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Don't know but I believe this.

1. Abortion is wrong and the Lord doesn't look highly on those who enable this to be law in this country.

2. I don't want to meet my maker and have to explain my vote for a candidate that advocates and permits the execution of His children.

3. I don't want to meet my maker and have to explain my INACTIVITY when it comes tome to vote against someone who advocates and permits the execution of His children.

Just me and what I believe - I'll vote regardless of that article.

Also, regardless of your belief for or against abortion - any society that says it's okay to terminate a pregnancy due to "inconvenience", when given the ability to make end of life decisions on the elderly and sick (obamacare) - will have zero qualms about letting you die due to "inconvenience".

Just me and the way I look at it.

Well said Andrew! I agree with you all the way.

I agree with you on abortion completely, but what about making war all over the world? #2 would seem to suggest a real problem with EITHER party, as would #3.

Collateral damage counts in God's eyes, don't you think?

Just the way I look at it; my vote won't count because no matter which of the major parties I back, they're going to kill innocent people in my name.

Nope. By the time our polls close in national elections, it's already been decided. I still vote cuz that way I can bitch if I don't like the outcome and because of the local issues that are on ballot also.

County I usta live in we had a seat won by one vote, So yes, sometimes one vote counts.

How quickly we forget the Bush/Gore election.

Yes it counts. It's all you have. When that 1 vote turns into 1 million because of the contagious and progressive nature of apathy and surrender,threads such as these are simply designed to seek an excuse for such a pathetic,quitting behavior.

My comment is not directed towards anyone in particular. It's directed to the thought process.

I didn't forget, but it doesn't help when one of our delegates already said that it doesn't matter the outcome of the populace vote, she's gonna vote the way she wants to. She's not exactly conservative by nature.

I still vote every time, but by national issues, it doesn't make a rats ass.

Right on! Right on!

Doesn't make any difference which party occupies the White House nothing will change.

just going solely on the thread title...I would have to say yes...or at least I hope so....my vote will cancel out my brothers... Hes abit disallusioned... So I at least have just a little consolation that his vote will not count........

Yes I will vote....and it does count!

Its my right and I feel its my duty as a citizen. And will not waste it by doing what some would consider a protest vote.

Its up to everyone to listen and think through the canidates responces and actions and make the best choice possible.

No one canidate will ever please all of a person's concerns, just get as close as you can.

Andrew, I agree with you; the bad point is that the one person that I know of that is against abortion is so well known that probably only 1 other person knows who he is.

As for the 1 vote counts, yes. The election of JFK was decided by less than 1 vote per voting district.

Mike B

The question was will it make any difference if Team Romney or Team Obama occupy the White House? And the answer is NO.

Better hope it will .... especially if you live in Ohio . Turns out there are one Million "Free" Obama Phones floating around Ohio and they are not free , but paid for by the Taxpayer . Teacher commented that she had some kids in one of these depressed areas that had 2 or 3 of these Cell Phones . It's tough to fight against this type of gravy train .

How does cynicism get to the point where arithmetic doesn't work?



Why be a ball and a chain?



Do sumthin real or they'll throw dirt on ya.

I'm with Joel, national election will be called if I wait till evening to vote.


but it's a matter of principal to me, I have to vote for Romney, no not because I think he's the most conservative guy that ever lived, but because he's a move away from the Socialist Party.

In my personal opinion, the GOP is no longer what it once was, and neither are the Dems, they are now out and out socialist and the GOP reminds me more of what Dems were back in the 50's and 60's

guess our country has slid to the left no matter which of the two major parties with which you find yourself most aligned


but I owe it to my kids and grandchild to do everything in my power to prevent us becoming Europe West


I feel bad enough that my generation lacked the balls or wisdom to hang politicians from the cherry trees in DC.


we've let the [bleep] spend us into oblivion while enriching bankers on Wall St., socialism for certain, privatize the gains, spread the losses to taxpayers via bailouts guaranteed by a broke US Gov't.


my whole generation ought to be ashamed that we didn't take up arms against an enemy more deadly to our way of life than even radical Islam fanatics.

politicians and bureaucrats.

This.




And the word corruption sums up 99% of it.

That's good to hear Teal. Abortion is my first issue. Everything else is secondary to me, important-but secondary.

In my State . . . probably not . . . Arkansas will more than likely go to Romney anyhow, and by a significant margin. That, plus we live in part of the country referred to as "flyover country", so will mean little in the nationwide sense.

But I'm voting anyhow just so I can cancel my dimwitted brother's ill-cast vote .

