Lindsay Lohan is a shapely blonde celebrity, so she's a "troubled actress" when she flouts the law.

If she were Murtle Mestup, whom nobody had heard-of, she'd be just another slut.

She seems to have a problem with alcohol.

Too many people do.

Tough crowd...

I'd say that Lindsay is a good representative of that generation. Sad. I wish her the best and hope she gets her act together.

That's more like it..

Who's Lindsay Lohan?

I can't see kicking the gal when she's down. She'll do her time, and hopefully be the better for it.

I can't see how DUI arrest equals slut?...

I'm with Ken--

You are right.

I was being cruel when I was just trying to be funny.

edit coming.

She goes around without any underbritches on too,....throws her leg all up in the air when she's gettin' outta cars to demonstrate it on occasion.

I'm gettin' kinda old and a lot of the new stuff that's goin' around kinda baffles me,...but I ain't gonna kick about young women wearing short skirts, no underbritches, and shavin' they booger baldern a monkey's ass.

I ain't a part of it much these days, but I can still observe.

Not even sure she likes guys for that matter.

she is a beauty..

She's a mess. A seriously screwed up human being. Hollywood culture tends to do that to a person.

Hell has a special place for people who take pictures of young women getting out of cars, and then publish the photos when they get a revealing photo.. Despicable, IMO.

maybe not

Even if they intentionally go out with no underbritches on and throw they legs all here and there when they gettin' out the car?

No publicity is bad publicity, guy.

Talented actress and above-average singer. Product of a broken home; ex-con father and a fairly air-headed mom. Had a couple of hit movies in her late teens, and she wasn't ready for the success.

When she's on - and not distracted, she is a pretty darn impressive actress. I hope jail does her some good, like it did Robert Downey Jr.

+ 1

there are some things it's best to stay out of.... this is one of 'em.

also, it ain't 'cool' in any era to go outta your way to show the goods... JMO...YMMV...

she ain't worth my time to comment. but i like this new 'puter... a lot...

-tom

Linday has no trouble getting publicity. Sleazeball photographers taking shots up girls skirts, with or without underwear should be illegal, IMO.

If a woman throws her beaver up in front of a camera and nobody takes a pic of it,..she's gonna be pissed.

Hell hath no fury like a beaver scorned.

Getting out of a vehicle is hardly throwing up her beaver.. Give me a break.

I suppose you have looked at all the pictures.. I'll take your word for it I guess.

Sure it is,..it's a recent trend for the young female Hollywood set.

If they ain't gettin' enough attention, they take off their underbritches and flash their business at the cameras.

To wear or not to wear underwear in public, HER choice. Her choice to leave open every possibility that she will be photographed while she is without, all in the aid of free "Publicity", trashy publicity, but publicity none the less.

Her acting days are pretty much over, she's come down from America's Sweetheart to ready to serve "Sleazebucket" as she will soon exhibit in her new up and coming movie "Lovelace" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1426329/.

Or.. They have a bunch of sleazy photographers who know they can make big bucks with an up the skirt shot, so they crowd around vehicles they are exiting from and with enough camera angles, and enough vehicle exits, they eventually get their shot.

I'm sure it provides you with an endless supply of whackin material Bristoe, but that is some sleezy chit right there.

She's never gonna marry ya,....get over it.

Wasn't eactly like see was sliding out of a F-250 either. Think it was Hilton's McLaren IIRC.

So I'm sure you'd be fine of some guy took a picture of you getting out of a vehicle wearing a skirt and posted it all over the 'net.. Just to keep things fair and all. How about going up an escalator at the mall?

If she went to a photo shoot and was paid for flashing her goods, then yeah. But given she was exiting a vehicle, you can't fault her for that.

BTW, she'll be back. Remember when everybody said Brittney was done?

What's your favorite internet site that shows those pics? You got it bookmarked?

You make her sound like Douglas fuggin' McArthur.

She's back ? When ? Where ? The only time she hits the news is when she pulls some other whack job stunt, other than that she's back to nothing. Nowhere.

CalvinluvsLindsey.com

Lohan like so many other kids her age, fail to see the severity of their actions or the seriousness of prospective punishment until it raises up and bite them in the ass. Then you usually see shock and disbelief..Me thinks this time around the judge struck home, look for an attitude adjustment.

Good move. All you had.

Now Douglas McArthur, he had some issues!!!

She prefers women. Unless of course there is something we don't know about Calvin

You need to pay a little closer attention.

Nothing like a woman weighing in on hot chick threads

Give me a break. Take a hike.

She advertises her wares, and the photographers answer the ad. In the end she gets some part of her drug and alcohol infested body in a paper, magazine or TV show and for two and one half seconds somebody remembers she exists. Sad, really sad. But hey, she has fans like you, and that's all she really needs after all.

From ?

Not really a fan, but when somebody get's on the 'net and proclaims a girl a slut when she's going to jail for not following the terms of her probation for a dui.. Well, that's horsechit right there.

If it makes you feel better to put down this gal, go right ahead.

When I decide men are no longer on my menu, and useless sluts are , I will.

Some true colors showing up... Are all Canadians so bitter?

Sad to say but LL would make a great dead pool pick.

Is that why you hang out at the campfire? For those men on your menu? Good luck..

I call her like I see her, it's my opinion, you know the thing I am entitled to, MY OPINION. Just as you are entitled to YOURS.

Nope, sorry, I got my main course, thank you very much.

mmm-hmmm,...

Can we expect a youtube video from you titled, LEAVE LINDSEY ALONE!?

,...something like this,....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

You know that plenty of 18-25 year old's are doing exactly what LL does, or worse. This ain't nothing new. She'll serve her time and hopefully make a few changes.

Who called her a slut, O Thou Most Careful Reader?

Canadian ? What does that have to do with having an opinion ? And just so you know I am in an Alabama mood, been here pretty much the majority of the last 3 years....

And, a statement that was edited out in another post.

Don't you have some porn sites to be visiting? Perhaps one where they secretly video tape women or something like that.. You know, since they wanted that publicity and all..

Calvin is right.

I was trying to be clever and was instead merely cruel.

I called her a slut and edited it out.

But Dr. Howell may not have directly stated that she was one but he sure implied it with his initial post.

okay,...it's official.

Calvin is the only person in America who hasn't seen a pic of Lindsey Lohan's booger.

I've never seen it but I don't go to celebrity sites or porn sites for that matter.

Me either,...I think I saw it headlining The Drudge Report,..

Big caption,... BREAKING NEWS--LINDSEY LOHAN'S BOOGER EXPOSED!

No, I said that if she weren't a celebrity, she'd be considered a slut. I was referring to how she's described, not to what she is.

When you're as careful about what you read as I am about what I write, we can talk to each other without putting words in each other's mouth or inferring thoughts that aren't stated.

Did your knee jerk when you read my post?

Again, this is what you posted. If you had wrote this about somebody's daughter on here, do you think they would have been offended?

I haven't and don't want to.

irrelevant

Yeah,...I know what ya mean,..ya seen one,..ya seen 'em all.

If Dr Howell wrote that about my daughter and it was true, I would promptly kick her ass, and then figure out where the hang I went wrong in raising her.

If your daughter got a dui and failed to meet the conditions of probation? Give me a break...

You keep harping on what I meant, and I have to keep trying to tell you what I meant. I think that I know my intent worlds better than you do.

Yes, and if she did the no underwear publicity crap, and other things that would be less than decent behaviour, including not living up to your responsibilities. If you can get the DUI, you can pay the punishment, period.

I have to table this notion now and go take my milk of magnesia � a good way to get rid of it when you're full of it!

