it seems like folks out there are taking issue with WWII, and tghe fact we did all we could to end the war.

while Pres. Roosevelt did not authorize the bomb, it was authorized by his replacement.

and it was important that it did occur.

so, if something had "changed" a bit early on, would the outcome have been any different?

anyone know for sure?

Nothing I hate more than 'what ifs'

if we could have had more, or better information we might have arrived at a different conclusion?

using all the information at our disposal, what should we do next? does that about sum it up?

How you going to abort baby Jesus?

He woulda blown that pu$$y up and carried on. He's Jesus, you dumbazz.

It is what it is. Why be concerned with history and events you cannot change.

If Gus's Mom were a carpet muncher, would the urth's collective IQ be greater?

anyone know for sure?

What I do know, your penchant for moon-bat-kook posts is unequaled.

we might need to look at the past, to see where we are now?

we can take that information and project the information available to us into the future, to form a trajectory?

history must have value, or why would we bother to invest resources in maintaining and preserving it.

in other words, if the past had been different, would the present be differnt or the same?

Have you every contributed anything Worthwhile to this forum.?

Been here since 09,..still waiting.....

Everybody's getting tired of your same ol' Pothead questions.!

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Exactly what I said to Jen.

Gus's post sound far out but if you can read between the lines and grasp the meaning of what he's saying their not that crazy. maybe its not to late for man kind to learn from history but i doubt it.

Mom and dad leave the medicine cabinet open???

an age old solution was to kill the hell out of the messenger. then, later came the hordes who overran the dug-in positions.

the messenger was kilt, as was the opposing king, his family, and his related bureaucrats.

if the Muslims are a variation, clone, or off-shoot of the Judastic Tradition, how do we Christians fit into a niche?

It is threads like this leading the Campfire into the toilet...

the roman empire failed for some reason?

i have expected the xtians to come roaring out of the woodwork, and offer endless defenses.

so far, nada.

but, the day is not over yet.

20/20 hindsight is always more accurate than decisions made under pressure, when the situation is fluid, and with less than perfect information.

If the leaders of the UK had the courage/will to step in when Hitler started down the road that led to WW2, WW2 might not have happened. If PM Stanley Baldwin had stepped in when Germany violated the terms of the Treaty at Versailles by remilitarizing the Rhineland in 1936, it is possible that Hitler would have been inhibited from the annexation of Austria and the occupation of Czechoslovakia, both in 1938. Of course, Baldwin had to deal with the crisis of Edward VIII abdicating and George VI assuming The Throne, so he has to get a little latitude/consideration for being preoccupied.

OTOH, Chamberlain clearly appeased Hilter and Hitler, being a "given an inch, take a mile" sort of person recognized that Chamberlain would do anything to avoid war. In contrast, Hilter saw war as a reasonable means by which to further his goals. The rest, as they say, is history.

This is one of the more historically diseased threads I've seen in here.

1) The Manhattan Project was balls-to-the-wall from the start. I've known a couple that worked on it. Guys took years off their life working on that gig. Any dithering at the top did not effect day-to-day operation
2) There was no slow down after VE. The few disgruntled team members who pushed to kill the project after it was clear the Germans had lost had a gun put to their head: shut up and keep working, or we'll put you away where you can't harm the project.
3) Trinity was touched off on 16 July, and VJ-day was less than a month later. In the interim, folks involved had barely time for a shower let alone waiting for the go-ahead.
4) The Invasion of Japan was on schedule for November '45. If the bombs were a dud, we needed as much time as possible to get the logistics for that invasion in order. My Dad was slated for that shindig, and was on his way to Okinawa, one of the staging areas, when the bombs dropped. It took 2 years to get ready for the Normandy landings and the Mainland Invasion was going to be much bigger. You could not delay those bombs for a day.
5) The only delay, if you could call it that, was holding off on Hiroshima, Nygoya, Nagasaki, and the other potential A-Bomb target cities. They wanted clean targets so they could assess the damage.

This is just a theory, but I think it's a good one: Whoever was at the top (FDR or HST) knew we were going to have one mother of a bomb coming on line, and it was an important strategic tool against Uncle Joe. However, it needed to be used and it needed to be used on a live target so there would be no question as to its effect.

One thing I do know-- no theory-- is that the best thing that happened to the Japanese was those two bombs, because they kept Curtis LeMay from doing what he did best. LeMay's operation was extremely efficient and committed. He was doing with conventional munitions every day and night what folks were trying to do with nukes. The Bomb saved Japan from Lemay.

Yeah, thanks to emperor Guseus Retardus Maximus..

If Obammy's mammy twer't a Ho, would liberals still come back fo mo?

If WWII was fought with nothing but light sabers,would Darth Vader still be Luke Skywalkers Father?

