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Marxist/socialist pap from this pos liberal:

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com...s-your-kids-belong-to-whole-communities/


These people are insane...


From the article:

"We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we�ve always had kind of a private notion of children: Your kid is yours, and totally your responsibility. We haven�t had a very collective notion of �these are our children.� So part of is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."


Geezus..
We'll see then what the "community" thinks of paying for the food bill for my kids, baseball and gymnastics, gas for the explorer, and the friggin day care.

[bleep] em.
Was this Hitlers comment back then also? ED K
they are coming for your children.

and that bitch is a Tulane professor....constantly appearing on MSNBC to spout the totalitarian line
They'll take my daughter when they pry her from my cold dead hands....

That is assuming she doesn't shoot back as well.
No way in hell do my children belong to the whole community. My wife and are raising our two children in the manner we see fit, not in the way that has caused the roots of this nations problems. I hope that there are communities in this nation that could raise a child to be a good productive citizen, but in good ole CT I fear we would just end up with more progressive liberal drags on society if the kids belonged to the community.
Sarah Palin ✔ @SarahPalinUSA
Apparently MSNBC doesn't think your children belong to you. Unflippingbelievable. http://youtu.be/Oa9temz_Cxw
5:38 AM - 07 Apr 13


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The latest MSNBC �Lean Forward� spot featuring Melissa Harris-Perry is a collection of tired progressive clich�s on steroids that harken back to the Clinton era. It really outdoes all previous �Lean Forward� ads.
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Earlier in her career, during a more gentle time, she was less open to the collective dictating household decisions on things like reproductive health and marriage arrangements. It appears now that Harris-Perry has come around to fully believing that, yes, only good things can come through collective action even when they intrude on private household decisions like child rearing.
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This broader collective theme of child rearing she has should be roundly rejected by all sane people. Pooling community resources together to educate our children, even if it is done by force, is one thing but suggesting that we need to dissolve the traditional bonds between parent and child for the good of the greater collective is off the charts crazy

Nothing new here from the liberals. Hillary was there a long time ago with It Takes a Village.
Here's a nice rebuttal to that BEOTCH:

http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w321.html

Nationalizing Children
by William Norman Grigg

We must remove the children from the crude influence of their families. We must take them over and, to speak frankly, nationalize them. �

~ Instructions given at a congress of Soviet educators in 1918 (cited in Separating School & State: How to Liberate America�s Families, by Sheldon Richman, pg. xv).

[The Soviet family] is an organic part of Soviet society. Parents are not without authority � but this authority is only a reflection of social authority�. In our country he alone is a man of worth whose needs and desires are the needs and desires of a collectivist�. Our family offers rich soil for the cultivation of such collectivism. �

Soviet family theorist Anton S. Makarenko, The Collective Family, A Handbook for Russian Parents, pgs xi-xii, 42.

If we want to talk about equality of opportunity for children, then the fact that children are raised in families means there�s no equality�. In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them. �

Dr. Mary Jo Bane, Assistant Secretary of Administration for Children and Families at the US Department of Health and Human Services, 1993-1996; currently Thornton Bradshaw Professor of Public Police and Management, Harvard Kennedy School; quoted in �The Family: It�s Surviving and Healthy� by Dolores Barclay, Tulsa World, August 21, 1977.


Whenever a progressive refers to �investments,� he or she is referring to confiscation of private wealth.
Whenever a progressive invokes the �community,� that term refers to a state-engineered collective in which the individual has no rights.


Whenever a collectivist refers to �public education,� that phrase is shorthand for the process of destroying a child�s developing sense of self-ownership and indoctrinating them in the notion that they are the property of the �community.� This process is also known as �socialization,� which is the indefinable value-added element that supposedly makes �public education� superior to homeschooling.

Whenever an advocate of �public education� refers to �our children,� conscientious parents should take a quick inventory of their arsenals.

Melissa Harris-Perry, a slogan-spewing news reader for the Stalinist media outlet called MSNBC, ran the table of these collectivist nostrums in a recent installment in the network�s �Lean Forward� ad campaign. The �Lean Forward� spots feature various MSNBC luminaries holding forth like Communist Party functionary exhorting the cadres at a �struggle session� in the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

Harris-Perry is a collectivist of such passionate conviction that she regards opposition to Obama's radical centralization of power to be a species of sedition. She considers private firearms to be a pestilence, but embraces a vision of social engineering that would require a great amount of gun-related violence by state functionaries.