My Son was a drug user, he got bad, real bad. Robbing houses for items to sell for drugs, robbed my home too of items to sell for money for drugs. Broke into local vets office and stole drugs to help his habit.

Arrested 17 times, I personally turned him in 11 of those times. Personally took him for drug testing, took the drugs I found in my home, all his personal drug paraphernalia and took him to the police station. Called the police and had them pick him up in my home with drugs. Kicked his ass, all 6'1" of it, literally, no Father (he refused to believe it) to rely on for help, just me.

Stood with him in court while he was told his punishment each time, and walked away when they took him to his punishment, telling him I would be there for him, but would turn his ass in every time, and I did. Best damn thing I ever did for him.

Today he is a good man, and a Father that will kick his daughter's ass when/if she decides to take the wrong road.

So would I kick my daughter's asses ? Oh yeah, I would, each and every time they screwed up, and they know it....

So you can comfortably judge LL despite your own flesh and blood doing waaaaaaaaaay worse than her?

I don't get it.

Alcoholism takes no prisoners.

I hope the mandatory 90 days in rehab convinces her she's finally hit her bottom. She will only get better if she wants to.

I don't have a beef with you personally, but this backpedaling is rather impressive.

You doubted I would kick my Daughter's ass for failing to meet the conditions of a probation related to a DUI.

If I could do all of that to my Son, I could kick my Daughter's ass for failing to meet the conditions of a probation related to a DUI in a heartbeat.

Lynn

It would be one thing if the garments were torn through accident. I seriously doubt that any of these publicity folks accidentally forgets their unders. If you gotta show your parts so that anyone might potentially get a shot- if that's what it takes to compete with the "competition, perhaps you haven't got much going for you.

Seeing so much good willed Christianity in one thread warms my heart.

when you consider all the young people that have gone through the show biz meatgrinder and come out the same way as she has,it isn't very suprising.
I can only think of 2 kids that made it out okay,Ron Howard,and Jodie Foster.

if your kid ever says they want to be an actor,tell them to act like a student.

I can't believe I just read this entire thread.
Shame on me.

Something great to hear about a parent without Enablers Disease!

I was just thinking the same about myself, Mako.

I wonder how forgiving folks would be if their daughter or wife was killed by this drunk while she was DUI?

Jim

Would be even better if the parents hadn't let their kid get to the point of robbing for drugs in the first place IMO.

Haha! I'm going to bite my lip... really hard.

For all the "Christians". Think of Lindsay as the woman at the well.. or the woman caught in Adultry.

For you guys who like like to argue for the sake of arguing.. Do you think the punishment fits the crime? 90 days in jail for not going to some alcohol training, because of a DUI. Seems a little excessive to me.

I think she would be better off with a thorough spanking - any volunteers - -- ?????

if it was the first time, probably so. based solely on what I read yesterday afternoon, she missed at least half of the sessions she agreed to do on condition of not going to jail for the DUI. And she got caught drinking. more than once.

by my count, this is her 9th or 10th strike with this judge.

drunk driving is an ever-growing problem and CA's laws are a cakewalk compared to a state like UT.

I wouldn't say generation is the best word to use... but of that type of group yes, I probably agree.

I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with the gov imprisoning somebody for missing half of their alcohol classes.. Give her a hefty fine, but 90 days of imprisonment?

If she weighed 300 lbs and hadda big wart on her jaw, you wouldn't care if she did 6 months.

Wow.
She sounds like a problem child, unfortunately.
It appears they are making an example of her.
Who knows, could be the best thing that ever happened to her.

How do you know? Didn't realize you could read minds..

ok.... she didn't go to jail for the first DUI. she got to choose between jail or the classes (kinda like "pay the ticket/get the points" vs "go to traffic school" for a speeding ticket).

she then not only failed to live up to her end of the agreement (pre-written penalty=90days), she kept drinking & driving during the probation period.

I have to thank you for that you tube, that is truely awe inspiring, sent it to a few friends, said it reminded me of a liberal.

But 90 days?

[bleep], I know of burglars who never spent 90 days in jail and they're breaking into someone's frinkin home for God's sake.

Hell its only 3 months.

Maybe she can opt for boot camp or something else instead jail. Either way, she needs to do something instead of finding new ways to violate probation.

Besides, its the hottest time of the year and she'll have AC in the can.

In general, I find it odd the Christian versus non-Christian arguments here.

She has my Christian sympathy, but she violated her [bleep] court ordered obligation.

Do not pass go.




they should've been shot.

[quote=RWE]

She has my Christian sympathy, but she violated her [bleep] court ordered obligation.

Do not pass go.[quote]

Prezactly.

googling CA DUI law:

1st offense: 96hrs to 6 months
2nd offense: 90days to 12 months
3rd offense" 120days to 12 months


Google-fu

let's be charitable and say it was her first offense. Judge could have sentenced her to up to six months straight off. Judge gave her an out (do the weekly classes).

she didn't. not only that, she got caught driving with a measurable BAC.

she's lucky she "only" got 90 days, given the leeway the judge had.

Good...Glad to see no ones immune.

I know plenty of people who have gotten DUI's, and none of them spent more than a night in jail...

I'm assuming in AK ?

google-fu

IN AK,

1st offense: minimum 72 hours
2nd offense: minimum 60 days
3rd offense: minimum 60 days (minimum 120 days if within 10 years of 1st offense)

mandatory minimums don't leave the judge much discretion....

Face it.

Lindsay is a milk-a-holic...

Alot of hollywood starlets dont get enough enough attention,they release a tape of themselves performing oral sex on someone.Gets their face out there on everbodies computer screen

IIRC,lindsey has been skirting this for a few years,now.
What was her excuse this time,she couldnt find her passport?
What I read,they typically only serve 1/4 of their sentence,anyway.
Maybe if someone will bitch slap her hard enough this time,she wont be dead in a few months like some of the others .

Perhaps painting "F*ck U" on her middle fingernail and flashing it at the judge backfired?

classy....

Picture yourself at 18 to your early twenties. No one here ever got drunk or did anything stupid, that�s for sure. Everyone here is pure as the driven snow. Especially no one ever did anything stupid when someone was egging them on to do it.

Now picture yourself at 18 to your early twenties with millions of dollars to spend and a whole group of the most successful and slickest self serving liars in the country blowing smoke up your ass telling you how great you are and egging you on to do stuff, and then have a whole bunch of photographers around to record everything you do.

No one here would ever succumb to those temptations, that for sure.

Thank God we�re all better than everyone else.

Haha! So a girl wrote f-u on her finger nail, and put her hand up to her mouth. Lock her ass up! It must suck to have people analyzing every photo of you at 1000%. Kinda like the guys who hang out outside of night clubs and take pictures up girls skirts when they get out of vehicles.

Not better, I surely did my fair share of stupid stuff.

But when I got caught, I did my punishment and sucked it up.

Maybe I should have hired a better lawyer?

Is there really a problem with her getting pinched for DUI, making a deal so she didn't go to jail, then reneging on her deal and having to go to jail?

I will not think any less of her after she gets out of the pen....

And in hindsight, I thank God for all the times I did stupid stuff and didn't get caught - or end up killing someone.



This is apparently becoming a bigger deal than just a DUI....

um, yeah, that.


it's odd, really, that there's so much talk about "we need to accept the consequences of our actions" and "the rule of law" and yet, someone ends up in front of a judge for her fourth at-bat and the prevailing wisdom is that she should have gotten off.

