..the caucus night. I'm staying home with ice to my sore knee while my wife will represent "us" at the caucus. I just asked her who'd she'd vote for right now without any further fulderoo: "Rick santorum", was the reply. "Ok", says I.
..The beginning of the end for the golfer-in-chief, liar-in-chief, equivocator-in-chief, apologizer-in-chief, community organizer-in-chief; well, you get the point--take your pick.
Look, Iowa is the first step and no more than the first step. It is what it is but those who value American history, tradition, precedent, and values (yes, values) should be glad the winnowing has begun.
Just by the voters who have shown for the caucuses thus far,they have predicted it will be a 1-2-3 finish between Romney,Santorum and Paul,but not necessarily in that order.
Santorum appears to be the surprise candidate for tonight.
Lets say Santorum has a good showing, what do we know about him? Need some input from our good friends in Eastern Pa. Are ya out there?
What in the hell happened to all of the excitement over Newt in the past 2 weeks? The man crashed and burned faster than any of the other want-a-bees. He has almost not organization in NH and will get the crap kicked out of him so does this mean that Newt is waiting until Super Tuesday or will it all be over in 2 weeks for the Newt?
Lets say Santorum has a good showing, what do we know about him? Need some input from our good friends in Eastern Pa. Are ya out there? ......
He's an idiot.
And pretty whacky.
�I�m a pretty tolerant guy, but beyond his ideology, some of Santorum�s behavior is just a little bizarre. For example, Santorum has six children. In 1996, he had son born prematurely who lived for only two hours. He and wife brought the child home and introduced the dead infant to the rest of their children as �your brother Gabriel� and slept with the body overnight.�
Indeed, the Washington Post reported this in 2005.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
RS Is a good man though, no doubt, you'll find things and votes (by) about him you dont like. I did not think RP would finish this high. Strangely, he did well around Des Moines, the urban center, usually more liberal.
Lets say Santorum has a good showing, what do we know about him? Need some input from our good friends in Eastern Pa. Are ya out there? ......
He's an idiot.
And pretty whacky.
�I�m a pretty tolerant guy, but beyond his ideology, some of Santorum�s behavior is just a little bizarre. For example, Santorum has six children. In 1996, he had son born prematurely who lived for only two hours. He and wife brought the child home and introduced the dead infant to the rest of their children as �your brother Gabriel� and slept with the body overnight.�
Indeed, the Washington Post reported this in 2005.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
And that is more weird than what Romney believes in? You want Romney over Santorum? Religion Conservatism scares you more than NE liberalism? Just askin...was thinkin you are an RPeer because of free drugs...rather than fiscal conservative...
Lets say Santoru[size:11pt][/size]m has a good showing, what do we know about him? Need some input from our good friends in Eastern Pa. Are ya out there? ......
He's an idiot.
And pretty whacky.
�I�m a pretty tolerant guy, but beyond his ideology, some of Santorum�s behavior is just a little bizarre. For example, Santorum has six children. In 1996, he had son born prematurely who lived for only two hours. He and wife brought the child home and introduced the dead infant to the rest of their children as �your brother Gabriel� and slept with the body overnight.�
Indeed, the Washington Post reported this in 2005.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
Don't know anything about Santorum. Tried to read up on his website but all he really talks about is family and anti-abortion. I'm all for his positions on that, but there are a lot more issues out there. He could elaborate a bit...
RS Is a good man though, no doubt, you'll find things and votes (by) about him you dont like. I did not think RP would finish this high. Strangely, he did well around Des Moines, the urban center, usually more liberal.
Santorum ran his yap at Ron Paul and effectively alienated all of his supporters.
Hence,..none will vote for his should he get the nomination,...and of course, forget about any idea of a crossover vote for a warmonger like Santorum.
He's not electable. There's two large voting blocks who won't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
Romney was at least astute enough to be respectful to Ron Paul in order to not alienate his people.
RS Is a good man though, no doubt, you'll find things and votes (by) about him you dont like. I did not think RP would finish this high. Strangely, he did well around Des Moines, the urban center, usually more liberal.
Santorum ran his yap at Ron Paul and effectively alienated all of his supporters.
