Ron Paul has some good points....just not enough of them.

and to many bad ones..

Yes he does. To bad his core kookery gets in the way

Like I would believe anything coming from the madcow show! The best thing RP can do is RIP!

Didn't watch the clip but if this came from PMSNBC it is not worth my time. Next subject.

taking over? There are only a handful of rabid PaulBots. They could not take over a frigging hot dog stand.

Fox News won't cover anything from a positive angle regarding Ron Paul.

Ron Paul FoxNews conspiracy

The desperation of silly,mindless goofballs has to at least make for a nice,fun break from the serious matters this country is involved in.

Wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/16/ron-paul-wins-21-25-delegates-elected-in-iowa/

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/05/why-gop-cant-afford-to-ignore-ron-paul-and-his-many-fans/

There's more but I've wasted enough time already.

I was referring to their TV coverage, not their website.

Good on the Ron Paul supporters for their efforts.

Yeah, you'd think some of our "conservatives" here at the Fire would welcome a shakedown of the party system at the local level, tossing out the RINOs. Puzzling.

What is the difference?

Yeah, what's the difference?

You say Fox won't cover Paul from a positive viewpoint, and then you say Fox's website will but the broadcast arm won't.

What gives?

Have you not noticed that all of the Paulites on here are Drama Queens. miles

I don't know whats the point of this. Does anyone think they will win any states if somehow RP wins the nomination?

That would be the doing of the Tea Party, not Ron Paul.

So vote fer Rush Limbaugh.

A fat retarded windbag is who you deserve for a President.

The Idiocracy has arrived.

I don't think he, or Ron Paul, will be on the November ballot. miles

It's kinda like here. If you have strong disagreements with the sorry state of the GOP & those who support it's current idiocy you're automatically labeled a RP supporter, anarchist or insane.

The current GOP will not die quietly, it will be loud, ugly & may give obama another chance, depending on how sharp their RINO horns get at the convention. Ron Paul will not win anything, but a fair portion of his mindset & idea of a smaller, less crushing government will continue to confound the RINOs.

The wailing of the McCain/Graham/Hatch types will be like sweet music, as it's been for the last couple of primaries when their pals have been getting gutted. Other than the current POTUS debacle, of course. Hope the current nominee reads, and heeds, the Tea leaves.

And you're carrying the banner!

What does Rush have to do with the Tea Party?

But Ron Paul isn't running any more!

He couldn't even 'take over' a primary.

The vid has nothing to do with that. I guess you didn't watch it.

only in your make believe world Bristoe

I bet they do if he ever comes up with anything positive to say. Cutting our military, legalizing pot and dumping Israel just are not positive agendas.

Sounds good to me. All three should happen.

Ron Paul got the movement started and educated alot of people. That will be his legacy. It doesn't matter if he didn't win schit, he's done his part.

Whether or not it takes hold in the future is the real question. I hope it does, but it really looks like we're headed towards a European type existence.

Ron Paul's foreign policy is what took him down.

Maybe in 2016, but not in 2012.

Yeah, the empire has really been wonderful for the United States, has't it?

Big money and voter apathy took him down.

The Ron Paul supporters are taking over the Republican Party?

Really??? Hmmm...

I guess all those folks who voted in the Republican primaries didn't the the memo. Um..yeahh...that would be the same Republican primaries that he couldn't win a single little itty bitty state in, not even a caucus state.

So I guess this means he's gonna be the Republican nominee then, right? We'll look forward to hearing all about that after the convention. By the way, did any of y'all tell Romney yet? I'm feelin' he didn't get the memo, either.

We'll all look forward to seeing Paul campaign against Obama this fall! Should be a helluva show! Hey! Maybe he'll take his son for Vice President! Then y'all will get 2 Pauls for the price of one!!! Sweet!!!

Yep. His foreign policy and national security policies were so far off the wall that even those who might have yearned for some of his fiscal policies had to walk away.

I can see a lot worse things than Ron Paul taking over the Republican party. Like the big business and bankers taking it back. If they ever really lost it. kwg

LOL and now as another famous Paul used to say "and thats the rest of the story".

