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The dhimmicrats are now making noise about 'what if no charges are brought against the cop'.
In fear of that real possibility, they are really trying to force a decision NOW. To hell with fact, with an investigation, with truth, they just want action against Officer Wilson, and they want it NOW.
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FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) � Conditions calmed this week in Ferguson after nights of sometimes violent unrest stemming from the fatal shooting of a black 18-year-old by a white police officer. But a delicate and crucial question lingers: What happens if the grand jury now considering the case doesn't return a charge against the officer?


The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.

U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill told The Associated Press she's pushing for federal and local investigations to be completed around the same time so that all evidence in the case can be made public � a step many consider important should prosecutors decide not to charge the officer. Her office said Friday that the Department of Justice hasn't given a timeline for the federal investigation, which centers on whether a civil rights violation occurred when officer Darren Wilson fatally shot the unarmed Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

McCaskill, a former prosecutor in Missouri, said she's hopeful the physical evidence in the case � including blood spatter patterns, clothing and shell casings � will provide "incontrovertible facts" about what happened during the shooting. She said whatever local prosecutors decide, it will be important to explain the decision by providing that physical evidence, and that won't be possible if the federal investigation is ongoing.

McCaskill said she urged Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting earlier this week to speed up what is typically a lengthier federal process.

"What we want to avoid is a decision being made without all the information being available to the public also," McCaskill said, adding that not being able to do so could "create more stress and certainly much more fear that we would be back to worrying about people being able to protest safely."

"Obviously all of us are concerned not just about that this process be fair, but what does this next six months look like?" she said.

Gov. Jay Nixon, in an interview Friday with the AP, didn't say if he agreed with McCaskill's call to conclude both investigations at the same time. He said the full focus is on seeking justice.

"To me it's one you've got to get right. Just got to get it right," he said.

On Friday, the streets of Ferguson were calm for a third night as a small stream of protesters marched but also talked with police about their concerns over the shooting and police tactics.

Many residents who live in the Ferguson, eager to end the disruptions to their lives caused by protests and police presence, say they fear the community's anger will explode anew if Wilson isn't charged.

"This officer has to be indicted. I'd hate to see what happens if he isn't. The rioting, the looting, man ...," said resident Larry Loveless, 29, as he stopped at the memorial for Brown where he was killed.

Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who has been in charge of keeping watch over the protests in Ferguson, declined to say whether he is concerned about the potential response should no indictment be returned.

"I really don't deal in what ifs," Johnson said. "If I were going to put negative what ifs on this community, that's not fair, and it becomes a matter of pre-judging."

St. Louis County prosecutors this week convened a grand jury to begin hearing evidence in the case, despite concerns among some in the community � including Brown's parents � that the office would not be impartial because of District Attorney Bob McCulloch's ties to law enforcement. McCulloch's father, mother and other relatives worked for St. Louis police, and his father was killed while responding to a call involving a black suspect. He has said he will not remove himself from the case.

Considering the racial tensions of the case, even the makeup of the grand jury was being closely scrutinized. Two black women and one black man are on the 12-member panel, along with six white men and three white women, said Paul Fox, director of judicial administration for St. Louis County Circuit Court.

Resident John West (L) hands a rose to a police officer, showing his appreciation with help in clean �
Without specifically mentioning the grand jury's racial makeup, the Brown family's attorney, Benjamin Crump, said the panel "works perfectly" as long as the prosecutor presents the necessary evidence and doesn't withhold information.

Finishing both the federal and local investigations simultaneously would be unusual because federal investigators typically work independently of their state counterparts and at their own pace, said Paul Cassell, a former federal judge who is a University of Utah law professor.

"That is one of the advantages of a federal investigation. They tend to have a little more distance from the police officers who are being investigated. That provides some assurance of objectivity," he said.

He said prosecutors must avoid considering the potential reaction � even a violent one � on whether to file charges in any case. He said they must make "a dispassionate judgment uninfluenced by public opinion."

The most likely state charges that will be considered in such a case include second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter, he said.
I don't know - demanding transparency to me is going to give the protestors little room to talk [bleep] and get all worked up. If no charges are filed against the cop and it looks like they are hiding something the riots will just start up again.

