Okay, Folks, contact your State reps, and Governors, and give them some support in doing the same.

[bleep] "Administrative Policy", and the stinkin', diseased , spavined horse it rode in on !

GTC


Brewer issues executive order to thwart new Obama immigration plan

Link: http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012...er-to-thwart-new-obama-immigration-plan/



By The Associated Press

Published: August 15, 2012 at 4:06 pm
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Gov. jan Brewer. (Photo by Ryan Cook/RJ Cook Photography)

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed an executive order directing state agencies to deny driver�s licenses and other public benefits to young illegal immigrants who obtain work authorizations under a new Obama administration program.

Brewer�s order issued Wednesday says she�s reaffirming the intent of current Arizona law denying taxpayer-funded public benefits and state identification to illegal immigrants.

Young illegal immigrants could start applying Wednesday with the federal government for work permits under the Obama administration�s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.

The program defers deportations for young illegal immigrants if they meet certain criteria.

Brewer�s order says the program�s federal paperwork doesn�t confer lawful status on illegal immigrants and won�t entitle them to Arizona public benefits.

She directs state agencies to start emergency rulemaking processes as necessary to implement her order.

God Bless Governor Brewer!

You can bet Obama is just fuming. Governor Brewer is a Great American.

She's a thorn in obamas kenyan ass. Love that woman.

she has more balls than most men! You GO GIRL!

We could surely use a LOT more politicians like Governor Brewer.

I love that woman. She's not a hottie, but I love her anyway. Where are the other conservative governors? She's got balls of steel.

She shows how the American male, particularly the American male politician, has been voluntarily neutered.
God bless Gov. Brewer indeed!

Brewer represents the good people (citizens} of Arizona. Obama represents the people of mexico. Brewer adheres to laws. Obama issues decrees.

A triple AMEN to that..

Chitcan Romney - BREWER FOR PREZ!!!

Don't tease us...

Let's see to passing this to other governors! This lady has guts...

What a great woman and leader

Snake

God bless her!

Ya just gotta love that woman! Full of piss and vinegar, reminds me of my mother.


Go here and write her a thank you note. http://azgovernor.gov/contact.asp

I double posted on this issue.I didn't check far enough back to find your post.

Your state has the most courageous governor in this country.Hooraa!


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...-public-benefits-illegal-immigrants.html

Jan Brewer Rocks!

What I can't understand is why/how they think illegal is not illegal.

Cudos to her and Arizona for standing up once again to the dems.

What a great leader. AZ is very fortunate to have her

Gov Scott in Florida is doing well with his Conservative Ideas. We just pushed Homeland Security into a corner in court, and made them cough up the official illegal list, so we can purge our voter roles.

Damn I love that woman!!

Brewer for President

DONE!!!!

Glad to see a politician who isn't afraid to do the right thing! Go girl!

Jan, I love you.

No non-citizen, and in fact even citizens for that matter should be receiving benefits from government.

She deserves a Thank you note!!!!!

I sent her one on the website listed above.

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!

Brass balls. She has them!

FUBHO

The chit's hitting the usual (totally predictable) fans now.....

GTC

Link: http://www.wisconsingazette.com/bre...rder-on-federal-immigration-program.html

ACLU challenges Arizona�s executive order on federal immigration program


The American Civil Liberties Union is denouncing Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer�s executive order on Aug. 15 that bars undocumented immigrants who qualify for temporary legal status in the United States from receiving state or local public benefits.

Brewer issued the order in response to the Obama administration�s implementation of an immigration policy of deferred action on deportation for young and undocumented immigrants. To be eligible for the federal program, immigrants must prove they arrived in the United States before they turned 16, are 30 or younger, have been living in the country at least five years and are in school or graduated or served in the military. They cannot have been convicted of certain crimes or otherwise pose a safety threat.

Brewer�s order denies state or local benefits to immigrants applying under the new federal immigration rules. The order bars them from obtaining an Arizona driver's license or a state-issued identification card.

Alessandra Soler, the executive director of the ACLU of Arizona, said in a statement on Aug. 16 that �Brewer is distorting federal law and inaccurately interpreting state law.�

She said, �This order conflicts with state and federal law because people who are granted deferred action will, in fact, have authorized presence in the United States and under Arizona law people who have authorized presence are eligible to apply for Arizona state identification.�

The ACLU has sued the governor over the state�s anti-immigrant law.

Soler said Brewer, with her latest order, is �perpetuating the myth that deferred action applicants are somehow submitting fraudulent documents and that is completely false. Not only is she singling out young people who are eligible for deferred action, but she also is excluding other categories of non-citizens who are authorized to be in the country, including victims of domestic violence, from obtaining state-identification while their immigration applications are being processed.�

A spokesman for Brewer told the Arizona Republic, �As the (Department of Homeland Security) has said repeatedly ... these individuals do not have lawful status. They are able to remain in the country and not be deported, and not be prosecuted, but they do not have lawful status.�

Some disappointed young folks here, kinda' hard not to empathize with their situation.