I concur those are not positive agendas they are negative but albeit necessary agendas.

We flat out don't have the money not to cut the military, continue the war on drugs that includes cannabis nor give foreign aid to Israel or a host of other countries.


we're broke, busted, tapped out all thanks to politicians that we've voted for during the last 40 years.


you'll have to remove zeros so it won't read "error" but your home ten key will show you the truth, if you can handle the truth (sorry Jack Nicholson)


a balanced budget won't do diddly squat at this point and they've yet to submit a balanced budget that's been approved.


we have to raise revenue and cut spending, legalizing and taxing cannabis would bring a chit load of revenue to the gov't, look at the sin tax on tobacco and alcohol, the gov't needs the money and it's about the only way you'll get the bottom feeders to contribute by taxing their sins. Defense has to be cut, along with social programs, there'll be a lot of folks that suffer for such and many will turn to some form of escapism drug to alter their reality. Less dangers come from the abuse of cannabis than alcohol or perhaps even tobacco. And Israel bless their hearts aren't sitting on oil, just near it, so most of the rest of the players globally have sided with the Muslims, cause they control the oil, if they didn't I'd say China and Russia would care less about them, but they seem to be pretty pragmatic in their world views and alliances. China nor Russia wants us to go down.....yet, it would take their economies down as well. But they are making every conceivable effort it seems to diversify from the US$ even though for now it remains the world's reserve currency.


No the things Paul proposes aren't positives at all, they're a major bummer for us and many of our allies.

and the big question mark remains the value of derivatives and swaps held by the major banks of the world, especially the giant banks in the US and a few other global players.


true corporate America is sitting on capital, and I believe if Romney is elected they will start to invest some of that capital if they believe there will be a business environment that has a better than even odds to have a return on that capital. Providing Mitt is able to push his agendas through both houses.

Mitt is a smart guy, with business savy, he'll be good for big biz and hopefully small biz too, he won't be a champion of personal freedoms like some of us would desire, but he has a chance to start righting the ship and I believe he has the knowledge to do so. Our current occupant never having held a real job and only serving one term as a junior senator has become painfully obvious that despite his degrees, is in way over his head both domestically and internationally.


but first Romeny has to be elected, and I don't think it's a given he will be, but I hope he wins in a landslide.


even if he is elected it may be too little too late, but I hold out hope that with help he can avoid what seems to be inevitable, a huge deflationary environment to come, where there will have to be lots of negatives addressed on both a national level and in many households across America.


not much positive at all about Paul's message, it's so vastly different than the way we've lived for most of us during our entire life. But our debt per capita is a good deal larger than Greece's and we're a much bigger player in the world economy.

just analyzing the numbers it doesn't look good indeed, but hey it's why we play the game, you don't know the end result no matter what it says on paper till all 4 quarters are played.

Here's hoping Mitt gets elected and he ends up being a far greater President than any we've had in a long time.

he'll have to be if our way of life continues as we've known it without major upheaval.

+1, nailed it Randy!

HugAJackass,

You have repeatedly demonstrated lack of knowledge which facilitates your corrupted agenda. It is voters like you which guided our Founding Fathers away from creating a democracy. They knew that POOR WHITES -limiting suffrage had nothing to do with revisionists' sexism or racism- would vote themselves control over the treasury thereby destroying our country. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that America will be in peril once voters realize they can trade their votes for governmental largess, which is precisely the fear of our Founding Fathers.

You have no clue how close we are to total financial collapse. And your blind support for a neocon, who will not slow its occurrence, will contribute to the worst calamity this world has ever known save the crucifixion of Jesus.

Your specious arguments that are designed to support Oromney serve only to dupe other naive Oromney supporters. Here's a clue for you: never draw any conclusions from an historical event without analyzing the context of the era in which the event occurred. Therefore, to compare Oromney to Reagan is flatly stupid.

Get up to speed. Use critical thinking skills. Gather FACTS and make predictions. We owe over 130 trillion dollars. Social Security is insolvent now. Obamacare wasn't so much about socialized medicine but about addressing the close to 100 trillion dollar Medicare and prescription dug benefit liabilities for which we'll never be good. We're never going to be good for what we owe.