Although � or perhaps because � Harris-Perry is a credentialed academic, she has the odd and annoying habit, so common among adolescents, of ending every statement with a vocal inflection that suggests a question. In her "Lean Forward" ad, she uncorked this specimen of unfiltered collectivist cant:

�We have never invested as much in public education, because we�ve always had a sort of private notion of children � your kid is yours, and totally your responsibility. We haven�t had a very collective notion of, �These are our children.� So part of it is that we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it�s everybody�s responsibility, and not just the household�s, then we start making better investments.�




Harris-Perry�s disdain for parental authority is wedded to a denial of the idea that the individual child has a right to self-ownership. During an MSNBC discussion about a North Dakota law that would ban abortion after six weeks, she used the expression �this thing� to refer to the developing fetus and warned that �if this turns into a person, there are economic consequences.�

It�s important to understand that Harris-Perry�s commitment to legalized abortion doesn�t grow out of a misapplied commitment to individual liberty, but rather her devotion to the collective management of the human population. It�s akin to the view expressed in the early 1970s by then-Rutgers professor Ruth Bader Ginsburg that the Roe v. Wade ruling was a product of �concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations we don�t want too many of.�

Belief that the unborn human child has a right to be protected against lethal aggression, according to Harris-Perry, is a �faith claim � not associated with science.� However one views that moral proposition, the humanity of the developing individual is an incontestable scientific fact. The existence of the invisible, intangible abstraction called the �state� is based entirely on faith claims that Harris-Perry is willing to impose through coercion.

In an essay she wrote for The Nation magazine three years ago � then, as now, she wore her surname fashionably parted in the middle, but in a slightly different style � Harris-Perry described how she catechizes her unfortunate students in the gospel of the Almighty State:

"I often begin my political science courses with a brief introduction to the idea of �the state.' The state is the entity that has a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence, force, and coercion. If an individual travels to another country and kills its citizens, we call it terrorism. If the state does it, we call it war. If a man kills his neighbor it is murder; if the state does it it is the death penalty. If an individual takes his neighbor's money, it is theft; if the state does it, it is taxation."


In addition to instructing other people�s children in the fear and admonition of the Divine State, Harris-Perry is eager to see its heretical enemies put to the torch.

"The Tea Party is a challenge to the legitimacy of the U.S. state," Harris-Perry insisted. "When Tea Party participants charge the current administration with various forms of totalitarianism, they are arguing that the government has no right to levy taxes or make policy. Many GOP elected officials offered nearly secessionist rhetoric from the floor of the Congress [during the debate over nationalizing health care]. They joined as co-conspirators with the Tea Party protesters by arguing that this government has no monopoly on legitimacy."

The overt act that made that impious �conspiracy� a prosecutable crime, according to Harris-Perry, was an anti-Obamacare protest in which Tea Party activists heckled Georgia Rep. John Lewis. As an elected official, Lewis is not merely a human being, according to Harris-Perry, but an �embodiment of the state� � or, to use appropriate creedal language, al living image of the invisible deity.

"When protesters spit on and scream at duly elected representatives of the United States government it is more than an act of racism," snarled Harris-Perry, making a de rigueur � and entirely gratuitous � reference to Lewis's ethnic background. "It is an act of sedition."

String up the barbed wire, sharpen the guillotine, ready the basement cells of the Lubyanka: There are "seditionists" to be dealt with!

Like many others of her ideological persuasion, Harris-Perry is a stranger to concision. In describing the totalitarian state�s proprietary claim on children, someone who represented a slightly different strain of collectivism � albeit not as different as Harris-Perry would insist � stated the matter much more tidily almost exactly eighty years ago:

�When an opponent declares, �I will not come over to your side,� I calmly say: �Your child belongs to us already�. What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in this new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.�

Those words were spoken on November 6, 1933 by the community-organizing, civilian-disarming, socialized medicine-promoting, government stimulus-peddling, unitary executive who presided over Germany�s National Socialist government. When Harris-Perry and her comrades demand that we "Lean Forward," that's the direction they have in mind.

Originally Posted by Redneck



These people are insane...



No...if they keep it up they will be dead, people will not stand for interference with their family group, we are funny that way.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by Redneck



These people are insane...



No...if they keep it up they will be dead, people will not stand for interference with their family group, we are funny that way.


No. They know exactly what they are doing. Its been going on for at least 30 years. Only this beech came right out and said it. That tells me they are feel pretty confident that they are succeeding. You public schools are little hotbeds of socialist ideology. Far too many parents have no idea what passes for public education.
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kids belong to whole communities



Thats pretty funny coming from the abortion crowd grin
I think I might, my wife works at the local high school.

I see the majority of the problem as originating from tertiary education teaching staff who have taken the basic tenets of education and turned them into a political tool.


I understand why teachers are in the first lot to go under the wheels when the stuff hits the fan.
The scary thing is that these leftist bastards are starting to actually say what their intentions are out-loud.

Either they are getting stupider, or they think that they are close enough that it doesn't matter.
It take a commie village to raise your children.


