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I can understand why people are going crazy buying .223 loads, but .22LR stuff? What am I missing? Is there a bounty on squirrels?
The same reason dopers across the country buy up the cocaine when the news says that some Julio with a dashboard full gets busted at the boarder.
Originally Posted by Sakoluvr
I can understand why people are going crazy buying .223 loads, but .22LR stuff? What am I missing? Is there a bounty on squirrels?


Do people not watch the news? Besides the normal idiots trying to pass another AWB you have other politicans out there saying we can pass laws to restrict the shipping of ammo, restrict the amount of ammo that can be bought at a given time, make background checks mandatory for ammo.

All this adds up. It may or may not happen but never underestimate the stupidity of congress.

A bill was introduced in CT yesterday that would ban posession of all firearms other than a single shot....
It can be used extensively for small game hunting without generating a lot of noise and is non reloadable. A lot of folks figure if they outlaw some guns that they can still use their .22's without getting caught due to the low noise signature.

This happened prior to Clinton's proposed ammo ban/tax and again when Obama came into office. Everyone worried that by executive order they were going to tax the hell out of ammo and so folks stockpiled the .22 ammo too. I'll admit to buying about 20 bricks back under Clinton. Still have most of it. Now I am just happy I did cause it was $10 a brick back then. Now, around here its $25 a brick for the cheap stuff.
People afraid of their government as they should be.

FWIW anyone these days that doesn't buy 22 at least a box at a time is nuts. And keep a spare box handy. By box i mean case, of 5000. Buy 5000 for spare and then buy how many you shoot in a year and you'll be much better off.
I hate to bust anybody's bubble. But there may come a time when the 22 long rifle is the best guerrilla weapon available. You think not? When was the last time that you tryed to pack around 3000 rounds of any other ammunition In your backpack.

Take care, Willie
Well it looks like I missed the boat on this one.
It's nuts around here... The great thing about having a odd ball chambering is that you might actually can find ammo now.

22lr
223 rem
12 ga shotgun

All gone!!!
People buy a chitton of it because they can. It's relatively cheap, and you can put a pallet of it on your credit card. Same with primers. Not many people need 10s of thousands of primers. But you can sure wipe out a dealer's shelf for a couple hundred bucks.

After the last debacle there were scum that would buy it by the truckload from stores here in town, then scalp it at the gunshows. Gopher season rolled around and try buying some .22s to take your kid out. Stores finally started limiting buyers to how many they could buy at a time, that helped out considerably.
The Communist Squirrels and Rabbits are pushing to have the 22 stuff banned, so buy it while you can get it.
Originally Posted by wdenike
I hate to bust anybody's bubble. But there may come a time when the 22 long rifle is the best guerrilla weapon available. You think not? When was the last time that you tryed to pack around 3000 rounds of any other ammunition In your backpack.
You're not wrong.. Almost anyone can carry 4-5 bricks of .22 in a backpack - and a .22 rifle or handgun can be very accurate, relatively quiet and still do serious damage..
I try to keep at least 2 or 3 thousand rounds on hand.
Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by wdenike
I hate to bust anybody's bubble. But there may come a time when the 22 long rifle is the best guerrilla weapon available. You think not? When was the last time that you tryed to pack around 3000 rounds of any other ammunition In your backpack.
You're not wrong.. Almost anyone can carry 4-5 bricks of .22 in a backpack - and a .22 rifle or handgun can be very accurate, relatively quiet and still do serious damage..


Thats also been a LARGE contention of mine about panic buying of say 10,000 rounds of 223... if it gets bad you'll probably need to move... if not, buying components can allow you to reload as needed, but how would you carry that much?

22 is one of your very best friends.

