Since it's in vogue and certainly advocated as the "right thing to do" to remove any flags that were or are the symbols of hate, bigotry, racism, slavery, or any other source of "harm" to an ethnic group in the United States, let's just carry this to it's logical end.

The Washington Post blog op-ed targets these seven flags of Southern States. Even the most tenuous connection to the Confederacy will seemingly be enough for these flags to get changed into something less "hurtful".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...n-in-the-flags-of-seven-southern-states/

curdog4570 brought up the Mexicans taking aim at the Lone Star Flag. Yep, that'll be a target as the Texans "stole" that land from Mexico. Figure, too, that the flags of Arizona, New Mexico, and California will be tallied into that attack as well, and why not? It's clear that those flags were used by "racist aggressors" to steal Mexican land, right?

Most certainly the flag of Hawaii must come down. The formerly free kingdom of Hawaii was stolen away by racist and evil men, and that flag represents the oppression of the Hawaiian people. I suspect the flag of Alaska will be considered similarly, as it should.

The flag of Oklahoma, a territory ceded to the Indian Nations and then stolen back from them, is clearly a racist banner; one showing the totems of a once free people who have been subjugated. It must go. The flag of Wyoming may fall under this scrutiny as well, as it symbolizes the buffalo (a sacred animal to the Plains Indians) that was exterminated in a genocide against those people. The flag of South Dakota, claiming Mount Rushmore, must change as that Mount is a desecration of the Black Hills, sacred to the Sioux nation. The flag of Massachusetts, with its depiction of a Native warrior, must be changed as it is clearly racist.

All of the state flags that feature only men, and especially since they only feature white men, must be changed in order to more properly reflect the culture and diversity present throughout the entire history of those states, including their fights for freedom and their fights against racism and bigotry. That would include: Delaware, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

So, consider these flags to be in the crosshairs and ones that probably ought to be pulled down if we're going to start rewriting history in order to be PC. I am certain that many of the others will also need further examination into their true history and "cultural meaning".

But, if we're REALLY going to do something about banners that hold a legacy and a history of racism, aggression, hate, and all manner of "evil deeds and thoughts", then there is one in particular that must be taken down, banished forever, and replaced with something more benign. Under this banner (or very slight variants thereof), those Mexican lands were stolen. Under this banner, slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, and all the other ills that befell blacks were legal. Under this banner, the Trail of Tears happened. Under this banner, the largest genocide in human history occurred. Under this banner, innocent Asian citizens were sent to "internment camps" and had their lives, livelihoods, and property stolen away. Under this banner, every racial, ethnic, gender-based, and all other discriminatory law, rule, regulation, and program in American history took place.



We cannot overlook the history of that flag any more than we can overlook the history of any other. If one flag must be removed because of the associated history or use, then so too must all the others.

THIS is the logical progression and end of what we are seeing. It cannot be any other.

We all need to realize this, to make this known to those around us and especially those reprehensible beings known as politicians that are supposed to represent us. The end game is clear. Act accordingly.

That is coming as well. There were several academics (all Blacks) intimating the Stars and Stripes were as bad as the Stars and Bars. Right now and as always, they are taking this one step at a time. Presently they are focusing on the South as a culture and way of life.

It's been that way since the 1830s, and all from the same places (Puritanical Northeastern pseudo-intellectuals and would-be aristocracy).

In the thread to which 4Ager refers, Mannlcher states that we are as close to Civil War as we have ever been. This topic illustrates the point as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...in-the-battle-over-the-confederate-flag/

Any Southern history with any ties at all to the Confederacy (including statutes, road names, etc.) is now being equated to Nazi Germany.

So they are allowing the nut job to get the race war he wants. Congrats?

I'm telling you, it's coming and taking on steam..

Good piece Sean.

Perhaps consider submitting it to other outlets.

He wasn't/isn't the only one who wants/wanted it. He just didn't have the power to set it off. There are plenty of people in powerful positions that have wanted this for a long time; he just gave them the excuse.

