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Posted By: FlaRick I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Rand Paul for President in 2016. Don't agree with all of Paul's positions but he is the best hope this country has.

http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-new-hampshire-023735557.html

MANCHESTER, N.H. � There�s an obnoxious game that politicians play around the halfway point between presidential elections. They dangle the possibility of making their own White House run with a wink and a nudge � not to mention a steady diet of airplane pretzels � as they zip between early primary states like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. Then they brush aside political reporters who ask them if they�re considering a presidential bid, quizzing them as to why they�re always so obsessed with politics.

�What I�m doing is very simply thanking and encouraging grassroots activists,� Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz said innocently in Manchester Saturday when asked if he was testing the presidential waters during a weekend swing through New Hampshire. While there, he met with state party officials and spoke at a conference of conservative activists.

Cruz may very well choose not run for president in 2016, but let�s get real. The guy�s not test-driving New Hampshire for a joy ride. Those Live Free or Die tires are feeling the swift kick of a pair of black Texas-made ostrich-skin boots.

Not to pick on Cruz. His finely tuned answer is the descendent of a long line of genially vague quotes from aspiring presidents who�ve said the same sort of thing over the years. But Cruz's answer contrasts sharply with the way Rand Paul, the junior Republican senator from Kentucky and son of failed three-time presidential contender Ron Paul, is approaching his own possible run. �I�m seriously considering it,� Paul regularly tells anyone who asks. Aides who work for him are equally up front about his goal in private. His travel schedule, which regularly includes stops in Des Moines and Manchester, suggest that he�s working toward a White House run.


In New Hampshire right now, it is a period of calm before the storm. Party activists here from both major political parties are focused intently on winning the midterm elections this November, although they don�t mind a little titillating presidential foreplay in the duller moments. Potential presidential candidates aren�t yet intensively locking down field reps, although they are window shopping with the intent to buy when the time is right. Two aides to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Matt Mowers and Colin Reed, recently started working in New Hampshire politics � Mowers as the executive director of the state party and Reed as an aide to Republican U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown. In Iowa, Paul recently picked up the state's Republican Party chairman, A.J. Spiker, to work for his PAC. It was a coming home of sorts for Spiker, who co-chaired former congressman Ron Paul's presidential campaign in Iowa in 2012.

For now, Sen. Paul�s focus is on expanding the appeal of his party, which has had branding problems of late, particularly among single women, minorities and young voters. He has taken a cue from his father, an unimposing little man in his 70s with a baffling knack for attracting university arenas full of students, by speaking at colleges across the country. In the wake of revelations of the federal government�s domestic spying program, he sees a unique opportunity for Republicans to reach young people who don�t want the feds snooping on their iPhones.

�It�s an area where we can connect with people who haven�t been connecting. Obama won the youth vote 3 to 1, but he�s losing them now,� Paul told a gathering of New Hampshire Republicans in Dover on Friday. �Hillary Clinton�s as bad or worse on all of these issues. It�s a way we can transform and make the party bigger and win again. But we have to be as proud of the Fourth Amendment as much as we are the Second Amendment.�

Other Republicans seem to be taking notice. On Saturday in Manchester at the New Hampshire Freedom Summit, a conference for conservative activists hosted by Citizens United and Americans for Prosperity where Paul, Cruz, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and several other well-known Republicans spoke, most speakers devoted sections of their remarks to the National Security Agency�s spying program.

While Paul strives to reach young voters, his travels have taken him to historically black colleges, where he has spoken out against the ongoing federal drug war and imprisoning of millions of young black men for nonviolent crimes. It is through this message, Paul says, that Republicans can find an opening with a constituency that has largely voted as a bloc for Democrats since the civil rights era. Some of this push is also reactive: Paul has previously come under fire for making controversial comments about the Civil Rights Act, and Democrats think he is extremely vulnerable on racial issues. But that doesn't mean Paul's views are insincere or will have no impact on GOP thinking longer-term.

