes.

I know it gives you a warm and fuzzy and a purpose in life. I truly couldn't care less about, what you print. Like i stated i can pull up the classified stuff through EPIC, which is better anyway.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 02:45 PM

" I truly couldn't care less about, what you print. "

..............HMmmmmmmm,


GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 03:22 PM

Long Island Rag urge SURRENDER to flood of illegals

LINK: http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpimm295820401aug29,0,5415287.story

Immigration is a word that was seldom heard in Denver this week, as Democrats geared up for their run to Election Day. It was a curious omission.

There are plenty of big issues awaiting the next president: The economy, war, energy, climate change, health care and education have all commanded attention. But immigration needs to be on that list. Borders remain porous. About 12 million people are in the country illegally. Communities on Long Island and elsewhere are struggling with the problem of day laborers who gather on street corners in search of work. The nation's immigration system is broken.

Illegal immigration has roiled the nation and tied Washington in knots. Deaths in detention and aggressive workplace raids - hundreds of people were detained Monday at a factory in Laurel, Miss. - have kept the issue bubbling. And it's of particular interest to Hispanics, a key voting bloc up for grabs in November.

A comprehensive approach has to be found, one that would fortify borders, streamline the naturalization process and provide enough legal temporary workers to meet the needs of employers, such as those on Long Island's East End. And it should lay out a path to citizenship for the millions of undocumented immigrants already in the country. That's just too many people to realistically detain or deport.



Republicans have an opportunity to showcase their views on immigration at their convention next week in Minnesota. It won't be easy to balance the interests of the party's conservative base, which doesn't much like the idea of a route to citizenship, with those of Hispanic voters, many of whom favor a path out of the shadows for the undocumented.

That's an uncomfortable straddle for presumptive Republican nominee John McCain. As a senator, he championed a path to citizenship, an approach that Democratic nominee Barack Obama embraced, but that most of McCain's Republican colleagues rejected. Campaigns are the time for candidates to forge a mandate for action on tough issues. It's an opportunity that shouldn't be missed on immigration.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 03:29 PM

Micro chips,.....?

too damn creepy,....

THIS ONE'S worth opening,......and "Creepy" advisory stands

....our original Death Penalty ( post Lindburgh Baby debacle ?), for this stuff, was bright, and well advised

I'd be willing to bet that them charged with kidnapping are greeted with warm cinamon buns, ....these days.

Lord,....show us guidance,....rely on our basically good morality,....steer us through the rocks and shoals ahead,.....

Link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/...ty.40d2e46.html

Crime fears drive Mexicans' increase of extreme security measures

02:48 PM CDT on Friday, August 29, 2008
By LAURENCE ILIFF / The Dallas Morning News
liliff@dallasnews.com

MEXICO CITY – Fearful Mexicans are injecting rice-sized security chips under their skin, strapping on $400 bulletproof vests under work shirts, and installing satellite trackers in their cars as an unchecked crime wave sweeps the nation.

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Along the Mexican border with Texas, factory workers are given personal security classes by U.S. trainers, who tell them to alter their routes to work and keep track of reappearing vehicles to make it more difficult for them to be followed.

The upper middle class and the rich are turning to bulletproofing their vehicles, a booming "accessory item" that runs from $20,000 to $100,000 based on what kind of bullets the buyer wants to be able to stop.

An unprecedented wave of narco killings and a series of kidnappings have the Mexican security industry booming, but they're bad news for everybody else, including American investors and tourists, analysts say.

The U.S. Embassy is warning travelers to take extra precautions, as have the embassies of European countries.

Even President Felipe Calderón, who has made crime his top priority, acknowledged this week that taxpayer-funded police forces are involved in not just drug-running but also a rash of abductions, in which uniformed officers sometimes are the executioners of their victims, even children.

Crime has skyrocketed, analysts say, because crime pays in Mexico. About 99 percent of all crimes go unpunished, according to studies by non-governmental groups.

"Criminals have become much more aggressive, more insensitive, and the attacks come with a much greater level of violence," said Mauricio Natale, president of the Mexican Association of Armored Vehicles.

LAURENCE ILIFF/DMN
A mannequin displays bulletproof clothing in the posh Polanco section of Mexico City. Colombian entrepreneur Miguel Caballero sells bulletproof clothing that run from a simple $400 vest to tuxedos and T-shirts that cost thousands of dollars.
View larger More photos Photo store "It's very complicated for people because the criminals know that the police are very corrupt and that nothing will happen to them even if they are caught," said Mr. Natale, who predicts armored car sales nationwide will reach 1,700 this year, compared with 1,500 last year.

More than a million people are expected to join in anti-crime marches in 17 states on Saturday night, including the Mexico-Texas border states of Chihuahua, Coahuila and Tamaulipas.

Part of the outcry, analysts say, stems from the recent kidnap and killing of the 14-year-old son of a sporting goods mogul, and public pleas and billboards put up this week by the mother of 19-year-old Silvia Vargas, who was kidnapped a year ago.

A massive banner across a downtown building bears an image of a smiling Ms. Vargas, whose family has a chain of swimming centers, with the words "Please return my daughter Silvia. A reward will be paid."

But while part of Mexicans' fear may come from the publicity surrounding high-profile crimes, another part comes from the government's own numbers.

The federal Public Security Ministry released figures this week that show reported kidnappings rose to 785 last year, up from 727 in 2006. That's an 8.6 percent increase and more than 50 percent higher than the 500 reported kidnappings per year at the beginning of the decade. And most kidnappings, analysts say, are not reported for fear that police are involved.

Mr. Calderón, in a series of televised spots this week that constitute his "state of the union" message, acknowledged police corruption and promised to do more.

"I know that Mexico faces a great security problem," he said. "It's a cancer that has been incubating during years and one that was not paid attention to, but it is a cancer that we are going to eradicate."

Meanwhile, Mexicans are taking matters into their own hands.

The sales of global positioning system (GPS) units that can be carried or installed in vehicles – and are used mainly for security in Mexico – are rising by 25 percent a year, according to the Mexican Association of Private Security and Satellite Companies. Currently, Mexico has 150,000 of the units functioning, increasingly by private users like families worried about the whereabouts of their children.

The devices have a panic button which alerts police or private guards.

"A GPS is not going to stop a kidnapping or robbery, but it does allow for a reaction to get security to them," said Gerardo Macias Pérez, the organization's treasurer.

A Colombian entrepreneur has another idea: bulletproof clothing.

Miguel Caballero sells raincoats, jackets, tuxedos and even T-shirts with high-tech bullet-stopping equipment from a store in Mexico City's posh Polanco neighborhood.

But it's not just the rich buying, he said. Politicians, business people and even low-level distributors of consumer goods are clients for his creations, which cost from $400 to $6,000 and more.

Sales in Mexico are rising by 20 percent a year, Mr. Caballero said.

But for all the high-tech and hardware growth in the security market, security consultant Jon French, director of Problem Solvers in Mexico, says knowledge is power.

Mr. French gives talks to workers of factories along the U.S.-Mexico border and consults for the rich and powerful.

The famous chip implanted in one's arm bears personal information, but it is useless without an external GPS transmitter, he said.

Mr. French recommends that Mexicans stay out of online social networking groups like Facebook, since kidnappers are looking for any personal information concerning wealth, places frequented and pictures.

He also recommends keeping a low profile in terms of showing off any type of wealth, since some kidnappers are looking for as little as a few hundred dollars and will kill their victims since the likelihood of getting caught is so low.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 04:07 PM

WHOO HOooo,...

Sanity Dawns,...
or some aberation?

Please,...let it be the former


California Assembly Bill 2076 fails!

August 29, 2008 -- 1:20 PM PDT

I was just informed by Fuentes office that they are not "moving the bill" for AB2076 which would prohibit E-verify for CA governments. That means the bill is dead for this session.

Sunday the 31st is the absolute deadline for getting legislation passed and to the governor.

So, they will probably re-introduce the bill next year with the new Assembly and a new number, make it a two year bill and we will debating this on and off until 2010.

Rick Oltman -- Californians for Population Stabilization
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 06:05 PM

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops
" I truly couldn't care less about, what you print. "

..............HMmmmmmmm,


GTC


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You can post here till the cows come home, and it's not going to make a difference in the big picture, other then giving you a warm and fuzzy, and making you feel as if your doing something.

I know that you feel your doing a wonderful thing for the cause, i guess at your age, that's all you can contribute, so that's worthy.

Like i stated i can read the classified stuff off the USBP EPIC LE only access page, which is more detailed then anything, that you can come up with off the net.

Like i stated, i don't think anyone here on the 24hr is a US Rep or Sen, so not a whole lot is going to change, due to your postings. But, you have a goodtime doing it. It makes you feel as if your Paul Revere, the Mexicans are coming, the Mexicans are coming. Take care.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/29/08 06:12 PM

" making you feel as if your doing something."

Yup,...building and maintaining ranges don't

"i guess at your age, that's all you can contribute,"

....as previously noted, no respect for your elders,... a self affirmed PUNK .

"not a whole lot is going to change, "

We'll just have to leave that up to a higher power now,....won't we?


" I truly couldn't care less about, what you print. "

Jeez, you sure coulda fooled me,.......I get the impression that you're running short of sleep ( bad Idea, do that and you'll miss getting to be my age)

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 03:27 PM

From CANADA ?

WOW,.............This is interesting , exciting, and embarrassing at once.

Don't tell BCB,.....

This would tilt his kilter.

GTC


Link: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4719

From individual rights and liberties, an irrevocable gift from our creator, comes individual responsibility and self-reliance

Democrats Are Traitors to America’s Founding Principles of Freedom and Liberty
By Ron Ewart Friday, August 29, 2008


This is a difficult article to write; to accuse fellow Americans of being traitors of freedom and their country. We do not do so lightly. Nevertheless, from the vantage point from where we make our observations, we have no choice.

From individual rights and liberties, an irrevocable gift from our creator, comes individual responsibility and self-reliance. Should we deny our responsibility for our own actions and the direction of our own life, should we move from individual self-reliance to dependency on others, or government, we have squandered that irrevocable gift from our creator and handed it over to a collective. We have done so at our own peril.

Many years ago, on the Floor of the House of Representatives, Representative Davy Crocket said this about Congress appropriating money for the widow of a distinguished Naval Officer:



“Mr. Speaker—I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money” ............

“......... We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.”

And yet, as time has passed since Davy Crockett spoke these words, the Democrats have, with malice aforethought, corruptly appropriated monies from the public treasury and have passed out the taxpayers hard-earned dollars to those supposedly less well off, without the slightest constitutional authority. In so doing, they have invited rampant corruption and every government service program is rife with waste, fraud, abuse and yes, corruption.

This drift towards socialism began with the first dictator of America, FDR. His New Deal and Social security programs were fully sanctioned by the U. S. Congress and the U. S. Supreme Court. In fact FDR, in his speech to the nation in January of 1944, just after being reelected for a fourth term, said these unconstitutional words:



“This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain unalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty. As our Nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness. We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all… Among these new rights are “The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries, or shops or farms or mines of the Nation; The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living; The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad; The right of every family to a decent home; The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health; The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; The right to a good education.”

These pronouncements by a sitting president, should have sent shivers of loathing and disgust down the spines of all freedom-loving Americans at the time and caused the Founding Fathers to spin rapidly in their graves. In fact, at the same time, the Socialist Party candidate for president, Norman Thomas essentially said there was no need for him to run any more, because the Democrat Party had adopted the Socialist Party platform. His actual quote was: “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

The Democrats since then have delivered on FDR’s traitorous words and New Deal programs. They have served up to the American people a platter of abject socialism and now, radical environmentalism. The American people have been bought, sold and conquered on the promises and propaganda of Democrats who have raided the public treasury for the sole purpose of buying votes to remain in power. They have accomplished this takeover with a cultural mindset that bears no relation to constitutional principles. They have appealed to the weakness in men that buy into the hype, propaganda, lies and distortions of these con men in order to receive these so-called “free” benefits from their government that bears no relation to their labors. All this the Democrats have done, without a shot being fired.

In almost every word and deed, Democrats have forsaken our constitution, even though Democrat politicians swear on sacred oath to preserve, protect and defend that very same constitution. They counter with, “the Constitution is a ‘fluid’ document, subject to interpretation that changes over time.” They ignore the statements in the Constitution that mandate it to be the Supreme Law of the Land and is to be literally construed using the original intent of the Framers.

Democrats apologize to the rest of the world for our achievements. We have allowed their socialist and radical environmental agendas to pervade our lives, usurp our rights and trash our Constitutions. We have allowed the infiltration of their unconstitutional agendas into our national culture.

They apologize for our greatness to the rest of the World. They have buried our well-deserved national pride in their attempts to seek approval from other countries with failed and corrupt governments. Democrats have capitulated to the whims of foreign nations because those nations don’t like our policies of freedom for every corner of the world; policies that we know lead to self-reliance, productivity and peace. Unashamedly, Democrats appease our enemies.

Internally, we have allowed the Democrats to turn our balance of power, designed by our Founding Fathers in the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government, on its head and we have allowed un-elected bureaucrats to make our laws. Our bureaucracies have been infiltrated by liberal, socialists and radical environmental graduates out of our very liberal colleges. And these bureaucracies make law, after law, after law until we are sick of laws and end up becoming lawless. Through these laws, with no constitutional authority or legislative approval, they take our land, our money and our rights as individual Americans and we have let them do it.

America needs to be the leader and the shining light to the World, not try to compete with the different forms of government and merge our “ways” with their “ways”. We are the most powerful country on Earth because we are free. America is and has been a beacon to the world and will continue to be that beacon unless we let Democrats and others who seek our destruction, try to dim that light with failed policies, negativism, despondency, dependency, the trashing of our constitution and embarrassment for our achievements, instead of being proud of them. We are great as a country and great as a people because of those achievements.

What America does will determine the fate of the world. If we forsake freedom, if we sell our sovereignty for expediency or a few pieces of silver, if we break the bonds of our Constitution, if we abdicate our right and duty to defend freedom for ourselves and future generations, we shall descend into the mediocrity, apathy and self loathing under which the rest of the world operates and will be pulled down to their level, never to rise again.

We have grave concerns that what we are facing today is a premeditated orchestration of the dismantling of our sacred institutions of freedom by Democrats and international elitists, that find that a free America stands in their way of the their distorted concept of the one-world-order, social justice and environmental protection, at any cost. Their unconstitutional give-away policies have this country on the brink of bankruptcy. Their environmental policies of restricting everything that we do, has brought this once-proud, can-do nation to its knees and has forced us to be dependent on other countries for our energy and other vital resources necessary for a thriving economy. Their open-border and amnesty policies that allow anyone wanting to come here illegally, will change the color of our politics and thus our freedom, for decades to come, from which we may never recover.

A clear and present danger hangs over this Country like a dark, ominous, angry cloud and threatens our freedom, if not our very existence. That dark, black cloud is manifested in abject socialism and radical environmentalism, the twin domestic evils that have invaded every corner of our culture and that have been sold to us by a “liberal” mentality, promoted by Democrats. Their ideas didn’t come from our founding principles and our laws, they came out of the bowels of socialist Europe and the United Nations and have been codified into law by Democrat presidential executive orders and a Democrat-controlled U. S. Congress that has lost all allegiance to the Supreme Law of the Land, our Constitution. These policies come at us with soft-sounding words like social equity, compassion, smart growth, sustainable development, biospheres, wildlife corridors, endangered species, invasive species, global warming, mass transit and the one-world order. It’s all dressed up in motherhood, apple pie and Chevrolet and it is one of the biggest con games ever perpetrated on what have now become, naïve, uninformed Americans.

But today, the hidden agenda of these perpetrators is finally being exposed all across America, as people are waking up to what has happened to them while they were sleeping. It’s way past time to fight back. This is still a great country, full of great people and it is salvageable if we will just vigorously defend our constitution and hold government to its limits, against the onslaught of failed liberal policies.

Should Barack Hussein Obama be elevated to President of the United States by the electorate because he happens to be a superb speaker, it could easily spell the death knell for a free United States of America. If the electorate is so naive as to elect a person with no substance and no experience, they shall get what they deserve. If they put this man in office based on hero worship and mass hysteria, the unintended consequences of their actions will reverberate throughout our history for a 100 years or more and our great country may have no chance of ever recovering from the effects of what he and a Democrat-controlled congress will do.

Democrats are traitors to America’s founding principles of freedom and liberty and are willing accomplices to the enemies of our freedom and our sovereignty. Those naive Democrats who have hitched their wagon to this party, aid and abet the destruction of America. No other conclusion is possible.

Unfortunately, Republicans are headed in the same direction and have forsaken their principles of small government, lower taxes and less restrictions on the people that was laid down in a “ blue print” for free men and women with common purpose and resolve to live out their lives and govern their individual and collective affairs by adhering to that ‘blue print’, some 232 years ago.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 03:30 PM

On "America's Hottest Governor"

.........Good deep roots on immigration policy


A Home Run
She Was A Member of the Buchanan Brigade

Posted by Richard Spencer -- August 29

Sarah Palin— -- Buchananite
Remember when Pat Buchanan ran a number of hard-right, fringe campaigns for president in the late 1980s, 1990s and 2000? Well, guess who was supporting him:
From an AP report in 1999: "Pat Buchanan brought his conservative message of a smaller government and an America First foreign policy to Fairbanks and Wasilla on Friday as he continued a campaign swing through Alaska. Buchanan's strong message championing states rights resonated with the roughly 85 people gathered for an Interior Republican luncheon in Fairbanks. ...Among those sporting Buchanan buttons were Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin and state Sen. Jerry Ward, R-Anchorage."
American Patrol Comment: McCain knew Sarah Palin was a Buchanan supporter when he picked her. Buchanan has been an outspoken opponent of amnesty (i.e., so-called comprehensive immigration reform) and it is likely that she agrees with him, so this is a very encouraging move.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 03:40 PM

El Paso,.....nervousness,

....uh-oh, while hard to distinguish from previous 7 days of updates here,

...repititious and redundant reports being the usual fare,

....there's a subtle edge of fear / panic to this.

All hell's breaking loose, and you can smell the sulphur.

Than again,....maybe it's just the sky falling


Link: http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_10343864

Mexican drug cartel war could cross border, intelligence center report warns
By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 08/30/2008 11:22:37 AM MDT


EL PASO - Drug traffickers could be more prone to confront U.S. law enforcement as they come under pressure as the cartel war continues to rage in the Juárez region, stated an analysis issued by the National Drug Intelligence Center.
The potential the cartel war could cross the border was raised last week when it was revealed El Paso authorities had received unconfirmed intelligence that Mexican drug cartels had approved sending hit men to kill targets in the United States.

More than 900 people have been slain so far this year in Juárez believed to be due to a war between the Juárez and Sinaloa drug cartels. Juárez has also seen a jump in kidnappings for ransom and bank robberies, which total more than 50 this year.

"Once a dominant cartel is established in the El Paso/Juárez plaza, stability will return to the area and the flow of drugs most likely will increase," stated an annual analysis of the West Texas High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) released in May by the National Drug Intelligence Center.

The potential for spillover of the cartel violence into West Texas was mentioned in the analysis, which included information from earlier this year.

"This violence could spill into the HIDTA region, since DTOs (drug trafficking organizations) may more readily confront law enforcement officers in the United States who seek to disrupt these DTOs' smuggling operations," the report stated. "Violence has extended into the HIDTA region in the past when traffickers


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felt pressure from U.S. law enforcement."
The West Texas HIDTA covers 12 counties near the border, including the cities of El Paso, Midland and Odessa.

But El Paso-Las Cruces area police and sheriff officials have said that it is unlikely that the violence will cross the border. Officers are prepared should it happen, officials said.

"I don't think the Mexican cartels will confront U.S law enforcement directly. Any confrontation will be the result of them coming after targets in the United States," said Robert Almonte, a retired El Paso police deputy chief who is executive director of the Texas Narcotics Officers Association.

"The last thing they want to do is confront U.S. law enforcement either local or federal," Almonte said. A confrontation with law enforcement in the U.S. would raise the ire of authorities.

Almonte said cartel enforcers prefer to lure targets into Mexico or kidnap victims in El Paso to take them to Juárez.

"They have been doing it over there (in Mexico) because they stand a much better chance of getting away with murder in Juárez," Almonte said.

The National Drug Intelligence Center analysis stated there are six major Mexican drug organizations plus 120 multistate groups and 606 local drug trafficking rings operating in West Texas. Groups range in size from five to dozens of members.

The Mexican cartels also have distribution cells in dozens of cities across the U.S. and have formed alliances with prison gangs, street gangs and outlaw motorcycle gangs, stated a Congressional Research Service report issued in February titled "Mexico's Drug Cartels."

The Dallas Morning-News reported that the Zetas, the notorious Gulf Cartel enforcers have been behind murders in Laredo and Dallas. The Zetas are also known to operate in Juárez.

The National Drug Intelligence Center report stated that law enforcement is up against a sophisticated opponent with extensive financial resources, including those of "corrupt Mexican businessmen," capable of funding high-tech equipment, including satellite phones.