Are you for real?

You can tune a piano. But, you can't tune a fish.

The smoker you drink, the player you get.

War is done by man. we would have found something else to fight about. Just like now the people in the world are searching for a reason to have a world war.

lol. good point.

a new WW would have to be cost-effective, wouldn't it?

i mean, otherwise, what would be the point?

You and Gus must be related (perhaps twin brothers separated at birth?) - you guys think alike!

while myself, clinton, bush the younger, and obama are all left handed, i claim no kinship with any of those dudes.

we all came from different mom's i'm thinking.

Damn! Just, damn..................

Whatever you're smoking, send some over to ISIS..........

Thinking? You mean to say you don't know?

Gus, if your Mom had aborted you, would the collective IQ of the Campfire go up a few 10 digits?

I do not read your post Gus after your slap at T Lee and I seldom feel the desire to respond to your Senseless drivel but the title to this one make me advise you seek a mental health professional and do in now. I seriously fear you should not be out on your own. You really need help. The VA Has a mental health hotline. Info HERE

Face it, sometimes these are funny. This one is a mega dud.

yep, yelp. not every post on this hook & bullet site is going to appease or appeal to everyone.

that's what diversity is all about.

if the posts get out of line, someone might tell us?

Do you know the difference between meat and fish?









You beat your fish it dies.

Rick, it's time...

we should not stretch the envelope. that's be a heresy of sorts, wouldn't it?

In all seriousness yes. But for a different reason than the OP's line of reasoning.

If the Christ had not existed, then we would all be Pagan, Jewish or Muslim. Still lots of wars but probably not WW2.

Instead we would probably have colonized Mars by now as the church set science back a thousand plus years.

Greek and Roman knowledge on subjects like math and science would have been passed on and built upon rather than wiped out by those who went around killing scientists and burning libraries.

You need to start taking you meds.

if the US and other western nations are under threat of attack by the terrorists, then the pagans, catholics, baptists, and protestants who walk among us might need to give some thought to preparation?

The use of force continuum should be set to deter the savages.

1. Kill everyone in the family of the terrorists.
2. Bombing Mecca.
3. Neutron bomb wrapped in cobalt.

Nope,it went right over your head.

THAT is a really SICK, and offensive thread title, you obnoxious little prick

It really just HURTS to open up this site and be slapped in the face by a communist degenerate dirtbag's little headline.

I'm not any great example of a very good practicing Christian,....but this sci fi- demonic chit's starting to rankle.

GTC

I have to agree with both you guys. I will discuss religion or doctrine with anyone who is really interested but we are taught in scripture to avoid foolish questions. This is the most foolish I've ever heard.

I've even tried to reach out to Gus and answer some of his questions in the past but he then continues as if he never heard the answer. Gus is clearly living in his own world and it's one I would rather not be involved in.

Pregnant gals swearing they weren't having some dick......hmmmm

I think most of you (indeed, most of the Freakshow) need tomget on Gus' Pineapple Express...

Maybe it will chill y'all out....

living behind the village gates, and daring not to go outside the village gates. i can understand why.

are there other villages outside the village gates, or not?

anyone know for sule?

Gus, did you serve in the American armed forces, in Vietnam, during the war...?

I do not read your post Gus after your slap at T Lee and I seldom feel the desire to respond to your Senseless drivel but the title to this one make me advise you seek a mental health professional and do in now. I seriously fear you should not be out on your own. You really need help. The VA Has a mental health hotline. Info HERE

i did not serve in vietnam during the vietnam conflagration.

presindent nixon and others were there to change the scope of the disagreement.

walmoart, red china, and others have opened the door to world trade. ok?

What year, or years, were you there...?

Way Way overdue

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i did not serve in that theatre of war. wait, was it a war or not?

i served stateside in those years. but thank you for asking.

please post your responses here on the internet, ok?

He spent his service time in the US behind a typewriter. If he clames he has PTSD from a paper cut the VA will treat him.

You mean, he can claim the same "trauma" as derby dude? Amazing.

WTF??????

Paper cut can cause life long mental damage. The stress can be overwhelming. What is the number I real, 22 Vets take their own lives every day.

Besides, I don't think they will let a nut case post from within a mental ward.

what if you liked them?


Sycamore

You are a certifiable lunatic! I hope the only guns you have just squirt water.
Go back to VOX.com

If you go back and look at the first post Gus made and then following him down the line you will find he started out a little strange but has gone downhill in a relative straight line until he reaches his last atrocities.

I believe he needs serious mental health help. The titles to his posts alone would be enough to qualify him.

[color:#FF0000]Help Is Just A Phone Call Away[/color]

The number is 1-800-273-8255 then Press 1.

OK. I laughed out loud at that one. Nice.