(unless we're arguing just for the sake of arguing)

Calvin,

seeing as how 4x (one of them testing positive for coke) isn't enough to merit a cool-down, how many free passes would you give her if you were the judge ? wait 'til she runs down a pedestrian?

As many as it takes,..or until she gets up to 300 lbs and grows a big wart on her jaw.

wow, I'm being called stupid by a guy who has 37k posts on an internet forum and about half of them are of pictures of cats.

90 days?? My time must be more valuable than yours.

You are right. We should toss every young person in jail driving down the road texting and talking on their cell phones. Just as big of a risk to society.

Then I would recommend not getting busted for driving while intoxicated.

Just FYI.

I don't drink.

Sorry guys.. gotta go fish.

Try not to post too many cat pictures while I'm gone.

If you find yourself in a hole,stop digging.(will rogers)

......or every word in the OP at 1000% and still gettin' it wrong.......

Probation is a break from a standard sentence which generally involves slammer time. You either accept one or the other. If you accept the lesser punishment, probation, you accept all the conditions so ordered (alcohol counseling, community service, curfew, no drinking, electronic monitoring, etc.).

If you fail to totally comply with the requirements of the punishment you chose, the disposition in your case/probation review is generally swift and easily made. Such was the case here.................no more, no less.

What surprises me is the # of members here that essentially condone such behaviors and in fact, seem to allow for such illegal activities being acceptable based solely on her age, family background and because they obviously did so as well.....as stated. I can't imagine the loss of a loved one being much harder to accept than when caused by some drunk who was violating a previous court order for the same exact offense and being able to drive PRIOR to fulfilling every court ordered obligation. Hell, she didn't fulfill ANY of them.

This is the typical case of a person (no age required) that feels above the law and entitled to be treated differently for their own reasons. Not to mention that she is also involved in a suit from an earlier accident that she caused which is being further reviewed due to possible drug/alcohol use.

I suppose that had I an alcohol or drug problem or had I been found guilty of a DUI in the past (or currently under court supervision for), I'd likely initially want to blame the media, courts and members here for any disparaging remarks as well. But lacking any of the aformentioned connections, I don't find myself tied to such a role.

Even if I had such issues and subsequent court convictions and/or requirements, I'd hope that I'd have enough sense to not try to defend anothers actions based on my own bias's and discontent with the "system".

Most times, we get what we deserve. In LL's case, she only put off the inevitable (probation and all that it entails) by her own choice of probation and then willfully violating every requirement that the court ordered in place of the standard range for such offenses (to include jail time).

What's to argue about or defend..........?

Yep, and in a perfect world it would have been.

Um, I think they actually do treat that similarly to a DUI in quite a few states, especially for youngsters.

ah, he knows she is an idiot, he is just too high on his high horse, or in too far to back out. gotta keep defending drug user pornographers who thumb their nose at the justice system, sue their family, and think Coke is something white you find on a countertop at a party.

Bristoe That is one area I would agree just cause you are on diet (for any reason) doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't look at the menu. Just my observations. Cheers NC

I have scraped up the aftermath of countless DUI (we used to call it DWI) crashes to give me NO tolerance for such behavior. And when you make a deal with the court it is up to you to keep it or pay the consequences. It matters not if you are a young "hot chick" or the ugliest person to ever take breath. They kill and maim thousands of innocent people every year, they will get no sympathy from me whether somebody finds their cooter cute or not.

Well said, Ken.
People like her don't garner much sympathy from me.
The people I feel sorry for are the ones that are killed by drunk drivers-which is probably what would wind up happening with Lohan.

Save your pity for the ones that deserve it, I say.

yup

a friend from new york has hosted lindsey lohan many times at her house, as her daughter and lindsey went to school the same place. this was even before she was very famous, and up to the time she graduated. she said lindsey was a brat at times and that eventually she did not let her daughter hang out with her, due to both LL's and her family's behavior.

i guess it's a different perspective, seeing her layin on your couch watching tv as a 12 year old, as opposed to a movie star. i do know my friend wasn't impressed then OR now.

YEP.........

well unfortunately i am a member of "that" generation and i wholeheartedly agree. i am sick to death of people 25-30 being complete wastes of life, no job, multiple babies with multiple people, drug use, etc.

i am thankful i get judged as a 30 year old individual and not as a member of that group.

she has earned everything sent her way at this point. and i have a hard time feeling bad for someone with millions of dollars and the ability to go to any professional help she wants, and refuses.

Yep.........had she really wanted to change waaaaaaay back when she knew she had a problem (accepting probation and the ensuing drug counseling and alcohol monitoring presumes that), she would have taken a small chunk of her fortune to seek the help she needed. Not doing so either confirms her feeling of entitlement or her thoughts of being immune to consequences other "normal" people face for such behavior.

For those most adamant about giving this princess a break, let's exchange LL for Rosie O' and see what we get. If you choose not to express your same exact sentiments and support for Rosie, why not? Asked and answered.

Seems that I can remember several initial posts here over the last several months where an OP was expressing sympathetic feelings/remarks for a person totally without criminal guilt, behavior or actions that they had caused only to receive disparaging remarks by some here that accused them of being too sympathetic and more apt to wear tampons and the like. Most came from the same geographical region......IIRC.

Seems those "rough and tumble" fellas have soft spots too.........placed somewhat higher than their hearts.

And in the words of that famous statesman Fred Sanford,"I'm a dirty ol' man and I'll be a dirty ol' man till I'm a dead ol' man."

Makes me think Blaine's not really gone afterall.

Roy,
Not that bad, surely?

Sure appears to be quite a few miserable folks here though. Must be tough to be so pure.

Oh, I dunno, Roy.
I think what gets me about this Lohan thing is the attention she gets from the media and the general attitude of entitlement, if you follow me.
I certainly don't wish her harm, but I do think she got her just desserts in this case.
I hope she can learn from it and get away from the booze and drugs-for good.
She is obviously a talented individual, and it is a pity to see her throw it away.

That's all I wish for the kid too...to get off the drugs and booze. As far as I'm concerned, whatever she did wrong, she should get punished for it. The addiction end should be handled separate. I've seen way too much of it destroy people and all those around them. It is possible for people to clean up their acts if they truely want it and that's all I'd like to see in her case.

I could care less, but not much less about LL. Pretty simple, if you don't cover your Kootch it might bite you. It takes a real classless Slut to give the f bomb to the Judge. I wonder if her Attorney knew about her finger ?

Prayers sent...

To me ?

laffin.....

Scrubbed of makup and without the skilled photographer and lghting, she would be pretty ordinary.

Well stated, my feelings exactly.

Seems so simple really. Given more than enough breaks and opportunities to turn your life around, screw up......do the time. Actually, do a small % of the time if all goes as it usually does in such matters. Seems a rather defensible and common sense position to take.......be it from the courts or any responsible citizen.

I'm not advocating LL's demise, nor would I and I don't think any posters have done so here. One might think so given some responses.

If she cleans up and then flies straight from doin' her 20 days or so of the 90 ordered........great! Beats the heck out of killin' some innocent person or 4 while drunk at the wheel.......IMHO.

I'm not figurin' on votin' for Osama again this next time around either, whether or not some here might do so given their lean on second, third and fourth chances. Screw up to the point of effecting me or mine and continue to do so after enough fore-warnings (probation/Rasmussen polls)......you should get no more chances at causing others grief until you've shown you can redeem yourself (completing alcohol counseling/taking a hard "right" which then only gets you to the middle).

Pure....? Hardly. Just trying to embrace some of the very few rights that we have left that may help to ensure that those of us who attempt to "live right", live long enough to benefit from such choices.