To be honest, I doubt they just drop everything at once. I bet they'll string it out just to keep to wear the protestors and potential rioters down.

They already know they can't go after the cop based on the evidence, so they're just dragging their feet in an effort to make the crowd lost interest.
The only reason the violent protests subsided in the first place was credible accounts of the autopsy and witnesses that said Brown did attack the cop. Along with the video that shows their alter boy robbing the store...

"Justice" and what THEY want are often two different things.

You can replace the word "justice" interchangeably with "revenge" or "persecution", and you have the idea of what they want done.
I do not think they actually know the meaning of the word "justice". There are a lot of words they don't know the meaning of. "Racist", "opportunity" and "prejudice" come to mind. Black guy robs convenience store (unknown to cop). He acts kinda weird, so cop checks it out. Black guy attacks cop, almost knocking him out, and fracturing an eye orbit. Black guy tries to get cop's gun (presumably to kill him). Cop shoots black guy, as he is being attacked again. 6 shots. They make it sound like it is unusual, but the cop probably only had seconds to unload, stopping the threat. WTF did the cop do wrong? I do not see it.
The violent protesters likely can't read or write.

They quit because they got tired and ran outta chit to loot.
No charges and they'll burn down their own 'hoods nationwide. Silly nigroes.

I can't wait, it'll be good TV.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
The dhimmicrats are now making noise about 'what if no charges are brought against the cop'.
In fear of that real possibility, they are really trying to force a decision NOW. To hell with fact, with an investigation, with truth, they just want action against Officer Wilson, and they want it NOW.

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FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) � Conditions calmed this week in Ferguson after nights of sometimes violent unrest stemming from the fatal shooting of a black 18-year-old by a white police officer. But a delicate and crucial question lingers: What happens if the grand jury now considering the case doesn't return a charge against the officer?


The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.

U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill told The Associated Press she's pushing for federal and local investigations to be completed around the same time so that all evidence in the case can be made public � a step many consider important should prosecutors decide not to charge the officer. Her office said Friday that the Department of Justice hasn't given a timeline for the federal investigation, which centers on whether a civil rights violation occurred when officer Darren Wilson fatally shot the unarmed Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

McCaskill, a former prosecutor in Missouri, said she's hopeful the physical evidence in the case � including blood spatter patterns, clothing and shell casings � will provide "incontrovertible facts" about what happened during the shooting. She said whatever local prosecutors decide, it will be important to explain the decision by providing that physical evidence, and that won't be possible if the federal investigation is ongoing.

McCaskill said she urged Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting earlier this week to speed up what is typically a lengthier federal process.

"What we want to avoid is a decision being made without all the information being available to the public also," McCaskill said, adding that not being able to do so could "create more stress and certainly much more fear that we would be back to worrying about people being able to protest safely."

"Obviously all of us are concerned not just about that this process be fair, but what does this next six months look like?" she said.

Gov. Jay Nixon, in an interview Friday with the AP, didn't say if he agreed with McCaskill's call to conclude both investigations at the same time. He said the full focus is on seeking justice.

"To me it's one you've got to get right. Just got to get it right," he said.

On Friday, the streets of Ferguson were calm for a third night as a small stream of protesters marched but also talked with police about their concerns over the shooting and police tactics.

Many residents who live in the Ferguson, eager to end the disruptions to their lives caused by protests and police presence, say they fear the community's anger will explode anew if Wilson isn't charged.

"This officer has to be indicted. I'd hate to see what happens if he isn't. The rioting, the looting, man ...," said resident Larry Loveless, 29, as he stopped at the memorial for Brown where he was killed.

Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who has been in charge of keeping watch over the protests in Ferguson, declined to say whether he is concerned about the potential response should no indictment be returned.

"I really don't deal in what ifs," Johnson said. "If I were going to put negative what ifs on this community, that's not fair, and it becomes a matter of pre-judging."

St. Louis County prosecutors this week convened a grand jury to begin hearing evidence in the case, despite concerns among some in the community � including Brown's parents � that the office would not be impartial because of District Attorney Bob McCulloch's ties to law enforcement. McCulloch's father, mother and other relatives worked for St. Louis police, and his father was killed while responding to a call involving a black suspect. He has said he will not remove himself from the case.

