...were used inside the school durimng the shooting. The AR did remain in his car.

I'm not saying this is the end all definitive report of the facts,I'm simply informing of the news.

So the medical examiner just ball faced lied about the "rifle" wounds in the victims.

Par for the course and not a bit surprising.

Finally - one ray of sunshine that may actually help diffuse the lefties harping on 'assault rifles'..

One ray.....

+1

WTF?

That will be a game changer. Unless it's refuted.

Is there still no explanation for the first reports of "a man in camoflage pants being arrested in the woods across the street"?

I heard a state policeman who was interviewed state that the weapon left in the car was a shotgun not a rifle.

We still don't have all the info so even though I haven't actually heard the police or federal agents state that the rifle was not used it doesn't mean it wasn't. But all the info I have heard is that the rifle was the prime weapon. You'd think the coroner would be able to tell the difference.

Will

Yuo can't make this stuff up (the inconsistencies, flip flopping).

At least I'd hope not.

Paul

I can't imagine someone being so deliberately,career ending stupid. Come on,now...does one really think a medical examiner's initial report isn't reviewed and double checked?

Well, now that's peculiar.....

While you milling this over in your head, how about a musical interlude of the Spin Doctor's playing "Can't Be Wrong"

One news outlet even reported on the number of "223 casings" found in the room.

Heard nothing as to that,cur.

Will...or there were two assault rifles as you clearly see cops taking AR out of Lanza's trunk. But,this report says only 4 handguns found in school.

Don't be surprised when the poor retarded kid turns out to be a meth head either.

Look at the source of that video

revolutionactivist ... ???

I'm not buying into it. One compelling bit of evidence that I heard was from one of children that survived "The man had a little gun and a big gun" ... or something to that effect.

Any thing being reported from Obama Main Stream Media , will usually turn out to be a Manufactured Lie to support their cause and agenda and they know no one will hold them accountable when the real true surfaces , if it ever does.

Which is why I am interested to know when the newsclip was made. There was a ton of inaccurate stuff put out there in the beginning.

But I still have not seen one police officer or federal agent on camera state that the pistols were the prime weapon. And the SP I did see on camera stated that the weapon left in the car was a shotgun. Doesn't mean that even he was wrong he is just the only one I have personally seen. Others may have since stepped up and corrected that info if it was wrong.

The coroner's report should put an end to any inconsistencies. Not sure when it is due.

Will

Look close at the gun in the trunk, it's a shotgun not an AR15! If it's an AR15 that's the biggest 223 case I've ever seen come out of it, and it's green! He is also clearing it by pulling on the bolt on the right side of the gun, not on a AR style charging handle.

Obviously someone who has no clue about guns made up this video and we don't need to help spread false information.

Look at the video again of the long-arm in the trunk. It doesn't look like an AR to me.

That's Pete Williams on the news report. NBC A team.

Are you suggesting vid is a fraud,as well?

But I still have not seen one police officer or federal agent on camera state that the pistols were the prime weapon.
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Nor an AR,right?

The takers won't let the facts mess up a chosen agenda, you can bet your arse on that.

Pete Williams isn't a fraud. He is the one speaking and stating only 4 handguns were found in the school.

I can't tell what the hell it is. My eyes aren't that good! I'm trying to rerun it and figure out what it is.

Will

Thanx for posting.

Please note the video of the firearm in the trunk being cleared as if it was a 10/22 or a semi-auto shotgun........not a traditional AR-15......unless that was a LAR AR-15.

This gets stupid'r and stupid'r by the day and by the broadcast.
These "officials" aren't.

Watching the video of the policeman clearing the long gun, I see something drop clear from the bottom and the policeman working the action as if it is an AR-15 platform rifle. He is not workng the action of a pump shotgun.

Sure doesn't look like a shotgun to me. And,if it is,it's the first time it's ever been mentioned by anyone.

I understood the gun in the trunk to be a saiga style weapon. From early accounts.

Did anybody notice the graphic at the beginning of this video? It showed a Glock 26 and said that it was capable of firing 5 rounds per SECOND!!!!

WTF, over!?

Somewhat validates the fact it was a NBC reporter.

At this point that news would be CRUSHING to the left.