Why do they risk public exposure when they have had the schools for a century?
Originally Posted by watch4bear
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kids belong to whole communities



Thats pretty funny coming from the abortion crowd grin


Unviable tissue mass that came to full term. Now we gotta turn 'em into commies.
Originally Posted by goalie
The scary thing is that these leftist bastards are starting to actually say what their intentions are out-loud.

Either they are getting stupider, or they think that they are close enough that it doesn't matter.


Just like I said above. They have become so bold that now they are stating it as "policy". These young commies, now teachers, professors and policy makers were the first generation to be turned into socialists. Now they are: paying it back!
little ni**er kids maybe cause no one knows who dad is
[bleep] that stupid bitch, this kind of BS and everybody worrying about being so 'politically correct' is a cancer that's killing the greatest nation in the history of the world.

I aint PC and i wont see this nation die.

Gunner
These people are very dangerous.

Didnt' Hillary write "It takes a villiage"?
Originally Posted by ldholton
little ni**er kids maybe cause no one knows who dad is


That's the very definition of 'Mass Confusion' ID, Fathers day in harlem.

Gunner
Originally Posted by Gun_Geezer
These people are very dangerous.

Didnt' Hillary write "It takes a villiage"?


Her or that fat pig soapoprah winfrey.


Gunner
Originally Posted by gunner500
[bleep] that stupid bitch, this kind of BS and everybody worrying about being so 'politically correct' is a cancer that's killing the greatest nation in the history of the world.

I aint PC and i wont see this nation die.

Gunner


You and me both.
RAH-JAH that Brutha.

Gunner
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Didnt' Hillary write "It takes a villiage"?



Hillary's done lots of things


1- James McDougal � Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr�s investigation.
2 � Mary Mahoney � A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public w:th her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 � Vince Foster � Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock�s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 � Ron Brown � Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown�s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 � C. Victor Raiser, II � Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 � Paul Tulley � Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a �dear friend and trusted advisor�.
7 � Ed Willey � Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 � Jerry Parks � Head of Clinton�s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park�s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 � James Bunch � Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a �Black Book� of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 � James Wilson � Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 � Kathy Ferguson � Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 � Bill Shelton � Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 � Gandy Baugh � Attorney for Clinton�s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 � Florence Martin � Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 � Suzanne Coleman � Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 � Paula Grober � Clinton�s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 � Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating MenaAirport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 � Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at MenaAirport with Casolaro and the 1980 �October Surprise� was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his WashingtonDC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 � Jon Parnell Walker � Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20 � Barbara Wise � Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 � Charles Meissner � Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 � Dr. Stanley Heard � Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton �s advisory council personally treated Clinton�s mother, stepfather and brother.
23 � Barry Seal � Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 � Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. � Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 � Stanley Huggins � Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 � Hershell Friday � Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.
Consider the inner city black kids who have no idea who their father is and mom is a welfare queen. Those kids have no parents at all and many are adopted by a gang. I detest the idea of the government trying to decide what's best for my kids, but something has to be done for this other group. What is it? I have not the slightest idea.
Welfare check, food stamp, and chemical sterilization all in the same damn office, you come for one handout, you'll get all three.

Gunner
Originally Posted by gunner500
Welfare check, food stamp, and chemical sterilization all in the same damn office, you come for one handout, you'll get all three.

Gunner


Amen and +1 on that!!!
Never forget - humans don't belong to anyone else - the failure to recognize that truth is the fundemental Tyrany.
Originally Posted by siskiyous6
Never forget - humans don't belong to anyone else - the failure to recognize that truth is the fundemental Tyrany.


Correct...but my family belongs with me.
Her parents must be ashamed.
Excellent - but did it get any air time?
Sarah Palin ✔ @SarahPalinUSA


Dear MSNBC, if our kids belong to you, do your kids belong to us too? If so, can we take them hunting after church in our big pickup truck?

9:34 PM - 09 Apr 13
HA!
I am too dumb to post pictures but it looked like a good foot of new white stuff in Wasilla.

Sarah Palin
This photo is from THIS MORNING in Wasilla! Tons of new snow. Tons. My sister Molly took this photo of her grill and emailed me: �Looks like I took the grill out of the shed too early again this spring!� Is it any wonder the family is excited to go to Arizona this week for Willow�s graduation as she embarks on a new career as a small business owner? And in honor of Willow�s accomplishment we wanted to do something charitable. So, we�ll join Gov. Brewer for the �Hope & A Future�s Strikeout Child Abuse Walk� in Phoenix on Saturday at 3pm.
Lets see:

1) I don't have time for MY kids, I need to work to pay for my Lexus. I will leave MY kid at daycare 10 hours a day.

2) It's the school's job to educate MY kids.

3) I don't make enough money to feed MY kid, the school needs to provide MY kid breakfast and lunch free of charge.

4) School can kiss my ass if they try to discipline MY kids. No one tells MY kids what they can and can't do but me.

5) MY kid is in the 10th grade and can only read at a 6th grade level. What is wrong with schools, they haven't done enough for MY kid.