Considering the racial tensions of the case, even the makeup of the grand jury was being closely scrutinized. Two black women and one black man are on the 12-member panel, along with six white men and three white women, said Paul Fox, director of judicial administration for St. Louis County Circuit Court.

Resident John West (L) hands a rose to a police officer, showing his appreciation with help in clean �
Without specifically mentioning the grand jury's racial makeup, the Brown family's attorney, Benjamin Crump, said the panel "works perfectly" as long as the prosecutor presents the necessary evidence and doesn't withhold information.

Finishing both the federal and local investigations simultaneously would be unusual because federal investigators typically work independently of their state counterparts and at their own pace, said Paul Cassell, a former federal judge who is a University of Utah law professor.

"That is one of the advantages of a federal investigation. They tend to have a little more distance from the police officers who are being investigated. That provides some assurance of objectivity," he said.

He said prosecutors must avoid considering the potential reaction � even a violent one � on whether to file charges in any case. He said they must make "a dispassionate judgment uninfluenced by public opinion."

The most likely state charges that will be considered in such a case include second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter, he said.



Of course. Dimocraps function strictly on an emotional level. Facts and the rule of law mean nothing to them.
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The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.


It doesn't matter what the actual facts are.

If the cop is not tried and convicted, they will make the riots last week look like child's play... With Sharpton leading the way.

I suspect it'll be an epic [bleep].

Whole thing stinks of the Zimmerman case.

Libs, Dems, nwa, sac and msm want to see nothing less than pure mayhem.
Originally Posted by eyeball
Libs, Dems, nwa, sac and msm want to see nothing less than pure mayhem.


I'm kinda ready to have an end to that crap myself.

As long as they get away with it, and have their asses kissed by politicians, they will continue to do that.

It's time they learned a hard lesson.
even the few BLACK guys I know are laughing about how stupid the people of that area and our goverment leaders look
You mean like this? I have shared one other video from this guy but he dang sure gets it. No this was not the preacher video that went viral.

Zonation gets it
Some questions not addressed by the media..

Do any of these "protesters" have jobs? If so, how did they get all that time off....

Why did the violence/rioting/looting occur only after dark? Is it because cockroaches fear the light?

Were there bruises on MB's throat from the strangle-hold his bud said Wilson had on him as he "tried to drag him into the car"?

Does it seem reasonable a cop of Wilson's physical stature would try to drag a 6'4' 280 lb guy into the car through the window while at such an obvious physical/positional disadvantage?

Is "justice" a code word for "revenge"?

"presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" with all kinds of black LAWYERS spouting off about "execution" of a proven by convenience store video, but unconvicted felon. The word/viewpoint goes unquestioned by the media... How about "justice" under the law for Wilson? Like perhaps an indictment and/trial if appropriate?
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The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.
Therein lies the problem. If our system works as designed, when there are NOT irrefutable facts, there are no charges or conviction. A conviction is only supposed to happen when the evidence is beyond any shadow of doubt.
and yet the point of this thread, is to show that regardless of outcome, Missouri dhimmicrats want a conviction of Wilson. Period. End of discussion.
It is of paramount importance, to see that seeking truth, facts or justice, are NOT goals for the liberals.
Sam, I couldn't agree with you more. Just another element of the dumbing down, instant gratification society. Nobody stops to explain, educate, or push back against the "sound bite" of the current media and political operative (think democrat).
It can't work, the way it was designed, in a case like this, because of the massive inherent conflict of interest. The government is accused of committing a crime, so the government decides whether there should be an indictment. Then the government will conduct a trial, and pronounce a sentence. You can't reasonably expect anyone to accept that as justice. Sometimes people do, because of their childhood government indoctrination, but you can't depend on that.
What you can't reasonably expect is that people who equate the word "justice" with the act of looting will somehow give a sh*t about the facts.

How many of that type knew OJ did it but still cheered when he got away with murder. Justice. Don't make me laugh.

Revenge isn't correct either. Revenge for what? Being caught? That is what happened to Trayvon and look how that went.
Originally Posted by kenjs1
What you can't reasonably expect is that people who equate the word "justice" with the act of looting will somehow give a sh*t about the facts.

