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The commies are really fired up over there...so much for glaznost..

Lets try this link.

http://www.altheadlines.com/russia-...llar-and-start-dumping-us-debt-13254571/

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Russia threatens to collapse US economy




Now this I believe, a joint plan between putin and bammy.
Well, it is a house of cards.
Not sure how Russia having zero dependency on America equates to collapsing our economy...?
A one world communist government. A new world order.
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Moscow (AFP) - Russia could reduce to zero its economic dependency on the United States if Washington agreed sanctions against Moscow over Ukraine, a Kremlin aide said on Tuesday, warning that the American financial system faced a "crash" if this happened.

"We would find a way not just to reduce our dependency on the United States to zero but to emerge from those sanctions with great benefits for ourselves," said Kremlin economic aide Sergei Glazyev.

He told the RIA Novosti news agency Russia could stop using dollars for international transactions and create its own payment system using its "wonderful trade and economic relations with our partners in the East and South."

Russian firms and banks would also not return loans from American financial institutions, he said.

"An attempt to announce sanctions would end in a crash for the financial system of the United States, which would cause the end of the domination of the United States in the global financial system," he added.

He said that economic sanctions imposed by the European Union would be a "catastrophe" for Europe, saying that Russia could halt gas supplies "which would be beneficial for the Americans" and give the Russian economy a useful "impulse".

Glazyev has long been seen as among the most hawkish of the advisors to President Vladimir Putin but many observers have seen his hand in the apparent radicalisation of policy on Ukraine since the overthrow of president Viktor Yanukovych

Economists have long mocked his apocalyptic and confrontational vision of global economics but also expressed concern that he appears to have grown in authority in recent months.

A high ranking Kremlin source told RIA Novosti that Glazyev was speaking in the capacity of an "academic" and his personal opinion did not reflect the official Kremlin policy.

Glazyev descrived the new Ukrainian authorities as "illegitimate and Russophobic", saying some members of the government were on lists of "terrorist organisations, they are criminals".

"If the authorities remain criminal then I think the people of Ukraine will get rid of them soon," he added
The Cold War has heated back up. Russia was just biding time.

I wonder what Bush thinks about his buddy Putin now? confused

Putin will accomplish without a shot what Hitler tried by blowing up Europe. The average European is a far left socialist, and they hate "the American way" of capitalism. Nato is dead, and Putin knows that full well. Europe wants Russian energy...needs Russian energy, and they want to see the USA on its knees.

Better get used to these incursions by Russia and eventually by China. There are no consequences. smirk

We have borrowed ourselves into a corner; we're weak and irresolute; our large body of population won't fight for anything but Black Friday electronics and parking places; and, our leftist media exists as an organ of the money-lender/merchant/Zionists.

Feel the draft from behind? Yep, it's open. smirk
Totally agree L2S. China is next.
Taiwan owns more of our debt then Russia does.

Unless you believe Taiwan can collapse the US economy you must realize this story is complete bunk.

With a 4 month extension of QE we could buy all the bond the Russians have to sell. The Russians would take a hit on the hard currency value in the process, and then what are they going to do with the money? Buy Euros?? Give the money to the other party they are mad at and take ANOTHER hit on the hard currency value as the push up the price of the Euro Bonds and The Euro exchange rate?
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
The commies are really fired up over there...so much for glaznost..

Lets try this link.

http://www.altheadlines.com/russia-...llar-and-start-dumping-us-debt-13254571/



Just as I figured. Zero and Putin are in cahoots to destroy us. smile
Originally Posted by luv2safari
The Cold War has heated back up. Russia was just biding time.

I wonder what Bush thinks about his buddy Putin now? confused

Putin will accomplish without a shot what Hitler tried by blowing up Europe. The average European is a far left socialist, and they hate "the American way" of capitalism. Nato is dead, and Putin knows that full well. Europe wants Russian energy...needs Russian energy, and they want to see the USA on its knees.

Better get used to these incursions by Russia and eventually by China. There are no consequences. smirk

We have borrowed ourselves into a corner; we're weak and irresolute; our large body of population won't fight for anything but Black Friday electronics and parking places; and, our leftist media exists as an organ of the money-lender/merchant/Zionists.

Feel the draft from behind? Yep, it's open. smirk


And who is China going to invade??
The sky is falling! Doom! Gloom!
My comments were not directly an answer to the collapse in the manner described but to the actual threat in a bigger sense. Several countries can sink us economically if they choose. We don't have Europe as a friend, and we're standing on thin ice.

Borrowing for votes and no stomach for energy independence might sink us. Emasculating our military has eliminated much of our clout. The Western Alliance has decayed into a one-Europe socialism.

We're more vulnerable than we were prior to WWII, and Russia-China know it.
L2S, I just have to disagree.

