Gov Brewer on the border warning signs.... - 06/26/10
Damned straight.
Damned straight.
Sounds like she needs to call up the militia now. Seriously.
We're watching History in the making here,.....
Thanks for putting that up.
GTC
Thanks for putting that up.
GTC
Ya how many millions did the tax payers have to divy up for signs what an insult to the American public
I reckon this is suitable /topical material to accompany this EXCELLENT post, no hijack intended.
GTC
Text of Letter from Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer to President Obama, as provided by her office
June 23, 2010
Dear Mr. President:
Thank you for the opportunity to visit with you in person during my recent trip to Washington, D.C. As you know, the issue of border security is foremost in the thoughts of many Arizonans and Americans alike, and I appreciated the chance to personally relate to you my concerns and outline my proposed solutions.
Mr. President, the need for action to secure Arizona�s border could not be clearer. Recently, my office received a number of calls from constituents concerned at reports of new sign postings in interior counties of Arizona warning residents not to access federal lands due to criminal activity associated with the border. These warnings signal to some that we have handed over portions of our border areas to illegal immigrants and drug traffickers. This is unacceptable.
Instead of warning Americans to stay out of parts of our own country, we ought to be warning international lawbreakers that they will be detained and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We ought to be establishing measures to ensure that illegal traffic of any sort is kept to an absolute minimum, and that Americans are safe and secure within our own borders.
When we visited, you committed to present details, within two weeks of our meeting, regarding your plans to commit National Guard troops to the Arizona border and expend $500 million in additional funds on border security matters. You also discussed sending members of your senior staff to Arizona to discuss your plans. While I am pleased the 28th has been set for a meeting time and we have reviewed a copy of the Department of Homeland Security�s �Southwest Border Next Steps� Press Release, I am still awaiting details on National Guard deployments and how the proposed additional border security funding will specifically affect Arizona (and the other Border States).
As I mentioned to you on June 3rd, it is very difficult to have much of a dialogue without specific details regarding your proposals. I strongly urge you to request your staff provide us with missing details of your proposals prior to the meeting on the 28th.
While we await the specific details of your border security plans, I wanted to take the time to reemphasize some of what I shared with you and respond further to some of what we discussed. In essence, I have proposed a four-point Border Surge strategy, as outlined in my recent letter to Senator Charles Schumer, summarized as follows:
1. National Guard Personnel and Aviation
I believe a significant number of troops operating with a legitimate mission set is an essential part of any strategy to secure the border. I appreciate your commitment of 1,200 troops and the promise that Arizona would receive the largest contingent. I am concerned, however, that more is required, such as the deployment of 6,000 personnel proposed by Senators Jon Kyl and John McCain for the entire southwestern border.
In addition, I want to make sure that these troops have legitimate missions that:
� Support federal, state and local law enforcement�all three!
� Serve as a blocking force to stop illegal crossing activities.
� Employ the troops in a way that speaks loudly to all�both north and south of the border�that the U.S. is serious about this matter.
As part of your commitment, I also hope that you order a significant increase in aviation resources supporting border security operations on the ground. After meeting and talking to various experts, I am persuaded that aviation support is critical to the effort on the ground. Any effort will fail absent the ability to coordinate ground assets from the air, particularly given the nature of much of Arizona�s border region terrain.
I respectfully ask that you give serious consideration to my May 20, 2010 correspondence, which makes a very reasonable request for a reallocation of National Guard OH-58 helicopter assets in order to make a Border Surge effective. Your support of this request can make a significant difference between a winning effort versus a losing effort.
2. Border Fence
In short Mr. President, we need to complete, reinforce and then maintain the border fence. In my April 6, 2010 letter to you I proposed inmate labor and other methods (i.e., purchasing instead of leasing equipment) as a means to bring down construction/maintenance costs.
I certainly support efficient and effective Ports of Entry where both American and Mexican border officials can allow legal traffic and crossings. Everywhere else along the border, though, I strongly believe we must have fencing and barriers that are both substantial and monitored if the illegal crossings are to be minimized.
