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Well, he just made the S#*t List...

Thought highly of the guy till now.


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Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country�s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor�s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent�s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation�s debt ceiling.

Mr. Cantor was the second high-profile Republican to suffer political damage by stepping forward on the immigration issue. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, another potential presidential contender, lost the support of his tea party base when he advocated a plan for immigration that some argued created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Mr. Paul, a longtime favorite of the tea party movement, has made it clear that he believes Congress needs the courage to enact immigration reform. But his latest effort pushed him further into the middle of a strident battle between establishment Republicans like Mr. Norquist who see immigration reform as essential to economic growth, and tea party activists who fear the current efforts in Congress will only lead to de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Those familiar with the efforts to enlist Mr. Paul in the call said if the senator from Kentucky can use his influence with the two factions to find common ground, he would create the base of an expansive coalition to aid his presidential ambitions.

The danger, others noted, is that he could be portrayed as an establishment sympathizer and have some his base turn against him.

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection � both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race � is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies� wishes.

�That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don�t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,� the freshman Republican said.

Mr. Paul, whose supporters style him as a �live and let live� conservative, can use the issue to try to coalesce behind his disparate GOP coalition elements, including tea party backers, traditionalist conservatives, business interests and establishment Republicans.

A top Paul aide confirmed the alliance of Mr. Paul and Mr. Norquist on immigration reform, after The Times received a copy of an email sent to Republicans, Democrats, independents and others thought to be open to some kind of reform.


�Rand made the calls on immigration reform with Grover this morning,� Doug Stafford, who heads Mr. Paul�s political action committee, told The Times.

The email from the group announcing Mr. Paul�s participation opened with a subject line that stated that the senator �adds voice to #CallForReform.�

[b]�Today, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Grover Norquist to talk about the importance of passing immigration reform this year on the second call in a series with conservative leaders,� the group�s executive director, Jeremy Robbins, wrote in the email.

The message went on to note that �Senator Paul follows Sal Russo, co-founder of the Tea Party Express, who launched the series last month by calling for an overhaul of America�s immigration laws this year.�

The email concluded by noting that Mr. Paul and Mr. Russo �join an increasingly large group of conservatives who understand that the future of our economy depends on fixing our outdated immigration reform system.�

Many Americans of all political stripes regard the phrase �immigration reform� as code for granting amnesty to foreigners living in the U.S. illegally.

To some �rule of law� conservatives, it is a swear word. To other conservatives, putting millions of illegal immigrants on the road to legal status and eventually to citizenship is realistic politically and fair for people who flee warlords, drug lords and dysfunctional economies abroad to find work in the U.S.

The Partnership for a New American Economy boasts such high-profile members as former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a common foe of gun rights advocates and many other conservatives, and the equally wealthy Rupert Murdoch, the conservative owner of major newspapers and the Fox television family of news and entertainment channels.

The organization�s website claims it �brings together more than 500 Republican, Democratic, and independent mayors and business leaders united in making the economic case for streamlining, modernizing, and rationalizing our immigration system.�

Mr. Paul has been calling for a reform of immigration laws that secures the borders first, provides for a robust guest-worker program and can, under certain conditions, lead to the legalization of those who entered the U.S. without authorization or who overstayed their visas.
Guess he missed the Cantor news story. Duh.
program and can, under certain conditions, lead to the legalization of those who entered the U.S. without authorization or who overstayed their visas.

never ,no how, no way!
I am all for immigration reform. Allowing DOCUMENTED workers to come here and work is one thing. Tying that to US citizenship is national suicide. I seriously doubt another country on earth would consider such.
Well, insanity does seem to run in his family.
Their big money controllers want the cheap labor and the politicians think it will help them stay in office.
20 years ago we should have invoked draconian level immigration laws to prevent the takeover of our country by latin America.

The lesson learned from Cantor? That no matter who you serve in Washington, voters determine whether you get to stay or not.

We'll soon be at a point where Garcia's outnumber Smith's - and they'll be voting to annex Mexico.

And remember - Reagan thought Amnesty was a good idea too. His actions led to the mass migration of latin America importing our poverty to this country thinking that once they hit critical mass, yet another amnesty bill would pass - and I don't think they are going to be wrong.

I don't like Rand for doing it , but he isn't playing to his principles, he is playing to get into the white house.
Originally Posted by Deerwhacker444

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection � both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race � is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies� wishes.

�That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don�t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,� the freshman Republican said.



Will they ever listen? Ted hasn't been wrong yet.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by Deerwhacker444

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection � both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race � is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies� wishes.