GTC

Link: http://www.fronterasdesk.org/photos/2012/aug/16/18521/

Stories this photo appears in:
Tease photo
Young Immigrants Protest Arizona Governor's Order

For many young undocumented immigrants, Aug. 15 began optimistically as the day they could begin to apply for deportation relief under a new federal program. But in Arizona, the day ended in protest over news that those qualifying would be barred from getting state driver's licenses.

PHOENIX � Young undocumented immigrants in Arizona who began the day celebrating a new federal policy for deportation relief ended the day protesting.

Dozens marched to the state capitol building in response to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer's executive order that denies driver's licenses and state benefits to the immigrants who will qualify under the federal program.

The order came out the same day immigrants who were brought to this country illegally as children could begin to apply to the federal government for work permits and deportation relief under a program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.

President Barack Obama has called the administrative program a stopgap measure since the DREAM Act, a bill that would grant a pathway to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants, is stalled in Congress.

Dulce Vazquez, 20, plans to apply for deferred action, and had hoped to eventually get an Arizona driver's license as a result. But Brewer's order would prevent that.

"When we found out that Jan Brewer did this, personally there was a lot of shock, personally I was taken aback by that, and then I was just angry," Vazquez said. "Because then I felt like our giant step wasn't so giant."

Members of the Arizona DREAM Act Coalition said they had intended to hold a strategic planning session and celebrate Wednesday evening, but organized an impromptu march to the capitol instead.

As of 8 p.m. on Wednesday, about 60 people were gathered at the capitol. Some planned to spend the night, and there were plans to reconvene in the morning to coincide with the Governor's arrival.

Brewer's order indicates that immigrants who receive deferred action cannot access state benefits under current state law because they will still not be in the country legally.

Officials from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which administers the deferred action program, has said it will be up to the states to decide if deferred action recipients can get state benefits like licenses or in-state tuition at state schools.

Vazquez said Brewer's order demonstrates the limits of deferred action.

"I am going to use this as motivation to get others involved," Vazquez said. "The solution is the DREAM Act, only then can we be recognized as the citizens that we truly are."

Long Read,.....but (at least for those not completely up to speed on just what exactly is transpiring here)WELL worth the time.

Very poor piece of "Policy", this,......

kinda' SUICIDAL, some would say.

TALK to your reps and Governors, tell them to follow Az's lead.

GTC

Link: http://themercurial.com/should-immigrants-take-action-with-deferred-action/

On June 15, a Department of Homeland Security memorandum by Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano announced President Obama�s immigration policy directive, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which goes into effect today.

Undocumented immigrant advocacy groups, immigration lawyers, and illegal/undocumented immigrants have been feverishly preparing since the announcement. Most of these efforts concentrated on educating the public about Deferred Action, and beginning the process of collecting required documentation.

At the time, these stakeholders were preparing for an application they had not yet seen, an unknown application submission deadline, potentially overwhelming numbers of applicants, and other unknown variables that may yet come as a shocking surprise with the actual release of the application.

According to the United States Citizen and Immigration Services (SCIS) website, starting on August 15, illegal/undocumented immigrants may request deferred action for deportation if they meet the following requirements: Note: �Undocumented� and �illegal� are two politically charged terms used to describe immigrants who are residing in the United States without legal paperwork and status. We have chosen to use �undocumented� for the simplicity of reading the article and not to deflect attention from the fact that �undocumented immigrants� are committing a crime by residing in the United States illegally.

1. Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;

2. Came to the United States before reaching their 16th birthday;

3. Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;

4. Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;

5. Entered without inspection before June 15, 2012, or their lawful immigration status expired as of June 15, 2012;

6. Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and

7. Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.

Secretary Napolitano�s reasoning behind these requirements is to focus enforcement resources on dangerous individuals and not to expend scarce resources on those who meet the above guidelines.

Bob Dane, Communications Director for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, expects a huge underground black market emerging, selling everything from phony rent receipts to prove residency and even forged high school diplomas.

There are not enough bureaucrats in all of Washington to (filter through) phony applications,� Dane said in an interview. �How is the CIS ever going to keep up and do background checks on anyone? They�re simply going to rubber stamp all of this.� He said that due to the sheer volume of applications, it is inevitable that national security threats will slip through the cracks.



The Obama administration and local undocumented immigrant advocacy groups have also warned that the underground black market will try to take advantage of deferral applicants� desperation by offering illegitimate services that are ultimately injurious to application acceptance.


Republicans vs. Democrats



Following Secretary Napolitano�s memo on June 15, there was an immediate backlash from the Republican party claiming that the directive was a politically driven move by the Obama administration to garner Latino votes for the upcoming election.