3. Enforce Federal Law and Appropriately Fund the Effort
The United States must be prepared to detain, prosecute and then incarcerate convicted violators of United States laws. The current �no consequences policy� has resulted in a border security failure. I appreciate your general proposal to commit additional resources, but it is very difficult for me to comment without any details.
It is without doubt, though, that the current border policy will continue to fail the State of Arizona without additional resources committed to the Border Patrol, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) personnel and detention facilities; prosecution; public defense; and federal prisons.
4. Reimburse States for the Additional Burden of Illegal Immigration
As I mentioned the very first time we met last year, I must continue the calls for Arizona to be reimbursed for expenses we are forced to carry because of our porous southern border. Arizona and a few other states are at a terrible disadvantage in good times, and an even worse position during bad times, because of the additional costs of illegal immigration.
Just in terms of state prison costs, we estimate ongoing expenses at approximately $150 million to incarcerate criminal aliens. While substantial on its own, this figure does not include law enforcement, prosecution and defense costs, or the enormous societal costs of the criminal behavior of those who are not even legally entitled to be here.
We are hundreds of millions of dollars short of what we should receive to relieve the disproportionate law enforcement/jail/prison, health care and education burdens we face due to our porous southern border and rampant illegal immigration. It is simply unfair for the federal government to force Border State taxpayers to carry these burdens.
Immigration Reform
You shared with me your thoughts about the matter of immigration reform and I am grateful you listened to mine. As I mentioned in our meeting, the phrase �comprehensive immigration reform� is code for �amnesty� to many in Arizona and elsewhere in our Nation.
Many Americans are still waiting for the reforms that were promised by the federal government in the 1980s when amnesty was granted to thousands of illegal immigrants. Until we establish a secure border, and reestablish trust with the public that our international borders are meaningful and important, and enforcement of federal immigration law is not an idle threat, any discussion of �comprehensive reform� is premature.
Mexico border Fence
Let�s first block illegal entry into the United States and enforce current law, and then other discussions, including immigration reform, might then, and only then, make sense to the public. I am committed to a serious discussion of legitimate reform�but not any false front for amnesty�when the federal government halts the free flow of illegal immigrants and illegal drugs across the southwestern border.
Arizona�s Law
You also shared some concerns about a �patchwork� approach to policy. This makes sense to me, but the failure of the federal government has driven frustration levels to the point that tolerating the status quo is no longer acceptable for Arizona. From my perspective, the single most significant factor behind the passage this year of SB 1070 and HB 2162 (the follow-up bill with amendments to SB 1070) was the frustration of Arizona elected officials, and the public we serve, regarding the failure of the federal government over the years to effectively address the problem of illegal immigration.
The growing concerns over spillover violence, the increased awareness of kidnappings, the spread of drop houses in neighborhoods throughout metropolitan areas, the scourge of the drug trade and the oppressive financial burdens posed by illegal immigration�burdens even more difficult to shoulder in this economic downturn�all contributed to accelerating the public�s frustration.
I am 100% committed to fair and just enforcement of the new Arizona law. I have made it clear that civil rights will not be compromised. The first step has been educating and training law enforcement, as well as the public, on the details of the law�a step I have already ordered in Arizona.
Instead of any discussion about suing Arizona and not cooperating with the efforts of local Arizona law enforcement to address illegal immigration, the federal government should reassure Arizona (and other states) that securing the border and enforcing federal immigration laws are duties to which the federal government will make a renewed and sincere commitment.
When the public sees consistent evidence of federal commitment, I am convinced the demand for state actions will wane. State and local governments have plenty to do and will be happy to stay out of border security and immigration law enforcement�along with the expenses of such work�if the federal government takes a firm and effective grip on the problem.
Conclusion
In closing, I want to assure you that I am looking to develop a solution, not have a standoff, with you and the federal government. Illegal immigration is a serious problem and I am sincerely committed to seeing something done to curb it.