The vid is not a fraud. I just question when it was made.

Was this report in the early hours following the shooting when wild false rumors were being spread?

Whatever the long gun is it has a high AR type front sight. I'm not saying it is an AR, just the front sight has an AR front sight profile. All said, the truth is the first casualty of news casts.

That gun had a thumbhole stock? AR-15 with a thumbhole stock? That looked to me like one of those sagia shotguns with a dragunov stock.

Be interesting to see how long it is until some other "news organization" picks up on this.

TRH should be along with an Alex WHN report shortly.

Another thing......i see no date or time stamp on that NBC video.....when was it created?
Is this actually from this morning or from an earlier report? I went to youtube and there are 2 videos posted-each containing the same clips.
This video has been assembled....when did the ME make his report to the cameras?

Additionally, i saw a couple of days ago that the Glock recovered was a 10mm. I thought then it was odd that his mom would have bought a 9mm and a 10mm.
The recoil from a 10mm being substantially greater than a 9......unless that report was in error also.....like so much of the "facts coming out".

Just read reports...

14 minutes from the initial 911 call to the last report of gunfire, which is when the maniac shot himself.


Banning black rifles and high cap magazines is going to reduce the death tolls when it takes police 14 minutes to get into an area? Hell, I could fire a few hundred rounds with a lever action in that time frame, probably from a wheel gun also.

Well, there was Ed McGivern.

As I said on another thread, facts are such pesky things. The buggers just won't stay consistent. Even the wonderful world of science, with its "absolutes" that change from time to time as new discoveries are made, isn't immune.

Looks all wrong to be the weapon they have described. The action looks streamlined and much too small. Like some kind of a semi shotgun or something.

Wouldn't swear to anything as the clip is too blurry. But if I had to put money on it... I'd have to lean with this maybe being the shotgun the state policeman was talking about.

Will

Be interesting to see how long it is until some other "news organization" picks up on this.
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Point taken and I've been searching other sources to see if it's gaining traction or simply another example of news entities inventing their own version of the news.

Does anyone have Biden's email address? I wanna F with him and forward the vid.

Dumbphuck#[email protected]

I tried that and Reid's office kicked it back.

lolol

I don't think the left would give it a second thought. They will just keep marching on. Truth be damned.

Wouldn't swear to anything as the clip is too blurry. But if I had to put money on it I'm sticking with what I said on my 2A thread.

+2

What a world!!! What an environment of errors, lies, deception and dishonesty.

The Founding Fathers of the United States gave us a Republic, they did not know it would become the SBRA (Socialist Banana Republic of America).

It looks like a 10/22 to me.

That was no Bushmaster that was pulled out of the trunk. It was very short and had a wood stock. Like a 10/22 or maybe an SKS.

Too funny

To me, it doesn't matter. It's another red herring. What does matter to me is that a murderer who alone was responsible for murdering 26 people. How he did it is immaterial. Had he blown up the school with horsechit causing even more deaths, would the press report that he left his horse in his car?

MSM is damning guns as an agenda to ban them.

Does that "snopes outfit" have anything on the veracity of the news clip?

A little off-track, but I wanna know why the man was so careful about removing and destroying his hard drives.

Once they go after assault rifle they will go after anything tactical or military. This is just the tip of the landslide. The whole idea of the left is complete confiscation of all arms.

I tried searching too and couldn't find that exact clip but I did find another Pete Williams report where he was absolutely incorrect regarding other details. In early hours following the shooting NBC/Pete was spreading crap without verifying the accuracy of the rumors.

I have also seen the vid whereby the Police Captain stated the same thing as reported below.

AR-15 with high-capacity magazines used by Adam Lanza in Sandy Hook School shootin

Posted: 12/16/2012
Last Updated: 3 days ago
Phil Tenser



NEWTOWN, Conn. - Adam Lanza was equipped with an assault rifle and two handguns inside Sandy Hook School, Conn. State Police said. An additional weapon, a shotgun, was found in Lanza's vehicle outside the school.

Sunday was also the first official confirmation that Lanza was the shooter who killed six adults and twenty children inside the school.