Is it short memory or was it before some of our time to remember the most despised, hated, human being you could be was a communist,.... and now, over half the country is supporting one in the White House.
I think I'll keep on voting agin them.

geo

If you don't vote then it will make a difference

In local and state elections, your vote may actually count because a simple majority is all that's needed to win. In the Presidential Election, it only counts if you vote the same as the winning majority in your state. I don't want to start an argument about the Electoral College. Not perfect, but it's the way it is and that's that.

It's not any Washington politician's business has to what's going on in a persons bedroom, gun cabinet, doctors office or church.

That's a damned fact..

Supreme court appointments don't make any difference, or you think they would both appoint the same type of judges if given the opportunity? You want four more years of Hillary, or someone else as Sec of State? I hope the sand in Montana is warm, so your head doesn't get cold.

Well said, and spot on..

I'll cast my vote so I can bitch at others the next 4 years if the affirmative action fool is reelected.

In the last election I voted early and then took a few days off the grid up in the mountains...
Its was a surreal feeling knowing that the outcome had been determined and that I had no idea what it was.
I just knew that I wasn't sure that I even wanted to.....

The three electoral votes most likely will go to Team Romney, how I vote will have no impact on the nation.

That argument no longer holds water after Roberts vote. As to who is secretary of state, that will be of little importance as the government will continue it's policy of warfare as it's good for the MIC.

That argument no longer holds water after Roberts vote.
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How about Heller and McDonald? Try and think past a instantaneous,lame sound bite.

Good rebuttal....some folks think things should go their way 100% of the time.The world isn't built that way.

Yes, my vote will make a difference. It will make a difference to me if to no one else. It will prove to me that I have done all I could to change the direction of this country.

My vote is all I legally have to effect change for the better no matter how slight. The only other option is to hoist the pirate flag and declare war.

It only counts unless you let some of the A-holers on here talk you out of it. That's their purpose you know.

You got that right,....

Yep.my vote makes a difference to ME!

Every time I vote I make a difference,you should as well.

It always has, and always can. As long as I don't go off the deep end and vote for someone that doesn't have a chance.

Them winning majorities are counted up, one vote at a time, your vote included. miles

I'll be voting anyway, mostly because my vote may matter in local elections that I'm quite concerned about. But as far as the presidential election, probaby not. Romney will win GA easily. It works the same for him if he wins here by 1 vote or 1,000,000 votes.

Oh Lord ...and we invaded Iraq and now have all this cheap oil too- right? Look, enslavement is evil. Bondage is evil. I feel that and unlimited power is what BHO advocates and doing nothing to prevent that simply because we live in an imperfect country just adds up to lack of will to do a damn thing but complain.

You mention Roberts because of Obamacare- yes I feel betrayed too. Allowing BHO another will certainly enable it. Electing Romney just might prevent it. But if giving up completely makes more sense to you than trying to fix it....then have at it.

This morning on neocon news network (Fox) I heard about Romney's upcoming speech. I was very worried. He's a globalist. He supports interventionism, which is wholly in contradiction to the stern admonitions of our Founding Fathers, not to mention the fact that we're ruining our children's and their children's future. He'll increase our national debt by fighting stupid wars that are of no military interest of the USA. He'll strengthen power of our creditors. Romney supports a woman's right to choose...death! And he is a proven enemy of the Second Amendment.

Alan Keyes, Andrew Napolitano, et. el. are right on target: Romney is every bit as bad as Obama.

Not only will I never vote for Romney, I am beginning to fear him as much as I fear Obama.

Romney is a riddle wrapped in mystery inside an enigma. Romney supporters either have no clue of who they're supporting, or they have no clue of conservatism, or they're leftist liberals just like their messiah.

Do you think electing another leftist liberal who's rapsheet might just be worse than Obama's is going to fix anything, or will it exacerbate what might be our terminal condition?

And your supporting a liberal leftist who is perfectly described in the linked article is going to do what?

RISJR, there's no doubt in my mind that you're a neocon, which is really a liberal leftist cloaked in a noun that sounds more appealing to those who're easily duped.

That's exactly right, your vote, if you live in CA, will cancel out my vote for Gary Johnson, who is the only true defender in the race of the country our Founding Fathers created.

Close as you can to what? The destruction of our country???

So, should we accept that presidents of both parties have hasten the destruction of our constitution? Tell me how the world was built in which we're now virtually enslaved by a centralized government in contradiction to our Founding Fathers beliefs.

we get it Raisuli, you're man of principle that in your view the ones of us voting for Romney are not.