The real challenges at hand are about violent crime, huge taxpayer burdens, the rule of law and ensuring that our southern border does not become an open door for radical terrorists. Commerce with other countries is important to me and Arizonans�I truly want a vibrant and positive relationship with Sonora, other Mexican States and the rest of the world. Federal immigration law, however, must be honored and enforced, and our border must represent an effective means to help ensure our sovereignty and security.
I remain eager to receive the specific details of your proposals and to have the follow-up meeting with your senior staff. It is disappointing that we are such a short time away from the meeting and Arizona and the other Border States still are awaiting the specific details of what you are proposing. There is still time, however, to ensure the meeting next week is productive.
Finally, I want to re-extend the invitation I made to you to come to Arizona yourself, visit with families living along the southwestern border and see the situation firsthand. My prior visits to the border and the air survey of the Cochise County region have been very important to shaping my perspectives and thinking. Governor Richardson joined me for one trip and I believe you would also benefit from such an experience.
And when you do come, lunch is on me!
Yours in service to the great state of Arizona,
Janice K. Brewer
GTC
Text of Letter from Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer to President Obama, as provided by her office
June 23, 2010
Dear Mr. President:
Thank you for the opportunity to visit with you in person during my recent trip to Washington, D.C. As you know, the issue of border security is foremost in the thoughts of many Arizonans and Americans alike, and I appreciated the chance to personally relate to you my concerns and outline my proposed solutions.
Mr. President, the need for action to secure Arizona�s border could not be clearer. Recently, my office received a number of calls from constituents concerned at reports of new sign postings in interior counties of Arizona warning residents not to access federal lands due to criminal activity associated with the border. These warnings signal to some that we have handed over portions of our border areas to illegal immigrants and drug traffickers. This is unacceptable.
Instead of warning Americans to stay out of parts of our own country, we ought to be warning international lawbreakers that they will be detained and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We ought to be establishing measures to ensure that illegal traffic of any sort is kept to an absolute minimum, and that Americans are safe and secure within our own borders.
When we visited, you committed to present details, within two weeks of our meeting, regarding your plans to commit National Guard troops to the Arizona border and expend $500 million in additional funds on border security matters. You also discussed sending members of your senior staff to Arizona to discuss your plans. While I am pleased the 28th has been set for a meeting time and we have reviewed a copy of the Department of Homeland Security�s �Southwest Border Next Steps� Press Release, I am still awaiting details on National Guard deployments and how the proposed additional border security funding will specifically affect Arizona (and the other Border States).
As I mentioned to you on June 3rd, it is very difficult to have much of a dialogue without specific details regarding your proposals. I strongly urge you to request your staff provide us with missing details of your proposals prior to the meeting on the 28th.
While we await the specific details of your border security plans, I wanted to take the time to reemphasize some of what I shared with you and respond further to some of what we discussed. In essence, I have proposed a four-point Border Surge strategy, as outlined in my recent letter to Senator Charles Schumer, summarized as follows:
1. National Guard Personnel and Aviation
I believe a significant number of troops operating with a legitimate mission set is an essential part of any strategy to secure the border. I appreciate your commitment of 1,200 troops and the promise that Arizona would receive the largest contingent. I am concerned, however, that more is required, such as the deployment of 6,000 personnel proposed by Senators Jon Kyl and John McCain for the entire southwestern border.
In addition, I want to make sure that these troops have legitimate missions that:
� Support federal, state and local law enforcement�all three!
� Serve as a blocking force to stop illegal crossing activities.
� Employ the troops in a way that speaks loudly to all�both north and south of the border�that the U.S. is serious about this matter.
As part of your commitment, I also hope that you order a significant increase in aviation resources supporting border security operations on the ground. After meeting and talking to various experts, I am persuaded that aviation support is critical to the effort on the ground. Any effort will fail absent the ability to coordinate ground assets from the air, particularly given the nature of much of Arizona�s border region terrain.