Not defending looting here, but the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice. There are certainly more effective ways of handling the lack of an expectation of justice than looting; not arguing that. But if you bring in enough troops to stop the looting, the lack of faith in the government's version of justice will remain, and it will come out in some other--probably more destructive--way.

I suspect that one of the biggest reasons those folks are rioting and looting is because they don't have rifles or the training to use them from concealment. If they did, things would look a bit different. When a white community full of military veterans loses as much faith in government justice as the black community in Ferguson has, you'll see what I mean.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Missouri dhimmicrats want a conviction of Wilson. Period.

Most likely they don't care, they just want to be known as being down with the blacks to get votes
Just saying what it takes.
"Bro gits hisseff capped. I gits me a flat screen an' a case a likker. Dat's justiss, man."
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
"Bro gits hisseff capped. I gits me a flat screen an' a case a likker. Dat's justiss, man."


Exactly!
Originally Posted by KFWA
I don't know - demanding transparency to me is going to give the protestors little room to talk [bleep] and get all worked up. If no charges are filed against the cop and it looks like they are hiding something the riots will just start up again.

To be honest, I doubt they just drop everything at once. I bet they'll string it out just to keep to wear the protestors and potential rioters down.

They already know they can't go after the cop based on the evidence, so they're just dragging their feet in an effort to make the crowd lost interest.


Your forgetting that this is an election year and things aren't looking so good for the progressive fascists. This shooting was picked by them to turn the election around just as Zimmerman was persecuted to help them in 2012. The progressive fascist governor Nixon will have a persecutor bring charges against the officer to show their base that their protecting blacks against the evil police and Republicans.
Originally Posted by Barak
Originally Posted by kenjs1
What you can't reasonably expect is that people who equate the word "justice" with the act of looting will somehow give a sh*t about the facts.

Not defending looting here, but the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice.


The reason for the looting is that the Ghetto Gangster class of criminals see this as an opportunity to get more free stuff. The demonstrations and complaints about the shooting are criminals getting revenge against the police. The progressive fascists are using this shooting as an opportunity to mobilize their base for the election.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
and yet the point of this thread, is to show that regardless of outcome, Missouri dhimmicrats want a conviction of Wilson. Period. End of discussion.
It is of paramount importance, to see that seeking truth, facts or justice, are NOT goals for the liberals.


I agree. Worse yet, consider this: Do the members of the grand jury really believe that their anonymity will be preserved? Do they want to be next on the list of Ferguson's most hated? This poor police officer has no chance. I hope that if he is indicted his atty has the sense to move for a change of venue.
Barak makes interesting points, and I agree with some of them. But, I don't agree with his position that "the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice". That explanation could make sense in a more knowledgeable, more sophisticated and well-modulated social setting.

However, most of the people doing the looting there (and on other such occasions) seem to have little or no concept of a reasonable justice system and related expectations - or even a rational concept of what most others consider a civilized social setting.

I believe that such looting stems from a basic learned entitlement mentality, greed, financial envy and opportunism driven by a sensational event. It is sociopathic behavior. Sometimes they go to looting after NBA championship games.

Given such cause and opportunity, folks in that condition often are triggered to riot and loot because they see the way clear - "grab it while I can" - and they know, possibly instinctively, that their immediate numbers can overhwelm the victims as well as the police, at least for a while.

They are somewhat like predators in the wild - opportunists that, in order to survive, have to gauge the threat to themselves should they prey on a victim. Consequently, when faced with normal social justice responses (armed shopkeepers, police with water hoses, clubs, dogs, gas bombs, firearms and handcuffs) the looters do gain some sense of "justice", their opportunism diminishes and they retreat.

However, as a body, they seem to learn nothing through the experience. That is really sad.

What will charges do the the LEO community?

Snake
That is pretty much in line with the Governor calling for the vigorous prosecution of officer Wilson prior to the completion of the investigation.
Originally Posted by ConradCA

Your forgetting that this is an election year and things aren't looking so good for the progressive fascists. This shooting was picked by them to turn the election around just as Zimmerman was persecuted to help them in 2012. The progressive fascist governor Nixon will have a persecutor bring charges against the officer to show their base that their protecting blacks against the evil police and Republicans.


