I posted this on Birdie's thread, but thought it deserved it's own thread to vent my frustrations and opinions on this week's holocaust:

We lost this war and arguably the Republic because of what I call the "Four Bs", Blacks, Beaners*, Broads and Bozos.

Blacks as expected voted skin color but in reality they are only about 12% of the population and given the past history of which they keep trying to guilt us everyday, I can't really blame them. The Bell Curve principle comes to mind.

Beaners*: A term that really includes the Third World and not just south of the border types. The democraps have been of a fifty year mission of importing these dredges, and statistics show 85% of immigrants do in fact come from the Third World. Today, if you are say a German scientist, Swedish Enginner, British Doctor, etc, good luck in getting in legally. I also must exclude *MY* ethnic group, Cubans as we were a political migration of mostly whites and have SEEN the evils of socialism/marxism, Cubans vote the right way. Unfortunately that too is changing with the new generations being born and bred in Blue States. As for numbers, they make up about 14% of the nation right now and in fifty years I predict they will be a majority or close to it.

Broads: What can I say about women? Since they were first allowed the vote in Wyoming in 1868, we've been on an inexorable path to the Nanny State and statistics clearly show democraps would only have seatred one President (Johnson) in the Whitehouse without their vote. They are a HUGE block.

Bozos: We have quite a few on this forum and they sure "showed us" by the shocking statistic of 3M Repubs who stayed home. A lot of these are conspiracy, survivalist wannabee kooks, pining for Armageddon, so they can play at "Walking Dead" and other mental-masturbation he-man scenarios.


All these facts are clear evidence the makeup of this nation, that is white Anglo-Saxon Protestants (mostly Germans actually) embodied in the Protestant Work Ethic are rapidly fading into history with no hope of getting them back. This election was a watershed and to paraphrase Sir Edward Grey on the eve of WWI, "The lights are going out all over this country and we shall not see them on again in our lifetime." The way I see it is NEVER.

To those of you that voted for the marxist, or who think we should "widen our tent" and compromise our principles: FOAD.
jorge

Agreed Jorge, and the 4B's will be part of the ventilation/sanitation campaign soon enough.

Gunner

I'm glad you moved south 'bro. You'd be killing idiots if you had stayed up north.

+2

Jorge,we have no country anymore. I greive for my grandchildren.
You are correct in what you say about Cubans. Some of the best Americans I have ever personally known were those that got out with the shirts on their backs.

Jorge,
Social Security and Medicare enabled by fiat money were the start of the inexorable extinction of conservatives. ZeroCare is the final nail. Now anyone who has a realistic plan to cut the budget will be characterized as being against old people and healthcare, wanting to "take away" your entitlement.

The numbers are real. You could cut Gov't functions and military spending 100%, and entitlement spending would still be more than revenues.

ZeroCare will usher in the final European-style malaise in which white people stop reproducing and fade away.

There is no cure, only crash.

Republicans are also largely to blame for illegal immigration, with Mexicans in particular, which are the lion's share. Go back about 50 years ago, and the magnitude wasn't really significant. And, a goodly portion of those who came in were at least hardworking without an entitlement attitude, and would assimilate. But Republicans turned a blind eye to what they viewed as cheap labor for agriculture and construction. That was a big mistake, but politically expedient then. By the time anyone raised the alarm and took note, Republicans for the most part were already afraid of hispanic voter retribution, and Republicans can't outbribe a constituency better than Dems can.

You are correct the repubs also turned a blind eye to illegal immigration, but for a TOTALLY DIFFERENT reason. They were looking for cheap labor to do the things semi-skilled Americans no longer wanted to do and NEVER allow them to participate in the process. Democraps on the other hand view illegal immigration and nothing more than voter registration, with MY money.

Hey, nothing lasts forever, right?

Someday the US republic has to fall.

And just between you and me, don't you think that--especially--recently it's been cruisin' for a bruisin'?

Wouldn't it be better to let it go now while there are still some folks who have pleasant memories of it than to hang onto it grimly until it's an unmitigated atrocity that everybody hates?

Really it boils down to those with their hands out.

We now have 2 different countries which are goverened as one.

More than sad

Snake

I agree it was for a different reason, but it was a betrayal nonetheless. I disagree that Americans wouldn't do that kind of work. Growing up, I did whatever crappy job I could get to make money. Cheap labor makes for the reason why many Americans wouldn't do that work. In fact, I'd say that argument is the crutch that farmers, ranchers, construction contractors, et al and the Republicans used to justify the action.