Truth be told if you had to move, you'd want some type of larger handgun and rifle and shotgun, but not that much ammo. A couple of 22 pistols and a take down rifle, and a good can for the above, you could get a lot of food etc.... quietly too.
Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by wdenike
I hate to bust anybody's bubble. But there may come a time when the 22 long rifle is the best guerrilla weapon available. You think not? When was the last time that you tryed to pack around 3000 rounds of any other ammunition In your backpack.
You're not wrong.. Almost anyone can carry 4-5 bricks of .22 in a backpack - and a .22 rifle or handgun can be very accurate, relatively quiet and still do serious damage..



wink wink wink And some of us are not of the spray and pray mentality!!!!
you got that right , one shot one kill
.22LR = alot of bang for the buck........
Well lets just say that if 10 million shooters just buys two bricks of 22 LR, most stores would be out of stock in a few hours. its like if every car in America topped off the tank even day, there would be no gas to pump. People are buying ammo as fast as they can make it. And you are correct a 22 LR in a rifle or handgun is your best friend. You carry a lot of rounds vs 223 30-06 308 or 12 or 20 ga.
I carry one of my Colt Woodsman and 50 rounds of ammo quiet often when hunting and it can't be done comfortably with anything much bigger
I always maintain several thousand rounds of .22 lr in case of shortages.
Let me take five other good men with accurate 22 rifles. And if the chit was ugly. In a very short period of time. We would be driving a tank. Enough said.

Take care, Willie
Originally Posted by Sakoluvr
I can understand why people are going crazy buying .223 loads, but .22LR stuff? What am I missing? Is there a bounty on squirrels?


I have over 30K stashed away, and am still buying. I am not the only one!!!
Originally Posted by wdenike
I hate to bust anybody's bubble. But there may come a time when the 22 long rifle is the best guerrilla weapon available. You think not? When was the last time that you tryed to pack around 3000 rounds of any other ammunition In your backpack.

Take care, Willie


22lr was used by some deep recon type forces (SOG) in Nam. It was not the el cheap stuff, but 22LR none the less. A head shot at 25 yards was easy, effective, and simple to suppress. And as noted, it does not weigh much.

Don't as for a link to my info. Read this years ago in a real live book on the subject, way before Al Gore invented the interwebs.
I tend to buy a case a year. With small game, plinking and silhouette matches and practice that's about right with a couple bricks left over. I try and buy at the end of the season so next seasons case arrived in Oct.

I'm lucky that my Cooper and the CZ's all like the same round so I can buy just once.

With this buying I'll likely start looking in the summer vice the fall to see if I can find it.
Really shows you the ignorance of Obama, Biden, Fienstien,and the likes. What ever happened to keeping one's big mouth shut and having people wonder whether you have any brains???

Take care, Willie
I have half a brick left on my dresser... I can not find anything in any store. If I do find a store carrying 22lr ammo it is grossly over priced.

I only see 22 WMR and 17 HMR on the shelfs.
Originally Posted by wdenike
Really shows you the ignorance of Obama, Biden, Fienstien,and the likes. What ever happened to keeping one's big mouth shut and having people wonder whether you have any brains???

Take care, Willie







No body knows how much ammo or how many guns I have.
I was at Sportsman Warehouse yesterday and they had at least a 1/2 pallet of 22lR and about 15 pallets of shottgun ammo set out.

I was looking for 2400 powder though and they had none.
Originally Posted by Gun_Geezer
Originally Posted by wdenike
I hate to bust anybody's bubble. But there may come a time when the 22 long rifle is the best guerrilla weapon available. You think not? When was the last time that you tryed to pack around 3000 rounds of any other ammunition In your backpack.

Take care, Willie


22lr was used by some deep recon type forces (SOG) in Nam. It was not the el cheap stuff, but 22LR none the less. A head shot at 25 yards was easy, effective, and simple to suppress. And as noted, it does not weigh much.

Don't as for a link to my info. Read this years ago in a real live book on the subject, way before Al Gore invented the interwebs.





Thank you for your service gun geezer. Obama and his crew don't believe that there is anybody in the civilian world that has a special ops mentality. And I might add, that when anyone on the left thanks our servicemen. It is like them receiving an enema. As they really do not like you fighting for your country. It was like when Obama gave the speech about bin Laden being killed. Just the look on his face. You could tell it was like he was getting an enema, as he would've much rather saw him tried in a court over here in the United States like he was a citizen. And then the nerve to say what a hard choice it was to make the decision. Get real, he had two choices. To do what needed to be done, or have another cover-up and try and make believe they didn't know he was there. And if you think he was going to take a chance of something like that leaking out. And give up being the top dog in the free world. We are all delusional.