I respectfully ask that you give serious consideration to my May 20, 2010 correspondence, which makes a very reasonable request for a reallocation of National Guard OH-58 helicopter assets in order to make a Border Surge effective. Your support of this request can make a significant difference between a winning effort versus a losing effort.
2. Border Fence
In short Mr. President, we need to complete, reinforce and then maintain the border fence. In my April 6, 2010 letter to you I proposed inmate labor and other methods (i.e., purchasing instead of leasing equipment) as a means to bring down construction/maintenance costs.
I certainly support efficient and effective Ports of Entry where both American and Mexican border officials can allow legal traffic and crossings. Everywhere else along the border, though, I strongly believe we must have fencing and barriers that are both substantial and monitored if the illegal crossings are to be minimized.
3. Enforce Federal Law and Appropriately Fund the Effort
The United States must be prepared to detain, prosecute and then incarcerate convicted violators of United States laws. The current �no consequences policy� has resulted in a border security failure. I appreciate your general proposal to commit additional resources, but it is very difficult for me to comment without any details.
It is without doubt, though, that the current border policy will continue to fail the State of Arizona without additional resources committed to the Border Patrol, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) personnel and detention facilities; prosecution; public defense; and federal prisons.
4. Reimburse States for the Additional Burden of Illegal Immigration
As I mentioned the very first time we met last year, I must continue the calls for Arizona to be reimbursed for expenses we are forced to carry because of our porous southern border. Arizona and a few other states are at a terrible disadvantage in good times, and an even worse position during bad times, because of the additional costs of illegal immigration.
Just in terms of state prison costs, we estimate ongoing expenses at approximately $150 million to incarcerate criminal aliens. While substantial on its own, this figure does not include law enforcement, prosecution and defense costs, or the enormous societal costs of the criminal behavior of those who are not even legally entitled to be here.
We are hundreds of millions of dollars short of what we should receive to relieve the disproportionate law enforcement/jail/prison, health care and education burdens we face due to our porous southern border and rampant illegal immigration. It is simply unfair for the federal government to force Border State taxpayers to carry these burdens.
Immigration Reform
You shared with me your thoughts about the matter of immigration reform and I am grateful you listened to mine. As I mentioned in our meeting, the phrase �comprehensive immigration reform� is code for �amnesty� to many in Arizona and elsewhere in our Nation.
Many Americans are still waiting for the reforms that were promised by the federal government in the 1980s when amnesty was granted to thousands of illegal immigrants. Until we establish a secure border, and reestablish trust with the public that our international borders are meaningful and important, and enforcement of federal immigration law is not an idle threat, any discussion of �comprehensive reform� is premature.
Mexico border Fence
Let�s first block illegal entry into the United States and enforce current law, and then other discussions, including immigration reform, might then, and only then, make sense to the public. I am committed to a serious discussion of legitimate reform�but not any false front for amnesty�when the federal government halts the free flow of illegal immigrants and illegal drugs across the southwestern border.
Arizona�s Law
You also shared some concerns about a �patchwork� approach to policy. This makes sense to me, but the failure of the federal government has driven frustration levels to the point that tolerating the status quo is no longer acceptable for Arizona. From my perspective, the single most significant factor behind the passage this year of SB 1070 and HB 2162 (the follow-up bill with amendments to SB 1070) was the frustration of Arizona elected officials, and the public we serve, regarding the failure of the federal government over the years to effectively address the problem of illegal immigration.
The growing concerns over spillover violence, the increased awareness of kidnappings, the spread of drop houses in neighborhoods throughout metropolitan areas, the scourge of the drug trade and the oppressive financial burdens posed by illegal immigration�burdens even more difficult to shoulder in this economic downturn�all contributed to accelerating the public�s frustration.
I am 100% committed to fair and just enforcement of the new Arizona law. I have made it clear that civil rights will not be compromised. The first step has been educating and training law enforcement, as well as the public, on the details of the law�a step I have already ordered in Arizona.
