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Posted By: Steve Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Escalation... Who will blink first. I think it will be Europe.

Iran Set to Turn Off Oil Supply to Europe

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It's a move which has tit-for-tat written all over it, but one which could nonetheless have a serious impact: The Iranian government wants to present a bill to parliament this weekend calling for an immediate halt to oil deliveries to Europe. The move, with most reports citing the Iranian news agency Mehr, has come about in response to the EU agreement to impose sanctions against Iran, which were announced earlier this week.

The sanctions banned any new contracts for buying oil from Iran, but allowed existing deals to continue until July in order to give countries time to find other sources. But that process is now at risk after the latest move from Tehran, a step the Iranian government had already threatened.

"If this bill is passed, the government will be forced to stop selling oil to Europe before the actual implementation of their sanctions," said Emad Hosseini, spokesman for the Iranian parliament's energy commission, reportedly said. The bill is set to become law on Sunday.

The EU sanctions allow for oil deliveries from Iran until July 1. Any pre-empting of this timescale by Tehran could prove problematic for countries like Italy, Greece and Spain, who would need to urgently find new suppliers.

China, meanwhile, a major importer of Iranian oil, has also criticized the EU sanctions. The Xinhua news agency quoted the Chinese Foreign Ministry on Thursday as saying: "To blindly pressure and impose sanctions on Iran are not constructive approaches."

Economic Consequences

Many members of the EU are now heavily dependent on Iranian oil. Some 500,000 barrels arrive in Europe every day from Iran, with southern European countries consuming most of it. Greece is the most exposed, receiving a third of all its oil imports from Iran, but Italy too depends on Iran for 13 percent of its oil needs. If this source were to dry up abruptly, the economic conditions in the two struggling countries could become even worse.

Already on Wednesday, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned of the economic consequences of the EU's planned embargo. Stopping deliveries from the world's fifth largest producer could drive up the price of oil by 20 to 30 percent.

And the prices of different types of oil did rise on Thursday, albeit only slightly. In the morning, the cost of a barrel of North Sea Brent Crude was $110.73, 92 cents more than on Wednesday. The price of a barrel of WTI from the US was up 81 cents at $100.21.


Posted By: Raeford Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
....and we don't need to be drilling here. crazy
Posted By: GeauxLSU Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
They can't make soup out of it. In the long run, it's nothing but cymbal banging.
Posted By: JCMCUBIC Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
...and the prices rise when nothing has really even happened yet.

I don't follow this crap but.....doesn't Iran need the $ from Europe (and anyone else)? If they don't export, then they lose the inflow of $. ...so they send the oil somewhere else...the somewhere else they send it to will not need the supplier that is currently supply them with oil...so the countries in Europe then get their oil from that supplier.

...and TO HECK WITH WHAT CHINA THINKS!

Posted By: Seafire Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
I still follow the philosophy Robin Williams used in a skit..but its good philosophy...

over them $10 a barrel... if they don't want to sell it for that... go find someone else or drown in it..
Posted By: HugAJackass Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
...and the prices rise when nothing has really even happened yet.

I don't follow this crap but.....doesn't Iran need the $ from Europe (and anyone else)? If they don't export, then they lose the inflow of $. ...so they send the oil somewhere else...the somewhere else they send it to will not need the supplier that is currently supply them with oil...so the countries in Europe then get their oil from that supplier.

...and TO HECK WITH WHAT CHINA THINKS!

I used to play this game as a kid, only we called it "chicken".
Posted By: Mannlicher Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
isn't it great to know that hussein has OUR back in this game? He does, right?
Posted By: FlyboyFlem Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Well we'll just see if the Saudi's increase production to make up for it as they claimed they would.Big ifs about walking the talk in this case!
Posted By: noharleyyet Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
isn't it great to know that hussein has OUR back in this game? He does, right?


Yes, he literally and figuratively has our back in his ideological crosshairs.
Posted By: Steve Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem
Well we'll just see if the Saudi's increase production to make up for it as they claimed they would.Big ifs about walking the talk in this case!


A multi-axis balancing act for the Saudis for sure.

  • Getting a higher oil price - good
  • High oil prices killing the world economy - bad
  • War in the gulf - bad
  • Selling to war makers -good
  • Subjugated by the Persians - bad




Posted By: temmi Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Originally Posted by GeauxLSU
They can't make soup out of it. In the long run, it's nothing but cymbal banging.


China will buy it.

India already bought a bunch this week with gold instead of euros or dollars.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Cain't nobody buy stuff with gold.

Hail far,..

Gold ain't money.

Ben Bernanke said so.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Cain't nobody buy stuff with gold.

Hail far,..

Gold ain't money.

Ben Bernanke said so.


Of course, if anyone is paying attention, they know that Iran just signed its death warrant with that gold transaction. We really could not care any less about nukes, but when they go off the dollar standard, their days are numbered.
Posted By: Soulfly Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
I think Europe has more to fear from the Russians cutting them off than Iran.
Posted By: GeauxLSU Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Originally Posted by temmi
Originally Posted by GeauxLSU
They can't make soup out of it. In the long run, it's nothing but cymbal banging.


China will buy it.

And what will happen to the oil China WAS going to buy?
Threats by ONE country (without at LEAST OPEC collusion) to affect the oil supply as a 'punishment' to another country or countries is nothing but theatre even in the short term. An oil exporter must be a material percentage of the world's supply and NOT have it as a material percentage of their own country's economy to pull that off. That country doesn't exist.
I am paying almost $3.60 a gallon still, can't wait for it to climb even higher for no reason. Sanctions against Iran, are sanctions against consumers at the pump.
Posted By: Semper_Fi57 Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Am I mistaken, or is Iran the ONLY oil producing nation in the mideast? The country of Iraq comes to mind. I'm just sayin'.