Seems Ms. LL and many other's don't approach life with any aspect of this thought in mind. Those people then become a danger to us all...........IMHO, that's unacceptable.

I hope she succeeds......this time. If not, then the court up's the ante. Would anyone here rather that we reward her for subsequent criminal and dangerous behavior? Hopefully not, but then again............

Well.....this is well past her first time being involved in such criminal behavior, so why should she continue to get a break as she emotionally argued in court. "This will affect my career.....!!!!". Not, "I could have killed people on many different occasions, I'm truly sorry".

Such remorse doesn't deserve alot of empathy.....IMHO.

more prayers sent...

Mercy works......

Mercy, Alaska style: part I

Mercy, Alaska style: part II


?????????

LL will likely only serve 20 days or so, less than I'd get for getting caught bringing in booze. Big deal. Fame, good looks, or charm does not make one more or less human than anyone else.

Have any of you defending her ever been critically injured of lost a loved one to someone driving drunk. I have. It gets real personal when it happens to you. I have no tolerance for someone who intentionally, yes intentionally, puts my life in danger by drinking and driving. I am glad some places are charging drunks with murder if they kill someone in a traffic accident.

As far as this girl is concerned, I hope she turns her life around. She has had numerous chances to do just that and has not taken them. Sometimes you need to get a person's attention before they realize their actions can have serious consequences. I hope this gets her attention. Nothing else has so far.

Did you catch her father blaming the "system" for the actions of his daughter. Pathetic.

90 days is only 90 days. Death by drunk is a lot longer.

If you were less sarcastic and thinking logically, you'd send those "well intended" prayers to those victims of drunk drivers rather than minimizing such behavior. I'm sure none of the victims of DUI's or their families could give a rat's azz about your weak attempt at sarcasm nor about LL's family history or horrible parenting skills. Dead is dead, maimed is maimed........no matter how it comes to be.

Seems a personal sharing of just what we are talking about, as was posted, might help you to understand with a bit more clarity the seriousness of DUI's and their much too often.......devastating consequences.

Then again....enough posts have been made countering your position to make you very well aware that your opinion is in the minority, as it should be. The only thing that sarcasm and substance have in common is that they both start with an "S". Seems you've got their definitions azz backwards. Try the latter sometimes as we all tire of expecting the former from you.

I've always thought white trash was white trash. Lohan is white trash.

Well see there, you just made the case why we shouldn't use derogatory names when addressing peoples kids. If I would have known you all the while you were going through that, I would have described you as having your hands full with a drug addicted son, not call your son a druggie scumbag.

I know how hard it was keeping my three daughters under control, could not imagine trying to do so with one worth millions.

I always get a kick out of those who are worth a few million being called white trash. For her money I would don a wife beater T-shirt and drink Bud out of a can.

White trash usually but not always refers to po' white fo'ks.

Trailer-park trash likewise usually refers to whites of low income, education, opportunity, and morals.

Some po' white fo'ks are indeed are trash, but not all by any means.

When an old-time Southerner (black or white) applies the term po' white trash to others, incomparable scorn drips from his lips.

Like Notropis posted earlier, when a drunk driver kills a member of your family, you tend to lose the laissez faire attitude concerning folks who load up and get behind the wheel.

Hard to have pity for someone who has the world by the tail and manages to screw it up in spades.

I guess being responsible for your actions is not in vogue...even with some here on the fire. Sad.

Perhaps a little time in something short of a country club will convince her the court system might be serious this time.

I have a tough time feeling sorry for folks blessed with her opportunities. Given that same earning potential, I'd indeed toe the line.

[quote= It takes a real classless Slut to give the f bomb to the Judge. I wonder if her Attorney knew about her finger ? [/quote]

Agreed... BTW who is this poster with almost 7000 posts throwing the hissy fit? Guess my "auto ignore" system has been working pretty well all this time. Plan to keep that feature on.

alligator tears

Well actually I applauded the judges decision earlier in the thread, I just can't see acting as if the jury is in on a 24 yr old girl with millions and no recourse for those who care about her?

Try teaching a kid about responsibility when she has the cash to get out of most problems she gets into. I'm betting a good portion of our own kids would be just as out of control with a bank account like her's.

Responsibility has nothing to do with whether or not a young adult has cash to burn.

There are plenty of poor kids to raise hell and put society at risk, just as there are plenty of kids with money that you never hear about.

It comes down to the parents teaching the kids to act responsibly, or not.

yep. getting rich quick can sure sort out those with and without morals, brains, and good raising, into separate groups.

if she was a good kid and a thinker, money isn't going to warp her into something she isn't.

Allow me to elaborate. How many times have you used finance to teach your kid a lesson? What happens when you are not able to threaten to take your kid's car away, when you can't lay down the law by making the statement, "if you don't like it, there is the door." "If you want my help, you better shape up".

Some kids are good and take minimal amount of effort, others need all the pressure you can bring to bare on them. When you get a wild one who can buy her own house, her own cars, hire her own lawyers, said parents lose a ton of leverage during the learning years. 24 is not a mature adult, there is still a way to go.

I can only speak for myself, I was no beacon of responsibility at 23 either.

I'm not so sure.

Hollywood and Politics are two enterprises that are inherently evil (IMO) and corrupt 99.99999% of (formerly decent) individuals that enter the fray.

I'd challenge you to name 3 movie stars and 3 politicians that didn't turn into the anitchrist or die young.

I wish here well, but in the long run the odds are against her.

Take it one step further, name some child stars who didn't lose their minds for a few years after turning 18.

All I'm saying is I've grown up with kids that were well and goodly privledged. Some of them were hell bent on getting in as much trouble as possible, others were the epitimy of ideal law abiding cititizens. I've seen the flip side of kids that grew up with little, and less than ideal home lives, some went wild, others toed the line.

There's more to parenting then saying I'm going to take something away from you, though certainly that tact needs to be employed. I'd also say well before there is a car to be taken away, there are lessons that need to be taught, though often times kids need to learn those lessons again, and again.

I suspect it will probably do her some good to finally do some real jail time, and it's probably over-due. Hopefully she can turn her life around and get on track.

A good friend of mine is a very striking lady, and her aunt worked in TV productions down south. When my friend was in college, family connections got some guys grooming her for modeling & acting. She freaked out at the constant pressure, and hastily left LA. That show biz thing is a meat grinder, and there are a lot of first-rate sleazebags in that industry.

I agree with you, but you are talking about an 18yr old adolescent who doesn't have to listen to jack...until the judge said it. I think the gal could turn it around, remember how out of control Drew Barrymore was for a few years? She seemed to mature and get it together. Lohan is a punk with money, she can go either way, her book is not written yet. At 23 or 24, I think it's about that time.

no excuse for bad behavior no matter who you are. least that's what I've taught my kids

I'm not excusing her behavior at all, merely explaining why I don't write her off as a bad seed, yet. She has been given more tools to get into trouble than I ever had, and I got into trouble.

my reply wasn't directed to anyone in particular Barkoff

utah-

ron paul, zell miller, ronnie reagan

tom selleck, dakota fanning, jodie foster

or did you mean something more specific?

I'm 30 too and I gotta say, if people only knew how depraved that generation is.. Makes LL look "good". As Brittney sings so well.. "living in sin in the new thing"..

I'd take issue with a couple of those, but touche.


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Didn't LL make her own money through acting and endorsements? How is she spoiled?

Seems many think their generation have a corner on sin and depravity. That corner has been there and shall continue to be for all generations.
I wonder if anyone knows what the judge all considered in her judgment.

utah, i took your point. i did that more to make us all feel a little better than they;re not ALL bad.