�That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don�t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,� the freshman Republican said.



Will they ever listen? Ted hasn't been wrong yet.


I am thinking you are correct.
What is behing this cr@p?

Really

What is the real story?

Snake
Yep Isaac will be along shortly to correct us and explain that the young RP learned from his dad's mistakes and is doing the right thing.

Doesn't matter how conservative a candidate is if he can't win in the general, the argument goes, and this is a move toward "marketability" to prove, presumably, that he isn't all principled & closed-minded like his daddy.

Whatever.

Criticize the elder RP all you like, but he never caved on matters he deemed important. His son clearly learned nothing about why his supporters backed him or why his opponents hated him so much.
Originally Posted by temmi
What is behing this cr@p?

Really

What is the real story?

Snake


My guess is that Paul chose to contrast rather than look like a Ted Cruz copy cat.
he's pandering to the mezzican vote.
He's pandering to Carl Rove,Mitch McConnell,Susan Collins et al...
I think him and Ted Cruz are playing a version of good cop- bad cop
Originally Posted by gitem_12
I think him and Ted Cruz are playing a version of good cop- bad cop


Let's hope so.
the real story is he is trying to play both sides of the fence

pushing for border security before amnesty

but its a pipe dream. Our government and big business has no desire to have border security to stem the tide of cheap labor into this country.
Then why is Rand Paul helping Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell get re-elected?

IMHO Rand is trying to distance himself from Ted and play nice with the leadership in the Senate,to further his career in the Senate.
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Then why is Rand Paul helping Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell get re-elected?

IMHO Rand is trying to distance himself from Ted and play nice with the leadership in the Senate,to further his career in the Senate.


I think you're right, but I can still hope that it's a trick. smile
Yeah,it just make me nervous that he (Rand Paul) is doing this. It's too cozy,if you know what I mean.
Yes, I understand. Nobody wants to think he is a total slimebag, as he is appearing to be.
Pat, i have to wonder if he is playing the establishment. By cowtowing to people like Susan Collins. (And lets face it no way would anyone in his position nut kick his partner Senator.). All the while Ted Cruz is being Ted Cruz and stepping on feet and putting folks in their places, Rand homes himself into the politics and the ways of the establishment in order to get the nomination. I have a hard time believing Paul would back out on his principles.
The dipchit RP really screwed the fat pooch on this little tidbit of enlightenment, damn idiot.

Gunner
All this Amnesty talk is job security for me lol. they keep coming I keep working smile
However it really really sucks especially with all the chit we are dealing with now with these juvies.
Democraps and republicans alike have forgotten what amnesty got us in 86/87. Stupid politicians never learn from their mistakes. Reagan, yes that Reagan, the one all the republicans love, screwed the pooch and gave amnesty without first securing the border. now we have this idiot in office that is everyone's best friend but Americans trying to do the same thing and both parties are doing the same thing but they don't pass it because one party tries to out do the other and vise versa. this is a political game that both sides are playing, yet they both mention securing the border but then they forget about that to try and get more votes.
Personally I think we should send em all back all over the world and give incentives to the ones doing it legally. but since that will never happen because both parties are bought and are going to agree to amnesty eventually, I say number one before anything stupid is done is secure the southern border.
Pretty shameful that Rand Paul is talking about amnesty. Last time I was on here which was a few months ago, a lot of people were saying rand for President lol.
Gotta love this place.

Kique
Well put - from a man on the front lines!

Mark
Originally Posted by 2ndwind
Well, insanity does seem to run in his family.


^^^This^^^
I saw a Texas Congressman yesterday on CNN explaining Cantor's loss on the public disaffection with immigration. He said that the US allows 1 million LEGAL immigrants to enter each year -- and that number is greater than legal immigrants permitted by all other nations in the world combined.

In other words, we already have a good and eminently fair immigration policy that should be enforced.

Today, I saw a report that 20 percent of all the population (28 million?) in Central America wants to move to the US. That's over 5 million. Should the US just stand by and let them in? What about all the others in Africa, Asia, Russia, et al. who feel the same way?

The US industrial leaders who lobby for cheap labor do not address the huge cost of social services that unrestricted immigration would require. I guess that they think that is not their problem.

Then there is the brazen calculation by certain politicos who figure that opening the doors will solidify their voting ranks. That seems the most pernicious of all, to me. I see this thinking in so many recent actions in the federal agencies.

I for one will be interested to see the outcome of this year's elections on this issue.
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