Interesting, and probably appropriate, typo....
Originally Posted by MadMooner
The violent protesters likely can't read or write.

They quit because they got tired and ran outta chit to loot.


They raided and looted a shoe store but not one pair of work boots were stolen.
Originally Posted by CCCC
Barak makes interesting points, and I agree with some of them. But, I don't agree with his position that "the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice". That explanation could make sense in a more knowledgeable, more sophisticated and well-modulated social setting.

However, most of the people doing the looting there (and on other such occasions) seem to have little or no concept of a reasonable justice system and related expectations - or even a rational concept of what most others consider a civilized social setting.

I believe that such looting stems from a basic learned entitlement mentality, greed, financial envy and opportunism driven by a sensational event. It is sociopathic behavior. Sometimes they go to looting after NBA championship games.

Given such cause and opportunity, folks in that condition often are triggered to riot and loot because they see the way clear - "grab it while I can" - and they know, possibly instinctively, that their immediate numbers can overhwelm the victims as well as the police, at least for a while.

They are somewhat like predators in the wild - opportunists that, in order to survive, have to gauge the threat to themselves should they prey on a victim. Consequently, when faced with normal social justice responses (armed shopkeepers, police with water hoses, clubs, dogs, gas bombs, firearms and handcuffs) the looters do gain some sense of "justice", their opportunism diminishes and they retreat.

However, as a body, they seem to learn nothing through the experience. That is really sad.


I think what you say is right...but I still say that if there was an expectation of justice, there would be no looting, or at least that it would be much more contained.

Why does a looter loot? Because he thinks he can get away with it. Why does he think he can get away with it? Because no one will stop him. Why will no one stop him? Because there's no expectation of justice.
Originally Posted by Barak
[quote=CCCC]

Why does a looter loot? Because he thinks he can get away with it. Why does he think he can get away with it? Because no one will stop him. Why will no one stop him? Because there's no expectation of justice.


Maybe, maybe not. I think people that loot after an incident like this do so because they were raised in an environment that doesn't respect authority of any sort. They were usually raised with no father-figure, and they feel entitled to whatever they want/need, possibly due to being given stuff without having to work for it for generations......
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
The only reason the violent protests subsided in the first place was credible accounts of the autopsy and witnesses that said Brown did attack the cop. Along with the video that shows their alter boy robbing the store...

"Justice" and what THEY want are often two different things.

You can replace the word "justice" interchangeably with "revenge" or "persecution", and you have the idea of what they want done.
Yes.
Originally Posted by Barak
Originally Posted by kenjs1
What you can't reasonably expect is that people who equate the word "justice" with the act of looting will somehow give a sh*t about the facts.

Not defending looting here, but the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice.


Sorry my friend, but there is looting because the opportunity for theft to occur without consequences presents itself. It's not rage that drove looters into Wallmart after Katrina hit N.O., it was the prospect of free shopping without worry of the law applying. Same in Ferguson.
Looters are all thieves even before the riot begins. Honest people don't loot even if the opportunity presents itself.
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by Barak
Originally Posted by kenjs1
What you can't reasonably expect is that people who equate the word "justice" with the act of looting will somehow give a sh*t about the facts.

Not defending looting here, but the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice.


Sorry my friend, but there is looting because the opportunity for theft to occur without consequences presents itself.

Or, in other words, there's no expectation of justice.
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McCaskill said she urged Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting earlier this week to speed up what is typically a lengthier federal process.
Window dressing. She knows Holder and zero's agenda is not justice, but the destruction of America. And she's just as much a part of that crime as they are.
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not defending looting here, but the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice.
Absolutely correct.


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loses as much faith in government justice as the black community in Ferguson has
Not so much they don't have faith in government justice as they are tired of government justice, and have corporately gotten enough freebe's to disdain it. Add all the charlatan race baiters misquoting stats and downright lying to blacks about the disproportionate black populations in prisons, that believing they are getting a raw deal has become the norm, regardless of them knowing the danger of trusting each other due to rampant criminality in their culture.
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