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The United States of America is hemorrhaging red ink & there's no sanctuary.

So what happens when our financial system does collapse? What happens when we can't pay interest on money we owe? What happens when other countries do not want to buy US bonds? What happens when no one wants anything that's denominated in US dollars?

If our budget deficit is really 5 trillion & not 500 billion, we're headin' southbound on an outbound train.

Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth.

Kotlikoff contends, “If you take all the expenditures that the government is expected to make, as projected by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), all the spending on defense, repairing the roads, paying for the Supreme Court Justices’ salaries, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, everything and take all those expenditures into the future . . . and compare that to all the taxes that are projected to come in, and the difference is $210 trillion. That’s the fiscal gap. That’s our true debt.”



Professor Kotlikoff goes on to say, “It will collapse. It is just a matter of when. I can’t say when, but all I can say it’s going to be too late. . . . We are seeing signs of this in the economy, but we are not picking it up that clearly. The macro economy is not doing all that well.” Kotlikoff goes on to say, “I think our financial system is really built to fail because it combines two things which really haven’t been addressed. . . . It combines leverage, borrowing by the financial middlemen and then investing in things that they don’t tell you they are investing in. So, there is opacity and leverage. These are the two major problems for the banking system. What we need to do is get rid of the leverage and get rid of the opacity. We need full disclosure of the investments of our financial institutions.”

BTW, why do neocons always give in when it comes to raising the debt ceiling and bailing out their homeboys with taxpayers' money? Never forget that it was neocon 43's, er, I mean Bush 43's treasury secretary, Hank Paulson, who threatened us with martial law if we didn't pass Bush Homeboys Bailout Bill, better known as TARP.

Great song!
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells

Originally Posted by Higbean
Great song!


"I think you'd better call John, 'cause I don't think they're here to deliver the mail"

China will own this country by then, and it will be their problem.
Favorite Neil Young song. As to the OP's question, I really don't know what's going to happen, have to wait and see
Starting to sow the seeds of discontent and laying the foundation for your usual activities early in this election cycle huh?
Originally Posted by Tracks
Starting to sow the seeds of discontent and laying the foundation for your usual activities early in this election cycle huh?


This


Fark off.

RICK, heres the third one for the cull bin.

Signing on here ONLY to taunt and agitate.
Originally Posted by xxclaro
Favorite Neil Young song. As to the OP's question, I really don't know what's going to happen, have to wait and see


Nothing is going to happen as the whole world is awash in liquidity (cheap money) and debt. It's not just "our problem" as all major economies are living far beyond their means. The printing presses are still oiled and running 24/7. When the music stops we'll just find another band to play.
fugg neil young.
Two reasons:

We don't make ANYTHING here anymore!

Too many folks on the dole!
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Two reasons:

We don't make ANYTHING here anymore!

Too many folks on the dole!


Wondering: Silicon Valley, GM, Ford, Dodge, Boeing, Caterpillar, John Deere, Commodities (as in foods), Timber, Oil and Gas, Coal, Peterbilt, Cummins, Locomotives, Rail Cars, Steel, Gas Turbines, etc., etc., are these all just apparitions?
Oh look, JOHN DAVIS.....


Raisin, rasouli, sansouci, the convicted felon troll is back again. The felon who claims to have been a cop, weapons expert, etc, etc...

The one who also claimed to be a founding member of IPSC, which again is total Bullschitt.

I think raisin quickly forgot that we know his true identity and who his federal probation officer was, is...



Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Oh look, JOHN DAVIS.....


Raisin, rasouli, sansouci, the convicted felon troll is back again. The felon who claims to have been a cop, weapons expert, etc, etc...

The one who also claimed to be a founding member of IPSC, which again is total Bullschitt.

I think raisin quickly forgot that we know his true identity and who his federal probation officer was, is...





sybil is what it is
Originally Posted by ringworm
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells


I will never forgive myself for not seeing them live. One of the best bands ever without a doubt.

Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Oh look, JOHN DAVIS.....


Raisin, rasouli, sansouci, the convicted felon troll is back again. The felon who claims to have been a cop, weapons expert, etc, etc...

The one who also claimed to be a founding member of IPSC, which again is total Bullschitt.

I think raisin quickly forgot that we know his true identity and who his federal probation officer was, is...






Dammmmnmnmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!


That's gonna leave a mark
I think it has already! As in marked man, which in this case appears to be a good thing.
Originally Posted by ringworm
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells


Who's that?
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Two reasons:

We don't make ANYTHING here anymore!

Too many folks on the dole!


Wondering: Silicon Valley, GM, Ford, Dodge, Boeing, Caterpillar, John Deere, Commodities (as in foods), Timber, Oil and Gas, Coal, Peterbilt, Cummins, Locomotives, Rail Cars, Steel, Gas Turbines, etc., etc., are these all just apparitions?


And we produce as much oil as Saudi Arabia...
Originally Posted by xxclaro
Originally Posted by ringworm
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells


Who's that?

Rage against the machine
Originally Posted by Certifiable
Originally Posted by xxclaro
Originally Posted by ringworm
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells


Who's that?

Rage against the machine


Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Two reasons:

We don't make ANYTHING here anymore!

Too many folks on the dole!


Wondering: Silicon Valley, GM, Ford, Dodge, Boeing, Caterpillar, John Deere, Commodities (as in foods), Timber, Oil and Gas, Coal, Peterbilt, Cummins, Locomotives, Rail Cars, Steel, Gas Turbines, etc., etc., are these all just apparitions?


None of the Car companies " make anything" they assemble.
Originally Posted by kingfisher
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Two reasons:

We don't make ANYTHING here anymore!

Too many folks on the dole!


Wondering: Silicon Valley, GM, Ford, Dodge, Boeing, Caterpillar, John Deere, Commodities (as in foods), Timber, Oil and Gas, Coal, Peterbilt, Cummins, Locomotives, Rail Cars, Steel, Gas Turbines, etc., etc., are these all just apparitions?


None of the Car companies " make anything" they assemble.


Thats the problem, all the little companys that made parts for the big manufacturing giants just about all gone. Take a new John deere apart and try to find a bearing, shift knob or gauge made in the US.
Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Oh look, JOHN DAVIS.....


Raisin, rasouli, sansouci, the convicted felon troll is back again. The felon who claims to have been a cop, weapons expert, etc, etc...

The one who also claimed to be a founding member of IPSC, which again is total Bullschitt.

I think raisin quickly forgot that we know his true identity and who his federal probation officer was, is...





Thanks for this, Mac. I must have missed this "outing"...
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