Camilla Bortolleto, co-founder of CT Students for a DREAM, agreed, but thinks Republican criticisms are also politically driven.

�To be totally honest, I do think it�s a little bit of both,� Bortolleto said in an interview. �The reason why the Obama administration did this at this time is because it�s a really good time to do it, because the election is coming up and both parties are really vying for the Latino vote.�

Dane has a similar mindset:

�Make no mistake, both sides play political games with immigration. That may be the worst part of immigration. It�s use of bipolar political parties. It is an illegitimate use of immigration policy to use it for political means.�

Dane and other critics, such as Kris Kobach, Immigration Advisor for the Romney presidential campaign, have focused criticisms on the issue of executive vs. legislative authority.

Dane thinks Deferred Action was a deliberate strategy by the Obama administration. �When the President took office he knew there was no appetite for the DREAM Act amnesty. He put regulations into place, bypassing Congress� authority to do that and then ultimately usurped Congressional authority to regulate immigration.�

�Earlier this year, the Republican Senator Mark Rubio, he proposed his own weak Republican version of the DREAM Act, Bortolleto said. �He proposed that students can apply for work permits but prevent them from ever getting citizenship or green cards. I think that was a big push for Obama. I think he realized, �We can�t let Republicans do this. I think that the eventual goal of the Obama administration is to pass the DREAM Act or some kind of comprehensive immigration reform.�

Putting aside any conscious avoidance of legislative process, the policy directive highlights an important organ in our ever evolving American democracy. The line between executive power and legislative process is blurred by a massive, overwhelmed bureaucracy, and venomous political polarization that often clouds the subject at hand.



Republicans and Democrats, and supporters and critics of the directive, will both agree though, that this policy directive is not simply an administrative whim, it is a decision that deeply affects the emotions and lives of all Americans.


The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly



The most obvious benefactors of this policy directive are undocumented immigrants. Ingrid Alvarez-DiMarzo, Executive Director of the Hispanic Center of Greater Danbury, Conn, said in an interview that many applicants have been here as young children, or even for their entire lives.



�As a child in the school system they�ve never been discriminated against,� Alvarez-DiMarzo explained. �As you get older in the system and you graduate and try to go to college and go to work you realize �I can�t work� �I can�t get financial aid� �I don�t have status.� That�s like culture shock for kids who have been here their whole lives.�



��being undocumented has been living without a prospect of a future,� remarked Bortolleto. �I was slowly starting to understand as I grew up that even though I lived most of my life here�that I would have no future here and no life here. I wouldn�t be able to get a job. I wouldn�t be able to get a career. I wouldn�t be able to have an actual life� now we know we can get a work permit and we don�t have to be afraid anymore. I�ll be able to drive and won�t be scared when I see the police because I know they�ll try to help me and not deport me.�



Dane said stories like the one above look good from the standpoint of an undocumented immigrant being granted amnesty, but there is a definite effect on American citizens who are struggling for scarce resources in a poor economy. He explained that U.S. citizens, who face a most recent U-6 unemployment rate (those without work, marginally attached workers, and those working part time for economic reasons) of 22.9% (~71 million), are facing even more stiff competition for scarce jobs.



�There is still about seven and a half million illegal aliens still occupying jobs that belong to U.S. residents. What is that�displacement? Is it job displacement for a native born worker or is it the wage suppression?� Dane asked.



A popular defense of this claim is that undocumented immigrants are taking low paying jobs Americans are not interested in.



A part-time construction worker from Sandy Hook, Conn, who wishes to remain anonymous, disagreed with the defense.



�I can�t find a job getting paid a decent amount of money because there�s Mexicans that are willing to work for it,� the worker said in an interview. �Instead of supporting local residents who are looking for jobs, they�re bringing in (Latinos) from Danbury. This large housing development was going up in Sandy Hook and they claimed that it was going to bring allot of work to the Sandy Hook residents. If you drive by like every (expletive) day there�s 40 Mexicans sitting on top of the hill.�



Similarly, Dane pointed out that while taking millions of American citizen�s jobs, undocumented immigration is also interjecting a huge amount of poorly skilled, poorly educated and heavily government dependent immigrants into the country.



According to A Profile of America�s Foreign-Born Population, a 2012 study by the Center for Immigration Studies, 43% of immigrants who have been in the country for a decade or more are still on welfare. Dane said that in addition to this dependence, undocumented workers utilize scarce economic resources through use of healthcare, incarceration, and education.



Bortolleto disagreed, saying that this is a common misconception. �The funny thing is that people say that undocumented immigrants don�t pay taxes and get health benefits,� she said. �But I found that it�s the other way around. We pay taxes and don�t get any of the benefits. So we pay into social security but don�t get any of the social security benefits. Most people don�t get healthcare; they don�t get any social service, like food stamps.�



Bortolleto thinks that not only are undocumented immigrants not draining these perceived economic resources, but are value adding contributors to the United States economy. �Most undocumented students feel that they have to work so much harder than American students because we don�t take it for granted,� she explained. �We know the opportunity that we have.�



Lisa Rodriguez, an Immigration Lawyer for the Law Office of Erin O�Neil Baker LLC in Hartford, Conn., agreed with Bortolleto�s assertion.