Take care, Willie

Originally Posted by Sakoluvr
I can understand why people are going crazy buying .223 loads, but .22LR stuff? What am I missing? Is there a bounty on squirrels?


All common calibers of guns and ammo have been flying off the shelves since December 19th.

I personally don't own any guns or ammo but, if I did I'd have 8K rounds of .22LR packed away.
Don't talk too loud about .22's for protection, next thing you know a 10/22 will be on the assault rifle list.
Originally Posted by centershot
Don't talk too loud about .22's for protection, next thing you know a 10/22 will be on the assault rifle list.




I don't think anybody gets it. IT'S not the weapon that is the problam!!!


Take care, Willie
Originally Posted by wdenike
I hate to bust anybody's bubble. But there may come a time when the 22 long rifle is the best guerrilla weapon available. You think not? When was the last time that you tryed to pack around 3000 rounds of any other ammunition In your backpack.

Take care, Willie
Yep and the Marlin Mod 60 tube fed can lay down much firepower,I have two of them my Grandkids have four one eatch.
When you can't anything else to shoot people grab .22 as well. Lots of people own .22 conversion kits or a .22 upper for an AR as well. So when everything else disappears and gets expensive people just move down to something else.
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After the last debacle there were scum that would buy it by the truckload from stores here in town, then scalp it at the gunshows.


According to the folks on the classifieds, this is a good thing. It is not price gouging, it is just good old boys making a living. mad miles
Because the gun manufacturers have learned a lot from the oil companies. Wait for things to cool down and watch for a sale. Anyone who has got caught with their pants down and is nearly out probably never plans ahead in their life.
Originally Posted by milespatton
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After the last debacle there were scum that would buy it by the truckload from stores here in town, then scalp it at the gunshows.


According to the folks on the classifieds, this is a good thing. It is not price gouging, it is just good old boys making a living. mad miles


The way I see it, if it stuff you already had in hand, i.e. a pile of mags or a stash of .22's or whatever, sell it for whatever the hell you want. Free Market and all that. But when you have retailers keeping their prices down so that guys can afford to get a couple bricks of .22's or a couple mags, then schitheads take advantage of that by buying them up and reselling them at inflated prices that's a different story. It basically schiting on the store that's treating it's customers right. No different than using a LE or other discount to buy a gun, then tripping it at retail to make a buck.

My $.02
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
. . .I have over 30K stashed away, and am still buying. I am not the only one!!!



This! wink
Originally Posted by Sakoluvr
I can understand why people are going crazy buying .223 loads, but .22LR stuff? What am I missing? Is there a bounty on squirrels?


I saw a guy buy every box of 500 and 550 that Walmart had.
Because all you have to do is whisper "shortage" to create one.

Folks that ordinarily buy one brick or bulk pack at a time figure it's now or never and they all start buying 5 or 10.
Buying up 22's not only for your own use, but with just about everybody having a 22 around the house they can trade or sell 22 shells for about anything, gas, food, clothing, etc. if things get super bad
Sakoluvr: Take some friendly advice and forget WHY the ammo is hard to find and accept the fact that it is - then just buy enough (or have on hand enough!) 22 ammunition to protect yourself and your family for the rest of your life.
Better safe than sorry.
And I would not describe folks who are buying up and storing up
22 ammo as being crazy - far from it!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
simple - .22 ammo is cheap, almost everyone has one, and many fear the gvnt. will ban guns and/or ammo.
Yep, complacency is ignorance and justly managed.
When Obama causes the country to collapse 22lr will be the new currency.
Originally Posted by ConradCA
When Obama causes the country to collapse 22lr will be the new currency.


Yep. People will be dumping & throwing away AR because there's no ammo for them.
Originally Posted by Plinker
Originally Posted by ConradCA
When Obama causes the country to collapse 22lr will be the new currency.