Instead of any discussion about suing Arizona and not cooperating with the efforts of local Arizona law enforcement to address illegal immigration, the federal government should reassure Arizona (and other states) that securing the border and enforcing federal immigration laws are duties to which the federal government will make a renewed and sincere commitment.
When the public sees consistent evidence of federal commitment, I am convinced the demand for state actions will wane. State and local governments have plenty to do and will be happy to stay out of border security and immigration law enforcement�along with the expenses of such work�if the federal government takes a firm and effective grip on the problem.
Conclusion
In closing, I want to assure you that I am looking to develop a solution, not have a standoff, with you and the federal government. Illegal immigration is a serious problem and I am sincerely committed to seeing something done to curb it.
The real challenges at hand are about violent crime, huge taxpayer burdens, the rule of law and ensuring that our southern border does not become an open door for radical terrorists. Commerce with other countries is important to me and Arizonans�I truly want a vibrant and positive relationship with Sonora, other Mexican States and the rest of the world. Federal immigration law, however, must be honored and enforced, and our border must represent an effective means to help ensure our sovereignty and security.
I remain eager to receive the specific details of your proposals and to have the follow-up meeting with your senior staff. It is disappointing that we are such a short time away from the meeting and Arizona and the other Border States still are awaiting the specific details of what you are proposing. There is still time, however, to ensure the meeting next week is productive.
Finally, I want to re-extend the invitation I made to you to come to Arizona yourself, visit with families living along the southwestern border and see the situation firsthand. My prior visits to the border and the air survey of the Cochise County region have been very important to shaping my perspectives and thinking. Governor Richardson joined me for one trip and I believe you would also benefit from such an experience.
And when you do come, lunch is on me!
Yours in service to the great state of Arizona,
Janice K. Brewer
I'd have to say, were I inclined to say something at all, that team Brewer is ready for confrontation with team dingle by his berries...
I have been thinking about this issue as I drive. Listening to FOX on my XM about the armed outposts on those hill tops and ICE does nothing. If they were Christians Americans up there with automatic weapons they would be shot off the tops of those hills or burned out in a mater of days. BATF would never allow legal citizens to get away with that crap.
0bama is going to slip Brewer the sausage.
As noted, .....American History, unfolding right in front of our very eyes.
That's a disturbing, but valid point you're making, Scott.
I don't think a little prayer is at all out of order.
GTC
That's a disturbing, but valid point you're making, Scott.
I don't think a little prayer is at all out of order.
GTC
Once again, we are on the same page.
Authorize hunting and shooting. open season on, drug runners!
Charlie
Charlie
Authorize hunting and shooting. open season on, drug runners!
Charlie
Charlie
Authorize hunting and shooting. open season on, drug runners!
Charlie
Charlie
Oh no, we're back to hunting...
Seriously, it could not be clearer that the marxist obama has no intention of stopping the illegal influx. Period. He wants it to continue and he wants to finagle a way to allow them the vote in Nov and with the help of acorn and other treasonous organinzations, get this new voting block to the polls.
So, I think we're actually beyond hunting at this point.
I think we should be connecting up for even more serious social work.
Seriously, it could not be clearer that the marxist obama has no intention of stopping the illegal influx. Period. He wants it to continue and he wants to finagle a way to allow them the vote in Nov and with the help of acorn and other treasonous organinzations, get this new voting block to the polls.
So, I think we're actually beyond hunting at this point.
I think we should be connecting up for even more serious social work.
Ya'know, if you look at the threats in place against Nogales (Az.) Police Officers as the latest "Barometer Reading", it's more than likely that a scenario such as what you're proposing there would quickly escalate into a full blown shooting war.
If we're going to go there, we'd better exhaust every other practical option first.
I'm wondering where Rupert Murdoch's latest little stunt is going to leave us , in terms of MSM coverage.
GTC
If we're going to go there, we'd better exhaust every other practical option first.
I'm wondering where Rupert Murdoch's latest little stunt is going to leave us , in terms of MSM coverage.
