Anyone employed or have family employed by such? If so any personal information how many hours per day / days per week is your company producing 22 ammo. GW

Yes

Aren't they slowed a bit, due to switching over to a summer blend

I agree.

Steve.

Aren't you glad you asked.

CCI is here in Idaho so we should have first dibs at 22's doncha think?

Fiocchi has a plant in the area, trying to obtain information on their production. 700LH locals don't have first dibs at that plant. GW

you can also call CCI
they ramped up production from what I have been told

the problem is demand versus supply now

the big run on ammo in 2012 depleted stocks in warehouses/distribution centers nationwide and they haven't been able to get back to that on hand level since
as soon as it hits the market it is basically gone
shooters,hoarders, scalpers

aint nothing in huge amounts like pre2012 levels in storage waiting to be shipped out per regular scheduled replenishment request anymore

had a pretty good discussion with CCI on the phone
all I was trying to do was railroad some small game bullet production item 0058 into my hands
they would not even give ph # on their distrubitors to me nationwide to try and track some down somehow

all I can say
is norma tac-22 and norma match -22 is good ammo(rws actually) and that can be easily hard for reasonable price in todays market

get some shoot some
see for yourself
cci standard velocity is good stuff
aguila can be easily found (rifle match is good stuff,but alittle dirty)

stuff can be found
try gunbot internet site


so you see foreign companies making up the diff now

ruag from Germany manufacters .22 under a lot of different names

google em up
go to rimfire central for info on this subject
you would surprised to what brands of ammo are being made by whom and what that .22 is called and sold for by different brands when In reality it is the same ammo across the board with very minor tweaks

look at a norma round
got the RWS head stamp on it, bigger than stuttgart
that is just one example.

To be read no and don't know.

According to the NSSF, they have all been working 3 shifts for the past 3.5 years.

i got 450 rds of good .22 ammo
worth about 65$ total minus the 1 box of thunderbolts
so really it is 400 rds in my opinon

that I cant even sell to morons around here for 30 bucks cause they think im trying to scalp em

fugg em let em buy the same stuff at full price

the only reason I wann sell it
is cause I am done with my grouping experiments and have norma match-22 and ccisv readily available and can always fall back on aguila rifle match

if I find some cci small game bullet
then I will buy a bunch of that and be happier
10 shot bug hole group ammo is what interest me
not spray and pray stuff

???

joke in reference to gas refining

I've heard that, too. So, where are all the .22's? No one can horde that many, except the gov.

RickyD,
Look at all the 22 ammo for sale at ridiculous prices on gunbroker and similar sites. Those guys are buying it up as soon as it hits the store shelves. At the heights of the hysteria they were selling all they could get for up to $100.00 a brick. You couldn't find ANY 22s on the shelf anywhere once those guys left the store. Things have cooled a bit, people won't pay those high of a price and the scalpers have slowed down. Now, 22 ammo is starting to show up on shelves here and there from time to time, and those scalpers (for lack of a better word) are holding ammo longer and selling it cheaper. The basements of the hoarders (again for lack of a better word) are all full now, and the bulk of the sales are going to people like me who haven't bought 22ammo in a couple of years and are just trying to put some aside in case this happens again. When and if I find a brick on the shelf for about 25.00 I'll buy it till I get a couple thousand rounds set aside and then I'll be done. There are litterally MILLIONS of people just like me doing the same thing.

The government IS NOT hoarding all of the 22 ammo. It is not being bought up by .gov and dumped at sea.

RickyD,
Look at all the 22 ammo for sale at ridiculous prices on gunbroker and similar sites. Those guys are buying it up as soon as it hits the store shelves. At the heights of the hysteria they were selling all they could get for up to $100.00 a brick. You couldn't find ANY 22s on the shelf anywhere once those guys left the store. Things have cooled a bit, people won't pay those high of a price and the scalpers have slowed down. Now, 22 ammo is starting to show up on shelves here and there from time to time, and those scalpers (for lack of a better word) are holding ammo longer and selling it cheaper. The basements of the hoarders (again for lack of a better word) are all full now, and the bulk of the sales are going to people like me who haven't bought 22ammo in a couple of years and are just trying to put some aside in case this happens again. When and if I find a brick on the shelf for about 25.00 I'll buy it till I get a couple thousand rounds set aside and then I'll be done. There are litterally MILLIONS of people just like me doing the same thing.

The government IS NOT hoarding all of the 22 ammo. It is not being bought up by .gov and dumped at sea.

we have midsouthshooters supply here local
they list every rimfire made for cci
they have none listed in stock per website
however the lgs around here get their ammo from backorders from midsouth
as soon as they get it they are filling back ordered stuff
they have plenty of norma
and their is also plenty of that in all the lgs around here

sending it out as fast as they get

once again they get from midsouth

I have seen people in their buying 20-25 pds of powder

for lgs,s in the area

I have also gone in and seen ammo in the counter for local purchase
it goes quick


the problem is nationwide with any inventory in storage attempted to be built up like their was in pre 2012
it just cant be done with supply and demand numbers the way they are now
once those amounts disappeared nationwide that took whatever period of time it took to build up to that level they just aint been able to restock em at all
it just plain old has never been rebuilt back up to that level
and the amount manufacturers produce now barely keep it at a daily sustainment level of current demand due to shooting,hoarding and scalping



at least that is my thought on it all and basically what CCI had to say when I called them





think of it as using up the strategic oil reserve several years back and then trying to build it back up again





then we got the great one thinking about ex order with 5.56 855 ammo ban

that is probably gonna cause the entire ammo b.s. stuff to start again across the entire industry

How do you know that? I doubt you've been in one horders basement, let along all of them. The gov isn't buying up all of it, that would make it too obvious, but the trickle that gets into the pipeline also makes it obvious, to me.