I married two wonderful women, and one loser, hunted Tanzania when it was wild and dangerous, hunted America and Canada, dropped lures and flies into streams, lakes, and rivers around the world. I have been blessed with great friends, men and women of courage, intelligence, generosity, passion, and vision. Most of the members of my generation have lived in the greatest era, in the greatest country, to ever exist, and which will never exist again. I now find myself at the point in my life when I believe that the torch has been passed, but passed to a generation which has no idea what fire is for. They use fire to burn down cities, forests, and fields, never to illuminate, warm our national hearth, of to forge a future that will make each of us proud to play our small part. I am ready to leave this life and to meet my Lord. I pray for those who will remain behind, I have done my best to help make America the shining city on a hill. Now greed,laziness, self interest, and complete lack of ethics and morality are sucking the foundation from beneath our nation. I have no answers - pray.

Mugsy

I am awaiting my SECOND monthly Social Security check right now, and I sort of resent hearing it described as an "entitlement". I starting paying into that system when I was in high school, and continued to pay through 35 years of full-time employment. I will NEVER live long enough to collect more than a fraction of what I personally paid in. It is not an entitlement, more like a really bad investment. I could have put that money in a jar buried in the backyard and gotten a better return, BUT then the gov'ment could not have "borrowed" from it to finance all sorts of things I am not in favor of. Give me back what I've paid in, no more - I'll eat the return I could have earned had it been properly invested - , and then take my name of the "entitlement" list, OK?

I'm just not that selfish to hand this mess off to my children, then on the other hand, having been through this once already (albeit at a very young six years of age), I don't want to go through it again so I guess I am selfish as well.

Hey Barry, I have paid in to my Social Security fund for 50 + years now with the government guaranteeing me my money would be there for me. Now all of a sudden according to you its an entitlement. I PAID FOR IT!!!! How long you been paying for your entitlement?
Fought for years to get SS money put in an Individual accounts so that the guberment couldnt pilfer it to pay for other BS.
Never took any advantage for my military service in 69-72. No veteran preference in hiring, no VA beneys even though I have them, No VA loans, Nothing. I served, came home, went to work, and raised a family. All I want for my service is my flag from them when I pass, as to serve my country was a privledge. Can you say the same?
And if I look it up, I bet part of my 128.50 monthly pay went to SS too. Its not my entitlement, I [bleep] EARNED IT.

Swifty

"They call it that to lump you in with the takers...

But

We know better

Snake

GW

Yes I'm not sure what that means too

But

If it means deviding the country into it's two logical parts...

No harm no foul...

Snake

Civil War is Coming
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States.
The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. It will never happen! The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws.
Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress.
We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling
to the public.
We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. Straight into socialism if Obama has his way... We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism/Dictatorship).DON'T KEEP THIS - SEND IT OUT TO YOUR LIST

+1. I expect the libtards will be going after military "retirements" pretty soon too. I certainly don't view anything I worked for or paid into as an entitlement, but rather as something I invested in (even if involuntarily, like social security) or earned, by 20+ years of military service. Like you, if I could take back what I've put into social security, interest free, I'd take it and run with it.

Social Security might have worked had not the libtard Johnson administration (I am NOT proud that he was a Texan) put it into the general fund, which allowed our corrupt elected officials to borrow from it.

Though difficult, I try not to allow myself to get upset over what is occurring. God's word tells us this is going to happen, and I know who wins in the end...

John

No

All empires end soon or late. This empire's time is up.

Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie. November 6, 2012 will go down in history as the day individual freedom
and the American experiment died. We were warned by Jefferson and Franklin that this day would come,
when the electorate opted to vote themselves largess from the public coffers. We are now socialists.
It was one thing to vote for a cryptic message of hope and change from an unvetted pied piper of empty
promises. It's quite another for the open hands to re-elect the emperor after he has been stripped of his new
clothes and exposed as a false prophet.
The majority of the people have deserted our country and made our founding principles a footnote in our
epitaph. Who could have imagined fifty years ago that we would live to see the demise of the beacon of freedom
in this world? How far and how fast we have fallen; we have done to ourselves what no outside enemy could
accomplish. We will not survive another four years of Barack Obama. The United States of Idiocracy cannot
endure.
It's a sad statement that they who most value and cherish this once great country are now too old to fight for
it, and the young are too lazy and complacent to care about anything other than themselves.
Savor what little liberty you have left for however long you have it, and remember the country that was admired,
respected, and feared, until we threw it all away.


