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Posted By: Whiptail Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
It's amazing what these people dig up when you decide to run for president.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-n-word/2011/10/02/gIQAjOeVFL_blog.html

For the uninitiated, hunting and fishing camps are like college frat houses, with lots of liquor and bawdy talk, a place where men of all ages and races go and get in touch with their inner caveman. I have been to a couple and, unless I am fairly sure of the people who are going to be there, I turn down the invitations. Quite frankly, the combination of alcohol and weapons scares me. But they are entrenched in the culture of the part of the south I grew up in.

Perry�s camp was apparently called [bleep], and he paraded family and friends through there regularly over the years. The governor rightly says the word has no place in current society and that it should not have been there for all to see. But it�s unclear what, if anything, he did about it.

Here�s what he told the Post.

�When my Dad joined the lease in 1983, he took the first opportunity he had to paint over the offensive word on the rock during the 4th of July holiday,� Perry said in his initial response. �It is my understanding that the rock was eventually turned over to further obscure what was originally written on it.�
Perry said that he was not with his father when he painted over the name but that he �agreed with� the decision.

In response to follow-up questions, Perry gave a more detailed account.

�My mother and father went to the lease and painted the rock in either 1983 or 1984,� Perry wrote. �This occurred after I paid a visit to the property with a friend and saw the rock with the offensive work. After my visit I called my folks and mentioned it to them, and they painted it over during their next visit.�
But in subsequent years, as Perry advanced through the political ranks, visitors to the camp recalled seeing the rock with the offending name on it.

Why is any of this important today?

Perry said the word on the rock is an �offensive name that has no place in the modern world.� It certainly has no place in the sphere of those who would seek to lead the nation. The times when the use of the word [bleep] was rampant in this society can be viewed with rose-colored glasses by many in the Old South who recall a genteel time when there were no problems between the races and blacks stayed in their place.

But often the silence from black people, particularly in the smallest rural hamlets, was because people were afraid for their lives. They knew that the people who called them [bleep] had license to do more.

That�s why our leaders�even those who grew up segregated places�have to disassociate themselves from these vile terms. Gov. Perry needs to assure those he hopes to lead that he has done so.

If thats what Perry calls his camp its out of line. Way out of line!

I have had a camp for 47 years and little or no liquor gets consumed there. If someone brings it then its theirs.

The language is decent there. Of course we may tell a joke but the camp is called: The camp.
Posted By: NathanL Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by Savage_99
If thats what Perry calls his camp its out of line. Way out of line!

I have had a camp for 47 years and little or no liquor gets consumed there. If someone brings it then its theirs.

The language is decent there. Of course we may tell a joke but the camp is called: The camp.


Well people better not look at quad maps of TX then. The word appears a lot and I'm not sure how you refer to something if you don't use the name that is on the map.

I can't count the number of fish I've caught in blind [bleep] cove, just like it's named on the map.
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Don, who give a schit what your camp, or his, is called?

And, the fact that a place was called something before, has no bearing on anything now.

I can recall more than a few off-color names for places in Vermont and New Hampshire that still appear on old records.

Perhaps you should crusade against them, you dolt.
Wonder how many folks know what the word means.
Just like [bleep]
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Don doesn't, and never has, cared about facts.
[bleep]???

THEY don't have a clue!!
Posted By: NathanL Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
[bleep]???

THEY don't have a clue!!


You still hear that pretty often and it's written in articles often enough people should know.
They had a team penning at Madison Square Garden back in the 'eighties or early 'nineties and a team from Megargel Tx had made the Finals.Now, Megargel is about halfway between Olney and Seymour on Hiway 114 , but this one old boy didn't actually live IN Megargel.He lived East of Megargel and just West of a black man's BBQ joint.

Some young local female TV reporter was interviewing the cowboys and she latched on to this old boy.She had been having trouble pronouncing "Megargel" , but she asked ;

"Are you from Megargel,too?"

"No ma'am , I live between it and [bleep] Ben's!"

And it made it on the air un-censored.
FWIW,we have some rocks that vary in size from throwing size up to small boulders that are black and real hard.They are called "[bleep] rocks" and chances are that's how Perry's camp got it's name.