GTC
I think she should try and bypass the Feds and seek help from neighboring States. Maybe she could work out a deal for building a fence and border patrol, especially with states that are looking to pass similar legislation.
This is way beyond getting old...
There was an article in the Arizona Daily (RED) Star today where 18 more states are considering SB1070 type laws. 
Of course they buried it in the middle of the paper. Maybe if a few more states jump in we can get something done.
I'm quite sure that the Buffoon in Chief will make sure one of his liberal judges will do an injunctionor something to prevent the law from going into effect.
Ss far as WE THE PEOPLE of Arizona doing something about it, if we went to the border to stop the drug runners, Obama would have the National Guard on the border so damn fast your heads would spin. They'd be there to protect the poor drug runners who are only trying to make a decent living while us racists would probably be shot on site.
I don't think we have a government anymore, just a group of potential dictators who should be removed as soon as possible, preferably come November.
Paul B.
Of course they buried it in the middle of the paper. Maybe if a few more states jump in we can get something done.
I'm quite sure that the Buffoon in Chief will make sure one of his liberal judges will do an injunctionor something to prevent the law from going into effect.
Ss far as WE THE PEOPLE of Arizona doing something about it, if we went to the border to stop the drug runners, Obama would have the National Guard on the border so damn fast your heads would spin. They'd be there to protect the poor drug runners who are only trying to make a decent living while us racists would probably be shot on site.
I don't think we have a government anymore, just a group of potential dictators who should be removed as soon as possible, preferably come November.
Paul B.
Paul,........I like you, but in this case HATE to agree with you.
In this case, I fear I must.
Keep your Powder dry.
GTC
In this case, I fear I must.
Keep your Powder dry.
GTC
If this doesn't boil over before the summer is out I will be amazed and in awe of Y'all living it daily.
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I'm wondering where Rupert Murdoch's latest little stunt is going to leave us , in terms of MSM coverage.
Just back from the weekly "Flea market" , Terry.
That damned Thomas Magnum has hatched out a malevolent plot about some old rolling block rifle, that was really a ruse to interest me in a .58 cal "Howdah Pistol". He and a fellow I thought was
While perusing it, at my Bud's display, an bunch of our "Younger Neighbors" form the south came by the small row of firearms related display tables. They did everything but go into a full public masturbation display over normal everyday American arms.
One incredibly obese young specimen was intrigued by a Flak vest ( Size Small),......copped a serious attitude when told there were'nt three more to sew together with it.
The HOSTILITY displayed, when told to keep hands off, and move along would have to be seen , and experienced first hand, to be believed.........I've never seen this level before, and it looks "Pre Programmed"
We NEED some translated transcript of recent MEXICAN MSM,.....I think the connection will be easy to make, from there.
A lot of the "Old Ambience" that so many of us came here for, is gone,....or going fast.
Sad, this whole mess.
GTC.
GTC
That damned Thomas Magnum has hatched out a malevolent plot about some old rolling block rifle, that was really a ruse to interest me in a .58 cal "Howdah Pistol". He and a fellow I thought was
While perusing it, at my Bud's display, an bunch of our "Younger Neighbors" form the south came by the small row of firearms related display tables. They did everything but go into a full public masturbation display over normal everyday American arms.
One incredibly obese young specimen was intrigued by a Flak vest ( Size Small),......copped a serious attitude when told there were'nt three more to sew together with it.
The HOSTILITY displayed, when told to keep hands off, and move along would have to be seen , and experienced first hand, to be believed.........I've never seen this level before, and it looks "Pre Programmed"
We NEED some translated transcript of recent MEXICAN MSM,.....I think the connection will be easy to make, from there.
A lot of the "Old Ambience" that so many of us came here for, is gone,....or going fast.
Sad, this whole mess.
GTC.
GTC
Originally Posted by RickyD
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I'm wondering where Rupert Murdoch's latest little stunt is going to leave us , in terms of MSM coverage.