There are lots of reasons I don't believe it's all the hoarders. Disposable income is one. Folks with big bucks aren't going to speculate on .22 ammo, and bring literally tons of it into their homes or garages, and then have to figure out how to sell it without wrapping up time they could be more productive and profitable with other things. I doubt there are more than a couple people in the county who would take out their 401K's or mortgage their house to buy a basement full of .22's. People are stupid, but not that stupid, for the most part.

Our local Sportsmans Warehouse hasn't gotten any .22's in a quantity they can put on shelves pretty much since this started. I've seen a few boxes in Walmart and Cabela's recently, but nothing that anyone would call a selection. Nope, this has zero and holder written all over it and I believe one day we will learn that as a fact.

Don't fool yourself, the old man brigade at the Marts/sporting good stores in search of 22 ammo trumps any early bird dinner crowd I've seen in Boca Raton.

Well! Little of ever thing but the original question goes unanswered. GW

I think 'slave knows some folks that work at the CCI plant. I'm sure once he gets drunk enough he'll chime in.



Travis

I really don't think the gov is hoarding .22

but their actions sure as fugg have helped to create the situation

and their informal gun control thru ammunition availability and perception of availability to the shooting public is sure as fugg working

then with their all inclusive head count across the board and 5 yr ammo buy up for the fed several years back
that didn't help the situation either

tell ammo manufacturers they can fill huge fed gov orders

and deliver to centralized storage and distro areas in huge lots for the fed and cut out a lot of logistic cost for them distro wise
kinda like bulk one shot deliveries multiple times to the same customer


well then that might answer a lot of things

you devote your raw materials to big gov contracts instead and use easy repetitive logistics cost wise and contract wise for that contract
versus the private sector multiple contract distro system for hundreds of different shippers and retailers across the country

the short term impact of completing a contract like that
devoting raw materials and resources to it get it
compounds the daily sustainment rate of other ammo production being able to keep up and then add in the hoarding shooting and scalping going on daily during that production run for the gov contract
and then have a shortage that perpetuate itself for a long period of time

hence
gun control thru ammo shortage
and it has worked for Obama and the libtards......








the informal gun control thru ammunition was well thought out and planned by cool and the gang in dc.......
they knew what they was doing and what it would cause for sure
would have real interesting to have been a fly on the wall in some discussions concerning all of this when it was being contemplated right after the sandy hook shootings

he needs to hook a brother up with some small game bullet with that connection

You don't believe they are doing it for .22's, the most common rifle and handgun caliber in America, but then go on to discuss how they did it for centerfire ammo.

OK.

I work part time at at a sporting goods store. I can tell you that shipping fees are extremely high and that many older folks are buying lots of 22lr. I can also tell you that there is an algorithm that kicks in to the stacking software of many sporting goods stores. When employees buy most of the 22lr the float or profit margin is lower at that store so they receive less resupply that stores that make a higher profit. Some stores are getting less 22 or than others.

Not related to the OP's question, but I'm gonna tell you guys something that will blow your fuggin' mind.

When you sell something at 50% off, all the time? You won't keep that item in stock. Ever.




Travis

ya
center fire stuff
pistol and rifle
the fed bought in huge numbers for 5 yr order
ammo manufacters diverted raw materials for that stuff to complete contracts
and fugg civ production rates and stuff for awhile


you need to think a little more deep
than the fed hoarding billions of 22 rounds and what the bigger picture is and the intent at the time and how it was played out


look at the bigger picture of how it all snowballed together and how it would affect ammo long term

this part of the problem
scalping employees
we all have heard about it
1st or 2nd hand

the old guys
hoarders/scalpers

they get tired of eating cat food and are supplementing their income with .22 reselling

spagehettios with meatballs tonight man!!!!!!
I sold 5 bulk pack of fed auto match at the flea market today for 30 bucks apiece!!!!!!

Whew...I was wondering who was hoarding all the .280 brass.

ya cant have none can ya?????
if they was extruding brass to make 5.56, 7.62, 9mm,40,45, 50 cal
and what ever else unca suga ordered back then
instead of civilian caliber ammo

you might wanta switch to .270 instead of .280
plenty of that gay cartridge seemed to be around the shelves all the time during the past few years




just saying
hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!

Just curious, to those who think the government is behind this, what reason do you suppose they would have to do this? Would they just store it in a big warehouse somewhere? To what end? I love me a good conspiracy, probably believe more than I should too but this one doesn't make sense to me.

Just curious, to those who think the government is behind this, what reason do you suppose they would have to do this? Would they just store it in a big warehouse somewhere? To what end? I love me a good conspiracy, probably believe more than I should too but this one doesn't make sense to me.

I answered the original question. Yes is the correct answer to the question you asked.

I was at Bass pro today in Colorado Springs and they had a bunch of sleeves of CCI, and about 100 Bricks(300) of CCI (Gator boy) and CCI(AR Tactical.

The guy said they had gotten the largest shipment in two years, even some boxes of bulk 1,600. (Dang!)

Hopefully that means it is getting better.

(Yes, I bought a brick).

The government is definitely behind it, even if that just means scaring idiots to the point that they'll buy ammo from dickheads.

That's what I believe.

1-Mule Deer opined 2015 is when it will get back to normal
So far he is right
2-My source says labor at CCI has been an issue
They were wearing out folks
3-the old days had a year supply in the warehouses
Once it was gone it took years to build it back up