Prior to WWII we had what, 4, maybe 5 carriers? Due to the Washington Naval Treaties our navy was at no more then a 7:5 ratio to any other country. Our military was NOT the most technically advanced in the world. The Japanese had superior planes, the Germans had superior tanks, and arguably superior planes as well.

In 1938, the Army Air Corps possessed 21k personal, and the entire Army was only 161k strong.

By comparison the German Luftwaffe totaled over 300,000 personal.

To suggest our current relative strength now is weaker then on the eve of WWII is just not an accurate reflection of history.
You need to remember the human factor. Back then we were a unified nation with people of values. We're becoming a conglomeration of diverse selfish interests now. I recognize we were isolationists then, but we lifted our nation out of the ashes of Pearl Harbor and became a fierce animal.

After 911 we gave taxpayer money to family victims of the World Trade Center and thought we had done something significant. smirk

We might be stronger on paper than before WWII, but we won't have the allies we had after 12/07/1941. Our enemies know this.

However, your point is well taken. wink
In Feb 1991 we neutralized the worlds 4th largest military in 30 days without instituting a draft.

As for WWII allies, do you mean France who lasted for all of 6 weeks against the Germans? Poland did even worse, lasting all of 2 weeks, and the Ukraine tried to join the Germans until they realized they were just as bad, if not worse than Stalin.

Maybe Neville Chamberlain who wasn't replaced by Churchill until days before the German invasion of France in May of 1940?

You can't mean Japan or Italy.

By these great allies, are you referring to the Chinese Nationalist fighting against Japan, or STALIN the Russian Communist fighting against Germany, who was actually allied with German until Hitler attacked them during the June of 1941...

So help me, what Great pre-dawn WWII allies are you referring to??
There are a few islands that japan has right now that China wants back. Japan took over these islands during WWII. If nothing is done with Russia, China will be taking back these islands within the end of this year. Just watch. No one fears the US anymore. That was what Obama wanted with his CHANGE.
Glazyev is a known IDIOT in global financial circles.

You fellows are taking his comments FAR to seriously.

GTC
I don't profess to know a lot about international politics and I'm not as old and wise as most here. But, I'm old enough to remember the Cold War. My thoughts can be summed up by two observations in my lifetime.

1. Eight years of peace through strength under Reagan and a year later the Berlin Wall came down.

2. Eight years of peace through appeasement under Clinton and a year later the Twin Towers came down.

Bb
I respect Putin way more than I respect Obama... Obama is a Liar/traitor.. Putin seems true to his "Roots"..
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
In Feb 1991 we neutralized the worlds 4th largest military in 30 days without instituting a draft.

As for WWII allies, do you mean France who lasted for all of 6 weeks against the Germans? Poland did even worse, lasting all of 2 weeks, and the Ukraine tried to join the Germans until they realized they were just as bad, if not worse than Stalin.

Maybe Neville Chamberlain who wasn't replaced by Churchill until days before the German invasion of France in May of 1940?

You can't mean Japan or Italy.

By these great allies, are you referring to the Chinese Nationalist fighting against Japan, or STALIN the Russian Communist fighting against Germany, who was actually allied with German until Hitler attacked them during the June of 1941...

So help me, what Great pre-dawn WWII allies are you referring to??


My point is just that! We won't even have the anemic allies we had at the outset of WWII.

You seem to need to argue, so have at it.
Trying to take credit for something that has already happened.
Originally Posted by watch4bear
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Russia threatens to collapse US economy




Now this I believe, a joint plan between putin and bammy.


Barry has already done it.............
One only has to look back a few years, and consider what Bin Laden did to our economy with three jets loaded with fuel. (I know there were four, but the passengers negated any effect of the fourth.)

I never could have believed that the loss of three thousand lives, two buildings, and a little hole in the side of the Pentagon could crash the largest economy in the world.

But then I was unaware that our entire economy was a thousand ton boulder perched on the tip of a pin waiting for an errant breeze to tip it over.

Is it really in a much healthier state today than it was then?
The economy actually peaked in March of 2000, and the dot.com bubble had already burst before 9/11. 9/11 was just he period exclamation point at the end of the sentence.
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
In Feb 1991 we neutralized the worlds 4th largest military in 30 days without instituting a draft.

As for WWII allies, do you mean France who lasted for all of 6 weeks against the Germans? Poland did even worse, lasting all of 2 weeks, and the Ukraine tried to join the Germans until they realized they were just as bad, if not worse than Stalin.

Maybe Neville Chamberlain who wasn't replaced by Churchill until days before the German invasion of France in May of 1940?

You can't mean Japan or Italy.