We are living in an unprecedented era in a never before seen confluence of negative economic factors, in the aggregate, are probably going to destroy our country. You see, if our economy collapses so will our government as we know it.

At the rate we're going and in the current economic climate in which we're living, it's not a question of if but when. And when it occurs, the patrimony of our Founding Fathers will disappear the next day. You will live under martial law. You will be fed, assuming food is available, by the government. There will be no natural rights, including the right to life. You will own nothing. And governmental agents will take your guns and there won't be a damned thing you will be able to do about it unless you want to die on your porch, in which case you will have died for nothing.

Government cannot exist unless it can exert control over its citizens. Laws are our government's primary method of control. While our Founding Fathers created a nation of laws, should our economy collapse we will become a nation of a very few men who will control the rest of us using ANY means available. Agents of the government have already illegally seized guns from citizens during Hurricane Katrina. Not only did citizens from other areas of the country stand idly by while our government blatantly violated other Americans' Second Amendment rights, morons were actually condoning such a flagrant violation of our Bill of Rights. Moreover, in Arcadia IA, governmental agents have staged an training exercise the objective of which was seizing guns from citizens. Worse, Bush 43 signed a reciprocity agreement with the Canadian government the gist of which allows the Canadian military to breach our borders in order quell an insurrection within our country. A foreign military invading our country is an act of war, except under Bush 43.

Your naive mind should have pondered the obvious question, "What was Bush thinking is likely to occur in our country to have compelled him to sign such a treaty?"

We HAVE lost our sovereignty. We must evict the UN. It has no authority to violate our sovereignty. Oromney will move us closer to a one-world-government. We have no business invoking our will within the businesses of other countries unless they poses imminent threats to the USA. I could give a rat's ass how a Middle Eastern country wants to govern itself. It ain't worth one American soldier's live. Nor is monied interest in oil in that region worth one American soldier's life. But the reasonable question has yet to be asked: if we can invoke our will in other countries' businesses, what logic would prevent their reciprocating?

Ron Paul is the father of the Tea Party. You have propensity for making stuff up and writing it here as though it's legitimate. Either you haven't a clue or you're an Oromney seminar poster.

Oromney KNOWS he cannot win without Paul's supporters. And I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney because we know he's a copy of the same species. And never forget this: Paul supporters are better educated and of more wealth than supporters of any other candidate. We know derisive adjectives such as "kooky" are propaganda terms designed to duped the naive. Paul supporters are better informed than other voters. We know where we've been, where we are, and where we're headed.

So you keep plugging for Oromney. Paul supporters will not contribute to the destruction of our country. And, yes, it is a sad FACT that the Kenyan has a better gun rights track record than your man, Oromney.

HugAJAckass, it is scary that that you're able to vote my freedoms away.


R

Ron Paul, father of the Tea Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2uGbnT5a9c

RDFinn,

Please give me just one example of what you have termed Ron Paul's kookery.


Thanks,

R

Mannlicher,

Here's a fact for you: Oromney knows that he has no chance of beating Obama without support from Ron Paul's supporters. I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney.


R

Really! That second statement offsets the first. What Ron Paul supporters are-they full of themselves. Just like the Democrats, they know what is best for everybody and if we don't let them run things, they want to just throw it all away. A bunch of spoiled brats that think of themselves and to hell with everybody else. I first heard this of Bill Clinton, but it fits Ron Paul too. If Ron Paul is the answer, it was one stupid question. miles

So much for country first. miles

HugAJackass is one of our most talented disinformation agents, Raisuli. He doesn't believe half of what he says. His job is to impersonate a patriotic and conservative American so as to short-circuit efforts on the part of authentically conservative and patriotic members of the Fire to provide real and relevant information. That's his job, and he does it very well.

milespatton,

The two statements are consistent. You see, Miles, Ron Paul supporters KNOW Obama and Oromney are one in the same.