�I truly do care about the injustice and what it�s done to voting,� Paul told me when we met Friday at a pizza place in downtown Manchester. �Everyone�s talking about voter ID. Voter ID is one-one thousandths of the problem compared to felony disenfranchisement. I think there�s 150,000 people in Kentucky who can�t vote because of a felony conviction. Probably half or more are black.�

A number of high-profile Republicans have begun to explore Paul�s ideas about prison reform, albeit cautiously. In the Senate, Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn and Utah Sen. Mike Lee have teamed up with Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin on a bill to reduce minimum sentencing requirements. In the states, Republican governors around the country, particularly outgoing Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, are re-examining their own state laws on how the government handles drug cases.

Changing or reforming these laws, of course, won�t transform the GOP into a less white and less old party overnight, but it does give Republicans something to talk about with new constituencies.

And Paul isn�t just interested in growing the party by wooing people of color. He wants the party to move beyond calls for ideological purity, even if it means giving party blessings to members who stray from the official platform.

When asked by a reporter on Friday in Dover about Republicans who support same-sex marriage, Paul replied: �I think the party�s a big party and can include people with a variety of opinions. I think that in some ways we need to agree to disagree on some of these issues, in the sense that the party needs to be bigger, we need to understand that people have somewhat of regional attitudes towards the issues. � I think there�s an arrogance to having an absolute litmus test.�

Paul's call for openness reflects a growing understanding that the party will need to present itself differently if it hopes to win at the national level again. Huckabee, a Southern Baptist conservative who opposes allowing same-sex couples to marry and who recently questioned President Barack Obama�s commitment to faith because the president changed his views on the matter, also called for more ideological room within the party when asked similar question in Manchester on Saturday.

�There�s room in the party for people to have different viewpoints, there always has. I don�t know why we would suddenly have this moment where we would start acting as if there�s only a few viewpoints that are valid,� Huckabee said. �As far as in the general election, I think it�s nonsense that people would vote against someone because of an issue that a president would probably not have a lot of input on anyway.�

So what does all of this have to do with Paul�s presidential ambitions? Plenty. Paul is steadily working to carve an important niche among Republicans as a voice in the ongoing effort to remake the party at the national level. To win a general election, presidential candidates need to appeal to broad swaths of voters � not just hardcore conservatives � and Paul, who on many issues is a hardcore conservative, is crafting a plan that he thinks will do just that.

And yet Paul�s most skeptical audience may well be inside the Republican Party itself. Much of what he emphasizes is new territory for members of a party who have long embraced the mantle of being �tough on crime.� The party has also celebrated surveillance measures enacted under President George W. Bush that some members now decry as overreach when carried out under Obama.

Conservatives who embrace the party�s traditionally robust foreign policy stance have severe reservations about Paul's quest for executive power and views that the U.S. should play a more limited role abroad. Republican donors who gathered last month at the Republican Jewish Coalition in Las Vegas, Nev., expressed concern over Paul�s rise, telling Time magazine that they may have to undertake concerted efforts to undermine his political ambitions over such positions as cutting off all U.S. aid to Israel and other countries. Republican mega donor and casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, Time reported, is considering spending massive sums to keep Paul from becoming the GOP nominee.

In response, Paul insists that those concerned about his foreign policy views just need more time to hear him out. Paul plans to discuss these issues with Adelson himself in the future, he said.

�When he gets to know me, he�ll like me too,� Paul told me.

I asked Paul about the time Christie called his foreign policy �dangerous� and when former U.S. ambassador to the U.N John Bolton described Republicans like Paul as �unfit to serve.� (Both men, particularly Christie, harbor presidential ambitions of their own.)

