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Posted By: jbuck Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
So I just started a new job, managing a warehouse, and I have been concerned about people smoking meth or haroin in the public bathrooms.

I live in a small town and with in the last year 80% of the public restrooms have tested positive for toxins. There is a couple of reason why this is a concern: one is monetary and the other is my kids will be around and will be using the same facilities.

So I have been wondering if anyone out there has any ideas on how to combat this issue? I was looking for a smoke alarm that detects meth along with heroin, but I have been striking out.

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Posted By: heavywalker Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Drug test employees, fire offenders, repeat.
Posted By: jbuck Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
We already are subject to drug testing and are in a random pool as well. I don't think the employees are the ones I am worrying about.

these are the public bathrooms. I might be mistaken, but since there was ADA funding that we have to offer a ADA bathroom for public use.
Posted By: 458 Lott Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
I would think the bigger concern would be the meth heads and junkies making off with inventory, destroying equipment and other wise acting like dope heads than the residue of their toxins in the crapper.
Posted By: Snyper Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
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I live in a small town and with in the last year 80% of the public restrooms have tested positive for toxins

Most $20 bill "test positive" for Cocaine, but you're not going to get high by handling them

You're seriously overreacting
Posted By: Fireball2 Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Wouldn't a standard smoke alarm work for meth?
Posted By: 458 Lott Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Most smoke detectors these days are photoelectric, in simple terms a light on one side of a chamber, and a detector on the other side. If enough particles are in the chamber to obscure enough light, the detector goes into alarm. The alarm threshold depends on both the quantity and size of the particles. So yes, if someones puffing on their meth pipe, the alarm would go off at some point.

If I lived somewhere that you'd have to worry about meth heads sparking up in your companies bathrooms, I'd make moving somewhere else priority number one.
Posted By: jbuck Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Originally Posted by Snyper
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I live in a small town and with in the last year 80% of the public restrooms have tested positive for toxins

Most $20 bill "test positive" for Cocaine, but you're not going to get high by handling them

You're seriously overreacting


I very well could be. I have been told that once you test positive the "only" way to decontaminate is to gut the bathroom down to the studs and rebuild it. SO at the very least it is a financial issue. I will do a little more research on the harmfulness of absorbing it through your skin and worry about that later.
Posted By: FreeMe Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Originally Posted by Fireball2
Wouldn't a standard smoke alarm work for meth?


Just a guess - it sounds like someone wants to single out the meth-heads, while accommodating the tobacco smokers. There's a simple answer for this...
Posted By: jbuck Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Google says a smoke alarm will not work as Meth Smoke is a vapor and dissipates too quickly.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Only one I can come up with is a 175 gr Sierra BTHP at 2700 fps from a 308 Winchester.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
they would take your smoke alarm apart and make a bowl or bong out of it laugh
Posted By: hardway Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Order a couple dogs from Ingwe.
Posted By: tex_n_cal Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Drug test new employees when hiring. Don't hire convicted felons. Drug test employees involved in accidents.

If you have corporate policies that affect these issues, you will have to comply with them. Some companies, for example, will require a full time employee to enter rehab if they fail a drug test.

I had an excellent employee once - never had a bit of trouble from him, and a great worker. He had a strange accident on the job, we tested him, and his cocaine level was so high that the lab wondered how he was alive. We fired him, but he was rehired by another guy a couple years later, after supposedly cleaning up his act.
Posted By: Snyper Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
Drug test new employees when hiring. Don't hire convicted felons. Drug test employees involved in accidents.

If you have corporate policies that affect these issues, you will have to comply with them. Some companies, for example, will require a full time employee to enter rehab if they fail a drug test.

I had an excellent employee once - never had a bit of trouble from him, and a great worker. He had a strange accident on the job, we tested him, and his cocaine level was so high that the lab wondered how he was alive. We fired him, but he was rehired by another guy a couple years later, after supposedly cleaning up his act.


He already said more than once it's a PUBLIC restroom, and he's not worried about the employees

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I have been told that once you test positive the "only" way to decontaminate is to gut the bathroom down to the studs and rebuild it


Was the person who told you that in the remodeling business?
It sounds like a big load of BS to me unless they have set up a lab in there to MAKE Meth, and not just smoke it
Posted By: jbuck Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
It was the maintenance department from another company. I guess they had to go to a seminar, or whatever you want to call it, to learn how to decon for meth.
Posted By: jbuck Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Originally Posted by gunner500
Only one I can come up with is a 175 gr Sierra BTHP at 2700 fps from a 308 Winchester.


I would guess that a 40gr hp at 1050fps from a suppressed 22lr would be just as effective. But I can see your point.
Posted By: okok Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Originally Posted by 458 Lott
I would think the bigger concern would be the meth heads and junkies making off with inventory, destroying equipment and other wise acting like dope heads than the residue of their toxins in the crapper.

Agree with this post.
Posted By: Fireball2 Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Recreational drug use is a victimless crime. I heard. crazy
Posted By: 280shooter Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
You'll end up with residue and broken smoke detectors.
Posted By: joken2 Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Originally Posted by jbuck
It was the maintenance department from another company. I guess they had to go to a seminar, or whatever you want to call it, to learn how to decon for meth.


Unless there are different residential and commercial decontamination regulations, a total tear out and replacement of drywall was not mandatory when a meth lab got busted by police in a rental house that my wife used to own.

A thorough decontamination of the entire inside of the house by trained HazMat certified professionals was mandatory though before it could be legally rented again and expensive enough as it was.
Posted By: Crockettnj Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
Hidden camera that cant view someones gear while they are on the toilet, but can see the face/etc if they are smoking.

Use it periodically, and never ever reveal that it is there. Ever. And dont be a perv about it.

Anytime a methhead etc uses in the bathroom, report to police re odd behavior, smell, etc, DUI.

That, or put in a large sign and a fake camera or device... unplugged... that states "meth/heroine detector".
Posted By: Snyper Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/11/14
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Originally Posted By: jbuck
It was the maintenance department from another company. I guess they had to go to a seminar, or whatever you want to call it, to learn how to decon for meth.

Sounds like they are manufacturing job security
I don't believe they are accurate
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/14/14
Originally Posted by jbuck
Originally Posted by gunner500
Only one I can come up with is a 175 gr Sierra BTHP at 2700 fps from a 308 Winchester.


I would guess that a 40gr hp at 1050fps from a suppressed 22lr would be just as effective. But I can see your point.


Got one of those too, and yes, the little "whisperer" would be less of a mess. laugh
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Meth smoke alarm? - 12/14/14
Originally Posted by Crockettnj
Hidden camera that cant view someones gear while they are on the toilet, but can see the face/etc if they are smoking.

Use it periodically, and never ever reveal that it is there. Ever. And dont be a perv about it.

Anytime a methhead etc uses in the bathroom, report to police re odd behavior, smell, etc, DUI.

That, or put in a large sign and a fake camera or device... unplugged... that states "meth/heroine detector".


That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

All you need is one female to stand up while she wipes and you are a convicted sex offender, broke from her lawsuit, and unemployed for violating company policy.

very bad idea.
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