Hence,..none will vote for his should he get the nomination,...and of course, forget about any idea of a crossover vote for a warmonger like Santorum.
He's not electable. There's two large voting blocks who won't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
Romney was at least astute enough to be respectful to Ron Paul in order to not alienate his people.
Santorum is the flavor of the day. He'll drop like a stone when people figure out he's a total whacknutty fruitcake.
On spending, Santorum has a mixed record and showed clear signs of varying his votes based on the election calendar. In the 1990s, when he was only a freshman Senator, he was a leading author on the bill that completely overhauled the country�s welfare system. He also voted for the Freedom to Farm Act in 1996 that started the process of ending direct farm subsidies. When Congress decided that it couldn�t live up to that promise, it voted to re-establish the subsidies in 2002 with the Farm Security Act, a bill that Santorum rightly opposed. He also voted for a balanced budget amendment and a line-item veto in 1995.
More recently, when he was out of Congress, Santorum opposed TARP , the stimulus , the auto bailout, and the Fannie-Freddie bailout.
However, there is a troubling part of Santorum�s record on spending, which is found in the years sandwiched between these periods of fiscal restraint. His record is plagued by the big-spending habits that Republicans adopted during the Bush years of 2001-2006. Some of those high profile votes include his support for No Child Left Behind in 2001, which greatly expanded the federal government�s role in education. He supported the massive new Medicare drug entitlement in 2003 that now costs taxpayers over $60 billion a year and has almost $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities. He voted for the 2005 highway bill that included thousands of wasteful earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere. In fact, in a separate vote, Santorum had the audacity to vote to continue funding the Bridge to Nowhere rather than send the money to rebuild New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
Indeed, Santorum was a prolific supporter of earmarks, having requested billions of dollars for pork projects in Pennsylvania while he was in Congress. Perhaps recognizing the sign of the times, Santorum finally reversed his position in 2010, saying that he was opposed to them , but one must remain skeptical about his sincerity. As recently as 2009, he said, �I�m not saying necessarily earmarks are bad. I have had a lot of earmarks. In fact, I�m very proud of all the earmarks I�ve put in bills. I�ll defend earmarks.�
And while Santorum voted against the Farm Bill in 2002, he sponsored a bill to extend milk subsidies in 2005, which he claimed he did to �save countless Pennsylvania dairy farmers.�
An examination of his scores in the NTU rating of Congress shows that Santorum compiled a very strong record on taxes and spending in the first four years of each of his two Senate terms, then a sharp swing to below the Senate Republican average in the Congress before his reelection campaign. In the 2003-2004 session of Congress, Santorum sponsored or cosponsored 51 bills to increase spending, and failed to sponsor or co-sponsor even one spending cut proposal. In his last Congress (2005-2006), he had one of the biggest spending agendas of any Republican -- sponsoring more spending increases than Republicans Lisa Murkowski, Lincoln Chafee and Thad Cochran or Democrats Herb Kohl, Evan Bayh and Ron Wyden.
Santorum also supported raising congressional pay at least three times, in 2001, 2002, and 2003.
RS Is a good man though, no doubt, you'll find things and votes (by) about him you dont like. I did not think RP would finish this high. Strangely, he did well around Des Moines, the urban center, usually more liberal.
Santorum ran his yap at Ron Paul and effectively alienated all of his supporters.
Hence,..none will vote for his should he get the nomination,...and of course, forget about any idea of a crossover vote for a warmonger like Santorum.
He's not electable. There's two large voting blocks who won't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
Romney was at least astute enough to be respectful to Ron Paul in order to not alienate his people.
You would do alot better for RP promotism staying off the whole "warmonger" idea. More on the Fiscal conservative....you barely have me hanging on...you and TRH shoudn't try to ruin it with your nuttieism
I just came back from our precinct caucus. The winners were Ron Paul, Rick Santorum and Mit Romney was 3rd. I supported Rick Perry. He did not do well in our precinct. Ron Paul has his cuacus HQ here in Ankeny so I assumed he would do well and he did. kwg
And if you like free trade agreements, Santorum's your man.