These are MY kids and they don't belong to the community.

Pretty funny, ain't it.
It would be funny if it weren't so damn true...

Personal responsibility? What's that!?
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Lets see:

1) I don't have time for MY kids, I need to work to pay for my Lexus. I will leave MY kid at daycare 10 hours a day.

2) It's the school's job to educate MY kids.

3) I don't make enough money to feed MY kid, the school needs to provide MY kid breakfast and lunch free of charge.

4) School can kiss my ass if they try to discipline MY kids. No one tells MY kids what they can and can't do but me.

5) MY kid is in the 10th grade and can only read at a 6th grade level. What is wrong with schools, they haven't done enough for MY kid.


These are MY kids and they don't belong to the community.

Pretty funny, ain't it.


Incorrect.

I took local work three hundred yards from where I live so that I would be home with MY kid, My kid comes to the shop and spends time with me each afternoon, and my wife works at the school so if MY kid plays up or backchats, My kid will get what for, if the teachers feel the need to discipline MY kid then they shall do so with my blessing.

MY kid has never...not once needed or required such from any teacher as MY kid is well behaved, courtious and studious and works for every cent MY kid gets...both at the shop and at home.

You must be thinking of YOUR kid.
Tell my kid hey!


Missed the point again, surprising not.
Come back to me when you can converse in something that resembles English.
Or don't bother, as you have been weighed, you have been measured..and you have been found wanting.

Goodbye.
Third world countries are funny.
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And you are stupid.
You've never been one to grasp a point and you take things far to personal. I'm guessing the wife ain't the only one in the house that sits to pee.
Has anyone here looked up and read the mission/goals/statements of the National Education Association? Scary stuff that...

It permeates the whole of the US, like a cancer frown
Originally Posted by bearhuntr
Has anyone here looked up and read the mission/goals/statements of the National Education Association? Scary stuff that... It permeates the whole of the US, like a cancer frown
Correct! Big union outcome for our schools.

JSTUART, I understood what Steelhead was trying to illuminate � worthwhile.

Try this: OUR kids were home schooled by MY wife and me for a time sufficient to prepare them for relative success in the public schools. OUR kids then benefited from what good those schools did have to offer because OUR kids received ongoing coaching from OUR home. OUR kids were extremely well nourished in OUR home, were extremely well behaved in school as a result of standards learned in OUR home, and were welcomed into OUR home immediately after school each day by MY wife, who then contributed even more to their daily learning and nourishment.

Possibly more important, OUR kids would speak up and stand up to public school teachers and principals who misspoke, who tried to propagandize, who were lazy, who misused school time and resources or who attempted to abuse their privileges as public employees. OUR kids did speak and stand up to them � many, many times. Consequently, WE were provided some fine opportunities, as parents, to discuss professional principles and learning theory with some would-be educators who, interestingly, had already heard the schoolroom version of same from OUR kids.

A lot of the above was not easy, but it worked well to the advantage of the child � still does. It looks as though OUR kids are raising THEIR kids the same way. Hard work, there - ongoing
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Consider the inner city black kids who have no idea who their father is and mom is a welfare queen. Those kids have no parents at all and many are adopted by a gang. I detest the idea of the government trying to decide what's best for my kids, but something has to be done for this other group. What is it? I have not the slightest idea.


Out of all the responses this comes closest to addressing MHP's mindset in making the statement she did.

It wasn't children in general but the inner city kids who have no parental guidance. They're disadvantaged and need the help of govt, the community, and society at large to succeed.

It's all about getting more whether it's money, food, babysitting, education, guidance, integrity ... anything and everything that parents should provide but don't. It's the socialist mindset and desire for a nanny state ... literally.
MHP's new ad that came out today further explains what I mentioned. It's society's obligation to provide for those that can't provide for themselves.

She's an ignorant socialist POS that can't conceptualize personal and parental responsibility.
Originally Posted by fish head
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Consider the inner city black kids who have no idea who their father is and mom is a welfare queen. Those kids have no parents at all and many are adopted by a gang. I detest the idea of the government trying to decide what's best for my kids, but something has to be done for this other group. What is it? I have not the slightest idea.


Out of all the responses this comes closest to addressing MHP's mindset in making the statement she did.

It wasn't children in general but the inner city kids who have no parental guidance. They're disadvantaged and need the help of govt, the community, and society at large to succeed.

It's all about getting more whether it's money, food, babysitting, education, guidance, integrity ... anything and everything that parents should provide but don't. It's the socialist mindset and desire for a nanny state ... literally.


I understand the reasoning behind what they are postulating...my problem is that given an inch they will take a mile.

It is what Government departments do...and you can bet your bottom dollar that any group that finds a way to control others will be integrated into some Government department.

Less interference I get, the happier I am.
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