I'm not sure what is worse..her actions, or you defending her.

Yep. She didn't make it the old fashioned way like Paris Hilton did and Kim Kardasian with some (black) guys pole in her mouth for the whole world to see. Apparently proud of it as well.

Yeah.. it's just horrible for me to give the girl the benefit of the doubt. Meanwhile, you have an avatar with a guy bashing the Commander and Chief in the head.

Hey now! I do it all the time, for a heck of a lot less than LL's money!

Actually crew neck t-shirt mostly

Sycamore

That avatar is frickin hilarious...

Calvin, I am glad this girl has been able to make her own money. That really has nothing to do with being spoiled. The idea that she can do anything she wants (including putting peoples' lives in very real danger, defying the orders of a judge, and mocking the judge with her finger nails) without consequences because of her money or fame indicates to me that she is spoiled. The source of the money does not matter. The source of her attitude does not matter. Perhaps a little jail time will help her realize that she may be the center of her universe but she is not the center of the universe for other people. I hope this will help this girl. She needs something, and the gentle things tried before seem not to have worked very well.

Hey, Calvin is back from guiding (I hope that went well).

I'd not paid that much attention (none at all, really) to this prior to this thread...but after looking into it a bit, this gal is somewhere between 4 and 9 strkeouts with the law, depending on who you read.

my question remains: how many 2nd chances is fair in your opinion?

assume you are the judge, seeing her for all 9 FUBARs.

do you give her 10? 11? 12? give me a number.

Not sure that anyone here is "writing her off". She may be a bad seed, none of us could know that. What we do know is that she violated probation and will be doing a few days in the slammer for her indiscretions.

Whether 18 or 50 years of age, she is quite able to discern the difference between being locked up and not. She also has had the $ for years to have sought help from all sorts of professionals for her multiple issues. 'Course, if not mature enough nor addicted too much, one certainly doesn't use their common sense as often as we would hope......understandable, but not necessarily acceptable.

We've likely all raised hell as she and you say you have.....many of us perhaps much more than you have experienced. The "tools" you speak of were there to also help get her out of her situations as well, one's that the court eventually ordered that she blatantly violated. Can't say that I know many other's with that amount of "tools" to help us find our way. "Tools" goes both ways.

No matter how any of us feels about LL and others in her current situation, the good and evils of affluence, the impact of different parenting skills/methods, the age factor..........previous judges now know that they did her and us an injustice by giving her breaks that she only flaunted and evidently didn't deserve nor care much about. Honest mistakes by these judges......yep. Same dispositions millions of other people get for the same offenses......yep. Now we have her sentenced to do a very small amount of time for violating those very easily completed court conditions and she still seems to think that all this is still happening "to her" rather than because "of her"

Whatever her age, background, livelihood, "tools".........the need to protect the rest of us from her dangerous behavior is now more important than how she feels or how some might feel about her.

Like that's a bad thing ?

Actually, I'm commercial fishing. (opened up July 1st) Still pretty slow, but put enough fish in the boat to make about $100. Looking forward to the later season the real money shows up and I can make a few McMillan Stocks in a morning of fishing.

As far as the number of chances.. that's up to the judge. My initial beef was with guys calling her a slut. Not acceptable IMO. And, my next beef is the cash strapped state of CA putting her in jail for 90 days. yeah right. The state is not her parent and it's not up to them to teach her a lesson.

agreed, but the judge said what would happen if she didn't follow through and then he did what he promised to do.

Califonia releases non violent criminals after they serve only 25% of their sentence.

damn, how is the "state" going to teach people a lesson that mommy and daddy couldn't?!

how is that overstepping? i am not seeing how that's outside their ability.

Yep its gonna make 20

I stand corrected on the fishing.

And I get the name calling thing.

What I don't get is the "it's up to the judge" part.

You're railing on the judge directly for (finally) pulling the trigger, after umpteen free passes.

If you were the judge, what you have done on appearance #9 ?

Free passes?

If I were the Judge, I'd have hit her in the pocketbook, and I'd keep hitting her in the pocketbook until she shows up to her stuff. Instead, the judge hit the taxpayers in the pocketbook.

I just checked, and this Earth shaking news regarding LL didn't even begin to move the needle on my recently re-calibrated Give-A-Crap meter.

Calvin, surely you jest. Parents would be thrown in jail themselves if they deprived an adult child of her freedom, made her dress in ugly clothes, and only fed her what they wanted to feed her. The state can really throw a wake-up call at people. About all the parents can do now is not give her money or say they are ashamed of her. The parents evidently failed, and now it is up to the state to try to get this girl's attention and hopefully help her. If it fails again, the state will try harder with bigger guns later.

Not to minimize the very serious nature of drunk driving and defying a judge, but I wish the state and media would give as much attention to some of the other crimes and criminals out there.

the judge is statutorily limited to about a 6 minutes of her income per infraction.

how much "learning" would you accomplish at $15.00 per court appearance ?

Obviously I was talking about lessons they didn't learn while they were a child. The state can obviously throw a wake up call at a person. (they just did) But, should they they? Is it the states job to keep people like LL from hitting rock bottom? Do you want to pay for that?

See, it's not really that big of a deal if all they can fine for is $15 per court appearance. They want to lock her up for something that only carry's a $15 fine?

I don't really care if she hits rock bottom. I do care if she gets back behind the wheel of a car while drunk and kills some innocent person. The state should not try very hard to protect people from themselves but should try real hard to protect other people from someone who has a history of putting the public in grave danger. I would rather pay for 90 days in jail than to have a family, perhaps your family, lose a child or parent or both to this girl's actions. What dollar price do you put on the lives of your loved ones?

Don't she have a chauffeur?Tisk Tisk Tisk

can't put her in jail for what she MIGHT do. however she violated a court order on her 9th time in front of a judge. jailtime.

Calvin,

I'm not going to bag on her for her troubles. Seems a good many of us would succumb to the same pressures if in her shoes. BUT, she has been given many opportunities to avoid jail time for breaking the law. A couple drunk drivings, possessions of cocaine, and probation violations would get any average joe thrown in the pokey. Why should she be treated differently?

I am not suggesting she should be punished for something she might do but rather for things she has already done several times.

Because she has money and the state of CA doesn't.

Calvin, now you are getting silly.

Silly is suggesting that we lock up everybody who drinks.

those $$ are calibrated for "everyday people", where a $5K fine would have some meaning. Without the credible threat of jailtime, someone like LL could wear "F*uck You" on her ningernails and order her accountant to pay the court the (equivalent of) $15 a week to do whatever she wants.

that's my point. she has so much money, no fine would get her attention. Nine strikes, time for a time-out.

Silly is when we don't confront people who repeatedly drive drunk. No, that is not silly, that is just plain wrong and dangerous.

How much is the life of a family member worth?

edit: I never suggested we lock up everyone who drinks. I wish there was a cheap but effective punishment for everybody who drives drunk that would keep them from ever doing it again.

And my deal is that she has enough money that she can take care of herself. It's not like the state will have to clean her up so they don't have to pay rehab services and welfare for her in the future.

I see no benefit to the general public or to the state of CA for locking up LL... other than to "teach her a lesson".

Do you think they are saving lives for locking up LL? Is the public of Hollywood safer because LL is going to jail? What's the point of LL going to jail other than to "teach her a lesson"?

I can see putting rapists in jail.. so they don't rape again Murders, etc.. A starlet worth millions? Don't see the point.

She obviously has not taken care of herself and continues to put the public at risk. She won't be driving drunk while in jail and may actually learn a lesson that may save the life of someone you love. Have you ever lost a loved one to a drunk driver? You don't sound as if you have.