Cartel gatekeepers are charged with collecting "taxes" on drug shipments moving through their turfs. It was such tolls that was behind a drop in cocaine in the El Paso region last year, revealed the intelligence center's report.

"Law enforcement reporting indicated the temporary suspension of cocaine shipments by a cartel operating in the El Paso/Juárez plaza occurred in 2007," the report stated. "This suspension is believed to have occurred because the organization implementing the suspension wanted to make sure that all cocaine shipments were being 'taxed.'"

In Juárez, authorities unable to control the crime wave are making changes to Joint Operation Chihuahua, the federal anti-crime offensive, which has been renamed Operation Juárez. More federal police officers arrived Friday and the Mexican army is expected to begin anti-crime street patrols this week, city officials said.

Mexican President Felipe Calderón said recently in his equivalent to the state of the union address that crime is the biggest challenge facing Mexico.

"I know Mexico faces a great security problem. This is a cancer that incubated for years and it wasn't given the attention it deserves but it is a cancer we will eradicate," Calderón said.

Calderón said that more than 100 federal police officers, 72 soldiers and five sailors have been killed in Mexico this year as federal forces fight drug traffickers, kidnappers and other criminals.

"It's a difficult battle," Calderón said. "It's a battle that will take time, resources and, sadly, human lives. But you can be sure it is a battle we will win with the support of the people of Mexico."

Mexico President Felipe Calderón's annual televised report can be viewed at http://www.presidencia.gob.mx.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 03:48 PM

Where's the "Dog" when you really need him ?

Can't believe the Federales let him go,.....wait, ....I can but would rather not.

THEY KNEW who they were holding.


Link: http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S=8924780

$350,000 Reward For Info on BP Agent Death




The manhunt heats up for a suspect accused of killing a local Border Patrol Agent. On Friday, the FBI and Customs and Border Protection introduced a $350,000 reward for the tipster who can lead them to Jesus Navarro Montes. He's a suspect in the death of Yuma Sector Border Patrol Agent Luis Aguilar.

Border Patrol hopes the money and a promise of anonymity will urge people to come forward with information.

"They can rest assured that their name will not become public record, and there are many safeguards in place that will keep them from going on the public docket," says Agent Ben Vik.

On January 19th, Luis Aguilar was run over by a drug smuggling vehicle in the Imperial County Sand Dunes. Agents say Montes fled back to Mexico after the attack.

"Our best lead is this suspect, and if we can get him into custody, I'm sure the Luis Aguilar family would rest."

In June, Montes was released from a Mexican prison after a judge cleared him of unrelated charges. Mexican officials claim they never received documents requesting extradition to the United States.
Posted by: Brother_Bill

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 04:04 PM

Nothing to add here really, just thunk this kind of funny.....given todays posts. Carry on........

 Originally Posted By: crossfireoops

I do have one request though,.... some have noted, Many of these articles are legnthy, and text heavy. "Quoting" them, and bringing all that text back to the screen really loads this site that Rick so dillegently and graciously maintains for us. If your objective is to post a simple short paragraph in response to something of some legnth,....please take the little extra time to Cut and Paste the exact portion of previous text, and respond there-to.

I'm not asking this outta' respect for myself,...and my off the wall opinions,....I'm asking it on behalf of the General Budget for this site,....and Mr. Bin.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 04:11 PM

" Nothing to add here really, just thunk this kind of funny.....given todays posts. Carry on........"

Uhhhh,...I'm posting this data, first time outta' the bag, so to speak....yes they're long,...particularly for those readin' 150WPM.

What's funny, or particularly dumb about thinkin' that repeating all that text / space is wasteful.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 07:01 PM

Ai de Mi,......mas Muertos en Durango,

Bob Dylan wrote a song about the place. Anyone got a link to that tune?

Damn sure seven that don't,.......DON'T open this link with children in the area,.....typical Latin American Graphics......
Stacked headless Whoresmen.

Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/more-killings-of-police-officers/

More killings of police officers
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(Versions of this event appeared in all Mex. paper sites seen today. The attachment is a related photo)

Roberto Campa, executive secretary of Mexico’s National Public Security System, said yesterday that “Yucatan is one of the five safest states at the national level, so preventive programs must be applied to keep organized crime from operating in this zone.” But later in the day, residents of the Chichi Suarez area of Merida, Yucatan, reported finding eleven piled up, tortured and beheaded bodies. Later yet, a twelfth body, also minus his head, was found some 110 miles east of Merida at Buctotz, Yucatan.
The eleven on a pile were reportedly nude at least from the waist up, and partially covered with bed clothes, some handcuffed and with feet tied. They showed signs of torture. Most of them had tattoos of “St. Death” or demons or dragons and “they were decapitated with just one blow.” The heads have not been found.
All agents guarding public buildings in the area were immediately furnished with bullet proof vests and the state governor’s personal security staff has been reinforced.
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El Universal (Mexico City) 8/29/08

At a meeting with “PAN” (Mex. political party) federal congressmen in Hermosillo, Sonora, President Calderon acknowledged that institutions in Mexico have been deteriorating gradually and that criminality has been nourished, has grown and been fermented (sic) by the indolence, corruption and impunity of some officials , but also because of the apathy and the lax tolerance margin which society has allowed it.
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Milenio (Mexico City) 8/29/08

A total of seven police officers were assassinated yesterday in Durango, Guerrero, the state of Mexico and Chiapas. This brings to seventy-one the number of law enforcement agents murdered in August, which has become the deadliest during the present administration. Twenty-eight have been killed in the last eight days.
Earlier this year, the deadliest months had been May, with 64; 45 took place in July and 43 in each of March and May.
Civilian murder victims were scattered; four were shot to death in Chihuahua and these brought to 206 the total assassinations this month for that locale. Nogales, Sonora and Reynosa, Tamaulipas were the scenes of additional killings, while in Morelia, Michoacan, two men were found, both tortured and finished off with coupe de grace shots.
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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 08:08 PM

" Downtrodden workers, seeking opportunity explore American Dream,

.......WHOA, wrong report,....

" "It essentially puts him on notice that if he commits one more felony in the state of California, he's looking at 25 years to life,"

Yup,....Nanny State says,...."Be NICE, .....PLEASE quit killing people, or we'll keep you alive forever"

This is certifiably NUTS,....No?

GTC

Link: http://www.sbsun.com/sanbernardino/ci_10339836

2 from `La Eme' convicted in conspiracy to kill witness
Joe Nelson, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 08/29/2008 08:42:26 PM PDT


The reputed leader of the Inland Empire section of the Mexican Mafia and his brother were sentenced Friday in San Bernardino Superior Court for their roles in a murder conspiracy involving two San Manuel tribal members.
Salvador Orozco Hernandez, 43, of Bloomington was sentenced to 10 years in prison, and his brother Alfred Hernandez, 39, was sentenced to nine years in prison.

Under a plea agreement reached in April with county prosecutors, the siblings each pleaded guilty to one count of attempted murder with a gang enhancement.

The two were arrested in December 2006 with dozens of others during a joint investigation between the Drug Enforcement Administration and the San Bernardino Police Department into the Mexican Mafia's methamphetamine racket in San Bernardino.

The investigation uncovered evidence that the Hernandez brothers were working with siblings Stacy Barajas-Nunez and Erik Barajas, both San Manuel tribal members, to kill a witness to the May 2004 shooting of San Bernardino resident James Seay outside the Brass Key bar in Highland.

A suspect in that shooting, Robert Martinez III, is a San Manuel tribal member. He was never charged in the case because of a lack of witness cooperation, county prosecutors said.

Seay, who survived the 2004 shooting and sued Martinez, was chased into his mother's backyard in May 2006 and shot to death by two unidentified assailants. It occurred about two weeks after he received a


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settlement check of about $250,000 from Martinez.
Barajas-Nunez, 25, pleaded guilty in April to attempted murder with a gang enhancement, transportation of a controlled substance for sale and possession of drugs in jail. She faces one year of jail time, which will likely be served as house arrest.

Erik Barajas, 35, pleaded guilty in April to assault with a deadly weapon with a gang enhancement and faces 180 days of jail time, also likely to be served at home.

The two tribal members will be sentenced Nov. 6.

The Hernandezes will receive credit for the time they have already served at West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga since their arrest. Salvador Hernandez will serve about seven years in prison. His brother Alfred will serve about 2 years.

Attorneys for the brothers said the sentences were fair. The siblings could have each faced 25 years to life in prison if they had gone to trial and were convicted.

"We went from life to six and seven years. That's one heck of a trade-off," said James Taylor, Alfred Hernandez's attorney.

Salvador Hernandez's attorney, Catherine Fox, added, "It's always a risk putting a defendant before a jury, so I think it's a favorable turnout."

Prosecutor Douglas Poston said he is satisfied with the terms of the plea agreement, which lines Salvador Hernandez up as a third striker.

"It essentially puts him on notice that if he commits one more felony in the state of California, he's looking at 25 years to life," Poston said.

The target of the murder conspiracy, a reported gang member with a history of criminal offenses, set the murder conspiracy in motion in spring 2006 when he and fellow gang members confronted Erik Barajas at the Brass Key and accosted him, accusing Barajas' brother of being an informant, according to a probation report released Friday.

As a peace offering, Barajas gave each man $2,500. That angered Stacy Barajas-Nunez, who confronted the victim the following day and demanded he return the money. She threatened to have him killed by "La Eme" if he didn't, the report said.

La Eme, Spanish for the letter "m," is a common reference for the Mexican Mafia.

According to the probation report, Stacy Barajas-Nunez initiated the murder plot. Her brother provided a yearbook photo of the victim to Salvador Hernandez and provided Hernandez with financial perks, including concert tickets for San Manuel Indian Bingo and Casino.

Because Salvador Hernandez refused to be interviewed, Probation Officer Jeremy Smith couldn't make a definitive conclusion as to why the feared gang member, who has a criminal record dating back 20 years, did what he did.

But he noted it was "doubtless that the gang members see the Barajases as a source of funding for them, in that Stacy and Erik Barajas receive the monthly casino generated payment to tribe members, which has been reported to be in excess of $100,000."
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 10:17 PM

There maybe more to this then we know. We don't know what evidence and info. was given to receive the lighter sentence. Sometimes you have to make deals to get bigger fish.

I know that things like this sit wrong with you, we don't know the whole story here, only what's published. As i've said before there's no honor among killers or druggie's, they take care of number one first.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/30/08 10:39 PM

Maybe the reward money, will loosen up some tongue's as to the whereabouts of the USBP agents killer, i hope so. Money talks in Mex. It could be very true that the paperwork or notice wasn't received regarding extradition of the suspect. There times that it's a PIA when dealing with other states and courts right here in the US regarding extradition.

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As far as the killings of the Mex. LEO's, the Govt. & Mil. of Mex. is going to have to step up, but i don't see that happening.

I wonder about the cooperation between LE agencies, within the various in Mex. regarding the killing of the LEO's. Earlier in the Summer we had an LEO shot and killed a couple of counties over while serving an arrest warrant. As soon as the BOLO went out on the wire about the suspect, there were personnel and resources, such as tracking dogs etc. enroute from agencies in the state over 200 miles away. They weren't requested they just volunteered, and the suspect was captured quickly. This is the normal type of response in this sort of situation.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 03:01 PM

The " Mex. LEO's " and " the Govt. & Mil. of Mex. "


...........ARE the criminals,.....

Given the bulk of validatiting material presnted for that thesis thus far ( lots by Mexican writers and corespondents)

I realy "Don't see that happening" either ( jeez, ...a coupla' rocket scientists, ain't we ?)

...they "Step up" to a telephone and ask for ransom,...or run dope,.....or harass and threaten our people on the line.

They 'Step up " to working the folks that pay them from both sides of the law,......

Scum of the earth,.....

Stepping up to a gallows would suit an awful lot of 'em.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 03:51 PM

I think everyone pretty well realizes that the Mex. Govt. is corrupt, as well as many of the LEO's, that's an undisputed fact.

If anything is going to change it must, come from within the Mex. Govt. Are they capable of changing, don't know, if they get tired of it, they may.

The US Govt. isn't going to change it, even with the "Geezer and Gidget" Admin. We're not going to send in a Mil. strike force to take over the Govt. of Mex. If that was the fact we could of done it anytime in the last 200 years.

You can build a wall 50 ft high from one end of the border the the other, with land mines or whatever, illegal activity, be it human or drugs are still going to get across into this country some where, some how.

This is a business that brings in millions, upon millions of dollars to organized crime, it's not a hobby. Can you reduce it YES, can you stop it, NO.

The drug importation issue has been going on for over the last 50 years or more. As i stated this was happening when Bill Jordan was a USBP agent, so it's nothing new. You can wish in one hand and [bleep] in the other, and see what you get.

The best we can do is continue the course, the USBP has been allowed to increase it's budget. They're hiring more agents and support personnel. Local LE agencies are being intregrated into the ICE process to assist in arresting and processing illegals.

I know you don't believe it, but money to local agencies to assist in this is a big factor. If your spending all your resources chasing illegals and aren't getting paid back by the Fed's it doesn't take long to go broke. Not all agencies have the big budgets and manpower, that some who are proactive in this area do.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 04:07 PM

Our own Hunter1960,....ever the bright, cheerful little ray of sunshine.

...take note of his attitude folks.

There's a message of some sort there for us.

I'm not sure I'd open with "Winning Attitude",...were I seeking to define the message.

..........I'm not.

You sure post a lot here, Hunter for someone who "Doesn't Care"

One can only guesstimate that you DO,....and for that, I thank you.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 04:17 PM

I do care about the issues, but i can't do much about the border.

The message is, that Mexico is going to have to fix Mexico. PERIOD

The LE agencies in this country are doing the best job, that they can under the circumstances.


Winning Attitude.....What are you talking about??? I am certain that agents of the USBP are doing the best that they can. LEO's through out the US are doing the best they can, to deal with the situation in their communities. What more do you want???

We've been dealing with drugs in this country forever, it's a market. You can't stop the organized crime folks from trying to make money. You can try hard to reduce it, but you can't stop it.

I know your not living under the thought that, that illegal drug traffic in this country can be stopped. Hell, i see older folks 70's & 80's, selling their pain med's. They get arrested too, no different then an illegal Mex. drug dealer. The only difference is that the taxpayers are supplying the drugs.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 04:49 PM

Mexico seems to be getting uncomfortably close to the Columbia of 10-15 years ago.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 05:30 PM

It sure does. I guess Pablo Escobar has come back from the dead and moved into Mexico.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 08:39 PM

From Tenn.

They're looking closely at Georgia's initiative, it would seem



Link: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/aug/31/chattanooga-immigration-reverse/?local

Chattanooga: Immigration in reverse


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José Gómez is seeing fewer people in his gym in Dalton, Ga. Not because folks aren’t as interested in staying healthy, he says, but because they’re interested in staying out of jail.

New immigration laws in Georgia — among the toughest in the nation — are scaring families with illegal immigrants out of the state, he says.

“I’ve known of at least 20 families that have left just because of these laws,” he said.

The fear and flight is not just in Georgia. Tougher immigration laws and more enforcement activity, combined with a slowing economy, are causing many immigrant families to pack their bags and head to other states or back to their native countries, area business owners and residents said.

Advocates of stricter controls on illegal immigrants complain that some laws still aren’t being fully enforced. But both sides of the immigration battle agree that undocumented workers are facing a variety of new hurdles.

n Georgia’s Security and Immigration Compliance Act, adopted in 2006 and implemented on July 1, 2007, requires verification of citizenship or legal alien status for any person to receive a government benefit in Georgia or to keep a new job by a public agency or state contractor.

n Although Tennessee has no state immigration controls similar to Georgia, a growing number of employers in Tennessee and other states are voluntarily joining the federal E-Verify program to check the legal status of new workers. A handful of police agencies in Tennessee also are participating in another federal program to check the immigration status of people they arrest.

n The federal Immigration and Custom Enforcement agency is checking more employers for illegal immigrant workers. In April, for instance, ICE arrested 100 workers at the Pilgrim’s Pride poultry plant in Chattanooga. Since then, federal and local authorities have recently made several arrests of undocumented workers in area neighborhoods.

The Rev. Mike Feely with the St. Andrews Center said the Hispanic community is definitely scared.

“There’s a heightened sense of awareness,” he said. “This has happened and the world doesn’t seem the same anymore.”

Bernardo Olvera, who owns a photo studio in Dalton, said while some immigrants decide to stay and look for employment opportunities in Chattanooga and Ooltewah, a large percentage have left to other states such as Texas, Louisiana and North Carolina.

“I know of a large percentage of people who have come to my studio to pick up some photos because they say they are leaving. I don’t know if that was the original intention of the authorities,” he said.

deportations rise

Across the South, the number of illegal immigrants deported from the United States has more than tripled in the past five years, rising more than five times as fast as the nation as a whole, according to Immigration and Custom Enforcement figures.

Nationwide, the number of people deported from October through February of fiscal 2008 totaled 113,683, or nearly 45 percent more than the same period a year ago. By comparison in the same period, deportations from the Atlanta office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement jumped from 1,546 in 2005 to 5,186 this year.

“The climate is certainly much different than in the past,” said Robert Divine, an immigration lawyer in Chattanooga. “We’re seeing more enforcement activity as the administration tries to demonstrate that the government has the will and ability to enforce the law.”

The increased enforcement against illegal immigrants comes as unemployment in the region is at the highest level in more than 15 years in Georgia and at a 21-year high in Tennessee. Immigrants often are among the last hired and the first fired in an economic downturn, and the new restrictions are making it harder for illegal immigrants to find or keep their jobs, officials said.

Jerry Gonzalez, executive director of the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials, said the general effects of Georgia’s tougher immigration laws have been creating a lot of confusion and fear.

“The word-of-mouth is spreading that Georgia is an unwelcoming place, and that’s not necessarily something we want to portray our state as,” he said.

But state Sen. John Douglas, R-Social Circle, said the new laws he helped sponsor are having their desired effect.

“We’re definitely seeing a downturn in the number of illegal immigrants in Georgia both because of the economy and some of these new rules,” he said. “Georgia has certainly earned a reputation that it is less friendly to illegal immigration than other areas and that was our goal. We want illegal immigrants to know that this is not the place for them.”

georgia crackdown

Sen. Douglas was a key sponsor of new immigration enforcement law adopted by Georgia lawmakers two years ago. The Georgia law requires state and local governments to verify the citizenship of any government contractor or recipient of government benefits administered by a state agency such as nonemergency health care. The new law also requires state law enforcement agencies to check the legal status of those charged with a felony or a DUI.

SB 529: Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act

Effective July 1, 2007

* Requires that jail personnel check the legal status of those charged with a felony or DUI and notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement if the individual is not legally in the United States.

* Requires that entities verify legal U.S. residence for local, state or federal benefits administered by a state agencies, with some exceptions such as prenatal and emergency care.

* Requires that companies contracted with state agencies use the E-Verify program for newly hired employees to verify lawful employment in the country.

* Specifies that undocumented employee compensation more than $600 a year may not be used as an allowable business expense.

* Requires 6 percent state withholding tax for all nonresident aliens.

* Authorizes the Department of Public Safety to enter into a memorandum of understanding with the U.S. Department of Justice concerning the enforcement of immigration laws.

Source: Georgia’s State Legislature

287 (g)

* Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides for the authorization of trained state and local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law.

* In Georgia, the Georgia Department of Public Safety and the Whitfield County Sheriff’s Office are among the four entities that participate in the program.

* In Tennessee, the Tennessee Department of Safety and the Davidson County Sheriff’s Office in Nashville are part of the program.

Source: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Web site

E-Verify

* A voluntary Internet-based program established to allow employers to electronically verify workers’ employment eligibility with the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration.

* E-Verify allows participating employers to electronically compare employee information taken from the Form I-9 (the paper-based employment eligibility verification form used for all new hires) against more than 425 million records in Social Security Administration’s database and more than 60 million records in Department of Homeland Security’s immigration databases.

* Results are returned within seconds.

* Those employees whose work authorization cannot be instantly verified are given the opportunity to work with the Social Security Administration or U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to confirm their work authorization.

* Naturalized citizens who haven’t updated their records with the Social Security Administration are the largest category of work-authorized persons who initially face a mismatch in E-Verify.

* More than 66,000 employers, representing close to 259,000 worksites, currently are signed up to use the E-Verify program, and the number of registered employers is growing by more than 1,000 per week.

Source: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Web site

Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program

* An inter-governmental information sharing initiative to help benefit granting agency workers determine a non-citizen applicant’s immigration status, ensuring that only entitled non-citizen applicants receive federal, state, or local public benefits and licenses.

* A rate of $0.50 applies to each request submitted electronically, with an additional $0.50 charge if the case is referred for additional verification. A rate of $2 applies to each initial manual verification request submitted via the paper-based Form G-845, Document Verification Request.

Source: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Web site
A separate Georgia law that went into effect July 1 also requires legal status verification for those convicted of driving without a license or a revoked license. If the person is not legally in the country, officials must notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

At the federal level, Immigration and Customs Enforcement is offering a new enforcement option to local police, a computer system — called 287(g) — that allows access to multiple databases to check the legal residency status of a person.