�The people who are saying that are the dangerous people,� Paul said. �The people who wake up at night thinking of which new country they want to bomb, which new country they want to be involved in, they don�t like restraint. They don�t like reluctance to go to war. They really wouldn�t like Ronald Reagan if they read anything he wrote or were introduced to it.�

So it goes, and so it will go with greater intensity the closer these aspiring politicians get to presidential primary season. In these intervening years, party members will snipe and engage in acts of friendly fire as they skirmish over the soul of the Republican Party. All that will come to an end once Democrats choose their own nominee, at which time Republicans will, for a brief period of months in 2016, suddenly agree on everything until the second week of November.
Posted By: Redneck Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
If the final GOP choices are Christie or Bush, I'm also gonna be an RP voter..
Posted By: eyeball Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Well, him or Cruz.
Posted By: rost495 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Can't believe folks making a choice this early. And once again giving the win to the other side by stubborness. I"m about as stubborn as they come, but I sure don't want to vote for someone that doesn't have a chance.

Way to early to make such decisions.
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by eyeball
Well, him or Cruz.
Cruz is slightly in front of Paul for me right now, but he or Cruz would get my vote.
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by rost495
Can't believe folks making a choice this early. And once again giving the win to the other side by stubborness. I"m about as stubborn as they come, but I sure don't want to vote for someone that doesn't have a chance.

Way to early to make such decisions.
"RINO" means Republican in Name Only. I'm not worrying much about party designations other than I KNOW when I see Democrat at the national level that it's Commie-Traitor 99% of the time. It's gotten to the point that most Republicans fall in the same category. Certainly Christie does. Hell he wouldn't make a pimple on a Democrat's ass at the state level in Kansas or Okiehoma.
Posted By: FieldGrade Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Anyone else notice that Paul and Cruz (both self proclaimed pillars of conservative freedoms) were out speechifying and politicing last weekend instead of standing with the true American Conservatives down in NV?
Posted By: FlaRick Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
The fact that establishment Republicans don't like Senator Paul is a major plus in my decision.
Originally Posted by FlaRick
The fact that establishment Republicans don't like Senator Paul is a major plus in my decision.


They don't like Cruz either...
Posted By: Raeford Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
We have a year and a half left of the media building up potentials and then doing their standard 180 on same.
Posted By: milespatton Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
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Can't believe folks making a choice this early.


Yep. I think that I will wait to see Who is on the ballot, before I cast my vote. miles
Posted By: Mathsr Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
I've made my decision too. I'll vote for any Republican the GOP wants to run before I'll vote for any Democrat or third party candidate. I won't stay home or vote for a third party candidate that has no chance to win and will only divide the conservative vote insuring another 4 years of a Democrat in the White House. There are a bunch of Republicans I'd rather not vote for and would really hope that we have a good candidate put up by the GOP.
Posted By: eyeball Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Yes, above all I will vote against any commie.
Posted By: HugAJackass Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Ok, but how is 2014 looking for you?
Posted By: milespatton Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
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I've made my decision too. I'll vote for any Republican the GOP wants to run before I'll vote for any Democrat or third party candidate.


Me too, I was talking about the primaries on the other post. miles
Posted By: eyeball Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by HugAJackass
Ok, but how is 2014 looking for you?


Depends on if I get drawn for Colorado and if El Ni�o returns.

~50% reduction in Medicare reimbursements for treating ocular disease is resulting in clinic reformation to decrease care for the elderly with eye disease to try to return to the black by focusing more on routine eye exams and to start selling glasses to increase cash flow.

Pretty much sucks.
Posted By: Mannlicher Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
bit early for picking the candidate, but no matter what, I'll not be voting for any Libertarian or Liberal.
Posted By: rost495 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by rost495
Can't believe folks making a choice this early. And once again giving the win to the other side by stubborness. I"m about as stubborn as they come, but I sure don't want to vote for someone that doesn't have a chance.

Way to early to make such decisions.
"RINO" means Republican in Name Only. I'm not worrying much about party designations other than I KNOW when I see Democrat at the national level that it's Commie-Traitor 99% of the time. It's gotten to the point that most Republicans fall in the same category. Certainly Christie does. Hell he wouldn't make a pimple on a Democrat's ass at the state level in Kansas or Okiehoma.