We have met the enemy and he is us,

You mean you began being taxed for the support of old people when you were in high school, the way I'm being taxed to support you now.

It's difficult for me to feel too horribly sorry for you when you're offended by what people call it. At least you've gotten one check out of it, and you seem to think you'll get another.

Be happy about that, not sour. I've been taxed for old people my entire working life too, and I'm never going to see a dime of it. Social Security has already been insolvent for over two years, and by the time I'm old people and ready to be supported it'll be long gone.



Why not demand back all the taxes you've ever paid? I'd support you in that, of course, but you wouldn't get very far.

When people lose the freebies and get hungry or there are too many standing in line, then people will start fighting. It started 11-6-12 and gets worse from there. Already the O leaving the country.

A few thoughts:

I work for a company that uses contactors to install pipelines. All pipeline workers have to pass a drug test. Well, just ditch diggers/helpers can't pass drug tests, so we have to hire Hispanics whow can pass drug tests. So, it is not all Republicans fault for looking the other way. Americans who have grew up on welfare are mostly drug users and can't find jobs, for real.

Now, don't give up so easily.

1) Call, write, or email your congressmen, senators, and the white house at least weekly. They will be overloaded with what we really want or don't want. I know this takes time, but the squeeking wheel gets the grease.

2) Work locally for conservative cantidates from dog catcher, city counsels, mayors, county commissioners, sheriffs, state senators and representatives, governors, congressmen and US senators. If you can't get your man elected, try to get the most conservative one elected. Obama can't do his evil deeds alone. Again this takes time, but walking down the street in your neighborhood and trying to convince your neighbors will help. It might get some registered to vote, and some over to our side.

3) Pray if you are a Christian for God to forgive us as a nation, and help us have revival in this country, and turn things around. Even if everyone doesn't become a Christian, if they live by Christian principles, things will turn around. Remember we are the salt of the earth, to season it for God, and salt is used to preserve. Christian principles are simple, don't steal, don't lie, don't commit adultry, honor (respect) your parents, treat others they way you want to be treated, take care of the truely needy and elderly, shun or rebuke those who lie, are disrespectful, and who violate these good things, make them feel guilty so they will change and do good. If you do something wrong, admit it, ask forgiveness, and change.

3) The young today are none of the above, and need these instructions. Teach the hard work ethic, teach them to save, and not get what they want on credit all the time.

Keeping freedom and the republic, takes work, diligence, sometime hard work, but it can be done. Believe.

We might also have to change things one piece at a time. We might have to legalise pot and tax it. This may be a way to save money and stress on the justice system, and deal with the really hard stuff like meth and crack.

We might have to be satisfied to outlaw partial birth abortions or late term abortions after 5 months (babies can live outside the womb after 5 months). Then work it down earlier.

We might have to give in to raising taxes on the wealthy a little, IF they will cut some of these entitlements.

We need to push for changes in the health care laws like limits on lawsuits for malpractice, allowing insurance companies to cross state lines. Then push to exempt Catholic and other Christian employers from having to pay for abortions and birth control. These can be obtained through other means right now anyways.

We need to go back to tax laws which make it cheaper to stay married than to live together. I know of a town in Alabama that 85% of their utility bills go to single women. The single woman gets help with utilities, welfare, child care, food stamps, etc. They shouldn't get all that unless they can identify the fathers of their children and pay some back in taxes somehow. Aid should always be less than minimum wage, so they will go to work.

Lots of things can be pushed for and done.

We need to fight any and all gun control. Letters, calls, emails, not just to congressman, but senators and the president. Push, push, push back.

We can't just give up and go hid in our bunkers waiting for it all to happen. But on the other hand we do need to prep for the worse, but work hard to get back to the best.

If there weren't a horde of illegals flooding the market and depressing the wages, there would be sober Americans that would do those jobs. I simply don't buy that argument because it is a given that there are Hispanics available and depressing the wages. Heck, I dug ditches for free growing up. I dug the water main ditch for our home, and it wasn't a short stretch to dig. My father once told me he'd make a deal with me ... if I dug the hole for the septic tank, he'd fill it in, LOL. I once told him, "you know, all my buddies get an allowance for doing hardly any work at all, and I work all the time for free." I was really joking, and not seriously complaining, but his reply was classic. He reached in his pocket and tossed me a quarter while laughing and said, "Here you go. Now don't ever say I didn't give you something for your trouble." We both had a good laugh at that and I never complained or felt bad for doing chores and work around the house. Of course, he walked the walk too. He could and would work from before daylight until after into his 70's.