By these great allies, are you referring to the Chinese Nationalist fighting against Japan, or STALIN the Russian Communist fighting against Germany, who was actually allied with German until Hitler attacked them during the June of 1941...

So help me, what Great pre-dawn WWII allies are you referring to??


My point is just that! We won't even have the anemic allies we had at the outset of WWII.

You seem to need to argue, so have at it.




There is no need for him to argue, He's freakin right. And you can add to the list of fugg ups. The lack of ship yards, No steel mills, an administration bound and determined to cripple the coal industry, and no manufacturing in the country. And in an emergency if we needed to fill these kind of jobs. We would have to put a gun to 50% of the people to force them to work. Because they have figured it is easier to vote for a living than to have to work. All this bought to you courtesy of the no good son of a bitch OBMMER and many just like him. I could go on and on but I'm thinking ya got my drift!! Maybe the azzholes think the can get the [bleep] for ships, tanks, and other miscellaneous [bleep] from China. I am sure China, North Korea, and Iran will fight amonst them selves to help us out with the deal in Russia. LMAO


Take care, Willie
Did he use his shoe to emphasis his points?

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Last week the US produced 1.861 Million tons of raw steel.

At he height of WWII we were producing 1.7 Million tons per week.

Are you sure there aren't any steel mills in this country??

Where is the USS Gerald R Ford being constructed??

Please name another country in the World that can construct an Aircraft Carrier equal to one of ours.
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
The commies are really fired up over there...so much for glaznost..

Lets try this link.

http://www.altheadlines.com/russia-...llar-and-start-dumping-us-debt-13254571/


Theres always an opposing view.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-hidden-debts-of-russia-and-ukraine-2014-3
Your right! We are ready to rock and roll!! whistle And if the SHTF, maybe we can just call time out so we can get a few more cruisers, and destroyers up and ready. whistle


Take care, Willie
He's talking about removing the U.S. Dollar as the world reserve currency and killing the petrodollar

That would really hurt the bankers.

But since other countries would not have to manufacture and sell to the U.S. in order to obtain U.S. Dollars I wonder what that would do to our job market.
Thats what you get when you dont have anything to back the dollar and a POS, weasle for president.
Originally Posted by wdenike
Your right! We are ready to rock and roll!! whistle And if the SHTF, maybe we can just call time out so we can get a few more cruisers, and destroyers up and ready. whistle

Take care, Willie


How many Carriers has China built?


Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by wdenike
Your right! We are ready to rock and roll!! whistle And if the SHTF, maybe we can just call time out so we can get a few more cruisers, and destroyers up and ready. whistle

Take care, Willie


How many Carriers has China built?




1 or 2 working on a new one and re+re one they bought for scrap.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Last week the US produced 1.861 Million tons of raw steel.

At he height of WWII we were producing 1.7 Million tons per week.

Are you sure there aren't any steel mills in this country??

Where is the USS Gerald R Ford being constructed??

Please name another country in the World that can construct an Aircraft Carrier equal to one of ours.


Bravo,

......way to many folks running around with their hair on fire.

The majority suffering from lack of skills in differentiation.

Is it chit, or bean dip confused ?

GTC
Originally Posted by norm99
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by wdenike
Your right! We are ready to rock and roll!! whistle And if the SHTF, maybe we can just call time out so we can get a few more cruisers, and destroyers up and ready. whistle

Take care, Willie


How many Carriers has China built?




1 or 2 working on a new one and re+re one they bought for scrap.


Norm,....

go read Janes.

Get a handle on what these Chinese "carriers" represent,....outside of third world propaganda ops.

GTC
Originally Posted by wdenike
Your right! We are ready to rock and roll!! whistle And if the SHTF, maybe we can just call time out so we can get a few more cruisers, and destroyers up and ready. whistle


Take care, Willie


Breath deep,...calm down a little bit.

Turn off Alex Jones for a week.

GTC
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by wdenike
Your right! We are ready to rock and roll!! whistle And if the SHTF, maybe we can just call time out so we can get a few more cruisers, and destroyers up and ready. whistle

Take care, Willie


How many Carriers has China built?




They're trying real hard to turn a piece of scrap into a carrier. It'll no doubt rival the Langley. grin crazy
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They're trying real hard to turn a piece of scrap into a carrier. It'll no doubt rival the Langley.


I would not marginalize the THREAT that China represents.

Neither would I paint them as Armageddon Incorporated.

Their carriers may garner third world cred.

.....next ?

GTC
It seems odd to me that I have more faith in your country than your fellow countrymen have.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
It seems odd to me that I have more faith in your country than your fellow countrymen have.


I can't help ya' with that.

Apparently,"Defeatism Chic" is some kinda' new fashion statement.

Looks to be popular in a neighborhood I'm unfamiliar with.

