Apparently, Gov. Abercrombie is forbidden, by law, to release private documents. Oh trust us, it's there, and shortly after declaring he couldn't find it, he states he is unable to release the elusive birth certificate. I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall, listening in on the conversation between the White House and Abercrombie. Of course, Obama could release it. What does he think? Some other illegal alien will steal his identity? What possible harm could come from the release of this document, if all is in order?

Problem is: His real birth certificate is not in Hawaii. miles

Well, he can't release it because he can't FIND it...

And I'm sure the Liar In Chief made a hastily-placed phone call to Abercrombie..

Funny thing is, Abercrombie's a huge LIC supporter - to the point of fanaticism (according to Mike Evans; a personal friend of the Gov and has known him for decades (via Mike Evans Radio))

Mike said Abercrombie simply cannot find any record of the LIC's actual birth in any of the hospitals in HI.. And he's pretty shaken up by this..

The Liar In Chief probably just called Abercrombie to inquire about the 'health of his family'.. I'm sure there's nothin' to it.. (heavy sarcasm)...

kAbercrombie is an Obama supporter. He said he wanted to release the info to PROVE that Obama was born there. Maybe he got educated when he tried to find it.

"What possible harm could come from the release of this document, if all is in order?"

There would ne no harm if it actually existed. Why do you think he's spent over $1.4 million keeping any and all records secret. becuase they don't exist. JMHO. Impeach the lying sack of dung!
Paul B.

So how does all this fit in with the tri-lateralist agenda and the one world government?

It's that our constitution requires a president to be a native born citizen. There seems to be a good amount of evidence that Obama doesn't quality. A president should be required to prove he's eligible for the office but our courts have declined to enforce the constitution. If Obama is eligible, what's wrong with him proving it? There's some major skullduggery going on with this.

And we are still having this question come up after 2 years of his term. Every one involved with this should be charged with treason and we all know what the maximum punishment is for that. But it will never come to be unfortunatly

He can't be impeached...You have to be President to be impeached.He's not Constitutionally qualified to be President by one reason of not being born here.Of course in my mind there are many other reasons,but he can't be impeached.He can be removed and imprisoned,and everything he's signed will be null and void right on down to the order form for White House toilet paper.Now,all these so called Patriot Congressmen and Senators KNOW this,and they know and have heard everything we've heard and seen.So WHY haven't they already spoken up and done something?Because every last one apparently and obviously are bought out.There can't be any other answer.

Well, if the LIC can't be impeached he can sure as hell be tossed into a cell for the next 50 years!

Why would they release it?

They hold onto it and it continues the right wing nut parade straight into the next election. Karl Rove must be proud..

That's what I said,he can be removed for refusing to PROVE eligibility,and locked up for being a threat to National well being and security.For a long time,and that also goes for the ones that assisted him as well.

They should start looking for it in Kenya, under the name Barry Sarento (sp?).

Impeach him and throw him in prison for 50 years.

JD338

He's not a communist, or a socialist, or a muslim, or a kenyan..

He's just a chitty president.

I can't figure out why republicans keep insisting on shooting themselves in the foot over this.

They aren't supposed to LOOK for anything,when he's asked to present documents to prove his legitimacy,he's supposed to produce them.Or be removed ,PRONTO!

Barry Satoro

+1

What happens when you are at the Canadian border and refuse to present your identification to come into the U.S.?What happens when you refuse to show your drivers permit to the kindly State Trooper?ETC....?But this guy can refuse anything and still run this nation?Somethings bad wrong with this picture.By the way, his past writings and associations tell you very plainly what he is,as well as his current actions and postures.

One problem for those who believe that Obama is not Hawaiian.

I have no idea where his real birth certificate is, but�
Bill O�Reilly and others have pointed out that there are old newspaper announcements on record of the birth of Obama in Hawaii.

Who faked those back in 1961? Just asking.