It would never be published.

And it should be

There's always one idiot trolling.

Yeah, there is that detail!

Rush is talking on this very subject right now, as an assault on the South and it's way of life..

Agree. Said this since Nov. 2008.

I think we should just make being white illegal.

The Balkanization of America marches on.

OK with me. Never trusted those albinos. I'm beige.

Of course, the MSM is making sure to paint anyone who disagrees with the ban on the Confederate battle flag as a "white supremacist" and possible domestic terrorist.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/co...derate-flag-ban-backlash-bubbles-n380246

They are trying to change this country from a
Melting Pot" to a "salad bowl" of hyphenated Americans (not my words, but they ring true).

f-u-c-k those people, my kids are grown.....

Alabama just caved in this morning, and the South Carolina legislature just voted to consider debate on removing the flag from the memorials in South Carolina.

http://www.wmur.com/national/confederate-flag-removed-from-alabama-capitol/33748436

dont be so sure SC will fold

To remove that flag specifically will take a super majority vote. To repeal the Heritage Act which specifies the super majority rule, all that is required is a simple majority vote.

Well, sure took the heat off Jade Helm.

Didn't it?

Next week it will be something else.

Yep, and "fast track trade authority", and all the Hitlery Klinton scandals, and ISIS, and everything else.

Yup!

Apply for minority status and adopt it as our logo.

Are any of you guys stupid enough to think this anything to do with slavery? It's just like banning certain types of guns.

There is clearly one idiot trolling this thread that would like to believe so, or like us to believe that he thinks that.

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http://www.united-states-flag.com/cociwar.html


They are still selling here, and when the one in South Carolina comes down, mine will go up. Those men from the South who fought and died in the Civil War deserve as much respect as any of the blacks of today. That's just how I feel about it. You have to stand your ground about something, or they'll just keep pushing. They've got my Irish up now !!!

Gonna fly the actual Battle Flag, thought the fifty dollars was well spent :):):)


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Dude on the left must have thought it was gay pride march.

He looks like a stellar citizen to me.


Im just guessing but I'll bet theres a run on Confederate flags bigger than a run on Spanish cucumbers at a convent right after a Cervantes mash note is passed around.

as I just stated in the thread I posted on obama's new rules for negotiating with, and bank rolling terrorists.

If they are taking down flags because they do not portray a good image about the country or history then they must remove all the foreign flags as well. Even the Mexican flag does not display or stand for good.

Flea markets always have plenty of flags but I have a feeling we ain't seen nothing yet.

Remember the Alamo

I would truly love to see how this plays out in the south....

The politicians will be politicians and the people will say [bleep] them.

Im just anxious to see all the rednecks don their confederate flags etc. in defiance and protest, and see how the leftists and recipient community react....

I live and work in the deep South (GA & North Fla), so I'll report back!

The leftists pushing this schit aren't in the South, by and large, and the recipient community don't care as long as the check arrives on the first of the month.

Fruitcake.

Sean...I wish it were that simple...



Oh, wait.........it is.......

You and others can call me what you will, but that flag is still being lowered and banished as a relict of history as it should have been done more han 150 years ago.You've lost this one. Remember that the sophistication of your response to me is a reflection on the flag you endear.

When the dust settles the Blacks will still be black, and pissed off that they are not white. There is no appeasing them. They will continue to blame the whites for their blackness. "Hey Sambo what make yo big head so hard", blame yo ancestors.

This is all part of the Socialist Obamaites meme of sowing discord far and wide. Anything they can do to weaken America is the goal.