So if it was an average, blue collar guy with little to no excess income, he should be imprisoned?

What if Tom Hanks murdered someone? Should he be fined instead of imprisoned? I know it's not a fair comparison but wealth shouldn't matter even in a cash strapped state.

first: the state is capable of billing her for the costs incurred (this is usually a wild goose chase because the defendant can't pay, but with defendants like her the state will break even financially)

second: I'm generally a live-and-let-live type, but the state has a compelling interest in straightening this out before someone gets hurt. IMO, it's one of the few legitimate functions the state can lay claim to.

If you don't like that, campaign to change the laws so a DUI is no longer 2nd degree murder, but a $15 fine and you're home by supper.

I'm not talking about murder or other violent crimes. But failure to show up.. and go to alcohol classes? Let them pay their way out of it, and leave the jail cells for those who are truly a danger to society.

She has a couple drunk drivings, drug possession, and probation violations. She isn't being locked up because she tipped a few while watching a football game on tv.

I must have missed the news that LL hurt somebody in a drunk driving accident. Care to link it for me?

We had better hope not.

It's not just about failing to show up. Probation is a "lesser way out" for a crime that was committed assuming certain conditions are met. It's intent is to give the individual a second chance and to not clog up jails/prisons. She failed to meet those conditions and is essentially being punished for the original crimes.

We're [bleep] if it does.

Hollywood must be breathing a collective sigh of relief, as LL is off the streets and they now are safe.

Hardly equal prosecution under the law in Kalifornia. Don't see how this whole thing can be argued. If she was a fugly girl from Podunk, this would not not even be mentioned. But a rich and spoiled celebrity who happens be be cute, readily exposing her undersides to the media gets a public/ "pubic?" pass several times. Now people are feeling sorry for her? She's a player.

Nope, she has not killed a child while DD yet. I never said she did. She has driven drunk several times. That is a crime and does put us all in grave danger of quick and violent death.

Have you ever lost a loved one to a drunk driver?

edit: If you had you would realize drunk driving is a very violent crime. How many lives are cut short in this country because someone gets behind the wheel of a car while drunk?

She's not spoiled. She earned her money.

She had the potential for causing grave danger to others. She should have been locked up for an appreciable length of time and driver's license suspended for a year. Rehab, that's a joke. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

She receives preferential treatment by the justice system. She is spoiled.

Why the need to keep injecting emotion into this?

If I had a family member that was killed by a firearm, would I be advocating locking everybody up who had a moment where they practice poor gun handling?

Your definition of spoiled is not realistic. Would you feel the same way about this if your mother had been killed by a drunk driver?

I would hope you would want to lock up someone who got drunk and threatened the lives of people in a crowded public place with that gun.

Driving drunk is not a danger to society ?

No she didn't. She got 90 days in the big house.

You are getting weird on me. Google "spoiled child syndrome".

We were talking about locking her up because she mightdrive drunk.

Didn't they do a study that showed that people texting while driving are more dangerous than drunk drivers? Better lock up every female teenage driver..

Off topic. So I'll depart the topic. You must like em' young, O defender of young cute wymin. So....how young?

She is not a child anymore.

How much is the life of a family member worth? You seem to want to make this an economic issue.

edit: they are locking her up because she already has driven drunk several times.

Ding ding ding! the winna! Eggsactly.

she got caught. lots of people do stuff, few get caught. she got caught. more than once. she got caught narc'd out by both Coke and Alcohol, AFTER THE FIRST TIME SHE GOT CAUGHT.

(texting is illegal too, under the same theory).

they get caught, same deal for them too.

it's called a "deterrent effect", something the people have an interest in pursuing, like "if everyone had a gun robbing people might not be such a hot idea".

if there's no consequence, there's no reason to take the law seriously.

Society as a whole is endangered when someone can flout the law and get by without a meaningful penalty.
A steep fine would be meaningful to me. It would mean little or nothing to her.
Much of the current breakdown of morals and civil behavior is the result of your kind of thinking
I'd like to see her serve the whole 90 days, society would be better served by spending whatever the cost. Maybe the next rich brat would pay atttention.

Better yet, six months in jail might do her some good. I know it would sure do the rest of society, exposed to her dangerous behavior, alot of good.

No it's not. The current breakdown of morals and civil behavior is because of the breakdown of the family unit, and people relying on the "state" to teach lessons.

We know who we can't rely on to teach any lessons....

Bogus question. You can take that as far as you want then. Is driving on the freeway system worth the life of a family member? Well, if you drive, you are placing not walking above the the life of a family member?

Who is that?

Well Calvin, since you saw fit to quote and disagree with the latter half of my post, what's your opinion of the first part?

Calvin,

what is your opinion on her dad, re: who (it's widely reported) was imploring the judge to order her into re-hab ?

she's over 18, dad can't make her do it.

at what point are you no longer in control of your kids?

at what point is the state responsible for dealing with misbehaving adults ?

(I've not read anything about her breaking the law as a minor. All her troubles seem to be as an adult).

Do your parents still have complete control over you?

In way too far to bail................?

'Cuz she MIGHT drive drunk.......? No.......'cuz she's more than likely to do it again given her driving and criminal history.

And since you asked, she is currently being questioned concerning a past accident where she is now being sued for damages. The issue yet again......was she under the influence. Surprise. Heard it on Fox a few days ago. I suppose they're lying too.......I know, I know. Sure, they could be wrong, but likely only you believe that to be the case. Given Ms. LL's propensity to DD, I'd place my $ on it being more than likely, true.

If LL again DD and hit a much less affluent citizen, who do you think would be paying the medical bills/disability checks and on-going care for that person....? Let me see, yep, CA residents!! And if she was given yet another chance at probation and maimed or killed someone once again while driving drunk, do you really believe that CA wouldn't be liable for a million times what it costs to house her in jail for 90 days? So where does your "we shouldn't have to pay for her senseless 90 day sentence" hold any water whatsoever? It doesn't and you're blowin' smoke just to try to stay afloat and attempt to remain seemingly viable in this thread.

You're not and never were.

Of course she did. She can't get out of vehicle without a dozen photographers taking pictures of her. How the hell is she going to get away with anything..


And how many members on this forum have ever driven after they have had "1 to many?"

Calvin still thinks of LL as a poor neglected, but cute and famous, rich kid.
Ah, the truth comes out, the agenda...no I have never driven after having one too many.

Must be true.

Not a bogus question at all. You mentioned cost. I just want to know whether you consider the potential cost of not locking her in jail for a little while. I would prefer that she never be able to drive again legally instead of spending money for jail.

edit: I never drink and drive. Never have. Never plan on it. That is something that is quite easy to control.

Oh yes.. you got me. My agenda is to make myself feel better for all my dui's. You are a smart one..

More than you have been......in both cases.

So predictable...........

Like a book..............

Aye.

So you are the one who is making my insurance rates go up. I wondered who it is.

Don't "rights" mean anything to you? How would that jive with the eighth?

What am I going to say next?

Campfire logic:

LL got a dui = she's a slut

I don't think LL should go to jail = I make insurance rates go up.

That you're a putz, and you're sorry for wasting our time with meaningless drivel. That's what I was hoping you'd say. But, when pigs fly....

You mean on any given summer weekend most of Canada is white trash, who would have guessed.

Something stupid?

Wow, tough guy words.

Probably

Not bad for a girl, hey. So you're a lesbian?

I feel as if I have lowered myself for even opening this thread but "the eighth" is all about excessive fines and punishment. Given her background, I hardly find 90 days (if she actually is sentenced to all of it) excessive .

