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Secret Revealed: How Crocodiles Cross Oceans
LiveScience.com
Mon Jun 7


How did the world's largest living reptile, the saltwater crocodile, reach so many South Pacific islands separated by huge stretches of water despite being a poor swimmer?

Apparently, like a surfer catching a wave, these goliaths can ride currents on the ocean surface to cross large areas of open sea, researchers now reveal.

The saltwater or estuarine crocodile (Crocodylus porosus) is a ferocious giant that can grow at least 23 feet long (7 meters) and weigh more than 2,200 pounds (1000 kilograms). These scaly monsters have been known to devour sharks, and even attack things they can't eat, often assaulting boats in the mistaken belief they are rivals or prey, biting down with nearly 2 tons of pressure - powerful enough to crush bone or punch through aluminum hulls.

These deadly predators hunt in tropical areas throughout eastern India, southeast Asia, northern Australia, and on an untold number of the islands in-between. Although these crocodiles spend most of their lives in saltwater, they cannot be considered marine reptiles the same way sea turtles are, because the crocs rely on land for food and water.

There were already many anecdotal accounts of large crocodiles sighted far out at sea, but nothing confirmed. Now, for the first time, using sonar transmitters and satellite tracking, scientists now find that saltwater crocodiles actually do ride surface ocean currents for long-distance travel, enabling them to voyage from one oceanic island to another.

"Because these crocodiles are poor swimmers, it is unlikely that they swim across vast tracts of ocean," said researcher Hamish Campbell, a behavioral ecologist from University of Queensland in Australia. "But they can survive for long periods in saltwater without eating or drinking, so by only traveling when surface currents are favorable, they would be able to move long distances by sea."

Crocodile river travel

Working at the remote Kennedy River in northeastern Australia, the team of scientists - which included the late Steve Irwin, "The Crocodile Hunter" - tagged 27 adult seawater crocodiles with sonar transmitters, employing 20 underwater receivers deployed along a 39-mile-long stretch of the river (63 km) to track the reptiles' every move for more than 12 months. They found both male and female adult crocodiles undertook long-distance journeys, regularly traveling more than 30 miles (48 km) from their home area to the river mouth and beyond into open sea.

The scientists also discovered the "salties" always began long-distance travel within an hour of the tide changing, allowing them to go with the flow. They halted their journeys by hauling out onto the river bank or diving to the river bottom when the currents turned against them.

The researchers originally were just aiming to investigate the territorial habits of the crocodiles and how they divvied up land among themselves.

"I never thought they would be making these long-distance journeys out to sea," Campbell told LiveScience.

Riding ocean currents

After they made their discovery on the river, Campbell and his colleagues re-analyzed archival data from the few crocodiles that have been satellite tracked while undertaking ocean travel. By overlaying the reptiles' movements with surface current estimates, they found the strategy of ocean-swimming crocodiles was similar to what they employed with rivers.

One satellite-tagged crocodile, 12.6-foot-long male (3.8 meters) - left the Kennedy River and travelled 366 miles (590 km) over 25 days, timing its journey to coincide with a seasonal current system that develops in the Gulf of Carpentaria.

Another croc - a 15.8-foot-long male (4.8 meters) - traveled more than 255 miles (411 km) in only 20 days through the Torres Straits, which are notorious for strong water currents. When the reptile arrived at the straits, the currents were moving opposite to his direction of travel - he then waited in a sheltered bay for four days and only passed through the straits when the currents switched to favor his journey.

These findings could explain why this crocodile species did not split into many other species despite occupying islands across such a large range, where in principle populations could have been isolated and diverged from their relatives over time.

"Regular mixing between the island populations probably occurs," Campbell said. "Crocodilians have crossed major marine barriers during their evolutionary past."

Although scientists now know that salties seem to make long-distance journeys on purpose, "we presently do not know what these are for," Campbell noted. However, it was recently discovered that considerable numbers of the reptiles congregated to feast on an annual fish migration, so these long trips might be a way for the predators to satisfy their hefty appetites.

The scientists will detail their findings June 8 in the Journal of Animal Ecology.
It helps when you only have to eat one or twice a year to live....
True---this part rattled my cage. Two tons of pressure bite---WOW!

These scaly monsters have been known to devour sharks, and even attack things they can't eat, often assaulting boats in the mistaken belief they are rivals or prey, biting down with nearly 2 tons of pressure - powerful enough to crush bone or punch through aluminum hulls.