�There�s this belief that there�s a lot of talent here in the United States, that if they�re given permit work authorization cards they�re able to then turn it into a benefit for the government, for the state,� Rodriquez said in an interview. �They can be productive. So there�s that side of it. That we�re taking this skilled youth and making it work for us.�



Bob Dane referred to this as a sort of magical, mythical thinking. �Just because someone has a GED who is residing here illegally, that they are going to somehow instantly revitalize the economy. Even with a community college degree in today�s job market you�re running at a huge disadvantage.�



Dane added that the mass immigration which served our needs in the better half of the last century is no longer needed to fuel the economy, and that it serves as a detriment to preserving what we have remaining. He said that immigration policy needs to be regarded as something that affects United States residents 50-100 years down the road.



�Years ago we had wide open borders, towns to populate, factories and infrastructure to build and virtually an endless amount of natural resources,� Dane reminisced. �Where are we going to be 50 years from now? By the year 2050 we�ll have nearly a half billion people. That takes up water, deforestation, environment, and resource depletion.�



To further intensify resource depletion, Dane said the policy directive is sending a worldwide message that will drastically increase the number of undocumented immigrants who enter the country.



�It is sending a message loud and clear that get in to the U.S. any way you can, keep your head down, don�t commit another crime, other than the immigration violation, and you�ll be ready to go,� Dane said. �It is a massive global message that America regards the immigration law violation as simply inconsequential in and of itself.�


The Slight, The Uncertainty



It�s clear that Obama�s policy directive transcends basic administrative operations. It is an executive decision that profoundly affects all Americans, be they undocumented or legal citizens.



�You have to be very alarmed at the manner in which the president unconstitutionally, illegitimately bypassed Congress,� stated Dane. � Basically using the Presidential Office to legislate something that Congress as recently as 2010 shut down. This is the bedrock foundation of our Constitution.�



Regarding the executive power to make such an important and far reaching decision, Bortolleto said �he should generally not do it.�



Hans von Spakovsky, Senior Legal Fellow and Manager of the Civil Justice Reform Initiative at The Heritage Foundation, stated in an interview that we cannot make exceptions to the American legal process because it suits our needs today.



�They (undocumented immigrants) may like it now (Deferred Action), but they are not thinking about the long term consequences,� said von Spakovsky. �They are paving the ground for a president doing things outside of the law they don�t like and not having a legal recourse against it. That is extremely dangerous.�



Dane was asked if he could provide a parallel example of executive branch operations stepping on the toes of legislative authority, but he couldn�t come up with an answer.



An informational panel on Deferred Action held by the Hispanic Center of Greater Danbury last month provided the best example:



Alvarez-DiMarzo was asked if after submitting their forms, applicants will then be on the radar, and subject to deportation proceedings. She said it�s all up in the air. �Depending on who the new president is this may change. Depending if the Congress comes back they may decide to take this to the courts. It can change, it can morph into so many different things.�



According to the USCIS website, �Information provided in this request is protected from disclosure to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) for the purpose of immigration enforcement proceedings.�



However, the statement comes with the following disclaimer:



�This policy, which may be modified, superseded, or rescinded at any time without notice, is not intended to, does not, and may not be relied upon to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by any party in any administrative, civil, or criminal matter.�



The executive order may be progressive, historic, bold, and in the best interests of the American people � but when it bypasses the legislative process, it may in fact end up hurting the very people it was intended to help. It is clearly stated on the USCIS website � undocumented immigrants may very well be walking into a trap.



�I think that�s definitely a concern that a lot of people have because it�s not a law, it�s just a policy directive, so it�s not permanent,� said Bortolleno. �That is something that a lot of students are very worried about.�



Rodriguez agreed , saying �It is very scary for alot of people.�



von Spakovsky, putting himself in the shoes of an undocumented immigrant said, �I�d be concerned because it does not have the force and effect of a rule of law�I�d probably be pretty worried.�

Where the U.S. government will take this act is uncertain. What we do know is that there are many unanswered questions. Fear of deportation will not be abated by this executive order, and may in fact be amplified. More significantly, Deferred Action brings into focus the philosophy of the American democratic system and legislative process.

"BREWER FOR PREZ!!!"

I'll make the nomination. Who'll second it?
Paul B.

2nd

From everything I've seen - she's a patriot of the highest order! It would sure be a thrill to see West/Brewer ticket one of these days......that would have a lot of traitors and terrorists shakin' in their suits and boots!!