R

He won't have to vote them away, you will give them away because your man did not get the nomination. miles

Ron Paul supporters are idiots just like Ron Paul. miles

miles,


"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government."
***Thomas Paine***

They're not idiots. They are naive and immature little spoiled children who throw a fit when they don't get exactly what they want. They have a tough time dealing with the mean old big world.

And here I thought the campfire liked the constitution...

And just how is helping re-elect Obama doing anything towards that goal. He did a bunch of damage in his first four years and will do untold more damage in another four when not worried about being re-elected. He is ignoring the Senate and House and making law just on Presidential order and everybody seems OK with that. When he is not making law he is ignoring the laws that suit his agenda, and you think ignoring that and giving him four more years will protect you country-idiots. miles

Anyone can make a statement. It's another thing entirely to cogently support it. Please give me one example of how Ron Paul supporters are idiots. Conversely, Oromney supporters are naive to believe he will be different -assuming he's elected- from the Kenyan now occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. In fact, he might turn out to be worse if his record is an accurate indicator of this future actions. In short, Oromney's rap sheet is worse than Obama's.

Unfortunately, it appears that the Campfire is virtually riddled with professional disinformation agents. And their dupes follow blindly along.

miles,

You have to think outside of the box. You have to disabuse yourself of the belief that Oromney will be better than that which we're now plagued.

The very existence of our country might well depend upon this election. If we blow it, it could be our last. If you really believe Oromney will bring deliverance, vote for him. As for me, I do not so believe. In fact, I do not trust Ormoney at all.

I have identified the best possible candidate, the only one with a firm understanding of foreign policy and its predictable consequences. Moreover, Paul knows more about economic affairs than any candidate since Reagan. He predicted the Fed's destruction of our country decades ago. A 1914 US dollar is worth less than a nickel today. He predicted the housing crisis, a calamity so severe that it's doubtful that we'll ever see the bottom of it. God only knows how many people have had their retirement savings wiped out by disappeared equity in their homes. The next crisis will be student loans in which over a trillion bucks of cyber money will disappear.

Please don't feign anger at Paul supporters. We know what's occurring and who's responsible. As much as I do not like Obama, he does have a point in that this economic crisis was put in place since the Clinton presidency and probably long before that...say 1914 when the Fed was illegally created.

I am not angered at Oromney supporters. Posters like The_Real_Hawkeye and me are merely trying to bring facts to light. And one undeniable fact is that it's assumption at best that Ormoney will be any better than Obama.

R

"I am not angered at Oromney supporters. Posters like The_Real_Hawkeye and me are merely trying to bring facts to light. And one undeniable fact is that it's assumption at best that Ormoney will be any better than Obama."

We are in big trouble here at the 'fire. Only two or three guys here have any smarts at all?? Don't desert us. please.

Jeez,......this year's KOTY is going to be a close run thing.

miles,

Will Paul supporters help to reelect Obama or will Romeny supporters help to reelect Obama?

Romeny is a neocon who's record and platform are antithetical to the beliefs of those of us who cherish what little freedoms we have left.

Why would you want to force Paul supporters to accept a candidate who might be worse than the Kenyan?

I am of the opinion that political journalists, 90+% of whom are liberal Democrats, propagandized Republicans into believing that only Romney could beat Obama in order to dupe them into nominating him all the while knowing that Obama will beat Romney.

Americans are the most propagandized voters in the world and most susceptible to falling prey to it.

Pray for a brokered convention lest Obama gets four more years...


R

Here is the most important fact of all. Ron Paul will not be on the ballot in November.



I agree that a dollar is not worth as much, but we each make more of them, so that is a wash. Even I could see the housing crisis coming as soon as the Government starting making banks give loans to people that was not qualified. Ron Paul supporters remind me of a plow mule with blinders on in that all they see is straight ahead, nothing on the side. I am not a big Romney fan but he is our only chance this year of getting rid of Obama and that is my main goal. You main goal seems to be getting him re-elected. miles

+1

And the Paulites want that. Ron Paul or Obama. Then they try to tell you how smart they are. miles

miles,

There's nothing about Obama that I like. And there's nothing about Romney that I like. I don't think that it would take a tremendous depth of knowledge to craft a cogent argument that Romney is worse than the Kenyan. After all, it was Romneycare that provided Obama with the template for Obamacare. I fear Romney's stance on gun control. And I never did accept killing babies like both candidates have.