The Tennessee Department of Public Safety, Nashville’s Davidson County Sheriff’s Department and four Georgia sheriff departments, including Whitfield County in Dalton, have trained officers on the federal verification system. They are among 59 enforcement agencies that have collectively trained nearly 800 local officers nationwide to enforce immigration laws. The $42 million training program this year, up from $15 million in fiscal 2007, has helped identify more than 62,000 people with possible immigration violations in the past two years, according to government figures.

The Whitfield County Sheriff’s Department started working with the system in May to screen those arrested on other charges who cannot provide proof of legal residence or U.S. citizenship. After a few months of operation, Whitfield Sheriff Scott Chitwood calls the situation a “win-win.”

Prior to the program, Sheriff Chitwood said his department would call the ICE office in Atlanta to check on the status anyone arrested who couldn’t provide documentation. Under the new federal program, deputies are sworn federal officers who can enforce immigration rules, Sheriff Chitwood said.

“Our officers now have the ability to hold someone at the jail and basically start the deportation process,” he said. “So what 287(g) has done is put six federal officers in the Whitfield County Sheriff’s Department.”

Lt. Wesley Lynch, a supervising officer with 287(g) training at the Whitfield Jail, said he thinks that public awareness of the program has caused a “dramatic decrease in our jail population and a noticeable decrease in the number of inmates arrested with no Social Security number.”

Legal fears and enforcement

Critics of the 287(g) program argue that what was sold as a program to catch and deport criminal illegal immigrants has spiraled out of control and people are being deported for traffic violations in some communities such as Nashville.

“Families are deciding not to drive together in the same car because of fear no one will be able to take care of their children in case they are stopped,” said Catalina Nieto, public awareness coordinator with the Tennessee Immigrants and Refugees Rights Coalition.

She said that in Davidson County more than 80 percent of those processed under 287(g) were only charged with misdemeanors.

“People in our community are living in fear, which affects all of us because that means people not reporting crimes or being easy target of crimes,” she added.

But proponents of tougher immigration enforcement contend that many local governments are not following all parts of the Georgia law more than two years after it was passed.

Among Georgia’s 159 counties, only Whitfield, Hall, Cobb and Gwinnett counties have police agencies participating in the federal 287(g) program, Mr. King said.

Among 694 cities and counties in Georgia, only 10 were enrolled in June in the federal program that verifies the legal status of non U.S. citizens for benefits — known as the Systematic Alien Verification of Entitlement (SAVE) program, according to Department of Homeland Security figures.

“The law clearly says that, before any public benefit may be offered to any legal alien living in Georgia, they must use the SAVE program,” said D.A. King, an immigration control advocate who lives in Marietta, Ga. “But very few agencies are even signed up for the program two years after it was adopted and a year after these new rules went into effect.”

Sen. Douglas, who said the Georgia law “overall has been very positive,” also wants better enforcement of the rules by Georgia cities and counties.

“Very few cities and counties have complied fully with Georgia law and I am preparing now a letter to the city and county associations in Georgia, reminding them that they need to get their members to come into compliance with the law or the Legislature may take more steps to make sure the law is enforced,” he said.

Sen. Douglas said he may introduce new legislation if cities and counties don’t comply with the current law.

Immigration shift

The Southeast has been a magnet for many immigrants in recent years.

Between 2000 and 2006, the foreign-born population in Georgia changed from 577,273 to 859,590, a rise of 49 percent and representing 9.2 percent of the total population, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan, nonprofit Washington, D.C.-think tank that analyses the movement of people worldwide.

In Tennessee, the foreign-born population increased from 159,004 to 236,516 between 2000 and 2006, a 48.7 percent increase and 3.9 percent of the state’s total population.

But over time, tougher immigration enforcement definitely slows down immigration growth, said University of Georgia demographer Dr. Douglas Bachtel.

“Once they lose their job, they have to move to other places, particularly if they are illegal, because they won’t be able to get unemployment compensation,” he said. “They might stay for a while because their friends and family will take care of them, but that can’t last long.”

Luis Arevalo and his wife, Rebeca Garcia, are among those illegal immigrants in the area debating whether it’s better to stay in Dalton and hope things will get better or look elsewhere for opportunities.

Ms. Garcia lost her job at a carpet factory five months ago when her bosses discovered she was in the country illegally. A month after that, she gave birth to her second son, Jefferson.

“It has been extremely hard finding another job because all the companies are being very cautious in verifying the documents of who they hire,” the Guatemalan native said in Spanish.

Ms. Garcia and her husband said they have talked about the possibility of returning to Guatemala or perhaps moving to a different state where immigration laws are not as tough. But Mr. Arevalo said he has built his life in Dalton and doesn’t want to leave.

“I’ve been here for seven years. I’ve built friendships, a family, I don’t want to go,” the 25-year-old said in Spanish.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 09:15 PM

"the Guatemalan native said in Spanish"

"the 25-year-old said in Spanish."


Perhaps these are clues.
I wonder if the legal immigrants and the illegal immigrants have comparable percentages of using English.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 08/31/08 11:07 PM

I was familiar with the ICE raid on the Pilgrims Pride chicken processing plant in Chatt. Dalton Ga. is a big draw for the illegals, if your not familiar it's about 25 miles South of Chatt. Tn. on I-75 South towards Atlanta. It's known as the carpet capital of the US, all the big carpet Co's. have multiple plants there, Shaw, Mohawk, etc.

The LE agencies are trying, the Feds are training jail personnel, how to access the immigration status and process the required documents via the Fed. computer systems, as the story states.

The Fed's are providing the hardware and software, along with additional funding for the agencies. One of the better things, is that Immigration Dept. has became easier to work with. There more willing to help local agencies then in the past.

A few counties over, ICE and a local agency, raided a Chinese restaurant and loaded up a bunch of illegals working there. Some from Asia, some from Mex./Central Amer.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 08:04 AM

The Ga. law is pretty good. When the Tn. House and Senate go back into session they may look at it. Right now the more urban areas such as Nashville and Memphis, Chattanooga are doing the majority of the illegal alien seizures.

Some of the more rural agricultural counties won't be hot on the bandwagon for it, due to the fact that the Agri. producers need the work force that the illegals provide. I know of one county (Warren) in Mid Tn. that has probably the number one nursery production in the nation. The nursery owners are old money Dem's.

Back in the early 70's when the factories came into that county, the locals got out of the nursery fields and went into the factories. This left the nursery owners without workers, the nursery owners got together and sent a Rep. to Mex. and made it known that if folks could get to this county, they'ld have jobs, and it's been this way ever since.


The nursery industry is a multimillion dollar industry for that area, and the producers aren't going to let that money slip away. They've tried to mechanize some of the physical need for workers using mechanical balldiggers, that dig the trees, but much of the industry is very labor intensive. The Nurseryman's Assoc. is a very strong political group in this state, they've kept Immigration Service at bay, in certain counties. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 01:03 PM

"The Nurseryman's Assoc. is a very strong political group in this state, they've kept Immigration Service at bay, in certain counties. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out."

Interesting comment. Kind of sounds like they are promoting breaking the law.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 01:25 PM

Their no different, then any other political interest group in the country. To them their not breaking the law. They're maintaining a lifestyle and standard of living that they've had for many years.

They feel that if the nursery industry fails, the trickle down effect, will hurt everyone within that county. They help get folks elected, the Assoc. call's in the IOU's.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 08:13 PM

A "re-hash", ...granted.
'cept they chrarge 1.50 for this one.

Tenn. is lookin' cool.
might actually be some optimistic folk over there.

we already have heart and soul basics from at least ONE defeatist



Link; http://timesfreepress.com/news/2008/sep/01/chattanooga-more-employers-use-e-verify-despite-co/?local

Chattanooga: More employers use E-Verify despite complaints


By: Perla Trevizo
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Despite concerns from business groups and immigrant advocates about a government Web-based employment verification program, a growing number of local companies are using it.

Since the voluntary program E-Verify was offered to employers in 2004, almost 4,000 Georgia companies and more than 800 businesses in Tennessee have signed up to participate in the federal program, including 50 employers in Chattanooga and 96 in Dalton, Ga.

The E-Verify program is a voluntary, Internet-based program established to allow employers to verify workers’ employment eligibility electronically with the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration.

“We have been using E-Verify without any real problems for three years,” said Kary Klein, owner of the temporary hiring firm SmartHire in Chattanooga. “I could see the trend coming, and I think eventually most employers are going to have to use it. We want to be a leader in our industry, so we began using E-Verify very early.”

Jessica Jones, an employee at SmartHire, said the computer check of new hires is quick and easy.

PDF: New Employment Verification Act

HOW DOES IT WORK?

* Within three days of hiring an employee, the participating employer is required to enter information such as the employee’s name, date of birth, Social Security number and citizenship status into E-Verify. Within seconds, the employer receives a response.

* If there’s a tentative nonconfirmation or “mismatch,” the employer must notify the employee and give him or her the opportunity to contest that finding.

* If the employee chooses to contest the “mismatch,” he or she has eight business days to visit a Social Security Administration office with the required documents to prove identity.

* Until the “mismatch” is resolved, the employee must be allowed to keep working and cannot be fired or have any other employment-related action taken against him or her.

Source: United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
But a proposal from the Bush administration in June to require all companies doing business with the federal government to use E-Verify has drawn fire from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Human Resource Initiative for a Legal Workforce and the Immigration Police Center, among others.

Cost concerns

Critics contend E-Verify could prove costly, especially when workers are hired and then later have to be dismissed if the worker’s status isn’t verified.

Randel Johnson, a vice president for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said requiring all federal contractors to participate in E-Verify “raises many unnecessary practical problems which will make ever more complex an already overly complicated federal procurement system.”

D.A. King, president of the anti-immigration group known as the Dustin Inman Society in Marietta, Ga., dismisses such criticism.

“This program not only ought to be renewed by the Congress, but it ought to be mandated for all employers,” he said. “Every employer should be happy to comply with the law and be sure that they have hired lawful workers.”

Mr. King said E-Verify is essential for compliance of public employers and state contractors under laws in Georgia and some other states.

Growing use

Arizona and Mississippi have laws requiring all employers in the state to use E-Verify, and Georgia, Minnesota, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Utah require some employers to use the program.

The Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act, which went into effect last year, requires employers that have state contracts to use E-Verify. The law now requires E-Verify usage only for state contractors with 100 or more employees, but after July 1, 2009, it will include all state contractors.

Critics argue E-Verify is a flawed system that has high error rates and could have great consequences for legal workers and U.S. citizens.

The Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration databases have errors, said Michele Waslin, senior policy analyst with the Immigration Policy Center, a research institution dedicated to studying the contributions immigrants have made to America.

“Sometimes if (the employer) doesn’t get a confirmation back, they don’t tell the person,” Dr. Waslin said. “In some cases they just fire the person without giving them the chance to fix that problem. There is certainly a possibility of discrimination and misusing the system.”

In a December 2006 report, the inspector general of the Social Security Administration estimated that 17.8 million, or 4.1 percent, of the agency’s 435 million individual records contained discrepancies that could result in a no-match letter being sent to a legally authorized worker. Of those records with errors, 12.7 million belonged to native-born Americans, records show.

If these error rates were not fixed before a mandatory Electronic Employment Eligibility Verification System was implemented, they could result in a minimum of 11,000 workers per day being flagged as ineligible for employment, according to the Cato Institute, a nonprofit public policy research foundation in Washington, D.C.

Officials with local personnel agencies using the system for new hires say they are not experiencing such problems.

“It’s been very easy for us to work with and quite user friendly,” said David Crisp, vice president for Olsten Staffing Services in Chattanooga. “Once the word gets out that you are using the system, very few people come to you who might have a problem with their immigration status.”

Staff writer Dave Flessner contributed to this story.

Comments
The use of the well functioning E-Verify will reduce crime of all types and most importantly, protect our population both citizens and immigrants. To the illegal aliens and unscrupulous employers who are bellyaching... hire legal or ante up for some fine and time.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: multiplicitor | On: September 1, 2008 at 4:18 a.m. WOO HOO! The so called reporter would like people to believe this is an unpopular move, but that's not true! LEGAL citizens are pleased to read this.

"To the illegal aliens and unscrupulous employers who are bellyaching... hire legal or ante up for some fine and time." PERFECT! The only whiners are the illegals and the employers who benefit from hiring them! Oh yeah, and probably the ACLU and LaRaza... notoriously Anti American organizations who "profess" to speak for us.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: go4gin1994 | On: September 1, 2008 at 5:43 a.m. "In a December 2006 report, ...."
Get with the "program" Ms. Trevizo.
Just last month it was reported there is only a 1% - 3% error rate!
Anyone who can't produce valid documents needs to stay unemployed!
How hard is it to find YOUR birth certificate?
Just someone else who is most likely profiting from illegal invaders. Oh yea, newspapers need such articles to boost sales.

IT'S TIME TO PUT A STOP TO THIS ILLEGAL INVASION NIGHTMARE!

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“There will be no “path to citizenship” given to any illegal alien. That means no amnesty. Not in any shape, manner, or form. I would not allow tax dollars to be used to pay for illegal aliens’ education, social services, or medical care. As President, I would end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. There would be no “anchor babies” during my administration.’
“A Baldwin Administration will support our U.S. Border Patrol, not with meaningless words, but with action. And I guarantee you this: The day before my inauguration as President will be the last day the that Mr. Ramos and Mr. Campean will have to spend in prison. They will be released from prison on the first day that I that I am President and be returned to their jobs with the US Border Patrol if they still want them. Their persecution by the Bush Administration has been a disgrace and a nightmare for these gentlemen and their families. The nightmare ends the day I become President!”

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0 of 1 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: ineelb4no1 | On: September 1, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. <chuckle>. The legality of the so-called "anchor baby" is defined in the Constitution itself; it is called a "natural born citizen" and is automatically and irrevocably granted citizenship.

It takes an Amendment to the Constitution ratified by two-thirds of the States to change that little item, not a Presidential edict. <chuckle>

Not that I like the "Anchor Baby" thing...but there it is. They are natural-born citizens just like the rest of us born here.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: rolando | On: September 1, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. E-Verify is a good thing.

Pity these comments so badly criticize the TimesFreePress reporting. They virtually guarantee its removal from this forum no later than tomorrow morn, possibly this afternoon.

Stories of the new VW plant remain here forever [which is a good thing] but anything else showing opposition to illegal aliens has a one-day half-life.

[Will VW be required to use E-Verify to ensure only legal workers are hired?? Or will they voluntarily use it??]


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: rolando | On: September 1, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. 08/15/2008 - Currently, 62 local enforcement agencies spanning the nation have signed MOAs with ICE and now more than 840 officers have been trained to enforce immigration law.

DHS By The Numbers

80,000 employers enrolled in e-Verify

5.37 million employees checked using e-Verify

THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!

OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM

#1. Secure the Border!!!
#2. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ANY Benefit!!!
#4. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#5. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
......and make it retroactive!!!
#6. End Chain Migration!!!
#7. Make English our Official Language!!!
#8. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!

NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!

Southwest Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions
Fiscal Year-------------2005---------2006---------2007-------2008 (ends 9/30)
San Diego------------126,879-----142,104---- 152,460--- 135,683
El Centro--------------55,725-------61,465----- 55,883----- 35,018
Yuma-----------------138,492-----118,549----- 37,992------ 7,621 *
Tucson --------------439,053-----392,074---- 378,239--- 281,207
El Paso---------------122,624-----122,256----- 75,464----- 27,100
Marfa ------------------10,532--------7,520------- 5,536------ 4,699
Del Rio -----------------68,547------42,636----- 22,920----- 17,994
Laredo -----------------75,268------74,840----- 56,714------37,850
Rio Grande Valley --134,136----110,528------ 73,430----- 64,549
Apprehensions----1,189,108--1,071,972-----858,638----611,721(07/31)

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0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: Buzzm1 | On: September 1, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. This reporter does not hide her own ideas very well....we are guessing that she donates to La Raza.

I am a long time Dustin Inman Society supporter. We are not "anti-immigration" as this hack writes, but rather pro border security and anti-ILLEGAL immigration. D.A. King has done a fine job of making this very understandable on the DIS Website ( http://WWW.THEDUSTININMANSOCIETY.ORG )

The slant here is all too obvious in the first paragraph when we read about "immigrant advocates" who are against use of the E-Verify program. Yeah..."immigrant advocates", the same people who brought us the marches for amnesty and the ACLU/La Raza/MALDEF opposition to any enforcement of our immigration laws.

I may be ill after reading this muck. Does this Trevizo person have an editor who is professional and/or awake?

I can't wait to see what D.A. writes to these characters.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: Americanworker | On: September 1, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. Ms. Trevizo: You have written an overall well-balanced piece; you presented both sides of this contentious issue with little bias. This is quite unusual in today's Mainstream Media and is a fresh breath of air.

Whether we agree with the points of your article or not, you have done a great job in informing us of the ups and downs of the E-Verify system. You have given us enough information to speed further research if any are so inclined. Thank you.

I look forward to continuing balanced updates of your report on this topic. Obviously there is high interest here...
Posted by: ltppowell

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 08:19 PM

For those of you who are interested, the usual "penalty" for employers who are busted for hiring multitudes of illegals is the required use of E-Verify.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 08:29 PM

Rumor has it there's worse penalties.

Note, that I did not mention "The Law"

GTC
Posted by: ltppowell

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 08:46 PM

Might be, but I haven't seen it.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 08:58 PM

Play there, ....win the prizes,

anyone up for a "Vacation"

Link: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/M...ml&SECTION=HOME

US man dies in Mexico jail; officers investigated

Latin America News
US man dies in Mexico jail; officers investigated



CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico (AP) -- Six Mexican officers have been placed under house arrest on suspicion of homicide after an American man died while in police custody in the resort city of San Jose del Cabo, a prosecutor said Monday.

Baja California Sur state deputy prosecutor Omar Barajas said the officers were placed under house arrest Sunday while authorities investigate whether they played a role in the death. He identified the victim as a 38-year-old man from Oregon, but the U.S. Embassy could not confirm his name or hometown.

The man was arrested Wednesday after he was involved in a fight at an apartment complex and died in jail hours later, Barajas said.

A medical examiner recorded minor bruises on the man's face at the time of his arrest, but more were found on his body after his death, the prosecutor said.

Barajas said the police officers gave contradictory statements about the man's incarceration. One confessed to kicking him in the face. Others said the victim hit his face on the ground when they pushed him to the floor to subdue him.

Surveillance video and witness statements indicate that officers struck the victim, Barajas said.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 09:21 PM

Many of the industries in the Chatt. and Dalton Ga. have been hit hard, they know that the only way to stay off the Fed. radar is to do this.

Chatt. has just been chosen as a location for a new VW auto plant. They want to try and lure other auto makers there. The Feds have been after the carpet mills for years, this is nothing new for them.

The Feds now have the software and the personnel to check up on the employers more often then in the past. Many more ICE agents have been hired and assigned to the field then in the past. It's good to see that it's a start.

I am not a defeatest, i just know that your not going to completely stop 100% of the illegal aliens coming into this country or remove them all from this country. The same with the illegal drugs coming into this country or stopping the use of illegal drugs in this country. You can only do, what you can to control the situation.

If you feel that the goal should be 100% that's unrealistic, it'll never happen. The USBP or Customs or other Fed agency or local/state agency will tell you the same.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 09:31 PM

You're the one talkin' all the different statistics,...and probabilities / improbabilities.....and how one should "Feel",....or not.

I've got the EASY work here,....just a corespondent.

My duty is to get this material into the eyes and ears of as many folks as what can view and digest it,.....


....I would note that a LOT of the material appearing in this thread isn't exactly fawned and drooled over by MSM.

.....or far to many Newspapers.

so,....go figger.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 09:39 PM

I get this feeling, that you think that illegal alien and drug issues, can be stopped completely. Please, tell me you don't think this way. I have met some, who do feel this way.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 09:50 PM

This may seem to be off topic,...or circuitous,.....but I'm old enough to know that in WW2 we had " A devil that we knew" to deal with,.....and enlist to the cause of the day.

The Docks in Brooklyn didn't need people like Chertof,....or ICE, or HSA to guard them.

Luciano's folk's put concrete overshoes on more German Spies and Sabateurs than most would guess.....and they went into the East River,....quiet like.

I know this because,....well, let's just say because I KNOW THIS.



Hunter says "I get this feeling, that you think "....." Please, tell me you don't think this way."

...........not my job, or responsibilty to tell you how I think, or don't think,.....

We could damn sure use Lucky Luciano right about now,....

That's what I'm thinkin', right this moment.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 10:01 PM

It's not commonly known,...or talked about,....but when a lot of these "Bangers" get turfed off a bus in small villages,....thier
"Stature" is reduced,......if that's a polite enogh term for getting chopped up with machetes,.....certainly "Cuts in" to their schedule,.....another fact you won't catch from MSM.

Back country / rural Salvador is a bad place to be sporting tatoos that contain the letter 13,......a fatal cosmetic problem, or so one hears.