It's kinda like showing your DL to a Cop... It's expected. It's like showing your BC upon getting a DL of registering to vote or running for National office, it's expected and it's required.
How has this muzzy gotten so far as to destroy our economy, our national security, our national defense, our space program, etc.? We're fighting the likes of him in Afghanistan right now!

You can call any paper in any town in any state and make an announcement of birth,but it doesn't mean the birth occurred there.The so called birth certificate thats been shown is a birth registration,NOT a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.See?

My cars are registered in my state of residence,but they weren't made here.

The problem is that neither Obama nor Hawaii can find a forger stupid enough to create what he knows will be his last job.

It's the simple fact he refuses to show his records. Birth, education, travel visa, whatever.

He refuses.

Why?

It's not like these things are difficult. It's not any extraordinary request requiring extraordinary effort.

But instead he dumps out over a million dollars. A woman who defended the cases suddenly arises to federal judgeship. Numerous judges have invented the lamest excuses I recall for why NOT to hear the case. The media won't touch it, other than to say it's kook conspiracy.

etc. etc. etc.

It doesn't require an overly suspicious mind to wonder about all this. Not to mention an overly sharp one. If I can do it, anyone can

Well Rancho, I would not hang my hat solely on this hook. That said, the question has NOT been answered. I am curious as to why, when Obama is OBVIOUSLY not meeting this issue head on, you would allow him to carry on as if he DID produce the birth certificate. Even if the document was located by the former Secretary of Health (which is in some doubt) there remains enough doubt, that he should make it available to the public. In his position as POTUS, he must cast off any thin skin he may have, for whatever reason, about this issue. If the document has NOT been produced (not even found, according to the Hawaiian Gov.), why would you say Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot? Are we so single dimensional that a single issue would sink us? Are we so stupid that we should accept a non answer, and complete obfuscation, instead of a simple response to our questions about his birth? He has NOT provided a birth certificate. He has NOT provided any educational records (which may indicate nationality). As Barry Soetoro, he attended Indonesian schools, which require him to be an Indonesian citizen. Do we just ignore the question? It weems Republicans are being minimized through ridicule, but I contend that until Obama answers these questions properly, you are an absolute fool to accept his claims without proof. Tell me how this is shooting myself in the foot? If he is shown to be a citizen, big whoop. I just want proof, that's all.

BC can't be found?
Fine.

Let's move on to the next.

How about that visa.
How about the college records.

How about these, hmmmm?

There is a reason these documents aren't made public. A very good reason...

...and it has EVERYTHING to do with conspiracy. EVERYTHING!

The question as to why he hasn't produced the certification demanded by the kooks, is.. They'll continue to look like kooks for as long as they demand it.

Pretty simple, very well played by the Obamarama administration, and about the only thing he has done well.

I reject that premise. I look like a kook, because he has not produced his birth certificate? You, on the other hand, appear to be willing to allow a person who may not be Constitutionally able to hold the highest office in the land, to commit what amounts to treason. At the very least, he is playing one side against the other on this issue. What if there IS no birth certificate? Have you not even considered that? If you have not, you are not very bright.

yeah.. I guess I'm not very bright.

I sure save a lot of money not buying tin foil, though.

First of all, even if he was born in Hawaii and remained there his entire life, he is still not Constitutionally qualified to be President. "Natural Born" is not the same as "native born". Natural Born is a more stringent requirement that requires both of his parents to be US citizens. 0bama has admitted in writing that he doesn't meet this requirement. He should be removed from office. Why has no one done this? It's the ultimate play of the Race Card!

What "Natural Born" Means

Fixed it for ya!

If Palin decides to run in 2012 those very same records for her are already "sealed" due to current privacy laws, they are not available for public consumption unless Sarah signs off on making them public. The same would apply to your records and mine. Is it reasonable to demand non public records to be made public without the individuals permission? Is it really a conspiracy?

That's not the issue. The issue is why hasn't he given permission. Pretty damn arrogant to just blow us off with a hearty F.U.