Murdoch is putting his entire (and not insubstantial) support behind the amnesty program that Obee's crowd are pushing so hard.
Story broke a coupla' days ago, and than vanished.
GTC
Excellent post! I like Gov. Brewer! I used to hunt north of Douglas AZ. Saw lots of sign of illegal traffic.
Don't surprise me in the least. I believe it will start from south of the border, not from our side. But when it does, "Katie Bar The Door".
Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Just back from the weekly "Flea market" , Terry.
That damned Thomas Magnum has hatched out a malevolent plot about some old rolling block rifle, that was really a ruse to interest me in a .58 cal "Howdah Pistol". He and a fellow I thought was
While perusing it, at my Bud's display, an bunch of our "Younger Neighbors" form the south came by the small row of firearms related display tables. They did everything but go into a full public masturbation display over normal everyday American arms.
One incredibly obese young specimen was intrigued by a Flak vest ( Size Small),......copped a serious attitude when told there were'nt three more to sew together with it.
The HOSTILITY displayed, when told to keep hands off, and move along would have to be seen , and experienced first hand, to be believed.........I've never seen this level before, and it looks "Pre Programmed"
We NEED some translated transcript of recent MEXICAN MSM,.....I think the connection will be easy to make, from there.
A lot of the "Old Ambience" that so many of us came here for, is gone,....or going fast.
Sad, this whole mess.
GTC.
I started noticing a few years ago the change in "ambience" Hard to put into words, but it is there. Particularly when you get out in some of the rural areas, and you are outnumbered.
GTC
That damned Thomas Magnum has hatched out a malevolent plot about some old rolling block rifle, that was really a ruse to interest me in a .58 cal "Howdah Pistol". He and a fellow I thought was
While perusing it, at my Bud's display, an bunch of our "Younger Neighbors" form the south came by the small row of firearms related display tables. They did everything but go into a full public masturbation display over normal everyday American arms.
One incredibly obese young specimen was intrigued by a Flak vest ( Size Small),......copped a serious attitude when told there were'nt three more to sew together with it.
The HOSTILITY displayed, when told to keep hands off, and move along would have to be seen , and experienced first hand, to be believed.........I've never seen this level before, and it looks "Pre Programmed"
We NEED some translated transcript of recent MEXICAN MSM,.....I think the connection will be easy to make, from there.
A lot of the "Old Ambience" that so many of us came here for, is gone,....or going fast.
Sad, this whole mess.
GTC.
I started noticing a few years ago the change in "ambience" Hard to put into words, but it is there. Particularly when you get out in some of the rural areas, and you are outnumbered.
GTC
Hell G if i would would have known you were intrested in the howdah pistol we could have cut Rory clean out of the deal 
I think there are a large number of Americans ready to sign up - just waiting for the green light...
We need some cohesive organization...
And what kinda howdah?![[Linked Image]](http://three-dog.homelinux.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/coffee.gif)
We need some cohesive organization...
And what kinda howdah?
Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Originally Posted by RickyD
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I'm wondering where Rupert Murdoch's latest little stunt is going to leave us , in terms of MSM coverage.
Murdoch is putting his entire (and not insubstantial) support behind the amnesty program that Obee's crowd are pushing so hard.
Story broke a coupla' days ago, and than vanished.
GTC
Pedersoli rifled .58 caliber muzzle stuffer.
![[Linked Image]](http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/magnumthomas/100_0298.jpg)
![[Linked Image]](http://three-dog.homelinux.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/smiley31.gif)
Originally Posted by THOMASMAGNUM
Pedersoli rifled .58 caliber muzzle stuffer.
You were supposed to bring that to the Texas hog hunt!
And some guys think a 44 mag will rock their world.
I got to fondle that thing a bit today, there's really nothing to "Scale" offa' in the pic.
....It's BIG !
....It's BIG !
Yes they are, and stuff 75 grains of FFg behind that punkin ball and it is a terror!
Originally Posted by PJGunner
There was an article in the Arizona Daily (RED) Star today where 18 more states are considering SB1070 type laws.