WE don't actually NAME our camps.We just refer to them by some nearby place name.Perry's camp is probably close to "[bleep] Pens" or [bleep] windmill" or some such.
Posted By: eyeball Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
[bleep] mt lies just south of Lake Buchanan Tx and when I was a kid I read that on the geo. survey emblem ensconced at the sumitt.
Posted By: BOBBALEE Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11


I'm going to be [bleep] in my response. Bob
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Poor Dumbass Don must not have been over to Marshfield, VT during his years there...

[bleep] Mountain and [bleep] Pond, both right near that little town.
Posted By: AlaskaFE Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Poor Dumbass Don must not have been over to Marshfield, VT during his years there...

[bleep] Mountain and [bleep] Pond, both right near that little town.


I've tripped over a more than a few [bleep] when stalking caribou out in the tundra.

Originally Posted by AlaskaFE
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Poor Dumbass Don must not have been over to Marshfield, VT during his years there...

[bleep] Mountain and [bleep] Pond, both right near that little town.


I've tripped over a more than a few [bleep] when stalking caribou out in the tundra.



Exactly, lot of folks up here refer to certain areas of the tundra as [bleep].
Open this,....hit "Play". John Ware, Alberta's "Black Cowboy",

Link: http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/song_details/8138217

...The old boy who inspired this had a mountain in the Alberta front range (overlooking his original spread along the Highwood River) named for him,....." [bleep] John Ridge"

They changed the 1:25 topos in the 80s,....and that somehow wound up changed to "Ware Peak".

To here the old timers talk about their parent's take,.....Old John would have preferred it the way it was to start with.

"P.C." is a disease.



Then there was the Negro in old Point Barrow who said that he was the only white man (meaning not Inuit) north of the Arctic Circle.

Seriously.
Wonder if a black person really knows if they get blackheads on there face and necks?
We have [bleep] all over the place up here. Some of them are put on the maps and such. Everyone knows about them but nobody likes them.
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
[bleep]???

THEY don't have a clue!!

The word [bleep] has been in the English language, in a variety of spellings, since the fourteenth century (OED, 1374), so I don't think that it came from any reference to Negros.
Originally Posted by crossfireoops
� "P.C." is a disease.

Ain't dat de troof!

First thing you know, we'll have to call the absence of light or color "non-Caucasian." "Dark" and "black" will be "racist."

There've already long been those sick minds that allege that everything that's long, narrow, straight, and hard � like icicles, pencils, telephone poles, and such � are by their very nature and existence "phallic symbols." (Why does the phrase "sounding brass and tinkling cymbals come so easily to mind?)
Posted By: las Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by AlaskaFE
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Poor Dumbass Don must not have been over to Marshfield, VT during his years there...

[bleep] Mountain and [bleep] Pond, both right near that little town.


I've tripped over a more than a few [bleep] when stalking caribou out in the tundra.



My brother continues to use that term for tussocks. It causes the rest of the family to blanch. Not that we didn't used to use it thoughtlessly ourselves. But we went PC for cause.

He's on his second black wife.... The first one didn't last because of an affinity for a white powder - and the fact that she was bug-fug nuts...
And the cable drum on a winch used to be called �
Posted By: las Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by Ken Howell
And the cable drum on a winch used to be called �


a Coke-head?
Elmer Keith and his Inuit guide were coming back to an Arctic village from a caribou hunt when one of the guide's little sons came running out to meet 'em.

"Daddy, Daddy! Johnny fell down 'tween the [bleep]!"

"Oh, he'll get out all right."

"But he's in there head-first!"

Elmer said that when they ran there, two wee legs were waving ever more slowly in the air.
Posted By: las Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Must have been small tussocks.
Posted By: las Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
The first moose (53") that I ever deliberately used a CNS shot on(just behind and below the left ear at @ 30 yards) went straight down of course, with all four legs under him. Wedged between two 3 foot high tussocks. I was hunting solo.

That was interesting...
A bull elk that I killed high in the Sapphires in 1957 slid downhill and came to a stop under a high tiddly-winks pile of lodgepole blow-down. I still don't know how I ever managed to get all that meat out. Just getting over that mountain of lodgepole poles was a struggle.

Cruising timber 'way back in the Missions in 1955, I fell head-first into a similar lodgepole blow-down, with my arms pinned along my sides, my shoulders supported by two poles, and my head a foot or two above the ground. If Tommy Farr hadn't been there to pull me out, my bones'd still be there.