You can talk about lazy folk and trashy folk, but there are hardworking people out there that will do a job if the pay is competitive. The illegals depress and skew the market.

An immigrant who was a career government employee bashing immigrants and government dependency.

Huh.





If the sky is falling then it was falling with Romney too. I never see so much projection in my life, as when election season rolls around and the American Right, such as it is, fills the empty vessel of their candidate with qualities he doth not possess. While painting the other guy as the Antichrist personified.

One main difference between the two is that Romnuts was bristling with the kind of military adventurism that gives Viagra-quaffing retired government employees like Jorge a case of the spins. Since that sort of bullcrap is a large part of what has put our nation in it's current hamstrung position, I'm at least glad that the president we have knows the difference between his dick and a destroyer. A small silver lining, hopefully.

And finally, as evidenced by posts on this very thread, the Entitlement Nation that we are, and have been, and will be, is virtually untouchable politically. One glance at a pie chart of the federal budget, and another glance at the demographics of the Baby Boomer population bulge, show anyone with a brain that just SS and Medicare are gonna ass-rape us, dry, with a French tickler on, for decades. You think politicians are gonna cross that voting bloc to take away benefits those folks have already "earned"?

I bet your .gov pension and benefit package exceed the average income of actual working Americans, Jorge. You, sir, are part of the problem, if the problem is indeed a large bloated federal government. Just sayin'.

His skill set exceeds the skill set of average actual working Americans. Its called supply and demand.

Damn what a [bleep] idiot you are.

He seems to forget that also I'm making a bit (quite) a bit more in the private sector than I ever did as a member of the armed forces.
Thanks for that, and this and other moronic things he's said in the past is why I probably despise this metrosexual loser more than anyone else on this forum.

PS: yes jeff,my pension is about twice the average income of the average family of four. Problem is, I'm not nor have I ever been "average". You know "average" ,a goal that's obviously eluded you throughout your (below) average life....

The idea of National pride and honorable men and women working for the common good of their families and the common good of the Nation they actually love, appears to be sadly no more.

It has been replaced with a focus on individual desire with no concern for family or a country they no longer love. If people really cared about family, they wouldn't be willingly passing burdens on to their children and their children's children. If they cared about country and what it should stand for, they wouldn't accept the idea that Socialism is good for them because of the lie it will make them equal.

As has always been the case, a lie is far easier to believe, especially when it tells you what you want to hear...

An "entitlement" is simply something you are entitled to. The Gov't promised that in exchange for your payment, they'd give you a monthly benefit. Simple right?

But everyone knew and a few would even admit, from the beginning that SS is an unsustainable Ponzi scheme.

You were lied to and your money was stolen.

Don't feel too bad, you are getting far more from it than I ever will. I will continue paying into the pyramid and never see a dime in return. That's OK with me, because I can plan on that. But you've got to understand that the gravy train is about to run out of track. The math NEVER worked. I hope you come out OK.

I'm sorry but let me remind you that jeff has yet to reach the level of idiot its a long reach up from where he's at.

Thankfully Jeff's wife has a good skill set and a good government job to keep the boat afloat!

Jorge,

I prefer to focus on the following 4 B's as the ones you listed pizz me off in that perspective




BOOBS

BUTTS

BEAVER

BEER

The Republic was gone in real terms with FDR. It's been a slide towards despotism since.

I can make the same exact statement as Swifty re never accepting any veteran's benefits I'm entitled to.That's why it turned my stomach to read all the posts awhile back encouraging a 'fire member who was obviously gaming the VA system.

I paid in the maximum amount of S.S. most years for 50 years of my life.I've been told that if my contributions had been put into a passbook account at a bank,I'd never live long enough to get MY money back.

Now y'all claim that's a lie and I'm on the dole.

Somebody was/is lying.

If I'm already on the dole,I might as well run down to the VFW and get them to get me some $$$ for my hearing loss suffered from 1960 to 1964 in the USMC.

Them kids coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq with missing limbs can just get in line behind me.

Nah...... I reckon not.I'll get by with getting back what I paid in.

And sleep good.

I remember when a Southern Democrate was Conservative, There is still a FEW.

Sad too say that Libs Rule the thinking or Lack OF, This past generation or two

H/D

YEP,Texas had the last one,Charles Stenholm.The Repubs gerrymandered him out of congress.