We have killed many more times innocent life since "Roe" than Hitler could have dreamed. We're probably closing in on Stalin's record. And let's not forget that Stalin was a New York liberal darling and that he had FDR in his hip pocket. Every time I see anything on D-Day, I think of that bastard FDR who opened a Western Front because Stalin asked him. Stalin wanted dead Americans in order to take Nazi heat off him. I'd of told Stalin to eat [bleep] and die. I could have cared less if Hitler and Stalin killed each other. FRD's deal with a worse devil (Stalin) could be the darkest stain upon our nation's history.

If Romney is the nominee, I will not vote unless I write in Ron Paul's name. I am long done with voting for the less evil candidate.


R

I am still waiting for someone, anyone to show me any cogently reason, any motivation, for Romney to move back to the left when he has to deal with the new 2013 Congress.

His entire record is one of playing the cards he was dealt.
Since the 2010 conservative landslide election, Romney has done nothing to pick a fight with the Tea Party.
That is consistent with his record as a blue state governor and as a CEO with a record of results.

I repeat my earlier statement. It is fairly long because I backed it up with specifics.


�Other than your opinion, you have no facts to back your assertions.�

The record clearly shows that Romney has the ability to change with the tide.
Mitt was the Governor of a blue state and his record reflects that.
Those who know him and say that he works as a consensus builder both as a Governor and a CEO have his record and his results to back them up.

Obviously based on the facts, Romney is driven by the need for results and not by ideological boundaries.

Yes he was a lefty in MA, he was not a stupid man.

As the momentum builds for a second conservative landslide this fall, he has not suddenly caught a case of the stupids.

He is fully aware of what happen in the 2010 election and has moved further to the right than he as ever been before.

As he faces a 2013 Congress that will have also moved even more to the right, he will have no reason to pick a fight, nor buck the odds and try to govern as if he was back in MA.

Romney wants results that will build his legacy, and he wants a second term.

So when that �so called Tea Party Republicans have done $hit since they've been there�� except to send yearly Ryan budgets to the Senate where they died along side Orrin Hatch�s balanced budget amendment...that will all be back in 2013...

When the 2013 Ryan budget and Senator Orrin Hatch 18th balanced budget bill drops on President Romney�s desk�he will sign them in a heartbeat.

He will kill ObamaCare on Day One because�Romney is not a stupid man.

I hope it helps you sleep at night because it don't do crap for me. I have no use for anybody that will not help us get rid of Obama. miles

AMEN!!

I disagree with the premise the no Ron Paul supporters will support Romney.

Maybe not as many as Romney would hope for but there will be some, or at least 1 that I know of for certain.

I sent considerable sums for my budget to the Paul campaign in '08 and still believe he has the most pragmatic view of how we deal with our economy and how we deal with the rest of the world.


but speaking of pragmatic, it's true RP won't be on the ballot in November not enough folks are educated about our fiscal deficits and debt or understand that we approach a day of reckoning for our out of control spending and the mantra "we can't afford not to _______" fill in the blank with whatever the cause is, for liberals social programs, for many conservatives defense spending or legislating morality.


our country is indeed expiring, and just like if one of my kids had cancer I can wish for a dr. with a cure or I can take the best medical help available in hope that they can be saved, to me the choice seems clear.

Or perhaps a better analogy would be that my family is in grave physical danger and though I'd wish a Navy seal would show up to help me protect them, I'm not going to turn the mall cop that has a firearm and a radio away because he's all that's available.