It really has nothign to do with republican or RINO.

It has to do with not wasting a vote that will net a FOR SURE DEMOCRAT.

That plus not all the closets have been opened etc...

I am all for voting for the right person, as long as its not a loosing cause, then I"ll take the lesser of evils.

Why folks get riled up in a presidential election over this bothers me. We should be getting those "3rd" party folks elected mainstream at the lowest posts... first, so that in time, we can vote for the best candidate and not be totally wasting a vote.

Perot.. fine example of a total waste because folks were pissed off but not thinking clearly at all.
Posted By: jwp475 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14


No vote is ever wasted.
Posted By: AkMtnHntr Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Right now it's either Cruz or Paul for me but we're a long ways away before I HAVE to make my choice.
Posted By: BrotherBart Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by Middlefork_Miner
Originally Posted by FlaRick
The fact that establishment Republicans don't like Senator Paul is a major plus in my decision.


They don't like Cruz either...

Wrong... They HATE Cruz with a passion.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Cruz will run if Paul runs.

Cruz's job is to split the vote of the libertarian element in the GOP in order to deny Paul the nomination.

YKW doesn't want Paul to get any traction..
Posted By: vapodog Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
While I agree that Democrats are the problem (or at least it seems that way) there ain't no way thart republicns are the answer.....It's too late already.....the party's over!!!
Posted By: 700LH Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Not sure there has been a candidate I wanted since 1980, odds are there won't be this time either.
Same BS different day (election)

Posted By: mog75 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by FieldGrade
Anyone else notice that Paul and Cruz (both self proclaimed pillars of conservative freedoms) were out speechifying and politicing last weekend instead of standing with the true American Conservatives down in NV?


Was karl rove there? smile
Posted By: Steelhead Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
I still can't wait the open primary states when so many pound the same drum they did 8 years prior 'Get out and vote to keep Hillary out'

Congratulations idiots, you kept Hillary out and gave Obama the nomination.


Posted By: eyeball Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
No, they stayed home last time and kept that commie Romney out, Steel.
Posted By: Slenk Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
I'll vote for any Republican the GOP wants to run before I'll vote for any Democrap.
Posted By: Steelhead Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by eyeball
No, they stayed home last time and kept that commie Romney out, Steel.


I'm talking about 2008 when Hillary and Obama were competing for the nomination
Posted By: eyeball Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Yep. I'm talking about letting the biotch win in 2016 if certain conservatives don't get their own personal savior in the race for president.
Posted By: ltppowell Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Originally Posted by eyeball
Well, him or Cruz.


Why does every article about a potential presidential candidate mention Cruz? Hmmmmm.....
Posted By: isaac Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/15/14
Cruz Control,Gobbler Grabber
Posted By: rost495 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
Originally Posted by jwp475


No vote is ever wasted.


I can go you one vote can make a difference, but votes DEFINITELY can be wasted. Gave us Klinton....
Posted By: IndyCA35 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
Vote for whomever you like in the primaries. But then vote for whomever the Republicans nominate in the general election.

If everyone had done that in 2012, then Obama would have been history and Holder would probably be in jail like Jesse Jackson's son. Instead 4 million Republicans stayed away from the polls. That's the same as a vote for Obama.
Posted By: ltppowell Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Instead 4 million Republicans stayed away from the polls. That's the same as a vote for Obama.


That's 4 million MORE. The same happened in 2008 and 2004, and the same will happen in 2016 if a "moderate" RINO runs against the Democrat. Remember what they say about repeating a behavior and expecting different results.
Posted By: rost495 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
And whose ignorance does that show?

Not only the RINO's, but the voters as a whole. The voters can stop this, and turn it around, but complacency will get us nowhere.

Especially if we want a 3rd party to have a legit chance at winning a major election.

Personally I"d be happy with R being true to the party as a start.