�Voted YES on the Oman Free Trade Agreement (FTA) �Voted YES on CAFTA �Voted YES on the Morocco FTA �Voted YES on the Australia FTA �Voted YES on the Chile FTA �Voted YES on the Singapore FTA �Voted YES to Trade Promotion Authority �Voted YES to extend normal trade relations with China
And if you like free trade agreements, Santorum's your man.
�Voted YES on the Oman Free Trade Agreement (FTA) �Voted YES on CAFTA �Voted YES on the Morocco FTA �Voted YES on the Australia FTA �Voted YES on the Chile FTA �Voted YES on the Singapore FTA �Voted YES to Trade Promotion Authority �Voted YES to extend normal trade relations with China
RS Is a good man though, no doubt, you'll find things and votes (by) about him you dont like. I did not think RP would finish this high. Strangely, he did well around Des Moines, the urban center, usually more liberal.
Santorum ran his yap at Ron Paul and effectively alienated all of his supporters.
Hence,..none will vote for his should he get the nomination,...and of course, forget about any idea of a crossover vote for a warmonger like Santorum.
He's not electable. There's two large voting blocks who won't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
Romney was at least astute enough to be respectful to Ron Paul in order to not alienate his people.
You would do alot better for RP promotism staying off the whole "warmonger" idea. More on the Fiscal conservative....you barely have me hanging on...you and TRH shoudn't try to ruin it with your nuttieism
The people want the wars to end.
Santorum will get the "bomb Iran" vote,...that's all.
"Bomb Iran!" and "The homo's is runnin' wild!", is pretty much the beginning and end of his platform.
He's getting the default votes for everyone who crashed and burned on their way to the Iowa caucus',..but he'll fade like a pair of Chinese blue jeans once the spotlight is put on him.
Rick Santorum's endorsement of Arlen Specter, a strong supporter of abortion who gave President Barack Obama the key Senate vote to pass Obamacare, is becoming a key issue as the Iowa caucuses near.
Lets say Santorum has a good showing, what do we know about him? Need some input from our good friends in Eastern Pa. Are ya out there? ......
He's an idiot.
And pretty whacky.
�I�m a pretty tolerant guy, but beyond his ideology, some of Santorum�s behavior is just a little bizarre. For example, Santorum has six children. In 1996, he had son born prematurely who lived for only two hours. He and wife brought the child home and introduced the dead infant to the rest of their children as �your brother Gabriel� and slept with the body overnight.�
Indeed, the Washington Post reported this in 2005.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
You mean it ain't as whacky as whisking the lifeless carcass away, getting it fixed up and pretty so it don't look dead, and keeping things as sterile and 'hands-off' as possible. Your ancestors, not all that distant I suspect, might be a bit disappointed in your attitude.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
Not something I wpuld do, but it shows that the man has a heart and that he knows he has a soul.
Thanks for that. I know that Watch4bear and Tbaker don't care to know about a rising candidate but I like to be somewhat informed. You other guys may vote for any rat that is out their if they have a "R" next to the name but I vote based upon information regardless or the initial next to the name.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
Not something I wpuld do, but it shows that the man has a heart and that he knows he has a soul.
Nothing like a Paulie trying to exploit a guys kid dying.
Rick Santorum's endorsement of Arlen Specter, a strong supporter of abortion who gave President Barack Obama the key Senate vote to pass Obamacare, is becoming a key issue as the Iowa caucuses near.
Thats what turned my sour to him. He endorsed a liberal incumbent over a conservative challenger in the primary. Keeping the status quo is more important than ideology.
If you were to be starting up a zoo, Ron Paul would be a good first pick for your rodent display. He fits right in with all the other squirrels quite well.
Pretty much the only thing that is going to happen is eliminate a few off the bottom like Backhman and possibly Perry. Winning Iowa isn't going to translate into much further down the road. Romney will win New Hampshire by a landslide and South Carolina will actually be more of an indicator of who has legs.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
Not something I wpuld do, but it shows that the man has a heart and that he knows he has a soul.