I usually cruised alone, but that day I was showing Tommy how 'twas done.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
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the term was once widely used for all sorts of things, including products such as soap and chewing tobacco, but most often for geographic features such as hills and rocks. In the U.S., more than hundred "[bleep]" and other place names now considered racially offensive were changed in 1962 by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names, but many local names remained unchanged.[1]



I've lost all respect for Cain and his playing the race card.
Posted By: Jeff_O Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Guess you showed HIM! smile

We have some Nubian goats we bottle-raised from when they were the size of cats. Every goat Bob amongst them, got a hoof caught in these clumps of cascara we have. They'd put a hoof on a trunk to reach high for the leaves, slip, and get it wedged. Each goat did it once.

Without intervention, there'd be three goat skeletons hanging from their wrists in my woods.
Posted By: las Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I'll cut him a little slack - maybe he didn't know the timing- the Socialist Media have been emphasizing that "the timing of the paint-over is unknown" - which is apparently not the case- I mean- it was 25 years ago! but the spin is in.

Cain was right- that nomenclature is "insensitive". And apparently Perry agrees, so I've no problem with either of them.
Posted By: las Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by Ken Howell
A bull elk that I killed high in the Sapphires in 1957 slid downhill and came to a stop under a high tiddly-winks pile of lodgepole blow-down. I still don't know how I ever managed to get all that meat out. Just getting over that mountain of lodgepole poles was a struggle.

Cruising timber 'way back in the Missions in 1955, I fell head-first into a similar lodgepole blow-down, with my arms pinned along my sides, my shoulders supported by two poles, and my head a foot or two above the ground. If Tommy Farr hadn't been there to pull me out, my bones'd still be there.

I usually cruised alone, but that day I was showing Tommy how 'twas done.


BTDT. I had the 100# plus hind of a friend's moose on my back when I tripped in a bog. Those straight down arms didn't help a bit in that muck. If two companions hadn't pulled my face out of the mud and water, I'd be there yet. There was not a darned thing I could do to help myself. Talk about being helpless!
I think most of this schitt is how we got BHO elected as POTUS. I'm going to bet that Cain never experienced one second of discrimination in his whole life and I'd bet a dollar to a pig turd that he has used his own insensitive "N-word" more than once in that lifetime. I'm no Perry fan, and now Cain has a strike against him as well. I am so tired of these guys tearing each other down and not telling us what the HELL they are going to do as President. None of them really have a plan except to get into office and do the same thing every president has done, advance their OWN agenda.

It's gotten to the point where people can't even talk any more because somebody is going to be offended by some aspect of the language and start pouting.


Alan
Posted By: jimmyp Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by SU35
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the term was once widely used for all sorts of things, including products such as soap and chewing tobacco, but most often for geographic features such as hills and rocks. In the U.S., more than hundred "[bleep]" and other place names now considered racially offensive were changed in 1962 by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names, but many local names remained unchanged.[1]



I've lost all respect for Cain and his playing the race card.

yep I agree, especially if its a common name
Posted By: isaac Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by Savage_99
If thats what Perry calls his camp its out of line. Way out of line!

I have had a camp for 47 years and little or no liquor gets consumed there. If someone brings it then its theirs.

The language is decent there. Of course we may tell a joke but the camp is called: The camp.

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What a frikken goofball. How many times have you been busted during the circle jerk,Liberace?
Originally Posted by NathanL
Originally Posted by Savage_99
If thats what Perry calls his camp its out of line. Way out of line!

I have had a camp for 47 years and little or no liquor gets consumed there. If someone brings it then its theirs.

The language is decent there. Of course we may tell a joke but the camp is called: The camp.


Well people better not look at quad maps of TX then. The word appears a lot and I'm not sure how you refer to something if you don't use the name that is on the map.

I can't count the number of fish I've caught in blind [bleep] cove, just like it's named on the map.


Thank you Nathan! I know of several ash juniper covered knobs (one in Travis Co.!) with the same name! As well as on the map. But now reads "Negro-head" on the quad. I dunno why they don't find that just as offensive...