Bwa - Haa

Link: http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1200799.html

Feds join Valley gang sweep
By John Ellis - Fresno Bee
Published 12:00 am PDT Monday, September 1, 2008
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A3

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FRESNO – Central Valley gang enforcers are using a new weapon: deportation orders.

Officials say the tactic already is a success. Nearly three dozen gang members who were in the United States illegally have been sent back to their home countries since the program's first arrests in February.

Local authorities have welcomed help from federal immigration agents because they are equipped with a powerful weapon: the ability to deport gang members who are in the country illegally. Federal agents also can ensure that lawbreakers get federal prison time.

The idea started with federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in Fresno, who offered to help police. It was part of Operation Community Shield, a program the agency launched three years ago in major metropolitan areas to target violent transnational street gangs – specifically Mara Salvatrucha 13, or MS-13, formed in Los Angeles by immigrants from El Salvador.

ICE agents can take someone into custody for immigration violations, said Brian Poulsen, the resident agent in charge of Fresno's ICE office.

"Most of these gang members have come into the U.S. illegally," he said. "They have already violated federal law. We don't need a criminal charge."

In the past, Poulsen said, his office lacked the staff to help with gang raids. But as the agency focused more on homeland security, officials turned their attention to the street gangs that terrorize communities, he said.

Local agents have participated in gang enforcement operations in the towns of Sanger, Selma, Madera and Fresno, and in Tulare County.

It started in the Valley with the Feb. 13 arrest in Mendota of Brian Rivera, a member of MS-13. Federal agents tracked down Rivera based on information provided by a consortium of gang officers from local agencies. He has since been deported to his native El Salvador.

A week later, federal agents were in Selma, participating in a gang sweep with local police.

Now, six months later, both local and federal law enforcement officials say the strategy has been a success.

So far, 35 gang members in the country illegally have been deported from the Valley as part of the Operation Community Shield sweeps.

They have been sent to Mexico, Central America and Southeast Asian nations such as Laos. Oftentimes, federal authorities say, ICE has agents in these countries who keep an eye on the gang members after their return to their native land.

Law enforcement officials say they expect some deported gang members to return. Already, two gang members previously deported have returned and been rearrested.

But this time, they face a different outcome. Returning after being deported is a felony.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/01/08 10:36 PM

The mob may have been getting spies as you say, but they were filling their pockets through other illegal operations. The mob has been involved in illegal narcotics importation in this country as long or longer then the Mex's. The mob's no damn better then the street gangs in this country or in Mex.

You've been watching too many reruns or video tapes of the "GodFather" if you believe that stuff about the mob. There's no telling how much narcotics importation or other criminal activity to include murder for hire, was committed by the Gotti/Bambino crimefamily.

Putting the heat on the gangs is great, aslong as you have the manpower to do it. As was stated Homeland Security opened the money faucet, to allow for the hiring and training of additional personnel to do the job.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 07:57 AM

What level of crime is coming into the country illegally?
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 08:53 AM

 Originally Posted By: g5m
What level of crime is coming into the country illegally?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Narcotics for one. In which the importation is connected to organized crime. To include anything from street gangs to Italian and Russian mafia etc.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 11:21 AM

You know Hunter,....you're not "Reading" what folks are writing,....and a predisposition to "Spin" other folk's thoughts and words is not helping one bit.

g5m inquired as to the seriousness of entering US illegally, if I "Read" his words.

Seems like you're on your own unique wavelegnth sometime.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 11:37 AM

I read it as it is, he was inquiring as to what level of crime was coming into this country. It's a high level, with narcotics being at the top, due to being controlled by organized crime.


What would of been your response ???
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 11:56 AM

I'm not responding yet,....the man'll tell us what he was gettin' at soon enuf.

From lovely Richmond on the Bay we have something guaranteed to PO Gavin Noisome / Newsome and crew.

Oh, my derechos been stepped on.

Is it just me or are we seeing a "Ramp Up" in Local LE Departments making sensible moves?

Hard to read from this chair,.....as a point of focus , this whole Border deal will cross your eyes, and leave you itching.



Link: http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_10352124

Checkpoints evoke outcry from Richmond Latinos
By Karl Fischer
West County Times
Article Launched: 09/01/2008 06:36:10 AM PDT


Click photo to enlargeRichmond Police Department officer Joanna Grivetti, near, and other officers check driver's...«12»Aqui Derecha!

Juan Reardon, standing on the corner of 23rd Street and Barrett Avenue in Richmond on a hot Monday afternoon, strongly suggests you turn right. Particularly if you speak Spanish. Particularly if you lack a driver's license or drive an uninsured vehicle.

Just know that police wait ahead at a checkpoint to ask for that paperwork, and to tow cars.

"We have a law that mandates you to have a driver's license, but at the same time prohibits you from getting one," said Reardon, fronting a group of placard-waving locals. "And the Richmond police, by implementing these BS policies, are ... directly targeting the Latino population."

Every month, Reardon protests in front of a driver's license checkpoint somewhere in Richmond. More often these days he's not alone — and in an election year, the city's political establishment has taken notice.

Public attitude about the checkpoints may factor into several City Council campaigns as law enforcement and elected officials grapple with enforcing state traffic safety laws that an increasingly active voting constituency considers discriminatory.

With its burgeoning population of Latinos, including many immigrants, Richmond has grown highly sensitized to immigration policy and laws that penalize undocumented residents. While most of those laws originate in state or federal government, it falls to local government to enforce them.

Therein lies the pressure.

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target illegal driving that really does compromise the safety of everyone," Richmond police Chief Chris Magnus said. "We are trying to perform law enforcement and public safety activities as separately as we can from political influence."

That has grown increasingly difficult of late. Mayor Gayle McLaughlin last week sent an extensive information request to Magnus seeking data about citations and tows, as well as clues to the ethnicity of cited drivers.

"At this point, the mayor has no statement," said Marilyn Langlois, McLaughlin's aide. "We'll have a better sense ... after we review the information."

Reardon, not currently employed by the mayor, served as McLaughlin's campaign manager during the 2006 election. That connection fuels speculation about the mayor's interest, both within the Police Department and among City Council hopefuls.

Candidates Corky Booze and Chris Tallerico, both strong checkpoint proponents, turned out to watch last Monday as police funneled traffic through orange cones on 23rd, the main business arterial for the region's Latino community.

"Driving is not a right. It's a privilege," Tallerico said. "If this provides us with a safer city, more power to it. I don't understand why the mayor's campaign manager is shouting in the middle of the street."

Booze went further, challenging Vice Mayor John Marquez to a public debate about where his loyalties lie.

"I want to know why (Marquez) isn't down here right now, educating his people about the law," Booze said.

Marquez, one of the city's first Latino politicians and the council member most closely identified with the Latino business community, also is chairman of the council's public safety subcommittee. He joined in a unanimous vote in the winter to support checkpoints and also clamored for the California Highway Patrol to temporarily supplement the local police force.

The CHP officers mainly performed traffic enforcement, which wound up angering 23rd Street merchants, who said their aggressive work drove away customers. Marquez found himself asking police to ease off the effort he initially led.

"It is a dilemma, and until the (state) Legislature approves a bill that solves the problem, I don't know what the answer is," Marquez said.

Richmond police, like those in neighboring cities, regularly stop traffic at checkpoints along major arterials to ensure that all passing through carry licenses, insurance and registration. Culling unlicensed drivers and impounding their cars helps cut down on hit-and-run crashes, Sgt. Andre Hill said, a growing problem in the city.

Police attribute the rise in part to a rise in unlicensed drivers, who invariably face stiffer penalties than licensed drivers when caught at the scene of a crash.

Richmond police have held monthly checkpoints for about two years, each time visiting a different part of the city. Protesters, particularly those who direct traffic away from checkpoints, seriously sabotage them, Hill said.

"We might tow 25 cars at a typical checkpoint," said Hill, who supervises the department's traffic unit. "But lately, that number has been in the teens."

Activists consider that good news, as losing a car can cripple a family. State law requires police to impound the cars of unlicensed drivers for 30 days, Magnus said, though his department sometimes shortens that term or declines to tow altogether.

Passions run high when the fleet of tow trucks appears in a neighborhood. Police do not announce in advance where they plan to set up shop, mostly to curtail the placards. And in the spring, Magnus disciplined an officer who lost his temper and confiscated a sign while Reardon peacefully protested in front of a checkpoint.

"This is a policy that affects kids and mothers. It's a stupid policy," Reardon said as a worker from a nearby fast-food restaurant walked over and picked up a sign. "It's at odds with the reality."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 12:32 PM

This is such a good solid no nonsense source,.....interesting that MSM don't access it more frequently,....If EVER ?



link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/09/01...an-authorities/

Three Los Zeta suspects who took part in mass executions captured by Mexican authorities
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(Mexico City), El Informador (Guadalajara, Jalisco) 8/30/08

Saturday, 8/30/08
El Universal

A cell of Los Zetas, the ex-military narco hit men in southeast Mexico, was behind the horrendous decapitation murders of 12 men in the state of Yucatán, reported yesterday. Quick action by federal authorities in setting up “Operation Mérida” resulted in the capture of three of the presumed killers at a highway checkpoint following a brief gunfight. Inside their vehicle, Federal Police found weapons and, most incriminating, a bloody ax. The three arrested included the leader of the cell, a know “Zeta.”
The group known as Los Zetas was the armed branch of the Gulf Cartel and is made up of ex-military special forces deserters. This year they split from the Gulf Cartel to became an independent crime organization and now work in alliance with the Beltrán Leyva brothers’ cartel, distinguishing themselves by their high level of violence. Most of the victims of the Yucatán massacre have been identified as drug traffickers from the states of Yucatán, Campeche and Quintana Roo with criminal records from Yucatán and Veracruz. [Note: This would suggest a turf war, probably with the Gulf Cartel, the former associates of Los Zetas.]
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[In light of the escalating violence in Mexico's narco-war, readers might find the following, condensed from a column that appeared in El Universal 6/26/08, to be informative.]
The language of the narco
Juan Veledíaz
Before, the settling of accounts between gangs of narcotraffickers used to be by bullets; now, after groups of hired killers mixed in with ex-military, the criminals use psychology against their rivals.
Shared semiotics
In the strategy of generating terror in the opponent, there is a genuine method with which the narco organizations in Mexico have created their own semiotics, that kind of system of signs and codes to send messages that seek not only to intimidate, but to leave the imprint of the fury and violence of which they are capable. They have also copied methods of groups of other latitudes, explains Doctor of Sociology Luis Astorga, because there have also been decapitations in Colombia, but the quantity of deaths has been of such magnitude that that type of homicide no longer brings attention.
The Colombian narcos were precursors in methods copied to the counterinsurgency, in part due to the existence of guerrillas for more than four decades and to the continuing training in which the instructors have been members of the Armed Forces.
The fury that has been present in the violent deaths between nacotraffic bands in Mexico in recent years coincides with the presence of groups of military special forces recruited by the narcos, explains the author of Security, Traffickers and Military (Seguridad, traficantes y militares), a book published last year that covers the complex map of what has been the anti-drug policy of the government in recent years.
“Here in Mexico this was not the norm,” Astorga explains. “In fact, there had been no record of this type of thing. This coincides — so far as we know of the type of assassination designated as ‘executions’ by the press, but in reality are homicides and the rage with which they are done — coincides with the presence of ex-military, but not in an isolated way; for example there have been military men for a long time, like chiefs of security or hit-men, but not as a compact group.”
There had not been any compact group close to the main decision circle of an organization; Osiel Cárdinas introduced this characteristic with the Gafes (Airborne Special Forces) by creating the so called Zetas. For the first time, an organization of narcotraffickers included an elite group of the Armed Forces trained in counterinsurgence and anti-drug warfare.
The type of training that is given these forces is in two fields. For example, in Vietnam or Central America the strategy was to create terror, that is, a part was the struggle, the conventional war, and the other, the psychological. “Part of the psychological war is that of messages, usually intimidating and associated with techniques of mutilation of the enemy, that is part of the message. It’s not the same to kill someone with one shot, as to kill them with one shot, quarter them in pieces and leave a message,” Astorga pointed out.
In a review of news reports of violent killings between narco bands, the rage with which the Arellano Félix organization carried out some of their actions placed terror as the main player in the decade of the 90s, as they were the first to dissolve their victims in acid or torture rivals and toss them into ravines. The clan of Sinaloans located on the border of Baja California copied some of the methods of their countrymen in Ciudad Juárez, who introduced this method of dissolving bodies in drums like stew, a method used in other times by the Italian Mafia.
Amputating members, writing on the body or leaving written messages was a practice that began to be used by Los Zetas, the paramilitary band at the service of the organization that Osiel Cárdenas Guillén headed in Tamaulipas some years ago. With that tactic what they seek is to use the minimum direct confrontation, says Astorga. They are counting on the psychological war to paralyze the enemy with fear, and for the terror to expand to their immediate circle. Today, a video on You Tube follows the decapitations with a message and, as happened a year ago in the dispute between the organizations of El Chapo and Cárdenas Guillén, a justification was left in a folk song where those who compose and interpret the songs pay with their lives on occasion.
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Prensa Libre (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 8/30/08

An article titled “Migrants involve themselves in U.S. elections” had the following highlighted side feature, headed “What they expect” ( under which the following were listed ):

Hispanics demand that a migratory law be approved and that the undocumented (read: illegal aliens) be legalized.
* Integral migratory reform which includes the legalization for Latinos who live in the U.S. without documents;
* Assistance programs for the development of Latin American countries with the object of reducing poverty and offering more opportunities so that its population does not emigrate;
* Migrant leaders should be taken into account and links should be established between (migrants’) communities and governmental institutions;
* More support for migrant communities to facilitate access to college studies because many U.S. citizens who are the children of Hispanics have difficulties in being able to access higher education;
* Ending massive round-ups against migrants, especially in work places;
* Detained migrants to be treated in a more dignified manner and with respect for human rights.
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Sunday 8/31/08


Virtually all the major Mexican newspapers throughout the country carried stories of the “Let’s illuminate Mexico” march that took place Saturday evening. Under slogans of “Enough!” and “Nevermore,” the anticipated countrywide silent march for security against crime captured headlines of the major newspapers as well as the attention of public officials. In the nationa’s capital, the silence was often broken with repeated shouts of “Me-xi-coo, Me-xi-cooo,” llike a war chant by the “powerful tsunami” marching in the streets toward the Zócalo, the federal public square. [photo relates]


Out in the states, the scene were similar. In Hidalgo, the people’s announcement was made, “We have organized crime and disorganized police. That is why insecurity has increased.” They also had a message for the Governor: “If you can’t do it, leave.” In every state, thousands turned out in protest even in rain and cold.


Leaders of the march in Mexico City met with officials of the capital and reached an accord to have total access to programs of evaluation of the Capital Police within 30 days.



Monday 9/1/08
El Financiero (Mexico City) 9/1/08


The Bank of Mexico reported that remittances from Mexicans living outside the country dropped 6.93 percent in July compared to the same period last year. The amount this July was $2,015,400,000 US.
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El Colombiano (Medellín, Colombia) 9/1/08


Four people were killed and 26 injured this morning in an explosion of a car bomb near the Justice Department offices in Cali. The first floor of the building was damaged in the powerful explosion. Preliminary investigations indicate there are “clear indications it was FARC.” [The Colombian communist revolutionary terrorist organization.]
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Cuarto Poder (Chiapas) 9/1/08


The Chief of Municipal Police of Comitán, Chiapas was arrested today by state authorities for presumed links to organized crime. Last weekend, a confidant of the Mayor was arrested and then fingered the Chief.
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Diario de Yucatán (Yucatán) and Novedades de Quintana Roo (Q. Roo) 9/1/08


The three arrested in the decapitation murders August 28 say that the heads of their 12 victims were incinerated on a farm on the outskirts of Cancún. Authorities are investigating. The Mexico City newspaper, La Prensa published an apparent Youtube photo of three of the heads said to have been taken by the killers. The article and photo was titled “Horrifying!” by the paper and it is.
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-end of report-
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 03:34 PM

Sorry if I wasn't clear. What crime is it to come into this country illegally? Is it a felony? Something else?
If it basically is not a crime to come into the country illegally making it a serious crime to do so might have some impact on the numbers of people coming in.
Maybe.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 04:38 PM

My understanding of the immigration laws, is that it's a misdemeanor to enter into this country undocumented.

It's a felony to reenter, into this country after being deported.

If the penalty was increased making it a felony, to enter into the country in the first place, may or may not make a difference.


Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 04:41 PM

Then maybe changing that would make a difference.

But, then likely the Mexican Gov't would make some minor transgression of their laws a felony with serious penalties, etc., etc., etc.............
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 04:58 PM

That could very well be true, Mex. may come out with tit for tat, involving penalties if we increase ours. That's a state Dept. issue to work through. Mex. has been receiving US aid over the years and probably still is, that's a good leverage to start with.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/02/08 10:17 PM

Yep, the Mexican army vehicles that regularly come into AZ are nice US built Hummers. A gift from Uncle to the folks across the border to make them more modern.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 06:30 AM

As i mentioned once before regarding the Mexicans and US equipment. Back in the late 80's, early 90's, they were given rebuilt Huey's from Govt. surplus out of the US Army aviation repair facility at Corpus Christi, TX. The helicopters were in excellent condition and came with a sprayer package that was going to be used to spray marijuana with herbicide.

Mexico took possession of the helicopters and gave them to the Mex. states that the marijuana was being grown. A little over a year later, Mexico had to get some more from the US. The Mex. states had sold the helicopters on the free market, out of country.

For many years the US Army also ran a flight school program at Ft. Rucker, Al. for Central and South American Mil. pilots, to include Mex. on how to fly our helicopters.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 08:27 AM

Good News,....Az. needs this fellow,....

He TROUNCED his opponent............

" Republican Party Activists",.......Kudos


Pearce Wins Arizona Primary
Anti-Illegal Immigration Crusader "Likely" Headed for State Senate

Arizona Republic-- September 3
Russell Pearce

Russell Pearce wins in District 18 primary
Rep. Russell Pearce, an Arizona lawmaker who has gained national attention for crusading against illegal immigration, easily captured a Republican Senate nomination that likely will allow him to stay in the Legislature.
Pearce defeated immigration attorney Kevin Gibbons, 5,717 votes, or 68.8 percent, to 2,587 votes, or 31.2 percent, with all 51 precincts reporting in results Tuesday from the Republican primary for the Senate seat from Legislative District 18 in Mesa, a Phoenix suburb. [...]
Pearce drew opposition from business interests for his stance on the immigration issue as farmers and others poured money into the race. In turn, Republican Party activists rallied behind him...
"These are folks who put profit over patriotism," Pearce said of independent expenditure groups which attacked him. "They went after me because I think we ought to obey the law, and it was shameful."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 08:34 AM

" "Moving around has become very difficult for undocumented workers," ..............."

Well, that's nice to know,......

this article is written with a fairly ( hell, screaming) liberal bias,.......interesting nonetheless.

Link: http://cbs11tv.com/local/illegal.immigrants.Hurricane.2.808580.html

Illegal Immigrants Opted To Stay During Gustav
NEW ORLEANS (AP) ― Many of the illegal immigrants who have been rebuilding New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina stayed behind when Gustav struck because they were afraid of being arrested if they boarded the buses and trains arranged by emergency officials.

"We know that people died during Katrina, but we had no choice but to stay here," said Carlos Mendoza, a 21-year-old illegal immigrant from Honduras who rode out the storm with seven other people. They took shelter in an apartment that is close to a street corner where day laborers congregate.

"Many stayed because of fear," Mendoza said. "I would say at least 50 percent of us."

Authorities offered to evacuate residents on buses and trains -- and promised not to ferret out illegal immigrants. But fear of being arrested or deported kept Mendoza and every other undocumented person he knows from accepting the free ride.

Immigrant-rights groups estimate the city is home to as many as 30,000 illegal immigrants. No one knows how many stayed behind.

New Orleans' Hispanic population is tiny compared to other major American cities. But it was practically nonexistent until Katrina destroyed large swaths of the city. The reconstruction boom attracted thousands of illegal immigrants, mostly men from Mexico and Central America who worked as day laborers.

The jobs aren't quite as plentiful as they were immediately after Katrina. And even when work was easy to find, the pay wasn't always enough for immigrants to afford cars and the money needed to flee from a storm on their own.

On top of that, the government's crackdown on illegal immigrants has made day laborers nervous to travel.

"Moving around has become very difficult for undocumented workers," said Pablo Alvarado, director of the National Day Labor Organizing Network.

The city did take some steps to make it easier: evacuation news releases were distributed in Spanish, and the city's 311 number had Spanish-speaking operators.

"Every action that we took in English, we tried to do in Spanish as well," city spokesman James Ross said.

But the message did not get through to wary Hispanic communities that have experienced increased immigration raids in recent years, said Jacinta Gonzalez, a day labor organizer with the New Orleans Workers Center for Racial Justice.

Adding to the difficulties, Gonzalez said, were problems with the 311 service. Several day laborers complained of being on hold for more than 30 minutes before getting connected with a Spanish-speaking operator.