Was already aware of this dustup Xfire, but just wanted to say I love the thread title .

There's another interesting evolution germinating, that looks to have SERIOUS potential for biting this "administration" right square in their sorry azzes........, one that virtually DEFINES the term "Unintended Consequences".

Yesterday I wrote, "Some disappointed young folks here, kinda' hard not to empathize with their situation."

I MEANT that, they ARE in an unenviable, and very insecure situation, to say the least. By and large, these young folks speak pretty good English, and the meaning of the word PAWN is not lost on them. Look for a FLOOD of editorial comment about the way they have been USED,.....and the politically motivated and disingenuous nature of this whole stunt.

BET your bottom dollar that the substantial and articulate HISPANIC CONSERVATIVE activists will be driving this point home, and in the process, fostering a conservative "Dreamer" wing.

....ya' can fool some of the people some of the time,...etc."

GTC

The first and second American Revolutions started in the colonial/state legislatures and governors offices and so shall the next.

bump

I think regardless of where you fall on the issue of a pathway for young teens and young adults that have spent their entire life in America and know nothing else, the issue of the day is whether we a a country of laws, governed by the consent of the people through a representative form of government.

We have a president who has decided that one person has more power, knowledge and wisdom than the representatives elected by the people to pass laws.

We have a president who believes that circumventing the founding documents to do "what is right" is somehow commendable.

Personally, I don't think that just defeating him in November is enough. We need to throw a war lance in the ground that dictatorial maneuvers by the oval office will not be tolerated by the people.

We need to elect people to Congress who will protect the founding documents and our republic, just as the government of Honduras protected theirs. There is a reason Obama didn't back the Constitutionally-minded leaders of that country when they ousted their president for seeking dictatorial powers, like Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela.

The next Justice department needs to be led by people with the integrity to restore our nation to it's roots and invstigate this administration and prosecute. They also need to investigate the fraud of Obama and prosecute there as well. Only the Justice Department can unravel the SSN, College records and passport records. Only the Justice Department can investigate the birth records. And only the Justic Department can bring charges against a former president.

Good post.

Hmmm....when you fellows get sick of that woman, we'll take her.

If slicky ricky perry had just half of her balls, he'd be a much less disgusting politician.

Who? Ain't heard nothin' outta him lately.

The European-American supremacists in AZ are trying their best not to became the minority. But sooner or later it will happen.

Mormons vs illegal mexicans on breeding litters... lol

Az is still 57% cracker, 30% hispanic and 13% other... we got the mormons keeping the average up.

Life is explained by math... not imagination.

Kent

Lord love a duck,......

All,....go check out the chit this monkey is flinging out of his cage,....all OVER the board, in the last 15 minutes. WTF is THIS clown ?

496, I gotcher' 'Euro American' right here, you deranged azzwhole. Bugger off.

GTC

Nice piece of text there, Se�or.

A solid 10X, IMHO

GTC

Doubt that, she prefers an ARMED group backing her.

GTC

If census workers wanted to find out the real number of Hispanic they would not be knocking on doors.

They would drive up to the front of a house honk the horn then count how many came out.

Oh, so there's another million or so hidden illegals?

What a joke...

Kent

Doubtless she would prefer no drunks too....guess that leaves you out.

Does she have any (younger...much) sisters?

You know jack diddly CHIT about me, Mister.

Keep guessing, Big Mouth.

GTC

I know you are a drunken big mouthed piece of [bleep] that likes to talk down to others.
You also appear to be a racist, bigoted so-and-so that thinks his [bleep] doesn't stink.

On the plus side you do seem to be trying to raise awareness to the illegal immigrants issue....and you do get points for that.


But what would I know, I am a whole ocean away and only have your internet rantings to go by.

"But what would I know"....

GFY, Stuart, "talking down" to low life is unavoidable, it goes with your territory.

"Racist" ?,.....just WTF do you get THAT bit of trash, you blithering idiot ?

GTC

i am not sure where my family fits in, euro whatever per another poster, certainly cracker, partially hispanic, and some mormons in the group. I wonder what that makes me?

how one could miscatagorize someone is hard to understand.
crossfire doesn't need me to defend him, but racist, bigoted is so far from the truth.

We don't care,......

Hey, just had a call, it looks like the Governor of Nebraska held a press conference and signed onto the same approach to this debacle as Az.

e.g. no Drivers licenses, etc. All the usual suspects are going apechit about it too.

GTC

Since I do not know the man I will have to take your word for this....so I apologise for my misreading of the mans character traits.

..unreservedly.

He is still a drunken loud-mouthed git though.

I know what you mean... I'm Welch/Native A/Irish from my paternal... French/Spanish/Mystery meat from my maternal, with both families being in AZ since the 1800s and my maternal the longest. My dad was raised mormon, my mom baptist... us kids, nondenominational.