Fascinating material, good post.
And an American tourist killed by one in India, a few weeks ago:

http://www.newser.com/story/87944/indian-croc-kills-us-tourist.html
If you ever want to get rid of something feed it to a gator or a croc.....the end result looks like a wad of clay (chalk when dry). I watched a big one eat a 20 lb turtle. grab, flip, crunch, gone.
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Indian authorities need to realize that "a crocodile sanctuary and tourist destination cannot co-exist," she added.


Snorkeling in a crocidile sanctuary? - yikes!
Originally Posted by byc
True---this part rattled my cage. Two tons of pressure bite---WOW!

These scaly monsters have been known to devour sharks, and even attack things they can't eat, often assaulting boats in the mistaken belief they are rivals or prey, biting down with nearly 2 tons of pressure - powerful enough to crush bone or punch through aluminum hulls.


I was picturing myself in a 16' aluminum boat.
"You're gonna need a bigger boat."
this is why i don't swim in the ocean to many things that can eat you
Originally Posted by UtahLefty
It helps when you only have to eat one or twice a year to live....


Kinda what I was thinking.

Couple of 180 - 200 pound fishermen in 16 ft john boats and he's stocked up for a nice long cruise. And he can always "haul up" when the current doesn't cooperate and enjoy the occasional pygmy.
He's got no worries.
Originally Posted by UtahLefty
It helps when you only have to eat one or twice a year to live....
Yeah, but they have to drink more often than that, and they can't drink sea water.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by UtahLefty
It helps when you only have to eat one or twice a year to live....
Yeah, but they have to drink more often than that, and they can't drink sea water.


Okay so that's an interesting point. Do Sharks even drink water? To your point if they do it's likely not saltwater as you point out? Aren't they mostly made up of saltwater? I do believe that with the exception of bulls they cannot survive in fresh water...right??

In fact, do fish even drink water? Dumb question likely but just dawned on me.
What kind of water do dolphins drink?
We have salt water crocs here in Florida. Not many left, but we got 'em.
I once toured the power plant in Tampa where a significant population of gray crocks live. The warm water discharge provides a perfect habitat for them. Obviously, they are protected & I believe the power company owns them somehow & I remember something about being insured for quite a sum. Been many years so I may be wrong on this last statement.
Originally Posted by byc
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by UtahLefty
It helps when you only have to eat one or twice a year to live....
Yeah, but they have to drink more often than that, and they can't drink sea water.


Okay so that's an interesting point. Do Sharks even drink water? To your point if they do it's likely not saltwater as you point out? Aren't they mostly made up of saltwater? I do believe that with the exception of bulls they cannot survive in fresh water...right??

In fact, do fish even drink water? Dumb question likely but just dawned on me.


IIRC, sharks need a certain amount of salt in their system. That's why they can't do fresh water, the Bull shark excepted. It has specialized equipment to store salt in it's body and releases it as it's body needs it.

My wife and I snorkeled in the Great Barrier Reef off of Port Douglas many years ago. My concern then was sharks.

Seems I should have been just as concerned, or more, of the crocs.

Neither was an issue in the end, but what did get me was a jellyfish, purplish in color.......a few of it's "danglers" were left attached to my left forearm.

Ouch, big time.......................

byc - very interesting article........thanks!
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by UtahLefty
It helps when you only have to eat one or twice a year to live....
Yeah, but they have to drink more often than that, and they can't drink sea water.


any animal that can survive in salt water can drink it, they will have a gland that can get rid of the excess salt or something similar.....marine iguanas on the Galapagos excrete excess salt through a gland their nose....didnt take iguanas all that long to evolve such a thing and crocs have many million years of a head start....
The largest population of remaining American crocs in Florida live in the cooling canals of Turkey Point.