And when illegal immigrants realized they would be asked to register to be evacuated, the situation became even more untenable, she said. Part of the evacuation plan included giving evacuees wristbands with identifying information that could be entered into a computer database to track where people were.

"The government didn't give people assurances that they would be returned to New Orleans" and not deported, Gonzalez said. "Just sending out press releases the day before the evacuation isn't going to work."

In the Central City neighborhood, home to many Hispanics, some who stayed could be seen peeking out their windows as police patrols passed by to enforce a curfew. Several declined interviews or would not open the door.

"I told them all to leave," said Raymond Francois, resident who returned to his home Tuesday and was knocking on doors of Hispanic neighbors who stayed. "But they told me they couldn't. They were worried about not having papers."

Santiago Gradiz, a 61-year-old illegal immigrant from Honduras, got a ride to Houston with a handful of other people in the same situation. They left Saturday, he said, to try to avoid any checkpoints.

He and 10 others are staying in a one-room apartment, and they don't plan to return to New Orleans until cleanup efforts are complete and extra police and soldiers are no longer on the streets. Besides the danger of the storm, Gradiz said, he was afraid that staying could also get him deported because he would be more noticeable to police.

"Luckily I had some money from working the day before moving furniture," and could help pay the costs of the trip, he said.

Jose Gordillo, 50, never even considered trying to leave. The Mexico native and his two adult sons, all three illegal immigrants, instead stayed in their rented house.

"It's been a few weeks since we got work, so we didn't have the money to leave," Gordillo said. "I felt a little panicked during the storm, but with God's help we made it."
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 08:52 AM

Did Cloud win the election for Cochise Co. Sheriff ???
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 09:14 AM

Nope,......we were not all that optimistic, ....for the last week,.....the rural precincts went very strong for Cloud,....but the heavily concentrated voting block in the City of Sierra Vista ( same ones with all the Obama stickers on their cars ) went for Dever...............



Dever tops Cloud in GOP race
By Jonathon Shacat
Herald/Review

Published on Wednesday, September 03, 2008

BISBEE — Incumbent Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever beat his Republican challenger Bill Cloud by a margin of about 70 percent to about 30 percent in the Republican primary on Tuesday.

According to unofficial results, Dever received 5,102 votes, compared with 2,247 for Cloud.
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“I want to thank my supporters,” Dever said. “A re-election is a heartening experience as well as a humbling experience. It helps you re-establish and reconfirm who you are and what you are about so you can march ahead.”

“You have to give credit to Bill Cloud. He put a lot of effort and a lot of money into this and he did his very best. He just came up short,” he added. “I think there is a reason for that, and it is people still have confidence in our administration and what we are doing.”

Cloud, 39, said he was disappointed with the voter turnout and the outcome.

“I am very proud of my supporters. They put up a good effort. For our first time campaigning, we did a pretty good job,” Cloud said, adding, “I’ll be back in four years.”

Now that Dever, 56, has won the Republican nomination, he will focus his efforts on winning in the general election in November.

Norman Bradley, 65, the lone Democratic candidate, received 4,669 votes, or more than 95 percent. He has stayed in the background during the campaign so far. But he will become more active now the primary is over.

“Clearly this is a stepping stone,” Dever said. “We have a ways to go. Norm ran against me before and I was able to defeat that challenge. I anticipate being able to do that again with the help of the public.”

Dever is serving in his third term as sheriff. He previously was a deputy sheriff for 20 years. Cloud has worked in law enforcement since 1991. He was a state police detective from 1999 until this year.

Cloud resigned in order to run for sheriff, citing state and federal laws that required him to do so.

During the campaign, Dever said he was the better candidate for sheriff because he has more years of experience. Cloud acknowledged Dever’s statement, but said he has not done anything new or different for the department.

Illegal immigration and drug abuse were some of the main issues in the campaign, and those topics came up during a candidate forum in July.

Dever said deputies currently work in cooperation with federal officials to deal with illegal immigrants. Cloud said the Sheriff’s Office needs a better partnership with Border Patrol. Dever said officials will continue to combat drug problems. Cloud said more needs to be done to address methamphetamine and other drug abuse.

The candidates disagreed on the need for a “tent-city” facility at the jail. Cloud said tents would be a short-term solution to deal with overcrowding. Dever, on the other hand, said tents would cost more in the long run, and he would rather build a permanent pod.

On Tuesday, Cloud said: “I have not changed my position on the issues on immigration enforcement and on cost reduction. It is doable. It is just a matter of having the will to do it, which Mr. Dever does not.”

The campaign received new attention last week, when Cloud requested an investigation of five possible prohibited campaign actions of Dever’s re-election campaign.

Dever criticized Cloud for raising the concerns at the last moment in an effort to sway the outcome of the primary election. The County Attorney’s Office reviewed the allegations and decided not to take any further action on them.

“There are still some pending investigations into that,” Cloud said Tuesday. “I will reveal more of that later.”

HERALD/REVIEW reporter Jonathon Shacat can be reached at 515-4693 or by e-mail at jonathon.shacat@bisbeereview.net.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 09:22 AM

That's too bad for Cloud, but he'll try again. It's hard to run those incumbents out, if they've been there awhile. Local elections are hard to get folks out and vote. If Cochise Co. is like most counties, a large portion of the county general budget goes to the Sheriff's Office, but folks won't get out and vote.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 10:32 AM

Sorry your man didn't make it.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 11:47 AM

The rather dismissive and cavalier way the Hatch Act violations were dealt with may be coming back to haunt this primary,......

.....the "County Attorney" has been the subject of a recent re-call himself,.....he's "Catch and release , to the bone.

There's some other stuff goin' on that I'm not "In the Loop" about ( don' want to be, either )

An AWFUL lot of higher ranking / senior folks in that dept have bailed, ...in the last 4-5 weeks......that's odd,....no

All in all, and however it plays,......Bill Cloud's efforts will resonate, wew have NEVER had this much Sunlight and fresh air shine on / blow through that office,....and subsequent improvements, in the overall sense, are sure to ensue.

Remarkably, the voting block that went for Dever lives in Sierra Vista,.....under the protection and sService of it's own EXCELLENT PD.

There are 700 registered voters in my precinct,.....we're lucky to see 100 turn out and vote.

Sad, that.

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 12:20 PM

Hatch Act violations are always an issue in incumbant politics, especially sheriff's races.. I've seen S.O employees put up yard signs and hand out handbills in uniform and on duty.

The best one i've ever seen was taking trustee's, out of the jail, to put up campaign signs. The ones that were used couldn't vote anyway, due to prior felony convictions, and they darn sure wouldn't refuse to cooperate, cause they'ld be taken off trustee status, and put in general population at the jail.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 09:50 PM

So,....Hatch act's a paper tiger ?

...take it off the books.

Any other laws,....similar,....loose 'em.

This is a nice encouraging story,.....poor downtroddens scratching, again.

..........and than, there's the "FEAR"

I hope that word sees just a bit more use, and emphasis,.....because it's about to lose credibility,.....

I'm not trying to be obtuse, either

you figger on that,....needing a hand,

I'd be glad to explain


Link: http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/sep/03/jail_check_finds_illegal_immigrants52858/

Jail check finds 170 illegal immigrants
Associated Press
Wednesday, September 3, 2008



HILTON HEAD ISLAND — A crackdown has identified 170 illegal immigrants in Beaufort County's jail, and the sheriff said he has heard the extra scrutiny is causing a number of people in the U.S. illegally to leave the area.

The county is two months into a three-month crackdown on illegal immigrants. Agents from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement are at the jail, helping to weed out any inmates who should not be in the U.S.

Sheriff P.J. Tanner told The Island Packet of Hilton Head that the next step will be investigating companies suspected of hiring illegal immigrants.

Officials auditing county business licenses are expected to hand over the names of several companies suspected of hiring undocumented workers this week, and deputies will look into both supervisors and workers, Tanner said.

"We have heard through different sources in the county that there is a percentage of foreign-born illegals who have been voluntarily leaving the county, particularly those with children," Tanner said. "They don't want to be picked up for a traffic offense and then get tied up in deportation."

Community leader Juan Campos said the crackdown is causing fear. Business at his Mi Tierra restaurants has fallen 60 percent as his customers leave town, said Campos, who served as president of the Latin American Council of South Carolina before the group changed its name and focus.

The crackdown also is creating fears that deputies are stopping suspected illegal immigrants for minor violations like having a car light out just to check if they are in the country legally, Campos said.







Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 10:27 PM

Hatch Act, will work if you have the evidence, film etc. The good thing about it, is that being Fed. at least it won't be heard in the same county, as the good'ol boys live.


That's an interesting story about illegals leaving, such places as Hilton Head SC. I don't know if your familiar with the area, but it's big money, with resorts, condo's etc. Alot of Mex. jobs in motels, restaurants, landscaping, housekeeping etc. I wonder if the illegals are leaving for Mex. or just somewhere, where the heat isn't on them???
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/03/08 10:34 PM

More tunnels,.....

Good Lord,

Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/09/02...l-police-force/

Mexican President Calderón stresses the need for a national police force
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El Universal (Mexico City) 9/2/08

- President Felipe Calderón is said to be convinced that Mexico needs a national police force, but recognizes that first it must be trustworthy and efficient. He is convinced of the need but also aware of the complex and controversial problems presented by the country’s federal structure in forming such an agency. It would require a radical constitutional change. ”First I need to build my own, that is to say the first step of this project is that the Federal Police perform better and that I have a police force that is reliable, without which I cannot propose to the people a national police agency,” he said. [Ed. note: Mexico's numerous police agencies operate as independent entities often at odds with one another and lacking any national cohesiveness, cooperation or common mission.]
- In an armed confrontation with the notorious La Familia band of kidnappers associated with the Sinaloa Cartel, Federal Police in Villa Nicolás Romero in the state of México arrested “at least 20″ of the group and killed two others. Two agents were wounded and another killed. The kidnap victims, a mother and son, were freed. Police also seized four of the gang’s “safe-houses” in the area. Photo relates.



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El Financiero (Mexico City) 9/2/08
A group of 44 undocumented Salvadorans and Guatemalans were detained in the state of Chiapas traveling in two trucks hidden among cow hides. They were discovered by Mexican Immigration (INM) in “deplorable condition” under piles of smelly hides and suffering dehydration. From January through June this year, the Mexican authorities have repatriated 19,147 Guatemalans and 12,950 Salvadorans. The total for all Central Americans sent back during the period is 43,975.
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El Imparcial (Hermosillo, Sonora) 9/2/08
Six police officers were arrested relative to the death of a US citizen in the tourist town of San José del Cabo, Baja California Sur. The victim, a male age 38, whose name has not been released, was from Oregon and had been involved in a fight at an apartment complex. Forensic evidence indicates he may have died from injuries incurred at the time of arrest. The police officers have given contradictory accounts of the arrest and incarceration.
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El Informador (Guadalajara, Jalisco) and Excelsior (Mexico City) 9/2/08
An unfinished narco-tunnel was discovered today in Mexicali, Baja California. The tunnel, 6 meters under the surface, measures 120 meters in length and is 1.5 meters wide. The construction was interrupted 60 meters from entering the US. The tunnel has lighting, ventilation, air conditioning and an elevator, according to the state police. Eight people have been arrested and admit working on the project for the purpose of smuggling drugs. Photos relate.



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Entorno s Tamaulipas (Tamaulipas) 9/2/08
- In two operations, one in Reynosa and the other in Miguel Alemán, the Mexican Army seized nearly a ton of marijuana and arrested five people. They also seized four AR-15 rifles and other firearms.
- The left leaning PRD party of Andrés Manuel López Obrador, who came within a fraction of a percentage point of winning the last presidential election, is said to be entering a “critical phase of possible rupture” from internal differences as intermediate elections approach in 2009.
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-end of report-
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/04/08 09:01 AM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
Hatch Act, will work if you have the evidence, film etc. The good thing about it, is that being Fed. at least it won't be heard in the same county, as the good'ol boys live.


That's an interesting story about illegals leaving, such places as Hilton Head SC. I don't know if your familiar with the area, but it's big money, with resorts, condo's etc. Alot of Mex. jobs in motels, restaurants, landscaping, housekeeping etc. I wonder if the illegals are leaving for Mex. or just somewhere, where the heat isn't on them???



I don't know where people are going but we seem to have fewer obvious illegals around where I am.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/04/08 02:08 PM

"El Padrino",......yup, revered and respected by a surprisingly large percentage of the populace.

One has but to listen to / translate some of the "Narco Corrida" written over the last decade to ascertain that.............Oh, there ARE American "Hispanic" stations broadcasting it here, too.

Link: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/51527.html

Mexican drug traffickers wage PR war over image
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Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo, once known as the "godfather" of the Mexican cocaine trade, shown in 1982. | View larger image
By Marisa Taylor | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — In Mexico, Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo is feared and reviled as the godfather of Mexico's cocaine trade. On his Web site, however, he's portrayed as a family man and a savvy business tycoon.

Yes, the drug kingpin known as "El Padrino" has his own Web site. He launched the site in June with the help of his family, even though he doesn't have Internet access from his cell in one of Mexico's highest-security prisons.

Mexican law-enforcement officials said that such a PR effort by one of the nation's most infamous traffickers wasn't surprising anymore. Lately, traffickers are turning to propaganda in inventive and often menacing ways, officials said. Although Mexico's drug cartels have long operated in the shadows, some traffickers or their associates now publicly advertise jobs, sponsor folksongs to sing their own praises and post videos or music online as tributes to leaders or to threaten enemies.

The reason for the sudden outspokenness by the usually secretive figures is unclear. Law enforcement officials think that traffickers are lashing out at the government because a crackdown by President Felipe Calderon's administration is pressuring drug cartels as never before. Others think the phenomenon shows that the traffickers see the government as weak enough to challenge directly.

Mexican officials said that so-called "narco-billboards" had appeared in the territory that the paramilitary drug gang, the Zetas, controlled as a way to attack rivals and the government. After a mass shooting of 13 people last month, several billboards threatened residents in the northern state of Chihuahua with more violence. Other signs appeared elsewhere in the country, accusing Calderon's administration of colluding with drug traffickers.

Jose Manuel Suarez, legal attache in Washington for the Mexican attorney general, denies the allegations.

"The government's actions do not favor or give priority to one cartel over another," he said. "The narco-billboards are acts of propaganda that attempt to maintain the traffickers' power to intimidate the population."

Others, however, say the phenomenon shows that Mexico's political institutions have weakened since one-party rule collapsed in 2000, provoking drug traffickers to become more brazen.

"The traffickers were controlled and protected under an authoritarian system that has disappeared," said Luis Alejandro Astorga Almanza, a sociologist who studies the drug trade with the National Autonomous University of Mexico. "They're taking advantage of the institutional weaknesses to attack representatives of the government and try to gain power."

A son of Felix Gallardo who responded to questions by e-mail and by phone said his father had less ambitious intentions: He wanted medical attention for a chronic ear infection and an eye injury that's causing him to go blind. Felix Gallardo joins another drug kingpin, Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo, 77, in pushing for better medical treatment in the prison. In a news conference in Mexico last April, Fonseca Carrillo's relatives said they thought that he had cancer and could die if he wasn't transferred to a hospital.

Felix Gallardo has served 19 years out of a 40-year sentence for operating one of Mexico's most violent drug organizations in the 1980s. In 1992, he was transferred to Altiplano, a high-security prison west of Mexico City, because authorities said he was continuing to arrange drug deals by cell phone and fax. Recently, Mexican prison officials said the 62-year-old had tested positive for cocaine use, a charge that his attorney Ricardo Jimenez calls "ridiculous" considering his age and his current residence.

Mexican officials dismiss his medical complaints as exaggerated and say he has received adequate treatment. The security of Mexican prisons, notoriously lax, has tightened in the last several years, making inmates more likely to complain, officials said.

Felix Gallardo's son, Josue, who speaks conversational English that he described as "rusty," has been especially vocal. On an online forum set up by Mexico's version of the White House, the younger Felix Gallardo debated a prison hunger strike. When he noticed Tijuana border blogger Anna Cearley wondering online about his father's site, he responded to her by posting a comment.

He registered http://www.miguelfelixgallardo.com with a U.S. company to protect the domain name and posted photos from his father's heyday as the leader of the Guadalajara drug cartel. He said the family became nervous about attracting too much attention recently and took down some of the photos, including those of sprawling ranches that his father once owned. The family's letters to Mexico's president about his ailments remain.

"We don't want his liberty," said Josue Felix Gallardo, a 29-year-old who said he had university degrees in computer science and communications. "We only want his health."

His father's complaints have garnered little sympathy in Mexico, where Felix Gallardo was dubbed "the boss of the bosses" after becoming one of the first traffickers to cut a deal with Colombian cartels, ensuring a steady supply of cocaine to the United States. He established ties with prominent Mexican politicians even as he was linked to some of the most heinous drug slayings in the 1980s, including the kidnapping, torture and murder of Drug Enforcement Administration agent Enrique Camarena.

So far, his Web site has drawn more than 5,800 readers, including about 45 who posted questions about the trafficker. Josue Felix Gallardo said his father had personally responded to about half of them by relaying the answers to relatives.

Josue, who was 10 when his father was sent to prison, said his father never involved his children in his affairs. But he added, "We are aware that he may have done bad things. Bad things are bad things. We don't approve of that. But only he knows what he did."

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Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 07:18 AM

This is the first time I've heard this encouraging evolution called a "Surge"

Whatever we choose to call it, I hope it's not a flash in the pan.

Link: http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8765

More Than 900 Criminal Aliens, Immigration Fugitives Removed from the US
Jim Kouri
September 4, 2008


More than 900 criminal aliens, immigration fugitives, and immigration violators have been removed from the United States or are facing deportation today following a three-week enforcement surge by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Fugitive Operations Teams in California.
During the special operation, which concluded late yesterday, ICE officers located and arrested a total of 905 immigration violators throughout the state, including 137 here in the San Diego area. Of those arrested locally, 73 were immigration fugitives, aliens who have ignored final orders of deportation or who returned to the United States illegally after being removed. More than 40 percent of the aliens taken into custody in this area had criminal histories in addition to being in the country illegally.

Among those arrested by the Fugitive Operations Teams locally was a 30-year-old Mexican national who was convicted in 1997 for robbery and sentenced to four years in state prison. Last year, Cesar Hernandez-Gallardo lost his appeal to remain in the United States and failed to depart after being ordered deported by an immigration judge. ICE officers also arrested a 37-year-old Mexican national at his residence in Escondido, whose criminal record includes a prior conviction for burglary. He was ordered deported last June and lost his appeal to remain in the United States last month. The other criminal arrests included violent crimes for assault with a deadly weapon, carjacking, domestic violence and sexual assault.

In addition to the local Fugitive Operations Teams, ICE officers from the agency's teams in Los Angeles and San Francisco were temporarily deployed to the area to assist with this enforcement action.

ICE's Fugitive Operations Teams are tasked with identifying and arresting foreign nationals who have ignored final orders of deportation or have returned to the United States illegally after being removed. The teams prioritize cases involving immigration violators who pose a threat to national security and community safety. These include child sexual exploiters, suspected gang members, and those who have convictions for violent crimes.

"ICE is committed to restoring integrity to this country's immigration system and that means ensuring that the removal orders handed down by the nation's immigration courts are carried out," said Robin Baker, field officer director for ICE detention and removal operations in San Diego. "As a country, we welcome law-abiding immigrants, but foreign nationals who violate our laws and commit crimes in our communities should be on notice that ICE is going to use all of the tools at its disposal to find you and send you home."

Since many of these individuals have already been ordered deported, they are subject to immediate removal from the United States. More than half of those arrested during the statewide operation have already been removed to their home countries. The remaining aliens are in ICE custody and are awaiting a hearing before an immigration judge, or pending travel arrangements for removal in the near future.

The Fugitive Operations Program was established in 2003 to eliminate the nation's backlog of immigration fugitives. Today, ICE has 75 teams deployed across the country, including 13 in California.

Last year, the nation's fugitive alien population declined for the first time in history and continues to do so - in large part due to the work of the Fugitive Operations Teams. Estimates now place the number of immigration fugitives in the United States at slightly under 573,000, a decrease of more than 59,000 since October 2006. Given the success of the fugitive operations effort, Congress has authorized ICE to add 29 more Fugitive Operations Teams in fiscal year 2008.

ICE's Fugitive Operations Program is an integral part of the comprehensive multi-year plan launched by the Department of Homeland Security to secure America's borders and reduce illegal migration. That strategy seeks to gain operational control of both the northern and southern borders, while re-engineering the detention and removal system to ensure that illegal aliens are removed from the country quickly and efficiently.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 07:43 AM

Hopefully they can be kept from returning.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 07:58 AM

Back To Basics?
McCain Invokes (Teddy) Roosevelt and Reagan

John McCain Acceptance Speech -- September 4

"...We're going to recover the people's trust by standing up again for the values Americans admire. The party of Lincoln, Roosevelt and Reagan is going to get back to basics.
"We believe everyone has something to contribute and deserves the opportunity to reach their God-given potential from the boy whose descendants arrived on the Mayflower to the Latina daughter of migrant workers. We're all God's children and we're all Americans."
What they said....
Teddy Roosevelt: "There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation of all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."
Ronald Reagan – Via Bill Bennett: "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation"
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 07:58 AM

It was a good speech.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:12 AM

 Originally Posted By: g5m
Hopefully they can be kept from returning.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Not to sound negative, but they got in once and can get in again, that's the opinion that many of these illegals have. After having spoken to illegals, reentry back in the US isn't that difficult for them. The illegal alien interdiction that ICE is doing is great, but they're catching the easy fish first.