What has she done to deserve loosing 90 days of her life?

Bristoe is in fine form tonight.

BMT

Fox news, I know...It's all lies.
I am not a computer geek and don't know how to post a link so here is an address.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290544,00.html

There's plenty more and I have to believe at least some of it is true. 90 days in the slammer is chump change given her resume.

I will not degrade myself to any more posts on this topic.

That is what is deserving of 90 days

dang, and we were learning so much from your posts.

90 days is a long time for me. I will do a lot in the next 90 days. I feel that 90 days is very excessive to give to LL.

Driving is a privilege and not a right.

I see somebody paid attention during drivers ed.

With her history I think that the judge did a disservice to the public by being so lenient!!! When it comes to DD, the judge needs to put his foot down and do whatever it takes to reform her behavior. LL is just flaunting the system and a more serious accident waiting to happen.

Let me see.....................?

I've got it! Something just as stupid as your previous several comments.

Too easy...........

It took you that long to come up with that reply?

Somebody rode the short bus..

Sorry Tracks.........didn't read far enough back after dinner. You made the obvious and the only reasonable response first.....................

This guy is a piece of work. Like I said earlier.....he feels too far in to bail (false pride and all), but isn't smart enough to cut his losses either.

He and LL have alot in common.

Explain to me where I'm wrong?

AND...not smart enough to understand the many clearly written posts by many members which also clearly point out your errors in judgement.

Your desire to put other's in harm's way can only be attributed to your lack of foresight and deductive reasoning.

Not a good thing Calvin....and not something that explaining to you as clearly as I can, will overcome. Seems NO ONE has had that type of success with you.

Must be us, huh?

"Somebody rode the short bus". Well, you're right about that....... Don't leave such huge openings. It never works out so good.

Actually, it's a small group of people on the campfire who have that little thing called self righteousness. The other 20k members here are sitting back going "damn, I'm glad I never got caught when I was 24 years old, despite doing the exact same things that LL did".

I do not think that 90 days in jail is fitting for the crimes committed. I don't think it's the states job to teach people a lesson. Particularly people who can financially take care of their own problems. I don't think that the people of Hollywood CA will be one bit safer when LL is in jail.

Soooooooooooooo, the state shouldn't put murders in prison 'cuz you don't think the state should hold them accountable for their actions and to protect those that fly straight? And don't say that's not what you said......your own words, not mine. If the reason the states lock people up is to protect it's citizens and to punish those who put others in harm's way or at risk, how can you differentiate between intentional assaultive behaviors and DD which embodies all of the same possibilities when it comes to having devastating affects on innocent civilians.....?

If LL had been only involved in one DD and she completed her probation successfully, do you think that I and any other member here would be so adamant about her doing time for her current failures. Hell no. But that isn't the case, is it? Far from it.

"Self-righteousness".......wrong, as usual. Common sense, that seemingly rare attribute which a very few here seem to lack. Shoplifting in India or thereabouts may very well result in your hand being being cut off. Seems to be a pretty effective deterent for others. Pretty drastic......yep, but effective. Multiple violations of probation, flippin' the judge off, showing absolutely no remorse for her failings and she gets a 90 day sentence of which she'll likely do a 1/3 of that time.

Boy.....that's harsh and unwarranted....................not.

90 days is a long time.

past history
incarceration ,and loss of freedom,is why going to jail ,even for a few weeks,is what is called for.

"Less than two weeks out of rehab, with another drunken-driving case pending, Lohan had a blood-alcohol level of between 0.12 and 0.13 percent when police found her about 1:30 a.m., Sgt. Shane Talbot said.

Lohan attorney Blair Berk said her client had relapsed and was again receiving medical care.

"Addiction is a terrible and vicious disease," Berk said Tuesday."
"Padilla said the 21-year-old Lohan was unable to walk a straight line, touch her nose or follow a small light with her eyes. Officers also detected the smell of alcohol, Padilla said.

The movie star was booked for investigation of driving under the influence and driving on a suspended license, both misdemeanors, and possession of cocaine and transport of a narcotic, both felonies, authorities said."
"Last week, Lohan turned herself in to Beverly Hills police to face allegations of driving under the influence in connection with a Memorial Day weekend hit-and-run crash.

Lohan lost control of her 2005 Mercedes SL-65 convertible and crashed into a curb and shrubs on Sunset Boulevard, police said. Lohan's blood-alcohol level at the time of that crash was above the legal limit, authorities said, but they wouldn't disclose how high it was. She also faces a misdemeanor charge of hit and run in that case.

A court date was scheduled in that case for Aug. 24.

Lohan left Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility on July 13, after a stay of more than six weeks. She had also checked into rehab for substance abuse treatment in January.

When she left, publicist Leslie Sloan Zelnik said Lohan would voluntarily wear an alcohol-monitoring bracelet.

"In part she is wearing the bracelet so there are no questions about her sobriety if she chooses to go dancing or dining in a place where alcohol is served," Zelnik said at the time.

After bailing her out Tuesday, Berk said Lohan had been tested daily in order to support her sobriety.

"Throughout this period, I have received timely and accurate reports from the testing companies," Berk said. "Unfortunately, late yesterday I was informed that Lindsay had relapsed. The bracelet has now been removed. She is safe, out of custody and presently receiving medical care."



It doesnt appear as though a fine is going to get her attention this time either.

No offense Calvin, but you are still on this whole "90 days for a dui" thing and that is simply not the case.

The court gave your girlfriend plenty of opportunities to use her own resources - which she could afford - to straighten herself out in lieu of jail time and she did not take it.

And not just once, but multiple times.

You may do a lot in 90 days, but it appears all LL will do is get drunk and get behind the wheel. Hell, she could also afford a cab, but apparently won't do that.

I assure you that for some folks, 90 days go by quick. Ask children on summer break. It appears LL is at the same developmental level so we have some similarities there.

If you are so big on calling people "self righteous" just for wanting her to own up to the legalities of her crime, than offer to be her designate driver, free of charge. Bet you'd get a lot activity in 90 days.

That'll show us wannabes...


Did you ever address the question about how much slack she should be cut - up to and including a case of vehicular homicide?

Or did you consider it rhetorical?

Shucks, even in polite old Canada, a drunk driver can get up to 2 years for the first offence, and on the second, it is a mandatory minimum of 14 days, but the local tarrif is usually 30 days. Third and subeequent offence is a mandatory 30 days, but the local judge usually takes that to 90 days, and he is NOT out of line with the appeal court's guidelines.

I know another judge that tells drunk drivers that if they come to court the first time for DD, they should seriously think about their relationship to alcohol. Second time inside of five years, they have a serious drinking problem, and any more than that, they are an alcoholic. Somehow that always made sense to me.

So, my point is, if nice, polite Canada will pop someone into jail for 90 days on a 3rd offence, and we are known to be too lenient in our dealing with crime, why is 90 days so much for Miss Lohan? I personally know a man that went to jail for 4 months for DD (5 previous) and he was on renal dialysis with kidney cancer at the time. His family was mad and said he would die in jail. He didn't. His health actually improved. He did die a few months later, but that was expected BEFORE he went to jail.

The population at large needs to know that the judiciary takes these issues seriously, and that DD will not be condoned, and will be dealt with seriously.

I already addressed murderers and violent crimes. Have you read this thread?

Common sense should tell you that LL going to jail will do no good for anybody. And, that 90 days is excessive for the crimes committed.

I love the "lock em up" mentality. Is that why the USA has the highest lock up rate in the world?