"Land of Puzzzzies" should be posted at their frontier eek .

Damned embarrassing behavior, wherever it is they hail from.

GTC
Originally Posted by JSTUART
It seems odd to me that I have more faith in your country than your fellow countrymen have.


Sadly many of us see the greatest threat to our country is not from external enemies, but from our government. The actions from external enemies and our governments inability to deal with those threats only reinforces and confirms those concerns.
Thanks for straitening me out guys. Guess you all are ok with the towel heads wearing their beards in the military, the rainbow brigade, and the morons gutting the budget. Not to mention that a large percentage of the population wouldn't fight to get a piece fried chicken if they were starving. They would try to figure a way to get it free


Take care, Willie
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Last week the US produced 1.861 Million tons of raw steel.

At he height of WWII we were producing 1.7 Million tons per week.

Are you sure there aren't any steel mills in this country??

Where is the USS Gerald R Ford being constructed??

Please name another country in the World that can construct an Aircraft Carrier equal to one of ours.


In 1940 we had a population of 123 Million now it is 953 million. In WWII we had over 700 aircraft carriers.

But military production is the opposite of a vibrant economy.
I'm not following siski, population of 953 million what???



It would seem to me our military is both large, powerful and experienced enough to give pause to either Russia or China deciding they want a piece of that action. Neither of those countries are ruled by madmen or idiots.


where our Achilles heal lies is economically, lope sniper makes a good point that the FED could just print more US$$ to absorb whatever the Russkies might want to liquidate, but the real danger lies imo, as to what other countries might do if they see Russia dumping US$ denominated debt.

if Russia dumping US$ caused other countries to try and liquidate as well rather than be last man standing, that could be problematic indeed.


what's the FED gonna do buy all our issued debt? Then you'd see just how strong the US$ really is or is not.


I'd like to think other countries wouldn't follow suit by liquidating our debt, but really what's it backed by? The full faith and credit of the US Gov't that hasn't been able to balance a checkbook for the last 40 some odd years, sans some accounting tricks in the 90's?


Our military is in pretty good order from my perspective. Our finances, not so much.


Originally Posted by JSTUART
It seems odd to me that I have more faith in your country than your fellow countrymen have.


I do believe most of that has to do with frustration with the current administration and lazy azz m'fers that don't wanna work.

Some things just gotta stop, unfortunately it takes time and that is very frustrating.
Originally Posted by siskiyous6


In 1940 we had a population of 123 Million now it is 953 million....


Must be counting the undocumented workers.
Not so sure most of your comments are supported by facts. However, our current administration & many Republicans have done a remarkably good job of plunging our country into debt that is simply not sustainable. We don't need the Russians to destroy our economy. Our politician's have already accomplished that.
Nothing fixes an economy like a global war.
Isn't this whole tread based on an opinion piece?
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in WWII we had over 700 aircraft carriers.


700 aircraft carriers?
Old History site says.
During the war twenty-two U.S. Navy fleet carriers (CVs) and nine small aircaft carriers (CVLs) served in World War II. Eight ships were built before the war started and the rest were built during the war. (Most of the carriers were named after American battles and famous former Navy ships.)
Just FYI
Sorry 313 million and 151 carriers - not sure why I typed those numbers, long day yesterday. The lower carrier figures dont count escort carrieres only fleet carriers.

the total number of ships carrying an aircraft of some type in the US fleet was in the 700's.
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
The commies are really fired up over there...so much for glaznost..

Lets try this link.

http://www.altheadlines.com/russia-...llar-and-start-dumping-us-debt-13254571/



If Putin wants to collapse the dollar, he better get busy cause Bammy has already got a big head start.
The collapse of the dollar and the dollar not being the petro dollar any longer may be the best thing that could happen to the U.S. It's going to collapse eventually anyway. The can cannot be kicked down the road forever. It's going to be painful no matter how or when it happens and we all know it will happen.

If we cannot continue to consume their products they will be in much worse shape than we will. U.S. has the workforce to rebuild our manufacturing base, it has the energy resources, and it has sufficient technology. The best thing that can happen is that America produces and consumes it's own production again. We certainly have enough consumption potential and anyone that wants to survive will have to work instead of getting a handout. Sure you will be working for what amounts to be the same as what people get paid for the crap we buy from overseas. No more shipping scrap and getting back worthless junk at a high price.

IMO we need to pull our horns in and rebuild ourselves from within and quit worry about who is going to buy our debt. I hope they do quit buying our debt. Build in America and buy American. If other countries want our production fine but it wouldn't be essential in the short run.

America has poor leadership and poor policy. We need to get people back to work making us strong. The collapse of the dollar is the only way to get our country back and the sooner it happens the sooner it can get back to fixing what needs to be fixed.
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