Of course they buried it in the middle of the paper. Maybe if a few more states jump in we can get something done.
I'm quite sure that the Buffoon in Chief will make sure one of his liberal judges will do an injunctionor something to prevent the law from going into effect.
Ss far as WE THE PEOPLE of Arizona doing something about it, if we went to the border to stop the drug runners, Obama would have the National Guard on the border so damn fast your heads would spin. They'd be there to protect the poor drug runners who are only trying to make a decent living while us racists would probably be shot on site.
I don't think we have a government anymore, just a group of potential dictators who should be removed as soon as possible, preferably come November.
Paul B.
Of course they buried it in the middle of the paper. Maybe if a few more states jump in we can get something done.
I'm quite sure that the Buffoon in Chief will make sure one of his liberal judges will do an injunctionor something to prevent the law from going into effect.
Ss far as WE THE PEOPLE of Arizona doing something about it, if we went to the border to stop the drug runners, Obama would have the National Guard on the border so damn fast your heads would spin. They'd be there to protect the poor drug runners who are only trying to make a decent living while us racists would probably be shot on site.
I don't think we have a government anymore, just a group of potential dictators who should be removed as soon as possible, preferably come November.
Paul B.
Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by PJGunner
There was an article in the Arizona Daily (RED) Star today where 18 more states are considering SB1070 type laws.
Of course they buried it in the middle of the paper. Maybe if a few more states jump in we can get something done.
I'm quite sure that the Buffoon in Chief will make sure one of his liberal judges will do an injunctionor something to prevent the law from going into effect.
Ss far as WE THE PEOPLE of Arizona doing something about it, if we went to the border to stop the drug runners, Obama would have the National Guard on the border so damn fast your heads would spin. They'd be there to protect the poor drug runners who are only trying to make a decent living while us racists would probably be shot on site.
I don't think we have a government anymore, just a group of potential dictators who should be removed as soon as possible, preferably come November.
Paul B.
Of course they buried it in the middle of the paper. Maybe if a few more states jump in we can get something done.
I'm quite sure that the Buffoon in Chief will make sure one of his liberal judges will do an injunctionor something to prevent the law from going into effect.
Ss far as WE THE PEOPLE of Arizona doing something about it, if we went to the border to stop the drug runners, Obama would have the National Guard on the border so damn fast your heads would spin. They'd be there to protect the poor drug runners who are only trying to make a decent living while us racists would probably be shot on site.
I don't think we have a government anymore, just a group of potential dictators who should be removed as soon as possible, preferably come November.
Paul B.
That's my concern right now... I'm all for letting the system work but if it is circumvented, then all bets are off.
it's times like these where the stupidity of politicians never ceases to amaze me.
i work with a guy who is extremely liberal, and HE doesn't even understand why obama doesn't commit the gaurd, build the fence, etc etc.
if obama would take care of this issue (which we all know wouldn't be that big of a deal to do), it would likely propel him straight to a second term in office, regardless of what most of us on the fire think about the jagoff.
but no, the dumbass is gonna sue arizona. unbelievable. i guess since it wasn't his idea, it's not a good one...
i work with a guy who is extremely liberal, and HE doesn't even understand why obama doesn't commit the gaurd, build the fence, etc etc.
if obama would take care of this issue (which we all know wouldn't be that big of a deal to do), it would likely propel him straight to a second term in office, regardless of what most of us on the fire think about the jagoff.
but no, the dumbass is gonna sue arizona. unbelievable. i guess since it wasn't his idea, it's not a good one...
Originally Posted by smalljawbasser
i guess since it wasn't his idea, it's not a good one...
I think actually that we might be moving towards securing our own border.... Thats probably what makes it not a good idea in his mind. Heaven knows the last thing he wants is the border tightened... Might uspet another nation that he would have to bow and appologize to.
If there was just some way for the States to short-circuit the feds, cause a few lawsuits, I think I know which side would come out on top.
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