Mr LOCO,can you name one,mind you,JUST ONE,other POTUS that went to the trouble,effort, what ever,and spent millions of dollars to hide their identity?I can recall Eisenhower being asked to prove his origin of birth ,and he did so with no qualms.If I actually had zillions of dollars,I would be hard pressed to throw even a minute amount of it away for nothing,especially to seal documents that were true to life...Unless I needed to hide something really BIG and IMPORTANT.

Ummm.. 14th Amendment?

I take it you imply that I suspect some arcane conspiracy. Not at all. In my experience, if somebody does not answer your question, it is either because they don't know, or don't want YOU to know. I just want a truthful answer, and see no reason to stop asking until I get it. And no, on this issue, I don't think you are very bright. Doesn't dis you as anything else, but here, you are being naieve.

If you say so..

'Announcements' are one thing.. The long form BC is quite another.. You can have an 'announcement' for anything.. Doesn't mean it's real..

I just love being called "not bright" by people with the grammar and spelling of a third grader..

And it appears you and a couple others are the only one's who won't..

And I'm sure the Messiah will thank you profusely..

Sorry. No prize for you. The 14th only defines who can be a ordinary citizen and that arguably only applies to when the 14th was ratified. "Natural Born" is a class specified by Article 2, section 1.

You guess right..

Only because you get it free from the LIC..

+1.

Can't be all things to all people, but I then, I'm not you. I still can't get my head around how accepting a possible lie is any indicator of a superior intellect.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


"Natural" born was not addressed in any other way in the Constitution regarding it's intent or meaning. The 14th is regarded as the defining word.

You don't like it, take it to the Supreme Court and see where it goes.

BENDER,I guess if you had a telleprompter you might could SLIDE BY!You think?

We fully intend to.

For that matter, do we have to have the Supremes define"is" too?

GET OVER IT! The republicans LOST the election. My God. Don't folks have anything better to do????

hint.. it's been tried all ready.

Like I said, the ultimate play of the race card has been made. That little charade will not go on forever.

This is about Truth. And I firmly believe that all that has been hidden will be revealed.

This special citizenship requirement is not arcane, nor is the fact that the 14th has nothing to do with it. The 14th did not amend Article 2.

Some more reading for you to relieve you of your darkness: Natural Born Explaned

Only if my reading level were up to the task. It's tough always being the dumb guy.....

Do a little more research, precedent has been set..

This is nothing new, it's been tried, and tossed out.

Just accept that he's a chitty president, and act upon that indisputable fact. No need for tinfoil..

Respectfully,Loco,I can't see how you can take into consideration his choice of appointees,his associates,his own admissions over the years,and say he's not a communist.Look at Bill Ayers,look at his former GREEN CZAR,look at all the other admitted socialist communists he has surrounded himself with.If McCarthy could see this,he'd die all over again.No, he's not just a bad president,he's got an agenda.

You're giving him more credit than he deserves.

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q[/video]

They can't release what doesn't exists.

Rancho_Loco, do you trust Barack Obama?

All I know is what I see - the chittiest president in a loooong time.

I won't make something up when there's nothing.

You are right on the money with this statesmen.

You guys miss the whole point.

Why would anyone have any reason to call in a fake announcement back in 1961?

It just doesn�t add up.

The best reason I would think of would be to make sure her son would be afforded all the benefits of U.S. vs. Kenyan citizenship. Or, it could be as simple as his mother simply not being aware of the law. After all, she was only 18. Anything we could possibly think of, is however, just conjecture. The grandparents, on the other hand, were pretty cogniscient of law, and certainly pushing the limits of what would be considered a "good American" at the time. Bending the law a bit seemed to be a normal lifestyle to them. Nobody had a crystal ball, but lack of proper documentation, for whatever reason, has certainly caused a ruckus.

Keep in mind the announcement is just that - an announcement of birth.. Just doesn't say where... And it had no import for anything else - at that time..