I claimed NA on the 2010 census to not deny my mammoth eater DNA, since that DNA has been on this continent longer than the others... also supports my claim of indigenous.

My wife's maternal GPs owned, maintained a home and farmed land in both Yuma and Caborca, Mex from the 20s on. Their kids were raised in Yuma and her uncles still farm the family land there. Her paternal was from Polish/Welch/Chicago and her dad played polkas on an accordion.

My kids were born 1/4 mex, good percentage of welch from both sides and a mix of others... my son-in-law is 100% Chicago Puerto rican... my wife was born in Chicago, they moved back to AZ when she was 5...

My granddaughter... the 3/4 Chicago connection is scary, until you realize she is 100% Arizonian and screw the rest.

Kent

Looks like some Arizonan inadvertently stepped on somebody's douchebag,.....

Oh well, we have bigger fish to fry here in this thread. Offshore ninnies with hurt feelers, take a number and go to the back of the line, or fill out and leave a TS card.



Moving right along, than,.....

GTC

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-dream-act-lite-runs-more-trouble-nebraska-175716587.html

Obama�s DREAM Act-lite runs into more trouble
Nebraska has joined Arizona in opposing legal status for immigrants who are newly-documented under Obama�s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, setting up a constitutional battle while raising tough questions about the program.
Christian Science MonitorBy Patrik Jonsson | Christian Science Monitor � 10 hrs ago

Two days after Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer declared her state won�t confer driver�s licenses and other state benefits to newly-documented immigrants under Obama�s �deferred action� immigration policy, Nebraska, too, put its foot down.

Echoing Gov. Brewer, Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman (R) said on Saturday that Obama�s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program does not make successful applicants �legal citizens,� meaning they remain ineligible for state benefits like driver�s licenses and other services.

The deferred action plan, which took effect on Wednesday, could make as many as 1.7 illegal immigrants eligible for �deferred action� status, meaning they�re eligible to receive work papers and driver�s licenses. Applicants have to be no more than 31 years old, must have arrived in the US before the age of 16, and have no major crimes on their record.

The opposition stances taken by Nebraska and Arizona seem to at least partially challenge federal law, specifically the 2005 Real ID Act, which lists �deferred action� recipients as being eligible for driver�s licenses.

Experts, however, admit there are gray areas in the Real ID Act, especially as neither Arizona nor Nebraska lawmakers have ratified it. That means the moves by the two states amount to a �Constitutional throwdown,� according to Michael Olivas, an immigration law expert at the University of Houston, who also suggests the driver�s license ban is �just sheer political pandering to largely nativist and restrictionist forces.�

But as legal battles loom, the moves by the two governors do have the potential to more immediately undermine Obama�s new immigration policy.

Indeed, state opposition isn�t the only concern for applicants. While thousands lined up this week for help to apply, some Hispanic groups are concerned that immigration authorities may � despite the President�s orders and assurances of anonymity � use the information to find and deport family members. It�s not clear whether the program would continue if Mitt Romney wins the presidency.

Nebraska and Arizona likely have over 100,000 eligible illegal immigrants within their borders.

The move by Brewer drew sharp rebukes from some legal scholars, activists, and Democratic lawmakers.

�Jan Brewer has once again shown that she is nothing more than George Wallace in a skirt," Jeff Rogers, the chair of the Pima County Democratic Party, told reporters in Arizona. "What's next? Will she personally stand outside the Motor Vehicle office and block entry to qualified 'DREAMers'?"

George Wallace is the late Alabama governor who made his �stand in the schoolhouse door� at the University of Alabama to block African-American students from entering, and who, upon his inauguration, insisted, �Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.�

Harsh as it is, the Wallace analogy will ring true for many Americans. But it also suggests another underlying problem with Obama�s policy.

In the case of Wallace, he was challenging Congress. In the case of Arizona and Nebraska, the governors are challenging what some conservatives see as an extra-constitutional gambit orchestrated by Obama alone as a way to implement the failed DREAM Act through bureaucratic fiat.

That debate is one that Brewer and Heineman may be trying to force Obama to have ahead of the election, says Mark Krikorian, director of the conservative Center for Immigration Studies. �It�s a broader challenge to the government � and also makes sense for electoral purposes,� he says.

But not all Republicans are on board. Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who lost ground in the presidential primaries after sympathizing with the plight of illegal immigrants, has criticized the policy, but has not taken action against it. In fact, Texas is currently one of only a few states that allow in-state tuition at public universities for illegal immigrants.

And therein lays one big test for Obama�s new immigration policy. In order for �deferred action� immigrants to get in-state tuition benefits � a key selling point � the bulk of state legislatures will have to pass legislation to make that possible.

At the very least, the moves by Arizona and Nebraska suggest that the state-by-state debate over what some are calling DREAM Act-lite will continue and likely intensify.