I'll still refuse a 3rd party that has no chance or a D OR not voting at all.
Posted By: tjm10025 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Instead 4 million Republicans stayed away from the polls. That's the same as a vote for Obama.


That's 4 million MORE. The same happened in 2008 and 2004, and the same will happen in 2016 if a "moderate" RINO runs against the Democrat. Remember what they say about repeating a behavior and expecting different results.


You mean, staying home repeatedly and still expecting a Democrat not to win?
Posted By: Spanokopitas Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14

I will endorse the most Conservative candidate who has a decent chance of winning. It will not be a third party or democrat candidate.
Posted By: FieldGrade Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
Originally Posted by mog75
Originally Posted by FieldGrade
Anyone else notice that Paul and Cruz (both self proclaimed pillars of conservative freedoms) were out speechifying and politicing last weekend instead of standing with the true American Conservatives down in NV?


Was karl rove there? smile


Nope,,,
I guess my point is, they're "ALL" bought and paid for politicians by the time they get to Washington.

Only difference I can really see is that Paul will actually answer a yes/no question with a yes or no but he still has a fair amount of flip-flop in him. It's in their DNA.
Posted By: ltppowell Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
Originally Posted by tjm10025
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Instead 4 million Republicans stayed away from the polls. That's the same as a vote for Obama.


That's 4 million MORE. The same happened in 2008 and 2004, and the same will happen in 2016 if a "moderate" RINO runs against the Democrat. Remember what they say about repeating a behavior and expecting different results.


You mean, staying home repeatedly and still expecting a Democrat not to win?


Whatever. Telling them they shouldn't do it will change nothing. That's a fact. Republicans have a choice. Make conservatives happy with a conservative candidate, or make the Democrats happy by throwing the election sans nominating another squish.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/16/14
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

I will endorse the most Conservative candidate who has a decent chance of winning. It will not be a third party or democrat candidate.


It's about to the point that I'll vote for any candidate who admits to being a communist.

Far as I can tell from past experience,...he's the only honest sumbitch in the bunch.
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/17/14
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

I will endorse the most Conservative candidate who has a decent chance of winning. It will not be a third party or democrat candidate.
If Christie is the candidate the most conservative one may be Hillary.
Posted By: Jim in Idaho Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/17/14
Originally Posted by FieldGrade
Nope,,,
I guess my point is, they're "ALL" bought and paid for politicians by the time they get to Washington.

Only difference I can really see is that Paul will actually answer a yes/no question with a yes or no but he still has a fair amount of flip-flop in him. It's in their DNA.

That's it.

The most "conservative" candidate is the one who claims he's the most conservative. Politicians want votes, they'll say anything to get them.

However, there is a foolproof way to tell the Republican candidate from the Democrat, or the Conservatively posturing candidate from the Liberal posturing candidate.

Republican/Conservative

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Democrat/Liberal

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The difference in their viewpoints should be obvious...

Posted By: broomd Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/17/14
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by eyeball
Well, him or Cruz.
Cruz is slightly in front of Paul for me right now, but he or Cruz would get my vote.
Yep....
Posted By: Blackheart Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/17/14
I'd cast a vote for Paul, Cruz or possibly Ben Carson. If the Republicans serve me up Kristy or Bush, I'll stay home.
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/17/14
Originally Posted by Blackheart
I'd cast a vote for Paul, Cruz or possibly Ben Carson. If the Republicans serve me up Kristy or Bush, I'll stay home.
I won't. There'll be other local and state races to vote in that are important. I'll do my best to stop the bleeding. I'll vote third party on the Presidential race if it's not a good candidate.
Posted By: rost495 Re: I've Made My Decision - 04/17/14
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

I will endorse the most Conservative candidate who has a decent chance of winning. It will not be a third party or democrat candidate.


It's about to the point that I'll vote for any candidate who admits to being a communist.

Far as I can tell from past experience,...he's the only honest sumbitch in the bunch.


That attitude is what gets us what we currently have, IMHO. At least to an extent, but I sure know what you mean and how you feel.
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