The fact that lefties are using that silly-azzed announcement as 'proof' that the LIC was born here is laughable.. And the fact that the LIC has done everything in his power to keep it squelched is just too suspicious for anyone in their right mind to accept..


Too many things wrong with this to just brush it off..

I know what the Constitution says as I'm sure everyone here does. So should he not have had to prove this before getting his name on any ballot.

I know I would.

Instead of wasting a lot of inconsequential blather on this why not wait for the courts to decide?

Why would the Constitution need to define it's "intent or meaning"? What are you, Bill Clinton needing a definition of "IS"?

"Natural born" is pretty damn obvious in meaning.

Never heard the 14th Amendment as the defining word on this subject. In fact I seem to recall McCain providing the Supreme Court with his documentation since he was born in the Canal Zone. If merely being a citizen was all that was needed, that would not have been necessary.

Also when George Romney ran during the 1968 presidential primary, it was questioned whether he would be eligible due to having been born in Mexico.

Then we have the 1974 Bill sponsored by Congressman Bingham of New York calling for a constitutional amendment that would make naturalized citizens eligible for the presidency so that Henry Kissinger might run for President. Now why would he do that, if it was SO established that the 14th amendment took care of that?

Then in 2003 Orin Hatch put forth the "Equal opportunity to Govern Amendment" to do the same for Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Now why would he do that? Arnold was most assuredly a "citizen".

Are you claiming to be more of a Constitutional expert than Senator Orrin Hatch?

A clear clue that "Natural born" was intended to be more restrictive than just a "citizen" is in Article 2 of the Constitution itself:



If merely being a "citizen" was all that was necessary, there would have been no need to separate "natural born" and "Citizen...at the time of the adoption of this Constitution".

Clearly, the intent was that "Natural born" be just that. The only reason the grandfather clause was added was because the founding fathers were not "Natural Born citizens", there having been no "United States" at the time each of them were born.

If one actually does a little research, one would find that the founding fathers were concerned with foreigners obtaining power in the future, and thus "natural born" was included purposefully.

The 14th Amendment, or any Amendment, cannot modify any portion of the Constitution other than what it specifically Amends. A natural born citizen, is not a naturalized citizen, no matter how much you wish it. Both are fine for citizenship, but only one meets the criteria of President or Vice President.

Do a little research.

This has been tried, and thrown out...

No amount of tin foil is going to change it.

Tin foil is cheap, and it doesn't take much to make my hat. There is a reason that the CIA posted his birth in the newspaper in Honolulu, and there are reasons that his school records...ALL of his records have been sealed. Why spend over a million bucks if all is in order?

Not the way some members here burn through it!

I just provided you plenty of contradictory evidence to your little leftist talking points argument.

Thrown out by who? The Supreme Court has declined thus far to hear it based upon the standing of those bringing forth the case, not once has it been thrown out on the merits.

What does tinfoil have to do with what the Constitution states? The argument isn't whether dumbass was born here, neither you nor I, Know for a fact whether he was or wasn't. The argument is you attempting to desecrate the Constitution with kindergarten logic.

I don't know whether or not there is anything to Obama meeting the requirement for natural born or not. I do know that nobody spends that kind of money to hide things unless they have something pretty serious to hide. Your premise that by not proving his detractors wrong he makes them look worse doesn't work for me. It would be pretty simple for him to make all of them look a lot worse now - produce the records that they wish to see. They all look like kooks and the questions go away. I think it's pretty reasonable to believe that he's hiding something fairly serious in nature.

It doesn't matter what you know or don't know. There is no requirement for you or I to have a Driver's License, yet if we want to drive, we have to have one to do so legally and be ready to present said documentation to the proper authorities upon request. Barak Obama has never presented his Birth Certificate or other proof to proper authorities, let alone the American people themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_v._Wilkins

Ankeny v. Govenor

Ftw? You're a lawyer now? It don't matter how many Injuns do whatever. Maybe Obama is totally legal, but nobody knows because he won't pony up the proof. It doesn't matter whether he was born here or whether his parents were legal if nobody can determine it. The SCOTUS won't hear the case based on standing, like you've already been told. No bigtime politician will make a big push because they are all pusssies who don't want to be the next one shot in the head in some Arizona supermarket by some crazy.

geez, you boys are getting pretty worked up now.