Nothing like a Paulie trying to exploit a guys kid dying.
sheesh
Call it what you want but a person running for the highest office in our country needs to be vetted and knowing if they're just a little whacky or full throttle nuts is something that's going to be important to a lot of voters.
Call it what you want but a person running for the highest office in our country needs to be vetted and knowing if they're just a little whacky or full throttle nuts is something that's going to be important to a lot of voters.
Upon their son�s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen�s parents� home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
Not something I wpuld do, but it shows that the man has a heart and that he knows he has a soul.
Nothing like a Paulie trying to exploit a guys kid dying.
sheesh
Actually, if it was Santorum who let that out for public consumption...
And if you like free trade agreements, Santorum's your man.
�Voted YES on the Oman Free Trade Agreement (FTA) �Voted YES on CAFTA �Voted YES on the Morocco FTA �Voted YES on the Australia FTA �Voted YES on the Chile FTA �Voted YES on the Singapore FTA �Voted YES to Trade Promotion Authority �Voted YES to extend normal trade relations with China
And if you like free trade agreements, Santorum's your man.
�Voted YES on the Oman Free Trade Agreement (FTA) �Voted YES on CAFTA �Voted YES on the Morocco FTA �Voted YES on the Australia FTA �Voted YES on the Chile FTA �Voted YES on the Singapore FTA �Voted YES to Trade Promotion Authority �Voted YES to extend normal trade relations with China
It's looking good right now actually. Romney will never get close to 30% of the Republican vote and if we can get the sure losers...Santorum and Paul out of the picture there is still a chance to get a winner in the ring.
You are defending unions...pick a battle...man up...siding with Blackie...wins you no battles.
I'm defending everyone's right to make as much as possible.
You on the other hand pick and choose who should be free to make as much as they can.
You have a BS argument and you're still defending it.
Do you believe .gov should be backing "Workers to UNITE" or job creators to make their own decisions? If you have a job where workers on their own UNITE to force employers to meet their request(without .gov inteference)...ok. But don't pretend to support RP and the Unions demand of .gov protecting them....Romney(flip flopper) supporter.
I have no problem with what he did. More like a home funeral, which is legal in Pennsylvania. All of my grandparents and several of my uncles were laid out in the home, that was Virginia in the 70's.
So Santorum wanted his kids to connect with the child they saw growing in mommy's belly. To morn the loss in a healthy manner. To know that this was a human being. No problem with that.
I don't like Perry much, I've dealt with him several times. I know what he is though, unlike those who think they do. How well do you now Ron Paul? Or is it just stuff you've heard?
I don't like Perry much, I've dealt with him several times. I know what he is though, unlike those who think they do. How well do you now Ron Paul? Or is it just stuff you've heard?
Just stuff I've heard,....consistently,...for decades.
Do you believe .gov should be backing "Workers to UNITE" or job creators to make their own decisions? If you have a job where workers on their own UNITE to force employers to meet their request(without .gov inteference)...ok. But don't pretend to support RP and the Unions demand of .gov protecting them....Romney(flip flopper) supporter.
You're pulling schitt out of your azz.
It's like explaining to a 13 year old cheerleader.
Tell me what you didn't understand about this post.
Originally Posted by rrroae
That's up to you.
I believe workers have a right to assemble(private sector) and make as much as they can with the caveat that they do it without government interference. I also support the idea a person in this country can make as much money as someone else is willing to pay them. Wether that's $10 an hour or $1 Billion a year, I don't care.
Do you believe .gov should be backing "Workers to UNITE" or job creators to make their own decisions? If you have a job where workers on their own UNITE to force employers to meet their request(without .gov inteference)...ok. But don't pretend to support RP and the Unions demand of .gov protecting them....Romney(flip flopper) supporter.
You're pulling schitt out of your azz.
It's like explaining to a 13 year old cheerleader.
Tell me what you didn't understand about this post.
Originally Posted by rrroae
That's up to you.
I believe workers have a right to assemble(private sector) and make as much as they can with the caveat that they do it without government interference. I also support the idea a person in this country can make as much money as someone else is willing to pay them. Wether that's $10 an hour or $1 Billion a year, I don't care.
Free Markets should decide.