They get more bang for their buck in urban areas, then they do in more suburban and rural areas. They have to use the local LE more in places that they have no knowledge of the area, or the situation regarding the illegals. Maybe USBP can keep them from returning.

Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:23 AM

I know. Likely just wishful thinking.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:31 AM

At least they're easier to track and ID, if they do reenter. They'll be such things as pictures and real ID as to that person, that can be accessed through immigration/USBP.

These rascals are very good at using false names and documents. Alot of times it's difficult to really know who you have in custody. It's gotten better over the years with the technology, especially if the subject has been arrested, and has prints and photo on file somewhere.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 09:07 AM

Their use of the welfare system has been very expensive for the taxpayers.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:14 PM

Jeez,....hopin' this wasn't in the middle of Hunter's turf

Hunter,...you WOULD give us a complete head's up if it were,

...just kidding,....almost................ball's in YOUR court, Hunter1960.

Curious , over here where the West is still wild,

WTF's up in Tenn.?

Link: http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Detail.php?Cat=LOCALNEWS&ID=64731

Pair headed for deportation set free on interstate



G. Rodriguez


By Jim Wozniak
Erwin Bureau Chief
jwozniak@johnsoncitypress.com

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ERWIN — Two Hispanic men on their way to Knoxville as part of the deportation process were released Tuesday before they arrived, Unicoi County authorities said Thursday.
County Jailer Rita Williams said superiors of two Immigration and Customs Enforcement employees ordered Gregorio Estala Rodriguez and Primitivo Estala Rodriguez to be let go because the New Orleans office, where the men eventually were headed, had been closed temporarily due to Hurricane Gustav.

“It’s frustrating for us to know that we got illegal aliens that are breaking the law,” Sheriff Kent Harris said Thursday. “That’s a group we don’t want to have here.

“I felt like when they left the jail here that there would be at least some justice because they were going to be deported back to their country. There’s a legal way to get here. That’s what they need to do is come legally.”

Efforts to contact someone from ICE for comment were unsuccessful. Harris said he did not blame the local agents for what transpired.

Gregorio Rodriguez, 32, who was living in Erwin, pleaded guilty Aug. 28 in Unicoi County Sessions Court to possession of schedule II drugs, possession of a weapon and violation of the open container law. A charge of not having a driver’s license was dismissed.

Primitivo Rodriguez, 21, who also was living here, pleaded guilty to having no insurance and no license. A charge of possession of schedule II drugs for resale was dismissed.

The men were released on their county charges on time served, but Harris said they were held until Tuesday, when ICE representatives came to get them.

Williams said the men and the ICE agents were on Interstate 81 heading to Knoxville when they called the jail.

“They called back and said that their boss said to turn them loose because where they’re having the hurricanes in Louisiana; that is their last stopping place before they deport them,” she said. “They said because of the hurricanes and stuff to let them go because they had no place to put them at Louisiana.”

She said the agents released the two men on the interstate.

According to Williams, this is the first time a situation like this has occurred in the eight years she has worked for the county jail.

She said ICE agents called the jail to explain the situation in case anyone saw the men and wondered why they had not been deported.

Harris said Gregorio Rodriguez was drinking a beer on Aug. 16 while driving on Railroad Street. Authorities asked him about a wanted man possibly being at his residence, and Rodriguez would not let them search it, the sheriff said. Rodriguez said he had a gun in his mobile home.

Using a search warrant, authorities found a switchblade knife, a 6-inch knife, a clip to a gun, ammunition and three small baggies of cocaine, Harris said.

Primitivo Rodriguez drove up to the residence and was unable to show proof of insurance, K-9 Deputy Shane Hawkins said. Hawkins said the man told him that he did not have a license.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:18 PM

Attendant to the above,......apparently guns and drugs are not acceptable,.......

"A charge of not having a driver’s license was dismissed."

...what do we have here,....some deluded sick old "Judge",....or embedded corruption?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:26 PM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
At least they're easier to track and ID, if they do reenter. They'll be such things as pictures and real ID as to that person, that can be accessed through immigration/USBP.

These rascals are very good at using false names and documents. Alot of times it's difficult to really know who you have in custody. It's gotten better over the years with the technology, especially if the subject has been arrested, and has prints and photo on file somewhere.



So,...."These rascals"...........maybe shooting AT them.

Not "Shooting them".....shooting AT them, is the next step.

..........less'n we get a new "Tazer Defence" ( Defense mis-spelled intentionally)

.........there's no "Compronmise" on this issue,....right now, ....most intelligent folk I know see at as win,....or LOSE.

Most can agree that the filthy criminal elemant would do well to keep out.

......or am I just bein' "romantic"....?

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:33 PM

The area that this occured is over in far Eastern TN. just South of Johnson City, near the TN/NC border. It's the Fed's call on this, they were released by a Fed. agency.

If i was one of the agents and could of got authorization for payment number, i'ld of taken them to a local county jail and left them. I'ld of come back later and proceeded onto NOLA.

The county jails don't mind holding Fed. prisoners, they just want an authorization number to submit the bill for food etc. Someone at the Fed. level screwed the pooch here. The agents were ordered to kick them loose, they kicked them loose.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:34 PM

Tazer-"De Fence",

.........get it ?

Oh Well, back to the wall,

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:43 PM

 Originally Posted By: hunter1960
The area that this occured is over in far Eastern TN. just South of Johnson City, near the TN/NC border. It's the Fed's call on this, they were released by a Fed. agency.

If i was one of the agents and could of got authorization for payment number, i'ld of taken them to a local county jail and left them. I'ld of come back later and proceeded onto NOLA.

The county jails don't mind holding Fed. prisoners, they just want an authorization number to submit the bill for food etc. Someone at the Fed. level screwed the pooch here. The agents were ordered to kick them loose, they kicked them loose.


I'd have to say that the BEST we get offa' this sad story is FACT,....from Hunter,...and that much appreciated.

"Surge" off button punched, and media Kudos garnered

....all Feds go back to donut break,

Counties and States once again on their own.

Anyone sees something more sensible,....about this debacle,....

lemme Know,

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 08:56 PM

Dealing with them on the border as they try and enter the country is one thing. As is dealing with them in a state on the Mex border. The ones i am referring to are two thousand miles from the border and have been here awhile. They get smart quick, keep a low profile, and have multiple ID's.

This big push on deportation hasn't been going on that long, only within the last three or four years has it gotten strong. As i've stated before, it appears that the big push is on those who've been through deportation hearings, deported and have returned to the US(felony). Those folks are in the system with names, pictures, numbers, and are able to be ID'd.

Those who haven't been entered into the system deported, who are caught in this country for the first time(misdemeanor) are hard to ID and even harder to get a response from ICE. They won't respond for one or two, they use to only take them in groups of fifty, if you had less then fifty in custody, too bad. Immigration/Ice isn't that bad anymore, but they still want more then one or two.

I think that there's so many felony cases right now, that's what the push is on. There's many who have been arrested for misdemeanors in the local court systems, but it's the felonies that are being dealt with the largest emphasis at this time.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/05/08 09:04 PM

Yup,....and we some how can muster funds to display jars of urine poured over pictures of Our Blessed Lord ( "Endowment to the Arts"),....while comin' up shorta' funds

like this,......

FOLKS,....DEFEND and support ( fund ) your local SO ( long's they're delivering the goods, or trying to)

Link: http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080905/LOCAL/809050376/1044/LOCAL08

Published: September 5, 2008 6:00 a.m. Sheriff's immigration training plan delayed over grantAmanda IaconeThe Journal GazetteAdvertisement
Allen County sheriff’s officers won’t be enforcing U.S. immigration laws, at least for now.

The department applied last fall to work with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers to arrest illegal immigrants in Allen County. The department learned this week that no federal money is available this year for the training program, Chief Deputy Dave Gladieux said.

Immigration officials encouraged the sheriff’s department to apply again in November for money to pay for officers to participate in the five-week program next year, Gladieux said.

“We are probably going to reapply,” Gladieux said.

Sheriff Ken Fries hoped to send 10 civilian jail officers and 10 sworn officers to the training.

They would learn how to check immigration status and how to complete paperwork that goes to the federal agency.

The program is known as 287(g), referring to a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

When news of the sheriff’s plan broke this past winter, the idea of local police enforcing complicated immigration laws rankled local minority leaders. Rosa Gerra, executive director of the United Hispanic-Americans, was among them.

“I’m glad that it’s postponed,” Gerra said Thursday.

She and Jonathan Ray, president and CEO of the Fort Wayne Urban League, met with Fries in January to discuss their concerns. They were worried that a quota system would be used and could lead to racial profiling. They were also concerned that residents would be deported over driving infractions.

Fries said at the time that the immigration checks would be completed after a person was arrested on a felony charge. He said the officers would not hunt for undocumented residents.

Gerra hopes by the time the department begins working with immigration officers, federal laws will be streamlined and improved so local communities aren’t asked to tackle the country’s immigration issues.

aiacone@jg.net


Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 01:01 PM

Quite simply,....I just could not agree more with Barr, on this.

"Effective enforcement is more important than a physical fence."

I'm sure GPA would find some sorta' wiseass "low Blow" crack to distribute.

Must be rough,....goin' through life without sense enough to pour pidss outta' a boot,.......even if the DIRECTIONS are written on the heel.

I'm sure that Hunter will have an alternate ( but perspicascious) comment or 2 on this,.........

Another Voice of Reason
Bob Barr Should Be In the Presidential Debates

Washington Times -- September 6

Barr: Border First
"Today, however, the U.S. government has lost control of its borders. While too many people come illegally, we accept too few legal immigrants. Rather than consciously decide who should be welcomed as new citizens, citizenship is bestowed on anyone who happens to be born in the U.S. Current policy is a mess.
"The federal government first must regain control over the nation's border. Only then will the U.S. be able to deal with threats of terrorism and infectious diseases, as well as implement a consistent immigration policy. Effective enforcement is more important than a physical fence."
American Patrol Comment: Former Congressman Bob Barr is the Libertarian candidate for President. He wants to end birthright citizenship; education for all illegal aliens, opposes amnesty whatsoever and says we should enforce existing law. Many argue he should be in the presidential debates. We agree.
We push for a physical fence because it has been proven effective in San Diego and can be easily measured – it is either there or it isn't. Besides, Congress approved it overwhelmingly. If Washington bureaucrats openly defy the wishes of Congress and the people, how can we expect them to enforce other laws?
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 02:28 PM

Just gotta' love the small town South,.....Mayor and his bro
( COP )

something I see nothing particularly wrong with,.....though it's none of my business,........it's the business of the townfolk, and theirs to run with.

This town needs our support, in the face of MSM villification.

" Fiesty",....ya' just gotta' love that,.....no?

Carlos Galarza, another "fair and balanced" source, no doubt.

Link: http://www.upstatetoday.com/news/2008/sep/06/mayor-says-illegal-aliens-abound




Mayor says illegal aliens abound
School numbers tell a different story
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September 6, 2008 - 12:05 a.m. EST



Carlos Galarza

The Mundo Hispano grocery store in Walhalla stayed busy Friday. Although several Latino businesses have had a presence in the community for many years, Mayor Randy Chastain says there also is an illegal presence sapping the small city's resources.
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Carlos Galarza

A Spanish sign in front of a building on South Catherine St. in Walhalla promotes free dinner Mondays from 5:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. Walhalla Mayor Randy Chastain claims he has no doubts that the number of illegal aliens is growing in his city.
WALHALLA —Mayor Randy Chastain minced few words in saying that an increasing illegal immigration presence is sapping his city of resources and adding a heavy burden on the backs of Oconee County taxpayers.

At the same time, Chastain categorically denied that the city’s police department, headed by his brother, Tim Chastain, is engaged in racial profiling.

The mayor said he has to set the record straight because published reports gave the impression that Latinos are being arrested for minor traffic violations.

Chastain said the proliferation of graffiti and the arrest last month of an undocumented Guatemalan man charged with murder are signs that a serious illegal alien problem exists in Walhalla.

However, if illegal Latino immigrants are overrunning the city and the county, as Chastain contends, School District of Oconee County student population tallies fail to support that premise. School officials say they have not seen any dramatic spike in the number of Latino students attending Oconee schools.

School spokesperson Kay Powell said 754 Hispanic students are enrolled in grades kindergarten- through 12-grades for the 2008-09 school year. That is a 6.6 percent increase from the 707 Latino student population recorded the previous year.

Given that the total student population in Oconee has hovered around 10,500 for the past 40 years, Hispanics make up 0.07 percent of students in Oconee classrooms.

At James M. Brown Elementary School on Coffee Road in Walhalla, which at one time had one of the largest Latino-student enrollments in the state, their numbers actually declined during the current school year.

Principal John Frady said 171of the 696 students enrolled at the school this year are Hispanic. Last year, 175 Latinos were enrolled there.

Over the past five years, the largest Latino enrollment at the school was 177 students during the 2005-06 school year. During the same period, the percentage of Hispanic students at the school has fluctuated from 23 percent to almost 25 percent.

Frady, who grew up in Walhalla and attended public schools there, said he doesn’t get into the debate about illegal immigration.

“I’m all about education and not immigration,” Frady said. “My job is to educate every child to the best of my ability.”

Frady said the number of Hispanic students has not changed much over the past six years, which indicates to him that a number of Latino families are now part of the community.

“There are radicals that don’t want that sector in the community, and there are others who are more accepting,” Frady said. “I happen to be among those that are more accepting.”

Chastain said he’s supportive of people who are in the country legally, but adds he does not sympathize in the least with anyone who breaks the law to enter this country illegally.

After being elected mayor last fall, Chastain said at the first City Council meeting he headed that Walhalla has an illegal immigration problem. He now says the problem is getting worse.

“Initially, they came here and were basically to themselves,” Chastain said. They didn’t cause much problems. Now they are more brazen; there’s a lot more of them. There’s more now than there’ve ever been. It’s their culture versus the American culture.”

A private investigator and owner of the downtown Walhalla eatery, Bantam Chef, Chastain served on the City Council 10 years before defeating his closest rival in the mayoral race last fall by more than 70 votes.

The feisty mayor said he’s not afraid to speak his mind.

Chastain said he was so disturbed by published reports stating that federal immigration officials have shown little interest in picking up undocumented inmates at the county jail that he contacted U.S. Rep. Gresham Barrett, R-Westminster, to complain.

“I’ve been assured by Barrett’s office that this situation has been worked out,” Chastain said. “I think everybody that has a concern should sound off and let their elective representatives know.”
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 03:03 PM

Regarding the posting of the article ref. the Sheriff in Ft. Wayne In. who wanted to get involved in the immigration program. Funding does make the difference, i know that's something that's hard to swallow, but it's true.

You have to understand that if you want to do something, that's above that of the fiscal budget, you've either have to cut something, somewhere else or go back to the county commission, and beg for the funding. If you pay for something now out of the fiscal budget, will it cause issues in other areas later in the year?

You really have to know and understand the county commission as a sheriff. Do you have a commission, that's so tight that they can sh!t in a hotsauce bottle, or can you convince them that whatever you need the money for, is a good idea within reason? Remember the county commission are elected officials also, they might not be so hot on what you need the extra funding for, as you are.

This immigration program which is ran through ICE/Immigration/Customs/USBP is there baby. They control the software and training, needed to make it happen. At this point in time if no funding is available to train and set up the program in this sheriff's local area, he's got to wait till funds are available.

It's a sad fact of life that less then probably 50% of the population give a hoot about illegals. If this sheriff was to take funding from his budget and pay for the Fed. training people would raise hell, that he was spending money, on something that isn't that important.

I can almost guarantee that this sheriff isn't going to fall on his own sword and cause a tax increase or have to go beg for more funding from the county commission over it. Those states on the border see it as a bigger issue, then many far from the border.

The majority of these sheriff's are smart when it comes to political & financial boat rocking, they know too many waves will result in the possibility of being voted out, and you don't have much influence on the issue, when you don't hold the office.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 08:31 PM

We have " County Supervisors" that are visible early on a Sunday AM,....stinking of booze and buying 3 packs of "Wheat Straw" rolling papers,...at the local convenience store.

Funny,.....one, who of couse is saddled with the not so affectionate nickname "Pothead" ( that earned by a BP stop,.....he had dope / Roach, ....in a County Vehicle)
anyway this winner is running for a seat on the State Corporate Commission................
Go figger.

GTC
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 08:33 PM

Aparently what "Happens Down in Mexico"

DOES stay down in Mexico.

Have fun touring, Ya'll.

Link: http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/frontpage/95990.php

Mexican official: Oregon man drowned in own blood
The Associated Press

CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico — A Mexican prosecutor says an Oregon tourist drowned in his own blood while in police custody.
Sam Botner of Yancalla, Oregon, was arrested on Aug. 27 in the resort of San Jose del Cabo and was later found dead in a jail cell. Prosecutors say a surveillance video shows officers beating Botner.
In an interview Thursday with The Associated Press, state prosecutor Fernando Gonzalez said Botner suffered a ruptured spleen and then died of asphyxiation after internal bleeding blocked his airway.
Six police officers are under house arrest in the death.
Prosecutors have two weeks to determine whether they will bring charges in the case.
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 08:35 PM

Barr has some very good points. Effective enforcement probably is better then physical control.

The folks that are coming from Mex. Cent./South America aren't the smartest folks in the world if it came to going through the normal immigration procedures, paperwork, documents, etc, to include passing the citizens test.

My MIL, about fifteen years ago went through the procedure even though she (German) had married an American soldier in the 50's, she wanted to become an American citizen and passed the test etc.

Alot of those sneeking in from the South, aren't too darn far from living in third world situations. I've learned that many who come into this country, are criminals in the country that they left. That's not always the situation, but it's true in many cases.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 08:46 PM

I guess if you toss a tatooed "MS 13" type into a back country village ,El Salvador,.....he'll be finely minced by many willing machetes,.....folks there have

GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 08:48 PM

The "County Supervisors" are they the ones who control the purse strings in the county, as far as approving budgets?

If they are, they don't sound very pro-LE. That might of been a problem for Cloud, if he had gotten elected. Hopefully you can vote the crappy supervisors out, and get some that are decent. Your county has a pretty good Pop. it appears well over a hundred thousand, about twice the Pop. of mine.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 09:11 PM

If you were to look at the turn out for the primaries,...it would just flat break your heart,......

21-22% of all registered voters,.......sigh.

I'll bet the turn out in your district WILDLY exceeds that.

Some kinda' "Manana" lethargy here that makes getting anything done more than difficult.

The "County Seat" Bisbee,....is a nest of burnt out Haight Ashbury types that have cashed in on a "Real Estate Boom".
The dirty old abandoned Miner's Homes that they bought for diddl;y in the 70's and 80's are now " Valuable"

The place is morass,....PETA,....ACLU,......and Earth First types,... just the top layer,.....with an almost unbelievable street crime index.

ALL, ....I repeat ALL funding for this circus is Fed tax $,....and grants,....because of "Historic Site" status.

I was in a book store there, some years back ( it's only 40 min. drive from " The Rusty Iron" )......there was a WHOLE shelf devoted to how to sabatoge Ranches,....and screw up hunting.

A little SICK piece of the worse Cal. produced,....here in the Old West.



GTC
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/06/08 10:08 PM

Local voting is low, everywhere that i've noticed. I just don't understand it. That's why and how many career politicans can stay in office aslong as they do, they know that folks don't vote.

People will come out of the woodwork to vote for a POTUS, but couldn't care less who their US Rep. or Sen. is. The same with local elections, they'll vote any schmuck in as county commissioner or sheriff or school board etc. etc.

I've seen folks who couldn't tell you who their county supervisors/commissioners were, yet these politicans, have the ability to raise property taxes on a simple vote, at a monthly meeting.

I don't know how it is in Az. but in the majority of counties in this state, the two highest users of tax generated funds are the schools and LE/courts.

One thing that the counties in this state can do, and that is limit the tax increase on those over 65. I don't know if this occurs in Az or not. It keeps folks on a fixed income from having to sell their home or property to pay the tax bill.

They still pay property taxes, but at a lower reduced rate. It helps keep the developers from taking good farm land and turning it into a subdivision. In some of the counties in this state, which use to be agriculture based, are only growing houses.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/07/08 11:47 AM

I probably don't like posting this sorta' thing any more than ya'll like reading it,....but when attention to a problem is REQUIRED,......niceties go by the wayside.

Another "Catch and Release" snafu.