According to Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance, Lanza had multiple high-capacity magazines for the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle. Those high-capacity magazines held 30 rounds each, Vance said.

Lanza also had multiple magazines for the Glock 10mm and Sig Sauer 9mm handguns.

As a result, Vance said, Lanza was armed with "hundreds of bullets."

Saturday, Connecticut medical examiner Dr. H. Wayne Carver said the 7 victims he examined had each been shot between three and eleven times. He also said he believed each victim was shot multiple times.

If the three-to-eleven shot estimate is accurate for each victim, and Lanza used only 30-round magazines, he would have used between four and ten magazines.

State Police refused to comment on precisely how many magazines were emptied or shell casings were found, but said they had collected those items for examination.

Still, the shooting ended while Lanza still had enough unused ammunition to carry out significant additional carnage.

"There was a lot of ammo, a lot of clips," State Police Lt. Paul Vance. "Certainly a lot of lives were potentially saved."

Vance said Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, but wouldn't speculate on when or why Lanza decided to end his spree.

Early in the Sunday afternoon statement, Vance also confirmed that the shooter's mother, Nancy Lanza, was the victim found at an alternate location. She was shot four times in the head and found in her bed wearing pajamas, said a state official who was not authorized to disclose details of the investigation and spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Education officials said they had found no link between Lanza's mother and the school, contrary to news reports that said she was a teacher there. Investigators said they believe Adam Lanza attended Sandy Hook many years ago, but they had no explanation for why he went there Friday.

As President Barack Obama prepared a visit and churches opened their doors to comfort a grieving town Sunday, federal agents fanned out to dozens of gun stores and shooting ranges across Connecticut, chasing leads they hoped would cast light on Lanza's life.

Among the questions: Why did his mother, a well-to-do suburban divorcee , keep a cache of high-power weapons in the house? What experience did Lanza have with those guns? And, above all, what set him on a path to go classroom-by-classroom, massacring 6- and 7-year-olds?

At St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic church in Newtown, Jennifer Waters, who at 6 is the same age as many of the victims and attends a different school, came to Mass on Sunday in Newtown with a lot of questions.

"The little children � are they with the angels?" she asked her mother while fiddling with a small plastic figurine on a pew near the back of the church. "Are they going to live with the angels?"

Her mother, Joan, 45, assured her they were, then put a finger to her daughter's lips, urging her to be quiet.

An overflow crowd of more than 800 people attended the 9 a.m. service at the church, where eight children will be buried later this week. The gunman, Adam Lanza, and his mother also attended church here. Spokesman Brian Wallace said the diocese has yet to be asked to provide funerals for either.

Boxes of tissues were placed strategically in each pew and on each window sill. The altar was adorned with bouquets, one shaped as a broken heart, with a zigzag of red carnations cutting through the white ones.

In his homily, the Rev. Jerald Doyle, the diocesan administrator, tried to answer the question of how parishioners could find joy in the holiday season with so much sorrow surrounding them.

"You won't remember what I say, and it will become unimportant," he said. "But you will really hear deep down that word that will finally and ultimately bring peace and joy. That is the word by which we live. That is the word by which we hope. That is the word by which we love."

Go to you Tube and make the video full size and you can clearly see that it's not an AR. It's some gun with a right side charging handle and I believe I can see a large green shell coming out of it when the officer rakes the action. Looks like a semi-auto 12 gauge of some type.

Once Democrats have made as much political hay as they can off misinformation, and the general public stops paying attention to updates on this case.

Yep. Snopes is reporting that the murderer left his X Box in his car.

This is inconsistent and fishy,

- if there were 4 hand guns found in the school,

Why were we told 2 ?

- if the long rifle was left in the car, as seen on the video showing its retrieval
- if only handguns were found in the school
- and if "all the wounds were made with a long gun", as stated by the medical examiner on this video

Then who shot the kids? Who shot Adam Lanza ? Other people with long guns?

Are we the victims of another "trick" like Operation Fast-and-Furious ???

Nothing could surprise me anymore...

That's had my attention for a while too, Pat...

If someone was skilled at splicing stuff together, there's no shortage of raw material to make up a "news video" to report anything you want it to claim.