I'd probably find myself in agreement with you concerning how I want this nation governed as our FF envisioned.


but that day has slipped past


you remind me of the guy that "if he can't have Halle Berry (or insert any beautiful woman celebrity in place) as his wife, he'll take no wife at all"


nada wrong with that, but please don't look down your nose at those guys that just went ahead and found the best woman they could and went on to raise families and help build a strong nation.


Mitt ain't my dream date, but the sooner I get my nation out of bed with Obama, well we're moving in the right direction imo, even it ain't as far right as I'd like.

Raisuli...you take your protest vote for Gary Johnson and stick it where the sun don't shine.

I've had enough of Hope & Change and I've only seen the Country getting worst. Your vote is a vote for the current President and you it.

YAWN!

2legit2quit,

You are that guy, the guy who's demonstrated a willingness to forever compromise away his freedom while he looks at the woman he should have never had married and think of how he should have pursued the girl of his dreams.

How is substituting one prostitute that's in our nation's bed with another who's every bid as bad going to benefit you?

If you want head in the right direction, I suggest that you vote Gary Johnson. But you're your own man, so vote for who soothes your conscience, even if the soothing is illusory.

You're a irrelevant,cackling hen.You couldn't get a analysis right if you made it on November 7th. Go back to school,lightweight.

it's no secret here Raisuli for those that have been around awhile, I'm a big fan of the things that Ron Paul says as to how our nation should be governed.


dating back to the last Presidential election, when I felt there still might be time to turn this around before it gets really ugly.


but I live in the real world, I have employees that aren't as dedicated to customer service as I wish they were, yet I keep some of them on, because truthfully, very few of them have the same dedication to public service as I do.


my wife is not perfect, but she's a danged fine woman, a good mother, a smart girl. I'm not going to dump her because she's not perfect. Plus she has a blind spot where I'm concerned so that's a plus.


yep you're a man of principle, you wouldn't gouge eyes, or bite during a street fight, I get that and admire you for it.


but the end result is we may both get our azzes kicked, but I'm going to do everything I can to give me a reasonable chance to prevail.


while you're voting for Gary Johnson you can stroke yours and pretend you're with any woman you desire.

RISJR,

I'm the bus driver takin' your dumb ass to school. And quit leaving feathers on my bus.

Foghorn Leghorn said you're the only mistake he's made:

If repealing Obamacara is a start then yes, I do.

Obamacare is an Obamanation. And even bigger Obamanation is being conned in to believin' Romney's gunna repeal it. Romeny's already said he ain't; he's gunna change it. That's his way of tellin' you a lie that you want to believe. It's that Steve_Goebbels thang!

Please tell your v-card's been revoked. You've got no ring in your bell tower. I hope your voting precinct has been GPS hacked. That way you'll wind up where the sun don't shine instead of where you're liable to do real damage, and that would be yanking a ballot lever.

YAWN!

I just got the down low that you ain't yawnin', your muzzle has been cramped open 'cause of all the RINO shillin' you've been a doin'!

You ought to be back in the closet with your homies, Steve_No & Baby Huey. Maybe you can get trouser snake (elakhunternm) & daddymadeanoops (crossfreoops) in there with y'all. That way you can parcel out RINO shillin' & maybe get yerself a finder's fee.

You damn right it will, if not the first in a series of volleys sure as [bleep] will.

Gunner

One vote always counts! How many people would it take to say my vote won't count anyway so I'm just not going to vote, 20,000 a 100,000 maybe 1,000,000?

We had a city utility tax measure that had and continues to have a drastic influence on our city pass by just 5 votes. On recount it was even less but still passed... on it's sunset it passed again by just a few votes, and today the funds are not only not being spent on what they were supposed to be spent on... but the funds have become 20 percent or more of the city's general fund...

Yup, every vote counts even if it doesn't seem like it, maybe even it all it does is send a message!


Phil

My vote won't count in Oregon. Portland and Eugene will go Obama and that'll overwhelm the more conservative rural areas.

If Romney actually makes this speech:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...ilitary-spending-syria-intervention?lite

Then it makes me want to puke. I may not even vote.

but yet you had no trouble marking the ballot for Obama last time Jeff?


I don't mean it disparagingly, but I believe the locale you live in has had an effect upon you.


long held the belief that what you read and who you hang out with has the BIGgest influence on who we become in 5 years.


you live in a liberal state and it seems the sins of liberals don't trouble you as much as the sins of conservatives, or at least that's how it appears to me.

Fair enough, 2legit.