Yep. People will be dumping & throwing away AR because there's no ammo for them.


Really your view just doesn't come into play for a very long time for someone that looks ahead and plans.
Originally Posted by ConradCA
When Obama causes the country to collapse 22lr will be the new currency.


Hell I hope so. I might end up much richer in the long run.
wait till people wake up to the fact that a LOT of smokeless powder, most 7x62x39 ammo, a LOT of brass casings, and so on are made oversead, ALL subject to import/export controls and see how that flies in the very near future. Come to think of it, a LOT of .22lr ammo is made in mexico.
Originally Posted by Plinker
Originally Posted by ConradCA
When Obama causes the country to collapse 22lr will be the new currency.


Yep. People will be dumping & throwing away AR because there's no ammo for them.


Better off if you bought a flintlock. Make your own powder, find your own flints. just stock pile some lead.
Originally Posted by BrentD
Originally Posted by Plinker
Originally Posted by ConradCA
When Obama causes the country to collapse 22lr will be the new currency.


Yep. People will be dumping & throwing away AR because there's no ammo for them.


Better off if you bought a flintlock. Make your own powder, find your own flints. just stock pile some lead.


Already done, now what?

I also put a "Night Arrow 4" on my .22 LR T/C target barrel. I really like the ELEY subsonic hollow point at 1024 fps. The Lapua scoremax at 1033 fps was ok, but mine have round noses. Those ELEY hollow points are the cat's meoww. I bought the scope to put on my .22 Hornet and for coyote and fox night-hunting. But they made coyote night-hunting illegal, so only fox is left. Right now, I'm trying it on the rimfire for some feral cats. The various CBs are ok (but usually dirty), the CCIs at 700 fps , the CCi quiet 22, and the Aguila sniper subsonic are all great, but I like the heavy (60 gr) bullet of the Aguila rounds. Anyway, it never hurts to have low-light capacity, and plenty of ammo. Buy the best. I figure that when you really need that cartridge, cost don't mean jack.

Bill
Well, then you don't need an AR smile smile smile
The threat of a $0.05/bullet tax is enough to start hoarding 22LR....
I do find it funny as schit that there is still gobs of 40 S&W around. Last time Obama wanted everyone to buy guns it was the same. Must be a liberal cartridge or something....
Originally Posted by BrentD
Originally Posted by Plinker
Originally Posted by ConradCA
When Obama causes the country to collapse 22lr will be the new currency.


Yep. People will be dumping & throwing away AR because there's no ammo for them.


Better off if you bought a flintlock. Make your own powder, find your own flints. just stock pile some lead.


have 3. Don't work so well during a heavy rain.
Good thing you aren't a pioneer - you'd have starved
Originally Posted by BrentD
Well, then you don't need an AR smile smile smile


I don't "need" asswipe. I choose to use it. laugh
So you choose. You just agreed with me and that seems to piss you off. Connect the dots $100.
just think how distorted thinking is if they think that 22's will be outlawed..
Originally Posted by BrentD
So you choose. You just agreed with me and that seems to piss you off. Connect the dots $100.


Whah? Must be the homebrew. You shoulda seen the journey I made from 45-120 to 38-55 to 50-110 to 32-20 to 45-70. Now that sort of pissed me off. I could have saved a lot of time.
Sorry, no homebrew, store brew or EtOH of any sort.

Been down much of that road and some other related side roads as well. Have 3 45.70s now. Not sure the point, however.
Only met a couple critters a .22 most likely wouldn't kill without Devine intervention. People aren't on the short list.
Originally Posted by BrentD
Sorry, no homebrew, store brew or EtOH of any sort.



No man, Me! smile Its an amber ale.
When I was a kid I saw my uncle shoot a cow with a 22lr pistol. Stunned it the first shot, dropped it the second. First gun I ever bought was a Remington 597 22lr.
A .22 will zip right thru a bullet proof vest very nicely.
'Picked up a box of LR and a box of shorts last night at my WM. They're out of the 50 rnd. boxes of cheap stuff, but have 100 rnd. and larger boxes in stock yet.
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