Link: http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_10400247

denver & the west
ICE checks out suspect in ice cream fatals
By Kirk Mitchell
The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 09/06/2008 08:28:28 PM MDT


Related
Ice Cream Shop Deaths
Sep 7:
ICE holds driver in crashSep 5:
Man arrested in ice cream shop crash that killed 3Sep 4:
Truck hits ice cream shop, kills 3A man held for suspicion of vehicular homicide in the deaths of a 3-year-old child and two women is now being detained by federal immigration officials.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement sent a faxed a detainer on Francis Hernandez, 23, at 12:04 a.m. Saturday, indicating his U.S. citizenship is under question, according to Arapahoe county jail officials and federal authorities.

Hernandez has been arrested 16 times in five years in Colorado but apparently has never been deported, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records.

On Friday, authorities said they believed he was a U.S. citizen born in California.

Hernandez had been arrested in Denver as recently as July 18 on a traffic stop and charged with numerous crimes including resisting police, CBI records say. Had he been held on an ICE detainer at the time, he would have been jailed until his case was completed and he served any sentence, then deported, a time-consuming process.

Hernandez is now being held on the ICE detainer and for investigation of three counts of vehicular homicide, reckless driving and hit and run after he allegedly left a Baskin-Robbins store at South Havana Street and East Mississippi Avenue where the accident happened at about 8 p.m. Thursday, Sopranuk said.

His bail was raised Friday from $10,000 to $100,000, according to Sgt. Lisa Grosskruger of the Arapahoe county jail.

Late Friday afternoon, the Aurora police identified the three victims as Patricia Guntharp, 49, of Centennial, Debra Serecku, 51, of Aurora, and 3-year-old Marten Kudlis.

Sopranuk said that Hernandez was driving a Chevy Suburban rapidly and erratically south on Havana shortly after 8 p.m. Witnesses said he may have run a red light at the intersection of Mississippi and South Havana.

The SUV hit a northbound white Mazda pickup that was turning into the Good Times burger outlet. The impact sent the truck more than 100 feet into the corner of the Baskin Robbins in the Market Square shopping center.

Dating back to 2003, Hernandez has been arrested for mostly misdemeanor offenses 16 times by police officers in Denver, Longmont, Aurora, Westminster, Lakewood and Broomfield and sheriff's deputies in Boulder, Gilpin and Arapahoe counties, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records. His charges have included forgery, assault, theft, fraud and driving under restraint.

But he apparently was never deported previously. Sopranuk said Friday that Hernandez was born in California and is a U.S. citizen. But he added that detectives could find no indication that he had ever held a driver's license in California or Colorado.

Also according to CBI records, Hernandez, who has 11 aliases and two listed birth dates, has four listed birth places including Mexico.

ICE placed a detainer because of indications he was born outside the country, said ICE spokesman Carl Rusnok. Officers are currently investigating his citizenship, he sai.

When ICE did not place a hold on Hernandez following his July 18 arrest, he was released and has since been listed as a fugitive, according to CBI records.

There were multiple warrants for his arrest when the fatal accident happened Thursday, Sopranuk said.

He could not be reached for comment Saturday.

Rusnok said it is possible that if Hernandez is illegally in the country that his status was not checked or identied previously despite numerous arrests.

He said in some instances suspects are arrested for minor offenses and they are released on bail or serve short sentences before an citizenship check is done.

ICE places a priority on deporting illegal immigrants who have been arrested for crimes, Rusnok said. Sometimes ICE agents make regular visits to jails checking for suspects illegally in the country, he said.

Kirk Mitchell: 303-954-1206 or kmitchell@denverpost.com
Posted by: hunter1960

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/07/08 03:57 PM

This is a prime example of some of the things i've mentioned with the multiple names, DOB's etc, when dealing with these subjects. I'll tell you something else, not every LEO or jailer speaks Spanish.

The Mexicans come into jail, and start the "no understandee" stuff. You speak Spanish to them, they play stupid, like they don't know what your saying to them. They do the same thing on the street, when you make contact with them as an LEO. They know that this is good Ol'USA, not Mex. so we can't beat them, as they would in Mex.

They have the same rights as American citizens when it comes to rights within the legal system. Not trying to talk bad about lawyers, but you violate one of these illegals civil rights. They'll have a lawyer and a lawsuit on you, quicker then you know it.

Some agencies don't access the Customs/Immigration programs to determine alien status. As was described regarding the misdemeanors, their arrested, charged, they bond out and either appear or fail to appear in court.

Many times there's no follow up, within local agencies as to that persons immigration status. Alot of agencies don't have the manpower to follow up on these aliens. As i've mentioned ICE won't respond, for one individual regarding a misdemeanor.

Unfortunatly this time their responding due to the felony charges, which resulted from three deaths. I know that this topic is dear to your heart and soul, but alot of agencies/states that aren't located on the border, really don't care about some illegal Mex's, with misdemeanors.

Right now there's no Natl. policy for all LE agencies, to check immigration status on people that are arrested. Nor will ICE pick up one individual and go through the deportation proceedings.

One of the good things of allowing the local agencies to get the training and for their jail employees to become deputized ICE agents, is that they can do all the paperwork required for the alien, to be taken before a Fed. judge in a deportation hearing.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/07/08 07:49 PM

I think there's progress evident,....recently. ( one can hope)

We'll have to see if the "Surge" switch gets thrown into the off position

GTC

Here's a WIERD one, reflective to your comment on Lawyers and Legalities,....

I'm not sure I'm buying the 660 BILLION ( ????!!!!) in an Earnings suspense file,....jeez, you could train every small dept in the US for that,......and have a bit to spare for fence wire.

Link: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20080907/BIZ/709079867/1005

Published: Sunday, September 7, 2008

Absurd case shows mess caused by illegal hirings

By James McCusker, Herald columnist

'Too bad they both can't lose."

That was former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger's comment on the Iran-Iraq War, which broke out in 1980 and lasted for nearly eight years.

His observation and the same kind of contempt for the behavior of the participants come easily to mind when we take a look at the legal battle between Agriprocessors and the United Food and Commercial Workers union.

Agriprocessors is the largest kosher meat-processing company in the United States. Its plant in Postville, Iowa, has for some time been the scene of conflict with the federal government, primarily over the hiring of illegal immigrants, but also violations of child labor laws. A recent raid there by Immigration and Customs Enforcement resulted in the arrest of 389 workers, 302 of whom have already pleaded guilty to either immigration violations or other criminal charges.

Agriprocessors is not the first, and certainly not the only, company in America to hire illegal immigrants, or to become dependent on them for its profitability. Still, there is no doubt that, as they say, they "took it to the next level." Since 2002, for example, the Social Security Administration has notified the company of over 3,000 discrepancies in employee identification numbers and records.

But it was in Brooklyn, New York that the Agriprocessors story climbed to the comic opera stage. The company operates a small plant there and about three years ago workers voted, 15-5, to join the UFCW. The company subsequently refused to recognize the union, saying that it had "discovered" that seventeen of the twenty workers who voted were illegal aliens and had no right to join the union. These workers were fired and replaced -- with, the union claims, other illegal immigrant workers.

The National Labor Relations Board saw it differently, citing a 1984 Supreme Court decision that, it says, affirmed the right of illegal immigrant workers to join unions. The company challenged that ruling but the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington sided with the NLRB.

Now Agriprocssors is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to hear their argument that the 1984 ruling should be reversed. It is basing its case on the changed view of illegal immigrants -- including enforcement -- and on the passage, in 1986, of a federal law making it a crime to hire illegal aliens.

So now the stage is set. We have a company with a history of hiring illegal immigrants, pleading to the U.S. Supreme Court for a ruling that would get rid of the union but also, as a logical, if unintended, consequence, make the firm guilty of a crime. And on the other side we have a union that, while not conducting itself in quite the unsavory manner as its adversary, still wants to organize illegal immigrant workers, something that common sense would tell us would itself be illegal. And, as an accounting subplot, there is the issue of illegal workers paying dues so that they can enjoy the benefits of such things as a pension. Oh, wait, that's not going to happen with all that false documentation.

Well, at least while they are working they can contribute, just as they pay into Social Security, with no hope of ever collecting anything in return. The Social Security Administration has over $660 billion in its "Earnings Suspense File" account, which is where payroll tax payments from illegal immigrants usually end up. How much money from illegal immigrant workers' pension contributions might be in union suspense or holding accounts is anybody's guess.

The 1984 Supreme Court decision -- Sure-Tan, Inc. vs. NLRB -- that is now at the center of this opera is itself more than a bit messy. After a pro-union vote, the employer turned in its own workers to the immigration authorities. As a result, six of the seven workers involved in the vote left the U.S. in order to avoid deportation. The NLRB said that the employer's actions were an unfair labor practice -- an improper "constructive discharge" --and the court agreed.

For those totally disillusioned with election year politics there is a Web site business that will sell you a yard sign that proclaims, "Too Bad They Can't All Lose." And while I don't share that view of politics, it is difficult to shake that same feeling about this legal case. It is very hard to find any heroes.

Still, it would be very helpful for the U.S. Supreme Court to take on the thankless task of deciding this matter, if only to clarify what needs to be done by the Congress to set things straight. After four decades of bi-partisan avoidance of the illegal immigration issue, it's not surprising that the law is messy too. It's time to clean it up.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/07/08 08:01 PM

"Still, it would be very helpful for the U.S. Supreme Court to take on the thankless task of deciding this matter, if only to clarify what needs to be done by the Congress to set things straight. After four decades of bi-partisan avoidance of the illegal immigration issue, it's not surprising that the law is messy too. It's time to clean it up. "

Amen to that.

I can remember a friend's mother who was pretty enthusiastically involved in the John Birch Society back in the late 1950's- early '60's who told me how illegal immigration was going to be a big issue.
Interesting how prophetic conservative groups have been.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/08/08 08:15 AM

The Dallas morning News agrees,.....as do ABP,......

looks like the quoted "4 decades of avoidance" will legnthen further yet.

Hold Their Feet to the Fire
Dallas Morning News Agrees

Dallas Morning News Editorial -- September 8
FAIR's Lobby week will include the "Feet to the Fire" radio blitz

Obama, McCain avoid immigration reform
Mr. McCain, trying hard not to offend his conservative base, says he would not vote for the comprehensive immigration reform bill that he himself introduced in the Senate. Mr. Obama has committed only to deal with illegal immigration sometime before the end of his first term. Instead of debating solutions before the voting public, they are punting this as far down the road – and away from the elections – as they can. [...]
If the presidential candidates are foolish enough to think illegal immigration isn't on voters' minds, they'd better think again. State and local lawmakers recognize voters' outrage. They're acting because lawmakers neither see "change we can believe in" nor "maverick courage" when it comes to progress on comprehensive immigration reform.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/08/08 08:23 AM

I'm wondering why the L.A. Times chose to Re-editorialize this, at this particular time...............

A sad and troubling tale, insightful in the telling.

.....Mexico under siege,.....indeed

CAUTION,......GRAPHIC CONTENT (PHOTOS)

Link: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-soriano7-2008sep07,0,6331687.story

MEXICO UNDER SIEGE
In Mexico, a police victory against smuggling brings deadly revenge


Juan Jose Soriano, deputy commander of the Tecate Police Department, helped U.S. authorities find a drug-smuggling tunnel. The next morning, gunmen shot him 45 times in his bedroom.
By Richard Marosi, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 7, 2008
Tecate, Mexico

Adrug-sniffing dog pulled the U.S. Border Patrol agent to a rusty cargo container in the storage yard just north of the Mexican border. Peeking inside, he saw stacks of bundled marijuana and a man with a gun tucked in his waistband.



Photos: A police victory is... Mexico Under Siege: Complete Coverage Photos: Mexico under siege (graphic content)

The officer and the man locked eyes for a moment before the smuggler scrambled down a hole and disappeared. By the time backup agents cast their flashlights into the opening, he was long gone, through a winding tunnel to Mexico.

U.S. authorities called a trusted friend on the other side, Juan Jose Soriano.

The deputy commander of the Tecate Police Department gathered the entire shift of 30 officers at the decrepit police headquarters on Avenida Benito Juarez. Soriano knew any of them might leak information to the tunnel's gangster operators. So he took their cellphones and sent them away on a ruse about a car chase near the border.


The veteran officer told only a few trusted aides about the tunnel. Later that day, the officers went into the U.S. and traversed the length of the passageway to an empty building, where they found computers, ledgers and other key evidence.

For U.S. authorities, it was an encouraging example of cross-border cooperation in the drug war. For Mexico's crime bosses, it was a police victory that could not go unpunished.

That night last December, while Soriano slept with his wife and baby daughter, two heavily armed men broke into his house and shot him 45 times. The 35-year-old father of three young daughters died in his bedroom. He had lasted two days as the second-in-command of the department.

The death of a police officer is generally greeted in Mexico with a knowing smirk. All too often, it is assumed the cop in question was playing for both sides in the raging drug war that has claimed at least 2,000 lives in Mexico this year.

But all indications, from U.S. and Mexican sources, suggestthat Soriano was among the good ones, poorly paid but somehow immune to the lure of big money and the threat of deadly firepower from Mexico's violent drug gangs.

Cooperation with U.S. law enforcement ranges from secretive intelligence sharing to high-profile raids and arrests. It is aggressive police work that runs the risk of death for honest cops.

An intense, soft-spoken man, Soriano struggled for years to clean up the troubled department. But his corruption-busting ways earned him only contempt from many cops. At the small shrine to fallen officers in the courtyard at police headquarters, Soriano's image is conspicuously absent.

"It's a shame," said Donald McDermott, a former Border Patrol assistant chief who worked with Soriano. "He was one of the good guys. . . . His untimely demise was a blow to border enforcement on both sides of the border."

A city of 120,000 tucked in the rugged mountains 40 miles east of Tijuana, Tecate is best known for its tree-lined plaza and beer brewery. But its tranquil veneer masks its reputation as a hub of organized crime groups that use the surrounding area of boulder-strewn peaks and remote valleys as a launching pad for smuggling drugs and humans.

The 200-member police department has long been suspected of functioning as an arm of the drug cartels, providing protection and ensuring that smuggling routes remain open along the 75 miles of border for which the department is responsible.

Soriano stood apart: an aggressive, disciplined lawman who aspired to become police chief, according to law enforcement sources on both sides of the border. Unlike most Mexican cops, he had a degree in police science. And he spent three years working for Grupo Beta, a federal immigrant-safety force with whom he once saved 65 immigrants in a snowstorm.

In 2003, Soriano took charge of Tecate's SWAT-like special response team. In a break from past practices, he reached out to U.S. agencies for training opportunities and cross-border crime fighting.

Soriano's officers arrested border bandits, disrupted smuggling operations and went where cops hadn't gone in years, say U.S. and Mexican sources who spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing retaliation.

Soriano was a go-to source for the U.S. Border Patrol and other agencies and was a regular at binational meetings, where he shared information with his U.S. counterparts. "He wanted to do things the right way," said one Mexican law enforcement source. "But that was a problem for many people."

Police brass reassigned Soriano to a desk job in 2005. "They took away his wings. They weren't ready for where he was going," said one U.S. law enforcement source.

Late last year, Tecate's new mayor salvaged Soriano's career, asking him to take the No. 2 job at the department. Law enforcement contacts across the border applauded the move and didn't wait long to restore ties.

This time, though, the stakes were higher.



Photos: A police victory is... Mexico Under Siege: Complete Coverage Photos: Mexico under siege (graphic content)

A well-concealed tunnel can generate tens of millions of dollars in drug profits for traffickers, who pay huge amounts of protection money to keep them open and threaten anyone who talks about their location.

It was crucial to quickly find the opening of the tunnel discovered that December morning. U.S. authorities didn't want the operators to have time to clear out the drugs and other evidence. In other tunnel cases, Mexican authorities had been slow to respond, allowing crime bosses to abscond with drugs.

Soriano took immediate action. After confiscating the cops' cellphones, he dispatched them to the four-lane border crossing and told them to look out for a fugitive trying to flee from California authorities. Then he and several trusted officers started searching for the tunnel in homes and businesses near the border. He kept a close watch on crooked cops, who he feared would slip away to warn the tunnel operators.


The search failed. Someone would have to traverse the length of the passageway to find the opening.

Soriano volunteered seven officers. They crossed into the U.S. and descended into the tunnel while U.S. and Mexican authorities waited for them to surface in Mexico. About 45 minutes later, the Mexican team climbed up the 80-foot-deep shaft into a vacant two-story building a block south of the border.

A Virgin of Guadalupe picture hung near the opening. Nearby were computer monitors and scribbled ledgers. Soriano, alerted by a radio call from his team, arrived at the building just ahead of the crush of reporters and other police. Mexican federal agents took over the crime scene.

At about 2 a.m. the next morning, a convoy of vehicles drove down the deeply rutted dirt road leading to Soriano's modest house, which was decorated with a string of Christmas lights. Two men armed with AK-47s broke in. Soriano jumped out of bed, but the men stopped him before he could grab his weapons in the hallway.

Soriano seemed to recognize his attackers and begged them not to shoot, a source said. But the men opened fire, the spray of bullets coming within inches of Soriano's year-old daughter sleeping in the crib by his bed.

Since Soriano's death, relations between the Tecate Police Department and U.S. agencies have been almost nonexistent. The force doesn't have a liaison officer, and the border lands are more lawless than ever, Mexican sources say.

Soriano's slaying sent a message to other cops who would dare cooperate with U.S. authorities.

That was clear at Soriano's funeral, where many cops seemed to be celebrating his death, said one person who attended. Some laughed, while others chatted loudly in gestures of disrespect.

Mexican authorities suspect police were involved in the slaying, either as the triggermen or the lookouts for hit men. Nobody has been arrested in the case.

Meanwhile, the tunnel investigation has stalled. There have been no arrests, and it is unknown who was behind the construction and financing of the passageway.

On the day of the tunnel discovery, Soriano turned over a largely intact crime scene. But soon, dozens of soldiers, police, federal agents and reporters gathered to marvel at the sophisticated lighting and water pumping system. Other unidentified people seemed to linger for no apparent reason, said U.S. and Mexican sources.

The computers and other evidence had vanished.

Soriano once wrote on an employment evaluation that he wanted to be a police commander and lead a team of loyal, aggressive cops whom he would treat as friends. "I want to be surrounded by honest police who would never betray anyone."

richard.marosi@latimes.com

Times staff writer Robert Lopez contributed to this report.





Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/08/08 10:18 PM

No Need to introduce Michelle Malkin,.....

Link: http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/07/sanctuary-kills-a-bloody-needless-tragedy-in-aurora/

Sanctuary kills: A bloody, needless tragedy in Aurora
By Michelle Malkin • September 7, 2008 04:55 PM How many times do I have to ask: How many more tragedies like this need to occur before Americans finally hold illegal alien sanctuary enablers responsible for their reckless, deadly neglect?

Lord have mercy. One of the victims was a 3-year-old child enjoying ice cream at Baskin-Robbins:

As new questions arose about the man police say is responsible for the tragedy, several hundred friends and relatives gathered Saturday night outside an ice cream shop to mourn three lives suddenly lost.

“It hurts now,” said Vito Kudlis, surrounded by friends as he and his wife, Enely, wept for their 3-year-old son, Marten. “It is freaky. It is crazy.”

Marten, Patricia Guntharp, 49, of Centennial and Debra Serecky, 51, of Aurora all died when a Thursday night collision caused vehicles to careen into the Baskin-Robbins at the corner of South Havana Street and East Mississippi Avenue.

Saturday night, they were remembered in a candlelight vigil. Small children held glow sticks as others added stuffed animals — especially bears — to a memorial.

Francis Hernandez, the man being held for suspicion of vehicular homicide in the deaths, is now being detained by federal immigration officials.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials sent a faxed detainer on Hernandez, 23, at 12:04 a.m. Saturday, indicating his U.S. citizenship is under question, according to Arapahoe County jail officials and federal authorities.

Hernandez has been arrested 16 times in five years in Colorado but apparently has never been deported, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records.
Watch the revolving door go ’round and ’round:

Hernandez had been arrested in Denver as recently as July 18 on a traffic stop and charged with numerous crimes, including resisting police, CBI records say. Had he been held on an ICE detainer at that time, he would have been jailed until his case was completed and his sentence served and then deported, a time-consuming process.

Hernandez is now being held on the ICE detainer and for investigation of three counts of vehicular homicide, reckless driving and hit and run in Thursday night’s accident, Aurora police spokesman Lt. John Sopranuk said…

…Dating back to 2003, Hernandez has been arrested for mostly misdemeanor offenses 16 times by police officers in Denver, Longmont, Aurora, Westminster, Lakewood and Broomfield and sheriff’s deputies in Boulder, Gilpin and Arapahoe counties, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records. His charges have included forgery, assault, theft, fraud and driving under restraint.

Sopranuk said Friday that Hernandez was born in California and is a U.S. citizen.

But he added that detectives could find no indication that he had ever held a driver’s license in California or Colorado.

Also according to CBI records, Hernandez, who has 11 aliases and two listed birth dates, has four listed birth places, including Mexico.

ICE placed a detainer because of indications he was born outside the country, said
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/08/08 10:22 PM

.......That which shall NOT be discussed,......

by either,.....

In the "DARK",....indeed.