Jim
Posted By: kciH Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Originally Posted by noharleyyet
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
isn't it great to know that hussein has OUR back in this game? He does, right?


Yes, he literally and figuratively has our back in his ideological crosshairs.


I think it's more like he's got a hand on each shoulder.
Posted By: ken458 Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
I like this idea:

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan12/put-Iran-out-of-biz01-12.html

Want to Put Iran Out of Business? Here's How (January 5, 2012)

If you want bloodless regime change in Iran, then do one thing: drop the price of oil to $25/barrel. Yes, it's entirely possible.
Those attempting to pressure Iran by increasing "tensions" and thus the price of oil have it precisely backwards. The one sure way to fatally destabilize the Iranian theocracy is to adjust the demand and supply of oil so the price plummets (as it did in December 2008) to $25/barrel, and stays there for at least six months.

It has been estimated that the Iranian theocracy cannot fund its bloated bureaucracies, military and its welfare state if oil falls below around $40-$45/barrel. Drop oil to $25/barrel and keep it there, and the Iranian regime will implode, along with the Chavez regime in Venezuela.

Saber-rattling actually aids the Iranian regime by artificially injecting a "disruptive war" premium into the price of oil: they can make the same profits from fewer barrels of oil.

The way to put them out of business is drop the price of oil and restrict their sales by whatever means are available. They will be selling fewer barrels and getting less than production costs for those barrels. With no income, the regime will face the wrath of a people who have become dependent on the State for their sustenance and subsidized fuel.

How do you drop oil to $25/barrel? Easy: stop saber-rattling in the mideast and engineer a massive global recession with a side order of low-level trade war. Though you wouldn't know it from the high price of oil, the world is awash in oil; storage facilities are full, and production has actually increased a bit in North America.

Long-term, Peak Oil is a reality; but in the short-term, production is more than adequate to meet recession-suppressed demand.

The way to drop oil from $100/barrel to $25/barrel is to crush demand via global depression. Let's face it, the global economy is already slipping into depression as credit bubbles pop and austerity and rising debt service expenses bleed off disposable income.

We can nudge the global demand for oil off a cliff with a few other policies, for example, a low-grade trade war with China and Japan. Political leaders everywhere are already itching for a scapegoat, and imports are ready-made and waiting. Slap some heavy tariffs on Chinese and Japanese goods for "dumping" or some other excuse and then the inevitable counter-tariffs will be imposed on U.S. imports. Since U.S. exports to Asia are but a thin slice of imports from those nations, even a low-key trade war will have outsized negative consequences on Asian exporters.

Exports make up a relatively small percentage of Japan's GDP (ditto for the U.S.), but they contribute most of the marginal growth and profits in the Japanese economy. China is hugely dependent on exports and fixed investment in factories and real estate. There is no way the Central Government can spend its way out of the hole created in the Chinese economy as the real estate bubble pops, exports plummet and foreign direct investment dries up.

Europe is already caught in a vice of austerity and rising debt service expenses, so a depression there is already in the pipeline.

In the U.S., a $1 per gallon tax on all liquid fuels would cause short-term pain but would put significant downward pressure on oil consumption. Even without this tax, U.S. consumption will crater as the global economy contracts and Federal spending finally stops rising.

The most important fact about the global pricing of oil is that price is set on the margin. That means that if global demand falls by 10% from 80 million barrels a day (BPD) to 72 million BPD, price will not drop by 10%--it will fall far more.

It is instructive to recall that the mere threat of global depression in late 2008 sent the price of oil under $30/barrel in very short order.

Supply needs to overwhelm demand for at least six months to put the Iranian theocracy out of business. For that, the U.S. needs its exporting allies such as Canada, Mexico and Saudi Arabia to continue pumping even as prices collapse.

As I have often noted in my "head-fake" series on oil pricing, rapidly plummeting prices set up a positive feedback loop which further suppresses price: as regimes like Iran find their income from oil exports falling below their minimum survival level, the only way they can raise cash is by pumping more. This extra oil hitting a market awash in oil will only further suppress price.

Alternatively, they can withdraw their oil from the market in the hope that this reduction in supply will cause prices to rise. Unfortunately for Iran and Venezuela, their production isn't large enough to overcome a 10% reduction in global demand. Six months into their forced-austerity program created by their net income from oil exports falling to zero, they will find the streets filled with hungry, angry citizens.

That will be the end of those regimes.

So the first part of the solution to Iranian hegemony is to actively pursue high-visibility diplomacy in the mideast, repeatedly declare "war is not the answer," etc., and announce some major diplomatic initiatives, even if they are totally for show. That will drop the price of oil $20/barrel in short order.

Then quietly gain the support of the major exporters to continue pumping even as oil prices collapse. The Saudis and other major exporters can survive six months of low income from oil; the Iranians and the Chavez regime cannot.

Lastly, impose austerity, write down debt, squeeze lending, initiate some low-key trade wars and cut Central State spending, all of which will trigger a severe contraction in the global economy and in demand for oil.

Then once the Iranian nuclear threat has been throttled by a collapse in that regime's income stream and by a populist regime change, pro-growth policies can be restarted--and perhaps this time, if debt has been written off en masse and the predatory financial sector is finally allowed to implode in insolvency, they will actually be effective.



Posted By: 5sdad Re: Iran to cut off Europe - 01/26/12
Geez, with the glut that will create, good old supply and demand should set in and we should see some real relief at the pumps. smirk
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