I understand that the train is gonna crash, but that is only because they had wiped out a 2.3 Trillion surplus by 2006. So tis neither here nor there, but heres some facts ya might like to ponder.
"
Republican National Debt: $12 Trillion and Counting


January 11, 2012. Republicans blame the "Democratic Congress" for their debt increases. The trouble is that Congress was only Democratic 8 out of the 20 years, and in those 8 years, on average, Congress passed smaller budgets than the Republican presidents requested. The specifics are all right here: It Was the Republicans.

So, let's add up the debt under Reagan and the Bushes. We can't blame Reagan for the debt's increase until his first budget took effect, October 1, 1981. Then, for 12 years until Sept. 30, 1993, the Republicans ballooned the debt. Later, George W. Bush took over.
� Under Reagan and Bush: $3.4 Trillion increase in the debt.
� Under George W. Bush: $6.1 Trillion.[1]
�Total: $9.5 Trillion. (without counting interest)

But wait, there's interest on that debt

The debt went up during Clinton's years only because of $2.2 Trillion interest on the Reagan-Bush debt. Otherwise Clinton would have paid off most the remaining WWII debt. G.W.Bush got sand-bagged by Reagan.


Just like a mortgage, the debt earns interest, and so the Reagan-Bush-I debt grew during the Clinton years. The average debt interest rate in those years was about 6.5%, which would increase it over 50% without compounding, but with compound interest the total debt � including interest � increased by $2.2 trillion.
� Total Republican debt from above: $9.5 trillion
� Interest on Reagan-Bush debt under Clinton: $2.2 trillion
� Interest on $11.7 trillion after G. W. Bush: $0.3 trillion
� (detailed calculation)
�Grand Total Reagan-Bushes Debt: $12 trillion (as of Sept. 30, 2010).

If the Republicans had not run up this $12 Trillion debt, we could easily have pulled out of the Great Recession.
"

Couldnt get the graphs to load so here is a link to the site, although I doubt anyone in here cares to read this.

http://zfacts.com/p/1195.html

Swifty

The math did work and SS would be fine and in fact it would be paying handsomley if the politicians had not stolen all of the money out of it.

The two party system is the problem the members of the parties are loyal to the party over country. Both parties are working together to keep we the people separated so they can maintain their shared power. The only way to save this once great republic is to TAKE it back from them.

The election means little. Maybe 30 percent of eligible voters cast their votes for socialism and have forced the rest of us to live without liberty. We can let it stand or refuse it and force the two parties out.

That's interesting. Have you got a link?

Even in their wildest dreams, nobody ever thought Social Security would pay more than private-sector investments.

It was sold to mostly older voters during the Depression in 1935 as a way to secure a retirement they hadn't had the foresight or means to prepare for.

Okay, fine--we all understand the propensity of folks to support government programs that promise them free stuff.

But why did the politicians push it?

Because they cared about older voters? Of course not. Politicians don't care about anything but getting and keeping power, or else they wouldn't be politicians--because everything else politicians do can be done easier and cheaper in the productive sector.

What was in the Social Security Act for politicians?

Well, there were the votes from voters who got free stuff, of course; but politicians can hand out all sorts of free stuff when they want votes. Why Social Security?

Because it would bring in buttloads and buttloads of money to the government, that's why--money that those politicians could spend on free stuff for other voters that would make them popular with those voters too.

The politicians were never planning to let the Social Security money sit around the government untouched; anybody who believed that was either too young to vote or nearly too stupid to breathe. That's simply not what politicians do. They were planning to plunder it from the very beginning. Sure, it would need to be paid back eventually or else voters would get very angry: but those were future voters, and they would be angry at future politicians, so no 1930s politicians cared.

That's one thing that's attractive about a monarchy. A monarch knows that he's going to have to deal with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life, rather than being able to shuffle them off onto some other poor shlimazl after a few years; and when he dies, those consequences will fall not on some faceless successor, but on his own son. I'm not an advocate for monarchy any more than I'm an advocate for republics, but monarchies do have that over republics.

like to hear more about this or better yet the accuracy there of ??

Good point.

I can only wish that more people in this country would have listened to those who fled Poland and other areas of eastern Europe when the gettin' was good. They have a very interesting story and it's eerily familiar. They know what's going on around here because they've already SEEN IT and LIVED IT and DON'T LIKE IT. Not only that but I knew a guy back in the '70's who fled Cuba when it was easy to flee. He told me how that sh*# starts and he was a successful businessman here and not some government dependent type.

The nation will survive (believe it or not). We survived Roosevelt, Nixon and Bush (although the economy was dented).

If you mean that you parasites were not treated like royalty by Nixon and Bush.............. I agree.