Maybe we'll get more self deports from those going to Kali and such searching for legitimacy...

LOL, crazy like a fox.

Kent

Kent, I haven't read one single WORD here......I mean not one damned WORD amidst all the smoke, fury, noise and blither that this political horsechit generates,.......about the gent that the Romney / Ryan team has chosen as their "Immigration issues Legal Advisor"

His name may be familiar to a few here,.....

Chris Kobach ring any bells ?

Nose into the wind call here,......look for South Carolina, Alabama, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming joining us,.....muy pronto.

GTC

Well, he's a loadmouth and I've been one also... it's a thorn in the opposition's side to broadcast reality... if you don't like the delivery of AZ vernacular... who gives a chit.

The drunken references to cross always rolls me up... if you don't like the context of the content, doesn't mean the content is false... and to try to qualify the disagreement by 'impairment' is funny chit, knowing the man.

Kent

I like the Kobach connection... I think he's a hunter also... things are moving along.

Kent

The implications of just how EFFECTIVE this move is going to be in tossing these morons and thugs out of their comfortable chairs is going to take a while to sink in.

Gotta' call it an ENCOURAGING evolution,......there are some really fine MINDS behind this play, ones conversant with American Constitutional Law.

Grinning here..... must be something about the phrase 'Constitutional Throwdown', I reckon.

Let's all keep our chins up,

GTC


More good analysis from the Monitor:

Jan Brewer leads 'constitutional throwdown' against DREAM Act-lite

Jan Brewer, Arizona governor, is again taking on the White House, saying young illegal immigrants covered under a new Obama plan can't get state benefits. It could lead to legal wranglings.

Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0816/Jan-Brewer-leads-constitutional-throwdown-against-DREAM-Act-lite/%28page%29/2

Arizona, under Brewer, became a leading force in the anti-illegal immigration movement by passing Senate Bill 1070, which included tough measures designed to shrink the numbers of illegal immigrants. Several other states including Georgia and Alabama followed suit, sparking legal showdowns between the states and the US Department of Justice. This summer, the US Supreme Court struck down most of SB 1070, but retained one key provision: the ability of police officers to ask for identification from those they suspect are in the country illegally.


Brewer�s latest move could be part of an effort to build support in Congress and other states to challenge the constitutionality of DACA, which critics say goes beyond the White House's constitutional purview. Rep. Lamar Smith (R) of Texas, for example, has called DACA �a breach of faith with the American people and the rule of law.�

Brewer's order �is a broader challenge to the federal government, because this [Obama] order, this policy, is clearly illegal,� says Mark Krikorian, director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates stronger immigration laws and enforcement. �It�s trying to set up a confrontation that will focus not just on Governor Brewer�s order but on the illegality of the president�s policy."

"In a way, I think they�re kind of hoping that the Justice Department will sue them before the election,� he says.

Some observers suggest that the Obama administration will move swiftly to block state efforts to withhold benefits from successful DACA applicants.

�I believe the Obama administration is going to come out and say we�re changing the notes and tones of our directive, and say these kids are here under the color of law and protected by US immigration laws and due process, and/or they have a specific nonvisa immigrant category that allows them to have a driver�s license,� Arizona immigration attorney Jose Penalosa told KSAZ-TV on Thursday.

The president has said the policy is legal because the mechanisms for it are already in place and require no new bureaucracy or funding to implement. Expenses will be refunded, he says, through a $465 application fee

Kobach has got to be causing urine to run down a lot of people's leg. I am glad to know that. Not that one needed another reason to vote against the current president.

Actually Oblahblah has assued a Fatwah considering his mooslum heritage.
He must think he is some sort of Ayatollah DICTATOR
Thankfully American "Spring" will come early in November and send this illegal 1960's Radical packing!
Hope and change - my arse!
God Bless Gov. Jan Brewer & Sheriff Joe Arpaio!

My jackasse governor in Illinewmexico isn't going to doo jackscat! We have the largest illegal population in the U.S. I'll bet.

" Kobach has got to be causing urine to run down a lot of people's leg. I am glad to know that. Not that one needed another reason to vote against the current president."

With Kobach's coaching and steering a practical,workable, and most importantly, LEGAL "program" can be presented. This alternative to the grandstanding, and blatantly illegal 'Presidential Edict' currently in vogue WILL attract an enthusiastic following. While some will find the idea unpalatable, I'm LIKING the vision of an evolving faction of "Conservative Dreamers". That's my best call.

The RAZA, AZTLAN, MECHA crew are coming apart like 10 dollar suits, and the "protests" currently show very little of that usual fire and noisiness,.........it's more like they are quiet, disorganized, and confused.

There's a GREAT opportunity to subvert / convert their younger ranks, at this point in time.

......youze' heard it here foist.