Time to loosen up your tinfoil hats...

IOW "I got nothing."

Or maybe if this is kept in the forefront, the bigger issues that really could be damning can remain undetected and under the radar.

There are very few issues bigger than who our President is and whether or not he is even legally so. If he is not eligible to be President, then he is not President, as others have said. If he is not President, who is and what of all the legislation that the Great Pretender signed? Almost all other issues pale in comparison to this one.

I am not saying he isn't eligible. I'm saying, like most other folks, that if he is, why all the secrecy and failure to disclose? Millions of dollars to prevent disclosure. Most folks smell a rat but some have their sinuses blocked.

Would you please enlighten us on what those "bigger issues that really could be damning" could be that should take priority over a blatant violation of Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution!!!

It just shows how easily the Democratic sheeple can be duped.
And as long as the conservative Right is split by multiple goofs like Palin, it will work every time!

And this is what you have?

What a dumbass thing to say. First everything was Bush's fault and now Palin. At least she is trying to do something. What are you doing to help ? miles

Absolutely ANYTHING to avoid being called a kook or foil hat wearer... including allowing a foreign national illegally obtain and hold the highest office in the land.

Hasn't letting the lefties and their childish tactics win, again and again, cost this nation enough as it is? Is there anything more spineless than not standing up to the left and their lies and diversionary maneuvers?

When liberals pull the race card or the birther card, everyone is to fall silent? And let them win?

Some of you wimps can surrender to this BS all you want.
Not me.
Ever!

There is nothing that happens in the earth but what is allowed. Th only thing require for evil to succeed is good men do nothing.
Carry on, Rancho loco, carry on.

It's true all this tinfoil kookery and birther skwaking may not let the wind out of dingleBarry's sails here and now but it can and will keep him from running in 2012. It should be kept front and center.

If there weren't so many wimps in the media, the congress and among the general public it'd have an effect in the here and now, but....
well...
Carry on...

Courageous kooks who demand truth will keep it front and center and pick up the slack for those disinclined to take a stand. It' of no moment.

Count me in to stand on your side..

Unfortunately the question is not "is he serving illegaly" , but ;"can we prove he is serving illegaly?".

For this lightweight to come out of nowhere and get nominated for the office that the Clinton machine had spent years preparing Hillary for , took some really big players behind him .

You can bet that those types cared less about whether he was an american citizen than whether they could sucessfully hide the fact that he is not .I wouldn't bet against them in their own game .

In this instance ,the Truth is what you can prove .

I was born several years before the Empty-Suit-In-Chief and in a state that was/is probably less sophisticated and/or concerned with things like record keeping and I can produce a birth certificate at the drop of a hat.
I have the embossed original and can also drive to the county seat and get a copy pronto.

What's holding ole Barry up?

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I'm also one for manning up and answering the questions put before you. Even moreso when you are elected to public office.
Show us the money!

After the left has repeatedly and in infinite ways proven their insanity and inability to reason does their claims that others are kooks or stupid have any merit?

Why are we afriad of their labels?

Call me a kook and he is the one that is refusing to produce proof of the necessary qualifications?

The bottom line is no one knows where Obama was born. Has anyone considered the possibilty that there is no formal birth certificate because his mom birthed him at home,wherever that may have been at the time? Then,family members simply called in the birth announcements while mom worked her way back to Hawaii.

While I cautiously accept the reality he's probably a US citizen, I do believe there are facts which would make his re-election more difficult if they were disclosed. He didn't get a elite college and law school education, at prestigious universities,all paid for,simply by being a citizen of the US and a resident of Hawaii.

I wonder what those old birth announcements say about which hospital and other details.