BN
there's reefs in Baffin Bay called little and big [bleep] head.they were on the chart, of baffin bay.
Yeah, it's like when my youngest son was dis-qualified from UIL Poetry competition in Jr. Hi. when he recited a Kipling poem about a battery horse named "Snarleyow"

BN
Posted By: Mako25 Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
*scratchin' head*

How'd Cain get drug into this?


As to the whining and crying of the article's author, I don't feel his pain - at all. The term has nothing to do with humans.

I picked enough [bleep] (rocks) while farming to build the damn fence between the US and Mexico.

On this, Perry would have gotten a clean-pass, but for his capitulation on the subject. Good grief - grow a pair.
The use of that word in the context of a part of town where killing is rampant got me kicked off a popular forum.If you are really offended by that word don't go to Africa,both colors use it quite often.There is even a bunch of "high yeller's" that live in Reboth that call themselves "Bastards" and are proud of it.
Posted By: Mako25 Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
The term refers to a rock - pretty simple really.
Posted By: isaac Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
How'd Cain get drug into this?
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He has to climb over the top of someone in the polls. This was a easy first shot over the bow. We'll see if it gains traction out the 24H.
Posted By: Mako25 Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Did Cain breech the subject?

The linked article doesn't even reference Herman.
Posted By: ColsPaul Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
What?
The term [bleep] was used in the South?
Next thing you know, someone will still wish to wave the battle flag of the Confedercy!

Posted By: Mako25 Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I assure you the [bleep] I picked for decades were 'bout as close to the Canadian border as you can get without namin' 'em "eyh-one, eyh-two", etc.
Originally Posted by Mako25
Did Cain breech the subject?

The linked article doesn't even reference Herman.



I re-read each post and then read the linked article trying to see where I missed a statement by Cain.

nada
I'm betting Cain was asked about it...he's in a tight spot no matter what he says. As far as Perry and un-pc stuff, southern boys are automaticaly guilty to anyone north of the gnat line...even though Austin is not as racist as Boston.
Much ado about nothing. The people making hay with this weren't going to vote for him anyway; his supporters aren't going to change their minds over it.

If it does sway an individual's vote, they're looking in all the wrong places.
I don't agree Smokepole. But I hope that your right.

Here in the North East you never hear that adjective used. It would seem low class or insulting to a negro to use it.

Thus if your not from the NE you may not understand.

this coming from an azzhole that disparages the Japanese. nothing but a hypocrite.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by noharleyyet
I'm betting Cain was asked about it...he's in a tight spot no matter what he says. As far as Perry and un-pc stuff, southern boys are automaticaly guilty to anyone north of the gnat line...even though Austin is not as racist as Boston.


Yes he was on FOX yesterday and was "shocked." The MSM will run with this and coupled with Perry's pisspoor debating performace it does not bode well for him.
Posted By: isaac Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I feel Perry will be judged largely on his next debate performance. I'm guessing Romney will be the one alongside Perry in what will likely be a lively, contentious debate. Romney best be prepared himself as Perry is going after him big time,I'm guessing.
Thus if your not from the NE you may not understand."

And if you ARE from the Northeast you're gonna vote for Obama anyway , so why are you posting?

Posted By: GeauxLSU Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Hopefully Cain will state in the debate in regards to the matter "I believe Gov. Perry has addressed this issue already, satisfactorily, and I have no issue with Gov. Perry in regards to this. Now let's get on to some substantive matters relative to this race for the President of the United States."

As of now I'm voting for Cain and have issues with Perry but I sure hope THIS does not in anyway contribute to his undoing. It would be refreshing if the debates and the selection process were comprised of meaningful issues. But yes, the press will attempt to mile this, as they already have, for all it's worth. I certainly hope Mr. Cain rises above it and sees it for what it is. I suspect he will. If he doesn't, strike on him.
If "the Real Rick Perry" shows up , his debate performance will for sure hurt Romney , but will offend some of the kinder,gentler folks that make up the electorate , not to mention the MSM.That's been his dilemma from the git-go.
Posted By: isaac Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Well, if Christie changes his mind and jumps in, that will hurt Romney from the get-go and add another interesting twist to the dynamic.
Christie's reluctance to run for the Presidency brings to mind Lincoln's answer to a question about how he liked being President.

Lincoln replied that he thought pretty much like a man who'd been tarred and feathered and was being toted out of town astraddle a fence rail when somebody taunted him with the question how he liked the ride.