Even Gators will venture out into the ocean. Years ago, I and some scared shytless tourists, watched a good size gator riding the waves on Singer Island in the open ocean. To get where he was, he had to swim Lake Worth which is brackish to salt then out Palm Beach inlet and then north a mile in the ocean. By that point he had been swimming in salt water for several miles.
From the article: "Although these crocodiles spend most of their lives in saltwater, they cannot be considered marine reptiles the same way sea turtles are, because the crocs rely on land for food and water."
and you trust the journalists to get that right? salties have no problem drinking salt water atleast for awhile.....if they had no way to get rid of the salt how would they eat anything in salt water? crocs tend to eat in the water and when they do so injest a good amount of water.....a saltie aint gonna haul something it kills in saltwater up on land just to eat it...
Originally Posted by rattler
and you trust the journalists to get that right? salties have no problem drinking salt water atleast for awhile.....if they had no way to get rid of the salt how would they eat anything in salt water? crocs tend to eat in the water and when they do so injest a good amount of water.....a saltie aint gonna haul something it kills in saltwater up on land just to eat it...
laugh No one said salt water was toxic to salt water crocs. Apparently, however, they require a not so salty water supply for life sustaining body hydration, as they are not actually marine reptiles despite the fact that they live mostly in salt water.
Ohhh....I thought Bart was walking on water
long term its in the crocs best interest to find fresh water to drink....short term island hopping, drinking some saltwater aint gonna hurt them......their systems can deal with the excess salt....
I had no idea. As another poster said now it's not only sharks we have to watch for when diving or snorkeling.
When I was living up in PNG we would go for a drive to Oro Bay occasionaly for a change of scenery. The locals there would tell us "don't swim in the creek (tidal estuary), big pela puk puks (salties)live there" but they were quite happy to swim off the beach only 400metres from the mouth of the creek. I was quite happy to sit on the beach and look at the sea. Anyway if the puk puks didn't get you in the sea it would be a conefish or a marine stinger or a seasnake or a.......
On land at least you only had to worry about malaria carrying nat nats (mosquitos).
New thread: Crocs vs Pitbull terrier. :-)
pak
A [bleep] can easily whoop a croc with a belly full of salt water and pitbulls.
Originally Posted by pak
New thread: Crocs vs Pitbull terrier. :-)
pak
Oh, no contest. Nothing beats a Pitbull in its own weight class. Any decent 50-60 pound Pitbull would make short work of any like-sized croc.
Troll a pit bull down the Kissimmee. They make good bait for the big ones.
Even in the water?
Originally Posted by Foxbat
Troll a pit bull down the Kissimmee. They make good bait for the big ones.
You'd end up with a croc being made the unhappy plaything of a happy water-skiing Pitbull. wink
Originally Posted by pak
Even in the water?
How deep? If the Pitbull has to swim, I think that gives the edge to the croc.
Land or water that croc would be makin little pit bull turd balls in no time.
Gunner
Originally Posted by gunner500
Land or water that croc would be makin little pit bull turd balls in no time.
Gunner
You don't know Pitbulls.
And they do make fine belts, boots and wallets. Crocs not pitbulls. Maybe pitbulls make leather goods I know they are very versitle the well bred 'bulls that is. :0). I suppose it is hard to sew without an opposable thumb.
Originally Posted by pak
New thread: Crocs vs Pitbull terrier. :-)
pak


Damn. Beat me to it.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by gunner500
Land or water that croc would be makin little pit bull turd balls in no time.
Gunner
You don't know Pitbulls.


Easy way to find out...
This article makes me wonder how many ancient stories about sea monsters were the result of a salty trying to climb aboard a boat that was mistaken for a convenient landfall full of snacks. Or how many "Sea Serpents" were actually salties riding the currents?
only mammal that seems to regularly take on crocodilians of similar size to themselves is a jaguar.....tigers or leopards will occasionally mess with one but the only mammalian predator that will set out to hunt a croc like they would a deer is the jag, they seem to like lizard meat on occation....aint something canines will do or have done even though various ones including wolves over lap ranges with various species of crocs...
Originally Posted by ebd10
This article makes me wonder how many ancient stories about sea monsters were the result of a salty trying to climb aboard a boat that was mistaken for a convenient landfall full of snacks. Or how many "Sea Serpents" were actually salties riding the currents?


Great point!!! And they were likely much bigger way back when.
I ain't skeered - peering into the jaws of a giant crocodile I'll reach into my speedo and whip out my...cell phone.

"911" saves lives, doncha know.
What I find interesting is that they know the current has changed or is going in the "right" direction.

Most new boaters, and a few long term ons too, can't understand this trick.

Most of us need highly developed technologies to know the direction of a current.

Was at Cabo several years ago and was challenged by my good friends son to a race to a buoyed line about a quarter mile off shore; the water was an opaque turquoise--couldn't see your hand under the water..heard the two-note theme of JAWS the whole way out and back. Never thought about crocs..in retrospect probably not a very smart thing to do.

Actually, I believe there are some species of jellyfish that do more folk in every year than either crocs or sharks but I could be statistically challenged on that. Not particularly comforting anyway. grin
once you get in past your knees you become part of the food chain
Originally Posted by byc
"You're gonna need a bigger boat."


A battleship??????? eek
Originally Posted by goodnews

Actually, I believe there are some species of jellyfish that do more folk in every year than either crocs or sharks but I could be statistically challenged on that. Not particularly comforting anyway. grin


Thinking you are 100% dead-on---(no pun intended). Certain Jellyfish bites result in darn near instant death. Frankly, I always thought there was one of just about every species that could inflict instant death when injected with whatever venomous junk.
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