Obama is a miserable failure

Romney may not cure what ails us either, but in my view he's the best alternative of what we'll be offered.

at the beginning of the nomination process he was my least preferred candidate to win the nomination, but he's going to win it despite my preference.


in my view odds are he won't have a fighting chance even if he wins the presidency


but the problem is not politicians, the problem is the populace, uneducated on financial matters, apathetic and roughly half that benefit from some form of gov't largesse.


it doesn't paint a pretty picture, Paul advocates radical surgery, and it's probably our best chance at survival of the American way as we've known it. Most folks are in denial about the cancer that exists within this once great country.

Paul won't be elected, either Romney or Obama will, I'm going to cast my vote for Romney even though he's not my preferred candidate. I have to make hard decisions fairly often and often the decision I make is not the one I'd make in a perfect world, but I make the best one I can concerning the scenario and options presented to me, including who will be POTUS.

I won't cast dispersion upon others on how they cast their vote whether write in or just staying away from the polls.

but it's the real world, and I truly believe we're going to have harder decisions to make down the road besides just this election.

Well said 2legit.

Agreed. Now I feel bad about calling Ron Paul supporters idiots. Sorry 2legit. miles

Battleground states need to play the Red/Blue game & hopefully enough sickened folks can choke back the vomit & do just that.

Solid Red or Solid Blue states, not so much. The only way to change unacceptable behavior is to not encourage it at the ballot box, for now..

Problem with the analogy is that Romney, rather than being a mall cop, is a disguised accomplice of the very person who threatens your family. Politics at that level (banker promoted candidates in both parties being nominated for the presidential election) is akin to the game of good cop/bad cop played on the American electorate. We're supposed to be afraid of the bad cop, and thus do what we can to cooperate with the good cop (like put him in office) so he keeps us safe from the bad cop. Then the good cop becomes the bad cop and it starts all over again. We never get to choose being let loose from the game.

more comedy gold from the fever swamps of Paulieism.

impervious to reality, these are

The paulbots have something in common with the libtards that tried to recall Walker , they are both too STUPID to know when they have lost.


Mike

As are many who right now think that they have "Won". Less of a loss is not quite a win, though it does prolong the game for a while.

"I will not vote unless I write in Ron Paul's name"

Good,.....you're a real hero (in your own mind).

a complete idiot to most here,......you and TRH against the world, what ?

now GFY, little girl.

GTC

Civility doesn't appear to be a hallmark of this thread.
I Like Ron Paul. Glad he made a run. Whenever I needed a good laugh I could turn to his latest pontifications and life was immediately funnier. I miss his goofy stuff these days. His followers just don't have the same humor factor as he. Weird, maybe, but nearly as funny.

Jim

It's about time somebody take over the Republican party! Paul may not be perfect, and nobody is, but for the past 20 years I threw-up in my mouth a little every time I looked at the choices on the ballots, and left the polling place in need of a stiff drink.

Paul compared to Reagan? We can only pray that this country would ever again elect a president like Ronald Reagan, may God bless his immortal soul.

POLITICO
The Nevada GOP is in the process of firmly establishing itself as a circus sideshow.
By CHARLES MAHTESIAN 6/24

I've always thought state Democratic and Republican parties come in four flavors: 1) Functional, with outstanding leadership 2) Functional, with ineffective leadership 3) Basket cases marked by a lack of cash and candidates and 4) Basket cases that function like circus sideshows.

The Nevada GOP is in the process of firmly establishing itself as a #4, and the Las Vegas Sun�s Jon Ralston offers some sharp insights into how the Romney camp and the Republican National Committee are working around the problem with a �Team Nevada� shadow party.

�The GOP is not a shadow of its former self,� he concludes, �the shadow is better than its former self.�

How well this arrangement works out is of serious consequence in November, given Nevada�s position as an important Mountain West swing state.

The shadow arrangement, however, isn�t a long-term solution to a problem that�s confronting not only the Nevada GOP but several other state parties (such as Alaska) as well: the conflict between Ron Paul supporters and the GOP establishment.

A shadow party is a viable patchwork solution in a year when there�s oodles of national cash flying around and a presidential nominee dedicated to winning a state. The real problem comes in the ramp up for 2014, when the nationals have packed up and left town and the hard business of recruiting candidates, organizing a state and raising cash from local donors has to get done