"If 'twarn't f'the honor, I'd as soon walk."
Yep.One likely scenario a few months ago was Romney staying "above the fray" and cruising to the nomination.Then Perry got in.

Perry staying atop the polls and taking no serious hits was never a likely scenario.

Christie getting in will add some excitement but I still think it comes down to Romney and Perry and to be decided by delegate count well before the convention.The jockeying for early primary dates among the states is going to alter campaign strategy for both camps.

Perry will likely be behind , but not out of it,by the time Super Tuesday rolls around.

Assuming there will even BE a Super Tuesday this go-round !
Meanwhile, the communist's are seizing the United States of America.
I wish fervently that all the GOP candidates would see the ruinous political folly of shooting at each other and instead center their fusillades on �bama bin Nada and the Demoncraps.

Even I know that all their snide sniping at each other will be fulsome fodder for the left's pro-�bama, anti-GOP snot-flinging in the home stretch of the campaign leading-up to November 2012.

From Paul to Perry and Roemer to Romney, they all should've concentrated their fire on �bama bin Nada, Pelosi, Reid, and their claques from Day One.

Never waste an opportunity to shoot at a real varmint.

The final, decisive, compelling comparison should be how well they compete with �bama and the Demoncraps, not how well they compete with each other.
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The final, decisive, compelling comparison should be how well they compete with the Demoncraps, not how well they compete with each other.


Yes sir, Newt style.
Posted By: ColsPaul Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I'm with you sir.
I wish the Rep primary was next week, so they had an entire year to assure that Barry is a one term POTUS.

My greatest fear is that with all the sniping and sideshows, politicians running without even saying they are..or not

that come Nov 2012, we wake up in shock again!
shocked
Originally Posted by plainsman456
Wonder how many folks know what the word means.
Just like [bleep]


Interesting reference on wrong assumptions about the meaning and origin of the word "[bleep]".

PCness is a real pain in the neck.
Posted By: Scott F Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I do not know about Texas but in the Pacific Northwest it is a logging term.
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Originally Posted by Savage_99
I don't agree Smokepole. But I hope that your right.

Here in the North East you never hear that adjective used. It would seem low class or insulting to a negro to use it.

Thus if your not from the NE you may not understand.



Bullschit.

The word is heard fairly frequently in the Northeast. Lived there, heard it. Try slate quarries for a sidetrip from "LaLa Land" some time.

The fact is, the adjective is still used, and it's still on maps up there, too.

Posted By: oulufinn Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
There are actual legitimate problems with Perry without reaching for ridiculous crap like this.. It seems to be more of someone trying to gotcha Cain by saying he played the race card, than Perry. I'd like to hear the entire context of any of these supposed racecard remarks by Cain.

Maybe he did actually play the card & maybe not. If so it was a bonehead mistake & needs to be addressed.
Originally Posted by oulufinn
There are actual legitimate problems with Perry without reaching for ridiculous crap like this.. It seems to be more of someone trying to gotcha Cain by saying he played the race card, than Perry. I'd like to hear the entire context of any of these supposed racecard remarks by Cain.

Maybe he did actually play the card & maybe not. If so it was a bonehead mistake & needs to be addressed.


Yes that's right but when was the last time you didn't see the D's use the race card when it was so handy?
Posted By: MikeinTX Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
In old VT a [bleep] was the set of logs that one set up to place the logs being transported on the sled, wagon or truck. The name comes from Great Britain according to my deceased grandfather.
Posted By: Scott F Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Same as the Pac NW.
from the Oxford English Dictionary

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ˈ[bleep]

Also [bleep]-head, [bleep] head.

1. a.1.a N. Amer. (See quot. 1859.) Also, N.Z., the tussocks formed in swampy ground by species of Carex, esp. C. secta.

