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Posted By: gbp Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
http://www.c-span.org/Events/House-Panel-Continues-Look-into-Fast-and-Furious/10737422274-2/

On now
Sickening,..and I hope damning testimony..! Heads should roll on this one.
I've got it running on a different tab...hypnotic testimony.
Real justice would involve charges of conspiracy to commit murder for everybody involved in those policy decisions.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
Couple of notes on ATF testimony...

Special Agent Casa just testified that FN pistols are "cop killers" and penetrate police vests?

Earlier Agent Forcelli testified about how badly ATF needs info on any multiple firearm sales so that they can use that to spot gun trafficking. The Rep. from Massachusetts was drooling all over that. Forcelli also basically said that they review FFL logs looking for leads.
Originally Posted by Calhoun
Couple of notes on ATF testimony...

Special Agent Casa just testified that FN pistols are "cop killers" and penetrate police vests?


I believe he was talking about a suspected straw purchaser who had just bought ten of them...these... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_seven
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
Thinking Sarah Brady is in the crowd.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
MM, yes he was talking about that, but his comment about how a certain brand of pistol is a cop killer seemed VERY odd coming from somebody who should be firearm knowledgeable. He could have said that the pistols can fire ammunition that can penetrate police vests, but to call the pistol itself a cop killer was very Hollywood and just plain ignorant.
I turned my TV to the CSPAN channel for the House , thinking the hearings might be on it, and - are you ready for this - the call-in topic is ;"What does Pres. Obama need to do to ensure re-election in 2012?"

Looks like Soros has bought CSPAN also.
AAG Ronald Weich is already laying out his groundwork for duck & dodge in his opening statement..."commenting on confidential ongoing criminal investigations" what a [bleep] jackwagon...
WOW! listen to Issa rip that dude a new one...
Issa is tearing him a new ass hole right now...GOOD STUFF!!!
Posted By: gbp Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
Issa's on him now!
Posted By: gbp Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
"felony stupid bad judgement" good stuff
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
Wow.. Issa is amazing, and SERIOUSLY ticked!
Posted By: shreck Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
Good stuff.
I bet Missouri is real proud of Rep. William Lacy Clay...

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Originally Posted by Deerwhacker444
I bet Missouri is real proud of Rep. William Lacy Clay...

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Chicago's just up the road a ways.. grin despite Clays best efforts, I have faith that Issa's gonna get some heads...TROPHY caliber...suitable for mounting.. grin
Whoo Hooo Rep. Jason Chaffetz..!

This guy is going to make someone bleed before this is over...!
i smell a goose cookin' laugh
this azz hat Weich dosent intend to answer any questions does he?
Weich is bobbing & weaving but it's patently clear he's fudging his answers...
Weich's body language as he left the hearing spoke volumes about his state of mind!

He left there with the understanding that even the senior Democrat on the panel is VERY unhappy with him and Holder.

I hope that the message gets back and that they really get dwon to it.

I'm concerned that the POTUS will claim executive privelege and have documents and/or testimony will be withheld.

Ed
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
There's very strict limits on Presidential executive privilege, and emails between ATF director Melson and Holder or others about operational details or operational statuses wouldn't fit into it. DOJ is hosed, and they are running scared.

Weich will very possibly be charged with lying to Congress for his earlier letter on February 4th stating that ATF did not allow guns to be walked.
Originally Posted by Calhoun
There's very strict limits on Presidential executive privilege, and emails between ATF director Melson and Holder or others about operational details or operational statuses wouldn't fit into it. DOJ is hosed, and they are running scared.

Weich will very possibly be charged with lying to Congress for his earlier letter on February 4th stating that ATF did not allow guns to be walked.


Dont hold your breath on that. We'll get one mid level head rolling, a little, and the rest re-assignments, early retirements, and the like.

This too shall pass, and the hand slaps wont be heard round the world.

Also, be prepared for some world class spin which turns all of this into a gun control issue.

Fully supported by your MSM (GS)
Weich shoulda been led out in handcuffs.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
I think you missed Issa yelling at Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich, and wanting him to produce the person who wrote that line in that letter.

The February 4th letter states, "At the outset, the allegation described in your January 27 letter - that ATF "sanctioned" or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them into Mexico - is false."

It doesn't say that it's false to the best of their knowledge, it says that it's false. That's been proved a flat out lie. And he repeated it in a letter in May.

The media isn't going to be involved in this, Issa has the power all by himself to move this along and he will. It is NOT going to die.

And it won't be a "mid-level", acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson is proved to have been involved, and it will go higher than him.

I expect to hear about the next hearing and set of subpoena's to in the next day or two. I'm betting it will involve Newell, Melson, etc. Then they will have to name people in the DOJ, and the next hearing will involve them.
Obiged for the updates , Calhoun.The video on the link only plays a couple of seconds for me so I can't track it.
Anybody thinks is "Going Away" is really delusional, and today was a GOOD kickoff..

I didn't see ALL of the hearings today,.....( damned fire is keeping us all hopping here in the potential path of it).

Did catch Issa's 'How dare you' and "Don't apologize for me" lines though.

Do you reckon these hearings will be up on Youtube ?

GTC

Posted By: Redneck Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
I like this Trey Gowdy dude.. He's tryin' to get potatoes and the respondent is givin' him lettuce.. laugh laugh
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
The entire 4 hour hearing can be viewed here on cspan, don't know how long the video will stay there.

Since it's 4 hours, doubt it will make it in it's entirety to youtube. Maybe, and there are a couple other places it might be available at.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/300051-1
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Gun Walker - C Span Live - 06/15/11
The media wakes up...



CBS covers it..

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7370153n&tag=mncol;lst;1

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7370147n&tag=mncol;lst;2

CNN covers it..

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/15/us.fast.and.furious/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

MSNBC covers it..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43413017/ns/world_news-americas/

ABC covers it..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13846223
Will a transcript be available on line , do you reckon ?
my gratitude to those agents that at least tried to interdict and seize those weapons.


imo a perfect example of gov't bureaucracy run amok, when higher ups brushed off their concerns.
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