And then he spent several weeks on here telling us how it was a smart thing to do and where we all went wrong. I doubt that he has changed except for his not wanting the world to know how he votes. miles

No chit? i always thought Jeff voting fer zero wuz a campfire joke.

Gunner

JeffO is the joke.

Damn Steelie, so it's true?

Gunner

"Pathetic quitter" is the best phrase I've seen in this topic for the ones who say they won't vote because their vote won't make a difference.

It's especially pathetic for those who say, "Romney's already won my district, so my vote doesn't mean anything." Gee, you think your candidate is going to win, so you won't vote? How many more quitters will it take who think like that before he ends up LOSING your district?

If you want to make a difference, get some yard signs, hook up with your local political action committee, walk the neighborhood and offer to drive people to the polls who would otherwise have trouble getting there, make phone calls and stand up for what you believe in!

In short, get off your pathetic butt and DO SOME WORK THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

Of course

Agreed CZECH, a team of mules couldn't keep me from getting to the polls on 11-06-2012.

I'm gonna fire my bullet.

Gunner

I'll defend voting O in '08. Well... let me modify that by saying I'm not getting sucked into a big political firefight today. Too much to do in the real world.

Hell, voting for a republican at that juncture would've been much less defensible. Anyone who doesn't see that is at least as much an idiot as I might be.

Civil liberties shrank more, and central government power and spending increased more, during Dubya's administration than in Clinton's, so one could understand not supporting someone (McLame) intent on doing more of the same. You likely didn't realize, however, that Obama would be many times worse than either Clinton or Dubya.

"Your vote may make you feel good about our form of government, but if history is any sort of guide, it will have little effect on the nation�s direction."

That's about it.

BTW, before voting, every voter should read:
"The Creature From Jekyll Island."

Absolutely. I read it with great care last year. Truly eye-opening and extremely well referenced.

"Will your vote make a difference?"

Probably not. I don't know the actual percentages, but there is a percentage (47%?) who will always vote Democratic, and, there is a percentage (47%?) who will always vote Republican. Which means that the 6% will decide it.

Important book. People need to realize who their masters are.

He's got several lectures on Youtube as well. A bit lengthy in his presentation style but worth it for those interested.

I do think that some posters here are finally getting the validity of what TRH & Derby_Dude have been posting.

The golden rule in politics is that he who controls the gold makes the rules. We've got a lot of prostitutes masquerading as politicians.

in strong red states, and equally in strong blue states, a percentage of the voters can swing in another direction and it not make a hill of beans worth of diffeence.

hopefully you can understand what i'm saying. that is in red states, if the red candidate wins, the rest could have voted for jack or jill. in storng blue states, as long as the blue candidate wins, the remainder could vote for jack or jill.

it's an excellent way to send a message, if you live in a strong red or strong blue state. just sayin'

You're right on the money. If I want to know where states are truly swinging, all I gotta do is check out where Obama & Romney are fighting it out.

BTW, I saw another Obama bumper sticker today in the heart of Reagan Country. It was on the back of a high end Lexus SUV. I can't remember the last time I saw or if I've ever seen a Romney bumper sticker here. Maybe I might have, but it would have been a long time ago because I can't remember it. I have never seen a Romney sign in the heart of Reagan Country & we're down to the nitty-gritty.

Atta boy, Jeff0. that helps your boy without having to take responsibility for it.

since mid-summer, when i saw a few Ron Paul bumper stickers popping up in the countryside, very few to none political stickers have shown themselves.

in one of the most conservative congressional districts and zipcodes in the country, i've seen exactly one Romney Ryan sticker.

no incumbent stickers at all. there's an appalling lack of interest among the rank and file. most just want to be able to maintain the semblance of a middle-class lifestyle while they escape the inner-city thugs.

Of course my vote counts and makes a difference.I cancel some dole sucking scumbag's vote living off the rest of us who work for a living if for NO other reason. Apathy gets no one ahywhere and I won't give Obama voters the satisfaction of thinking MY vote don't count. Magnum Man

if you live in a red State, then perhaps you're a core voter for the challenger. if you're in a blue state, send a message any way that you like in terms of whom best to vote for.

You are leaving out the part about GWB having 8 years and both houses for a while there. I think we got to see the neocon ideas manifested in all their glory. It was not very glorious. A stupid, stupid war... skyrocketing deficit, an AG who covered up statues, and at the end there? Complete meltdown of the economy, with GWB shoveling money towards the finance sector as he simpered out the door.

Voting for more of that = stupid defined.