���1859 Bartlett Dict. Amer., [bleep]-Heads, the tussocks or knotted masses of the roots of sedges and ferns projecting above the wet surface of a swamp. ���1873 Routledge's Young Gentlm. Mag. Mar. 236/2 Stepping from one flax⁓bush or [bleep]-head to the other. ���1882 T. H. Potts Out in Open 76 Penetrating the dead massy root of an old plant of [bleep]-head (carex virgata). ���1904 J. Lynch Three Yrs. Klondike 41 We plunged into a mire of muddy water and �[bleep]-heads�. �[bleep]-heads� are detachments of dark moss about a foot in diameter, lifting their heads just above the water or marshy subsoil. ���1910 R. W. Service Ballads of Cheechako 19 And there was the little lone moose trail.‥ By muskeg hollow and [bleep] it wandered endlessly. ���1921 H. Guthrie-Smith Tutira xii. 103 The outer edges of these marshes were rough with [bleep]'s-head (Carex secta). ���1947 J. H. Brown Outdoors Unlimited 314 The ptarmigan cackled in the manner of a Bronx cheer as it flew to a nearby [bleep]-head. ���1950 N.Z. Jrnl. Agric. Apr. 356/3 Excellent crops and pastures‥where before only [bleep]⁓heads, rushes, and swamp plants were flourishing. ���1958 P. Berton Klondike 44 The great clumps of grass �[bleep]⁓heads� that marked the mouth of Rabbit. ���1961 C. Vyvyan Arctic Adventure xxi. 126 We had to negotiate about a mile of open country across [bleep]-heads.

b.1.b U.S. A spherical prickly cactus belonging to the genera Ferocactus or Echinocactus.

���1877 H. C. Hodge Arizona 244 The kind [of cactus] commonly called the [bleep] head is round, of the size of a cabbage, and covered with large, crooked, catlike thorns. ���1881 [see barrel cactus]. ���1940 E. C. Jaeger Calif. Deserts (rev. ed.) 181 Closely allied to this is the Mohavean [bleep]. ���1966 E. Y. Dawson Cacti of Calif. 51 (heading) [bleep] Heads (Echinocactus polycephalus).

c.1.c U.S. The black-eyed Susan, Rudbeckia hirta, a yellow composite flower with a dark centre.

���1893 S. F. Price Flora of Warren County, Kentucky 15 Rudbeckia‥fulgida.‥ Cone flower. �[bleep]-head�. ���1931 W. N. Clute Common Names of Plants 45 A number of composites with yellow rays and dark centers are commonly known as [bleep], though the more polite term is black-eyed Susan. ���1966 Publ. Amer. Dial. Soc. 1964 xlii. 21 [bleep].‥ The black-eyed Susan (Rudbeckia hirta).

2.2 A rock, stone, lump of coral, etc.

���1847 H. Howe Hist. Coll. of Ohio 569 It was a saw mill, with a small pair of stones attached, made of boulders, or �[bleep] heads�, as they are commonly called. ���1876 J. Moresby Discov. New Guinea 3 A crowd of �[bleep] heads�, black points of coral rock, peep up in places. ���1877 Raymond Statist. Mines & Mining 56 The bowlders, composed of quartz, �[bleep] heads�, and micaceous schists, are not large. ���1885 in Amer. Speech (1961) XXXVI. 295 The term �[bleep] head� is used by the Kanawha miners to designate a hard, heavy, impure coal often resembling cannel. ���1886 Ann. Rep. Smithson. Inst. (1889) ii. 523 [bleep] head. (1) The black concretionary nodules found in granite; (2) Any hard, dark-colored rock weathering out into rounded nodules or bowlders; (3) Slaty rock associated with sandstone. ���1898 Morris Austral Eng., [bleep]⁓head. Name given in New Zealand to hard blackstones found at the Blue Spur and other mining districts. ���1901 Chambers's Jrnl. Sept. 634/1 He tightened his grip on the reins as he caught the dim outline of a treacherous [bleep]-head stone. ���1908 E. J. Banfield Confessions of Beachcomber i. ii. 57 Nothing was left of the big ship save some distorted fragments of iron jammed in among the [bleep]-heads of coral. ���1916 C. Sandburg Chicago Poems 41 A boy passes and throws a [bleep] that chips off the end of the nose [of a statue]. ���1948 E. N. Dick Dixie Frontier 4 Bears rolled �[bleep] head� stones over and ate the grubs and field mice. ���1956 M. L. West Gallows on Sand viii. 89 We moored the skiff to a [bleep], one of those jutting stumps of dead coral which are found all over the reefs, and which have the look of a frizzled skull on top of a stumpy neck.

3.3 = Negro-head 2. Also attrib.