Link: http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sanbernardinocounty/ci_10407914

Issue stays in the dark
Both candidates shun border talk
Stephen Wall, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 09/07/2008 10:55:06 PM PDT


It's one of the most complex and controversial issues facing the country.
But it was scarcely mentioned at the two largest political gatherings of the year.

Neither of the major presidential candidates touched on immigration reform during their parties' national conventions.

Political experts say there are good reasons for Democratic nominee Barack Obama and Republican nominee John McCain to sidestep the minefield of the immigration debate.

John J. Pitney, a professor of politics at Claremont McKenna College, said the issue is tricky for both candidates.

"Both parties face cross-pressures," Pitney said. "On the one hand, both Obama and McCain favor immigration reform that would provide a path to citizenship. But within each party, there is significant opposition to anything like that. It's more vocal on the Republican side, but even among Democrats you have a fair number of blue-collar workers who are very concerned about immigration."

The word "immigration" was absent from McCain's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., last week.

To capture the White House, analysts say, McCain needs a sizable share of traditionally Democratic Latino voters to move to his side. Polls have shown that many Latinos, especially recently naturalized citizens, favor proposals to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants.

But in trying to woo Latino voters, the Arizona senator risks the wrath of
conservative Republicans who want the federal government to secure the border to keep illegal immigrants from entering the country.
"That's his dilemma," Pitney said. "The more he appeals to the Latino voters, the more he alienates Republicans who might stay home" on Election Day.

Obama also must be careful not to press too hard for Latino support because doing so could turn off working-class white voters in key battleground states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, analysts say.

In his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention in Denver two weeks ago, Obama avoided any talk of immigration reform.

The Illinois senator made a vague reference to the controversy surrounding immigration, but he did not repeat his earlier support for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

"Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers," Obama said.

That was the extent of his remarks on the issue.

Area Latino activists who went to Denver to rally in favor of comprehensive immigration reform were expecting more from Obama.

"I was somewhat disappointed that he didn't talk about it at all, especially when there was such a large Latino contingent at the convention and there was a large Hispanic caucus," said Jose Zapata Calderon, a professor of sociology and Chicano studies at Pitzer College in Claremont.

Calderon, who supports Obama, attended the convention and participated in a march that was meant to keep the immigration issue at the front of the Democratic Party agenda.

In the past, Obama has supported allowing illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses. He also was a co-sponsor of a bill in Congress known as the Dream Act, which would provide a way for qualified illegal immigrant students to become legal residents and eventually citizens.

And, like McCain, he backed legislation to allow the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to earn legal status. McCain has since changed his position to require the border to be secured before a path to citizenship is created.

"Certainly (Obama is) being very safe on controversial issues such as immigration," Calderon said. "When he's talking about it, he's talking about it in small settings. Sooner or later, I think in the debates, those issues are going to be brought up. I'm hoping there is no backtracking on it."

Some opponents of illegal immigration don't see much difference between McCain and Obama on the issue.

"Both of them recognize that their positions are significantly out of step with most of the voters, especially those in the center that they are trying to win over," said Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which favors strict limits on immigration. "That's why they don't want to talk about it."
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/09/08 07:39 AM

I understand not wanting to make an issue out of a very polarizing issue - you'll lose too many votes, but, it is kind of important. \:\)
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/09/08 10:44 AM

Savagery in the Valley of the Sun

..............and the "Rightsniks" will scream louc=dly about the sentence sought.

Link: http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=954653

dra Haros/KTAR

Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas will seek the death penalty for three men accused of firing more than 100 shots in a "Latin American-style killing" in the west Valley.

Two of the three men accused in the June shooting death of Andrew Williams, near 83rd Avenue and Encanto Boulevard, are illegal immigrants with felony records.

"The capital sentences sought in this case are appropriate," said Thomas. "This case represents a troubling new trend: Latin-American style violence on the streets of Phoenix. This trend endangers neighborhoods, officers on patrol, and the public at large. We must take decisive action to stop it before it spreads."

Police said the alleged shooters wore police-style clothing and body armor, typically used for police raids. Such tactics have been commonly used by Mexican drug cartels, but previously were foreign to the United States. One of the suspects told police he had as much right to wear a uniform as police do and that officers should show him some respect.

The three suspects were tracked down in central Phoenix within hours of the shooting.
Posted by: g5m

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/09/08 10:48 AM

"Police said the alleged shooters wore police-style clothing and body armor, typically used for police raids. Such tactics have been commonly used by Mexican drug cartels, but previously were foreign to the United States. One of the suspects told police he had as much right to wear a uniform as police do and that officers should show him some respect. "


For all the folks who don't believe this is going on, I hope they read the above.
"Will the real LEO please stand up"
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/09/08 10:53 AM

Thought Provoking, and encouraging,........

Link: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=238688

Would McCain close the U.S.-Mexico border?
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 9/8/2008 11:05:00 AM

The ranking Republican on the House Immigration Subcommittee is convinced that John McCain has heard the will of the American people and will be committed to securing the border if elected president.





Congressman Steve King (R-Iowa) says there is a clear choice for voters in November when it comes to the illegal immigration issue. He notes that Senator McCain (R-Arizona) has adopted a secure-the-border-first approach, which is a step up from where any of the Democrats have been. On the other hand, King asserts Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) and the Democrats remain committed to open borders.

"It's not even close on who's stronger on immigration enforcement, border security, enforcing our laws, shutting off the jobs magnet, and ending the automatic citizenship called 'anchor babies.' We're the only the people that even talk about it," King contends. "The Democrats don't. They understand they get a tremendous political gain if they can just open the borders and flood them with people."

McCain has "gotten it," according to King, when it comes to border security.

"McCain's getting better. He has said, 'I heard the American people. I understand the message. We have to secure the border.' So I believe him on that," King says. "I've had those conversations behind closed doors with him, and I don't think John McCain is going to do anything except follow through on the word that he's given."

King believes increased workplace enforcement has already paid dividends as 1.3 million illegal aliens have self-deported to their home countries. He thinks McCain will continue a tough immigration policy.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/09/08 08:07 PM

Dhimocratic obstruction,....and obfustication,

Kettering's on track here,.....

Link: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20111922&BRD=1304&PAG=461&dept_id=180485&rfi=6

If feds won't act on immigration, Iowa may have to

By: Dana Larsen, Pilot Tribune Editor September 09, 2008

Steve Kettering doesn't pull many punches, and the hot-button issue of immigration is no exception.
"We're in the same place as we were going into last session on immigration - and that's because we didn't really do anything," Kettering said.
With Democrats in control of both chambers of the statehouse, the Lake View Republican said he and fellow GOP state legislators felt powerless to have their ideas heard on issues like illegal immigration control.
The issue is one that should have been dealt with on the federal level, he says. "In the absense of that, the state will have to do something," he says.
The issue has to start and end on the doorstep of employers.
"There are a multitude of things that can be done, but employers have to be responsible in their hiring. I think most of the businesses in our area are responsible, but people who create fraudulent documents have really perfected their art."
Kettering favors an online system for employers to use to check on the identities of their applicants, to try to weed out people getting hired using false or stolen identification. "We need to be doing that."
He also hopes the legislature can step up enforcement.
"Last year it was proposed to have a trooper for every designated area of the state who would be dedicated to dealing with illegal immigration, and other troopers with special training in immigration issues," Kettering said. "It died for lack of a second, and I don't know that it will go over any better this coming session."
Such an action is needed to help local law enforcement that may be overwhelmed in communities with large numbers of immigrants, he feels.
"I haven't heard anything coming from the mouths of those who will dictate the agenda that leads me to believe that anything will be forthcoming. I am amazed that in this state that so badly wants good jobs, it seems that we have do little respect for those who provide them, that we make it really hard for them to employ people with the regulation we have."
A strong distinction needs to be made between legal and illegal immigration in Iowa, and the former should be encouraged, the senator believes.
"There is no question we have jobs available. There needs to be a mechanism put in place that that lets people come
into the county to fill those jobs on a legal basis. It could be allowing for some form of a work visa program - I am not anti-that at all."
While Iowa has a crying need for bright young minds in particular fields - certain forms of health research, advanced math and sciences teaching and so on - it is very hard for Iowa to target such people from other countries to lure in.
"There are allocations for specific numbers of those people in each area at the federal level, and that means Iowa doesn't get many of them," the senator said. "There is also a problem with young people we attract in to be educated at our universities - they overstay their visas and without the necessary arrangements, they end up as just more illegal immigrants."
Kettering is not in favor of allowing people who are currently illegal to avoid deportation, however. "If you want to come here, great - come legally. If you don't, you can't be allowed to go to the front of the line."
Hard-hitting community raids like the one at Postville are not the best way to deal with the issue, but they are likely to happen more often in Iowa, he beleives. "A raid like Postville strikes fear into everybody. Do I think it's the best way? No - but it is going to happen, and with more frequency."
The problem would be considerably less in Iowa if the federal government would better defend the Mexican border, he said.
"Of course, it is all moot if they would handle it at the job level. If illegal immigrants can't access the jobs, there won't be illegal immigrants. That's the magnet," he said.
The staunch Republican doesn't have much to say for his party's Administration on the issue, either.
"It is not a partisan thing to say that we have had an absolute failure to defend our own borders."
Iowa hasn't done much to defend its borders, either.
"On opening day of the legislature last year, I heard the talk about how it was going to be a bipartisan effort. I suspect I'll hear the same thing on opening day this year," the senator says.
The best thing that could happen, in his opinion, would be the Republicans gaining control of an Iowa House that is split on a razor's edge, as Democrats retain their control of the Senate.
"When one party controls the power in both, there isn't much need to be bipartisan. If the control becomes split, I predict that their will suddenly be a significant increase in bipartisan effort. I think they call it the art if compromise," Kettering said.
Posted by: Kamerad_Les

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/09/08 08:09 PM

I think we need to play cowboys and Messikins!
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/10/08 08:06 AM

It took a LARGE crew from the Kiewitt Corp. 3 days to put up 40 feet,...........a clown show in progress


Fence Will Fall Far Short
Survey Data Shows Snail's Pace on Border

American Patrol Report -- September 10
Construction crew near Columbus, New Mexico was pulled off job in April.

A survey data report release by American Border Patrol shows that the federal government has added only 23 miles of new fencing since April, or about five miles per month. Based on this progress it appears very unlikely that the Department of Homeland Security will meet the legal requirement of adding 340 miles of new fencing by the end of this year.
The survey data, collected as part of Operation B.E.E.F., shows that only108 new miles of new, almost entirely single-layered fencing has been added since the signing of the Secure Fence Act of 2006 that called for 700 miles of double-layered fence. The ABP report shows that DHS has added 161 miles of vehicle barrier. ABP does not classify these barriers as fencing as they can be easily crossed by pedestrians and clearly do not meet the intent of Congress.
The Secure Fence Act was changed in December 2007 by an amendment pushed through by Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson. It gave the Secretary of Homeland Security discretion in deciding where and what type of fencing should be constructed. Some say she gutted the fence project. -- Continued here....
Here Comes the Excuse -- Out of Money
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/10/08 04:37 PM

This is going to be interesting to watch,......

....the evolution and progression of GW's veto.

""would pose significant and immediate risks to U.S. interests."

........UHhhhh, like things are all ducks in a row at this time....?



Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5992420.html

WASHINGTON — Dismissing a White House veto threat, the House voted Tuesday to end a pilot program giving Mexican trucks access to U.S. highways.

The Bush administration stressed that the United States is obligated, under the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement, to open up American roads to Mexican truckers, and that terminating the year-old demonstration project would have repercussions for American trucks allowed into Mexico. Passage of the House bill, it said "would pose significant and immediate risks to U.S. interests."

But the pilot project, which permits up to 500 trucks from 100 Mexican companies access to U.S. roads, is opposed by trucking, consumer and environmental groups who say it would eliminate American jobs and that Mexican trucks are subject to less stringent safety regulations. They say Mexico lacks adequate drug testing and hours-of service standards and that the program could contribute to smuggling or insurance fraud.

"I'm outraged that the Bush administration for political purposes would jeopardize the safety of the traveling public in the United States," said Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., chairman of the House Transportation subcommittee on highways.

The 395-18 House vote was well above the two-thirds needed to override a presidential veto. The bill would end the authority of the administration to go forward with the program without congressional approval. The Senate Appropriations Committee has attached similar language to a transportation spending bill, although that bill is unlikely to be enacted before President Bush leaves office.

Congress last December passed legislation banning funding to "establish" a program to allow U.S.-certified Mexican trucks to carry loads across the border, but the Transportation Department said that bill did not apply to a program that had already started. Several groups, including the Teamsters, Sierra Club and Public Citizen, have gone to federal court to challenge that interpretation.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, on the other hand, sent House members a letter urging opposition to the bill, saying the cross-border program "is a long overdue step toward reducing congestion and air pollution at the U.S.-Mexico border while promoting growth and jobs."

The administration last month said it intended to continue the pilot program for two more years.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/11/08 06:54 AM

This is just BOGUS,

...........we're giving Mexico over a BILLION, for "Border Protection,......

one hell of a THING TO HAVE TO POST 7 YEARS AFTER


Link: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jE_bOUpQb6MxrxSQno3N6gEdY-MAD933HQCG0

Bush's border fence to cost extra $400 million
By EILEEN SULLIVAN – 1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration needs an extra $400 million to complete its fence along the country's southwestern border, and government investigators say that may not even be enough to finish construction by the end of this year.

To complete the 670-mile fence — already half built — the administration has asked Congress to approve the use of $400 million that was set aside for surveillance technology projects along the U.S.-Mexico border, Jayson Ahern, the deputy commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told The Associated Press Tuesday.

Higher costs of fuel, steel and labor has led to the $400 million shortfall, Ahern said.

"If we run out of money, unfortunately the construction will have to stop," Ahern said. He said it is not known exactly how much extra it will cost to build each mile of the fence, because the costs differ due to varying terrain and environmental issues.

Ahern is scheduled to testify on Capitol Hill Wednesday about the fence's funding shortfalls. At the same hearing, Congress' investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office, will also tell lawmakers that the administration risks not meeting its deadline to complete the fence by the end of the year because of staffing shortages and complications with acquiring the land necessary to build the fence.

The concept of a border fence took on new life after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, which revived the heated immigration debate. Intelligence officials have said the gaps along the southwestern border could provide opportunities for terrorists to enter the country.

Critics have said the fence presents an inconsistent message about a country founded by immigrants and priding itself on opportunity.

The fence is not intended to stop illegal immigration altogether, but rather make it more difficult for people to enter the country illegally, administration officials say..

The entire plan for security on the southwestern border includes additional Border Patrol agents, more enforcement of immigration laws, a physical fence and a high-tech "virtual fence" with surveillance technology.

The administration learned the high-tech portion of the fence is more difficult than anticipated after its 28-mile test of a virtual fence in Arizona. Lawmakers have hammered the administration for what they consider a failed virtual fence plan, but Ahern and other officials have said that criticism is not fair.

While there are still plans to install virtual fencing along other parts of the border, the administration thinks it's more important to use the $400 million set aside for technology in order to complete the physical fence, Ahern said.

As for completing the fence by end of the administration, Ahern said, "We still have many challenges that remain to be overcome." Among those challenges are getting court orders to build on certain lands. "And that's out of our control," he said. He said staffing shortages, however, are not a problem.

The fencing plan affects about 480 landowners who live along or near the southwestern border. Some citizens are faced with moving out of their homes and selling their property to the government because the placement of the fence would significantly affect the value of their property. Others could accept a government payment as compensation for reduced value. As of August 26, the administration had 269 pieces of property it still needed to acquire from landowners, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Since 2006, Congress has appropriated $2.7 billion for the fence. But there's no estimate how much the entire system — the physical fence and technology — will cost to build, let alone maintain.

Border fences have been sprouting across California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas for decades — dating to the 1940s, when the International Boundary and Water Commission, an agency that deals with border issues, built 234 miles of fence to keep out foot-and-mouth disease.

As a result, the U.S. fence is a patchwork of old and new construction and in varying states of repair; the only consistency is a uniform ugliness. Over the years surveillance cameras, ground sensors and unmanned aerial drones have been used in spots along the border. But the current building spree is the first comprehensive federal push to seal the entire stretch with either physical fencing or detection and surveillance technology.

If Congress does not approve the use of an additional $400 million to build the physical fence, Ahern said, "We will exhaust our moneys and go as far as we can."
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/11/08 04:08 PM

This is funny,.....

Link: http://freedomfolks.com/blog/?p=3992

Derechos Humanos held a demonstration against Sheriff Joe Arpiao in downtown Chicago yesterday afternoon. The basic gist was that they would like there to be no border and that they really don’t like Sheriff Joe deporting Democratic voters, ahem, I of course meant to say brown people. Well, actually they say brown people (see flyer) I would say illegal aliens, not that they’re racists or anything, right?

Just a reminder that the recent symbolic beheading of Sheriff Joe was done by the same group.

anywho, lot’s of good stuff here, where to begin? Might as well lead with the craziest bit, their hilarious and ridiculous flyer…

Side A is chock-a-block full of bizarre and unprovable assertions, and when I say unprovable I mean an SPLC level of fact checking!
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/11/08 04:13 PM

Meddling Mexican,.....Vicente Fox,....dissing GW, and generally telling displaced American Workers,.........."Get over it"

Like he left the Country of Mexico in fine shape......?

SHEESH, read it yerself,...or don't.



Link: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080911/METRO/809110455/1409/METRO

Former Mexican president: Get over Michigan job losses
Ron French / The Detroit News
Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, isn't a shy man. He calls President Bush the "cockiest" politician he's ever met; he talks glowingly of John McCain and less so of Barack Obama. And, he has a message for Michigan factory workers who have lost their jobs.

Get over it.

Those jobs aren't coming back, and Michigan should focus instead on the high-tech and service industries.


"In the end, Michigan factories have to compete with factories in Mexico and China," Fox said in a telephone interview Thursday. "Companies like General Motors and Ford and Maytag don't have an option. They either close the doors and fire their workers, or they move where they can gain economic competitiveness."

Fox, an outspoken critic of U.S. immigration policies and the person most identified with American jobs moving across the border, will speak at 6:30 p.m. Friday in the Community Arts Auditorium at Wayne State University.

Fox's speech and a question-and-answer session afterward are free and open to the public, but seating is limited. Tickets can be reserved by calling (313) 577-5550 or on-line at http://www.focis.wayne.edu.

The president of Mexico from 2000-2006, Fox has promoted a North American Union similar to that of the European Union, with a single currency.

Fox argues Americans helped create economic policies such as NAFTA that moved jobs to Mexico, and now are complaining about it, even though the United States continues to benefit.

"As long as you have salaries of $15 to $20 an hour, you will keep losing jobs to economies that pay $5 an hour," Fox said. "This great nation of the United States has to understand that the way we opened our markets, was to learn how to compete. Now that we have learned how to compete, the leaders of the United States is building walls. That's a big, big mistake. We should be building bridges, building opportunities.

"The loss of manufacturing jobs is a problem not only of Michigan but of the United States, and is a product of the new economy," Fox said. "(But) you cannot look at it from an individual perspective. That's the way General Motors, Ford and Chrysler were able to compete. That is good for the Michigan economy and also good for Mexico."

Fox's biography, "Revolution of Hope," offers a less-than-glowing impression of President George W. Bush. Fox and Bush, the former Governor of Texas, were close allies when the two men came into office in 2000, but relations turned frosty after Fox rebuffed Bush's request to support the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Fox calls Bush a "windshield cowboy" and mocks his "grade-school Spanish."

The former president made it clear who he favors in the upcoming U.S. presidential election. Fox said his views are more in line with those of McCain, the Republican nominee. "What I see with McCain is experience," Fox said.
Posted by: crossfireoops

Re: Meanwhile, on the Border,..... - 09/12/08 02:54 PM

Good Lord,...what's with Aurora, Colo.?

Good point about porous brder, herein:

Link: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/20...yahoo_headlines

Another illegal immigrant case rocks Aurora
By April M. Washington, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Thursday, September 11, 2008
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Aurora police said Thursday that for the second time in a week they have arrested an illegal immigrant after a highly dangerous crash on the city's streets.

Officers arrested Hipolito Vasquez Rojas, 19, after he and a 16-year-old male accomplice allegedly stole a car, crashed into a police car, plowed into a tree and then led officers on a foot chase Wednesday night.

Rojas, who police say is a gang member, was deported in April following his release from the Adams County Jail after serving time for auto theft. It is not known how he turned up five months later in connection with a robbery and shooting.

"This is a reality for our police officers every day. We are getting beat up as to why we're not doing more? The question posed to ICE should be why isn't more being done to shut down the porous border?" said Aurora Police spokesman Bob Friel.

Court and police records show that Rojas has an extensive criminal history, including 30 felony and misdemeanor arrests mostly in Aurora for eluding police, auto theft and illegally possessing a weapon and other charges.

Rojas was also wanted by Adams County for failure to appear in court on an auto theft charge and on a national extradition warrant.

He now is being held for investigation of first-degree attempted homicide, criminal intent for first-degree assault and auto theft, police said.

Police did not identify the juvenile arrested with him. He could face similar charges as an adult, Friel said.

ICE spokes