I think you'll find that most folks were content with her terms of probation the first three [bleep] times, rather than "lock her up".

Had she followed those terms, we would be discussing Obama right now....

Calvin;

The 90 days is for violation of probation. The probation was for multiple DUIs, thus the multiple compounding the probation violation.

90 days is fairly typical for a repeat offended probation violation.

It's not the predicate offense, is the violation of probation that go her.

Big difference there.

Otherwise, y'all carry on.

Thanks VA. I just love how the State of CA has to let out a real criminal, to make room for LL so that she can learn to be more responsible with her court dates and alcohol training.

Then again, it is CA.

No disagreement on that.

Best way to create space, is the execution of murderers and child sex offenders. Rapidly, post conviction, and through all the back log already in the system.

That, and immediate deportation, with prejudice, of any illegals currently held in American prisons.

Do that, and there's plenty of space.

As for LL, probation violation is probation violation; and it's the same for everyone - you had your chance, you blew it, and this is the price to pay. She, and any others, had ample opportunity to comply with the terms of probation to avoid jail time. She chose poorly.

Well, it does for me. I think all drunk drivers should be locked up for at least thirty days and if caught again, nintey days ay least. Montana is a great place for drunk drivers as we see on a regular basis where seven or eight time offenders are fined a small amount and turned loose. Too many innocent people are killed by these people. Lock 'em up and throw the key away or put 'em on the old chain gang.

My 3 second google fu came up with:




That girl has problems. None of which jail is going to fix.

Maybe she needs a different, less accommodating jail?

Calvin,your from alaska?
Do you live in a dry area?
Have you ever been convicted of an alcohol offense?
And yes,it is the states job to teach people a lesson.

Oh,and on the radio today they were talking about LL ,and a guy from the Ca system stated she would serve 24 days of the 90

IIRC, probation was part and parcel of trying to get her help for said problems. And, her reaction to said probation and assistance is what landed her in this situation.

Choices given; choices made.

I've read this whole thread and realize that Calvin must have a really good internet connection, as he's dug himself all the way to China.



Clyde

The US also has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. Are you saying that's bad 'cuz it's the highest.........?

We also have the highest quality of life in the world. Is that also bad.....?

Waiting for some sarcastic response to VA from you since he obviously feels that her current disposition isn't unjust or unwarranted. Or does it matter WHO disagrees with you rather than why? You've thrown alot of members under your "self-righteous" bus only to find out that the bus seems to hold almost everyone but yourself.

I have to agree.
Calvin ain't a bad guy from what I have seen of him, but occasionally he gets on a 'tear'; as on this thread.

I actually looked at the user list,there is over 100 pages of members with no posts,only logged on once,for 5 minutes.

You know I agree with you about choices, but I still HATE to see young people turn into dope fiends at disturbingly young ages. Sometimes they encounter influences that are just so strong they overwhelm even the best parenting.

If you notice, VA doesn't come across like a jackass, like you do. I could care less if he doesn't agree with me.

It rains almost 120 inches a year. Hardly a dry area. Would it make you feel better if I said I've had 4 DUI's?

What am I on a "tear" for? I don't think 90 days is a reasonable sentence for what she did. Hot damn, the world is coming to an end.

nope the world ain't coming to an end


just some guys are convinced the 06 is the berries and others like the .270

neither side is gonna convince the other

you think it's a waste of jail space to lock her up for 90

others here think the law should apply equally to all


but we all know it doesn't, if you have money, you can afford a little better justice system than the average folk

I agree in part, and disagree in part.

And, if you'd like, I can be a jackass....

At least it isn't a picture of a cat.

Take away her makeup for one year and let her do 90 days.

From Hell's heart, I stabbeth thee,
For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.



Figure if we're going melodramatic, we should pull out the classics....

Very good Sir.

Melville or Khan?

From Melvilles Moby Dick.

Captain Ahab: From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale.

Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, who'da thunk you for a thespian ??

Man, I was hoping no one would ask.

Just saw the Dick the other night, but you got to admit, this has got flare:

Man does what he has to when he's looking to score....





(Did that ruin it?)

Here's a nasty one:
Cold be hand and heart and bone, and cold be sleep unders stone.
Nevermore to wake on stony bed,never, till the sun fails and the moon is dead.
In the black wind the stars shall die, and still here let them lie.
Till the Dark Lord raises hand, over dead sea and withered land.

JRR Tolkien, from The Fellowship of the Ring.

Classics? Nasty?

"F' all ya'll" Tennesse Williams.

"Dry" of course,refering to alcohol prohibited area.I saw on "Alaska State Troopers" where in some areas of your state,having a bottle of alcohol in your luggage on a plane,will get you a several hundred dollar fine,because alcohol is prohibited,because of the high incidence of alcohol abuse in the area.
A smuggled in bottle of whisky is worth $500 to some.

I asked if YOU had an alcohol offense because you are defending someone who has no defense.Your past posts dont fit in with your stance on this one.
I figured the best explanation for that,is you have had a run in or two with the "state" about alcohol ,and are sensitive about it.It would certainly explain your adamant defense of LL.
A quick search shows she has been having problems for some time,and most people agree,she has hung herself.If,indeed,you have had 4 dui's,you can certainly empathize with her plight.

I dont think fining her is going to help her,rather it will "enable" her to continue her "problem".

Actually, I don't believe that Calvin has any such experience. What experience he does have is from being a helluva role model to young, troubled kids as a foster parent. Thus, his tendency will likely be to see giving them another chance rather than incarceration and beginning the road to "living within the system".

That, says much for Calvin, and ought to clarify some things.

Carry on....

Now, that's not true........ C'mon......don't start lying now. You care about each and everyone here that hasn't agreed with you, hence your immediate response to each. You're not foolin' anyone with that statement...... Be honest, at least with yourself.......

If YOU'VE read this thread as you accuse that I haven't, you'll see that you're the one making a complete "jackazz" out of yourself............and with aplomb, I might add.

Lucid thinking always trumps emotional and baseless reasoning. It does however, cause much frustration for the presenter of the latter. That's when the name calling begins........anticipated and not surprising.

Again...........totally predictable.

I would like to think so as well.....really. Retired from LE and have seen most all that one can see. For my entire career, I worked with juveniles and their biological families, adoptive and foster parents. You're intuitive enough to know where I could go with this. Throughout those years, I lost 5 juvenile clients to DD's, either as passengers or driving themselves. And yes, they took some innocents with them. Only one had an adjudicated driving offense for alcohol, the rest were property or assaultive offenders. I saw the devastation that they caused and that their families experienced..........no winners here.

One thing that I have learned is not to make assumptions, whether we'd like to beleive something or not. Quite the opposite could be true. Am I hopeful that what looks like altruism is altruism in every instance......you bet. In reality, I don't know. Unless you have a decades long friendship with someone, I'd suggest that you can't know as well. Even then, only the beholder holds the definitive answer.

What I do assume is that what people espouse here or elsewhere is more often than not how they preach and instruct elsewhere. I've never been an advocate for enabling others that I worked with (clients and their families) or for teaching those that I "parent" that it is either acceptable or responsible behavior....quite the contrary....IMHO. Enabling is no less than giving tacit consent to the enabler to continue on with their bad behavior........without consequences for their actions. How is this not EXACTLY what has become of this LL case and the stated desire of Calvin, in particular?

What Calvin is espousing in this entire thread is the CONTINUED enabling of LL......nothing less. That approach simply never works, be it with a child or with an adult. In the LL case, it has already had negative results with all the opportunities and possibilities of having had disasterous results.

Carry on..............