These people will not be happy until there is a race based civil war.

havent lost sh1t blackunter
Foujd on a commie website:
The American flag is the flag that brought Black people to this country in chains, buying and selling them as slaves. Many of those 13 stripes on the flag stand for slave states. And where did those stars come from? Many of them represent states stolen from Mexico in an unprovoked, unjust war of conquest to extend the U.S. empire, and within that the slave states in the South.
This is the flag carried into battle by the U.S. Cavalry as it carried out genocide against the Native Americans, murdering, burning and pillaging a bloody trail across the country. This is the flag that invaded and conquer

The current American Flag was adopted in 1959.
Slavery and Indian massacres were well over by then.

As is the sophistication of Detroit a reflection on yours.

And Blackhunter will still be the same azzhole he has been since I have been seeing him on here. miles

because we have more states sure, same basic design though, same name

Course they've failed to factor in those backwards rednecks clinging to their guns and their God will likely fare better than those sitting in their azz waiting for well fare checks in such a war.

I don't ever see such a war. Ive said many times a conflict like that would take planning, strategy, effort and commitment.
Look who we are talking about here......not gonna happen.

I don't see a war either, but I'm beginning to notice a fairly sharp backlash to all of the PC crap and it's coming from the young people.

Excellent post Sean. This nation has been divided by a
Pro-ISIS Muslim Extremist President.

Be vigilant or be be conquered by the same.

Typical leftist, knee-jerk emotion. Why are we paying attention to this dog and pony show instead of looking at and asking questions about the real failures?


I want to know what prescription drug the little schitt was on. All theses mass murders have a common thread........and it's not the gun.




Allen West Republic.com

It's a shame that young people don't matter until they grow up.

Come on home my friend, we'll enjoy the festivities!

BYOA

Love to.....

How can you justify the removal of the flag due to the actions of one deranged individual? How is it the flag's fault, regardless of what you think it stands for? Furthermore, if the flag is responsible for this, how is the US flag not, since it flew over more slave states for a longer period of time, than the Confederate flag did? If you are for holding the Confederate flag responsible for the Charleston Massacre, how can you not hold the gun the shooter used, or guns in general, responsible? How can it be cool to display the Mexican flag, which presided over the massacres at Goliad and Bexar?

Because revisionary history and liberal media

Sherp, is that you?



Sycamore

Either we have freedom of speech or we don't. If we have it, both popular and unpopular, sacred and profane, beautiful and disgusting thoughts will be expressed.

Having freedom of speech is better than not having it.

The current contrived outrage over the Confederate flag should be no surprise after decades of politicians trying to teach us to use our government to get redress for imagined victimization. For pity's sake, the last legal slave owner and the last legal slave in the country have both been in the ground for a long time.

If we want to succeed as a country, we really ought to stop the social crusades to impose correctness on people we don't agree with.

Well said, Denton.

Well said.

As usual.

bingo

I motion we close this thread with Denton's comment.

Yankees have never loved freedom. This country is headed for a modern version of 1650 Massachusetts. Just replace God's government and kingdom on earth with a government of social justice and political correctness creating perfect harmony and banishing evil.

That is where we are headed.

What was I saying about the Massachusetts state flag?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ry.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed#

Some of y'all thought I was making this schit up or that it wasn't going to happen.

Think again.

as you well know Denton, we don't have 'freedom of speech' anymore. Heck, we don't even need to use politicians to redress our grievances. All it takes is a Twitter campaign, and a Facebook page. The MSM is America's Court now, and America's legislature. Evidently, America has lost the desire to succeed as a Country.

Massachusetts has a pretty cool flag but nothing will stand in the way of PC.

Our country was founded upon the principles of liberty. If the national memory of the founding of the nation can be erased, it makes it that much easier to remove personal liberty.

Ernie

WINNER..

Have not been there in at least 50 years - have no interest in the city. Extraordinary leap of logic Best regards.

Blackhunter,

Your trolling for attention is rather comical.

Do you fly the Star & Stripes, or support it being flown? If so, you're flying a flag that flew over the largest genocide in history, the flag that flew officially over a slave nation for 85 years, a flag that flew over internment camps for innocent civilian citizens of the United States in the 1940s, a flag that flew officially over the Jim Crow and segregation eras, a flag that built railroads and roads on the backs and bodies of Irish and Chinese slave labor (Irish were the first slaves owned in the U.S., and those in New England colonies), and much more.