I'm not saying that's the case here, and I'm glad Bob posted it, but it doesn't smell all that fresh.

Guess it's possible he took a bushmaster inside and another rifle was left in the trunk.

My gut tells me William's broadcast is yet another example of reckless reporting.

Because his mother most likely had the weapons locked in a safe and deviant nut job most likely put a hidden web cam facing the safe, so that he could learn the combo. He probably wanted to wipe the video.

I recommend that those who know how to do it hotlink the newsclip to their representatives AND their Senators regardless of party affiliations. That way they can be justly accused of supporting a baldfaced LIE if they choose to follow the fools path. That would be a nice public skinning.

My gut's bigger than yours and is in complete agreement.

Very true.

Still, why?

He knew he wasn't coming back from this. He knew he would be dead soon, so why bother hiding anything? What would it matter to him that anybody found out how he learned the combo?

I still don't get what he was trying to hide and why....

It may not matter though, I guess, as crazy is as crazy does...

That's not an AR they're checking in the trunk.Not at all.

Why is the alleged number of guns the murderer had important? What is important is that a murderer murdered 26 people and he alone was responsible for his crimes, not the guns he used.

If the murderer had murdered 26 people with a machete, the press would have reported that the murderer used to shoot guns.

Looks like a shotgun with a pistol grip to be honest, like a turkey or tactical shotgun.

I do like how Barnie Fife acts like he's never touched a shotgun before. And this was their "expert", one assumes.

Lanza was withdrawn and secretive. Those two things go hand in hand and bottom line he wanted to cover up his past. That's the motive for doing it but it remains to be seen what exactly he wanted to hide. It wouldn't have to be something sinister but just embarrassing.

Maybe he was into gay porn?

If you turn the sound up all the way at the 1:32 mark, someone says "it looks like an assault weapon, right?"

Many people are perfectly satisfied to let a found Mauser morph into a Mannlicher-Carcano when it better suits the official version of the event; I suppose the same process could be applied here.

The Bolded would be my guess.

It's possible that Simple Jack hadn't already planned his suicide. I think most people, even whacked nut jobs would have trouble going through with something like this, if they were 100% sure they were dying. Even a dysfunctional nut job like this punk, probably recognized the gravity of his actions as the adrenaline started to wear off.

I assume the audio is from the helo?

To reporters, anything with a pistol grip and black is an "assault weapon".

could be he just didn't comprehend the idea of death the way that normal people do. Hard to find any reasoning in a mental nut case.

Agree.

Whack jobs and paranoia are usually not too far from each other. Would be a natural action for a sneaky little nut job.

Weapons recovered at the scene......as described by Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance in this video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20751617

Rest assured the press will not dwell on the facts if they ever do surface. Even in this instance, their negative bias will still be focused on black rifles.

In today's world there's truly a race to report and few if any bother to verify their supposed facts. Errors, retractions, or apologies will most likely never show up, and if they do they'll be in fine print somewhere on page 12. Had a child come running out of the school screaming that the world was flat it would have made the headlines.

On 9-11 there were initial reports of 20 or 30,000 deaths/injuries. Even from my west coast view, I did not think that possible. Yes, the buildings might have had that capacity, but the masses did not stay at their desks on the lower floors as the events unfolded.

I think any 9 year old from one of our hunter ed classes could have done a walk through and correctly quantified the type of arm, it's action, and it's location there in Ct.

Also, I was curious at that first reporting on how a medical examiner would know from a cursory look at bodies that a rife was responsible. Such knowledge would have required some retained slugs at least.

The press will interview anyone and everyone and blindly accept and publish everything said. There are too many agencies involved, and each is dispersing it's own version. In about a week I would hope that someone will winnow through the garbage and present the facts. One could write a book on all the misrepresentations kicked out. It would indeed be nice if folks could be held accountable for their reporting errors.

The number of guns is not important. The type of gun is not important to the victims.

The type of gun will dictate the actions the left will try to implement.

But surely you knew that, so I'm wondering why you made your comment.

If this all turns out to be true then we have a medical examiner who hates AR style rifles and does'nt want to waste a crisis.

So you guys are convinced that this actually is the AR?

I'm not.