GTC

The RAZA, AZTLAN, MECHA crew

the mexican version of al sharpton, jesse jackson, black panthers, et al.
And SIEU which i got to watch deface american flags at the state capitol a few years ago. It is all interrelated. People should watch the following two you tube interviews:

Part I http://www.youtube.com/embed/3CmkbShVqNA?feature=player_embedded

Part II http://www.youtube.com/embed/gy6odnqyLeU?feature=player_embedded

The RAZA, MECHA, MECHA crew,........not a bad moment to re-visit and ponder THEIR form of "patriotism"

The "Flag bunch" ? .........paid "Protestors", bussed in from California.

GTC












The crap on this clown's (Above) back translates 'Green Light to INVADE Arizona'

Wow!
Thank you for this post!

Guess old JStuart will have to call me a racist. I want every [bleep] illegal out of my country yesterday. That includes the illegal in the White House unless he completely proves otherwise which I doubt the can do.
However, before he does so, be advised JS that one, the lovely woman I've been married to for the last 44 yeas is Hispanic and native american, Apache to be exact. My eldest daughter is married to a Hispanic, my middle daughter is married to a Hispanic aas was my son. Unfortunately the divorced. My youngest is married to an Anglo.
Yes, I do want the illegals out of my country. I don't care if they're "good " people. They're criminals because the entered ILLEGALLY or don't you understand the word ILLEGAL. Now STFU and GFY.
Paul B.

You're MEAN !

Guess that's a prerequisite for being an accomplished "racist".



GTC

Incorrect, I also would like the illegals out of my country.
Black, white or brindle....if they are here illegaly I want them gone.

Oh, and GFY.

In point of fact, I am sick and tired of lazy good for nothing filth sitting on their arses in the pub on my tax dollars while I work to support them.

Prior to my current position I drove an interstate bus for a year and a half, in that time I got to see just who is on an Australian pension, as I was the one doing the ticketing....every foreigner in this place is on a full blown bloody pension.
Every drugged out bum, every alcoholic, and every lazy, useless freeloading piece of filth is here on my bloody tax dollars.
And I am bloody well sick off it.

I live in a township of 2700 people, of that 2700 people only 500 hold full time jobs.
So, with my wife and I there are another 498 people here that work.

I snatched it from my previous driving job on a monday night and had a managerial position at a local rural supply by thursday morning....so there is work here if you want it.

.....most don't.

So I for one would dearly like to have someone of Brewers ilk here.

I guess I was in the same boat. I was fooled also.

Well, now that everybody has bared their souls, and exposed their innermost thoughts and cares,

..... lemme again wish Paul a Happy (racist) birthday.

Now....let's get back to the real SUBJECT here,....

Our "MSM" seems to be quieter than Mouse Farts on alla' this, .....no ?

Here's Rueters take, per the Chitcago Trib.

Pretty damned understated, given the magnitude of the evolution.

GTC

Link: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-17/news/sns-rt-us-usa-immigration-nebras

Nebraska agrees with Arizona: no benefits for 'deferred action' immigrants
August 17, 2012|Karen Brooks | Reuters


(Reuters) - Illegal immigrants sheltered from deportation under a new federal program still won't be eligible for state services such as driver's licenses in Nebraska, the state's Republican governor said on Friday.

Governor Dave Heineman, in making the announcement, joined Arizona Governor Jan Brewer in challenging the federal government on immigration policy. Two days ago, Brewer issued an executive order barring illegal immigrants from getting state benefits.

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i am not sure where my family fits in, euro whatever per another poster, certainly cracker, partially hispanic, and some mormons in the group. I wonder what that makes me? [/quote]

Ron - American is the term that comes to MY mind!

Mark

^

Good

I wish Texas would do this...

But

No

Snake

Can't BEGIN to tell you how disappointed we are in Perry.

The guy's been BOUGHT.

Wish ya'll could sell him off.

GTC

Not sure if its been posted or not but NE is the 2nd state on this bandwagon......I sure hope it keeps rollin'!!

Continuing the topic...
Gov. Jan Brewer is to be commended for doing her job! Arizona has its back to the wall trying to secure and enforce our border with no help from the Feds (In fact just the opposite - lawsuits, meddling and litigation) What happened to State Sovereignty?
Why should she give State (legal citizens) taxpayer $$dollars to fund Driver's licenses and tuition for illegals so that they could STEAL job's that belong to LEGAL citizens !?
She should be SUPPORTED financially (campaign funds) and with volunteers.
I understand she has the support of the Arizona A.G.
What about demoRhino sheriff John Mcnasty?(I supported $$ J.D.Hayworth)
My tell in all this (Arizona - red or blue?) will be whether Sheriff Joe Arpaio gets re-elected.
This chit has got to STOP somewhere. C'mon Arizona!!!

Should have said "border's"... keep those Kalifornia libturds OUT!
What the hell happened to Orange County and Anaheim California??? Gene Autry would NOT be proud!