Guess I didn't see that...but with that opinion...don't pretend to be a union supporter.
hard to believe out of millions and millions of americans in this country, this is our crop of candiates for POS.
we're [bleep]
Wish more...esp on this forum...would see it. If here... we don't see it...the country is damned.
But it's not true, though it is conservatives nature to think that way. Always there own worst enemy. That's where the liberals best us every time..put a tie on a fence post and tell 'em it's a Democrat and they will support it 100%.
Santorum won our county handily. At my caucus nobody even got up to talk about Romney, kinda strange. I just hope that the RP robo calls finally stop. I received 16 negative calls from them in the last 2 days.
hard to believe out of millions and millions of americans in this country, this is our crop of candiates for POS.
we're [bleep]
Wish more...esp on this forum...would see it. If here... we don't see it...the country is damned.
But it's not true, though it is conservatives nature to think that way. Always there own worst enemy. That's where the liberals best us every time..put a tie on a fence post and tell 'em it's a Democrat and they will support it 100%.
They get more liberal...we get less conservative...we win an election here and there and we think we win. You are smarter than that. ....chit...I hope...the country hopes.
Don't think he's very popular with many of my fellow board Pennsylvanians and for good reason.
The POS stood up at a meeting my old boss was at and said that as tool and die makers, we made too much money. ... I owned my own tool and die shop for 10 years. Only thing I ever got from the goverment was a tax bill. And thats fine by me.
But I never expected a senator that I voted for, to side with every jurk water country over me.The guy can blow me.
He's pompous and arrogant. Other than that, he's okay.
Yet remaining totally unelectable in the general with the fatigue of the last TX gov still hanging over the national electorate...
Only two are unelectable, Santorum and Paul.
I'm not one of the playuhs here when it comes to predictions, but I can tell you right now that Romney is completely unelectable due to his religion. Nothing will be said until the GOP is committed and then there will be nothing but that in the news. As Baker said, he will be made out to be worse than a radical Muslim.
He's pompous and arrogant. Other than that, he's okay.
Yet remaining totally unelectable in the general with the fatigue of the last TX gov still hanging over the national electorate...
Finally............ an honest man.ALL the other Perry detractors on this forum deny that him being a Texan has anything to do with their dislike of him.
He's pompous and arrogant. Other than that, he's okay.
Yet remaining totally unelectable in the general with the fatigue of the last TX gov still hanging over the national
Only two are unelectable, Santorum and Paul.
I'm not one of the playuhs here when it comes to predictions, but I can tell you right now that Romney is completely unelectable due to his religion. Nothing will be said until the GOP is committed and then there will be nothing but that in the news. As Baker said, he will be made out to be worse than a radical Muslim.
I think it will be used against him. My sister who is a JD and lives in Utah claims a Mormon is more dangerous than all others when considering world view. I'm not sure I'd go that far but..
Don't think he's very popular with many of my fellow board Pennsylvanians and for good reason.
The POS stood up at a meeting my old boss was at and said that as tool and die makers, we made too much money. ... ..........
Apparently he didn't think he made enough money as he voted himself a pay raise 3 years in a row from 2001 - 2003.
It's just one of money reasons he lost his seat in Pa.
Thats our boy. Voting for pay raises for himself. Latching on to every free trade bill.Didnt matter what was in it.Or who got screwed. If a woman needed an abortion to save her life.Well you can forget that.Just let her die. Sucking chi-com itcho. Rick the dick. Thats our boy.
This guy is the biggest POS that Pa has ever produced. Makes my stomach turn thinking people actually take him serious.
If it was going to be used against him,don't you think that concern would have corroborated been by the Iowa voters?
That's a good question but if I'm any indication, then no. Most folks are ignorant of the particulars of the Mormon "faith". Very briefly, the concern is one being dictated to by "the Church" on a more covert and devious level than you would normally think any group would relate to an individual in that group. I hope that's a fair statement.
![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/engrtobe/RonPaul.jpg)
![[Linked Image]](http://bearingdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/gingrich-romney-laughing.jpg)
![[Linked Image]](http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/BachmannLaughing1.jpg)
![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/TLEEF/SMILIES/Laugh.gif)