Will

OK. I found the original NBC news report by Pete Williams. It's from the morning of the shooting and it's not a new revelation.

The YouTube video is BS.

Here's the link.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/reports-lanza-attempted-to-buy-rifle-days-before-shooting-was-denied/

Yeah,I saw that,a REAL old hand at handling guns.Did you hear the faint voice in the background saying,"Thats an assault rifle,isn't it?"

And now that the govt. has coerced the media into stating it was an assault rifle that did all the killing, and got the masses all up in arms, so to speak,they know full well John Q. Public wont seek or sort facts well, and we can now also concentrate on controlling those nasty semi-auto handguns...
[bleep]...why am I not surprised...?

Lt. Vance said it was a shotgun. Not sure why that's so hard to digest.

Or the fact that he also stated the 3 weapons recovered inside the school were a Bushmaster, a Glock, and a Sig Sauer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20751617

guys.....facts don't matter to this administration.........

at the very first press conference the local PD Chief, announced that they found an AR IN THE CAR... and then the liberal media has been calling it the weapon being used ever since...

opportunists using a tragedy to instantaneously promote their never ending anti firearm agenda....

"support crime, ban firearms for all law abiding citizens" is exactly their mission..

No,you're right,they're not going to let facts interfere with the making up of a good story.

I got wrapped up in this and in reflection to me it doesn't matter what weapons were used. If every firearm was confiscated the root of our society's problem would still be there. I don't know what the fix is but we need a real fix. I know what my fix is. Prayer. YMMV

Yep but we all know they never over look using victims any crisis is as good as another. Exploit the victims and forget about the route cause because its all about the agenda.

With all due respect to Bob.. when the video says MSNBC you should just stop watching immediately. Even if it's not a doctored video, they get their facts right so rarely that one should wait for an authoritative source.

3 weapons inside the school were 2 pistols and Bushmaster, shotgun recovered from car.

Everything else is just FUD from the internet.

Thread over.

Wow............a ray of sunshine?

Multiple murders.......and the type of weapon used is that big an inconvenience for you?

Quite the perspective.....

Just my observation: There were two pistols and a Bushmaster found in the school plus a shotgun found in the trunk, and some people here still haven't read the entire thread.

Grandview,it is much more accurate and appropriate to be harshly cynical of a lot of "official" and "news" accounts while being devastated by the murders. We cannot change the ugly fact of the murders. We can however bring some chance of change to all of the wild speculation by the media and some "official" sources.

Perhaps because the left is using this tragedy to further their agenda. So hoping the facts don't fit what the left have been pushing as the narrative, is somehow immoral?

Perhaps you should concern yourself more with the 24/7 media/Democrat politicians "let's turn this into a political opportunity" dog and pony show....

Exactly. NBC was spreading false rumors ... google it. I did and they were talking out their azz that morning.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about Lanza using the Bushmaster. He copied James Holmes and went into the school with a a semi-auto rifle, a vest full of 30 round clips, a couple of extra handguns and committed mass murder.

The leading post in this thread was certainly a video of "wild speculation from the media".

The video I included was from the Connecticut State Police. The law enforcement entity investigating the shooting.

Which do you wish to hang your hat on "some chance of change"?

I WAS a Cop and I never paid much attention to the first blurbs from any PIO.

I think it makes no difference this time,the guns crazy Adam Lanza used.

We will all pay a price for this nut case actions,he should have been committed years ago,and I blame his Mother also for being in denial,that she gave birth to nut and did nothing about it.

I fear times are gonna change for us gunman,Obama now has the momentum he was wishing for.

That wasn't an AR in the trunk. At least not one I'm familiar with.

I have thought about this since I watched it live....

How does a M.E. stutter and stammer about the gun that was used when he performed the autopsy? I would think that he would know at least caliber and stutter not have to long gun.

Dink

Wood thumbhole stock, side slide and you can see a large shell ejected and drop into the trunk. Shotgun. But it doesn't matter. Those guns were all legally purchased and registered by the person he brutally killed and stole them from.

Fair enough.

In your opinion from their press release in the video......after 50+ hours, and finally releasing identification of the shooter and cause of death being suicide..........what are the chances they misidentified the weapons recovered at the scene?