I'm pretty damn fed up with Obama. Romney looks worse the more of him I see. Buncha [bleep] liars, all of them, and they are all intent on facilitating the removal of my money from my wallet in the most gutless ways imaginable.

I take it you don't believe Romney when he said he'd lower taxes? That wasn't my take on it either, especially with his weasel clause of not lowering taxes if it increases the deficit.

Quote: I'm pretty damn fed up with Obama. Romney looks worse the more of him I see. Buncha [bleep] liars, all of them, and they are all intent on facilitating the removal of my money from my wallet in the most gutless ways imaginable: Quote

both wings of the demopublican consortium wants to know you are moving smoothly in the traces, and paying your taxes on time. they'll use the proceeds to further advance their wing of the consortium.

if you're young and male, and lived under the demo's back in the sixties you'd find yourself getting drafted for the war machine unless you had a rich daddy. getting into the national guard was quite the bit of wizardry back in the day. if you knew a General or your Dad was important in the community you were safe from that dirty little war in SE Asia.

it's sickening to think of how poor our choices have become. the Tea Party meant well, but apparently have collapsed of their own weight.

Both those guys've got it figured out.

The neocon faction here is just more vocal. They've managed to convince people on this site that Ron Paul is a liberal quack and that Romney is a conservative. You can't make this schit up.

Kudos to their effective propaganda campaign. They earned it.

Romney being the nominee is proof enough of that.

When I was young and so much smarter than I am now, I didn't know how stupid & useless wars, the Federal Reserve Act, & the 16th Amendment all fit together like puzzle pieces, the big picture of which made insiders richer and more powerful at the expense of American soldiers' lives.

Our Founding Fathers were pretty damned brilliant, which is why they were pretty damned prescient.

President Madison had it nailed when he said, �If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.�

Thomas Jefferson wielded a big hammer as well when he nailed: �If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property -until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.�


Take care,

R

It isn't just happenING. It has happened.

Yeah, I owe it all to TRH.

Ghost in the Machine has always been in the clown car with Hawkeye and DD, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions about a massive shift to the crazy train around here. There's room in there for you, too, but I think they'd sniff you out for the Obama shill you really are.

I know it because I've read it right here on the 'fire. Conservatives are outgunned by neocons. What's ironic is that these neocons actually think they're conservative. I won't mention names but his initials are BOWSINGER slings neocon support like Obama & Romney sling unpatriotic BS. He actually throws in with the head of the 'fire's neocon movement, Steve_No, whom I'm sure is a Saul Alinsky protege.

I've seen far more Ron Paul bumper stickers & signs in the heart of Reagan Country than Obama & Romney's combined.

I disagree. The reason they're so militant is because they KNOW they're of the leftist persuasion, and they strike out with great vengence against anyone who may be a real conservative. Butter and bread is a tough thing to combat.


I'm done with the bickering though. I'm ready to let the chips fall. I don't feel good about getting personal in regards to peoples motives, ideologies, and such. Most of the people here are good folk and we aint gonna change schit.

To quote Bob Dylan, "I used to care, but things have changed."

You're right on all accounts. But there are times when is fun to jest at neocons' expense, especially the type they like to serve.

I think the chips have already fallen regardless of who wins on Nov 6. And I don't like where they've landed.

Fixed it for you. miles

I guess you'd know clowns, you're bein' a huge one yerself.

You're just pissed at me 'cause I outed you as a liberal leftist. I think you ought to take all of your neocon lemmings & get inside the leftist closet where you belong.

You still here,stupid?

And Hope and Change Romney is going to make things better?

the true blue & red voters in the Red & Blue States need to vote their heart's content. the outcome of the election will depend upon their efforts.

the lesser certain ones in the red & blue states need to vote the alternative choice. it'll send an important message for the next time around. the system we have is important, but it's failing us, and we can all see it happen before our very eyes.

so vote for your candidate, knowing it's a demo or publican winner. the message will be in the background. if you're willing to send the message, then send it is my humble opinion.

i figure the incumbent is going to be a one-termer like ol jimmah. i doubt that the new President is going to make life better for very many of us, but it will represent change.

DITTOS to the effective Neocon propaganda campaign.

Would that be a noun or adjective?

Findin' that one out oughta keep your feathers rustlin' for a solid month or better.

The sad thing is, going with either red or blue is going to screw American freedom, which is an oxymoron, I believe. Maybe oxyMormom?

Hold on. I'm gunna get RISJR right on findin' out. That ought to keep his feathers rustlin' till well past next spring, maybe well till mid-summer.