Do you fly, or support the flying, of most of the state flags? If so, see the first post on this topic and the recent article in Massachusetts, for evidence as to how those flags symbolize oppression.

Do you own firearms or support such ownership? If so, you are owning or supporting the ownership of objects that have caused harm to many - though used by people with evil intent - and therefore their continued ownership is continuing the legacy of woe to the victims and their families.

Seeing how this goes, yet?

Then again, you could quite easily take a look at the First Amendment of the United States Constitution and realize that people have a Constitutionally protected freedom of speech that includes displaying of symbols. You could also realize that the War of Northern Aggression was not entirely, and in fact perhaps not even majority, about slavery and that slavery existed in the North as well (continuing into the 1870s, in fact).

My comments have been limited to the battle flag and they are quite clear. I stand by them.

What I find interesting is that the most brilliant strategic and tactical move by the Republican Party in leading the call for the removal of the flag is the source of so much angst.

I fully understand as rather eloquently and sincerely stated by several members here (Mannicher and Seafire come to mind immediately) that the flag is a source of pride and a connection to their ancestrial past. Unfortunately, that flag has been perverted and used as a graphic symbol of defiance to the equal rights of millions of people often by state sanctioned means to include intimidaion and looking the other way as citizens were beaten when peacefully exercising the right to protest while seeking the rights of full citizenship. Consequently, the ugliness of the usage of that flag has come to take on a meaning quite different than that expressed by the members mentioned earlier. The real issue is the duality of the flag - a source of geniune heart felt pride to many and the symbol of a hateful past and present that impedes our collective progress. The removal of the flag does not to my mind deny anyone their right to free speech - display it as you will. Does the removal of the flag fix all of our issues - by no means does it do that but it is a huge step forward.

Reasonable men can disagree and it is obvious that we do but the tide on this issue has turned. Alabama took down the flags yesterday. Time will tell what the other states will do but the combination of economic might and public opinion will weigh heavily in the decision making. I am pretty certain you will not like my response - that is ok. I understand that we are on different sides of this issue - 50 years ago or even 15 years ago this issue was heavily weighted to your view point - times change. I hold no personal animus to you or those that defend the flag but I stand by my opinion that I am equally right to hold and express as you are yours. Best regards.

if the flags come down, do the monuments they fly next to come down as well?

But, you see, we're not really defending a flag. We are defending our rights. We have a right to speak freely. You have no right to not be offended.

the libs have the rhinos scared sh*tless

Jorge and Bristoe agreeing, who'da thunk!

Sycamore

As a matter of fact, at least for me, I agree with quite a few of his beliefs, except of course when he steps into the realm of kookdom

Speak freely.

The flag(s) in Alabama were removed by a republican governor by executive order. In South Carolina and Mississippi the flags must be removed by a legislative process. I encourage you to engage politicians and exercise your right to offer input to the political proceeses as approriate to where you live (or don't for that matter). Should the results of your efforts not be the outcome you want then our system offers any manner of means for legal redress. Feel free to pusue them as you wish. This is no small liberty we have in our system as the means of legal redress has been used successfully to correct the denial of rights often.

If the removal of the flag from a position of prominent public display represents a diminished (real or imagined) freedom of speech to you - then by all means feel free to speak out and express your viewpoint. You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. Best regards.

Are you really dumb enough to think this about a piece of cloth? It's an attack on the last bastion of conservatism. If you GAF about this country you better wake up.

The libs just did an emotional end run around the 1st amendment, and folks here are latched on.

Suckle up to the teat, boys.

It's won't be the only Amendment to receive the treatment, and it appears its a working modality now.

Where's the limpdick from PA to tell us all about compromise?

Not that he hasn't got a lot of support it appears.