���1843 J. Lumsden Amer. Memoranda (1844) 14 My next communication will probably contain full details of the methods adopted by the Virginian planters in the manufacturing of the [bleep]-head, ladies'-twist, [etc.]. ���1860 Nor' Wester (Red River Settlement) 28 June 4/5 After that I would smoke half a plug of �[bleep]-head tobacco�. ���1884 �Mark Twain� Huck. Finn xxi. 194 You borry'd store tobacco and paid back [bleep]-head. ���1893 J. A. Barry S. Brown's Bunyip, etc. 24 He‥had accepted as much strong �[bleep]�‥as would have stocked a tobacconist's shop. ���1894 Outing (U.S.) XXIV. 355/1 Cigarettes‥made of native grown tobacco or the rank cheap stuff called [bleep] twist. ���1936 Beaver Mar. 7/2 It is probably the lineal descendant of the [bleep]-head tobacco used in the Indian trade years ago, and as it came in ropes it was sold by the inch. ���1956 Crate & Williams We speak for Silent 3 Groceries�particularly tea and �[bleep]-head� (a trade-tobacco for smoking and chewing)�are his more necessary �luxuries�.

4.4 A variety of cowrie.

���1895 F. A. Steel Rowans x, Do you ever find [bleep] about here now?

5.5 U.S. slang. (See quot.)

���1872 Schele de Vere Americanisms 281 They were Democrats, and retorted upon violent Union men by calling them [bleep]. ���1946 W. S. Knickerbocker 20th Cent. English 149 [bleep].‥ After the Civil War it was used for a person in favor of full political equality for Negroes.

6.6 A type of fabric (see quot. 1950).

���1892�3 T. Eaton & Co. Catal. Fall & Winter 10/2 In the plain cloth jackets the materials are beavers, [bleep], serges and worsted. ���1950 �Mercury� Dict. Textile Terms 366/1 [bleep] Curl, a fancy dress cloth made from spiral yarn warp and mixture weft (cotton and wool).

7.7 (See quot.)

���1927 G. Bradford Gloss. Sea Terms 119/1 [bleep], a name for bollards, and sometimes applied to winch heads.
Wonder if loggers will be upset when the PC crowd goes after loggerheads.
Folks sure have a time with common English language when it suits them.
Posted By: Scott F Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I still live in logging country and have not heard the term used in the last twenty of more years.
Originally Posted by Savage_99
I don't agree Smokepole. But I hope that your right.

Here in the North East you never hear that adjective used. It would seem low class or insulting to a negro to use it.

Thus if your not from the NE you may not understand.



You misunderstood my post. I'm not defending the use of the term, and I fully comprehend that it's offensive. But as far as I understand it 1) it wasn't Perry's property and no one so far knows who wrote the term there; and 2) Perry's dad painted over it almost 30 years ago.

Maybe I'm missing something, but if those two things are true, it's much ado about nothing.
Posted By: Scott F Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Yep.
Posted By: 86thecat Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
What bothers me most about this witch hunt is the media giving 110% chasing down rumor and inuendo against the Republican candidates but stonewalled every question about "the chosen one". No honesty, no integrity, just irresponsible political pandering disguised as journalism.
Maybe the MSM will look into the derogatory slang Obama used 20 years ago when associating with radical anti-white, anti-American extremists.
and cain calls his camp honkyheads
Posted By: Mathsr Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I have been living in the South for 60 years and have never heard that term used even once.

I've heard a lot of derogatory terms, both racial and just mean, directed at people that should not have been. I was always told to consider the source...
Posted By: GeoW Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
Insensitive. To me, that is one of the very best words to describe a word that no doubt has many meanings, one of which is a racial term.

He didn't jump out of his skin crying "racist" as so many would and, the fact remains, the word is sensitive to many.

Good on Herman Cain for saying so little and refusing to take the bait put out by Amanpour.
That word ain't THAT offensive to anybody. They just use it.

Example: A negro calls anybody, that ain't black, a honky, peckerwood, spic, coonass, yankee, sister-screwing pedophile and they respond "At least I'm not a [bleep]*r.", which one feels that they have a right to be angry?
That ain't the way I read the transcript of the show.
Posted By: GeoW Re: Perry's Hunting Camp Name - 10/03/11
I should have reserved my comment until I did hear what was actually said..
I'll listen more and speak less wink
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